/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

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>>165260853
Why Sif looks so autistic?

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>>165261150
>sif

>>165261234
Sorry, I meant Sen. My retardation is striking hard today.

No Man's Wharf is bullshit

>tfw whips are bad
>a refined whip gives the same AR as a sharp whip for twice the investment

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>>165261309
>Sen
>My retardation is striking hard today.
Yes.

>>165261309
What? Don't you mean Old Man McLoyf?

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>>165261309

>sen

>tfw no high heel leggings

>>165261424
>sharp whip
How bad? I want to try out whips but if it's as bad as you say it can't be because of ar right?

>>165261425
>>165261461
>>165261473

What are you implying? He IS Sen.

>>165261554
here we go again

>>165261554
Okay, Vaati.

>>165261554
You mean Flann, cunt.

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>>165260853

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>>165261473
Hey, Vilhelm can be pretty cute!

>Brush up to shielded lothric knight
>does nothing
>brush up to him for a few more seconds
>literally does nothing
>ok, guess I could kick
>as I wind up the kick the lothric knight whips out his super quick combo attack
FUCK

Fighting shielded enemies is literally the worst it has been in any game so far in DS3. They made them read inputs or something I swear.

Ontop of that you can't shield-stunlock them anymore so if you try to 2h bang their shield away they'll let you hit them once and then they'll counterattack immediately.

>>165261309
he's upset he can't eat
>>165261612
>>165261584
sen's was proving grounds for people wanting to become silver knights, the knights of gwyn oversaw the silver knights and who oversaw the 4 knights? also, his room in anor londo has a portrait of sen's fortress and there's a spot on the wall where a portrait was clearly ripped out

>>165261652
Flann is Gwynevere's husband you idiot. First born was called Faraam after he left Lordran.

>>165261893
>incest wasn't common in royal families

Ok, kid.

>>165261867
There's a very specific frame to counter attack. I learnt it the bad way. But the straight sword guard break works wonders with this, and dodge to the left.

>>165261893
We're not talking about Faraam, we're talking about Nahr Alma.

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>>165261736
>used and tossed away like garbage
>has to stand guard while listening to friede's masochistic moans while being whipped by ariandel
>vilhem will never have a chance at friede

>>165262012
Yeah man Gwynevere would flee Anor Londo to marry her expelled brother that for some reason would become a god of flame. Good one Vaati.

>>165262012
>Lightning Dragon Fucker
>Being known as a Flame God
???

>>165262049
NO, we are talking about SEN aka Faraam.

>>165262214
>look mom i did it again :^)
Fuck off, we're talking about Lloyd.

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>>165261736

>>165262336
Sir, I'll ask you to leave this general right now.

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>>165262069
>has to stand guard while listening to friede's masochistic moans while being whipped by ariandel

Damn now I want to see this. Poor Vilhelm...

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>>165262425
Do you can't make me leave. Do you have any idea how many more Gods I've got to go through?

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>invade in undead settlement
>fags run right past me
>chase them down, they're going straight for the fog gate
>host goes in but his phantom can't because boss has not been aggrod yet
>kill his phantom infront of the boss fog while he can't go in
>spam point down infront of the boss fog so he just sees me do that
>Connection Error occured.

>>165262596
I DON'T CARE LEAVE NOW

>>165262390
Oh nice I didn't have that one!

>>165261736
>>165262390
>Seath has no eyes
>niggers draw him with eyes

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>>165262682
CAITHA
ORNSTEIN
GALIB
VELKA
I'M GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE P A N T H E O N

FP was a mistake.

>>165261424
The way DS3's infusions work there is only one ideal physical infusion for every weapon. All the other infusions just let you recoup some lost damage for using the weapon on stats that do not fit the weapon.

>>165262671
heh I can imagine the guy yelling at the screen in horror.

>>165262824
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

What's the consensus on the witch whip? I'm thinking of using it for my tanky pyro.

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>>165262837
FP and charges is like a difference between sorcerer and wizard.
For people with more optimized spell setups FP is a vastly more optimal option.
For people who just want to attune everything charge system is better.

Personally i think that BB's bullet system was better than FP, but FP is much better than charges.

>>165262837
Attunement was a mistake

>Want to make a Darkmoon themed character
>Darkmoon Bow is useless
Also what would be some appropriate miracles other than Darkmoon Blade?

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>>165263296
Catalysts are a mistake

>>165263353
>tfw greatly miss wands from DeS

>>165263332
I don't think Darkmoon Bow even has a special darkmoon magic effect for its WA, it's such a disgrace.

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Used an effigy and then got invaded by some laggy prick with a washing pole who just killed me without even touching me.

>>165262902
there will always be only one ideal infusion, that's something impossible to avoid in any system where you pick one of several mutually exclusive things (unless you make all the options identical mechanically)

the entire system is a mistake, bring back ds1 forging where at least the choices felt unique even if +15 or chaos are the way to go for 90% of weapons/builds

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>>165263332
>making a darkmoon in a game that takes a huge dump on darkmoons
Make a quality/int build with GSoJ and pretend that you're a servant of moon and not an evil sorcerer.

>>165263617
I don't think I'd actually even bother trying to get Darkmoon summons. I'd just use it in the arena.

I did actually want to make a Sulyvahn cosplay build as well. I've got a fucking billion ideas for characters I want to make and this shitty 10 character limit is hurting me. Save swapping is possible but it feels a little long winded.

>>165263021
Seriously, do you guys like it?

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What spells do you think we are going to get in the second dlc ?

>>165263617
The game takes a dump on Darkmoons, it's true, but only if you're playing as one. Every time I have swapped to Way of Blue after being invaded a Darkmoon has been summoned shortly after, so the system isn't completely broken from that end. I don't know why it takes so long to be summoned when you're the one queued, I guess there's too many Darkmoons/Blue Sentinels and too few invaders.

>>165262824
Despite her weird appearance Yorshka is pretty cute, would cuddle/10

>>165263556
It would be fine if Heavy and Sharp just swapped scaling instead of changing it by a lower %.

Should be:
Refined Claymore on X/X = Sharp Claymore on (X-N)/(X+N) = Heavy Claymore on (X+N)/(X-N).

Same damage for same level investments.

Instead, going with whatever infusion matches the existing scaling will always give you the highest AR for your level investment, and the other two are just a way to recoup some lost damage if your stats don't match the scaling distribution.

DS2's different elemental infusions worked like that. All 4 elements would do the same damage for the same level investment, it just moved the scaling around. Not sure why DS3 had to fuck it up again.

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Patch when?

>>165263938
It's not a bad weapon, but it has the issue that its bread and butter attack is the WA, and for that you need to be either two handing or with a WA shield out, which prevents you from using pyromancy, so when you get pressured by an opponent and want to pull out the pyro glove for that Black Flame they will notice and back away.

You will destroy noobs that don't know how to roll the WA correctly, though.

>>165263959
who cares theyre all going to be dump

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First time I tried to kill Dancer with Dark Hand on SL30. Went better than expected.

>>165263991
>Takes a dump on Darkmoons
On most online PvP interactions aside from sunbros desu

>>165263108
I liked BB's system if only because it allowed for far more casts than any of the other methods in the other games without needing grinding or huge amounts of items. It never really felt like you were taking on a heavy restriction that melee didn't have just for wanting to use magic.

Also, I forgot how ridiculous the Parasite's explosive blast was.
So deadly it even kills the framerate, too. Heh.

I dragged out my old PS3 to do another DeS run, but to my dismay found that miracle variety is fucking ass (I wanted to play a fun, smiting paladin).

What should I play instead? I was thinking maybe royalty/magician, with Kris blade.

>>165264406
casuals don't like competition, but they do like to praise le sun meme, thus namco and/or from made online worse and worse from ds1's potential system instead of better

>>165264473
Magic is boring in DeS because absolutely demolish anything in your way.

>>165264383
>Black eye balls instead of gaping eye sockets
Not a fan desu

>>165264383
Hollow form in ds3 is fucking awful

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Should i level up pass 150 in ds2?

>>165264494
Casuals like game experience. They want to sit back and play a game start to finish and never feel like they wasted their money. DS1 and DS2 were honestly better game experiences played offline because of how bad the pvp in DS is.

That's why games like smash bros or CoD or Overwatch are so popular, it's all the game experience of a "fighting" game but with none of the negative consequences. A lot of companies use team or battle royale gameplay to make individuals feel less "cheated" when they lose. This leads to longer server activity and more sales.

>>165264524
In my heart, I know this... I really got the PS3 out to play DS1 as a strength/faith build, but I can't find my physical copy and psn doesn't sell it digitally

>>165264739
SL doesn't matter
What matters is SM

>>165264739
there is no meta level in ds2, its all based on sm
which if i remember correctly is around 2mil
if youre decent and dont lose your bloodstain often you should be around sl200

>>165264753
I especially love those webms of Friede getting stunlocked

even casuals can complete the game!

>>165264473
As well know fact royalty it's one the easier starting class in DeS. But the starring class it's not that important, Evey build I've made ended in mix of everything, with a slightly preference for certain stat.

>>165264772
I just checked the PS store for my region, why the fuck you can buy DeS and every single DaS with the exception of DaS1? Fucking kikes.

>>165264739
Yes, depending on your soul memory.

9m soul memory is the soft cap for 'fun' PvP.

20m soul memory is the hard cap. Beyond that your red sign and cracked orbs are going to hit level 400+ shitters.


150SL DS2 = 80 SL DS1..
SL150 is about 2-3m soul memory, and that's active low level PvP.

The reason DS2 soul levels are so much higher is because they added additional stats and softcaps, and made it important to level most stats, plus made it easier to level up. 150 is about the minimum SL you need to have a well-rounded build (1 scaling stat, max health, decent stamina and weight, decent agility, first softcaps for elemental defenses.)

>Get invaded
>Use estus ring while embered
>One of my 10 estus flasks nearly brings me up to full

I'm not even using phantoms, and this still feels like invader bullying.

>>165264753
> DS1 and DS2 were honestly better game experiences played offline because of how bad the pvp in DS is.

that's subjective

also, all of this flies in the face of the LE HARDEST GAME EVER marketing and ds2 being full of random dick moves

ds1 pvp would be goat with a couple tweaks, specifically make darkmoons actually work and just take gear into account when connecting players to defeat twinks more than "beat this end game boss at a very low level" already does

>>165263959
So the next DLC could end up being an 11/10 and fix a shitton of problems, or it could be a huge letdown and not do much of anything.
It's probably best to not get hopes up at all, since having no expectations can only mean that you anticipated what happens or you're pleasantly surprised.
I mean, it would be nice to see some new magic that has an effective use, but I'd rather not hope for something that ends up not being there.

>>165265015
I've never understood mundane. It's still as over powered or was merged.

>get fanmail from Boss Invasions
feels great man

>>165264973
I know, soul arrow is dumb for early game, so I'd probably go with magician, but like the other anon said, magic is a bit boring in DeS... Ah well, another quality build is in order I suppose.

>Think about playing DaS2
>Remember that every weapon feels and sounds like they're made of styrofoam
>Remember the terrible visuals, smeary textures, and poor enemy design

>>165264981
Most crushingly, you can buy Artorias of the Abyss but not DaS1

Crossbows are so good. Is this the best crossbows have ever been?

>>165265321
Fuck, I desperately want to give this a go but I don't know what boss I'd do. I only have one invasion character and that's in the Catacombs, but given that Wolnir's boss fight teleports you I don't know how it'd treat the glitch.

>>165265501
Remembering the Fashion Souls opportunities and build diversity makes me want to play it again. But then I remember the horrible, horrible feel of the animations and combat (like the stagger animations, how can they be so bad?), and stop.

I bet the arenas are full of Haveljesters spinning around in circles, too.

How to solve DS3's invasion problem:

1. If you are summoned for Co-op, only fight mobs or bosses. Stand by and do nothing if your host is invaded.

2. If you are a host, ALWAYS use dried fingers after you are invaded. Do not summon phantoms. If you don't have dried fingers, use a red eye orb.

3. If you are an invader, always leave if they have more than one phantom, or if the phantoms try to attack you, unless you actually want to fight a gank squad.

This will maximize the number of 1-on-1 Host vs Invader encounters.

>>165265735
Nameless King on a SL120 character works great
Avoid Pontiff/Aldrich

>>165265847
invasions =/= 1v1 duels

>>165265847
>1-vs-1 invasions
Go to arena.

>>165265294
I wouldn't be surprised if the original plan was that the Arandiel and the other DLC was supposed to be a single one with ties and hollow themed,

>>165263108
never played BB, but webms like this make me hope for a pus of man item (like the dragon stones) for the player to become a monstrosity

>>165266028
>(like the dragon stones)
So it'll be shit.

>>165265847
>Wanting more 1v1's
God no

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Is it just me, or is mound-maker better than all the other invasion covenants?

Fucking dancer is annoying as fuck, is the grab attack always a one hit kill, or am I just too squishy?

>>165266293
youre just a tubby babby with no hp

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How to solve Dark Souls 3's invasion problem

>Phantoms can't be resummoned without resetting the world (sitting at a bonfire)
>Invader gets 2 Estus from each Phantom killed instead of 1.

It would be simple, and it would work.

Cute picture not related.

WHAT IF
>Summoner Limit reduced to 1 Summon + Dorkmoon Phantom
>Dried Fingers increases this to two but enables up to 3 invaders to spawn in
>Can't use seed with a friendly phantom

>>165266092
the not twinkling dragon torso stone is pretty good, casts force and gives a buff. Don't know why the twinkling stones have such a long startup time though

>>165263959
Returning ds2 spells like Heavenly Thunder/Lingering Flame or at least a ton of them that works in their own gimmicks/fixes the magic school's problems. Instead we'll get garbage like Frost Weapon and Boomerang

>>165266370
Well, yeah, I have no points in vigor.

>>165266227
I don't like how you can be sent home from only killing phantoms, sometimes I want to kill them all, and it's not like I care for the invasion rewards very much.

>>165266375
Best suggestion

>>165265759
Ds2 allowed my favorite fashion and cosplay builds, but I couldn't bare to look at that goofy shit again

>>165266458
>Lingering Flame
I MISS IT

I miss GFWL fanmail

>>165266506

Since I invade into ganks constantly, just having to kill one or two phantoms and being able to leave without having to put up with all that bullshit is good for me.

I like to go in, and leave as quickly as possible.

Can reds do the glitch too? last knight I was invaded by a red in Anor Londo without any message that he was there.

>>165266619
Enable comments on your Steam page and you'll still get some occasionally.

>>165266654
Reds that do it can't harm the host IIRC

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Being forced to wear 2 rings for magic to be able to do significant damage was a mistake

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>>165266619
>not being a bad enough dude to get fanmail anyway

>>165266832
You only need one tho.

>>165266148
Stopped reading when they likened "shadowy limb" to some bloodborne boss.

Literally what manus is themed after. A dark hand. A shadowy limb. It's even what fucking grabs you. IT'S MANUS.

Fuck I'm mad now, fuck you stupid fanfic faggots

>>165266227
It's objectively the worst because you get kicked out as soon as someone is killed. The majority of invasions will have you kill a pair of phantoms and then get ejected whilst the host waves at you.

>>165266948
>people using this ugly default skin for steam
why?

is dark souls 3 pvp any better now?

where do people pvp? aside from arena

>>165267052
You see the same shadowy limb pull your character into the dlc area.

AND IT IS MANUS' So that completely devalues that shit.

>>165266948

You're both faggots

>New ranks for Covenants
>Achievements unchanged
>DaS and DaS2 armoursets and rings added in as cosmetic rewards based off of popular PvP builds
>New rank rewards such as Jester's Set for Mound Makers for 50 items
>Changed Phantom Auras for 100 items
>150 items gives you Dark Blue magic for Darkmoons, Purple Magic (Crystal Sage) for Dogs, Pure White Lightning for Sunbros, Purple flames for Mound Makers and so on

>>165266832
Pyro and sorcerer builds in ds3 are able to wield some of the most powerful greatswords in the game, if they weren't forced to have at least some downsides for being able to also shit out 1000+ HP nukes and kite the everliving fuck out of people with fire surge or farron darts, they would be unbalanced as hell.

the saddest part of Sif's fight is my fucking framerate

>>165265315
Mundane used to be OP. Now it's pointless.

Fair scaling for mundane is about 140, which is lowest stat = 15. That's about the same as 40 in one stat.

So if your lowest stat is 15:
Mundane Adds:
>140 Damage (200 if lowest stat is 30, 170 if lowest stat is 20).
Mundane Removes:
>half your base damage
>about half your scaling

So if total (AR + Scaling) < 280, then Mundane is worth it at 15 lowest stat.

However, Raw adds 15% more base damage and removes scaling, so if the scaling is low enough, it's better to remove it entirely and just use Raw instead.

So the only weapons really worth doing mundane for are ones with scaling potential that exceeds ~30% of the base AR, but when scaled up are still below 280 in total damage, including base AR.

So basically only daggers, crossbows, or upgraded weapons, right? Except they nerfed daggers and crossbows and low AR weapons so that they lose 85% of their damage (crossbows) and 75% of their damage (daggers). This makes the thresholds so low that raw is pretty much always better.

Claws and fists weapons I think are the only weapon class that mundane is viable for at full upgrade. I think that 15/15 mundane claws will get you ~225 AR and normal claws at 40 dex will get you ~218 AR, but you lose out on bleed.

Example: 40/40 bone fist is 223 AR, 20/20 mundane bone fist is 250 AR, assuming your other stats are also >20.

So yeah, to save yourself the math, if the weapon can do 280 damage with your lowest stat as 15 (or 340 on 20, 400 on 40, etc.) then do neither.
If it's lower than those, AND the weapon's total addition from scaling is >30% of the total damage, then Mundane might be better, if the AR is low enough.
If not, then mundane is worse than raw.

>Creighton shows up in III
>No Maldron

I feel betrayed

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I guess time is convoluted.

>>165267783
That's really useful, thanks.

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>>165267419
Christ, anon, don't make me fantasise like this.
>No red eyes ring

What level should you even fight the dancer?

>>165268136
any level is fine as long as you have carthus rouge bandit knife
same goes for gundyr and oceiros

>>165267924
blame consoles that can't handle draw distance for shit
souls games also have a shitty tradition of rendering distant mobs at shit FPS

>>165268136
about the same level you were at Vordt

get the dark hand

>>165267524
If i wanted to wield any cocksucking greatswords i would make a quality build instead.

>>165268207
carthus rouge knife is old and busted
dark hand rapes her much faster and safer

best level for invading swamp+cathedral is 30+2 right? or 40+4?

>>165266784

But I fought fought him

>>165268136
If you have twenty something vigor and can hold at least +6 weapon . It shouldn't be that hard, the timing took me a while to figure it out but once you learn how to roll and keep you distance while the sword dance, you are golden.

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>>165268278
>he doesn't want to be a battlemage
shit taste

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>Invading as a madman
>Level 50
>Kill both phantoms
>No bone?
>ONE OF THE PHANTOMS DROPS FOUR HUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE THOUSAND SOULS
Did I just get heckin HACKED?

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>>165266832
>2 dmg rings
>1 speed ring
>shit fashion to max out dmg
>so much investment and still do the same damage as a quality build
It feels unnatural that I haven't touched my sorcery or miracle builds.

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>>165268386

30/+3-35/+4.

>>165268273
Holy shit, dark hand rapes her.

I almost feel bad for her, she is lovely.

>>165268663

She doesn't like fisting

>>165266148

>Look at all these similarities! Clearly Bloodborne is just Dark Souls in the future!

No, Miyazaki just recycles ideas ALL the time.

>>165267783
Here's a better way to put it:

1. Is the additional damage from scaling lower than 15% of the base AR?
>Yes: Always go Raw
2. If not, is base AR over 280? (340 for min = 20, 400 for min = 30)
>Yes: Always go Uninfused
3. If not:
>Mundane if you already have other stats at 15/20/30 and enemy has very high (400+) dark resistance
4. Otherwise, dark infusion with dark weapon on the same stats.

>>165269073
>>165267979

If I kill the three Latria bosses without dying in body form, will the level tendency be pure white?

>>165264739
arena is either sl 150 or 200, i'd say stay on 150

>>165269217
Yes

>>165269217
Yes, that's how World Tendency works. You kill yourself in the nexus after every boss fight to ensure you're in soul form, so after killing the Arch Demon you're at PWWT and able to hit all of the events in the cleared archstone. Once you're done you farm plague babies for stones and then kill yourself in body form half a dozen times to get PBWT, do the black events, and then farm that FUKKEN BLADESTONE.

>>165269217
Yes.

>>165268353
I tumblebuffed dark hand with human pine. 380AR and almost 300 damage per hit to dancer. That made me a little sad.

>>165269443
what the fuck is tumblebuffing?

>>165268559
He was just a very high level and got downscaled.

>>165268595

>have to use a tiara and a wield a dildo in one hand

meme chink man was a mistake

>>165269360
I was never able to see the damn blade stone, literally said what's the point, and started with another thing.

>>165268545
>Useless no range attack.
>Sword attacks.
>Attack so slow it's useless even in PvE.
>Playing as a guy with colorful swords and calling it "battlemage"
The one with shit taste here is you.

god damn it, She keeps grabbing me when I am moving behind her to shove my dark hand in her lovely behind.

>people unironically abusing bugs and telling others to "git gud"
how delusional

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>>165268595
Miracles work just fine for me, but I don't think 18 splashed Fai/Att counts

>>165269660
Glitch allowing you to buff unbuffable weapons or dupe items.
>equip something that you cannot use resin on on right hand
>chime/talisman in left hand, attune a miracle (usually heal aid beacause any class use it)
>equip a resin on a bar
>use resin, you'll get "no, can't do animation"
>immediately cast the miracle
>switch to estus when miracle is casting and spam the use of it
You just put a fire resin on moonlight greatsword
Item dupes are a bit different
>miracle setup is the same, other hand doesn't matter tho
>use an item from your inventory like a boss soul or regular one
>you have to cancel the animation using it, the easiest is by just falling down (easily done in firelink)
>drop the soul/item from your inventory
>cast the miracle
>spam estus
>pick up the soul afterwards
Voila, you just duped 50000 souls and can't do it infinitely.

>>165270381
can do it infinitely*
Oh yeah and also you can ember yourself in invasions with the weapon method

>>165270151
Leave the game for a while and you come back you are gonna realize you are rolling right in the grab attack. It happened to me it was a case of being obfuscated.

>>165269795
Get good.

Tips agaisnt Ornstein and Smough?

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>can't find the first tombstone in Carthus
>don't want to look it up in a guide

I've gone through the part before the first giant ball like three times

>>165271328
Abuse the pillars.

>>165271328
great chaos fireball gg ez

>>165271328
git gud

>>165271330
It is inside the ball

>>165271330
>first tombstone
what?

>>165271328
Bleed, seems to work. I used to have the notion that super ornstein is harder but right now I find super smough more difficult. Summoning Solaire it's a bit difficult but he actually helps.
Avoid being stunlocked, roll. and only block when extremely needed.

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does adjudicator only have one attack?

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>want to be forever with the firekeeper, together in the darkness
>want to be with Yuria too and get her stuff but don't want to kill her

The hardest choice

>>165271596

bonfire

>>165271330
Did you fall off the left side of the first bridge? It's hidden behind an illusory wall.

>>165271545
That's either an Estus Shard or a gem.

>>165271830
Kinda if you stay in the upper part the tongue migh actually t kill you, of you are not careful.

>>165271830
If you're on the ground, yeah. And don't try to block that shit either.

If you stay above, you get hit with the tongue I think

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>From Software will never make a Souls like Castlevania, with classical mythologic bestiary and dope af music during the entire level and not only boss fights

Just kill me now senpai

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>>165271891
The thing that bothers me most about this picture is that the Fire Keeper doesn't have huge tits like that, she's moderate sized at best.

It's Emerald Herald that's the one with the big rack.

>>165271328
Like others say, abuse the pillars. Stay on the edges of the room and just backpedal the whole time. Ornstein can follow you around but Smough can't turn and move at the same time, so he'll just bumble around the middle, this lets you fight ornstein 1 on 1. Kill him, then smough.

If you want ornstein's weapon, then you have to kill smough first. Best way to do this is to do the above strategy by shoot a crossbow at smough as you run around instead of attacking ornstein.

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I really like the firekeeper robes but dislike the gauntlets (fuck exposed fingers) and most gauntlets don't go really good with the robes because they're short and leave most of the arms exposed

The same shit happens with the abysswatcher chest, the only gauntlets I can use with both without looking retarded are the abysswatcher gauntlets since they cover most of the arms

Why is it so hard to fashion in DS3 fuck

anyone want a fc at nameless king?
pc, pass is dsg

>>165272691
>shoot a crossbow at smough
fcking casul
>>/out/

>>165272153
From Software doesn't do style or atmosphere. That's entirely Miyazaki's shtick. The rest of the company focuses on gameplay mechanics.

I have never used a shield once in these games, and I never will. Shields are for fucking pussies.

Is there a way to duplicate a save somehow so that you have two of the same characters?

>>165272841

I want the Souls mechanics in a Castlevania game, not meme chink man style, Castlevania already has it's own style and atmosphere

>>165272748
Can you even place signs in the boss room?

>>165273023
you can at the lever
desu im just testing this out to see if a fc here is even viable

>>165272929
You can do it with cheat engine. I'm pretty sure the method is
>Make a new character
>Check what save slot they are in CE
>Open up the character you want to dupe
>Use CE to change their save slot to the new character
>New character should have become a dupe of the old one

Probably safest to Google this before going off just what I said though.

>>165273106
omw

>get invaded
>use branch and turn into chair
>guy is walking near me and attack some shit on other side of room
>rush at him and poke him to death with Dragonslayer spear
Friendly reminder to remove and have no pitty for invaders.

>>165273521
Yeah. What's the deal with the honorable thing. I mean it's like a paid assassin talking about bowing and giving time to prepare. Who does that?

>>165273127

Found it in the table. Fucking lifesaver.

>>165273521
That's fine
Just don't summon 50 Phantoms

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well it works i guess

>>165273881
There wouldn't be honorable bowing in invasions if arenas weren't total fucking shit

>>165274110
Pontiff is an okay arena, go there faggot, every invader that bows deserve every asshole ganker they find

>>165273881
>invaders
>honor
>>165273925
I only summon people when I'm outnumbered

Imagine if each boss was rated on a scale of 0-10 for overall quality in your own opinion.

Which game would have the highest average boss rating? DeS, DaS, SotFS, BB or DaS3?

>invade world
>look for the host
>look for the host
>look for the host
>give up and use the crystal to leave
am I fucking stupid? why can't I ever find anybody in their world?

>>165274481
turn off all music and listen for their breathing

at least, that's what I did in DaS1

>>165274446
Dark souls or dark souls 3, without a question. Probably 3, since DaS has a number of bad bosses (BoC) that bring the average down.

>>165274446
Probably BB or DaS3. But the former is only because Sony didn't rush the fuck out of the game, and the latter because Miyazaki took the time to learn from all the mistakes of the first three games.

>>165274446
BB by a wide margin.

>>165274446
DaS 3 would be easily the best, DaS 2 will follow, later DaS ( because bed of chaos) and later DeS almost all of the boxes were too easy or had too many gimmicks and valley of defilement was hell to cross in ng+.

Is there any way to farm pale tongues like from mobs or in any other way? Or do I have to invade while being in Rosaria fingers. Also how dies sinning in DS III work, what are the penalties?

>>165274723
BB has a few 9/10's and 10/10s but it's weighed down by a ton of 4/10 mediocre boss fights around the mid game.

DaS3 only really has like 5 bad fights and even then Yhorm and Wolnir get bonus points purely for presentation and Curse Rotted Greatwood, while putrid, is still above a lot of other garbage bosses.

>>165274834
Farron keep perimeter. Kill Darkwraits, eventually you gain some skeletal armor and dark swords.

I started a new playthrough in DS3 to get the ursurper ending and have a question. Can I heal the dark sigil after the marriage sequence and still get the ending or is the dark sigil a necessary item for that cutscene? Haven't found any info about this, thanks in advance

does anyone wanna coop?

>>165275141
you need all 8 dark sigils to get the ending

>>165275141
No. You need to keep it.

Why are you making new character? You can get it by doing new game plus. Also care to not fuck up Anri quest.

>>165275141
Never tried it seems pointless.

>>165274878
Pale Tongues can be farmed from Darkwraiths. Though invading and winning while not a Sunbro or Purple also nets you a Pale Tongue by default.

Sin is nonexistent in DaS3, as there is no blue covenant that lets you invade sinners. It only exists for when you attack NPCs and want to interact with them later (provided you did not kill them).

>>165275316
>>165275338
Thanks, I wanted to start the game with a different playstyle, thats why I started a new character

>>165272724
You can use Cr8's gloves or the Abyss Watcher gauntlets, they cover your whole arm.

>>165272196
>one is wearing a push-up brassiere
>one is wearing a corset
literally never touched a woman

>>165274881
What's wrong with Curse Rotted Greatwood? I thought it was a pretty well done gimmick fight. It's easy like all non-annoying gimmick fights, but not a bore to go through and his visual design is pretty interesting. In fact I'd say it's the second best gimmick fight in the Souls series, with the best being Storm King from DeS.

>>165275415
Tough invading is considered sinning(that's what fextra is implying) and that increases your chance to get invaded by Blues and Darkmoons. I just need only one so far to respec into str.

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>hear about potential DLC leak
>open video
>it's Sandsnk
can this idiot fuck off already he's been full of shit since DaS2

Does Sully have an entire harem of Outrider Knights, or was it just the dancer?

>>165276173
all the other outriders were men so yes

>>165276474
>all the other outriders were men
Can we be sure about this?
The outriders were all mutated monsters with weird proportions, any of them could have been girls without us being able to tell

>>165276671
Yeah, but only one of them was Ciaran. Don't need any other waifus, especially if you were the type of man who left the Holy Land of All Waifus to come to Lothric.

>>165276671
what if the outriders are men identifying as women (or the other way around)?

Greathammers are so bad in DaS3.

So, wait, there are literally no downsides to leaving covenants now?

>>165276825
>one of them was Ciaran
Vaati please. Similar weapons does not mean the same person.

>>165276864
You can switch them at any time, which is good cause running all time to just switch to other was annoying.

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Who are the cutest, pyros, sorcerers, or clerics ?

>>165276671
As some anons have pointed out, it's possible for Vordt to be a chick.

FC still on?

>>165276863
Quakestone is really satisfying but the WA is so damn slow and it should track way better.

Great Club is the only good one, and I think it's the best great hammer in Dark Souls because in 1 they were just BS sticks and in 2 they weren't too good either.

>>165276036
I mean, he's just doing what he always does. Someone on /dsg/ made a post about CE memes, he made a youtube video about it and said he found it himself. If the information itself is valid, then the information itself is all you need to talk about, not who brought it to you.

It's pretty straight forward that, if not the DLC, at least one enemy/npc will be related to the "capital of hollows". Let's hope it's some kind of next-level meta miyazaki meme, because if this DLC isn't about Angels, Gwynevere, and Carim, I'm going to kill myself.

>Clicking on a sana video

Fucking for shame.

>>165276903
Ciaran =/= literally Ciaran. It's unlikely Ciaran's lived this long. I'd say chances are pretty high that Dancer has Ciaran's soul, though.

>>165276825
Inspired by Ciaran, the dancer it's literally from the Royal blood.

>>165266148
>>165267052

None of the different i.ps are actually connected

>>165277151
>Ciaran wasn't royal blood

Source?

>start a new run
>kill the crystal lizard just fine
>somehow die 5 times to iudex
What the actual fuck

>>165277085

>Dancer for long limb contortion
>Vordt for dat ass

truly Pontiff is a man of taste

>>165276863
>>165277104

Spiked Mace isn't too bad either, it has a good WA.

>>165277096

Seconding this.

Anyone want to help to Irithyll Dungeon? Still need to light Farron flames.

>>165277013
yeah, but are you penalized for doing so?

>>165277085
What

>>165276863
I really like them, even gargoyle flamehammer and old demon kings greathammer.

What damage is Dancer's other sword?

>>165277027
Quelana
Kriemhild
Rhea

>>165277454
Vordt's sex is never specified, so it's up in the air what it is.

>>165277264
The dex fag from the warriors of Gwyn the Artoria's waifu, and the fact she died in his grave, mourning.

>>165277582
magic
the boss wields a dark sword in its place and the description claims it's "dark magic", but it's normal fucking magic
thanks memezaki

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>Everyone speculating assloads about Angels
>So few people bring up this nigga

Literally why. People would sooner assume the serpents are pretending to be Angels than talk about Dark Souls 2?

Not to mention how many similarities he has to Pontiff Sulyvahn. If anything, the only weakness to the theory that Darklurker is related to the Angels is that Pontiff Sulyvahn is so entwined with the majority of DS3 lore and lore theory that it'd be redundant at this point for him to be in charge of Irithyll, the Deep, even the Scholars according to reddit/dsg memes, and then ALSO the Angelic Faith.

>>165277096
no
there was only one sign after ten minutes and no one else said they were coming

>>165277105
>>165277105
>It's unlikely Ciaran's lived this long
I don't believe the Dancer is Ciaran but if she hadn't died at Artorias' grave of some cause, she might have lived that long. The Gods don't seem to age - Gwyndolin lived all that time, and so did Nameless King even after being stripped of some part of his godliness.

>I'd say chances are pretty high that Dancer has Ciaran's soul, though
Assuming that the soul reincarnation thing is still canon as of Dark Souls 3. It's a fun idea though. I remember before Dark Souls 3 came out I was sure that the game would be about hunting down all the reincarnations of the Lord Souls and their fragments in order to return them to the First Flame, hence the 'Heirs of Fire' thing (which now means fucking nothing).

>>165277264
There's nothing saying she was?

>>165277631
Did you have a stroke while typing this?

>>165277735
The ranged attack from pontiff knights is strangely enough also magic damage.

>>165277602
Nice to know

My imagination is now boiling with lewd stuff

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>>165274446
I don't think anyone has the same definition of "overall quality".
For every person that loves multi-stage bosses with a wide variety of attacks and abilities, there's someone else that would rather have variety in terms of what kinds of bosses you fight. Some people care about whether the bosses have some sort of explanation or relevance to the world or story, some people don't give a shit at all.

I was a little surprised to find out that there are people out there that think the bosses in 3 are bad because there's too many humanoids and they all "feel" like the same kind of fight. In other words, I guess there's the idea that there's no pants-shitting moments in 3 like when the Gaping Dragon shows up for the first time, or when you fall into the Chasm of Old and Darklurker is just there waiting for you. I guess the argument is that all the fights have a fairly similar atmosphere.
I don't totally agree with that (NK riding in on a fucking dragon should count), but at the same time I can kind of understand why people feel that way.

Personally, I'm just glad that every single game in the series has at least a few bosses that are really enjoyable.

>>165277804
The statues in upper Lothric castle of a being like Kaathe with wings.
And his soul gives literal no info of what it was. Something from the abyss.

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>>165277804
>People would sooner assume the serpents are pretending to be Angels than talk about Dark Souls 2

On Lothric there are statues of the serpents with small angel wings so it's not too farfetched.

Darklurker is a mysterious figure even in Dark Souls 2 itself. His soul offers no information on him, and it's a light soul, not colored dark like all the other dark beings, yet he uses dark magic (his melee and meteor attacks) and his fire magic looks like a Darksign. Also, the Pilgrims of Dark makes you kill him, for whatever reason.

>>165277934
Yes.

>>165277932
There was nothing saying Ornstein was Faraam's knight until DS3. Why would this be treated any differently?

>Assuming that the soul reincarnation thing is still canon as of Dark Souls 3

Did you play DS2? Have you been to see Oceiros recently?

>I don't believe the Dancer is Ciaran but if she hadn't died at Artorias' grave of some cause

The Firstborne isn't the corpse outside Gwyndolin's room. Yorgh isn't the corpse in Sinh's room. Ciaran doesn't have to be the corpse in behind Artorias's grave in DS1, though that makes for a sad story. Remember, not all events from DS1 or DS2 are canon up to this point anyway.

>>165278124
>>165278159
I'm not saying Darklurker isn't the soul-embodiment of the word "vague", but he's more angel like than jewserpents, even if they had wings.

We have Pontiff and the Witchtrees for some of his lore now, but even then it doesn't really tie him to anything but the Deep, which is problematic.

>>165278261
Need me to call an ambulance?

>>165277932
>the game would be about hunting down all the reincarnations of the Lord Souls and their fragments

If people whine about fanservice now, imagine what this thread would be like if every boss in Dark Souls 3 were a reincarnation of some past Soul boss or lore figure.

>>165278330
If I remember a couple of years ago the dark lurker was a reference to kings field.

>>165277804
Alright, I don't get the Pontiff Sulyvahn/Darklurker thing.
They both have wings, are pale, and can have a clone (the clones themselves not even being the same mechanically).
They don't share any parts of their attacks/moveset at all, and are clearly different characters with different roles.
Is there anything else that makes people compare them?
Is it really just because they kind of look the same?

>>165278096
Curse Rotted Greatwood has a pretty creative visual design, his arena is cool, and his fight is quite good for a gimmick, yet people hate it.

Gaping Dragon is nearly unanimously loved and while his visual design is probably the best in the entire Souls series, the fight itself sucks extremely badly, one of the worst non-gimmick bosses out there, but I guess it's not the worst because it's easy and not annoying to fight, so people tend to forget the gameplay part and rate the fight solely on visual design.

>>165277452
No penalties. You can fuck up only some quests if you join into Rosaria Fingers.

y'all niggas reading too much into devs re-using assets

>>165278746
>Tfw curserotted stands on his legs and chases you
That was really scary.

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>>165277104
>and in 2 they weren't too good either
I have over 200 hours with the Iron King Hammer logged. Greathammers were amazing unlocked, the 1 handed R2s were good for rollcatches and literally everyone forgets that the fancy 2 handed R2 has a followup R2, use it when they dodge the first R2 and counterattack. Most satisfying greathammer I've ever used

>>165277932
>I remember before Dark Souls 3 came out I was sure that the game would be about hunting down all the reincarnations of the Lord Souls and their fragments in order to return them to the First Flame
I thought we're going to be doing this when the Firekeeper said "Let him grant death to the old gods of Lordran" but the game turned out to be laughably short and what I got was the final boss

Did this place ever return to the comfy days of when there were actual okay tripfags here?
I want Marcy and Kirk back, come back you faggots, I don't even have psn but I would get it just to play ds3 with those fags again

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>>165278524
It's a reference to a boss named Seath appearance-wise, but so is Seath the Scaleless name-wise. It doesn't mean it's not relevant to the lore.

>>165278615
The appearance of the clone is similar to the way the Witchtree ghosts in the Abyss look in DS2, as does Sulvahn's wings.

They don't """share a moveset""" (whatever the that means) in that they don't have any exact moves, but they share literally every element of attack and barely deviate in usage. All Sulyvahn needs to do to match Darklurker tit for tat is start firing his explosions through wormholes and they'd """"share a moveset""""

I'd say Sulyvahn was trying to imitate a Darklurker, hence a lot of similarities yet not quite reaching the same level.

There isn't another Dark Souls boss that even has a clone mechanic off the top of my head.

Even found a screenshot in a hugeass downloads folder for you.

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>>165279108
Fair enough. I don't have much experience with Dark Souls 2 greathammers except with the Sanctum Mace (which I got to rank 3 in the arena with) but I counted that as a lance because of the moveset.

I didn't like the feel of ultra weapons in 2, I mentioned it before but it's mostly the sounds and the stagger animations. made them feel like they lacked weight. I did spend some time with a fume UGS build though, and it was a pretty well designed weapon, beyond the things I mentioned above which were mostly issues with the core of the game rather than the individual weapons. I loved how lances felt though, the charge was really satisfying to land.

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>>165279108
>DS2 greathammer running 1HR1s

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>>165279117
Holy fuck, same.

>"Let him grant death to the old gods of Lordran"
>Oh shit dude, here we go.
>Kiln of the First Flame
>Wait no what
>It's just a "IT WAS A PLAYER THE WHOLE TIME" boss
>piano music starts
>Please fucking no I don't want anymore useless DS1 fanservice
>sword in ground
>explosion
>gwyn's whole moveset, just cant be parried
>isn't this nostalgic guys
>meanwhile, Seath is the only "Lord Soul" (not even) that's in DS3, two entire games of lore thrown right out the window

Fucking kill me.

>Perfect DaS boss Fights
Champ
Pontiff
Friede
SoC(If you played DaS1 PvP for an appreciable length of time)
NK

>Near Perfect DaS3 boss Fights
Abyss Watchers
Friede
Dancer
SoC
Cripples

>Great DaS3 Boss Fights
Pus Of Man Gundyr
Vordt
Oceiros
Aldrich
Dragonslayer Armour


>Okay DaS3 Boss Fights
Yhorm (Shit Fight, 10/10 atmosphere and music)
Wolnir (See above)
Curse-Rotted Greatwood
Champion's Gravetender
Crystal Sage
Old Demon King

>Bad DaS3 Boss Fights
Deacons
Ancient Wyvern

>>165278746
Oh yeah, I definitely agree that the only thing the Gaping Dragon fight has going for it its appearance. Everything else is extremely uninteresting.
Apparently that was enough, though, since you're right in saying that there's a lot of people that seem to look back at that one fondly.

Reasons I've heard for people hating the Greatwood fight were that the thing is ugly, it's too easy, music isn't any good, and running around looking for its weak points is boring/kind of stupid in a game where you can normally fight head-on with no problems.
I don't know, I don't think it's the worst boss in the series by any stretch, but I admit I never liked it that much either.

>>165278037
>her posture makes it so that you can lift her loincloth at any time and just rail her
vordt has a super lewd design once you get down to it

>>165279815
Vordt was thicc

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>>165279659
>flattening someone with the smelter hammer

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>>165279729
>Putting Yhorm, Wolnir, CRG, or AW not all in the same tier
>Putting them anywhere near the other bosses
>Friede and SoC put anywhere near the top
>Top two categories overlap and seemingly for no reason since both are DS3 exclusive

>>165279729
>If you played DaS1 PvP for an appreciable length of time

Fuck off, him going through the meta phases is stupid as fuck. NK was fanservice done tasfully, SoC is awful

>>165279815
we gotta get someone to draw vordt lewd

>>165279725
nah there's gonna be a dragon, DS3 doesn't have a normal dragon battle yet

>>165279725
>>useless DS1 fanservice
>>useless

>Not referencing Gwyn in a game about the linking of the fire, and final game in the series.

>>meanwhile, Seath is the only "Lord Soul" (not even) that's in DS3, two entire games of lore thrown right out the window

Oceiros is not a Lord Soul holder. The thing about Lord Souls cursing the land and reincarnating as similarly themed beings was just a Dark Souls 2 thing and it was probably dropped by Miyazaki because it doesn't appear in Dark Souls 3 at all.

Dark Souls 2 is the one that acted as if Seath had a full Lord Soul, and gave another dragon a soul despite them not having any.

what the FUCK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmpweHdeAc

why is this so fucking good and where was it used in the game?

it's better than more than half the tracks in DS3. they really should have let the same guy/team compose the music for ds3 or at least collaborate.

>>165278330
>There was nothing saying Ornstein was Faraam's knight until DS3. Why would this be treated any differently?

Because facts being reconsidered because of new information is different from facts being reconsidered because nothing said they weren't true.

Besides, Ciaran's corpse is almost certainly behind Arty's grave, there's no likelihood for her to be Dancer.

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>almost a year
>still no Pontiff lewd

I'm disappointed

>>165277602
I just judged from the size of its codpiece that it was male

I think it's funny how people either love SoC being a throwback or fucking hate it.
There's no in between at all.

>>165280091
It wasn't a reference to Dark Souls 1 PvP or a way to fight your player character or anything that people say, it was just a creative way of acknowledging all the unnamed Chosen Undead that sacrificed themselves to link the fire through the ages, and once you defeat all their combined souls you get to the original soul that linked the fire, Gwyn. In Japanese Soul of Cinder is called called "Incarnation of Kings" and his Soul looks like an amalgam of several smaller firey souls. It makes sense.

>Going through DaS1 again
>Time to do the DLC content
>About to enter royal wood
>Loose all motivation to continue

Y'know, the bosses are great and all in AotA, but the areas are mediocre as fuck

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>>165278330
>There was nothing saying Ornstein was Faraam's knight until DS3. Why would this be treated any differently?
Because there's still nothing saying Ciaran is of royal blood.

>Have you been to see Oceiros recently?
Oceiros has presumably been transformed by his research into and worship of Seath: he's not a reincarnation of him.

>>165278330
>Ciaran doesn't have to be the corpse in behind Artorias's grave in DS1
True, but unlike those other corpses we see Ciaran when she's alive in what is presumably meant to be an equivelant location. Plus, the 'non-canon' deaths of Dark Souls 1 are Gwyndolin who was an optional boss, and Ornstein and Smough who people have been memeing about being illusions for ages: as fucking stupid as it is, Memeahacki might have decided he liked the illusion idea.

Plus, Dark Souls 3 is pretty explicit about who has or hasn't died. There's nothing that mentions Ciaran, by name or by something like "the assassin of the old gods." Furthermore, doesn't the game actually say that Sulyvahn *gave* the Dancer the twin swords, not that they were hers to begin with? The Dancer's swords are fire and dark, whereas Ciaran's were just gold and silver: I think it's much more likely Sulyvahn just made them in the image of Ciaran's weapons to further the idea of his divine legitimacy.

>>165277804
I've always had this fucker in mind when it comes to the Angels. I'm still not too sure what I think about the Angels: their magic appearance indicates they should be related to Light, but the Ascended Winged Knights and the fact their faith was considered blasphemous might mean they're Dark. I also think it's possible the Angels might be some sort of creation of Oceiros but I'm not super attached to that idea.

>>165278124
>>165278159
The winged serpent statues are probably a deification of Frampt, not an Angel.
I think the Darklurker is probably a reincarnation of the Four Kings.

>>165280516
That's kind of like people will either like the throwbacks and references to DaS1 in DaS3 or hate all of it.

>>165278034
Cheers for the intel.

I was able to block her earlier attacks with my dragoncrest shield, but second phase just whisked right past it.

I might need to drop the shield in the second phase, whenever I actually manage to get there, she seems to be able to grab me from quite the distance away.

Also I am distracted by her amazing ass.

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>>165280257
It doesn't need one. Including a dragon for the sake of including a dragon is dumb as fuck. Give me some actual, functioning dark souls story at ANY point in DS3, please.

>>165280272
>>Not referencing Gwyn in a game about the linking of the fire
That's not what DS3 is about.

>>Oceiros is not a Lord Soul holder. The thing about Lord Souls cursing the land and reincarnating as similarly themed beings was just a Dark Souls 2 thing and it was probably dropped by Miyazaki because it doesn't appear in Dark Souls 3 at all.

>It's another /dsg/ "Dark Souls 2 was retconned" episode

wewladle

>and gave another dragon a soul despite them not having any

Seath having a soul in the first place is probably what made him scaleless. Every souls game goes on and on talking about how Seath didn't understand what he thought he didn't have, when really he just had a soul over the other Dragons. That would explain his appearance as a functional lord in future cycles and his mortality compared to other dragons. If you're gonna be pissed about a dragon having a soul, choose Sinh, and choose Sinh's soul making Yorgh's fucking spear, like they couldn't have done that possibly any other way.

>>165280392
>Because facts being reconsidered because of new information is different from facts being reconsidered because nothing said they weren't true.

Dancer's item descriptions saying she's royal blood is pretty clear cut.

>>Besides, Ciaran's corpse is almost certainly behind Arty's grave, there's no likelihood for her to be Dancer.

>almost certainly behind Arty's grave
>there's no likelihood for her to be Dancer.

>>165280630
Even better

>>165280516
I don't care about it. I don't hate it I just don't get emotional about it. The boss I would get emotional about is NK or Artorias or possibly Manus.

Do I need to upgrade a weapon with titanite before infusing it?
does it matter?

>>165280272
This and The theme with Seath it always been madness to achieve immorality and crystals and people driven mad because of that knowledge and weird sexual things with young maidens and dragon kids.

>>165278330
>Have you been to see Oceiros recently?

>Get a Dragon Torso Stone based on Everlasting Dragon
>Become like an Everlasting Dragon

>Get a Dragon Torso Stone based on Kalameet
>Become like Kalameet

>Get a Dragon Torso Stone based on the Archdragon
>Become like the Archdragon

>Somehow get a Dragon Torso Stone based on Seath
>???

>>165280779
>Seath having a soul in the first place is probably what made him scaleless
Seath's soul is a fragment of Gwyn's, not one he was born with.

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First time Demon's Souls player here.
I was using Mirdan Hammer, which has a great moveset 2handed and great range, but it's a bit complicated to aim without lock-on.
I wanna avoid using lock-on as much as possible because it messes up with the camera too much.
Straight Swords are pretty easy to use without lock-on, and they're usually good, so if anyone is kind enough to recommend me one, that would be great.
I've already spent too much resources upgrading other weapons, so I can't afford wasting more materials, at least not right now.

tl;dr: Recommend me a good Straight Sword in Demon's Souls, please.

>>165281064
>Turns like Yorshka

>>165280779
I was talking about Sinh when I said "gave another dragon a soul".

And yes, as we see from Dark Souls 3 Miyazaki didn't acknowledge many things from Dark Souls 2 lore like the reincarnation of Souls. You may not like it, but it's how it is. "Retconned" might not be the right word. It may be "Ignored".

>>165280516
Even if you don't like the throwbacks, the first phase has a lot of variety and unique moves. The constantly changing nature of the fight makes it a great experience.

>>165276863
the problem is that bigger weapons do not have any additional damage because of the 2hit stunlock shit

a straight sword does the same damage with 2 1h r1s that a greathammer does with a rollcatch 2h r1

>>165280779
>Dancer's item descriptions saying she's royal blood is pretty clear cut.

Dancer's descriptions say Dancer is of royal blood, not Ciaran. There's a limited number of female corpses in Dark Souls 1 and they're consistently lore relevant, with one being a female corpse behind Artorias' tombstone with the Hornet Ring. Considering it's a human sized corpse, a lore significant corpse, and Ciaran was human sized herself, there's a lot more evidence for that being Ciaran than there is for Dancer.

>>165281152
The one that those red eyed assholes use it's pretty good.

>>165272724

why is your character so sassy

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>>165280687
>Because there's still nothing saying Ciaran is of royal blood.

But there's plenty saying Dancer was, and Dancer has many similarities to Ciaran, both cited from DS1 and DS3.

>Oceiros has presumably been transformed by his research into and worship of Seath: he's not a reincarnation

Moonlight Greatsword and marriage to Gwynevere beg to differ.

>True, but unlike those other corpses we see Ciaran when she's alive in what is presumably meant to be an equivelant location. Plus, the 'non-canon' deaths of Dark Souls 1 are Gwyndolin who was an optional boss, and Ornstein and Smough who people have been memeing about being illusions for ages: as fucking stupid as it is, BigM might have decided he liked the illusion idea.

Nothing about any of this discounts that body not being Ciaran's. The Firstborne's ring is found on a corpse outside Gwyndolin's room in Anor Londo, and yet that's not the Firstborne. In that exact same vein, the corpse behind Artorias's grave with Ciaran's ring does not have to be Ciaran.

>Plus, Dark Souls 3 is pretty explicit about who has or hasn't died. There's nothing that mentions Ciaran, by name or by something like "the assassin of the old gods."

The hornet ring, anon?

>Furthermore, doesn't the game actually say that Sulyvahn *gave* the Dancer the twin swords, not that they were hers to begin with?

He did, yeah.

The Dancer's swords are fire and dark, whereas Ciaran's were just gold and silver:

Yet they're still gold and silver in her fight. When the player wields them, the silver one is purple -- but when Dancer wields them, the silver one is legitimately silver.

>I think it's much more likely Sulyvahn just made them in the image of Ciaran's weapons to further the idea of his divine legitimacy.

I don't doubt it. It doesn't discount Dancer as Ciaran or Ciaran's soul-descendant. Soul-descendants will always have similar fates. Dancer having a gold and silver tracer and fighting like she's dancing are almost too on the head.

>>165281152
The Blueblood Sword is probably the best, but you need a specific build for it and it's an endgame weapon.

Knight Sword is a pretty good SS, I remember doing good with a Crushing one. It's not cheese-level good but it's pretty fun.

Is it worth investing in fai/int for extra damage from the dragon stones in ds3?

>>165281142
I wasn't saying that his lordsoul in DS1 was his, just that he himself actually had a soul. I don't think there's any way he or Gwyn could've known that, at least not until Seath specifically took the dive into researching SOUL magic. The stuff that drove him mad, by the way.

>>165281425
>The Firstborne's ring is found on a corpse outside Gwyndolin's room in Anor Londo, and yet that's not the Firstborne.

The lore also explicitly said the Firstborn fucked off and left Anor Londo, so that was never in the running.

>>165280754
The only references in 3 I don't mind are Gwyn's first-born showing up, the Abyss Watchers, and maybe SoC. Everything else heavily detracts from the game to the point of it being really annoying, for me at least.
It's probably made more irritating since 2 is so heavily ignored, to the point where a lot of things either don't make sense or are very difficult to explain. Not that the lore of this series was ever well-explained, but it certainly didn't help at all.

>>165281724
Said he was banished from it, and it didn't discount his ability to die outside his little brother's room/his father's tomb.

Not to mention he died a few miles from Anor Londo anyway.

>>165281580
If he had a soul, it should've been collected by the player in DaS1.

>>165281242
2 hit stunlock also affects ultra weapons, they can do really good damage in two R1s especially in the arena where people have lower HP. Increasing their damage would be a bit silly.

The problem isn't their damage, it's their speed, their recovery frames and their stamina consumption.These need to be buffed in order to make them truly good.

I completely abandoned the hope of seeing them buffed, though. If they didn't do it already I doubt they will do it now. What I'm hoping for is for some meta ultra weapon in the DLC. I feel like if any ultra weapon has a fast attack to mix up with all the slow attacks, it could do really good. Or a good rollcatch like the Greatclub. UGS Lothric Knights have the former in the form of that shove attack and Cathedral Knights have the latter.

Why was Gwyndolin raised as a girl?

>>165281995
>CU can't collect souls that are unlabeled

I guess we didn't have a Crestfallen Warrior every game, boys.

>>165282103
He talked like a fag and shit was all fucked up

>>165280948
Order doesn't matter. You can infuse +0 weapons and then upgrade or vice versa.

>>165282103

pappa gets what pappa wants

>>165282103
An affinity for the moon. Says so right in his item descriptions, mate.

>>165281425
>marriage to Gwynevere
>having any significance to Seath

Oh, so you're on the "Priscilla was born from Gwynevere fucking Seath" plan. Shine on, you retarded diamond.

>>165282271
Yeah, but...

What the fuck does that even mean?

>get levels from yoel, get extra sigils from anri
>kill soc
>only have the option to link the fire
what did i fuck up