/rlg/ - Roguelike General

first for you only have yourself to blame for being bad

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>>165029310

>>165029845
FFtactics roguelike when? Matsuno's out of work, he'd love to do it. Call it Roguelike Fantasy Tactics, and set it in Arangeevalice.

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>when the pinchy winchy is just right
Let's do our best this thread too!

>Narya has "sense troll"
for what fucking purpose

>>165030990
which *band

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>>165030990
Probably detects itself.

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ok this guy might be one of the best mounts for a ring

if you turn off "allow attack spells", he will just cast "summon greater undead" every second turn and do nothing else

How to melee in Qud? All I ever see are esper builds.

PCB centipede here - should I use the 1.3M I've saved up to dive down to 4500ft and see what I can get out with alive? Clvl 36

>>165034234
You could just spend your money on a staff of detect stairs instead, anon.

Or if you really want to get to a dangerous dlvl go run to the entrances to Mine/Olympus/R'lyeh

>>165029029
>removing the IVAN news
Why
We leave all new roguelike news for at least a week
Why did you do that you maniac

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>>165034197
Just having 16/16 str/agi is usually enough to kill early game mobs with whatever weapon you can find. Stat progression should focus on the weapon class you want to use.
To make it into the late game you're gunna want to get tinkering 1 so you can mod your equipment. Flaming/freezing/electrified make a big difference in damage on the higher tier weapons.
Cold hands is a great way to get through early and if you level it up it freezes enemies pretty nicely. Sleeping gas is a nice crowd control option.
As far as defenses go DV is great but you will want some AV regardless or the one attack that gets through may delete you.
Make sure your attack pen is high.

>>165032632
Is ring starting equipment unfucked yet?

>>165035332
I unfucked it in pseudo the first time people posted about it being fucked

>>165035125
Is True Human ever worth it compared to muts?

>>165034652
I don't have those, I turned wilderness off after spending two nights trying to get to another town.

Doing Tombs for the first time, none of the debuffs I get from here are permanent right? Unlike bad mutations from slime pits. Also how should I do slime pits? I don't know of an item that grants resistance to bad mutations except for maybe artefacts that I haven't come across yet. Just skip it?

>>165036763
>none of the debuffs I get from here are permanent right

stat reduction will go away as you gain xp.its recommeneded to have every stat at 7 min.Tomb also need some torment form of torment resistnace like statue for and TSO is the recommended god.Be verty careful Tomb is nasty even if you know what you're doing

> Also how should I do slime pits
Zin grants you resistance to mutations.All you need is some rCorr and fight the Royal Jelly buffed in the middle corridors.Read 1-2 scrolls of summonig to fill the gaps beofre you hit it cuz it spawns other jellies

>>165035442
Yes
It's almost impossible to fuck up character creation when you make an OG human.
You get 12 extra stat points... A mutant wouldn't catch up until level 36. Not to mention you get more starting skills better starting items. There are more benefits i wont even mention.

>>165037336
they are a lot less cool though

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>>165037067
I have a ring of positive energy, that works against torment, right? I also have a ring of resist corrosion, I can I use it in slime pits. I don't want to abandon Trog for one branch though, he's been quite useful so far. I guess I can rely on his summons when I come across a monster with mutation ability?

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I just ate a whole bag of pepperoni and I feel like dying

roguelikes

>still no real classical roguelikes in speedrunning events
Sad!

I honestly can not believe there isn't a complete erotic roguelike in the year 2017.

>>165041746
Maidensnow Eve my dude

>>164956578

Just win a couple of times and go back to playing offline. I only have 20 games myself but the few wins I have are more than enough to prove that I'm legit.

>>165038394

Why are you wearing a gourmand amulet? It's clearly not doing anything useful, just throw that away and wear the regen amulet instead.

>>165041610
>speedrunning turn based games
Sounds barely more exciting than christian porn and a whole lot less amusing.

>>165045443
speedrunning games revolving around RLG is more of an issue I think

>>165041610
>still no roguelike superplay marathon where greaterplayers do slowruns with extensive commentary

>>165041610

I feel this urgent need to torture your butt for using an exclamation point

>>165046153
newfag

What are the chances potion of beneficial mutation spawning?

>>165048075
low

*** LOW HP WARNING ***

>>165053696
You die...

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tum is here to save the day!!!

Potions of lignification, yea or nay?

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>>165056448
Get better menes

>>165056486
about tree fiddy

>>165056486
Yea, useful for stuff like bee swarms early on

>>165056486
Depends. They're useful specifically to low AC characters and against weak attacks. By the time you reach Lair, they're mostly useless; by the time you reach Vaults, they're 100% useless (for instance, a character with reasonably high AC will have more than they'd get from Tree Form).

I'm definitely a big proponent of their use in the early game, though. They just rapidly become pointless with every new floor.

>>165057143
yeah, rN+++ and torment resistance is totally useless late in the game. uh huh

How good is the Distortion brand once you are high enough XL where the unwield effects are no big deal? Useful for post-end? Better/worse than Elec, Vamp, etc.?

Base weapon type is demon trident.

>>165058398
It's good for crowd control but gets a bit annoying when you blink a single enemy away from you.
Also, banishments don't give you full XP

>come back to crawl after like a year
>hepliaklqana
nice jojo reference xDDD

>>165058557
Thanks, I think Distortion would be an improvement over vorpal...

>>165058303
Being unable to move (and unable to even teleport/blink under normal circumstances) is not worth torment immunity. rN+++ is not impossible to get, especially for the ever-common extended game TSO worshippers.

Lig/Tree Form will fuck you over much more often than it'll help you past the midgame. That's the sign of a useless item, IMO.

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Just started playing and I've never gotten to D:13 before. My items are absolute shit though and Trog keeps giving me some javelins and tomahawks. Fuck Trog.

Also, I've never left the main dungeon and am afraid to do so. Where should I go first? I have Lair and Orcish Mines available.

>>165060742
If you're fine on D:13 you'll do peachy in the Lair

>>165060742
but dude, you have an antimagic Executioner's axe before Lair, which is arguably a very nice weapon for the endgame/Zot. Trog believes in you.

Speaking of which, what's your Axes skill at? Because while an Exe Axe is sexy as fuck, it might fuck you over if your skill isn't at least like 10, if not 15. For the time being, you might be better off with an Axe less powerful than your Exe.

In general, you'll want to do Lair before Orc, unless you zero weapons for killing Hydras, which luckily isn't the case with you. Your dire flail will work well (be sure to switch to it at the first sight of a Hydra), so Lair should be your goal. Keep in mind that you might get poisoned in this area -- however, you'll only get basic amounts of poison in Lair and not horribly bad poisoning that'll put your whole health bar in the yellow (Uniques like Sonja are an exception). For most people and in most cases, Lair is fine without poison resistance.

Also, use your identify scroll and ID those glowing grey potions (and any other potions that you haven't ID'd). For now, drop your noise scroll as well: you can just yell with "tt" if you need to create noise (which does have tactical usage from time to time).

How are frogs in trunk?

>>165046054
But we have that.
Thank god, we have that.

>>165061943
My axe skill is like 17. I have gotten multiple enchant weapon scrolls after the post and used them on the axe. I also ID'd the potions and went to the Lair, in which, I'm doing fine.

Good to know the Hydra thing, I've splatted to Hydras on my earlier "best" runs. Now I know to save the Flail for Hydras.

This one will be by far my best run ever and I'm slowly starting to enjoy the game. I hope I'll be able to get to this point consistently after as well.

Why shouldnt i take teleport as a starter mutation everytime in Qud?

>>165063162

Sure seems like people are playing Qud nowadays! Can you hook me up with the latest torrent?

>>165063661
Doesn't exist, Qud gets updates pretty often.
Any torrents will be horribly out of date.

>>165063785
Well, just put yours up, no?

>>165063661
Im playing the one most recent from tbp

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>>165064210
No

>>165064210
>>165064635
Also, it contains the sultans update, so relics, world history etc. are in.

Damn demonic guardian mutation is good

>>165064868
>refusing to share the load with your aralgeean bretheren
I guess this is what PAYING FOR ROGUELIKES does to you.
You sick monster. You should be put down.

>>165064868
is this Elona?

In DCSS, are shields a good idea for unarmed fighters now?

>>165066258
Of course

Anyone knows how to remove the blue filter in qud
it's fucking awful

>>165066249
The price of a movie ticket for a great game. Why don't you go get a job or something, bum? Or you know, play the free version.

The guy actually works on the game and updates it weekly unlike the ASCII no music open-source roguelikes that get updated once every five years.

Oh and almost forgot, kys.

>>165063162
Pick it with clairvoyance too so you can scry on shit you can't see and then teleport to it.

>>165066825
>this is your brain on shilling
Fucking disgusting.

>>165064868
>tfw no dicku

>>165066509

Steam/steamapps/qud/streamingsomething/display.txt

Small k is the background and capital K is the map that you've explored but is out of your view. The rest you can leave as is but also disable the scan lines for more info.

Colorhexa.com, choose a nice background color for k and a bit lighter version of it for K.

>>165056542
>You eat political activism.
>There was something very wrong with that ideology!
>You regain consciousness...

>>165067141
>Ulch! That ideology was tainted!
>You feel deathly sick.

>>165067053
Ohh, totally fucked up the formatting, am on phone.

For more info about the colors, colorhexa.com. The scanlines are a matter of opinion but I've disabled them. I have like five different display.txts for variety, I'm autistic like that.

>>165066929
Why don't you use all your free time working on a game and give it for us free? How old are you anyways? 15?

>>165066313
Yes. 0.17 stopped shields from weakening Unarmed Combat. Shields only negatively UC fighters by removing offhand punches.

>>165067584
How useless are those anyway?

>>165067851
They basically don't matter at all.

>>165067851
offhand punch is like a ~30%ish increase to your total damage-per-aut

chance to use aux attacks is based on str+dex so probably a bigger boost for cheifriends

>>165068409
Most characters end up with ~40 Str+Dex by XL 27 anyways; Chei need not apply.

That said, offhand punch damage apparently isn't based on main-attack damage like the Vinestalker's bite is. According to learndb, the formula for an offhand punch is
> 5 + UC skill / 3 + (6 with blade hands) + (claws mutation level)d3 with claws (does not stack with blade hands)

>>165067326
>can't kill unicorns because muh veganism
>pray
>you feel that god is angry at your pussy ass

>>165069259
VS bite isn't based on main-attack-damage either anon, it's a flat amount that increases with the level of the mutation (which increases as VS level).

Offhand punch is related to your total damage output because both are based mostly on UC skill.

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>>165066825
>dirty and uncultured free source scum:
>probably on welfare
>can't even spare a dime for his favorite pastime
>fucks my little pony dolls in his mother's basement

>enlightened and sophisticated roguelike enthusiast:
>pays for games he enjoys
>has a girlfriend
>discusses roguelikes and never shitposts on /rlg/
>has won every roguelike at least five times

I swear to god, your posts read like a Kelly comic.

>>165071101
not wanting to pirate an indiegame is different from being opposed to opensource in general anon

if you want to pirate a big roguelike like darksouls made by hundreds of people in a big faceless videogames company go right ahead,

but qud is made by like 2 guys

>>165071594
Qud is made by people who pulled a Biskup and decided to "update" weekly with single bugfixes a dead game, after they saw sproggywood wasn't getting them anywhere.
The game's still unfinished, they literally (metaphysically) slapped a blue filter on a game that hasn't had an ending in seven years, was left in development hell until they found out they could actually get money out of gullible fucks that did not know about the game before and the codebase is still wonky..

250 Mb savegame files.
For a game that's 50 Mb in size.

But it's not a bad game. I like Qud. In fact, I was really happy when I heard they were rebooting it, since I hated not having nothing to do after bethesda.

But the barathrum tower is still fucked after 7 years.

Fuck shiny new tiles and music to grab the easy money, I want to play Qud, not sproggyQud.

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>>165072181

>>165071594
Don't mean to shill or anything but every single time I've had a problem with the game or a question about the game I've gone to Discord or Reddit (lel, ikr XD) and the dev has answered to me within hours. He seems to actually care about the game so I'd happily pay more than ten bucks. Hell, I even bought Sproggiwood for mobile.

Like everyone else I appreciate open-source projects but if a hard working guy wants to get paid for his work that's totally fine as well.

>>165072181
man if they wanted to make money they would just join a real game company instead of making indie roguelikes

it's not like biskup where his game was actually popular/famous enough for him to make dollars from it

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>>165072181
The new overlay UI is crappy as well but I appreciate the attempt to make the game more accessible.

ASCII and the old UI will be forever supported though. I wish we could change the font though.

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>>165071594
>a big roguelike like darksouls

wow, someone's taken his kiddie gloves [-1] off

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>>165072752
That's looks...wrong. So wrong.

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>>165073210
Thank god the confusing shit on the ground can be disabled. The font and the spacing is horrible for ASCII though.

>>165072752
it looks like you already DID change the font anon
i dont recognize that @

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>>165073431

>>165072752

most people who complain about the Qud filter doesn't know about the free ASCII version.

>>165073620
I'd rather play the ASCII version but its missing many cool features. The filter can be disabled and I just hope the ASCII font could be changed in the future.

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>>165073547
Wait just a cotton-picking minute.
That's the Tome Engine font and spacing.
Did they actually use the Tome engine for that?
Because that's exactly it.

>>165073620
Not really.

>>165073620
what? most people who complain about the filter are COMPARING it to the ascii version

also note that the free version isn't just "steamqud without tiles" -- the paid version has actual content changes as well

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>>165073547

Old Qud used the same font Incursion and dorf fort use. This is just the pre-packaged font you get from the Tome Engine.
Have they seriously ripped off the only free roguelike engine and refurbished it for Qud.
I don't want to believe it, it's even too stupid to think about it, but holy shit they match.

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>>165073846
It's the ASCII of the Steam version and it sucks.

The original ASCII files are in the folder but I don't think there's a way to use them.

>>165072181
What are you talking about nigger?
They've added the fungal forest and diseases as well as add Sultan's, historical areas and engraved or painted items.

There is actual random shit do entertain, find new areas by reading and engraving a boot, kill everyone there and claim an artifact or rare loot.

They've also added more items as well as hired new coders to actually get the game moving.

I was skeptical at first but playing the game after 6 month hiatus and quite a bit has changed.

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>>165074372
>The original ASCII files are in the folder but I don't think there's a way to use them.
This just keeps getting stupider and stupider.

See, this is why I think paying for Qud is a bad idea.
Did they fix the cybernetics implants for true humans in bethesda?
>>165074541
>nigger?
*naga
I get you're new and everything but please take a chill pill before posting.

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Alright, now the Amy can edit the code of the game by casting this spell, and ensure yet another ascension!

>>165074670
>Nigger
What about it, I barely post here anymore but in 2-3 years has the board changed so much where nigger is an insult?
What's next calling someone a faggot is too much?

>>165075419
>I barely post here anymore but in 2-3 years has the board changed so much where nigger is an insult?

Anon, only /b/tards and /pol/sters use nigger at random.
And yes, nobody uses it here. We have that thing, you know.
Taste.

>>165074285
why are you assuming that the font is part of the tome engine and not just some FOSS thing

>>165075763
All the spinoffs that use the ToME engine have that exact font, because it's built in by default. Haven't seen it used anywhere else when playing ascii games, and I've played most of the 7dRLs and new stuff that comes out on roguebasin.
Once you see it, it remains impressed in your retina and you tend to make the connection.

>>165075682
>Anon, only /b/tards and /pol/sters use nigger at random.
Except you're talking to someone who has used this board since 2006.
Nigger and faggot has been used frequently on all boards for years, the terms newfag, and oldfag are an example.

>Taste.
I'm sure as much as /a/ does, you don't have taste you have a combination of thin skin and lofty elitism based on nothing.

Way to really send home how far this site has sunk, between VIP boards, these fucking ads and all the justification of children who don't want to admit the site they just found is dying from cancer, this board really isn't worth my time.
You probably already know where I'm going, but if you're as new as I think you are, you probably don't know of its existence.


Anyway, my original post stands.
Caves of Qud has added plenty of content, you're talking out your ass, and are epitome of a deflecting double nigger.

>>165074285
Qud is done in Unity though.

>>165076239
>Except you're talking to someone who has used this board since 2006.
I don't care, anon.
I don't care about your big boy points.
*We* aren't /b/. The rest of /vg/ is pretty goddamn shit, but /rlg/ is still pretty alright, forced memes aside.
So either you stay within the rules or you don't.

how about those roguelikes

>>165075954
but qud uses Unity, not TE4

>>165076427
Which you are doing splendidly by picking a specific word to focus on instead of the entire post that word is in.
You lost the forest for the tree and in the most ironic way possible, discussed the rules why repeatedly engaging in off topic discussion.

According to the rules there is no difference between the term nigger and idiot, you chose to get distracted by the rules which I'm guessing isn't from any concern about board quality, or the rules but more because the word is upsetting to you.
>>/co
is that way.

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If the font isn't aliased Terminal, Courier, Terminus, or one of the Angband fonts, it isn't a roguelike (Old Believer Interpretation).

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>>165076780
>words words words insult words words
That's nice. Where are the roguelikes?

>>165076730
>>165076341
I know it's not the Tome engine. Hell, even I said it's too stupid to think about it.
I'm just saying they match perfectly

>>165077027
Could you at least activate the ASCII for comparison? Can't be arsed download ToME4 at the moment.

>>165077331
Nah, I'm on linux and that would take a ton of time.
By the way, Qud doesn't run with wine.

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>>165077027
It's not even close.

tome4 is cute
CUTE
C U T E

>>165078253
up up up up.

No Sil update on Tolkiens birthday :(?

>>165079426
rip no, but apparently there wasn't one in 2013 either so it's not unprecedented

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>>165077027
this "roguelike" reads like one of my japanese animes.

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books are for nerds

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>The many ways to serve yak

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hey guys im new to RL games. Ive only played maj eylal and wish it was more randomly generated. the only reason im not playing it right now is i already know how it will be. This game looks fun(in pic).What is it? Or any other games that play/look a little like maj eyal?

>>165083104
that's the tiles version of dungeon crawl stone soup

>>165083104
ToME in general plays a bit like Angband and its variants (this thread plays a fair bit of PosChengband) but most of them don't have tiles like ToME does. If you want ToME-like gameplay, though, *bands are a good thing to check out too.

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>>165083173
same game i hope?

>>165083616
yup same thing

>>165083616
I think ToME actually *is* an Angband variant btw

>>165084015
ToME2 (the old, probably abandoned one) is. ToME4 has almost nothing in common besides some monster names.

What is your opinion on the new race in DCSS trunk?

>>165086080
They seem like an actually fun challenge race, Cyno > Barachian desu.

>constantly at 50% health in the abyss
>can't even heal except by wasting potions

i trusted you, /rlg/

you said this was the easiest extra rune

>>165065472
I gotta say it's fucking hilarious if you reach its second level by something like XL 4. It lets you Shrek everything for several floors with ease.

>>165088038
It's the easiest for SpEn of Ash.
You'll definitely get Abyss rune with Scrying at Abyss:3 in 50-100 turns at most.

>>165088038
Vaults:5 is the easiest 3rd rune, once you know what you're doing.

>>165066509
shameless [s]self-[/s]plug
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=73201.msg6900596;topicseen#msg6900596

>>165076780
You came right outta /v/ didn't you?

>>165046054
link fast please

>>165081595
game?

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>Be demonspawn
>Blood armor gives me huge AC when below 2/3
>MP shield
>Powered by death, killing things regenerate me
>2 levels of randomly acquired regen mutations
>Amulet of Vitality is on sale for cheap
>Regen 15 hp per round in big fights

>>165046054

demise
silstreamer
zoopy

>>165094345
>demise
this desu, his deep elf conjurer 15-rune playthrough is pretty excellent

>>165067851

as useful as not wasting exp on shields

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looks like statue form generated, is it possible to get it online as a non-chei troll with 2 wizardry rings?

>>165097590
>4 int
don't bother unless you're 15runing and have more xp than you know what to do with

>>165097590

It's just a level 6 spell, it shouldn't be a big deal. Put every stat ups in your Int whenever you have a chance.

Somebody convince me to try Antibirth. Haven't been having much fun with AB+

I started playing BoI post Afterbirth, was kinda surprised to see so many that hated it here.

>>165098557
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong door.

>>165098557
>>>/vg/lite

protip : dont use autotravel in qud, it'll run you into chaingun turrets and you'll instadie

>>165099159
>>165099242

WOOPS. That was embarassing. My bad, carry on. thanks for informing me about DCSS though, it looks neat, probably will try it.

>>165099474
i think this was supposed to have been fixed in the most recent version

>>165099673
im not on recent version

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>>165097883
>>165097887
aight, guess I'll skip statue since my defences are looking pretty nice now that I've got swamp dragon scales and a large shield.

>>165099967
>spending that many Enchant Armors on rPois

>>165088038
It was easy when it was only one level and you could practically permanently fly hasted with the right items while demons got stuck behind deep lava or water.

>>165100765
I haven't really gotten that far with troll so I'm just being safe by getting some extra AC, last time I tried pumping statue and got completely shrekt so I just work with what I got at that specific moment.

>examine an ogre in DCSS
>shrek quote
remove this bloat

quick, if you were a DCSS dev which bloat would you remove next?

i would personally make slings and fustibali use the throwing skill

>>165100765
he's spending those scrolls on +5 AC, anon

>>165101297
FOOOOOOD

>>165101297
I would remove autoexplore and autofight. They're no-brainers for when you want to avoid boredom but can quickly make the unskilled, unwary, or uncaring splat which is simply uninteresting. It's also key in preventing you from making fun, tactical choices with positioning, ranged weapons, or spells; it takes away more than it adds, so it must be removed.

>>165101675

Food and the hunger clock is an essential component of roguelikes.

>>165101297
can we just add stuff now please

I want new stuff

>>165101818
it's an essential part of rogue and earlygame in nethack
it does fucking nothing in dcss or in *bands

>>165102031
it matters for trolls playing an ironman game of angband, and it matters for some types of casters in dcss, but yes agreed for 99.5% of situations it doesn't matter

>>165101165
Fuck you nigga.

>>165101297

Evocations

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heh, if you ride a black reaver on the world map it'll destroy any forest tiles you cross over

>>165103594
So it's Hexxus?

>>165102467

It doesn't matter anymore because game designers have become sloppy and ignored it. This trend towards grindy mindless games is a plague.

>>165103672
who is hexxus

>>165104324
He's a captain planet villain from an obscure australian tinkerbelle-analogue movie.

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Having MR+ in vaults is complete aids, it's just constant paralysis and marks.

>>165104324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr4knvNNgtU

>>165103594
If you have the destroy walls intrinsic, you do it as well.

Then they magically reappear whenever you return to the world map.

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>>165108603
Translate those moonrunes please.

>>165109002
urara
As in the name of the show. (Urara Meichieoursur)
Also https://twitter.com/Meidocafe/status/818417816399466496

>haven't touched DCSS since .14
>visit the spider nest
>meet entropy weavers
god fucking damn it
splat

>>165110562
Yeah, they're super bullshit. If I don't have rCorr I instantly teleport if they're with other enemies because they tank your AC so hard within a couple of turns.

>>165110832
What pissed me off the most is that I was playing with that experimental kung fu god and after throwing and animating my weapon past a corner targeting it the weapon lost LoS to it and I got cornered.
Then forgot that corrosion now does affect randarts and splatted myself without blinking

>realize I'm a HOMo
;_;

>Cyno Berserker
>mastered all skills except magic related one
>game won't let him close the skill window without marking spellcasting stuff which will anger trog
oh lawd

>>165110562
>>165110832
Did they get buffed in recent releases?

I know it takes multiple turns for consecutive Entropy Weaves to hit, but have they always been able to corrode you the first/second turn after you're in their line of sight?

Seems like utter bullshit in Spider's Nest, let alone their occasional appearances in the Depths.

>>165112589

>not training ranged weapons

FAULT

>>165112589
kek, so that's why he's been afk for 36 minutes?

>>165112667
They definitely got buffed, I don't remember them being that strong in past releases at all, and the people I spectate tend to feel the same as well.

The only counter seems to be luring it to a killhole so it's not in your LoS for any longer than it needs to be.

>>165112667
the older version of entropy weavers would spend 3 turns casting a spell that gives -12 corrosion
now they spend 1 turn giving you -4 corrosion per cast, which is obviously much stronger

Am I reading this right and Nemelex abilities now scale purely with invocation?
If that's true and with Pakellas gone, is there an "evo god" left?

>>165113514
Yeah, Nemelex scales with invo now, there's zero gods that now scale off evocations.

The silver lining is that most species have better invo than evo aptitudes so more can make use of him.

>>165113676
Oh and I forgot to ask: do decks they give also scale out of invo now instead?

Seems like they're soon gutting evocation completely.

>>165113837
All decks scale off invo, but I'm pretty sure there's none that generate normally like they used to, the only way to get decks now is to get gifted them by Nemelex.

>>165114035
I'm pissed. Thanks for the information.

>>165113514

>is there an "evo god" left?

none, fortunately

>>165101165

>ogre

What are you talking about? They were already removed and replaced by Basajaunak

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i have never seen this ego before

>only played crawl
>try poschengband

now this is bloat. crawldevs are absolutely retarded if they think crawl still needs content cut.

>>165115854
yup it's basically baby ringle the ego

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>poschengband
>human mauler
>complete the warg quest
>level 12
>sell loot at town
>get a +5+6 two handed flail from warg quest reward
>go into the wilderness at night
>get ambushed
>a bunch of snaga sappers (that explode)
>a stone troll, a forest troll, and a fire troll
>I'm surrounded
>die

And here I was thinking things were going well. Should I not travel at night?

>>165119206
night is more dangerous but the bigger thing is having enough scrolls of teleport. You need fewest in light and on the road though.

>>165119402
>scrolls of teleport

I forgot I even had those. Fugggg.

>>165119206
if you're smart wilderness ambushes are just a ?tele tax

in some VERY high level areas you might be ambushed by high-level spellcasting p's, but I don't think I've really seen that outside of 555 (RIP)

>>165119920
imo the worst is the waters on the way to olympus, fastiloshits on every goddamn tile

>>165120156
yeah but you are not really in danger there unless they can oneshot you, you just tele away

it was possible to get 555 ambushes where you just got gangbanged to death by grand fearlords before you could take an action

>>165120316
one time some anon posted the turn after they opened the door to the paladin castle wilderness event

nobody does that with an unready character twice

>at Zot now
>haven't found a single scroll of blinking all game

what the fuck

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So how are PCB pet limits calculated?

>>165125487

git gud

>>165127527
Each costs a small amount of mana per turn (less than your mana regeneration rate) based on their level. You can see what % of your mana regeneration this is using on the ~p screen.

If you're a manaless class the cap is at 100% mana usage and you will be forced to dismiss some things if you reach that point.

If you are a class _with_ mana, you can summon as many pets as you want for ever-increasing mana-per-turn costs, and aren't forced to dismiss anything until you hit 0MP.

Currently I am playing a ring and using armies of greater undead summoning more greater undead to kill uniques. Yeah the giant pile of archliches is costing me 1000% of my mana regen but things still die before my mana actually hits 0.

>>165125487

Good. One less inventory slot to contribute to inventory clutter

>>165104081

You're the plague if you think food is unnecessary. Remove yourself

>>165129736

lern too reed

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Mages dont care about Slayer right?

>>165130668
Yeah, slaying is irrelevant to spellcasting.

>>165130668
>0
They don't, but that's a pretty awful ring even if you are a mage. Unless you're doing Tomb I guess.

>>165129894

>tfw you'll never be too stupid to complain about food of all things in roguelikes

>>165130941
>implying anyone complaining about food is doing so just because they died to it

but also
>agreeing that only idiots die to lack of food, making it a not-actually-meaningful mechanic for remotely competent players

>>165131145

>these can't-into-food idiots are actually present in this very thread, tavern and reddit

feels good

>>165131493
name one instance where you had to make a difficult, meaningful decision or were put into an interesting tactical situation as a result of Crawl's food system

In the version of Caves of Qud I go of tpb, unstable genome is broken. You don't lose it after you evolve a new mutation, so 1/3 levels gives a free mutation forever.

>>165133220

As long as a feature is enough to kill retards like (You), it is all well and good. It's the same but to a greater degree than a hobgoblin or Sigmund. They are not relevant for 99.9% of the game yet they are good to have because they are capable of killing retards. Crawl should have more mechanics like these, fatigue or the need to sleep comes to mind where if you're tired, your overall combat effectiveness drops to 50% and 50% capable of skipping a turn.

>>165134050
but hunger isn't even threatening enough to kill retards

it either needs to become much more significant/dangerous or stop existing, because as it is it's just boring and annoying

>>165134135

>but hunger isn't even threatening enough to kill retards

You keep on saying that yet it's threatening enough to enable retards like you to keep on complaining about food. That means it's working as intended, perfect.

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Second win ever, second in 5 days.

I should really stop doing Zot5 and ascension runs so late at night, but whatever.

I'm kinda happy but kinda pissed. Got lucky enough to find a Lajatang of Order and potentially could have gone for more runes....but I chickened out after getting my ass kicked in the Abyss. At least I'm now well-aware that all non-Lair/Vaults runes should probably be done after clearing most of Zot.

Also, it was my first time clearing out the Elfen Halls, though, so that was cool! (Although, I was chickened out by the Hall of Blades and didn't explore it.) Definitely a nice place to visit if you're bulking up and/or in need of equipment for Vaults:5.

This makes two TSO wins, too. I think I might try the other "good" gods and see if there's anything to them (Zin's near immunity to mutations seems nice). Or I might try Trog again, but honestly, I don't know how to use Berserk without getting fucked by the end cooldown.

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the inverse of the traditional cyberdemon gangbang

poor little Jromero can't handle all these liches

>>165134939

okawaru is basically a lesser trog without the downsides.

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>see Pan/Hell roulette
>mfw 100k turncount 3 rune shitters are so desperate to cut extended content to raise their mediocre value

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Somehow, I get the feeling eating this monster wasn't a good idea to get in good with Aurelion.

>>165136358
>vampires are supposed to be the seductive incarnations of lust and sex
>they give up breeding, except for very rare times they vamp up a mortal

>liches are supposed to be perma-nerds who give up all physical pleasures
>can recursively lich up a whole dungeon just to kill one dude they could 1v1

>>165137119
They should increase the Rune count needed to 5. Then shitters would HAVE to get gud and go for the more dangerous runes.

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It'll be pretty hard to get a better run than this one, I'm sure.

>>165140248
Abyss, Slime and V5 are similar in difficulty, maybe V5 is a bit harder, but not much. You'd have increase the count to 7 (not 6 so the undead don't only go to Tomb).

I hope you have a nice Two (2) Tum Tuesday, anonymous!

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>>165142305
Repent

>>165030251
>he didn't play dicku's ffta mod
lmaoing at ur lwhen the fuck is he going to finish it REEEEEEE

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The fun things you can eat in roguelikes!

http://ci.narc.ro/view/Cataclysm-DDA/job/Cataclysm-Matrix/6131/changes

looks like all the engine & fuel efficiency changes got reverted, so your vehicles will no longer guzzle fuel for little to no distance might fix speed & tiles too i haven't checked

>>165140091
>>165143723
All (?) of the good gods dislike the eating of undead corpses; that's okay since undead rarely actually give you anything (they can take you to Slash/Pierce .9, though, which is quite rare). It's the dragons and dragon-likes that give you huge resists.

Also, don't forget to max out Hunting! With Hunting 100, you can easily get to .5-.6 on most of your resists before you even leave the starting island; the high-level monsters on the second floor of the wintersea keep after very helpful there.

DCSS luring in the experimental trunks makes me want to vomit
Enemies grow in strength if they see you and don't engage immediately, meaning anything you don't splat instantly will get permanently buffed while it waits to kick your ass

>>165149035
>literally punished for not playing otab

are there more roguelikes as accessible as ToME?
i really enjoy tome but i want some veriety. i also quite enjoy cataclysmdda and stonesoup.

>>165150783
DoomRL

>>165150987
played it but im looking for more traditional rpgs.

I like Jiyva

>>165149035

You've let retards spout their bullshit about a non-issue so much so this is what you get. Enjoy your worms.

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fffffuuuuuck there was like a thousand of them.

>>165150783
Qud is getting quite accessible and is very rpg-y with the open world and main quest line.

>>165151610
caves of qud?
alright ill have a look. never tried it before.

>>165151757
Yeah Caves of Qud. Not quite as accessible as ToME4 but a great game and a great gateway to other, more inaccessible roguelikes.

Also, Dungeonmans and Dungeons of Dredmor are even more accessible than ToME4.

>>165151610
>getting raped by death yaks
>as a MiBe

Find a killhole or make one, and then lead them to slaughter. Death yaks are only truly dangerous if you're getting hit by more than 2 of them per turn.

>>165153389
I tried to find a nice spot but got blocked by a Hydra. If I had a blink scroll I would have lived.

I also underestimated them, I thought they'd be more like normal Yaks. First time in the lair.

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>>165142343
This shit is funny.

>>165153816
Vegansidekick is great because it's smug as fuck, on the point, while not being hamfisted.
Vegventures has some high quality smug and "I am silly", but over half of the comics are "I am moral and good! Love and harmony!" and therefore only good for "conversion" or hugboxing.

>>165153816
>if you eat meat you're a cannibal
wait what? Does the lack of proper nutrients cause vegans to lose grip on reality?

Is cataclysm development dead? There wasn't any update since the Kickstarter;

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>DrCj, just getting to level 10 in XL and Dungeon
>Go down
>Erica
>Urug
>Fannar
>5 skeleton warriors
>hill giant

I fucking hate this game.

>>165159212
let it rest in pieces already.

>>165160017
>Erica
>an issue even worth mentioning
the rest of you complaint is valid, though.

>>165159212
Wat? Builds are on average daily.

>>165160115

Erica is real nasty without MR and rPois

>>165160585
No. You are just bad.

>>165160642

I already have more wins than you will ever have in your lifetime

>>165160770
First off,
>being proud of winning the special olympics
secondly, you don't have a single win if you think Erica is challenging when she isn't OoD. XL10 is not OoD, by the way.

>>165159212
There are updates but only useless ones

>>165160115
She's a right pain in the ass for a spellcaster if you don't have a means of sInv or scroll of fog, and I had neither. Trial and error has taught me that waiting for your Searing Ray to kill your enemy while s/he's in melee range is a good way to splat like an egg for breakfast, especially when they can cast Invisibility and Slow and are wielding a branded scimitar.

>>165161129
weren't they going to remove invisibility except from pots?

>>165159212
There's like 2 updates per day m8

>>165161213

Well, they sure as shit haven't by .19, I can see that much.

No pun intended.

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did they remove Sigmund, haven't seen him in a while

>>165160984

You need to OoD your irl brain if you think a unique with a Venom Bolt and Invisibility is not threatening

>>165162387
Again, certainly not by .19 because I just killed the faggot. Maybe in trunk or something, but I don't play trunk.

>>165162387

Well you certainly can't see him if you always splat in D:1

>>165162746
>you certainly can't see him if you always splat in D:1
rude

>>165162586
it really isn't. Having half a working brain means you have the consumables and skills to easily deal with it, provided you're not going to get assraped like the original post was or it's an OoD encounter.

>>165162928

>using consumables for an early dungeon unique

what a shitter

>>165164974
clearly, since >>165162586 thinks it's incredibly threatening, he has no choice but to use consumables.

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11 scrolls of blinking but 0(zero) MR rings, fuck me I hope the elf:3 stash has something.

>>165165315

You forgot the other absolutely free eco-friendly choice, it's called walking away.

>>165165569
careful those scrolls aren't damaged by some faggot elf throwing fireballs.

>>165165631
??? what are you talking about ???

>>165165612
That too, but that's usually just walking away from free exp.

>>165165786
flaming elf faglords

>>165165569
>elf:3 with no MR
grab the elven rune while you're at it

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>>165165948
elf:3 is easy as piss with a killhole and triggering an alarm trap.

I've already cleared vaults 1-4 so any trip to the abyss is nothing at this point, I've already been abyssed twice by these elves already.

I'm more scared of paralysis from ancient liches really, so I want at least some MR before I do depths,V:5 and Zot.

>>165159212
Updates are all to the 'Experimental' version, not 'Stable'.

Im gonna play some Steambad, any advices?

>>165167475
no. Go in blind.

>>165165612
>walking away from a unique who knows Slow before you've found any MR items

Wow, why didn't I think of that, you're a genius...

>>165167475
don't die

if/once you get strong, don't waste time fucking around on the nasty lower levels, just go for the win

eat weird meals

>>165165631
Wait, can elves still destroy your shit with spells? Because I've been Sticky Flamed before and it didn't harm my scroll inventory.

>>165167597
>slow is 100% chance to work without MR
wait what, is this a new thing in .19? That's stupid, they nerf player hexes but buff enemy hexes? What garbage.

>>165167475
The "asian guy" race has the best racial bonus to martial arts

>>165167597

Oh of course, Erica will always cast Slow as soon as she enters your LoS. Damn, why didn't I realize that sooner?

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THANK THE FUCKING LORD, 2 MR RINGS FINALLY GENERATED.

>>165167517
Im still gonna read the help files

>>165167775
>don't die
That's pretty good advice, thank you kind anon. Im a french rogue and ready to splat.

>>165167828

>nerf player buff enemy

this exactly is what the devs are doing right now because according to the local 100k turncount 3 rune shitter with a non-existent winrate, Crawl is 2 ez

>>165168414
>according to the local 100k turncount 3 rune shitter with a non-existent winrate, Crawl is 2 ez
Isn't it the opposite, since all the tavern people who want a harder crawl have won a metric fuckton of games?

>>165168726
it's both; 3 rune otab MiBe-only shitters and the really fucking good MuMo players think crawl is too easy. Anyone in the middle, doesn't.

>>165168896

>really fucking good players

they don't exist

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>>165169509
They exist, but they're such a small minority that they might as well not.

is Force Lance any good?
Playin Deep Elf Conjurer, just got it gifted by Vehumet.

>>165170526

It's not. It just sounds good on paper but it's very bad in practice.

>>165170526
throw icicle>sticky flame>mystic blast>force lance>stone arrow

>>165170526
Decent-ish for felids to gain some distance on faster things in lair and its branches. Other than that it's a waste of space.

>>165170614
Add "I play only real roguelikes" to this.

Real pro-vegan tummy roguelike when?

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two!
Two ice magic manuals!
A! A!

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That was probably the smoothest V:5 entrance I've done, I managed to stairdance the entire welcoming party and then murder most of the stuff in this quadrant pretty fast, the first time that's ever gone to plan.

Just booted up PCB 5.0.3.
What's with the character creation screen downgrade?
I mean, yes, it's colorful and whatnot, but being able to scroll through stuff with the cursor/numpad keys was way nicer than the current forced letter system...

>>165174407
veganism is bad for your tummy

>>165174308
Only if DDA and tome4 are real roguelikes, because they are the best roguelikes.

>>165175550
Fat chaser detected
Get a better fetish

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>when you encounter an "impossibly difficult" legendary bear
>but he's normal speed and doesn't have enough thumbs to use ranged weapons
>and you have sandals of running

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That was easier than expected, 1 less species to win, though it would have been more fun to do a staute troll of chei. Ah well.

So im playing the ctdda after a while using the latest build and i have a problem starting the cars. I found several cars with functional core parts and few percent of fuel and battery but the engine fails to start every time. IS There some kind of treshold for battery charge or fuel to actualy start?

>>165180328
Yes cars need gas and batteries to run.

You can always steal gas and charged car batteries from OTHER wrecks

>>165180328
Roughly 3% of car battery for some of the engines, I think.

warlocks who have a pact with their own race (draconian dragonlock, balrog demonlock, etc) should do half self-damage with death-scythes

>>165180328
There is a battery threshhold that varies by engine. It should tell you how many points of charge it needs in the right pane when it fails to start if that's why it isn't starting. You can get nearly spent batteries from multiple vehicles to add up to enough charge.
There's no threshhold for fuel AFAIK, but if your fuel is low enough that you wondered if that might be a problem then you need to get more fuel. Fuel efficiency is completely fucked right now, even with the huge vehicles mod, to the point that gas and diesel engines aren't even remotely viable. Depending on how fast you go and how much weight you're carrying you might not even be able to drive across a moderately sized city on a full tank.

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So uh
Who imagined that dumb wound system?
I have to recall everytime or use all my monies on consumables, its extremely annoying

>>165180495
>>165180512
>>165187515

well, never mind, the latest build that was just released reverted these vehicle changes.

dead

What should I play next as a Crawlbabby with 2 wins?

Brogue hasn't really held my attention, and the other most commonly posted game ITT (Poschengband) seems like an utter meme.

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Does anybody know about modding Cataclysm DDA? I would like to modify the map generator, but I don't know much...

>>165193519
PCB is fun, give it a try

become the manliest mauler to ever live

>>165193519
Win crawl again but while worshipping xom

>>165193525
Read the developer's guide, or just pay someone else to do it for you.

>>165193519
Sil is also pretty popular in rlg although personally I don't care for it

>>165193519
Win all species in crawl
speedrun crawl

>>165193525
> modify the map generator
Most of the buildings are jsonified so you can override those or create your own as a "mod" but anything more complex is hardcoded.

>>165193519
Play a Sil Edain it will teach you how to git gud

>>165197126
You forgot to add "pacifist vegan". Just edain alone is not hardcore enough.

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Damn, formicids are so bulky. nearly full 20/20/20 defense in lair.

>>165197724
And then you can't go 1vs1 with some manageable but dangerous enemies for whatever reason and you die.
>can't haste
>are strongly incentivized to use shields and heavy armor so UC, the best weapon in the game, is a waste
>their "best" feature is doing what any wand of disintegration can do at the cost of being a Formicid instead of literally anything else but Demigods
>low HP
>susceptible to poison

>>165175494
the screen is worse but having point buy instead of the autoroller is better

>>165187653
what are steam wounds like? is it like HoM's "A BROKEN BACK RENDERS YOU GRACELESS"?