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>Breach league
https://www.pathofexile.com/breach
>2.5 patch notes
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1773975
>Ascendancy Offline Skill Planner
https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree/releases/
>Helpful links
http://pastebin.com/1GThtBUt
>"Hey guys what's the price on this piece of shit item"
http://poe.trade/
>Wiki
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki
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witch FREE
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>Tul shows up in a breach and gives me the old surprise bullet hell
It didn't help that he was standing in a corridor so I couldn't circle him.
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So are map locations in Wraeclast or somewhere else?
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TALAMOANA, WARRIOR
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>>164962465
shit OP
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>>164963186
>mfw this nigger
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Imagine not being softcore, that would be a pain having to redo the level.
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>>164963478
imagine being a shitter in hardcore being scared of a normal breach
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What if I take Arcane Vision with 0 energy shield? Is the radius always maximum since I have full energy shield, or is is minimum since I have 0 energy shield?
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>>164963613
If 0 is your Max, then you're always at max.
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>>164963478
>not opening breaches on top of strongboxes in double beyond maps
fucking casuals
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>>164963613
Why would you ever take that node, it's literally a noob trap.
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For groups is a player playing support actually better than just another damage dealer?
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>>164963828
Wrong, it would literally do nothing
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>I unironically died to full charges Merc Izaro
Holy fuck Uber Izaro with full charges must the unkillable
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>>164963932
I guess, I'd like play aura whore but I have no friends in poe
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>>164964079
full charges 3 essence uber izaro slams harder than core malachai desu
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>>164963005
talamoana, warrior
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>>164964138
>I guess
>I'd like play aura whore but I have no friends in poe
So is it better or not baka
Also post your name we can play
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>>164963828
Okay, thanks.

>>164963921
Duh, I'm passing by it anyway and I'm considering whether 30 accuracy is worth one point. Doing some calculations for it right now.
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>>164964301
>and I'm considering whether 30 accuracy is worth one point.
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>tfw I'll never own a legacy kaom's
Reee
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>>164964442
Welp, I don't know what are values of monster's evasion in late so I'm checking it right now. I suppose it's not worth then?
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>>164964295
n-no anon I'm a turbo autist I cant handle people sorry
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>>164964473
i own a double legacy mjolner
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>>164964621
-_- come on
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>>164964586
nigga you can get like 400 accuracy on a ring, there are 30 dex notes (60 accuracy), i have no idea why you think 30 accuracy on a single node is worth a point, let alone the gear restrictiveness of absolutely zero ES it would impose you
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>>164964719
>400 accuracy on a ring
Okay, I just didn't know the values at all. You convinced me.
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>>164962465
no i still dont like this i should show you how a good op looks
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Tfw Ranger hits on Alira and people STILL don't know she's a lesbian.
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>playing the free version of the game and having fun
>finally buy the full game. price is a bit step but i guess thats what AAA games are worth these days (i remember spending like $120 on ME3 with all its dlcs back in 2013)

I really can't believe people spend hundreds of hours playing the free version, being locked out of trading, with reduced drop rates and with their chars looking like shit.

Surely if you can spare a few hours a day to play PoE you can spare a few hundred bucks as well?
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>>164963118
They are dreams; they can be anywhere but most important, they can be anywhen.
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>>164965406
I knew she was a carpet muncher 10 seconds after she started opening her mouth as if the haircut wasn't a dead giveaway, replace 'life' with 'love' in her introduction speech:

"No love can be owned. Not a deer's. Not a rabbit's. And not mine. Every creature has a birth-given right to love however it will. However it can."
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>reduced drop rates
>
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>>164965467
Solid bait, senpai

Solid
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>>164965571
You're smarter than 99% of the PoE fanbase
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>>164965467
I bought trading, but can't bring myself to spend $30+ on something to make my character not look like shit :(
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>>164963005
TALAMOANA, WARRIOR
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>>164965406
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>>164965406
Ranger is genuinely more annoying than old Scion.
>Is a mouthy cunt who makes dumb comments on everything
>Scion was just borderline insane and kept rambling about her old life
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What is this sorcery? So much talent, I'm speechless
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The meme magic is real
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>>164966227
>Ruri
That explains why.
>Took me a full minute to find Marauder
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I have 14ex and 900 chaos, what build should i do
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daily reminder templar is the best character
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>>164966395
Max Block
Essence Drain
Scion
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>>164966431
Templar has nopants
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>>164966395
Life or ES-based?
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>>164966475
already played ED this league or i would
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>>164966482
exactly
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>>164966523
Max Block
Blade Vortex
Scion
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>>164966395
Trigger gem only build.
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is there any spellbased CI build that does get better when going low-life with the appropriate gear? (lets say best CI vs best LL gear)
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>>164966627
pretty stupid question, since you do not define what "better" means, LL has higher damage ceiling and extra auras, CI has higher ES ceiling, neither is better depending on your perspective
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>>164966496
either, why not do hybrid
>>164966604
cwdt berserker? or what else do you have in mind
>>164966597
scion a shit
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will infernal blow ever be part of a build
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>>164966820
better as in doing endgame content and whatnot
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>Abberath's Hooves
>Min 300C on SC Breach
>Min 200C on Hardcore Breach
What the fuck.
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>>164967140
no, because it lacks critical single target damage, same reason you don't see people with 6l abyssal cry, but 6l DD is viable
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Cyclone - Faster attacks - Melee phys - Fortify - IncAoE/ConcEff

So what the fuck do I put in the 6th link? Added fire? Phys to Lightning? Use both IncAoE and ConcEff together?

Should I just switch to the meme fire axe?
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>>164967195
both can do endgame content and whatnot.
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>>164967140
its actually pretty good now with kitavas feast, you get a 7l and free melee splash so you don't have to go slayer and go go berserker

it will never be a tier 1 skill but you can beat everything except shaper and uber atziri with it and a decent speed
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>>164967438
I know that...
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GOD BLESS YOU ON THIS _THRINE_ DAY, EXILE
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>>164967617
Still sane exile?
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>>164967581
so stop asking dumb questions if you don't want dumb answers, there's never a clear case of "CI is better than LL for spellcasters" or the opposite, it depends on each build, and the 30% more damage of PA + auras isn't necessarily worth losing Infused Shield and 100% chaos resistance, or it might be very well worth it with Eye of Chayula+, it all depends on your perspective/build, end of the line
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>>164967140
I played it till 93-94 last league and i'm playing it again now , it is still mechanically strong and most people underrate it because it has a playstyle that was more fitting in ambush than breach. The only downside is that its namelock and actually melee so in super dense areas you can get mob blocked and you have to put yourself in super high risk areas to deal damage.
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>>164967815
you can get to level 100 vsparking, irrelevant, if you can kill guardians and hard t15s with it, sure but until then you're just a subpar true melee build with a built-in abyssal cry -- kinda lose its appeal when abyssal cry is available to everyone now
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>>164966227
how the fuck they do this
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How much difference does quality on gems make?

And what's the best way to get it? Just buy the gems? Or level them up to 20 (most of my gems are 18 now)?
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>>164967140
Facebreaker IFB was pretty good.
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>>164968107
if you're close to level 20 gems, flip them when they hit 20, if you're leveling a new character, buy quality gems

the difference is generally something like 50% damage for spells, pretty significant considering it's like getting 3-4 nodes of damage over someone with non-quality gems
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>>164967815
im bad at the game and tried doing it this league and struggled to do T1 maps
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>>164966627
SRS is technically a spell.
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>>164968512
How's SRS this league compared to prior leagues?
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>>164965467
>$120 on ME3
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Is there some sort of database or a general thread or something about the lore? I was fascinated about Kaom's monologues about Kitava and the corruption, and the flavour texts in Kitava's Thirst.
And apparently Kitava is an actual island in Papua-New Guinea, maybe there are others?
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>>164966227

They need to change VA for Witch. And 3D face art too.
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>>164968367
get better soon, anon
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>>164966359

What the fuck?
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>>164968662
the entire lore is based around the maoris landing in new zealand
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>>164968620
Easier to gear and use I'd say. You can drop the 6l +3 fire bow for the new Chayula weapon and put your SRS in a +2 minion helm with added chaos damage for poison double-dipping extravaganza at a lesser cost.
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>>164968662

oriath = NZ

wraeclast = australia

its all a thinly veiled anti-australian story
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https://eps1lon.github.io/TreeStats/demos/heatmap-treesvg/

WOW
SUCH BUILD DIVERSITY
MUCH UNIQUE
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>planning a life-based character
>57% increased ES from intelligence
It just feels like I'm wasting it.
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>171% increased life
>45% increased evasion
>no armour
It's not going to work, is it?
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>>164969961
>Switch to top 1326
>Life nodes get reduced in heat and ES nodes + the AoE Cluster in Witch get notably hotter
>All that Heat in Witch Ascendancies
Jesus.
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>>164963138
ayy
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>>164969961
>build archetypes will converge towards the same efficient clusters in the tree
wow, such insight, much reveal
kys reddit
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>>164969961
>Switch to normal Breach, largest variant
>Shadow and Ranger light up
>Inquisitor, Assassin, and Raider flare up like mad
Wow.
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>>164970213
It's fine if you're a shitcrow.
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hc breach is still alive. good for people like me who died and are rerolling :))
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:))
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>>164967415
Add in Life Leech support.
And yeah, you can swith to meme axe any time.
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>>164970514
Considering just doing that since I recently ripped at 42 (lagged and got blocked) and I haven't ever got to maps so maybe I should check lategame stuff in softcore first.
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>>164965829
>Then you read about how she fucked Kalisa ghost
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>>164970318
Yeah this definitely doesn't show that half of the tree is filled with useless shit nobody ever picks.
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>>164969961
The higher you go the more witches you get, at 600 its basically all witches, lmao
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is the California realm getting hiccups or is it just me

looks like my ping is fine on other things?
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this RIP was really disappointing

>start running low tier maps on this char just to see how build is doing. still level 72
>first chayula i find ever
>5 seconds after i open it, while taking no damage at all still, something oneshots me
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>>164969961
>Breach Hardcore has more points in the Templar area than Breach
>But Breach has way more Templar starts
Huh.
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>>164970213
Not unless you have some secondary form of defence, like lightning coil + acrobatics
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>>164971342
>4K Life
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.
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>>164970857
Starting in softcore lets you learn about what's bullshit and how to deal with it without wasting an additional 8 hours leveling every time.
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>>164971475
level 72, using enfeeble and flasks

literally nothing was doing damage to me except something that exploded in pink shit
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>>164971342
>4k life evasion build

o i am kekin
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>>164971342
nigga my siege ballista had more life than that at 72 and i play sc
and ballistas have such a high range you have literally no excuse for why you wouldn't just offscreen breaches
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>>164969961
>Nobody in the Top 3000 of either Hard of Soft Breach took Breath of Lightning
>Literally nobody
Neat.
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>>164969961
>every duelist has the three life leech nodes on the side except me

o-okay
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>>164971190
people are sheep and copypaste what others do, from tree pathing to builds to gear, more news at 11
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>>164971371
Okay, thanks.


Well then, how much evasion would one typically need with 171% increased life? Or perhaps do I need some more life as well? Acrobatics are too far to get them.

>>164971476
Yeah, recently I almost ripped to the explosion from The Burning Man. That felt a little bullshit.
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>>164971627
>nothing was doing damage
>in the parts of the game that don't do damage
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>>164971656
i guess i should go all out on life nodes earlier as eva. i had solid life rolls on all my gear except amulet and one ring that was a doedres

i was even gonna drop one of my life flasks to use another util one given i barely used them
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>Cospri's still sell for over an ex in standard
>40c in breach
So, if I mass buy cospri at the end of league.
Would I be able to profit in Standard?
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>>164972350
one ex in std is pocket change
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>>164972350
>Standard
If you really give a shit about Standard, probably.
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>>164969961
>the higher you go, the fewer marauders, duelists and rangers there are
>life is fine
top kek
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>>164972350
if you care about standard then better buy howaa cause that shit's getting nerfed for sure
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>>164812237
>free
>>164817056
>free
>>164831291
>FREE
>>164868072
>FREE
>>164874175
>free
>>164878003
>free
>>164906284
>FREE
>>164912704
>free
>>164918853
>FREE
>>164921189
>FREE
>>164926048
>free
>>164944891
>free
>>164946279
>free
>>164918750
>F R E E
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>>164972440
>I base my opinion of how viable a form of hp is on how many top 500 (with public profile) choose to play it
k
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>>164972572
>Still 6c even after multiple streamer did build with them
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>>164972923

>he doesnt understand why the build is op
>he doesnt understand a relatively common item can be build-enabling
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>>164972876
>viable? sure.
>efficient? hell no.
Poe is all about efficiency if you don't know that yet, my condolences.
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>>164973104
I know, but I was expecting a Bino's kind of overpricing
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>>164973257
alk was top 5 with a life build

your argument is irrelevant

fall back on your reddit statistics and heat maps, learning how to play the game is overrated
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>>164973385
This retard is still going off about his boyfriend lol
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what were your league starters in breach and how far did they go ?

> life based double totem elementalist
> was insanely good in maps, but too squishy on bosses and breaches
> stopped at lv86
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>>164973445
alk is our guy

go suck reddit's throbbing cock some more about how life needs to be buffed because you're a shitter like >>164971342 and you feel at a disadvantage compared to the CI guys
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I just wasted 40 fusing on a 4-link because I still thought it auto-stopped when it was fully linked.

Literally just blow my brains out please.
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>>164973569
lol
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>>164972876
>get 30 es in 3 points after freeing up a bunch of affixes that don't need to be rolled for chaos resist
life is fine tho
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>>164973846
nothing I haven't read on reddit 30 times already
seriously, is that all you got?
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>>164969961
Yeah, there's totally hidden potential here. New meta coming.
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>>164973569

>a motorbike is faster than a bicycle
>no this one guy i know can go REALLY fast on a bicycle too! but only for a little while..
>therefore bicycles and motorbikes are equal!
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>>164974197
if a bicycle can rival a motorbike speed wise and was on pace of actually outpacing 99.99% of motorbikes if it weren't for a freak accident, maybe you can stop calling it a bicycle

>muh vague top 1500 shitter statistics matter
>but not top 5 per-player basis facts
k
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i like how the GGG intern is trying the old "divide and conquer" in /poeg/ where all opinions that dont agree with the GGG-approved narrative that life == es, are from foreign agents alien to this board
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why does GGG suck so much shit at making good skills, or balancing existing ones

It's so frustrating to try and make a build after playing this game since open beta and having 80% of the skills just be COMPLETE garbage. It's so fucking dumb. Especially melee. Goddamn I hate GGG some times
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i like how retards that siphon content straight out of reddit's ass get triggered when they are called out on their lack of arguments
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>>164964079
You can facetank full charges Izaro with a labrunner Jugger. Can't do conduits or essences on top of that though.
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>>164974531
your """"""argument""" is that life = es only because your steamer bf was doing fine on a life build for a little while before he died like expected

nice, SOLID proof!
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>1k hours played
>still cba getting lvl 90 because i get bored of characters once they hit 82-88
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>>164975187
he died to internet lag, a much less "expected" death than zizaran and other multiple 15k ES CI babbs dying to their own stupidity/misplay

and alk being top 5 is proof, your point? does being top 5 as life somehow holds less weight than top 500 shitters copypasting ES builds? interesting notion, probably why you'll never be good at the game
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>>164974531

>anecdotal evidence should prevail over statistical evidence

>lets ignore the numbers, lets all focus that one guy with a life build who almost did as well as an ES-build once!
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>>164974531
>tips life wheel
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How dangerous is Tul? Can 6,4k life, 6 end charges, Righteous fire memer kill him easily?
I just need to bring a sapphire flask with immune to chill/freeze right?
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>>164975352
>does being top 5 as life somehow holds less weight than top 500 shitters copypasting ES builds?

of course not

but neither it does hold more weight

statistical disparity on the top500 is evidence of efficient-focused people flocking to certain kind of defense, outliers as they may exist, arent representative of the reality of the meta
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Reminder that the whole leaderboard is life at some point so anyone that says life is bad is a dumbass redditor
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>>164975390
statistical evidence based on public profiles and top 500 cutoff is worth about as much as the shit I took this morning

if you're considering about things you can see and objectively judge, such as top 50 or even top 5 guys being life or not, then we can start to talk

moreover, popularity is NOT a proper assessment of the actual power of something, case in point with 1c uniques jumping to 50c next week because a streamer popularized it, did the intrinsic power of said uniques jump by the same factor of 50 in the mean time? or are you essentially basing your opinion based on the very tangible logic "well if so many people play that, it must be good"
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>>164975838
>but neither it does hold more weight
right, top 50 player who by definition are the most efficient of the entire playerbase know less about the game than you and your reddit heat maps, maybe send them a memo next time so they can learn to play the game, you got statistics of top 1500 shitters on your side, they only got game knowledge and skill on theirs
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>>164975850
>well if so many people play that, it must be good"

of course not

but if so many top500 people play it, there must be an underlying reason why they flock to it

>>164976012
did you forget to make an argument or something?
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>>164971632
el meow
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>life is so good we had to introduce a 500 flat life chest
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>>164976280
hi catposter
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>>164971256
>California
wasn't just you, did this go away yet?
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what you redditors dont know is that there are over 200 secret TOP 500 LIFE-BASED players only GGG knows about and they dont make their profile public
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>>164976450
seems to be fine for me now, ye
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>>164976129
>but if so many top500 people play it, there must be an underlying reason why they flock to it
top 500 means nothing, I'm still top 500 in BHC playing a slow ass build that clears maps in 10 minutes and have a solid 1 week of red tier mapping under my belt, if you base your statistics on people like me who are not even remotely close to actually pushing ladder, you end up with the skewed perception you have and sound like a complete fool

>did you forget to make an argument or something?
popularity is not an assessment of balance is my argument, feel free to bring a counterpoint
or you can keep being a retard and keep repeating "it's popular so it must be true"
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>>164976519
>Top 500
Except there's only 20 Life-builds in HC Breach Top 500.
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>>164976280
It was actually 1k
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>>164974001
Meant this retard
>>164971858
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>>164976591
>popularity is not an assessment of balance is my argument, feel free to bring a counterpoint

and im not basing my argument on raw popularity, but on the demo stats of a small subset of the population, the top 500

not everything in the top500 is representative of the state of the game, like you claim not to be, and most likely like the few life builds there arent either

no doubt that the meta right now is skewed into the INT direction affects the choice of defense, but its not the only recent league
where ES was very over-represented in the top500
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>>164977170
the argument is not whether the meta is ES or not, that is undeniable

the argument is whether such a meta is conclusive of an actual imbalance or simply the result of the playerbase (which is composed of 99% of sheep) following the trend, i.e. a self-fulfilling prophecy

I'm not arguing that life builds are "representative of the state of the game" whatever the fuck that means, simply that they're good enough to work end game and any shitter bringing his shitty reddit statistics here is simply beating a dead horse instead of providing actual evidence of imbalance
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Are elemental curses gut? How much resists can monsters have (I guess curses reduce total resists before caps come in unlike penetrations support does)?
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>>164973756
Umm.. It does stop at max links? Or were you trying to 4L a 6S, you fucking retard?
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>>164977604
yes, but they compete with defensive curses

curses reduce total resists
penetration reduces actual resists
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>>164975838
Who is this trouser arouser?
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>>164975791
I did Tul as 3,8k life maxblock gladiator, I even ran out of antifreeze at one point but still managed to kill it quite easily. Definitely easier than Esh and Xoph.
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>>164977539

if people are sheep, why didnt more copy your favorite streamer then?

or now your argument is that a couple streamers dictate what the vast majority of the top500 do now and just happens to be that your favorite stramer isnt one of them?

thats a FAR less compelling argument than the ones demo stats provide. and not even going into how every single downside ES builds were supposed to have, has been either completely or partially mitigated in recent leagues
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Is vaal righteous fire the hardest hitting spell in the game?
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>>164978615
no

Cast on Death is
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any good unique pre-level 30 one handed weapon? im to lazy to search, spoonfeed me friends
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>>164979195
atziri's disfavour
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>>164978481
because alk gives no fucks about what is marketable, doesn't really interact with his stream, while shitters like ziz "thank you for the subscribe :D" aran will play CI builds because that's what people want to see? as I said, self-fulfilling prophecy

because big EHP numbers instead of proper playstyle + mitigation is easier on the sheep mind? hehe I have 15k ES I'm invincible xD let me step on this vaal DD because CI is o-ver-po-we-red whoops, forgot my vaal Discipline I died :(

because reddit's voting system promotes a select few streamers and viable life builds tackling end game content get 50 upvotes?

really, the reasons don't really interest me at the end of the day, it's a PvE game, not a PvP one. if you wanna follow the meta, go ahead, if not, you're probably fine too as long as you know what you're doing.
the playerbase decides on the meta, but the meta is not conclusive wrt balance issues, imagine a MOBA or RTS being "balanced" around strategies followed by silver players instead of grandmasters?
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>>164979364

you can have big EHP and play properly and have mitigation

there is no mutually exclusive clause that says only shitters can play ES builds

and you, for being the one who claims we are echoing reddit's opinions, seem to be the one extremely aware on how reddit operates, much more so than most of us

your problem is that you believe your favorite's streamer one near-succesful life build is way more representative of state of the game than it really is
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>>164979195
essences mah nigga
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>>164979779
>you can have big EHP and play properly and have mitigation
a select few builds can achieve this but they're a very small subset of the CI group, which mainly consists of big EHP buffer + VP sponge playstyle which tends to be failproof until you can't leech or misplay, but that's not really what the whole life vs CI debacle is about, is it?

>and you, for being the one who claims we are echoing reddit's opinions, seem to be the one extremely aware on how reddit operates, much more so than most of us
your point? your argument boils down to what reddit repeats all the time and I'm calling you out on it, because here I can do it and you can't downvote me just because you disagree you fucking idiot

>your problem is that you believe your favorite's streamer one near-succesful life build is way more representative of state of the game than it really is
alk is no way "representative" of anything, nor did I ever make him out to be, he's simply a good example of what you can achieve when you use your own head and game experience instead of listening to what reddit dictates is good/viable/efficient

for the last fucking time, the "representation" is not indicative of balance, just because 80% players pick option A instead of B doesn't mean A or B is imbalanced, simply that A has more raw appeal, whether you consider that to be an issue is only tangentially related to b a l a n c e
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>>164978683
With what?
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>>164978683
just finisheshed my shit. also cod isnt a viable spell even if it was.
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>>164977539
>>164978481
Hardcore players do whatever they deem the most safe build. Of course there are some who are doing some more unique builds with the new unique items or some older builds (like earthquake, warchief totems) that are a bit weak right now.

As for life vs ES, as long as you can bypass ES weaknesses (status ailments, stun and energy shield recharge) it's utterly broken. Vaal pact + ghost reaver is just completely broken and it's retarded its still in the game and wasn't removed in 2.5 even though I made a post on forums and reddit saying that it's completely broken and has to go.

The nature of vaal pact + ghost reaver makes it so that with the largest HP pool possible because you're using ES, you also have the most insane defense in the form of insane leech once you get in damage.

Some nerfs to ES and small buffs to life are needed, it was said before 2.5 even went live. Balance team is just oblivious to the state of game as usual. Everyone called it that people would abuse flameblast totems and CI. Everyone knew there would be some imba build using vaal pact + ghost reaver + CI facetanking shaper a few days into the league.

This game has pretty big balancing issues.
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>>164973462

Blade Flurry Assassin. Now almost decked out in good gear - almost. Reached lvl 90, probably will keep playing and leveling.

>>164974474

Well, GGG forces meta to RMT on it. Nothing surprising there. Also, because new skills are like frsh bones thrown to stray dogs. Nothing surprising there either.

PoE needs a significant rebalance, but GGG dont want to do that. They are happy with current state of affairs.

>>164974385

Get the fuck out of here you soviet bastard.
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>>164973462
Earthquake slayer

Very strong, very good but falls off in t14+ and requires massive investment to play there in hardcore leagues. ES is just too good at the moment, and if ES was nerfed to the point life is better I would probably make a build to farm t11-14 since the XP difference between them and T15-16 isn't that big anymore.

>>164974474
Melee is one skill at this point, maybe 2 if you count blade flurry. The only 2 viable skills are earthquake and blade flurry for melee. That's it. The damage values of other skills on a 2h besides earthquake are at best 60-70% as efficient, but with waaaay worse AoE.

I don't really get it either, there are a few skills that are just sooo much better than anything else that is similar. It's not just with melee look at some spells as well. You have stuff like blight, lightning tendrils, freezing pulse, EK (now completely obsolete compared to blade flurry and blade fall), ice spear, glacial cascade, arc , they all are very bad and it's nigh impossible to make a good build with these skills for t12+ maps. Why even bother using these skills if they're 30% as efficient as flameblast?
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I never killed shaper what's a good build that shreds guardians if you're bad?
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>>164974385
If the only real viable lfie build is getting +270% life, a kaom's and life on everything then maybe life is garbage. Because that's where the current game balance is at, at the moment.

I also partly blame atlas of worlds, which made the game much more difficult so the differences between lfie and ES are very obvious.
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>all this text on an imageboard

sh*tbirds and ethnic redditors out
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>>164980504
>but that's not really what the whole life vs CI debacle is about, is it?

the whole argument is about what is better

and i merely pointed out the fallacy in believing mitigation and good gameplay and mutually exclusive with es

>your point

my point is the only redditor here seems to be you

>alk is not representative of anything and my thesis that life is balanced compared to es doesnt completely hinge on him

kek
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>>164981993
The hand of action and wisdom build. Good thing it also shreds the shaper if you're not experienced with him.
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>almost 1700 hours
>finally cave and buy a currency tab + a tab bundle
>one of my old tabs full of random essences dissapear after buying

T-thanks GGG.
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>>164982486
Remove only tabs become regular tabs when you buy a set, which is probably what happened.
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>>164981930
Melee is in such a bad place man.
>Heavy Strike hits a single target for 196% of your Weapon's Damage
>Earthquake hits targets in a modest AoE for 110% of your Weapon's Damage
>And then it hits everything in a good AoE for 165% of your Weapon's Damage
>Assuming both hit, that's 275%, 79% more than Heavy Strike with a single hit
>Because it's natural AoE, you also don't need to be right next to the thing you wanna hit, unlike Heavy Strike
>Heavy Strike can't benefit from Less Duration, which is a great % More Modifier
>Instead, Heavy Strike needs Melee Splash to do any clearing
>Which causes anyone that isn't the initial target to take 25% Less damage from your Attack
Etc. I don't see how they can recognize that as balanced in any light.
>Glacial Cascade is just an outright better Glacial hammer sans Status Ailments (that'll only last a microsecond in maps versus anything you want to actually Freeze)
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>>164982789

Earthquake was tested internally in order to make it rough equivalent to a less "attack speed-oriented" Cleave.

And heavy strike is better than Cleave so heavy strike is better than EQ going by pure logic.

You are wrong.
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>>164982242
>the whole argument is about what is better
and who are you to decide that?

CI + VP doesn't encourage "good gameplay", it encourages literal facetanking, there's not strategical approach here, actually trying to be cute and strategical gets you killed far more often than just standing you ground, popping your vinktar's and holding right click hoping that you outleech damage

this braindead strategy is for obvious reasons very popular with sheep which tend to flock to CI because they want to lobotomy inducing playstyle of CI VP, at no point is mitigation ever a concern past playing piano with your 2-5 flasks

and that's fine and good, but where the logic fails is when you imply that all the others alternatives are wrong or not viable, which makes you a shitter who has no say or what needs to be balanced or not since you have such a one-dimensional understanding of the game

>my point is the only redditor here seems to be you
I go on reddit because the good poe content is posted there, doesn't mean I agree with their echo chamber and fucktarded opinions on balance you fucking imbecile

>>alk is not representative of anything and my thesis that life is balanced compared to es doesnt completely hinge on him
alk is not a superhuman or someone who elevated himself way above the playerbase who 99% of the time can't make a life build work because it's inherently weak, the example is there to show you your entire perception of the game balance is just that, perception, not factual since it only takes one guy with a cookie cutter EQ build to prove you wrong
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>>164982686
I still have 2 remove-only tabs left from previous leagues, but the tabs I had dedicated to essences are suddenly gone.
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>Heavy Strike is better than Cleave
Then why do more people use Cleave over Heavy Strike?
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>>164983031
yhea "logically". but who fucking gives a shit about logic when its clearly fucking worse if you've ever played a heavy strike build youd know that
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>>164982789
If you want an even more simple explanation you can just use this graphic.

What GGG really needs to do is
>Determine what no# of creeps classifies as aoe
>Scale single target relative to loss of aoe
>If an aoe skill hits 4 guys, a single target skill should do 4x damage
> nerf melee splash so it makes up the difference

Like heavy strike should do like 400% more damage but have a negative attack speed modifier, so it is mechanically "heavy" and balance out the fact that high attack speed destroys the skill.
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>>164983073
>and who are you to decide that?

im just an anon who plays. just like you.

and you are going heavy handed into logical fallacy territory by trying to emphasize gameplay approaches that ES "encourages", instead of focusing on gameplay approaches that are simply in the table as possible, and those aren't any different possible from those that life builds provide as well; AND THIS FACT makes ES is better than Life and that is the entire point of the argument

>i only go on reddit bb-b-bbecause...

lol?

>alk this alk that

he seems to be VITAL to your argument given the lack of demo stats to back you up, so one has to believe you think there is something special about him so that we should weight more heavily than in this discussion.
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>>164982789
I think glacial cascade was GGG's idea of a better freezing pulse but it's still bad. The cold spells are just bad.

Some of the lightning ones are horrid as well. Most fire skills are very strong.

Ice Crash was supposed to be a better version of glacial hammer. But if you compare ice crash to Earthquake, Earthquake has a better AoE, no attack speed reduction and is 100% physical (which means you won't get screwed pver as much by enemy resistances). Ice crash is like 50% as efficient as earthquake. On top of that it has less AoE.

It's not even hard for GGG to address this issue, just outright buffing ice crash will solve it, removing attack speed penalty, increasing its AoE or removing the penalty on the radius. Same goes for groundslam, if the damage and AoE is increased these skills can work.

But as of right now there is no real reason to go anything else than earthquake. If ice crash was 90% as efficient (still worse) you still had a possible option to make a build with it that might outperform earthquake or where you benefit from the cold damage part. But if it's only around 50% as efficient as earthquake that just isn't possible.

>>164983031
Logically you look at the damage values of a skill, the area of effect and then potential other factors.
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>>164983589
I still say having Heavy Strike's Threshold Jewel change it into a Channeled Skill.
>The longer you hold it down, the more stacks build up, release for one big hit
>One shot any boss that doesn't stage
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see you in diablo 3 poetards

>path of life/es nodes
>es 2x better than life
>armor and evasion are worthless
>billion of shit items and drops - loot filter required
>worthless uniques
>worthless skill gems

>worthless ascendancies

lmaoing are your game
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>>164983696
>he seems to be VITAL to your argument given the lack of demo stats to back you up, so one has to believe you think there is something special about him so that we should weight more heavily than in this discussion.
he was top 5 with a life build, on pace of being top 2 or 3 if it weren't for his ISP killing him, no logout macro either

but that holds less weight than statistics about how top 500 players tend to flock to the braindead playstyle of CI VP, you're right, we need to start balancing games around the common denominator, because why assume anything else but balance issues if one option is more popular to players than the other?
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>hi I would like to buy your [shit item] for 1 chaos
>invite him
>guy just stands there declining my trade
>doesn't say anything
>leaves pt

lol?
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>>164984141
How anyone can play that game for more than 10 hours is beyond me. D3 feels like a game made in such a way that even people who never touched a compute can clear all content in 20 hours.
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>>164984141
forgot your cat picture
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PoE truths REDDIT doesn't want you to know:

1. ES is no better than Life.
2. Non-crit isn't much worse than Crit.
3. Channeling skills are very fun and the reason why this league has been successful.
4. Melee is perfectly good. Most people play melee builds (bflurry, spectral throw, eq) and that is a sign that melee has been successfully balanced.
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>>164984141
Sorry, but Diablo 3 is still worse than Path of Exile.
>Same shit is overpowered every Season, same shit is still total trash every Season
>Welfare Set for one of the builds they made overpowered every Season for free
>You only need to worry about 2 Stats on gear and most gear comes with at least 1 of them
>The only redeeming factors are that it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to respec and the alt levelling which is actually enjoyable a few times
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>>164984402
st isn't melee though. BF is melee in name only.
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How does ignite work? Wiki says it deals 80% of original hit over duration and can be affected by some modifiers that affect the initial hit as well. Is the hit considered base damage for ignite and thus make modifiers to ignite stack multiplicatively with modifiers to the initial hit?
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>>164984591
If Blade Flurry is melee in name only, so is Spooky Toss.
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>>164984632
No, it simply means modifiers that affect both the initial hit and the subsequent ignite effectively "double-dip", those include generic damage, elemental damage, and fire damage.
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>>164984632
deal 100 damage of fire
ignite deals 80% of that over 4 second so 80/4, 20 damage for 4 seconds'

okay add in a simple 10% modifier
110 fire damage
80% of that is 88
that ignite damage also gains more modifier
88*1.1

96.8 damage over 4 seconds
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>>164984402
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>>164984204

Even ignoring all the building quirks that allow you to churn out more "complete" ES builds that are both able to survive more and do more damage; the fact that ES is generally perceived to be more ""fun""" to play by the mindless masses would be a valid reason to balance life and make it more attractive.
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>>164984732
Spooky Throw is literally a projectile attack. Blade flurry at least has a melee tag.
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>>164984402
>melee builds (bflurry, spectral throw,
retard
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>>164984959
I can't use Spectral Throw without a Melee weapon.
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>>164984402
retard
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>>164984402
How is life better if you can just go CI ES Vaal pact. You can this way get like 3k more without vaal discipline and like 13k more with. If you compare someone with like 7.8k life to someone with 10.8k ES.

But ES also allows easy access to the cheat code that is called vaal pact. Combined with ghost reaver it makes you pretty much unkillable.

Fully agree on non crit part because of the way how you can double dip.

Disagree on melee since blade flurry isn't really melee, spectral throw is not melee at all and earthquake.. well on my earhtquake slayer character the aftershock covers around 4/5 of a screen, it has more range than my arc character.

Those skills are more like ranged melee, which is why they're used frequently.
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>>164979195
Lakishu's blade is pretty great.
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>>164981095
all they have to do is expand the "life regeneration has no effect" part of vaal pact into "no life regeneration and energy shield recharge"
or just slap a "50% less maximum energy shield" line on it and call it a day
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Shitter here
What does HoWA and MTX stand for?
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>>164983739
This would be pretty great, until the mob moves out of melee range
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>>164977657
It doesn't stop at 4-link anymore you turbo nerd. Go read the patch notes on Orb of fusing.
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>>164985603
Hand of Wisdom and Action, a unique claw dropped by the lightning bitchlord, Esh

Microtransaction, includes p2w things like premium tabs or cosmetics
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>>164985603
Hands of wisdom and action
Microtransaction
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>>164984865

IDK if its fun, but it was hell for me to level with and to leach through VP+GR as chaos incinerate. Ofcourse though, i am missing atleast 100% chaos dmg from tree.

Where is that shitty vanguard belt. Where is evasion belt? Where are armor/eva/dodge/sp dodge belts and mods? They have that shitty Crystal belt, be we, life-evasion-dodge, have nothing.

Unique belts that give dodge/sp dodge, fortify, and IR would be nice.
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>>164984482
you forgot worse lore
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>>164984204
>but that holds less weight than statistics about how top 500 players tend to flock to the braindead playstyle of CI VP, you're right


But that is correct. You do balance around statistical data which demonstrates a preponderance of a certain type of build. Why should GGG balance around one poop-socking streamer as a better alternative?

you're literally advocating balancing around an edge case scenario where "life is good lol", and saying that going by the populous is not the way to balance

Get your fucking head out of your ass you hypocrite
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>lvl 68 Vaal Regalia is your main ES buffer - no need to level up to buff your base health
>All ES nodes are in the top and topright side of the tree, easy pathing
>INT gives ES %, STR is only flat, easily 50-70% increased ES just from this, something that would be insane on Life if STR did the same
>15% more to ES with CI and immunity to Chaos Damage of course - people rarely cap Chaos resistance in the first place
>Higher EHP without damage mitigation/avoidance than Life - you can spec solely into ES as your defense
>Lack of health flasks open up slots for power utility and unique flasks
>ES circumvents the negative to Vaal Pact while being able to top off ES casually without waiting for the regen timer.
>can tank blows which would OHKO 7k life
>Vaal Discipline makes you unkillable
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>>164985861

the lore is fine. high-concept fantasy and a bit too soapy but serviceable

poe lore in-game is fine, if not better. but the writing and plotting on the comics was god-awful
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>>164985148
It does not have the melee tag. It is not melee.
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>>164985725
>>164985757
Thanks for clearing this out.
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>>164983718
>The cold spells are just bad. Some of the lightning ones are horrid as well. Most fire skills are very strong.

no
the spells themselves are mostly fine. the problem is how elemental status aliments work.
>chill
mediocre and inconsequential 99% of the time
>freeze
straight up won't work against any enemy that it would actually be useful against, and for the shit it does work against you dont need it. useless.
>shock
strong in theory, rather lackluster and disappointing in practice. but at least it's useful against magic packs, so it's not all bad.
>ignite
double dip memes and the ridiculousness of prolif makes this so much better than the other elemental aliments, it's fucking pathetic. this effect single-handedly makes fire spells 20 times better than frost and lightning.
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>>164984402
Wrong
Right
Right, but for the entirely wrong reason
Right, but
>melee
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would vile bastion be "good enough" to survive as a CI totemer?

not using xirgils
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asks a Zenyatta main anything
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>>164986094
Then why can't I use it with a fist, a bow, or a wand?
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>>164986023
>You do balance around statistical data which demonstrates a preponderance of a certain type of build.
No. The fact that something is meta or preponderant is not relevant because there could be multiple cross-factors explaining it, none of them indicating actual balance issues.

You never balance around the lowest common denominator, just like you don't balance MOBAs or RTS, PvP games that have legit concerns about "balance" because the PERCEPTION of lower-to-midskill players (which tends to fall in the bracket of top 500-top 1500 of a league) is completely irrelevant when it comes to balance.

Numbers like how what % of life/es builds completed 120+ atlas maps, or what % of life/es builds are still alive after level 95, or what % of life/es builds are above X million exp/hour at Y level, etc. could be relevant but those metrics are not available to anyone but GGG, you're just a shitter jerking off statistics some redditor pulled out of public profiles, go beat the dead horse where it likes to be beaten.

>you're literally advocating balancing around an edge case scenario where "life is good lol"
I'm not.

I'm saying your PERCEPTION of balance is irrelevant, and is in this case, easily proven wrong. this isn't an "exception confirms the rule" case, alk was solo, didn't get handouts from his viewers, didn't get handouts from his guild, didn't get carried by a support and was top 5, something that should be considered virtually impossible even with all the poopsocking in the world if life was somehow so unviable boohoo please buff it GGG I can't survive end game content without 15k EHP.

There's only 2 options here. Either you admit alkaizer is a demi-god, better than the rest of us, capable of such feats like making shitty life viable, or you admit that if he could do what he could, then life is comparable and viable for end game, efficient enough to be top 5, and there's nothing to really fix except your fucking PERCEPTION.
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>>164986856
>there could be multiple cross-factors explaining it
leech got nerfed
non-spell builds are expensive to gear
witch has pizza
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price check breach sc? i posted this before but i put lightning attack damage

somebody offered 8ex but i think it might be better than that

new to crafting but i think you could even get energy shield too
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does anyone have the jewel corruption challenge cheat sheet?
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>>164986856
It's like you started poe last month, kek.
GGG only works with imbalances, they want it, they control it.

The cycle of nerfs and buffs ever since beta always goes this way

>life->hybrid->CI->life

They know pretty well ES is an unbalanced mess when anyone who hits 9-10k ES (which is not hard) can pretty much face tank Shaper but they're not gonna fix it now especially when the next update will expand the tier of life rolls and the tree will get touched again.
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Is there any way to complain about missing tabs ingame or do I really have to mail them/make an account on poe.com?
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>>164984779
>>164984840
Okay, now I'm a little confused.
Is that example with '10% more' modifier? With '10% increased' would that be 110 and 100*0.8*1.2 = 96 respectively?
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>>164986718
Because the weapon restriction thing is merely a flavour thing, no sane game designer would make a skill about throwing your fucking bow around.
Blade flurry has the tag, it's melee.
Spectral Throw does not, it's not melee.
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>>164985592
No they really have to address the way that vaal pact works. It has been broken since from when it existed. It would be better for the game's health if it was just removed completely.
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>>164987602
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>>164986856
>I'm saying your PERCEPTION of balance is irrelevant, and is in this case, easily proven wrong.
>Using a single anecdote as solid evidence against a large population sample

>There's only 2 options here. Either you admit alkaizer is a demi-god, better than the rest of us, capable of such feats like making shitty life viable, or you admit that if he could do what he could, then life is comparable and viable for end game, efficient enough to be top 5, and there's nothing to really fix except your fucking PERCEPTION.

You are conflating "viable" with "balanced". It's possible to reach end game with any build. That does not make all builds equivalent from a balance perspective

You are further cherry picking an example where one individual was successful and claiming this a better representative than a statistically significant trend within the game, as well as meta data which demonstrates ES is greater than life.

You then go on to state that life and ES are in fact not equal but reneg and say "comparable", perhaps unconsciously admitting your own academic dishonesty but not wanting to admit that you are wrong and completely off base for trying to support a position with one case of success.

Your perception of balance is equally skewed given the fact that you think one case has equal statistical merit or is any more worthy of discussion than the position that "reddit" has taken when describing the situation.

Again, you're just as equally retarded, if not more so, for believing your position has any more statistical merit than some population data.

If you have no other argument other than "Lol you're stupid and wrong cuz look what this streamer did," than youre really in no position to claim anyone else's argument is without merit
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>>164987412
I remember this 100 Int Amulet.
8 Exalted is a good amount. I wouldn't pass it up.
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god damn it

Also I just realized I have 1/10 for the vaal area boss, so is my best option here to simply wiki them and find their appropriate zone to spawn then roll them nonstop? Just how often do corrupted area spawn in their specific zone?
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>Still replying to that guy that won't stop talking about his boyfriend

Why
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>>164987813
thanks famalamadingdong
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>>164986856

You are the one propping up your bf streamer as some sort of god. Saying he only died because of lag,as if he would have not possible die in any other die (which he often does).

Thinking GGG should ignore statistics and only base their assumptions on outlier cases is likely what got us into this spot.

and its strange you claim to know the difference between pvp and pve balance, because you are clearly advocating for a pvp-balance situation on a pve game, where perception is what fuels build diversity and not actual direct results
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>>164987896
Put sac fragments in the map device you fuck.
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>>164987896
shore map
boss summons a spirit at 50 and 25% life (just kill him slowly)
ez
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>>164988051
what, I was unaware of this
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Just started playing, what is the shooty-noob -friendly class? Any guides?
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>>164988060
thanks for the tip
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this seems almost good for howa builds. Too bad about the mana/armor roll though.
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>>164988152
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>>164988340
I'm actually searching on the wiki for the info and see nothing, where did you get this? As you can see I'm back after a break of several leagues
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>>164987767
increased would be 110*0.8, 88 burn damage

and that's just it

more modifier applies itself to burn AGAIN
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>>164987829
>You are conflating "viable" with "balanced". It's possible to reach end game with any build. That does not make all builds equivalent from a balance perspective
Nor should they be. "Balance" in a PvE game is a vague and worthless term that certainly doesn't imply all builds should be created equal.

>as well as meta data which demonstrates ES is greater than life.
It demonstrates it's more popular, nothing more. Whatever you choose to extrapolate from that is your own problem. Blade Vortex is probably even stronger this patch than it was in 2.4 yet it is considerably less popular. Isn't this a case where the absolute "meta data" should inform you it's now a dumpster trash skill?

>You then go on to state that life and ES are in fact not equal but reneg and say "comparable"
They're comparable in terms of being able to complete end-game content which is all you need be concerned about from a balance perspective. I give zero shits about what's "better" or not because certain builds function better as ES than life so trying to compare the two defenses rather than builds themselves is rather idiotic and misleading.

>Your perception of balance is equally skewed
I don't concern myself with what's popular with the top 1500 bracket, I concern myself with what life builds have achieved, which is everything ES builds have, any cry of imbalance only has any merit if one archetype is locked out of a content which is currently not the case.
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>>164988475
nvm found it
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>>164987884

he went up to 9ex, seems pretty eager to buy...
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>players are cursed with temporal chains
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>>164988796
Well then, it's your call.
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>>164963138
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>open a "no regen" Chateau by msitake
>find Zana
>with her portals and the map portal, mana to kill everything, including the boss, and still have portals left
Took like 15 minutes but damn that was something
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>>164989072
manage*
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>>164966170
this is why witch is best girl. marauder is 2nd best girl.
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>>164989268
>tfw no more "life is fleeting"
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>>164988309
no ES roll, and i dont think it can be crafted on.

its on par with astramentis though
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Name a SINGLE arpg, past or future, better than Path of Exile: Atlas of Worlds, I fucking dare you
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>>164988817
WORST MOD, NOT EVEN GOOD Q/R/P BONUS
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>>164987896
I just farmed those challenges, I had to run catacombs in A3 maybe 40 times to get the spawn. Others were found just by leveling, doing full clear.
So, it won't take very long exactly but it's tedious as fuck to run the same maze-like low level area that many times.
So check the wiki and start farming, might take 5 minutes or might take 2 hours.
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>>164989580
......... or buy the prophecy that triggers a vaal area and save yourself 3 hours with 1c ......... just an idea though .........
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>>164989381
Yeah it's definitely not optimal but I guess I still could sell it for a couple chaos.
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>>164988264
Spectral Throw
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>>164989580
Well I'm still pretty new to the game and I don't know about the prophecies about vaal side areas, which are about a side area and which are about generic map fragment area.
But I did make good money with the drops while running Catacombs, so not really any harm done other than some time lost. Got 2 divines, 5 chaos and 6 fusings I think.
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>>164988264
Frost Blades Ranger
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>>164977539
>life builds are "good enugh"
>if you use a specific unique item to give you more life than you could ever get without using it
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just who IS this projectpt guy?! he really makes you think!
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>>164989071
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>>164990505
ironic shitposting is still shitposting
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If you don't play hardcore exclusively, you may as well just leave this thread right now.
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>Kill the Pale Curt (first time for me, thanks Hand of memes)
>Not Reach was dropped that day.
Can I sell Breath of the Council for something(has max chaos roll)
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*stays in the thread*
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>>164990709
make me
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>>164986509

Its garbage.
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>>164990709
got bored of hcssf so i started playing mathil builds on sc, good stuff
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*plays with puppies on stream in the thread*
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>>164990773
about one exalt on the only league that matters

seeing as you're a ci babby who didn't play until after prophecy, probably nothing in shitcore league
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>doing a blade flurry crit build
>realize its not upgrading or running because of lack of int
>go over the tree again
>doesnt pick up int and is too far away from almost any
>check the guys gear
>+72 int gloves for 600-700chaos
>alt+f4
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So right now I'm lifebased Inquisitor Firestorm cause I started late in the league (BSC), what fast AOE clear builds are there for maps?
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>>164991053
if only there was a way to convert dex into int in the tree and get 50-70 int from a single jewel slot

would be pretty neato methinks
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>>164991180
CI vaal spark
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>>164991180
crit detonate dead is pretty hot atm
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>>164989963

Double or tripple worth than that of Astramentis.
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>>164991258
that is neat
2c for the strength one and 10c for the dex one
ty
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>>164991180
Cospris Discharge and Vaal Spark are the fastest.
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>>164991302
See, I want to do a CI build but isn't it super expensive, I'm stupid poor cause I don't know hwo to make money in this game
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why is my elreon saying i've "already attempted this daily mission today" when it's the first time i talk to elreon today and i'm pretty sure i didn't fuck up an elreon mission last night
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>>164991897
that is irrelevant to the question you asked
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>>164991970
Because you were dropped on your head a lot as a child
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>>164992191
but it's not funneeeehh

i should be able to remember this but i don't what the fuck
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why are there so many dummies in the thread right now
>>
redditors
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LOL someone just entered my portal what the fuck?

went after him but i couldn't find him XD is he hiding from me??
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great meme, discord

repost it 500 times and you may get a laugh out of me
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>>164992343

You mean >>164992960 and the like?

Remember ye sinners! "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots, who mistakenly believe that they are in a good company." - D.

REPENT!
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Malachai, my allegiance is to the Empire, to PURITY
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hello i'm a new player

what are some builds that are fast and cheap and can do uber atziri?
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>>164994052
Arc
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>>164991627
you're kidding right
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this worth anything?
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>>164993634
>*pardons Malachai*
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>>164994439
2ex
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>>164994439
worth as much as your contribution to this thread
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>>164994184
>fiddle in path of building
>assassin dual void batteries arc
>9 power charges, 700% crit multi
>dps on par with prolif flameblast at 10 stages according to path of building
>make the build a reality
>takes 3 shots to kill dried lake whites

ayy
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wtb cruel dom kill 5c
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lf nemesis sextant mod
will tip :)
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im a cyclone meme raider but wondering why my health is low, my build
poeurl.com/Zsg

5.3k hp but the ppl in guides have 5.5k+
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hi poeg

i'm playing slam totems and my single target damage sucks bad

how can i fix this
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>>164995491
get a better weapon

a cheap and affordable option is atziri's disfavour

you're welcome
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>>164995358
you need more life on tree
231+7% is not nearly enough for a melee build, I got 256+28% on my ranged build
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>>164995821

any suggestions on what i can change for more hp ;o
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>>164995491
just get a cheap voidheart and a low roll disfavour for few c
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>>164996089
damage
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>>164996089
6 points for a frenzy charge doesn't sound like a great deal to me
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>>164996135
>>164995632
fuck off sh*tcrows
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>>164989552
LostArk is already better than PoE will ever be or has been

but you gggcucks will play this dead shitfest no matter what
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>>164996856
It is flashy but that is all there is.
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>>164996579
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>>164996856
>game that hasn't released yet and it's probably region locked for asians
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>>164986509
Kills by totems/minions doesn't work for Vile Bastion

t. someone who learned the hard way
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this game has the worst fucking trading system I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing. first its some dumb chink, then it will be some retarded russian and then you get the actual english speaker but he has fucking autism and does this shit. wheres the fucking auction house already?
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>>164997803
reddit: the post
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>>164997276
I bet it'll be completely pay to win shithole like every other korean shitfest attempt of a game

hey look, it has some good ideas, look great, could be a good game, if only it wasnt for retarded publishers and their cash shop addiction mechanics
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ok so i spent small loan for this stuff, i know it's not meta af but do you guys maybe have any idea for a thorn build? i still can reset all my passives. I have all types of marauders on high lv
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>Find an Exalted Orb and a Cospri's Will 10 seconds afterwards

>Exalt prices are going down and Cospri's are at 30c

When I finally think I've got lucky, the economy comes in and slap me in the face.
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>>164998459
Either The Surrender for lvl 30 reckoning, or Thousand Teeth Temu for 1.000 physical reflect.
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>>164998459
What about the shield which reflects 1-1000 damage on block?
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>>164999343
>>164998868
yeah, i have it in my stash, just 4got to mention it
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So uhhh
Shouldn't it be
HoWaA?
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tell me a good low life build, anything is fair game
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>>164999927
blight cwc poison vortex
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>>165000064
disgusting
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>>164998459
I think your best bet for this would be some kind of max block facebreaker build, The Surrender and gladiator would be ok and just use Reckoning to fuck people up
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>>164981930
what i thought blight was /ourskill/ now
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>>164995821
> went from needing around 200-220% life in 2.0 to needing 270%+ for a life build in 2.4
> It still isn't enough to really be save
> Meanwhile energy shield got chain buffed for the last 7 patches or so

Even Blizzard doesn't fuck up balance this badly.
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>>165000986
2.0 didn't have t16 maps, kid
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>>165000000
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I wish softcore had a better economy. The economy is the only reason I play hardcore, but losing everything because GGG servers repeatedly shit themselves is so frustrating.
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>>164994305

Good luck finding Astra with good WED and some resists.
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>>165001759
but you don't lose anything, just keep playing lol
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>>165002071
>spend 1000c on gear
>server starts lagging
>log out with full HP
>end up in standard
really makes you think
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>>165001759
>>165002367
>I want to have the cake and eat it
hardcore has a decent economy precisely because 1000c characters get their rear bent every day
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>>165000986
>270% life

I want to get off the meme
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>>165001759
this wouldnt happen if you'd bought more stash tabs
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zizboi streaming
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>>165002558

life is as good as es

the trick is stacking %270-%350, which anyone can do and is quite easy
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>>165003029
who the fuck cares, shill
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>>165003358
xd
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>>165003029
>watching hardcuck streamers
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>>164996856
>flashy chinkshit
yeah ok bro
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>there's still no way to make buy orders for commodities
buying essences is suffering
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>want to farm up 2 to 4ex by tomorrow to buy atziris disfavour for my birthday tomorrow.
>secret keeps disconnecting me every other map so I can't even uber lab if I wanted to.

Kill me
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Ive reached the conclusion Acro is a noobtrap

Vgrace is fine tho.
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>>165002558
lmao just use this chest piece that has no resist and no sockets, ez
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>>165004589
>and that costs the same as a 5l 700 es chest
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LOOK!

It are redditors who don't even know the proper command to sell like 600 jewellers in 10 seconds to a NPC! Look and laugh! Hahahahahhahaha!
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>>165004706
>>165004589
1000 life Kaoms when?

I'd rather see them buffing existing life nodes though, or adding some life to some offensive wheels.
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>>165004926
it used to be 1k

but it was deemed """""too good"""

in STD there still are legacy 1k life kaoms around
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>>165002558
This is the average softcore low life build:

http://poeplanner.com/AAQAAP0UMwB8uR0V7Irw6UbEgsqQhNlHfr02ZU2-p6mUh2p4eqknhO_awXTtBS1679NvouoS4V4TIVXcPQd1wKYs-4oiJyDvTmFShmCS0C5TOlK8nxiR_EsUTQ48FHHZfIIH8kH46_PdaGW77ZHO6hh2rM9-rY3ZYYVS6wk5DgmWl3nkUVBH7w4UIF8_9kiMzz38WGNR5ndTOzuexfcycql82cT2r6cczitQDc3-VMauPC2DX4PMtz7-Cti98kU64aZXTeP-jzWSC2GvbGvZNI6GO2jy8B-iAASzwGY8Be98n9-sqlnzGjiQVScvnz4t0qU1DHA7tvVhsoCGtIWnJ58AAAAAAA==
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>Ex dropping in price on (You have died 999 times) league
>get 4 ex drops in the past 9 hours and finished my Saint's treasure and am 1 card off hoarder

Nice timing Chris-san!
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>>165004556

Nah, its not a noobtrap. Ya need some good eva - 50% is alright, then a stibnite flask. Acrobatics + Phase Acr + Hinekora's Sight or Hyrri's Ire + Atziri's Step.

You want to have 50% eva, 50% dodge, 55% spell dodge + high movement speed.

Buff all that with Vaal Grace and you can roll life/eva build. Stack just over 4k hp, have Basalt flask + Blasphemy Enfeeble + Arctic Armor. If melee - get Whirling Blades with Fortify.

My beef right now is that Acro/PAcro EVA dont have a good solid belt. Think of A/PA as Block/SpellBlock, but EVA instead of Armor. One can hit max block/spellblock, but good luck hitting that without HS+VaGr.

Right now though - Perfect Form + FREE Arctic Armor (no reservation from PF) + Atziri's Step + Iron Reflexes is quite nice.
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>>165005441
nice shitcrow logic
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>>165005026
Back then CI was more or less a meme.

There weren't good ways to deal with stun, getting ES + resistance was incredibly hard (also no mastercrafting). You could do very little against status ailments.

Hybrid with old mom and eldritch battery was the norm. Everything was build around dealing with reflect packs.

It used to be that you'd easily be able to get +300% to life through the nodes, since the nodes gave more hp. Then after the nerf came to life, it was like 200% hp. Energy shield remained mostly untouched and CI gained a lot of appeal since later on in 2.0 MOM and eldritch battery along with arctic armour got nerfed hard.

And ever since then it's been nothing but buffs and freebies to CI characters.
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>>165005319
pretty much my build right on my cyclone slayer in non-cuck breach
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>>165004717
>people seriously use macros and script for currency conversion

lmao is reddit full of 80 year olds with arthritis that prevents them from clicking fast? doing 300 clicks takes less then a minute
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ripped to a box full of porcupines
had 60% phys res and max all other res and still shredded my 6k hp before I could hit 1.

3rd post decides how I kill myself tonight
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>>165005319
>this is basically the build i started the league with

ayy lmao
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>>165005441

thats the problem. it needs heavy itemization and tree investment for something that still needs to be layered behind eva and flat phys DR

not worth it. just pop vgrace
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>>165005630

IDK man, works for me.

I am neither HC nor a tryhard. Considering how game shits itself, i am surprised i still play it.

I gave up on HC when i died to the most bullshit desync i have ever experienced in this game.

Meh.

Also, dig this: legacy voidheart.
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>>165006983

You do realise that VaGr will not cover those 50% missing. It works great if you need to max out dodge/spdodge. But by itself? Maybe for full armor/CI.
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>RF Jewels cost more than all the currency I've seen in the last month combined, each

Really catalyises the action potential in my neurons
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>>165007171

the 50% missing arent worth the investment

hence the noobtrap, specially for life builds which are TIGHTLY stretched across life clusters and already always in need for flat life on every gear slot possible, and only life builds can use the dodge on tree.
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>>165007464
Because Flameblast is always popular, and both RF and VRF jewels use a subset of the properties used on FB jewels. So you pay the "popular build" tax as well as the "overly specific jewels" tax.
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30% increased phys and 30% fire dmg vs 40 increase fire with a 6% fire pen, whats the better deeps?
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>>165008424

it entirely depends on what damage you are dealing

but assuming you are dealing fire, scaling off-of phys and converting most of it, take the second option
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>>164999927
Vaal Righteous Fire
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why arent you nerds talking about the patch notes

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1815528
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>>165009674
The spectre thing was funny.

Saw someone randomly lose their spectres while running uber atziri. They just straight up disappeared after trio.
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>>165009357

Stop posting jap cartoons here.

This is your last warning.

You do NOT want to know what comes next.
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>>165006506
Buy me an atziris disfavour for my birthday before you do
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>>165009674
>>
Oooooooooooooooooooooh the weary traveler.....
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>>165009983
I like this line, I like Izaro
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>forgot I had Monstrous Treasure
>entered random rare T9 map
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explain this poetards
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>>165011225
>steam
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>>165011225
>Steam
>quest tracker
>bismuth flask
>default attack
4 reasons you don't belong here
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>>165011413
>please go away new player I want this game to die!
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>>165011489
I fucking hate new players tbqh
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>>165011413
>le secret 4chan club
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>>165006506
>ripped to a box full of porcupines
>had 60% phys res
does not compute
>>
are there any self cast elemental spells other than flameblast that arent total shit?
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>>165011963
spark
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>>165011963
Icestorm
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>>165011963
a few

but a streamerguidebabby like you would likely not be build for them without lots of help, so just look up the guides
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>>165011963
Phys to lightning Blade Vortex
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>>165012039
Better with cwc.
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>>165011963
Ball Lightning
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>>165011963
Fire Ice Spear

>>165009849
Freshest anime reaction images just for you.
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>>164962465
New player here. Do I get this stuff for free if I just play the game? How long does it take to get this? If I start now am I too late? What do I have to do specifically? Is it hard to do?
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>>165011963
Ele BV is back on top now that the retarded double dipping got nerfed. Xohp's + Signal Flare and then add an assload of other scaling like Hatred, HoA, and flasks.
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>Stop posting jap cartoons here.
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>>165012424
THE ANSWER IS ON THE FUCKING IMAGE YOU CROPPED HOLY SHIT THIS IS WHY WE DONT LIKE NEW PLAYERS HERE FDJGHSGKJDSGHDKGDHSGKSDHGSDKJDGSHDGSKJ FUCK OFF BACK REDDIT THIS ISNT A FUCKING DAYCARE FOR STUPID TODDLERS
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>>165012027
>spark
no single target
>>165012039
>icestorm
requires shit tons of ES and INT gear
>>165012106
>blade vortex
No
>>165012174
>Ball lightning
its shit
>>165012239
>ice spear
No
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>>165012690
????
a friend sent me the image
i dunno what a challenge is, i'm new
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>>165012424
You can get all of it in time easily if you follow some popular meme build, the 36 challenges will take some time though. Certain ones don't even have any real difficulty, they're basically just money sinks.
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>>165012948
>He doesn't know
>>
36% eunduring cry duration on a devoto's, worthless or alright?
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>>165013221
sure thing bud. Keep playing your shit build that relies on swapping gems for single target when flameblst clears screens and doesnt have to deal with shitty projectile spell scaling
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How do I know if my char's good enough to carry people through uber lab? I can deal with izaro pretty easily myself but doesn't he get a bunch more hp in group? would people get mad if it took me awhile for kills
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I'm kind of a pooper so please no bully but could you guys rate my build? https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIBAJuNCC7tgxmOAF7TfgLQ21V0rn11_roknWJaSO494niu73rnCgqbeOv8xbcXXPlkWjiWDY2Hdmeg459KfbGzG62UuHsUBLH5Y1T-veY-z1FH3vikeMHVo4oj9k2SjX0wfNRSy_UxsNy95w8DJ0TSo-cCEe4OVvqq-Kiiwdh313SgWHUGIAaiF9zYYM8KE1BJD9ctFHUY23TxKaVbr90N4JWfglbostwISedUJP3_3hXwBfmbJjIBshnPemHrelMXJnqE0K1B0GuQEvEvci1N4l4= My idea was to have a ranger with a rapier and a shield, with high crit and armor. How shit is it?
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>>165013423
>are there any other good spells other than babyblast?
>yes
>no! those dont function exactly like babyblast!
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What exactly is the idea behind BF CwC BF?
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>>165012948
lol
kill yourself
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>>165014615
We heard you like blades.
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>almost done uberlab
>server crashes
WHEN WILL THEY FIX THEIR FUCKING SERVERS
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>>165013423
>flameblast doesn't swap in conc effect
?
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>>165015050
Why would you do uber lab immediately after a patch?
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>Fixed a bug where upgrading Essences in the Essences Tab would sometimes fail if you had the Nature's Boon Ascendancy skill.
???????
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>>165014243
You only have 87% increased life, you probably want 180% to be viable
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>>165015587
as far as the game engine is concerned, essences are flasks it seems
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https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1815546

Another league before 3.0.0

I'm okay with this as long as it at least attempts to fix the fucked meta atm
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>>165014618
not an argument or build
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>>165015473
>let me swap in slower proj to deal dmg against a boss that teleports around the screen and who i will more than likely miss 90% of the time with a slow shitty projectile spell

anon, please
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>>165015972
This league has the most diverse meta out of the last 3
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>>165015972
>the best MELEE skill right now is 1h only
>buffs to 1h
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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>>165015972
>significant buffs to one-handed melee weapons

Sweet, blade flurry felt a little weak
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>>165015972
>>165016440

Chris says otherwise.

Have some respect and take his word for it. He knows his game better than any of us.
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>>165016229
>double dip build
>double dip build
>double dip build
>howa
>blade vortex
>necromancer support tripling dps + adding a shitload of double dip

sure is diverse

as for 1h weapons, surely he doesn't mean dagger buffs, whens the last time you saw someone using a 1h mace
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>>165016647
>league before
>BV pathfinder

>League before that
>elementalist
>elementalist
>elementalist
>elementalist
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>>165016171
I don't even know what skill you're talking about, but you're retarded if you didn't swap in conc with flameblast.
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>>165016647
Start of the league with Death's Hand Binos Blade Flurry.
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>>165016857
you dont have to in normal situations. Only thing you really need to swap in for is T16, shaper, and chayula

everything else is no swapping required
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>>165015972
much better than the catastrophic fuckup that was a4 release
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>>165017050
let me correct that

whens the last time you saw someone using a 1 handed mace in the main hand with an attack skill as their primary source of damage doing well

varunastra doesn't count for obvious reasons
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>>165017063
>you dont have to swap
>except for when you do
Look man, just admit you were wrong and move on. You're just making a fool of yourself at this point.
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>>165017063
so the same thing for projectile skills

lmao
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hidden potential caustic arrow, yes or no? what ascendancy?
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>>165017113
I have to agree a4 release was garbage meta
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Holy crap I just 6 linked a lightning coil with a stray fusing! I can buy my axe now!
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Do stats from quality on gems work like local buffs on gear like attack speed on a weapon or ES on a chest where it works like a more multiplier instead of an increased when you stack it with tree? I can't find shit about it on the wiki.
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is there a site with statistics about leagues and amount of classes people are playing?
I tried googling and couldn't find anything
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>>165017335
Mjolnr :^)
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>>165017393
>>165017687
whatever, projectiles skills with no aoe potential still suck and you know it

Fight me irl faggots
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>>164962465
I just downloaded this game
I have like 4 hours in..
Is it always this easy? I made a warrior and I have this AOE ground slam gem in my hammer that just 1 shots whole clusters of mobs.. I am playing with 1 hand and walking through the bosses. . . .
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>>165019225
>Is it always this easy?
no, and play HC
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>>165018808
I agree about ice spear being shit

but ball lightning kek

even fireball is great
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>>165019313
Dont
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>>165019426
ball lightning is terrible. The only way to make it work is with fire burst. And then you're literally just playing a clunkier harder to gear fireball/flameblast.

why fucking bother?
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>>165019313
>>165019465
Now Im just confused
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>>165019426
Not anywhere close to Flameblast
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>>165019629
HC is a meme. People play it, but the way threatening things are in the game, you have to abuse a logout macro any time you feel threatened. If you try to play HC within the intended game mechanics you're just going to feel shitty and lose a ton of characters constantly, especially when you're new.
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So are people on reddit just memeing or are a handful of people responsible for exalt prices right now
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>>165020158
logut macro IS an intended game mechanic
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>>165020158
you literal shitbird
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>>165020308
chaos prices skyrocketed because everyone is chaosing ES int gear
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>>165020482
>>165020467
>WAAAAH WHY DONT PEOPLE ENJOY LEVELING LIKE I DO
Fuck off hardcucks. Have fun with your broken economy and dead league.
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>>165020818
>broken economy
You mean like shitcrow exalts dropping to 50c?:)
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>>165021035
supply and demand senpai. they just added a ton of supply of exalts with the new div card that drops in fucking normal difficulty.
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At what level should I bother trying to sell good rare drops?
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>>165018482
This is essence but it shouldn't have changed too much except for less pathfinders and more raiders. Occasionally people work it out based on the ladder and put it somewhere but i don't know of any specific site. Check Reddit and you might find something for Breach.
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>champion will never be good
feels bad atleast its not ascendant
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>>165021637
If its high roll tri res it can be sold

If it has 6 linked it can be sold

If your neck has over 100 int on it can be sold

etc etc just find what people want and sell it as soon as you have it.
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Guys
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What
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Ilu
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Hey guys, haven't played in about a year and a half so did they nerf the masters spawn rate into the dirt in that time?

8 hours a day for two weeks and haven't seen Tora or Vorici in their acts at all.
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>tfw glass cannon assassin shitter
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>>164973462
Scorching ray trickster. Killed xoph 6 times on day 3, sold 3 blessings for 50c each (and an amu for 25 rofl).
Died trying to help someone kill a xoph, he had spawned two sets of adds and I had no vaal Disc because I entered his map at the boss.
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should I play this gaym or diablo 3 (not gay)
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>>165023732
do people never learn to carry granites? This is something I learned back in beta, and never had trouble with lunaris mobs again
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>>165023732
what the fuck is the point of playing when you do this shit?

any sense of accomplishment or pride at your character has to be completely lost when you use a broken mechanic that completely breaks the game and all sense of risk like a logout macro
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>>165025256
The devs actively support it and have said multiple times that HC is balanced around logout macros
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>>165025531
>play like an idiot, put yourself in a bad situation where you're going to be forced to face consequences for your poor decision making
>lol whoops nvm i pushed 1 button and its all ok xDD

I dont care what the devs said, this is fucking retarded
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>>165025531
they have to balance around it or else fix their fucking game from crashing
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How are you fine folks tonight?
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>>165025727
it's kinda scummy but i'd rather have this than dying to poe.exe has stopped working
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>>165025765
even d2 has a better minimap than poe geez
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ALT+F4CORE
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>>165026063
enjoy your delayed death scrub
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Fixed a bug where stacks of 5000 Splinters in a currency tab would upgrade to a Breachstone.
ouch
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>>165016556

Did you watch the live stream where he played with Hunter Pence? Fuck me it was enraging. The guy has NO fucking clue about this game. Not a fucking clue.
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if im using soul taker and using cleave and running hatred would it be better to use added fire or hypothermia? if you could explain why too that would be cool
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>>165026708
lmao the 5k chayula guy wasn't fucking around, this is great.
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>>165027239
added fire, you aren't going to chill bosses
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>>165027670
Aquamarine flasks are underrated
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>>165027859
Can you chill guardians with chilled ground? Either way I still don't think the chill is reliable enough to warrant using hypothermia.
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>>165027621
6500 chaos gone like tears in the rain
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>>165015972
>another FULL league before they kill cruel
Fuck it. I'm done. I can't handle this shit any longer. 3.0 better be fucking amazing to get me to come back.
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how do I get into poe
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>>165015972
So they didn't plan this from the start, they've obviously just fallen behind since there was never supposed to be a 2.6. That means this league will be rushed as hell just to tide people over.

Enjoy your buggy, lag-inducing league mechanics.
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>>165029350
You don't. Just play something worthwhile.
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>>165029354
thanks having fun with breach so far
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>>165029519
If you think Breach is bad you haven't seen a truly rushed league.
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>>165029354
If it means a better 3.0, I'm all for it.

I'll almost definitely get in the beta for it at least.
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>>165030695
3.0 release date hasnt changed at all
If anything it means a worse 3.0 because they have to code a dumb league now
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>>165030891
they wanted to release act 5 in march, from quite a few posts from chris

that seems to have fallen through, honestly with the way the balance is right now i think its for the better

just look at how shit 2.0 balance was
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>>165029403
What do you recommend?
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is there a way to remove certain gems from the level up option

i have a couple int gems I want to keep low but its really annoying when releveling other gems I just quality'd to have to make sure not to click them
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>>165032148
Right-click, I think
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Do I need the DLC for this game to be worth playing? what do I lose without it?
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dumb frogposter
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>>165032218
thanks, that worked
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>>165032261
Not really

You lose the ability for poe.trade to scan your stash tabs for items on sale and list them on its site

However, you'll run out of stash space really fast either way
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>>165032261
Armour of the Phoenix is literally the best armour in the game and has a level requirement of 1
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>>165032637
What is the stash used for? Is it used for saving items that could be used for PvP (if it has it) and last time I tried this game (pre 1st DLC) I just sold any shit that was no good for my class.

>>165032692
How do I get this armour?

Thanks for help anons
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>DLC
What the fuck are you on about
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>zana's daily mission is torture chambers
>never done the map before, her maps are usually piss easy and Im cocky from soloing uber izaro and t14s, so just go through without even thinking
>its double boss
>mfw getting fucking incinerated instantly by double laser beams before I even know whats happening

thank god Im softcore and had just leveled :^))
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>>165032924
When you say DLC do you mean the cosmetic item sets or the stash tabs

Because the stash tabs and guild features are the only functional "DLC" items

Stash is used for stashing all your spare items across characters within a League. Yes, you can gear for PvP (arena based), and you stand to gain quite a bit trading useful items away to other players instead of vendoring it all
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There a /poeg/ approved global chat?
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>>165033206
I'm sure they launched some huge title updates, they not pay to use?

Ah well my mistake, so maybe I'll give this a go, I'm not really into PvP for games like this as they always have 1-3 broken OP builds.

I'll give the PvE a try then, thanks for the info peeps
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>>165023732
just teleport behind them LUL

tittybitches are so fucking easy
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>>165033660
Uhm, no, each of the expansions is Free As In Free
Sacrifice, Masters, Awakening, Ascendancy, and Atlas are all available out of the box

Good luck, exile.
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>>165033640
5055
:^)
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>wanted to see how much of a difference my last ascendancy points would make
>cant really tell because I just releveled my gems and got a taste of haste at the same time making it hard to tell what's doing what

fug
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I'm itching to try out the pvp for the first time in this. Will I get trashed by some autist with godly gear?
Should I go with low level dueling? At least for that I have some decent gear ready.
In fact I've never played pvp in an arpg before, what to expect?
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>>165034079
But of course. :^)
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>>165018482
poebuilds.io has a bunch of stuff, I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for.
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>>165034543
please tell me thats a trap
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>10% of maximum life per second to maximum life leech rate
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>>165036367
>he's not VP
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>>165036367
>if youve 5k life now you leech at most 1500 per second instead of 1000
>meanwhile the vp cuck leeches 5k per second
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>>165015972
>Another league before 3.0.0

mixed feelings
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>>165032261
>playing with 4 stash tabs
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>>165035979
Are you seriously so daft that you don't know who that is?
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>>165039543
>actually recognizing celebrities

I bet you watch TV too.
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Anyone wants to map right now on BHC? I'm a support and I ran out of players to play with.
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r u a hot bytch
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>>165015972
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worth a few chaos?

idk how common 2hers are
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>>165040147
yeah someone would buy that for a bit, its max life% too
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>>165015972
>Some balance changes to keep the metagame fresh. An example is that we have lined up significant buffs to one-handed melee weapons.

I hope they meant one-handed melee weapons (claws) and not one-handed melee weapons (daggers).
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Any build that uses unique rings is shit
Any build that uses unique amulets except Astramentis is shit
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>>165039976

>reverse search that qt
>its a subhuman slav

why are all the good ones nonhumans?
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>significant buffs to one-handed melee weapons

eyyy, time to try gladiator
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>>165039652
>name is in the filename
subhumans like you are the downfall of this thread
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>>165040373
post your gf
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>>165040351
>presence of chayula

retard
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>>165015972
>another league of ignoring wanders

why live

its like we are GGG's unwanted adoptive kid
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>>165040373
Reminder that Slav women are suitable breeding stock if you are übermensch.
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>>165040489
yeah it's too bad wanders never got their own era of dominance

oh wait
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>>165040438
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>>165040672
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>>165040489
bah, that's swords
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>>165040489
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/guccipradas/characters?characterName=GucciZoomZoom

here's your wander
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>>165040804
his gear could fund this entire thread
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Shift toggle when?
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Can somebody explain to me how Alkaizer has 4 crafted mods on his rapier?

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/AlkaizerX/characters

Does he craft multimod on a merciless/tyrannical only rapier, then regal it and get attack speed? Sounds like an insanely expensive way to craft unless he lucked out with the attack speed mod and just wanted a multimod tyrannical rapier.
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IM PATCHING D3 AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME POEG
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>>165040847
you don't need half the gear he has to make wander work, especially the headhunter

>>165040905
he probably had a 1 mod rapier with the 169% ipd and regalled 18 attack speed, then multimod from there
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>>165040946
why would anyone want to stop you
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>>165040946
cool, now go back to your own thread
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>>165040997
wow that makes so much sense
for some reason I didn't realize that you could have a 2 mod rare item simply by regaling a 1 mod magic
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>>165040435
>who you are and what you do is set by your name

also the name is not familiar to me

nys
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>>165023732

Do people learn to gear up in eva and use AA?
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damn I should've started doing unid maps sooner
this IIQ boost mane
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>>165023732

>alt f4

Seriously? Scrubs.
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Hey guise, rookie questions here.

Do exalted orbs have a chance to drop from monsters, or currency Cards only?

If so, can multiple exalted orbs be applied to a single item or only one per rare item?
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>>165042461
currency can drop anywhere from anything, you could in theory find exalts in normal

currency is not limited to one application per item only
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>>165040946
d3 is only $20 now

might have to buy it
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it's too bad ggg doesn't play their own game and are completely clueless when it comes to balance
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>>165042717
the argument is stupid anyway
etup doesn't know jack shit more about balance than some rank 500 shitter, and your skill or playing time does not correlate with your game design ability or experience
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>>165042717
They're aware, they just don't do major balancing during leagues
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>>165041779
>moving the goalposts to hide the fact that you were too retarded to quickly google the fucking name in the filename
This is the kind of subhuman shitposter we get here.
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>>165042618

Thanks mate.
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When making a new build will you resuse items from your other characters, or buy entire new ones? Like if you needed a 6l regalia will you buy a new one, or just recolor one you have already rendering your old character unuseable
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>>165043287
except for 6L chest for example, usually i end up getting an entire set of new gear because the prices for certain pieces may have changed

i usually swap usable 20/20 gems from old chars though, some flasks too
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>>165042717
Is he the guy who died to a thorn flesh pack and got GGG to remove that mod the following patch ?
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>>165042824
to be fair, neon is one of the best at making builds

>>165043780
i think so
he also died to volatile on etup's stream ages ago in nemesis, look where we're at now, volatile is one of the main reasons life sucks
but to be fair at least he got freeze mine support nerfed holy shit that was broken
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>>165044007
>game dev is good at making builds in his own game

hmm, i can believe this
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Why does every low level character run around in white shirts?
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>>165044323
he was good at making builds before he even worked for GGG
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>>165044404
what do these quints have to do with anything
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>>165044404
Tabula is often used for leveling for 6link
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>mfw poisonstorm single target damage is beyond my wildest expectations
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>>165044404
Gulp gulp
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>want to do overgrown ruin for the shaper orb
>takes me literally messaging 40 people to get it
>half of them were not online or character didnt exist despite several of the postings being from minutes ago
>spend a couple chaos rerolling temp chains on the chance the vaal keeps it the same
>get a literally perfect roll with max pack size and quant and ez mods
>vaal it
>corrupts to vaal temple

god fucking damnit I just want to do shaped quay
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>>165045161
Vaal Temple also drops a t10 shaper orb

good luck
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>doing vaal temple

sh*tbirds out
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^professional t6 farmer
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What happened to the value of Ex ?
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real life happened
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Any /poeg/ discord group?
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Some balance changes to keep the metagame fresh. An example is that we have lined up significant buffs to one-handed melee weapons.
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Sorry we don't accept dumb frogposters
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>>165046732
>Best build is Howaa
>Significant buffs to one-handed melee weps

??????
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>>165046776
I, I just want to Sweep in peace. Why this
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>>165046776
as in, generic one-handed weapons, not necessarily your league specific unique claw that in no way relies on base damage, attack speed or implicit

are you retarded?
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>Dude says he will come with me for merc lab carry when I go with my friend in 30 mins
>comes back 5 hours later and says he is ready after it's already complete
Am I a shit for not wanting to run it again for this dude
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>>164963005
TALAMOANA, WARRIOR
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>>165022013
for breach its more extreme
assassin, elementalist and raider are way bigger
everything else is smaller
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is there a build where you automatically shit damage around you without pressing any buttons?

cwc firestorm seems to need you to channel shit

RF seems like it would fit though
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>>165047696
just play aura bot if you don't want to do anything
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>>165047696
CwDT Berserker
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>>165047696
Abberath's Hooves ignite Elementalist
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Guys I know this is the PoE general but does anyone here play Grim Dawn? I thought there's an expansion coming out today?
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>>165047696
some marauder build uses nothing but cast when damage taken setups
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>>165047959

Wait the xpac is supposed to come out today? Fuck i just started a build in PoE i wanna see trough to maps.
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>>165011412
>>165011413
Question, whats wrong with Steam release of POE?
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>ZiggyD tells me not to level Howaa as Spectral Throw
>It feels fucking amazing

Damn what a retard.
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>>165048903
you can comfortably level as ST from lv20 to lv68 with that hand of what-ever-it-was-before-the-upgrade without taking any damage nodes
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>>165050017
Well technically every INT node is 1-3 damage but yea that's what I'm doing.

Spectral Throw feels so good.
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>>165046985
Won't be a league specific if Breach actually gets put into the base game.
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>>165050141
not grabbing any conventional damage nodes and instead converting pathing nodes to damage via 2-point jewel socket almost feels like cheating

but whatever, it's fun way to experience ST for the first time
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>>165050150

It should though. Its quite a nice thing to have.
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>>165048331

>steam down
>cant play poe
>any issues with steam
>cant play poe
>new patch
>cant play poe
>check hours played
>urge to kill yourself intensifies
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>>165050642
Damage and Defense nodes as int give ES.
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>>165051030
>not having your urge to kys at max alredy
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>>165051030
>new patch
>cant play poe

steam had the 2.5.1c patch running as quickly as the ggg client
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>breach league character has pretty much the same build as another I have in standard save for the weapon having slightly lower damage and 1 less 40% more support gem
>tooltip dps in standard character is almost triple of the breach one
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How does cursing work in this game? Like if I have +2 curse rings and my partner has +2 curse rings can we curse 5 times? Or does it just take one person that has the most + curses so it would only be 3
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>>165053352
curse limit works on a per-player basis
default curse limit is 1 per player, that means monsters can have 1 curse per player - if you are playing in a group of 2, monsters can have 1 curse from each of you, or 2 total.

i think you cant curse monsters with multiple instances of the same curse though - if you curse them with temp chains, and your friend casts another temp chains on them, they will still only have one temp chains on them.
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>>165052538
>higher base dmg weapon
>40% MORE multiplier

Gee, billy, I wonder why the standard character has more deeps.

fucking re-tard
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Is there a legit reason to buy the discounted Diablo 3 pack? I believe it doesn't have as deep customization as PoE does, but is it fun to begin with?
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>>165052538
probably also higher gem levels and/or qual on gems
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>>165054248
So if I'm playing in a party of 2 by default I can use 2 curses if he uses none?
Or for example let's say I am using 3 curses and I have the ability to have +3 curses. If I'm in a party will he be able to use his 4th curse because it's 3 + his 1. Or do I need to get another item to allow a 4th curse.

I'm just trying to understand a build guide where he runs 3 curses, but has +4 curses. If a player can support their own curse why would he need +4 if he only uses 3
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Path of Fashion time!
Post your exiles.
I thought I had a pic without auras but I lost it and cba to re-toggle them because no mana flask lmao
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>>165047696

meme raider!
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should i buy a breach support for the cape?
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>>165055264
Do you have the money? If yes do you like the cape? If yes then buy it.

This has been your flowchart of the day with /poeg/
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>>165055338
what if im neet and want the cape

pixels>ramen?
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>>165055418
Ramen is 5 for a dollar.

Will you have 1 dollar after buying the cape? If yes, can you live until next paycheck with 5 ramen packets? If yes buy the pack.
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>>165054535
>So if I'm playing in a party of 2 by default I can use 2 curses if he uses none?

no
curse limit applies for each player separately.
you play in a 2man party, you can still only apply as many curses to a monster as your curse limit allows you to. but the same monster can also be cursed by your other party member, as many times as their curse limit allows.

>I'm just trying to understand a build guide where he runs 3 curses, but has +4 curses.
sounds like bullshit, or like you are misunderstanding something
can you link the guide pls
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>>165054535
>>165055703
disregard my post, i'm retarded

see this for clarification
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1630344
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>>165055628

im not the other anon, but yeah might as well, cape looks bretty gud.
also i heard there was a poeg discord?
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How many challenges can I realistically hope to beat if I start now? I haven't played at all in the last 2 months
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>>165056125
36
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>>165054269
>SLIGHTLY higher base dmg (not even 10%)
>40% more gem
>one's dealing TRIPLE DAMAGE OF THE OTHER
you sure told me faggot
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>>165056510
40% MORE is a fuckload idiot.
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>>165056510
>40% more
>a 200% difference
gud maths buddy u sure showed me
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>>165056658
what is it like not understanding basic concepts of the game?
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>>165056984

pls no bully
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>>165056658
what's it like being bad at maths?
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>>165056658
>>165056510
Assuming you scaled your damage appropriately on the tree, a single 40% more multiplier and higher base DPS weapon can accound for a huge change in DPS..

More multipliers scale all of your increased modifers
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>>165054780
>BoR
>with a chest
makes no sense, the only real fashion to be had here is the red shirt
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>>165058029
I know that family, the tree isn't EXACTLY the same, I'm just egging on
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>>165058098
>teehee i was just trolling all along

Go home, kid
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>>165056125
24 fairly easily, 36 if you put in a lot of time and effort and are lucky. 820 is dead and you won't have any reliable help to bail you out of the numerous RNG challenges this league.
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>>165058097
The color suited the helmet so fiiiine.
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>>165058210
What happened to 820?
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>>165058364
It dies 2 weeks in every league and gets filled with faggots price checking, asking for boss kills, game mechanics, and LF FREE SHIT spam, people who get their wings leave the channel for good and help dries up, it gets worse every league so that's why you generally want to focus on trading/RNG challenges early on the league

that's for BHC, don't know how things are in BSC, and you have much more freedom to go balls in in softcore so if you're only interested in the mtx, by all means roll softcore and play hard for a week or two
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>>165058629
bsc people still help. But a lot of it is LF free shit, asking for tips etc
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>>165058364
>>165058629
>>165058210
what's 820
sry i'm new
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>>165058149
don't be upset famiglia, go grind some white maps to cool your head :^)
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What is common etiquette when partying? IE I got an exalted orb. Do people expect me to share?
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>>165058712
global /820
originally a reddit channel created back in forsaken masters (1.2) to help with various challenges and master daily rotations, in slowly devolved into a shithole where the ratio of people begging for free shit and people trying to help each other has become like 9:1

it works somewhat during the first weeks of a league because challengefags are more likely to be present there, but once the latecomers and shitters arrive, there's no turning back

>>165058770
lmfao "etiquette", if you party then drop allocation is to each their own
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>>165058770
>etiquette when partying

no such thing, just make sure you have permanent allocation on (or don't)
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>>165058770
>What is common etiquette when partying?
standard etiquette is "take whatever you can"
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>>165059417
>>165060165
Okay, thanks. Just wanted to make sure
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HC Occultist ED Dagger + Shield

Decay Weapon
>scales with passives and gems
>Void manipulation more chaos multiplier
>2 more multi's from pierce and slower

Consuming Dark
>Chaos damage poisons.

Why do some people choose Consuming dark over Decay weapon. I don't understand. Ziggy, (I don't follow him honest, I just hear he is the source of this argument's source) made a video and pinned a message saying: "I DID THE MATH AND CONSUMING DARK IS SOOOO MUCH BETTER" without showing any proof.

I just want to understand.
Decay is straight up better right?
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>>165061860
>consuming dark is better than decay

might have something to do with the fact that you can scale the poison damage higher than the decay damage
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>>165061860
Poison stacks.
Decay doesn't.
Both scales the same way.
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>>165061860
Do duration nodes on the tree even affect decay? And can decay stack?
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>>165061860
I'm only using Consuming Dark because it cost me 4 chaos compared to 10+ for a Decay weapon.

>>165062054
I'm new and just reading the forums for my info instead of doing any testing myself but...

>Now, the scaling on Decay. We already know that it scales with damage over time, and chaos damage from passives. I decided to go test a level 1 Essence Drain (about 200 tooltip dps) on Voll. Unlinked, it tickled a bit, and in my 6L it killed/almost killed him. So we know it scales with the chaos damage and damage over time from our gem setup. I then added my Controlled Destruction Support to the unlinked level 1 ED, and shot Voll again. The increase in damage was consistent with the more spell damage modifier on the support gem.

>In conclusion, Decay scales with everything. Both passives and linked gems to skill used for the hit that applies it. It also scales with whatever tags the skill that delivers it is supported by, in this case Spell and Projectile.

That's what I've read about Decay.
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>>165062610
>>165062054
I should've also quoted this part.

>With a single application, Decay is way stronger than poison. Since Decay cannot stack (and with my current cast speed, I can apply about 6 stacks of poison by nuking), poison will still be stronger if you are able to sustain the mana and not have to move.

So the way I read it, if you can stack, Poison is better. If you can't stack Decay is better.
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>Chaos damage poisons

Does that mean every tick of Contagion/ED applies poison too?
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fucking jews keep trying to get a 100c discount on a 350c item
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LMAO
my 2nd exalted orb drop in 1 day
epic
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>>165063063
lmao ex are nothing worth epic
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>>165063063
>ex in 2017
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>>165063135
2 in 1 day is pretty nice
so neck yourself
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>>165063241
well i dropped 5 ex this league when they were worth something ;)
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>>165062971
there's no "tick" in PoE and you can only poison on hit, Contagion doesn't hit and thus never poisons
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>>165063915
Weird, but okay.

I'm so used to DoT's ticking down but that's just not how PoE works.
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https://clips.twitch
tv/liftingnerdbro/CleverSwallowVoHiYo

ebin
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whos the best LGBT poe streamer around?
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>liftingnerdbro
kys yourself my man
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why are so many hc players moving to sc?
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>>165065704
logout macro didn't work
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>>165065609
mathil desu
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>>165065609
cooterz (ftm)
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>>165065787
>desu
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>>165065919
>not keeping up with the maymays
baka desu senpai
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>>164988687
Increased also double dips, it's just that individual sources of increased don't stack but become one big source (10% and 10% increased becomes 20% increased or 1.2) while more multiplier are applied one after the other as long as they have a different source (10% and 10% becomes 21% or 1.21).

With double dipping, it is only important that the multiplier applies to both the initial hit as well as the dot, so for fire damage, this would be elemental damage / fire damage etc. One of the reasons why Vortex burn is so good is that due to its implicit "spell samage affects this spells damage over time", normal spell damage also double dips on the burn, since it is a dot made by the spell.
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>>165065985
>not changing your meems so the filter doesn't corrupt them
smdh tbf family
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>>165065704
To be frank, I'm never really impressed by HC accomplishments in the first place. Whenever I hear that someone is a high level in HC, I just think, "man, they probably play like a bitch."

Probably farmed Ledge once they got there.

Probably avoided side missions until they were twice its level.

Probably dodge half the strongboxes they see.

Probably have less than 100% total increased damage from skill tree.

Probably playing a top 5 popular build.

Etc etc, the list goes on.
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>they released info for 3.0 rather than hyping up 2.6 first THEN releasing info for 3.0

bad move people are let down rather than hyped up :(((((((
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>>165066617

they will run the 3.0 paid/streamer beta league concurrent with 2.6

basically 2.6 will be for the freefag rabble

3.0 will be for the players GGG cares about
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>>165065704
HC ends when someone hits 100 after that, it starts to decay until only autistic pedantic retards are left.
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>people are
thanks for the insight, reddit
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>>165066102
Ofc you are not impressed by it because you can never do it.

Not every plays like a bitchboi
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>>165066845
opposed to crow league that is filled with retarded 12yo kids since day one
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>>165066617
what info has been released for 3.0 aside from that it was delayed?
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>>165067079

>act 5
>removal of Cruel
>Life buffs
>non-premium tab owners cant trade to curb RMT and bots
>Ascendant re-tooling
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>>165067186
these seem like mostly rumors
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>>165066048
why do people use pyre instead of hrimburn though? Wouldn't EE proc more easily with hrimburn?
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>>165067186
>life buffs
No. Just nerf ES
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>>165067186
>removal of cruel
wow, we know so much about the expansion now!!! fucking kill yourself, retard
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>>165067186
>removal of Cruel
Has this even been confirmed? Isn't it just a rumor?
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>>165067586
check the dev manifesto forum
fuck off with your newshit questions
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>>165067739
Rude
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As someone who just started the league and going for the HOWA build, how would I go about finding 10 chaos to afford the weapons? Should I just grind with something else till I find some?
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>>165068985
you dont start with howa

start with EQ slayer or flameblast elementalist until you can get some currency
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>>165068985
lmao you cant start with howa
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>>165068985
>how would I go about finding 10 chaos to afford the weapons?
The same way you go about finding 400 chaos to afford the rest of the gear.
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>>165069229
>doing more than one character per league
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>>165069497

same logic applies even if you only play one char

you start with a leveling build, then switch to memes when you have the gear
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>>165069497
>being so shit that it takes you a long time to level a starter character

LMAO. It takes like a max of 8 hours to reach maps on a starter build.

Youll never get to maps on a build like HOWA without starter gear idiot
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reminder if your build uses damage conversion, double dip exploits, minions or energy shield it is a reddit build and not permitted here
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>>165069229
>>165069326
>>165069382
Can you spoonfeed me an easy and budget-friendly build then?
I don't have that much spare time to sink in before the end of the league so as anon said I'm not going to make more than one character.
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Is racing dead? Will we ever get a new racing season before 3.0? Now would be a good time for the resident GGG employee to show up
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>>165069713
so a 100% chaos, no double dipping, minion less life essence drain build is poeg acceptable?
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>>165069717
no

>>165069713
>more reddit falseflagging unpaid GGG interns
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>>165069956
dont forget to roll bhc for the ultimate /poeg/ experience
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>>165069635

I wish game had content/importance to make rush leveling very very punishing and disfavorable.

Since rush leveling is a thing, GGG might as well just make the whole game untill maps one endless ledge.

>>165069825

No.
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>>165069713
>damage conversion
check
>double dip exploits
check
>minions
only golem
>energy shield
nope
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>>165069713
>double dip exploits
>using intended game mechanics that were explicitly added to the game during the damage refactor is exploiting

uhhhh, poetards?
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>>165069717
why dont you just read one of the replies you linked
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>>165070042
I used to be a snob too and make my own builds back when the game was in beta and I was a student with a lot of spare time.
Now I'm just looking for a quick thrill and some cozy loots to be honest fampai.
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0-4 buy vinktar's flask
5-9 buy the map and get a random flask
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>>165070101
why is doing the leveling process in the fastest way possible a problem to you? Afraid you might have to git gud?
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>>165070235

its mostly that you can simply browse the builds in the forums on on reddit or on poebuilds.io without making us the work for you
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>>165070157
GGG has been on the record many times saying they want double dipping gone, it just happens the change is too big of an overhaul for them so far
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>>165067420
You only really "need" EE on bosses or tough rares, and it's easy to proc there with orb of storms. On top of that, with Pyre, your fire damage double dips, which might or might not result in higher damage depending on your gear and skilltree.

Apart from that, I guess it depends on whether you sacrifice more by using unique gloves or a unique ring, and I could see hrimburn be better situationally.
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>>165070372
There's a gazillion builds on the forums so I was just hoping for a general direction. Thanks anyway, I'll go browse there.
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is there an easy way to do the "possess by 2 spirits" achievement?
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>>165070525
Shore boss, spirits appear at 50% and 25% life threshold, just don't 360 no scope it like a shitcrow and you get the challenge by default
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>>165070417
no they haven't. They simplified damage by making like modifiers apply to secondary damage types intentionally. It didn't previously work this way.
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>>165070651
interesting, thanks
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>>165070653
>They simplified damage by making like modifiers apply to secondary damage types intentionally.
No idea what this means
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so, Essence Drain ... occultist or trickster
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>>165070929
Scion
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>>165070794
secondary damage types are things like poison, bleed, and burn damage.

Previously, they were only scaled by modifiers designated as such by name.

They intentionally patched the game so that tags like projectile, fire, physical, and chaos now scaled their secondary damage type counterparts.

this was a planned design decision by GGG, and it can be concluded that anyone playing the game and complaining about double dipping being a big, is just a newfag redditor and has no idea how the game previously worked.
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poeurl.com/Zx5
This is my current cyclone slayer at lvl 89. Any suggestions what I could drop to get more life?
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>>165071153
>Previously, they were only scaled by modifiers designated as such by name.
This is wrong, no idea where you get that from, care to provide a source? As far as I know, bleed and burn have always been affected by generic physical and elemental/fire damage, respectively, effectively a form of double-dipping as we understand it in PoE
>They intentionally patched the game so that tags like projectile, fire, physical, and chaos now scaled their secondary damage type counterparts.
No, this is specific to Poison after the refactoring of it, has nothing to do with bleed and burn
>They intentionally patched the game so that tags like projectile, fire, physical, and chaos now scaled their secondary damage type counterparts.
>this was a planned design decision by GGG
Yeah like fucking 4 leagues ago, they've gone on the record on podcast about how poison double dipping has gone out of control, something they had not foreseen and now want gone more or less, only it implies a balance sweep across the board rather than a slap on the wrist on one or two skills since conversion is a thing and pretty much anything can now poison with Added Chaos if you wanted it bad enough
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>>165071340
What's your weapon ? If mana is an issue try using Hezmana's.
Drop that whole mana leech/frenzy shit on the bottom right, drop that entire armor cluster near the marauder start as well and path through the outside ring instead for more life/leech.

www.poeurl.com/Zye
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>>165067892
Stop posting that dyke please.
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>>165071590
>just another retard with opinions
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Puncture
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Version_1.0.2
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/659400/
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>>165072268
Thank you.
I'm using a 6l disfavour already, lab has treated me well.
I am constantly out of mana on single targets without the extra 3 mana nodes along with leech and an extra 7% mana from a jewel, not sure how to fix it besides using blood magic. I could drop faster attacks for it, but that dps tho.
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>>165072724
>Patch 1.0.2
Genuinely not sure if you're baiting or actually retarded? Patch 1.0 is, for all intents and purposes, the game as it was originally designed, and the way things were *before* has no relevance to the whole "GGG went back and changed their design on it!" claim you're trying to push. They designed it that way, and it has now gone out of control and they want it gone, specifically for the case of Poison. A lot has happened in 3 years. Sources of generic damage such as Frenzy Charges were not as widely prevalent, because Frenzy Charges weren't generic more damage modifiers before, to name one change, things that only serve to exacerbate the double dipping issue, where previously it would be limited to very niche phys to bleed applications or fire to ignite which was more or less easily balanced.You retarded shit.
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>>165073004
>6l disfavour
Did you try dropping added fire for blood magic then ?
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>>165073330
I might've gone a little bit overboard on the dps, I guess. Not sure how much was enough.
Am I that predictable?
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>>165073323
>changing the goal posts

your original argument was that poison and burn never scaled the way that I had described. Not that GGG's original design philosophy was wrong. Whether or not you agree with the games mechanics doesn't change the fact that secondary damage type scaling was and still is an intended effect, and not some "exploit"
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>>165073696
I'm more surprised that you have a hard time mana wise despite .8% mana leech with that much dps.
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>>165073737
You're the retard arguing semantics instead of the essence of the argument, which is that double-dipping is currently out-of-control, virtually imbalanceable, and players know it. GGG knows it, everyone knows it, even the newshitter who installed the game 2 weeks ago and followed a Berserker BV build. GGG has promised changes about it, period. Saying things like "b-b-b-but it d-d-didn't w-work that w-way b-back in Patch 1.0.1" lies somewhere between being pedantic and fucking retarded: (You)
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>>165073986
It was only a problem on single target for some reason, didn't matter how much more mana leech I had. Tried getting those 2 extra ones and wearing a 30% mana leech rate amulet, did nothing. Getting regular mana nodes fixed it.
>>
what if they made it so you could pick any ascendency no matter which class you started as

would add a lot of diversity no?
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>>165074583
retard
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>>165074283
thats because increasing the pool by 30% also increases the leech cap by 30% which you were probably hitting.

The way increased leech works it just increases the speed at which you'll leech at so it won't take as many leeches to hit the cap which is only 20% of your max mana per second.
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>>165074620
I see, didn't realise i'd hit leech rate cap that fast.
Thank you for your help with my noob questions, anon.
>>
you should be able to go into any ascendency at will meaning 2 points into A and then 2 into B

3.0 spoiler 5th and 6th ascendancy level
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>>165062926
I know I'm a retard for replying to a 3 hour old post but standing still and casting goes against the whole playstyle of ED. You just apply your AIDS and run around like a headless chicken since you don't leech. Not to mention Decay is MUCH stronger because it allows the monster you hit first to die faster which significantly increases your Profane Bloom procs (and that's the most of your clear anyway).
>>
the game would really benefit from a tooltip addition that compared item property for the players
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>>165070326

"Git gud" has lost its meaning, thanks in part to retards like you.
>>
Is the price you set for currency in a trading tab for the entire stack or per piece?
>>
>>165074583
I'm sure Assassin Duelist would be balanced.
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>>165075589
use your common sense
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>>165074583

the whole point of ascendancies was for classes to "regain their intended flavour"

so while it would bring more diversity, its not that GGG wants. they are slowly tilting the game in the direction of classic arpgs.

>>165075592

it would
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>>165075071
>can't level new character in a few hours
>thinks I'M the problem

really cooked my noodles anon
>>
>come to Cruel act 4
>all the players I see around are level 52-56
>the stuff Kira sells is around that range too
>I'm fucking 64

Just how overleveled did I get? Is this the power of having to do lab a bunch because the server kept shitting itself, and clearing the maps from Vorici and Tora's dailies whole?
>>
rip bread ded game
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>>165076861
at 64 you should be at least in act 3 merciless
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>>165076861
yes

most people dont bother clearing master's maps or even doing lab as it becomes available, or even take more than one try to do it
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>>165076861
lol 64 at act 4 cruel
holy shit dude
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>>165077520
>>165077165
>>165077147
I am not like dying or anything, just taking it easy. This is what I get for being a polite player.

Maybe this time Malachai won't fuck me in the ass at least.
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>>164962465
is there a discord?
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>>165078027
we kicked the discordfags out
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>>165078117
oh
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>>165072268
>>165071340
Just redid my tree.
Holy shit. Tons more life and nearly the same damage without added fire damage.
Thanks a bunch anon.
>>
>finished yesterday with the same exp I started with

t14s+ are dumb desu
>>
DEAD
REST IN PISS POEG
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>tfw you craft yourself an upgrade

crafting in general sucks ass but that one time you actually get something makes up for it
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dead is how we like it

fuck off
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I'm gonna use the same picture
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>>165080318
I did it
>>165080479
>>165080479
>>165080479
>>
is there a limit to the amount of sextant mods a map can be affected by?
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>>165077687
Don't worry about levels

You're just going slowly I guess, on my first char I took forever on my 2nd one I went faster and now on my like 5th one I got to level 70 in basically 1 day in like 10 hours

No big deal
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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