/aog/ - Attorney Online General

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First for Kirigiri

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Second for lewd athena

So yeah its official. This server has been killed by the very people who helped make it alive.

Back in the last year, I thought /aov/ would thrive due to how lovely the community was. But bit by bit the moderation made mistake after mistake, and the community took notice. They began to complain and this set off a powder keg we have only the moderation to blame. The thread became filled with shitposting due to the lack of contentment with the server community. The moderation could've stopped it by satisfying the community's needs, but instead chose to go a dangerous route and go against those who made them what they are. They thought they were doing the "best thing" for the server, when in actuality their choices were just putting more and more bullets into an already pained creature. The creature took so many bullets it became deformed and ugly. This scared off any newcomers to our server. Eventually people in the community could not take anymore and left. And since our community was not getting any new players, our population was coming down fast. The moderation sought to improve this, so lupadim invited /drg/ to CT here. Unfortunately that was not the solution as they're inclusion brought only more discontent within the /aov/ community, leading to more loss in the population.

Our server was on the brink of death. Now here recently they've invited 4x2 chan to play. And come they did, because it was christmas break and they had time to. However this increase in population will not last long, and already our numbers are decreasing back into the void.

By March, Aov will be dead. There is nothing we can do about this. It was completely avoidable, but it seems the people in charge just didn't care to avoid it, instead focused on their own manifestos.

So what happens then? Our server will be mostly barren, save for a few people who will get on. They won't case. Just use the game as a chat room. Many other servers have fell into this state. And soon we will too.

>>164957298
so what do you suggest? concrete things rather than abstract ideas such as "the moderation needs to do better" etc

>>164957556
Literally past the point of no return

let it die, wait a year, make new server

>>164957298
>>164957686
Wow, thanks for saying literally nothing of value, anon.
Now go back to case or fuck off.

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Based steno

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I think we should add sprites for Nani from Lilo and Stitch in. I think she would be a great addition to the game, both in a fun and sexual way. The sprites she has in Lilo and Stitch 2- Electric Boogaloo would be a perfect fit in. She even comes with her own "Objection!" line straight from the game.

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>>164957298
>the age old "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WE IZ DYING" argument.
Absolutely pathetic

>>164957298
>By March, Aov will be dead.
We've already survived a year.
We're not going to die anytime soon.

The only thing dying right now is this general, which is for the best at this point as it only serves to weaken the community more.

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>tfw ESL Diego shitstorm

>>164963163
I don't get it desu. I've been in 3 cases with him and he's always been a bit tough to understand but he's actually a good defense.

Not sure if he just stumbles on shit or actually plans shit though.

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>>164963718
And he literally proved the all flaws in case on detective

I'm telling ya, Miles was just buttmad he lost there.

>>164963163
>>164963718
His fucking broken language always ends up killing benches though. I remember one case he was lead in he killed off his entire starting def bench and atleast 2 prosecutors who rage quit due to his retarded speech.

>>164963823
t. Ini/Diego

>>164964073
You realize that even if it were any of them it wouldn't change anything, right?

>>164963163
>Benches giving up and judge ending case on lead da for no reason
>They restart the case and force diego out

yeah this is the new aov

>>164964742
>and then both benches quit

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>>164963718
>he actually is a good defense.
As someone who has been a final boss against him in the krampus case, and have prosecuted against him a total of two times now. I can safely say he is a pretty good prosecutor. If he could only get his points across enough in english for people to get the gist of what he is saying.

>>164965930
Fuck my life
*Pretty good defense attorney

>>164957298
>The moderation sought to improve this,
As we can clearly see by how reliable they are when it comes to managing bad behaviour!

I'm convinced someone shilled on /b/ earlier in the year, because people are getting more and more twitchy and aggressive. The empty vague ruleset isn't helping.

>>164972227
HOLMES REASONING

>>164963163

I've had him on the bench, as co-counsel. He does fine as far as I'm concerned. What happened?

>>164974542
>The case starts
>ESL Diego is doing his thing, while klav is doing his cartoonish german
>lead pro and co def get buttmad at ESL Diego not being a perfect englishman
>they force a verdict
>ESL Diego leaves angrily
>lets start a new case
>lead pro and co def leave too

>>164974730

What the fuck? So did they literally crash the case or was the judge on board?

More importantly, isn't the time to discuss concerns about an attorney's ability to speak English pre-case rather than during the damn thing?

>>164975130
Judge was sorta on board

>10

Rise from area 4 here.
My entire street just lost power so I have no idea when I'll be back online.
Sorry I can't case with my phone.

>>164980946
its ok

>>164957298
This

Lewdton literally does absolutely nothing at all. If it was up to him he'd probably just let the whole thing crash and burn.
Adam is just an asshole who abuses his mod powers and doesn't actually do anything unless half the fucking server is telling him otherwise.
Why the fuck Namu even has mod powers is beyond me. I don't think I've seen him do a single fucking thing in months.
Ginamod is proof that mod selection has absolutely nothing to do with credentials and it's just purely circlejerk.

Lupadim fucked up a bit yea, but the mods that were chosen under Lewdton are universally all shit with not a single redeemable factor in any of them.

I mean let's just look at a single fucking user, River, to see how shitty this fucking mod team is.
River/Frenzy since he became a meme has:
>Literally admitted in front of multiple mods that he actively shitposts to piss people off.
>Purposefully crashed several cases that had mods in there but got away scot free.
>Pony posted several fucking times.
>Has admitted to ban evasion countless times.
>Provoked several people into quitting the game.
>Has influenced at least 3 people to consistently shitpost with him.
>Has OUTRIGHT FUCKING ERP'D IN AREAS AND LOUNGE MULTIPLE TIMES
>Has chased off countless newbies by saltposting cases until they died.
And to top it all off he has came out and said that he will defend the mod's actions the second they actually permaban him but they haven't yet.
River is a living fucking example of how fucking bad this moderation team is. He is nothing but toxic to the community and yet he hasn't been perma'd yet.

Captcha: Click on the pictures with Rivers.

>>164983283
>mods that were chosen at complete random turn out to be complete shit
Gee whoda thunk it.

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I wanted to remake these animations ever since I first did these, but I just can't resize them without them getting blurry.

I think it's just a lost cause for me.

>>164983283
>the mods that were chosen under Lewdton are universally all shit
Except we haven't gotten any new mods since Lupa left. Ginamod was chosen by Lupa months ago.
The only thing that's changed about mods since Lupa left is Kirigiri mod quitting.

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>>164983283
>He believes hope is absolute good, and any deed done in the name of hope is righteous, even murder. He feels no guilt for hurting others in the name of hope, as he believes that hope will always win in the end and justify the means.
>He has a strong desire to be useful and he is very self-sacrificing, but his ways of helping are often very wrong, harmful and potentially very dangerous, as he is willing to cause temporary despair in order to have hope born from it. He has little regard for his own well-being and doesn't care for his own life, and encourages the other students to kill him to achieve their own hope. He believes that dying for the sake of hope is an honor and the only way for "someone like [him]" to be useful to the world.
>Nagito believes his views on hope are logical and extremely obvious, and has trouble relating to others when they disagree. Though he is very stubborn, he has changed his ways of thinking during the series. He is sometimes conflicted between his extreme beliefs and his own feelings. He calls himself "worthless trash" that doesn't deserve any kindness from others, but at the same time, he desires to be appreciated, loved and understood. In his fifth free-time event, Nagito revealed that his true, biggest wish is to be loved by someone at least once in his life, and to not die alone.

>>164983283
>but the mods that were chosen under Lewdton
None were.

All mods were picked by Lupa via going into an area and asking if anyone wanted to be a mod.

>>164983283

The mods in general are garbage, yeah, but it's not like we have any real candidates to replace the ones we've got, unfortunately. Anyone I can think of would do about as well.

The question is: how do you change moderator behavior to not be lazy as fuck?

>>164986048
you pay them

>>164986315

The hotpockets supplies of the server are already running low, anon.

>>164986048
You get people who actually care about the server.

>>164986048
Drop the number of mods.
There's already too many and they don't do anything anyway.

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VOTE FOR GAPING DRAGON!

http://www.strawpoll.me/12057217/r

>>164986797

But who here actually cares about the server, really?

>>164986908
I do but I don't want to be a mod

>>164986814
>literally 4
>too many

>>164987035

well it looks like we're back at square one then

>>164987120
4 "active", maybe. There were 7 in total last time I checked.

>>164987264
Then they don't fucking matter.

>>164987264
Inactive ones don't count.
Lewdton, Klavier, Gina, Cammy. That's 4.

>>164987334
>Inactive ones don't count.
They why are they still mods?

>Cammy
>active mod
kek

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If you wanna meme up your soundposting have fun with using this in the sfx name: "../../characters/<character folder>/objection"

Using "holdit" or "takethat" also works.

>>164990160
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI

Does anybody know the name of the music used in this trailer, or where I could find it on its own?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWscg-ICNq4

>>164994045
Franziska sounds sexy af

Holy shit, what the fuck are you people doing?

>>164998212
Casing.

>>164998212
Casing retardedly.

>>164998212

Casing professionally.

>>164998212
Casing sexily.

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Meme cases

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>>165005208
(Cream) cases.

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>>165005208

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>>164964073
I am the Ini of that case and I am not the guy who posted that
Present [pic related]
basically this >>164965930
he fucking nailed everything I saw wrong with the testimony on the first go and then some

>page 10
I'm not even from this general

>>165013190
t-thanks

nien

>>164983283
Honestly I think the only reason why the mods don't ban River is because they want to keep him around as a reminder as to why they are there in the first place.
That's really the only logical explanation that I can think of, I mean it's not like the guy hasn't broken rules before. I think the only rule he hasn't broken at this point is rigging server polls with IP evasion.

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How do you get this colour effect in photoshop?

>>165021208
I would think you'd overlay a translucent color layer over the image.

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I made a small animation that I had in my Alba folder for like half a year and never put it in the suggestion doc.

>page 10 again
I-is this general usually this ded?

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Rerip DD Trucy please.

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>>165031485
We have the much better model from SOJ though.

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>>165032810
The potato deserves love too.

>>164983857
>Kirigiri mod quitting.
He runs his own server and he can moderate us whenever he likes.

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Working on some blinking for the idle animations.

Surprisingly easy given the many expressions.

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>>165041925
The actual lipflaps this time.

>>165042334
>>165041925
Because you still won't poll this shit (and it is shit), I'll make one for you.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12066858

>>165042936
I'm making this for fun. I don't care if it gets added.

>>165042996
Posting for validation is just as bad.

>>165042334
Even though I don't personally want it I can say I like it more than most other custom flaps and blinking made for DR and Persona. It's clear you put effort in it.
That being said the lipflap order is off, but if it looks better that way then so be it.

>>165047063
>It's clear you put effort in it.
Too bad effort doesn't mean quality, eh

>>165042936
That's a dick move man. Let him finish doing his work and then if he wants he can poll it on his own.

>>165048618
If he's doing it for fun, the poll result won't matter, but it might hurt his pride a bit.

If he's doing it to submit it, he's saved time. At 8 no, 3 yes, it's clear only a minority want it.

>>165048862
when was the last time a poll posted in the thread passed?

really makes me think

>>165049035
Nobody looks at the strawpoll document. Everyone pretends they don't read the thread, when they do.

>>165049154
>Everyone pretends they don't read the thread, when they do.

This.

This is a high quality post in this thread that will help unite all shitposters in this thread. We should case more, and besech higher quality bantz. I speak this as a Simon Blackquil, a high renowed prosecutor who has been falsely accused of a raping a loli.

>>165049154

>Everybody pretends not to read the thread, when they do.

And no one who actually doesn't read the thread could prove you wrong since you posted this ITT

Really charges your neurons

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Dicks to save threads for dying

>>165049035

Surprisingly enough, both Rise and Hajime's polls were posted in the thread once before they passed.
Not counting all the previous Rise polls here, of course, just the last one.

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>>165060425

>>165047670
Popularity doesn't equal quality, either.

>>165048862
Yes, my poor pride is in shambles - people don't want a niche weeb series's characters in an already-bloated game server.

Without this poll, I'd have no idea!

>>165060664
Rise was server polled.

>gaping dragon is winning
also bump

>>165074819
Cant wait to case as a gaping dragon

When was June's worrie (spelled that way) and surprised emotes sped up? They look really bad and clash with the sprites way to much. Is there anyway to slow these down?

>>165074947
Yeah, same
>>165074960
Ini edit

>>165075043
No you misunderstand. I meant the speed of the actual animations. Not the timers

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How do I replace colours in a sprite with an exact colour?
I know photoshop has a "replace colour" tool but you can't select a colour to change it to, you can only mess around with the options to put a mask layer on top of it, and there doesn't seem to be a way to mess with it to get the exact colour I want.
Is there any easy way to just switch one colour with another one I already have picked out?
I'm doing it for AO stuff and I don't really know where else to ask this.

>>165074819
It's been rigged.

OH SHIT LOOK AT ALL THESE HIGHLIGHTS

https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113606776
Turnabout Hyde

https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113607903
A New Year of Turnabouts

https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113609851
Turnabout Pyre

https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113613309
https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113615723
Turnabout Ragnarok Parts 1 & 2

https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113617011
https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113617867
https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113619669
Turnabout Idol Parts 1-3

https://www.twitch tv/lawfuldickish/v/113620348
Turnabout Blue Arms

Exporting to Youtube seems fucked at the moment so it may be a while before they're uploaded there

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>>165074819
>63 votes

It also wouldn't count anyway if it's not on the strawpoll doc.

>>165076952
Apart from grabbing the paint-bucket tool and going at it, or using an entirely different program?

Not sure, I don't use PS for sprite work. And this is exactly why.

>>165081428

>filename

It worked out didn't it?

>>165084595
What is this, a case for ants?

>>165084672
I had to zoom out that far to get the entire profile in frame.

Help.

>>165084714
Take multiple screenshots and put them together in MS Paint or whatever.

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>>165077732
>Puts up a shitpost character
>Blatantly rigs it
>Constantly posts about it

For what purpose?

are you guys asleep?

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>>165089771

Twitch's youtube exporter is confirmed down for an indeterminate amount of time. No videos can be uploaded until it is fixed.

Also, on a more general note, are there any suggestions or criticisms for the current streaming/archival process? I'd like to hear any concerns you have, no matter how small

>>165090925
Is there an archive other than just checking the twitch / youtube?

I know no one uses the wiki but it'd be nice to have something on there like the case archive.

>>165090925
Let's play when?

>>165090925
I'd suggest waiting after AGDQ is over, because that is probably what is causing the problem.

>>165091607
Soon™

>>165031485
Please rerip DD Trucy.

Option for text scroll during pre-animations when?

Memes lmao.

>>165082101
What would you recommend then? I'd like to do this a bit easier.

>>165104801
I downloaded Graphics Gale ages ago, which is what I use for editing sprites in general. You should be able to find a torrent somewhere.

>>165104937
Thanks bud, I'll check it out.

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LIVE

does anyone remember the case about the Detective Robot Cosplaying as a Teacher Magician

Working on a potential new display format for cases that includes an OOC window. Please come by the stream and provide feedback
twitch tv/lawfuldickish

>>165113769
Do we still have the doc for that? I was looking for it a couple nights ago.

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How's this look for a format?

>>165119142

I prefer a larger in game screen.

Also get ready for OOC people clamoring for attention.

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>>165104937
Well I'm a retard and almost fucked my computer with malware. Thank god for system restores.

I-I'm not very good with computers.

>>165119964
Not like this wasn't done before, Faris, and I think at one point Guardly, had the OOC chat in their streams.

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>>165119964
I agree with you. However, the game screen is too wide to resize it too much without fucking things up and leaving a huge empty space at the bottom. I did my best to make it more central by putting it in the center and making it slightly bigger

Also if anyone would like to produce a banner for the bottom (Or perhaps a smaller image to be displayed with others), I'd really appreciate it

>>165121647
nice namedrops

Please vote
http://www.strawpoll.me/12073524

I swear to god you better not die

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Have this happy Elphelt to sleep with tonight!

>>165131235
Neat!
A Ram would've been better.

>>165131464
go to bed atheneanmod

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Is this sprite good enough for AO?

>>165133870
>1024x1024

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>>165136064

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>>165135268
Is this better?

>>165136404

>Shirt not tucked in
>Crumpled hat
>Armband facing too far to the front
>Non-regulation hair style

2/10 would not waifu

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>>165136724
And this?

>>165136915
Deviantart/10

So Turnabout Hologram Holocaust is lost to time? Fucking hell, I want to see it unfold again.

>>165061586
Are loli cases still a thing? Haven't been on since last january.

>>165138297

I don't think it was streamed.

And what a glorious case it was.

>>165136915
Edgy/10

>>165136915

Are you just posting lowkey Ron Paul spoilers?

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Here are some case ideas

Just a reminder judges have not actual power and you can pretty much ignore them or outright take their position without any actual consequence.

>>165140841
Seems like he is.

I have an idea for case where we practically do Undertale No Mercy path. I guess judge could be king. Prosecution Sans and Defense Attorney Tomriel.

Who else agrees?

>>165119142
Remove ooc. It's a bad idea.

Penile dysfunction

>>165140882
Just a reminder that this is a glorified chat room role playing game and nobody has any power due to the magic of improv.

>>165149906
Just a reminder that nobody has actual power in the real world other than those we choose to recognize

>>165152684

Just a reminder that anything other than physical strength is a lie and a construct of society.

Ave, true to caesar.

>>165153302

Just a reminder that Redd White is an innocent information broker.

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The work on the new OOC-inclusive format has inspired me to update the normal format to have a bigger main window, incorporate the top bar, and reduce the size of the IC log

>>165153697
Redd White did nothing wrong
April may on other hand.. She can die in a fire.

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Are you?

>>165158080
Cosplayer is the mastermind

OH SHIT LOOK AT THESE YOUTUBE VIDEOS

https://youtu.be/3hAKX09tGkY
Pretentious Turnabout

https://youtu.be/WiQKRkcErQM
Turnabout Hyde

https://youtu.be/4pKAepwKJc8
Turnabout Pyre

https://youtu.be/a-kw25rMYMo
A New Year Of Turnabouts

https://youtu.be/_VfeMEX71HY
https://youtu.be/RdEmNp1vTTA
https://youtu.be/5hsTm80pktU
Turnabout Idol parts 1 through 3

https://youtu.be/yeJe-gk2fic
Turnabout Ragnarök part 2 (part 1 seems to be missing, will be fixed later)

https://youtu.be/rzAOmUkit4k
Turnabout Blue Arms

Memes

>>165158186
Why are you dropping DR spoilers in an AA thread?
DRG is down the hall, my friend.

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>>165163751
>implying i'm ever going to play ron pauls
Thank waifu fags on AO for that

>>165164527
Well, I assume you got those spoilers from there in the first place.

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>>165164841
>people thinking i'm that guy

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>>165164915

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>>165165189
I merely responded to the wrong post

So why did Diego get taken off CSS again?

>>165167427
Because fuck spanish.

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>>165167427

Who is this mysterious man?

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QUIT DYING YOU STUPID FUCKS

>>165176548
'no'

Why won't you let me die?

Are Athena players hardwired to end all fun?

>>165179429
Bless you, steno.

>>165179429
This fucking conway

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>>165077079
It's not. I voted yes

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>>165185679

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>>165185880
I voted yes too, that means its not rigged

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>>165186624
To be fair, it had 20+ yes votes before I voted...

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>>165187667
It had like +10 yes votes when I did

>>165187735
Yeah, it added 10 votes when you voted.

Riggers.

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>>165189324
Maybe. The votes do seem a little high.

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Jesus page 10

>>165195890
Buddha page 9

The deadest general.

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Don't bully

General is dead, which makes sense considering Kaede is dead

literally who

>>165204629
D-delete this!

Rescuing the thread yet again

>>165209137
Why thread when you can case?

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I heard you guys need a bump.
So here's a logo for the Twitch!
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to sleep!

>tfw get mercilessly bullied as the lead

>>164994045
I still haven't the slightest idea where to even begin to look for the song in this thing.

Anybody recognize it at all?

>>165215975
Sounds like an orchestral remix of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUPCWRnGWPw

Not sure if it was ever released on an audio CD, but that'd be your best bet.

>>165216821
How the hell have I not heard this before?

>>165216821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NES2jjZ9R1s

FUCKING FOUND IT.

>>165211175
saved

>>165217037
Because it plays in one place in the game, the credits., so it's easy to not remember it. It's a shame, because it contains almost all of the motifs for the songs from AAI, and is generally a nice piece.

I only know of it because, considering Miles has a Great Revival theme from JFA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA-tSeu4MTA) - which was remixed (badly) for DD, and then a Greater Revival theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL50leXaFe8) from AAI2, I thought it was weird that he didn't have one that plays in-game for AAI. Turns out, he does - it's just that the vast majority of players probably don't remember it because it plays during the credits scenes.

>>165217258
Good to know you found it.

>>165220327
Everyone kept asking him about his van, and talking about how he fiddled kids, even before he said anything lewd

forced ass cap

>>165220807
No they didn't. In fact they just asked what he was up to.

Miles asked at the end "I seriously hope you weren't propositioning the girl".

What are you on about, even?

>>165221818
>teehee I bet he has a van
>teehee, he probably fucks lolis
>I'll quit the case if he does
Yeah nah they baited that shit.

Should Great Revival 2009 be added to the music list, seeing as it's AA content?

I'd prefer the orchestral version myself, and I'd probably cut it a bit since it takes a little while to get going.

>>165226845
To elaborate, I would cut it the same way the Cast Trailer for AAI cut it.

>>165225063
If I had a dime for every time the peanut gallery made a pedophilia joke I'd be a millionaire.

Bumppu

>>165236146
Lewd

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>>165244873
Been a long since I saw this meme

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>>165252470
Are you me? These are some very old memes

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>>165256440

Come case in area 2 you dear mongloids

I got a poll for you fuckers.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12084577

>>165267561
Ded?

>>165236146
Fun case, that one.

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Why is there a denied poll on the suggestions doc?

Just for thread bumps and to throw some discussion into the thread, can we talk about the MMO acronym (motive, means, opportunity) and how it's gone from a guideline for theories/building cases to the be-all and end-all of any indictment ever made? A lot of times, rather than press the Defense on why certain pieces of evidence exist or details for their theory they'll just refer back to one of the trinity.

>Indictment occurs
>Oh yeah? What did they use to kill the victim?
>Oh yeah? When did they kill the victim?
>Oh yeah? Why did they kill the victim?

And then once the Defense answers those three questions the case is wrapped up. The closest I've recently seen evidence actually directly addressed is "Why are the defendant's prints on the murder weapon?" but that's just a re-phrase of "means". This leads to a lot of cases feeling formulaic, with the only real innovation provided is in bullshitting a motive, because again, Prosecutors push the motive issue to it's breaking point simply because it's usually the hardest to prove.

To flesh out my gist, look at the very first Ace Attorney case. The climactic Turnabout happens when Phoenix proves that a clock was off because the victim traveled with it and didn't reset it. However, had the same case happened in AO, no one would have cared for proving that the clock had been running fast the day of the crime. All the Prosecutor would have done is objected and asked for Sahwit's motive, and with none forthcoming, motioned for a verdict. Hell, they don't even provide Sahwit's motive until AFTER the Not Guilty in a kind of epilogue.

tl;dr Attorneys should move away from MMO as the be-all, end-all of indictments and instead focus on making it fit all existing evidence. Motive should be de-emphasised and replaced with pressing the Defense for details on how their theory accounts for the existence of all evidence.

>>165277558
I don't usually use the MMO thing as a prosecutor. Not because I was against it, but because I just didn't think of it.

>>165278084

Even without knowing the specific acronym, though, I've found that both sides put an absurd amount of stock in those three elements and almost completely disregard evidence after a certain point -- once the Defense proves those three things it's over, if they can't, it's over. No "Prove the witness was at the scene!", no "Is that so? Then tell me why the Defendant's wallet was found at the scene!" It's all just "Why commit the crime? How? When?"

>>165278310
I never see that much either. I'll try to do more things like that the next time I prosecute.

>>165278619

If my post get someone to consider it, I'll consider it mission accomplished!

What people don't realize is that the Prosecution in Ace Attorney games very rarely ever directly refutes the defense with a theory or a rebuttal. They just ask them A) what their explanation is and B) what proof they have of it. Hell, just answering A and backing it up with a contradiction is enough to get the next witness most times. B kicks in when the trial goes down to the wire.

I realize the issue here is that it would require more work on the parts of both Prosecutors and Defense Attorneys, but that's the price you pay for originality and less formulaic cases.

>>165279090
I dont agree, I remember Blackquil often turning around defense theories into his favor.

>>165279376

It happens to be sure, but less often than people usually remember. For example, Nahyuta (who was specifically noted for doing it) counter-theorizes around twice in the first case you see with him in it, and less in the second.

Blackquill I can't comment on too much because I didn't like Dual Destinies but if you try to recall specific examples you'll probably find there aren't too many.

>>165277558
Means and opportunity are important and mostly vital.

Motive is nothing more than a cockblock and if a Prosecutor's case rests on "but muh motive" just shut that shit down.

>>165283660
Honestly, motive tends to be revealed during the culprit's breakdown.

>>165279834
>I didn't like Dual Destinies
Who does?

>>165286989
Me...

>>165283660

Of course, but they're also relatively easy to prove the possibility of, and also

>Motive is nothing more than a cockblock and if a Prosecutor's case rests on "but muh motive" just shut that shit down.

When I'm judging I do so, but I've seen loads of judges Guilty a case based purely off a missing motive.

>>165287421
So basically the defense can basically prove that the witness did it, but since they don't have a motive, it's guilty?

>>165287421
I can sometimes see that happen
But sometimes the motive really is required.

>>165287151
It picks up at the end 2bh
I liked how Fullbright comes in with the lighter that saves your client, but then puts the guilt on Athena and turns into case 5

>>165287421
>but I've seen loads of judges Guilty a case based purely off a missing motive.
That's the thing, we have a ton of really bad judges. That's part of the reason cases take so long - bad judging.

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>>165287939
Sometimes both (defendant and indicted witness) have means and opportunity but only the defendant has a clear motive.
That and the witness won't confess either.
>>165288230
Are you saying judges should tell the prosecution that motives are not important?

>>165267561
Votes are tied, so I'm gonna wait until later tonight to decide.

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Bump

>>165288795

>Are you saying judges should tell the prosecution that motives are not important?

Not that guy, moreso that witnesses should choose to be Frank Sahwit sometimes over Damon Gant. What I mean by that is sometimes the evidence, the Prosecution, or the case in general is hard enough that the Defense has already done a Turnabout, you don't need a final boss with three testimonies to determine their motive for the crime, nor do you need to keep throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Sometimes killers break down on the stand just for having their murders thrown in their faces. Take Redd White for instance. It's gotten to the point where we use the words "Final Boss" and "True Culprit" interchangeably, as if the true culprit HAS to be the one holding the Defense's feet to the fire, rather than the Prosecutor or the case in general.

>>165295487
Or DAs could start asking about connection with victim/defendant at start of testimonies.

>>165296239

Are you trying to say that every witness should just give the Defense an indictable motive just because they asked nicely?

If you ask me, if it doesn't come up during the trial it makes much more sense screaming it during a break-down than it does saying "oh yeah and I really, really hate the victim" at the beginning of every cross-examination.

Also

>muh relevans
>No, I don't know the victim
>Yeah, I know the victim. I love the guy!

Insisting that witnesses start spoonfeeding motives is as short-sighted a "solution" as I've heard.

>>165296563
Who said anything about indictable motive, just reply with: We were friends. We barely knew each other. We were work partners.

Its not much but it gives something defense to work with.

>>165296749

No it doesn't. "We barely knew each other" is a literal non-starter. Might as well say "By the way, I have no motive." The first is the same thing, how does a positive relationship with the victim give the Defense something to work with in terms of a damn motive for murder?

Only the last one is decent in that if outside information implies some kind of mishap at work the Defense can work with that. My point is that pretending there is no issue when a good case stalls out because the indicted witness has no provable motive or relationship with the Defendant is counterproductive. And suggesting that there is a one-size-fits-all solution much the same.

Some witnesses (as others already do this) just need to work on every case as unique, and change their true culprit tactics as it fits the case itself. My entire suggestion is moving away from the formulaic "MMO" shtick and instead focusing more on case-specific evidence/circumstances. If you, as a true culprit witness, see that maybe the Defense doesn't have enough to prove a solid motive, just make sure the other elements of their case are strong and throw them a bone.

I say this as someone who plays all roles and has seen a case stall out from all points of view because of shit like this. In the end it's improv.

>>165297287
Friendship could have turned sour,
We barely knew each other -> evidence points to witness lying, how, why?

These relationships don't have to end up in murder. They are just to put more LORE

>>165297287
People aren't willing to change, though. You have to go do it yourself. It's futile trying to talk sense into these people.

I thought supports and cos were a waste of time, so I cut them out of a doc, and had a short case.

>>165297492

>Friendship could have turned sour,

Nice conjecture, Defense, verdict please?

>We barely knew each other -> evidence points to witness lying, how, why?

This is decent. But you've given two nebulous examples, anon, as a "solution" to vague-ass motives in ALL cases. Why shift all the blame onto one specific role?

>These relationships don't have to end up in murder. They are just to put more LORE

True enough, I think that every witness should strive to have SOME kind of relationship to others in the case. However, I disagree that they don't have to end in murder -- if you're planning on being the true culprit, of course you should either accept breaking down without a solid, proven motive given or plan out a motive that you reveal to the court yourself. That's what I'm trying to say: if you do NEITHER of those things then it's entirely your fault if the case stalls because no one can come up with a motive for you. If you're a Prosecutor who damn well knows there's no provable, solid motive for any witnesses and you insist the Defense bullshit one then it's your fault the case stalls, and this goes for judges too, and Defense Attorneys who don't indict a very easy case to make because they're missing a motive.

>>165297536

I do, but sometimes I find myself agreeing with posts on the thread because they put into words things I've felt about casing, so I decided to discuss things here. And we all know we need the bumps.

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borscht?

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>>165301240
No.

Alright, so it looks like people want both versions of Great Revival 2009.

So I'll be putting up the full version of the original, but I had an idea for the orchestral.

Do you guys want the full version of the orchestral as well, or do you want the trailer cut of it, as heard in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWscg-ICNq4 ?
The trailer cut removes some of the track, but gets to the point quickly. I figure that would be more useful for more climactic moments.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12087449

>>165302504
ayy, more bloat. It'll get played this week only.

>page 10

Goddammit lads

>>165296239
Irrelevant! The witness' relationship with the victim has no bearing on this trial.

Everyone, defense, prosecution, judge, and witness has gotten so bored of seeing that one single line that people don't ask anymore. Because it's always said.

>>165288795
>Are you saying judges should tell the prosecution that motives are not important?
I didn't say that anywhere.

Motives fall under "nice to have". A lot of the AA villains have paper motives and some have no motive. We really don't need to spend hours talking about them if it's been proven that it's exponentially more likely that they did it than some hapless passerby defendant..

Memes

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>>165318209
Gina mod is a good addition to the mod team.

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Posting from request

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>>165324172
Without it

>>165324172
A chicken wing, like what the Ultimate Tennis Player was to the piranhas that the Ultimate Maid fed him to in the second case of Danganronpa 3

Dear mods: Area 2. Right now. The King (Judge) and Simon (Prosecutor) are both shitposting spamming copypasta. And are probably multiclienting. And none of you are online to stop it.

This feels like how January should feel.

Well, some shitposters found out none of the mods are on and are trying to crash a case.

>>165326305
>>165326313
>>165326390
>This is what He Shall Not Be Named was modded to handle
>It happens again

It was Yop the whole time, what a fucking surprise.

Shills are always too proud of their work to not taunt while they do it.

>>165326305
Case crashed cause no mods were on to fix it.

>>165326305
I actually suspect those two were also Q, considering they used similar copypasta.

Did the server die?

Mods, we broke it.

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>Mods leave
>Cases crash and the entire server dies
It's like we're toddlers or dogs or something.

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>>165327436
Really makes you think.

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>>165326305
>>165326572
>>165327045
I should have suspected that they were in on it, the way the two of them kept spamming his name whenever he showed up. At least now we know the signs.

>>165326305

Apologies for that, bit late now but they are banned.

>>165329607
>Rhoda's finally banned

Thank you.

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>>165329607
A smol consolation, but thank you nonetheless. At least its over.

Drew is missing his (a)D&VWorry.gif

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>>165327718

Blaize it Debeste!

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>>165339820

>>165326390
>>165326804

Susato mod, I should have been on AO at the moment this happened. Unfortunately, I was uploading a very large update, and my internet is not the best. I know it sound like I am making excuses, but that really is the reason. I'll try to make sure this doesn't happen again.

>>165335264

Has no one ever roleplayed him as a tranny slut with a tendency to show his "tits"?

>>165341882
It's fine Names. You shouldn't have to do all the mod work. There's 6 people on your "team" you don't have to apologize for pulling 4 1/2 of their weights on your back.
We all appreciate the work you do. We just hope others start doing their share this year.

>>165345652
He hasn't been ripped yet. Probably due to how little potential he has in cases.

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>>165346984
>Gina mod
>Names

they're not useless senpai, they can't be names

>>165332325
It's done. You can sleep easy, now.

>>165349385

>Names
>Not Trick

>>165349679
Trick=Frick

>>165349725
Frick=Fronk

>>165350908
Fronk = Fluffles

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Borscht?

Is the Professor Layton crossover any good?

>>165355356
Borscht = borscht.

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This case sure is going places.

The new update is ready, sorry about the delay.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n9wdt_WCdW07CaBTcTc_zfq_6HrV41Xw6PqnyOuYqGg/edit#

Included in the "Other" section is a link that will replace older characters with compressed versions, it wont effect quality, it will help with file size.

There will also be a new rule in regards to content addition, it will be in effect going forward.

Any content submitted must be reasonably compressed, if you're uploading a full raw gif or mp3 with an excessive filesize then it won't be added to the update.