Bellringer Edition
Shadowverse is a free-to-play, class-based collectible card game similar to Hearthstone
The expansion, Rise of Bahamut released on Dec. 29th.
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Platforms: iOS, Android, Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/app/453480/)
Official Website:
https://shadowverse.com/
Card Database/Deck Editor:
https://shadowverse-portal.com/
Intro Guide/FAQ:
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Take 2 Card Rankings:
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Card Collection Tracker/Pack EV Calculator:
Make a copy to edit your own.
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Updated card art package.
-Added RoB art
-Fixed Vampire Queen art which was flipped upside down
-Changed filenames to match the card names (card number is still included)
-1163 images, 1.68 GB
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A growing collection of animated golds/legendaries:
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You can listen and download both EN/JP voices for cards at this place:
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Dead: >>164911010
38849
Need a private match for the daily. Could also use one for the private match quest if you want to stay for me to go face.
>>164926359
Skelly man sounds too jovial for his role.
>DUDE JUST ROLL THE DICE TO SEE IF YOU WIN THE GAME BY TURN 5 LMAO
Nice fucking game retards.
Why is the white wolf animation so pretty?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTm_ARrnx-4
>>164926345
if it ranked or unranked? what rank?
>>164926217
So I just opened my intro packs. Are any of these legends good?
>>164926556
Welcome to the genre retard.
>>164926620
No, reroll.
Ruler of the skies!
>>164926620
Everything except Skullfane sees use, I would keep this for sure.
Can someone tell me what the specific cards are and the order of playing them for the OTK with this deck: https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/deck/appmedia-combo-otk-forestcraft
I'm wracking my brain trying to figure it out and it's just not coming to me. I found one, actually, but it seems way too intense a hand for it to be the name of the deck. Clearly, I'm a fucking idiot, so can some kind anon enlighten me?
(0) 4x 0-cost
(2) 1x Roach
(5) 1x Ancient Elf
(6) 1x 1-cost
(10) 2x Roach
>>164926359
Thanks m8
>>164926620
some are good
elf is the staple for elves (any their deck), albert is for swords, matriarch is good for control blood (but everybody plays aggro blood), odin is against seraph/mordekai, olivia is good too, sahaquiel is questionable, skullfane is a dust fodder
>>164926217
>No /hsg/
Umm Shadowbabs?
>>164926787
I would tell you, but I dont want to see this stupid fucking deck in ranked any more than I have to.
need a break from ranked, come meme with me
8/20
57878
>>164926787
Just fucking kill yourself.
H-HEAR
>>164926787
Although it is called an OTK deck, it's very rare you actually do the full 20 damage.
The most common one I've seen is probably something like 0-0-0, Fairy Circle, Roach (5), Bounce, Roach(7), Roach(8)
YOU'LL NEVER TOUCH AMELIA!
Today I will remind them
>>164926857
>>164926787
I WANT TOHOLD HANDSWITH GOBU
>>164926787
there's no specific otk
you chip for damage early with 1 drops and roach ancient elf plays until you have enough damage in hand to close out the game
if they don't pressure you, you can build up a hand that does 20+ damage, but usually you close the game with a 11-15 dmg combo
>>164927093
>aggro blood isn't cancer
16170
just passing turns
Does Hearthstone have cancer decks like Daria or Seraph Elana in their game?
Pluto is the queen of smug.
>You wanted to do dailies in ranked? Too bad, get your lose streak
>>164926390
Thanks for the game. I fucking hate Priest of the Cudgel.
Need another dude to fight in Take Two: 38883
>>164927040
I just can't shake this feeling that Gelt is gay. He just sets off my gaydar so bad.
>>164927143
i want totouch the tail offelpurr kitten!
>>164927281
But anon,Hearthstone is cancer
fuck khawy
Who put a heal and a clear on a fucking ward? Jesus fucking overstatted christ
I crafted the Daria and Levi needed for aggro runecraft since I rerolled in to a runecraft only quest and didn't want to fuck it up.
I feel guilty, this shit is so easy.
WHAT DOES THIS DO GUYS?
>>164927357
7 mana
Whew lads, the Turks are damn crazy at nights like this
New player question!
The "Link Shadowverse with another service" mission: what does that involve? Is that the thing where you link accounts with a phone version? I doubt my old smartphone'd be able to play this game...
>>164926217
>dong pic
>perfect OP
I guess I'm being tricketed here
>>164927392
Wins the game for you at exchange of your life's luck
>>164927281
Pirate warrior
>>164927357
not to forget luna can pop it with urd
>>164927392
Deals 1 damage to an enemy.
Post cards that when your enemy plays it, you know you've won.
>>164927328
>I fucking hate Priest of the Cudgel.
I see your weakness!
Whats up with Unranked and Dragon all day?
>>164927357
Sometimes I feel really bad dropping Khawy in front of Daria. Rune players take their entire turn trying to figure out what to do.
Sword is dead they say.
Observe the young dragoon in her natural habitat, misled to believe she could beat a true alpha male
お前はもうリンゴン
is this the greatest top deck of all time?
>>164927896
so, is it ranked or ranked
?? do you actually climb with that deck?
Legit question: Why DiscardDragon doesn't use this big guy more often?
>>164927762
lol
it's where I go to test out my decks
>>164927328
Still going on
Need another dude to fight in Take Two: 38883
>>164926934
>Play Atomy
>Dies instantly
Sure is Atomy. I had fun though.
>>164927762
Yeah I faced a ton of dragons too.I was doing my own Dragon dailies because Face Dragon is hot garbage and I don't want to play it in ranked.
>>164927035
Alright. That seems just a bit more reasonable than the one I was thinking just because of the one less 0-cost needed.
Thanks, anon.
Sorry to the two others that don't want me to play the deck. It's the only full deck I have and I love the way the deck plays. Honto ni gomennasai.
>>164927145
>but usually you close the game with a 11-15 dmg combo
Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I just thought since it's got OTK/Combo in the name that I just wasn't seeing some super obvious amazing thing that's easier to build up during a game.
Looking at the anon's example now does seem pretty simple to get to though. Thank you as well, anon.
>>164928054
He used to be the entire point of the deck before they decided to make Discard marginally less of a meme, but he's way too easy to remove and easily leads to decking yourself out, especially when used in tandem with Dragoon. He's like Bahamut if Bahamut didn't clear the board and instead ran yourself towards a cliff.
He's not too bad, though. Has potential as a 1 or 2 of to force an answer out of the enemy, but Dragoon is more reliable and should still be the main wincon.
>>164927889
one of my fav cards
>cucked turn6 Implancer+evolve with Yurius
Best feel
Are there any cheap sword decks for dailies? I hear royal banner is shit now, so I need something else.
What's some of your favorite card art from the new expansion?
I really like swords to woodlands, it looks like an actual spellcard from mtg.
>>164927889
>>164928213
I love doing that with Aurelia when they have a full board then Alberto the following turn
>>164928213
list?
>>164928092
For me it's where i go do my dailies, always lose streaks in ranked during dailies unless they are Win X Ranked, i don't know why
>>164927174
you just can't handle vampy's rapid fire love
> Play Bahamut.
> Enemy floods board to prevent it attacking.
> Play Revelation.
> Me go face.
I love this small combo. Normally if people can't remove Bahamut from the board they've lost anyway, but it feels good.
>>164928376
>control blood gets to turn 10
keked.
>>164928046
What kinda question is this, plus who plays unranked
>>164928376
> not bahamuting your own bahamut to assert dominance
if their response to the first one was to flood surely they have no answer for a second one!
36692
concede pls
>a-anon, you can check gamepress to keep up with the latest meta!
>decks pack zero removal
>sword list is literally "cram in every leggo possible and forget about strategy"
A bit late to the party but I heard Nep is fixed now. What changes did Nep bring to the meta now that you guys obviously tried you Nep decks. Have one and was thinking of trying her out once I have enough dust
>tfw couldn't stop the mushu
>>164928376
>Control blood surviving to turn 10
You just haven't run into any unga decks.
49015
Need a concede for my daily
>>164928518
I play unranked to test out new decks.
>>164927174
vampy just wants you to pet her head wings!
>>164928623
>>a-anon, you can check gamepress to keep up with the latest meta!
Said no one ever.
>>164928315
>>164928642
You deserve it for being a filthy elf lover.
What's a good Haven deck right now? I haven't played it for a long time and I have daily for winning 1 match but I can't seem to get any win in 5 tries. It feels really sluggish to play now.
>>164928473
I almost always do. Aggro isn't an issue. The decks that shaft me are some Dragon Decks and D-shift.
Of course I lose the occasional game to Aggro, but it's no a common occurrence.
>>164928657
Control blood is great against aggro unless you brick hard AND the enemy is smart enough to play around revelation, which is a rare combo.
>>164928583
Now there's a good idea. I'll keep that in mind.
>>164928663
>.png
>>164928623
>gamewith
>>164928720
seraph
>>164928663
thanks vampy
>>164928678
Just fucking test it in ranked so you know, you can actually test it against decks you will be facing on ladder. There's no reward for being a certain rank so who cares you lose points
>>164928642
Evolve Princess.Place roach.What were you doing?
>>164928707
that's what i interpreted from the op. am i in the majority?
>>164928663
>>164928783
Wow, can't even the chicken character in messages
>watching that jap guy trying castle in the sky
it seems that amulet needs 10 turn count
Are there any other RoB cards that feature her?
>have only 2 complete sets of legos
>Atomeme and Pluto
>>164928636
Nep is just a worse version of Daria. But with the added bonus of increasing the amount of seraph players by 500% because Seraph shits on Nep.
>>164928623
instructions unclear
did not have enough legendaries
Love this meme
>>164928801
I only have 1 seraph and it got petrified
>>164929074
>petrifying a statue
>>164929074
You're supposed to run Bahamut as welland a 2nd copy
>>164929074
back to her being a statue, i guess
>>164929021
>Play Seraph
>Sit at like 2 HP
>Don't even have to give a shit because Nep Shadow has no goddamn reach whatsoever.
Don't drop the Howls boys.
>>164928975
watching where senpai
>>164928636
nep loses to aggro and seraph, the two major decks in the meta. nep gets stomped by bats, daria, d-shift, seraph anything that ends the game turn 9 or earlier.
>>164929223
somebody posted a youtube link in the previous thread, it's not a stream
Lurching Corpse should have ward
>>164928876
Still learning on playing Forest
>>164929353
Why? I rather they ignore it so you can urd it for free removals
>>164929262
not if neps runs feathered patrollers and possibly even spartoi soldiers, that cucks bats
>>164929262
I win a number of games by T7 with Nep decks and have done pretty well against Daria/Bats
>>164929353
Nah only blood gets access to overstatted low cost followers
Didn't you get the memo
>>164929421
I need more defense
>>164929421
I second this
>>164929421
Im not looking forward to the day when people realize they need to kill Attendants/Lurchings instead of ignoring them.
>>164929353
Balor should have ward
>>164929005
Don't cry buddy, it's Olivia, Fairy Princess and FOUR Skullfanes for me
>>164929209
>mfw Seraph player
>mfw Nep shadow runs literally 0 burn whatsoever
Literally free wins.
>>164929421
People aren't that stupid anymore. They kill lurching and attendant as soon as they come out so you can't urd it.
>see attendant drop
>kill it and end turn
>opponent :thinking: for over 30 secs
Need a private match win
If you need a private match for the achievement, just let me kill or or w/e
95269
Or play it out, i really dont care.
>Last word: Win the game
A FUCKING EXODIA IN MOBILE CARD GAME
CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>164929540
for all those times I needed the 3 damage drop but was always 1 round short
>>164929424
What are feathered patrollers
>>164929530
It's a gamble really. Killing them early can put you at a huge disadvantage, but if there's no Urd or Necro it's better to leave them up.
What if they add Dirty Rat to the game but instead of the stupid summon a random card from hand, it's summon the lowest cost card they have in their hand
Would you play it to deal with roach and seraphs
>tfw play Dirt Rune pre-RoB
>Always had the short end of the stick and have to work on my wins
>Crafted Daria now and take it easy
This is my reward, I need a vacation
>>164929846
>>164929606
why did you post this twice?
>>164929846
But Dirt Rune dumpsters Daria.
>>164929724
they patrol the forest and have feathers
Someone please post the safest Seraph deck to climb with
Can I do it wih only two Seraphs?
>>164929757
doesn't do shit to roaches, he's gonna have 0 costs and fairies
you'd end up pulling nuns and shit from seraph
>>164929757
it will pull fairy every time tho
and how it helps with seraph? sisters?
So Swordcraft are the good guys of the lore? Is there even a single swordcraft follower who can be considered evil?
>>164929881
Didnt mean to quote, deleted it anyway
>>164929885
Yes but it gets shat on by everyone else.
>>164929424
you're telling me people don't run feathered patrollers?
>>164929907
3 Seraphs is more of a preference.
>>164929907
2 seraph, 1 bahamut, 1 odin, 3 themis, 2 tribunal, all the banishes, all the countdown reductions, and some heals
figure out the rest yourself
>>164929530
first time playing against them my wards were rendered useless. they can't be answered with standard trades/removal
I see Forest so little these days I almost want to play the deck.
95% of my matches are Blood and Rune.
>>164928636
desu the only deck i have who has problems with Nep is StormHaven
Even my Roaches, which i am legit bad at pilot, have a positive winrate agaist her
>>164929616
shameless bump
Sorry to seem impatient, but i like my dailies to be close in time.
>>164929945
>>164929740
ironic shitposting yada yada
>>164929907
this recent jap netdeck has two seraphs
no idea how it works
posted it in the previous thread asking advice
>>164929965
Bats face smasher here
What the fuck is a Feathered Patroller?
>>164929461
Not using Unicas? They basically might as well have ward early game
>>164929602
>Killing Attendant on curve and ending your turn so Lich can be used to punch your face for 4 or 6 if he's going 2nd.
What did he mean by this?
>Lose because my hand bricked for two turns by topdecking two darias I couldn't play because the only other two cards in my hand were dance of death
For all the crying /shitversegeneral/ is doing about this deck it's pretty inconsistent.
>>164929907
I actually have the most success running a one of seraph in an elana tempo deck. Shits on aggro but dies to combo
>>164929945
>>164929740
>These are the kind of people who play SV
>>164929915
But it's good to get rid of their 0 costs, especially if you manage to pull the goblin mage. Now they lose a 0 cost and it's sitting on their board blocking space
>>164929993
forest gets cucked by shadow now
>>164929724
you're forgetting the 3 soul conversions and maybe impious ressurections and the fact that they discourage wards as well. killing lurchings asap is always the best play. it makes their hands brick.
>>164929907
most people run it with only two
>>164930098
>Literally against Forest right now
>They got 4 1/1 cards on the field then one boss monster
>Fawny targeted the boss monster BOTH TIMES
I almost feel bad
>>164929724
I dont consider it a gamble. Your average Shadow deck has 25% of their deck devoted to the ability to kill their own followers.
90% of the time theyre going to be able to kill something on their board on T4.
>>164930049
>no idea how it works
looks like gas your opponent out then throw seraph.
>>164930101
>killing lurchings asap is always the best play
what if you are aggro bat
>>164929021
>>164929262
Dayum. Thats a bit sad since Nep is like my first lego. Kanda dissapointed after so much hype she turned into a meme deck like neutral craft. Btw her next turn was plea then decree not that it helps
Anyone has a working Bannermme and FaceDragon list for unranked sword and dragon dailies?
>>164930165
read the card
>>164930101
If you kill their lurching you lose a better value card to it. If they soul conversion they draw 2, but get hit with presumably two face damage from whatever you have on board and you should be looking to end the game as fast as possible against Nep shadow.
This will change if Nep ever begins teching in impious resurrections since it's a triple threat of that/Urd/Necro bitch but until then, it's not as black and white as you think.
>>164930165
the only card that really fucks forest over is death's breath, the rest of shadow's RNG bullshit doesn't even matter
the match up is literally just can you get enough shadows to death's breath turn 6
>>164930205
depends if you have yurius or veight in hand.
Remember to always maximize your damage even if you dont need to or you will fuck up later down the road.
If the opponent has 1 health and you have your roach combo you do not just drop that roach you better fucking drop gobbu fairy fairy fairy ancient elf fairy fairy natures guidance fairy roach then evolve it then punch them in the dick.
>>164930196
i meant how well it works
that guy claimed it's dorothy-proof
>>164928882
The OP is outdated because no one gives a fuck about it and everyone knows that Gamewith/Gamepress is shit now.
>>164930302
I would believe it
Dorothy has big bodies, and it opted for tribunal and sledge as well as themis
>>164929021
My Nep deck has no problems with dealing with Daria.Though that's probably because I'm a C1 shitter.
>>164930247
>a working Bannermme
Banner + anything with storm.
>>164929616
>>164930010
fug, that was a waste of a 1-2-3-4 curve
well w/e, it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
>>164930247
here you go
>>164928882
Gamepress is actually always up to date these days - it's GameAI that's behind because they usually only go by tournament statistics.
However, GameAI has better decklists because of that while Gamepress is literally random shit thrown together.
>>164930265
>If you kill their lurching you lose a better value card to it.
no i won't. i'm talking about very early game, like turn 2 to 4. if you have a clear board or trade evenly 2 drop to 2 drop you will come out ahead in that trade. just play your cards after lurching is dead, its not hard.
>This will change if Nep ever begins teching in impious resurrections since it's a triple threat of that/Urd/Necro bitch but until then, it's not as black and white as you think.
except they already do and its even more reason to just kill the lurches as fast as possible. even if they aren't playing it, killing them when you have an empty board early is preferable to letting them hit you in the face then take out your evolve.
>>164930430
Is Face Dragon actually good? I pretty much only see Ramp Dragon on Ranked
>>164930430
facedragon doesn't run trinity or imprisoned now?
>>164930427
Thanks dude.
Sorry you got good rng there and not a match that matters.
Hopefully its foreshadowing for matches to come.
>>164930393
I forgot to mention that I have yet to go up against Seraph.
>copy a deck code from high Masters
>copy their playstyle
>climb rank
How is this game considered competitive? Literally a retard could do what I'm doing.
>>164929907
Go nuts
>>164929976
>>164929990
>>164930049
>>164930074
>>164930112
How's this? Had to liquifySkullfaneto complete it
>>164930284
you didn't maximize damage there son
roach guidance roach is more damage
>but he has 1 hp
don't attack with it the first time duh
>>164930565
>only 2 wards
have fun getting roached down
Whats mascot nep? Saw an anon talking about it, how is it different to normal nep?
>>164930560
when you get to a higher rank/masters and everyone does that, how is it not? You are all on a level playing field where execution will matter,
>>164930487
its very underrated deck right now and it has a good winrate for me with my build, also sometimes i cut the demostrikes for more golbin mage and sand dragons for more constanticy
>>164930430
Thanks but no Trinity?
>>164930612
Fucking no one in A plays Forest and they run shit like Pixie Mischief to deal with that problem so I don't give a fuck. I can accept losing a rare matchup.
>>164930284
i wish elves weren't roach dependent mathematical cancer because they are cute af and i would love to play them
>>164930447
>while gamepress is literally random shit throw together
You can say that again, just have a look at their Discard Dragon list.
>>164930472
>if you have a clear board or trade evenly 2 drop to 2 drop you will come out ahead in that trade.
What? No. Against control you want to hit end the game as soon as possible. That extra 2 damage, especially with an aggro deck like bats or banner, is extremely vital before they can stabilizing with death's breath or Khawy. They WANT you to trade so they can draw out the game until the turn 8 Hearthstone vomit random shit on board play.
>except they already do
I'm looking at GameAI right now and I don't see many decks running it, Anon.
>letting them hit you in the face then take out your evolve.
Once again, that's assuming they have necro assassin or Urd in hand. Like I said, it's a gamble and depending on the matchup. You're giving garbage advice that I can only assume you're a Nep shitter hoping to steer aggro players wrong.
>>164930501
you can run trinity if you want more minions that cant be attacked but i like having goblin mage for card advantage, as for imprison dragon i dont think you really need wards right now. carrot is also a good card to throw in
>>164930692
i believe otk roach is crazy popular in less than a week
>>164930447
i like gamewith because they update their stuff daily, at least right now
>>164930587
i personally dont like exorcist because its a dead card when you dont have evolutions. I would drop them for the 3 drop that draws an amulet from your deck.
healing angel is also mediocre without elana. again just my opinion but I would drop a few for the 2 mana heal and draw a card
>>164930284
I do this
I also drop all my 6 7 8 roaches on the board first before attacking face
>>164930692
that's why you play a low cost ward, evolve it so it has 3+ attack, then play some other minions
this way it plays around selwyn's command and pixie mischief
>>164930724
>I'm looking at GameAI right now and I don't see many decks running it
Hes probably referring to the shitty Nep deck that gets posted alongside the Top Nep image every day. Impious is impossible to put in any deck that runs more than 4 different follower costs.
>>164930789
>>164930447
Yeah, gamepress being slow is a meme bandwagoners parrot because they hear it a lot and never bother to actually check anything for themselves.
>>164930684
mini forte is better for curve and goblin mage is good for constancy
>>164930789
Then adjustments will be made. For the time being I don't really care that much. Once these things become more of a problem I'll adapt accordingly.
>>164930872
i said gamewith.jp
What are some cards that are objectively not that powerful, but still piss you off? For me it's
>Yurius
>YOU GOTTA SEE ME DANCE
>Mushu
>Ambling Wraith
>>164930920
Gamepress just copies from gamewith though?
>>164930601
roach guidance roach is only maximum damage if you can attack with it twice. fairy guidance fairy does the same thing for 3pp instead of 5pp when you only have 1 attack.
>>164930756
I personally like imprisoned dragon. It not only functions as an annoying ward, but it also makes the opponent plays really awkwardly during the evolve turns especially with mushu already on the board
>>164930948
>objectively not that powerful
>Yurius
He's so powerful that he's a control card who is also an aggro card
>>164930632
It's a list designed by rizer who's a well known Japanese player and builder. I think he also made the earliest public Roach OTK list and kicked off Atomy FotM when it was popular.
Runs Bellringers, Unicas and Lyrial and it's more oriented around consistent control tools and the midgame than the typical lists which play for maximum Nephthys value.
Lads, what's a good anime this season when taking a break from ranked grinding
>>164931051
I'M POWERLESS. FOR NOW...
>>164931051
>face damage
>control
>>164930948
Elean is bullshit and objectively OP
>>164931074
Thanks anon, any chance you could link a list?
>>164930972
Yeah guidance roach is for roach guidance roach roach 5-7-8.
>>164931102
that's how control blood works
>>164931102
>controlling how the opponent has to play followers if they don't want to take face damage
>not control
>>164930948
death's breath
Who else keeping imperial dragoon? Surely discard dragon will be a thing in the future
>>164930724
>I'm looking at GameAI right now and I don't see many decks running it, Anon.
but they are running it.
>What? No. Against control you want to hit end the game as soon as possible. That extra 2 damage, especially with an aggro deck like bats or banner, is extremely vital before they can stabilizing with death's breath or Khawy. They WANT you to trade so they can draw out the game until the turn 8 Hearthstone vomit random shit on board play.
sure, if you're playing aggro you just unga bunga face. even then, it depends on what followers you have. killing lurch and making their urd, necro and impious dead in their hand is worth it if you can trade.
>letting them hit you in the face then take out your evolve.
Once again, that's assuming they have necro assassin or Urd in hand. Like I said, it's a gamble and depending on the matchup. You're giving garbage advice that I can only assume you're a Nep shitter hoping to steer aggro players wrong.
or they have soul conversion. in an aggro match up its well worth to turn 3 soul convert a lurching corpse to pop a blood wolf or whatever, get shadows for tempest or death's breath and replace it with another 2 drop. you're assuming that they aren't running 3 conversions and aren't willing to use them.
>>164930848
>playing more than 4 costs
>implying those aren't the shit decks
if nep isn't pulling mord you're losing the game.
>>164930703
What's the matter? Can't do elementary school level math?
>>164929965
Dies to way too many forms of common removal and that necromancy effect is hot trash
>>164930709
>no Kit
>no Griffon
>no Pyroxene
>no Salamander
>that vomit inducing lack of even a basic curve
Jesus fucking Christ.
>play take-two
>every match is vampire loli
>either gets shit on completely or topdecks into rng victory
why are the japs so cancerous?
>Draw 2x Bahamut, 1x Genesis in opening hand
>Draw ramp on consecutive turns
>Still win
Fuck me that was really bad luck, than really good luck.
Ramp is not a meme
>>164931264
>if nep isn't pulling mord you're losing the game.
If you can't get to Nep you're losing the game anyways
Which is the problem with only have 4 different cost types
>>164930268
>>164930165
Khawy always kills the biggest dude, unless Fawny is some ridiculous typo for "Necroassasin" or "Lurching Corpse"
>>164930975
its all up to personal preference but face dragons toolkit got alot better this epac and goblin mage is so fucking good.
>>164931082
depends on what you like, but i recently watch flip flap and that was good
>>164931135
http://game-ai.jp/22454/
I haven't played it myself and it seems to be a fairly little tested list based on the article but here you go.
Lyrial's kind of interesting though, his explanation for it is that your deck plays very little that contests for evo and that the single point of damage sets up Shadow's other removal.
Was Yurius placed in Bloodcraft just because Albert called him a pain in the neck? Did this random throwaway line in Rage of Bahamut really cause all this suffering being felt in Shadowverse now?
HEAR THE DRAGON ROAR
>>164930948
>Hating on Wraith of mutual damage and Yurius the cockblocker.
>>164930703
purchase an abacus to put on your deck
you are now a masters-level roach player
>>164931264
You give up Nep consistency to have a better all around game. Instead of needing Nep to finish off games she ends up being a decent T8 drop that can give you the little swing you need. Sometimes she doesnt draw out a Mord, but you dont need that Mord to finish off because youre not playing from behind constantly.
Turns out you dont need consistent Neps when you dont gimp your deck around the card. The nips already figured this out and its why theyre winning tournaments with the deck.
>>164931417
Yurius is in Blood because he's an batshit insane.
>>164931417
>It's all part of Yurius's plan to make sword players filled with only those committed to the craft
>next expac is going to enable those diehard sword mains to rule the ladder.
>>164931558
Legendary version of Yurius W H E N
>>164931558
>>164931621
So it's Yurius and Albert in this picture fighting over who will be the one to take Vampy's virginity?
>>164930756
>used the deck
>mirror match
>didn't run imprisoned dragons
>lost due his imprisoned dragons stall
Is this a sign?
i like how flexible decks can be in this game
after core of the deck you have at like half the slots you can do anything with
must be something to do with no filler cardsno, bad golden or half the the vengeance dont count as filler
It's really only a matter of time until aggro shadow goes back to being the main shadow deck since nep vs seraph is one of the worst high tier matchups in the entire game and aggro benefits a shit ton from all the other new cards they got.
>>164931428
the fuck happened?
>>164931417
you got more rob character interaction pic like this? i tried granblue to get more into shadowverse character but its all waifushit.
>>164931686
Got stormed down in 4 turn by Banner?
>>164931414
Ive been debating Lyrial in my Nep list too. More often than not my evolve is spent on essentially nothing.
>>164931554
The only tournament winning deck I've seen wasm't the RNG hearthstone variation. Nep isn't even worth running in the deck you're describing, an 8 mana 5/5 that sometimes does nothing but discard your cards is shit. I tried it an it was absolutely terrible
>>164931660
swap them out for demo or ironscale?
>>164931739
at least you lose fast
>>164931679
Senpai I already have almost all of Shadow's core cards please don't tempt me to shell out cash for Cerb precons.Neph Shadow is free as fuck right now, Glory Be.
>>164931679
>all the other new cards
but I only put in 6 new cards.
I'd use voices of resentment as well, but with Yurius out and about it's hard to find a chance to drop it on curve.
>Luna plays Nep
>Urd, Skullcradle Widow, Spartoi Soldier
Nice RNG cards you got there.
Is Shadowcraft actually the Hearthstone class?
This is your 4pp drop for today.
>>164931679
Are you the fucking shadow reaper guy.
That shit is a god damn meme. Only works if you got the perfect board.
>>164931392
>Khawy always kills the biggest dude
Don't forget it always, *randomly*, kills the biggest dude.
Just in case, you know, you thought any previous forms of spell resistance would amount to jack shit.
VIALSSSSSSSSS
>>164931771
This is a list that won a tournament, the only thing ive switched is Sextons for Lyrials.
I win half my games before T8, Nep just seals the deal.
>>164931938
You mean
>Ready for Discard Dragon!
>>164931927
At worst it's a 2 drop 2/2.
It's like one of blood's or dragon's early game drops that starts spinning out of control if it's killed on sight.
>>164931804
already have both, since I've played this deck I've only vsd dragon players. I'll probably be fine without the imprisoneds after all think the previous match was just unlucky draws
PSA:
Don't fucking ignore the reaper
>>164931890
Why exactly does Luna get the RNG cards anyway? What's the special lore reason
>>164932119
It bypasses targeting immunity because death is inevitable. Sorry that the symbolism is too deep for your low IQ.
>>164932119
something something culture something something representation of death likes to gamble
That's all I remember.
>>164926612
to make up for how shit he is
>>164931890
but thats only 3 cards
Why is Vampy more popular than Luna? They are both lolis.
>Not even a single Ancient Elf to play roach deck
>Only have 1 cerb for aggro shadow
>Still need 1 more Albert and 2 Aurelias to finish control sword
>>164932228
DEEPEST LORE
>>164932119
This anon is right >>164932241
>>164932282
Vampy is an established character that is several years old.
PIERCING RUNE IS FUCKING BULLSHIT
4 (FOUR DAMAGE) FOR 1 (ONE) PP
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
WHO THE FUCK SAID FOREST IS THE PET CLASS
>>164932282
because Vampy is in 3 different games. It's the same reason every shadowverse leader barely has art compared to cards.
>>164932242
played against a white wolf deck for the first time in masters today, i just put out a 5/5 turn 7 so that he couldn't take it with his wolf without evoing and if he didn't take it i could kill him, so he evo'd white wolf to take it, i odin'd it and they ff'd instantly
>>164932282
Loli Vampires are inherently cuter than retarded lolis.
Why don't the expansions continue the story? I want to know what happens with the Nexus thing.
>>164932346
Piercing rune is really no worse than DoD
why Mordecai still is viable in this meta? i thought Mordecai would be too slow but boy, everyone gets of this combo with Urd everytimes
>>164931264
Do you write for gamepress or something? No one still runs the old Nep decks that revolve ENTIRELY around drawing Morde. Those decks have always been shit because you're playing behind tempo all game just to hope for a strong turn 8 that isn't even an instant win next turn like Seraph is.
>>164932024
I don't see the point of celestial archer to be honest. I'd switch that out for another 2drop; even bellringer angel is better.
forest or sword precon? the former for the art and the groundwork to try building tempo elf. the latter for extra cards i need to almost complete a legit tourneyfag deck. both seem to to provide equal value in terms of vials
>>164932315
>control sword
>he doesn't know
You poor soul. Sword can't compete anymore with Shadow, Blood and Daria.
>>164932414
Maybe all the crafts need to get buffed in order to deal with tryharding Nexus who would only have access to standard.
>The game could actually become that insane
>>164932470
kill yourself cowtits
STOP FUCKING IGNORING THE REAPER
HE'S ONLY GETTING BIGGERUrd'ing the zombie after it attacked gave me a, how do I say this; I got a boner
>>164932484
this isn't true at all
>>164932483
sounds better to just get the sword and finish off the deck.
10k points score reward
Wish me luck with the pack
>>164932484
they can still cheese blood with albert but yeah khawy and daria wreck them
>>164932346
Blame Elana. Because of her, we won't ever get good neutral healing.
so eris was the antagonist right? why the fuck would she open the gate? also does shadowverse share a world with rob timeline?
>>164932548
>Strawmanning this hard
Show us on the doll where the witch touched you
>>164932618
control sword is 50/50 vs daria and doesn't care about khawy
Need a concede
67726
>>164932482
There are a bunch of evolves that end up on 1 life after killing one of your 15 liches, thats why Lyrial is in the list. Ive tried out pretty much everything in that slot and its between Sergeant and Lyrial
>>164932681
Control sword auto loses to control shadow since Morde is a perpetual value machine and Shadow keeps itself healthy with Khawy.
>>164932484
>Sword is bad
>Control sword is actually kinda okay
>I lied control sword sucks
Im confused, what is control sword supposed to beat again?
>>164931417
Yurius was probably placed in bloodcraft since he betrayed the Skynights for power, at leas that's the impression I get from reading the card lore in the wiki.
>>164931648
I actually don't know much about the first few events that Albert and Yurius premired in, I'm kinda curious too. There were lots of Vampy x Albert fanart in pixiv. On the other hand Albert's proflie says he dislikes children, heh.
>>164932569
Nice.
>>164932726
what is odin
>>164932476
I play Morde without Nep. It's all about finding the right timing between playing wards or playing Morde. If you read the timing right, you win the game, most likely. If you don't you fucking die
>>164932026
ahaha, nope, the only Dragon meme worth consideration for me is JO
More satisfied with the achievement reward pack, Albert is the lefendary i look for the most in RoB2 more to go
i've been seeing more and more odins teched in fucking with my mordecais bros. it hasnt caused me to lose yet, but its getting annoying. is it time to swap out the spartois for sextons?
>>164932624
To be continued SOON™
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tdu4uKSZ3M
>>164932242
>crafted 2 homecoming and 3 silver bolt to add to my 3 wolfs I got from packs
>find out that it's shit and I should have stuck with roach otk
>>164932838
sexton is fucking useless
>>164932871
come up with something new anon
be a trend setter
that's what I'd do if I opened 3 wolves
I just got a Daria and I have like 3100 vials. Is 2 Daria enough for me to become cancer?
>>164932871
It will get better next month maybe
>>164932871
homecoming + wolf can be used in an roach otk to remove all wards on slower decks to ensure the otk
>>164932769
Odin is a very mediocre card which is why you only see one of him in the hardest of control decks and it'll only stop 1 mordecai anyways. Run more than 1 and you clog up your deck significantly.
>>164932926
Yes but mind it's suboptimal
>>164932476
Khawy was an incredible boost to slow Shadow strategies. Shadow has always had good tools against small aggro deck, but Shadow's 5-7 is weak which means midrange can over run you with power plays. Cerberus is a value play that kills your tempo, and everything else is inconsistent like Ceridwen, Charon and Lord of the Flies. Only Death's Breath was really good but it wasn't enough. Khawy buys you the means to actually survive and put Mordecai out against other decks.
>>164932908
ikr? need more space for them dingdongs xDd
>>164932871
we just need to figured out a new Forest Control archetype running wards, Selwyn and Robin Hood to grind down the opponent while slowly slowly poking it for getting in Bolt lethal
>>164932908
>play reaper+something else turn 4
>next turn play sexton+voices
Sexton enables so much bullshit that you don't even build your deck around; his combos just fall into place sometimes, and give you really strong and unorthodox plays to make
Got two white wolves in the first two RoB's I bought, how do I meme with this dog?
I spent 1k vials on this deck. hopefully it works this well every game.
>>164932838
I run Odin to win Seraph mirrors. Shadows are free wins you're just casualties.
>>164932569
>mfw I used Will of the Forest with Reaper on board once
I learned something that day
>>164932024
that's similar to my list except I cut the attendees and for soul hunts and imipous resurrection so I always get mordecai. It works for me in the shitter ranks
>>164933124
Homecomming for OTK Roaches
Silver Bolt for OTK wiht it
Rose Queen for memes
Homecomming Roach > Silver Bolt > Rose Queen
Problem of wolf: too slow for the current meta
>>164931679
did she remove her collar on that art?
what a naughty dog!
>Que with aggro blood, run into tons of hardy aggro decks full of wards like haven and sword don't see Daria for 2 dozen games
>Que with shadow immediately daria, and aggro bats never see the sword and haven shitters again
Its like theres a fuck u gaijin algorithm to give bad matchups and make nipp customers happier.
>>164933164
Will of Forest didn't killed it? Thats just getting memed
>>164932994
Not shown in this pic is
1 animated Otohime
1 animated Forte
2 Imperial Dragoon
1 Fafnir
I already have a sword and dragon deck. What should I spend my vial on? Complete my sword for a tsubaki/aurelia or something else? More deck options is very tempting. I'm at C3.
>>164933164
He can be such a value machine if he isn't removed pronto. If even one other follower dies before he attacks he's a 2PP 2/2 with Ambush
I'm surprised ,more people don't bitch about him alongside Khawy and Neph, though I'd imagine that's because not very many people play him
Shit, he'd even be pretty nice in a Nep deck since he's a two drop
>>164932569
Someone once drop a Reaper and a Lord of the Flies on board which spawned a ward when I have Beast Dominator.
My answer is to nuke the whole board with Revelation. I ain't feeding no Reaper.
>>164931679
Aggro shadow got like no good new cards except the carrot.
T2 fun
88706
>>164933314
Liquefy the Imperial Dragoon and Zirnitra if you want to get some extra vials both are shit cards
>inb4 but DiscardDragon will be good
>>164933351
Shadow Reaper is arguably the best new Shadow card.
>>164933335
>Shit, he'd even be pretty nice in a Nep deck since he's a two drop
Not really, you don't have nearly enough followers to feed him
>>164933351
the lurching-attendant-necroassassin suite is completely playable in aggro shadow, probably more so than carrotman
>>164933452
Really thinking Khawy or lurching takes the cake on that one.
>>164933335
>I'm surprised ,more people don't bitch about him alongside Khawy and Neph, though I'd imagine that's because not very many people play him
It's because Shadow is a giant fucking meme on par with Dragon. No one plays Aggro Shadow despite it actually being pretty solid.
>>164918445
Sorry to reply late but couldn't get the code
Can you post a picture of it?
Really struggling with it
>>164933351
reaper, sexton, voice of reseentment, and all the last words stuff can be played
>>164928032
>inferno dragon, disaster dragon, serpent wrath
>play Control Blood for the first time in a while
>Forest OTK
>lose to triple roach after drawing the Odins I put in instead of Yurius
>max out the Yurius in my deck again
You know what, fuck Odin in CBlood. I can burst down Neps before they get started anyway.
>>164933006
Also keeps you out of lethal
>>164933465
Yeah, I guess so. I'm just imagining dropping a Nep onto a board with Reaper for a dirty +3/+3 before he attacks
But then we're going down the path of making Nep awful by having unpredictable pulls.
>>164931927
Shadow Reaper is a 2PP 1/1 with 1-turn Ambush that almost always ends up being at least a 2/2
Kunoichi Trainee is a 2PP 2/1 with Ambush, and nothing else
Reaper draws Unica levels of hate, but the opponent can't directly touch him for the first turn he's out.
>>164933539
I think Khawy is by far the best card Shadow got this expansion. Watching my opponents take 15 minute turns only to realize theres no good way out of this is the best feeling in the world.
>>164933609
>What is T2
Dumb gaijin
5 mins in a dark room with this dork what do you do?
>>164933752
What the fuck is up with her baby arms
>>164932730
yurius flavor text makes him such a good boy
>If I complete this research, I'll gain power beyond all human knowledge. And then I'll finally be able to complete my mission. Which mission, you ask? Well, to save as many people as possible of course!
don't you wanna be saved by him?
>>164932987
i see you've never actually played control sword
>>164933752
If I'm dedicated I think we could have a good time in just five minutes. Would be a shame, though.
>>164933793
Holy SHit
>>164933817
Literally Griffith.
>>164933006
This. The coolest part about all the cool tools that Shadow got this expansion is that they serve to shore up the weakness of the archetype (Khawy) or double-down on its strengths (Lurching, Necroassassin; all the LW tech in general)
I don't care for Neph because she doesn't really do either, just introduces a new deck type exclusive to her, a-la the disco dragon memes Rowen had to choke down this expansion
>>164933752
Jokes on you, that's 4 minutes and 45 seconds longer than I need!
>>164933793
They seem fine to me
Can i build a decent deck around any of these cards?
>>164933335
I actually think Shadow Reaper might have a place in Nep decks, it strengthens the control matchups giving you some turn 8 burst by dropping it the turn before.
Too bad its a dead draw most of the time against aggro.
>>164933817
Where have a heard that one before.
Is Yurius' standard a Falcon, by any chance?
>>164933752
Ask her to go call Eyra
I like them younger
>>164934008
Yes.
>>164933935
I just want Shadow to have an aggressive 4 drop that isn't fucking terrible (Playful Necro) or situational (Necroassassin).
>>164934008
sure!
>>164934013
All-in-all, I think he's a really cool card that can only get stronger as new LW/follower sacrifice cards are added to the game.
it's still working
>>164933539
Khawy's my #1 and I'm happy we got a sleeve for him, but I think Lurching has been really overrated. She's got a Vexing Devil thing going on where she looks powerful on paper but it always feels like competent opponents are controlling her, I put her in every deck after launch but I've been running her less and less.
>>164934069
Yeah, I run Urd/Necro in my deck, and while that works because of how slow it is and how many followers I play, it'd be nice to have a good nonsituational turn 4 card.
>play late night Arena
>every single match is against a Selector Supreme/Shadowverse Rex Masters Nip going 2nd with perfect draws and exact storm/burn for lethal when you are about to lethal
Seriously guys what the fuck?
>>164934101
that's pretty lit
can't imagine you'll have a good time when you run into Tempest/etc. though
>>164934136
people even put lurching to aggro
i tried and it gave some pretty unpleasant losses
>>164934013
I've actually really liked Reaper against other aggro decks in my Aggro Shadow. When I have him out I can trade in my entire board while keeping the game on my side.
>>164933539
Lurching kind of sucks in aggro honestly. I haven't played any control or midrange but Lurching serves no real purpose in aggro. It's not much of a threat at all in the context of your gameplan.
>>164934157
I took out Urd/Necro because I hate having situations were they're just dead in hand. Attendant suffered the same fate. One of the reasons I like aggro shadow is because of how consistent it is and these cards interfere with that.
>>164934120
Is this what you pulled from your free packs?
Ive never suggested someone reroll before, but you should.
>>164934136
I personally really dislike the "only attack face and ward" affix, which is why I favor other two-drops over Lurching
Attendant, however, I give a partial pass to, since he curves so perfectly into a strong turn 4 Urd/Necro
>>164933817
Don't be fooled, he's only interested in you for the power!
Lately it seems like the RoB events that had him and Albert have been more humorous than serious. There was a summer event where the player, Albert, and Yurius were stranded on an island. The two competed to make the best boat to get off the island and persuade you to go with one over the other.
>>164928720
haven doesn't have any bad decks
>>164934284
ancient elf though
still too few leggos
>>164934335
Pure Elana is shit and was always carried by Seraph.
>>164934263
Yeah, I can't imagine Urd/Necro being very good at all in aggro, since both of them are really control-y cards by nature. Doubly so since they're cards that are meant to become more valuable as the game goes on
the best feeling
>>164933572
I swap the 2 angel crusher for 2 uriel since i was running out of card mid game. I would add 1 more dragonnewt scholar and take out 1 pyro dragon, but im cheap and dont want to craft another gold card.
Funny thing is i had won around 4 games in a row in rank than i lost 4 so take that as you will. People are scared of wildfang and almost always trade so make sure you time it right.
The best possible curve is either turn 2 dragonnewt into turn 3 dragonmancer rite OR turn 2 wildfang into alter fate. Mulligan for dragonmancer rite or wildfang. Keep dragon warrior if you have it. Also biggest noob mistake is to drop luxfang kit when you have the 2pp mana, never drop it on curve since you need it for other fellow to discard it. Unless you are going to die dont drop luxfang.
>>164934404
Good, screw that Khawy and nep garbage
>>164933154
>destroy elana with bahamut
>he drops seraph
>use odin
>he drops 2 elanas next turn
>>164934326
I haven't even been running Urd or Necroassassin in my aggro list but I have attendent at 3 with no enablers. He evolves or grabs a Coco and suddenly he's a threat that leaves a bigger threat behind, people are forced to respond to him.
While lurching actually has a better statline at a lower cost for the same limitation, her upside doesn't really help me do what I need to do. Usually people will just kill lurching once they've taken the control side of the match up but attendent makes that much less desirable.
>>164934360
Ancient Elf is pretty much your only good pull. I cant count any Sword legendaries besides Albert because that deck is so god damn expensive for a new player.
Even your golds are absolute trash
>>164934404
sure!
bullied that bs khawy-wearing slut
>>164933752
I summon RING GONE to protect me while I try to figure out how to escape the room.
>>164934509
>>he drops 2 elanas next turn
That is a game losing play
>Lost Seraph mirror because didn't draw Odin
Nice game Shadowbabs
How long until they give unique rules for t2?
>>164934509
Doesn't that mean you won?
since you attacked with baha twice?
>can't hear roars behind the windows
>>164934524
I'll actually try that.
>>164934525
not mine
btw he got vampy><and mastema, lol, can go aggro blood, if you like mastema in your aggro blood
>>164933752
I use the 5 minutes to kidnap her. My mind-breaking skills are not effective enough to work in 5 minutes, I would need something in the upwind of an hour or two.
>>164934405
What are your thoughts on Trial of Light?
>>164934704
I guess you can look at it the other way.
He can dust nearly every single gold/legendary card he got to craft a deck with.
>>164934524
I guess that really is it: your opponent really doesn't want to pop your Lurching, since it's affect isn't something that can mitigate too easily.
With Attendant, however, they can kill him and then kill the lich, although that'll be a bit resource intensive for them.
So I think I like Attendant for the same reason I like Reaper: he forces the opponent off their rhythm and demands attention before he does something that ruins the state of the game for them
>>164934405
I have bad memories with Altered Fate + Rites
>>164934808
alot of the times i find i lose the game because attendant could not trade on the board as a 3 drop, and maybe thats not worth the random nut draws of curving from it into urd or necro
>Going through JCG deck lists for inspiration
>3 Odin, 3 Bahamut in half of the control lists
This isn't the world I wanted to live in.
>>164934993
If you want inspiration, Vol.49-A Finals has 8 of 16 finalists using Vampire+Witch combo. Although it can be Aggro/Control and Dorothy/Dshift.;_;
I'll be posting the results for it soon after it finishes.
>>164934993
Midrange is suffering atm
It's control, aggro or combo my man, just patiently.
>>164934229
no one has used it on me yet. I'm 4/4 on test games in unranked, but I didn't face any serious decks. I want to replace the ruthless assassings with tsubakis. I don't know about the koga kunoichis though. they're kind of useless without the set up, but 6 damage is the most I can do without evo points.
>>164934993
just hit face!
>>164934970
I run 2x Attendant 2x Soldier in as my 3-drop followers, and they seem to do pretty well.
Soldier does a solid job of eating bats, and if you ever evolve him he gets to be a pretty big guy all around
52731
please concede
>>164934757
Its okay but if you have dragonmancer rite on board it sometimes overdraw. Because if you use pryo dragon with rite on board it draw 5 if it dies. So its not really needed imo.
>>164935123
Bats and Daria have been popular picks but they actually haven't taken many wins have they? I'm kind of surprised.
Of course the real disappointment is that Soomya took an unchanged PtP Forest list and a DShift list that only added Piercing Runes and won.
I see why runecraft is cancer
>>164935353
>Rune
>Blade
>Summoner
>>164933713
or i'm sorry, i don't play that worthless shit
unless until i have all the cards
>>164935313
Thanks
>>164935353
I wanto to make Isabelle happy
>>164935334
Even he was a little disappointed in his victory tweet.
>>164935130
No Tsubaki?
>>164933752
What's the point of changing decks when the matchmaking will just set you up against your counter?
Which ones anon?
>>164935130
why don't you use shadowed assassin?
>>164935418
t2 lends you cards
it's still a stupid shit though
>>164935570
Follow your heart
Is there a guide explaining what terminology like Control, Midrange and Aggro is?
I fell for the control Blood meme
>>164934587
>>164934619
sorry i forgot to say that thing about bahamut
THEMIS
>>164935334
Bats hasn't won one yet, I believe Combo Elf and Daria have the most, with Control Vamp also being there or one less.
Every class has won too, which is nice.
Control Blood is stronger than AggroBlood because Aggro Blood is countered way too easily.
>>164933713
>Calling someone a gaijin
>Saying Take two instead of what it is called in the glorious 日本版
>>164935629
Just drop dire bond on curve
>>164935649
>Control Blood
>stronger than anything
lmao
>>164935629
implying control blood doesn't use cursebrand vampires and vampies and that aggro blood can't break too
>>164935680
It pulled a 7, 8, 9, 9, 7
I lost
>>164935629
I'm tempted to say 'kill yourself' because of the cards in your hand, but all I feel is sympathy for you :/
>>164935601
i know that you pick from the pull
i mean i'm not wasting any rupies on tickets
>>164934993
>This is a control blood deck
how much longer til dragoncraft becomes good
>>164935768
lol what is it
another low iq blood player throwing away his win
>>164935512
I don't have any right now.
>>164935601
I don't think she would be that useful
>>164935813
after next expansion drops
>>164935813
just charge your crystal, bro
>>164935840
yeah, sometimes you should trade
>>164935840
he didnt kill cursed general and you dropped koga kunoichi on him?
>get 5 picks at JO crystal in T2
ENOUGH
>>164935813
it's fine dude
just ramp and have 2 cards at 10pp
Is it still viable to run Flame Destroyers in Daria? Or should I replace them with a combination of DoDs/Demonic Strikes instead?
>>164935623
they're kind of distorted from their meanings in real card games. normally aggro is a deck that wins by being aggressive and control is a deck that uses permission spells to prevent you from doing anything. in these games it's more like aggro is a deck that tries to win fast, mid range is an aggro deck that uses slower but stronger cards, and control is a deck that stalls until it can with with some meme combo.
Is fairy spam ptp still good?
>>164935947
>not put 5 JO crystal and picking all the dragon wing and aneglic barrage for instant board wipe
10791
Please concede for my daily
how do you beat dirt rune as aggro?
>>164935990
no
yes
You have 10 seconds to explain why this is okay.
Why I keep getting my ass kicked by fucking dshift??????? I thought this deck already become shit REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>164936136
Just play Will of the Forest
>>164935334
>>164935638
Looked it up and made a quick and lazy since you got me curious. Motherfucking roaches.
>>164936136
Yeah you're right, having a 5/6 ward on turn 3 is ridiculous.
>>164936236
Dumb unga poster.
>>164936136
Because you had your fun since the start of the game's lifespan, now you actually have to play around hard counters to your class.
>>164935813
>>164935851
But it is good. Ramp Dragon is a solid deck
>>164936136
i agree, ancient elf should be nerfed
>>164936236
knife-ears BTFO
>>164936136
CHIKARA
SORE SAE AREBA
>>164936136
Yeah, elf is fucking disgusting
>>164935623
In Shadowverse Aggro, Midrange, and Control typically boil down to deck speed.
Aggro wins fast and loses fast
Control loses slowly and wins just as slow
Midrange hangs out in-between those two poles
>>164936396
WATASHI WA
MADA....
>>164936415
Thank you anon
>>164936136
Man ancient elf is pretty redic
>>164936396
>>164936450
>>164935623
>>164936453
https://shadowverse.com/articles/detail.php?id=column-025
https://shadowverse.com/articles/detail.php?id=column-027
https://shadowverse.com/articles/detail.php?id=column-026
From the Devs themselves
>>164936396
>>164936450
Get the fuck out weebs.
Why the fuck are people using netdecks in unranked matches?
No fun allowed
>>164934405
I really want to try this but it's probably shit
>>164935623
Aggro has a primary game plan of winning on speed and damage before your opponent can do anything. Control has a primary game plan of carrying the game to late and winning off of a big deployed threat or win condition.
Midrange is where it gets messy because a lot of people like to throw out different definitions for the decks inbetween Aggro, Control and Combo, but I like to define deck types by their intention. So in my opinion, Midrange is basically winning off of card quality, running the best cards available to grind out aggro or make it difficult for control to stop you.
post ramp dragon lists now
>>164936627
Stop listening to your burger aids dub
>>164936642
Probably because they want to try shit out without fear of putting their rank on the line. I know this is a thought process completely alien to dumbasses like you so please understand.
>>164935623
Aggro wins the game on turn 5-6. Midrange wins the game turn 7-9.
Control doesn't exist in Shadowverse for the same reason it doesn't exist in Hearthstone.
>>164936546
>>164936663
>>164936738
Thanks once again
>>164936738
>for the same reason it doesn't exist in Hearthstone
Why? I've never played HS.
>>164936738
glory be!
>>164936738
Except control in shadowverse has actual answers to shit and ways to win the game beyond dumb shit like Reno.
>>164936642
Maybe they are practicing them
>>164936685
Feel free to critique and suggest alternate cards. Roughly 60-65% win rate with it in A2
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.4.5_394.5_394.65BUS.65BUS.65BUS.5_38w.5_38w.5_38w.62vkA.62vkA.62vkA.6AaSQ.6AaSQ.6AaSQ.62sZM.62sZM.62sZM.61PnY.61PnY.5_4sI.5_4sI.66j8S.66j8S.66j8S.61NLm.61NLm.61NLm.6AY0A.6AY0A.6AY0A.62zty.62zty.fpoFo.65GMy.65GMy.694Vo.694Vo.694Vo.62xRi.62xRi
>>164933752
I strip naked and just stand there with her till the time is up.
>khawy stops aggro!
when will this meme end
>>164936627
何言ったアホらしくアホ
おのれ誰に喋っているのか分かるかアホ
一発でぶっ殺すよ
君の口、他の使う方法教えてあげる
>>164936770
Hearthstone and it's clones like Shadowverse are designed to be played in short intervals, SV even moreso. Game lengths are much shorter than an average game of MTG for instance, so control doesn't really have the chance to shine since players start complaining.
Just look at SV's meta: in vanilla it lasted past turn 10 due to Satan being somewhat viable. Then in DE we got the turn 8 wincon combos that put a time limit on the game. RoB made it even faster with crazy stuff like Yurius in Blood and Daria in general.
6-2 now lost to dorothy and ramp dragon, but the last one was because of a misplay
>tfw playing PtP
>bounced fairy beast 4 times in this picture
>heal 8,8,7,7 for 30hp total
Fair and balance.
>tfw he took me down to 4 hp still
>>164936836
>Nephshit Shadow
>>164936836
Worst part of the daria matchup is that you can't even use a Necro Foul Tempest to clear their shit.
It's bonkers
>>164936806
>past Draconic Fervor I have only one of each card
H-hear the human cry!
>>164936858
>Whether or not a deck can be considered a control deck is contingent upon game length.
>>164936836
This is your fault for letting him get to that state. It looks like you couldve done some work by evolving that Urd on T5. If you wernt retarded you could make it to turn 7 where you drop Khawy and stop Daria dead in their tracks, you follow it up with the second Khawy on turn 8 and you have the game won from there.
>try out combo roach cause it's really cheap
>draw all fairy generators and die like a bitch or
>turn 7 20 face damage
Shit why is this deck so fun.
>>164936735
t. shitter not in master
>>164936926
How do you counter Unica as aggro? She should be 1/1 not 2/2.
>>164936963
It's largely that way. Elana is the only viable control deck in the current and past meta. Elana-Seraph and DShift are combo decks.
how to balance hearthstone
>neptitty now gives opponent a free odin after their turn ends
>>164936972
He'd be dead even if he did all of that.
JCG Vol.49-A Finals
https://sv.j-cg.com/compe/view/match/134/30693/
Winner: Dorothy Witch, Aggro Vampire
Runner Up: Dorothy Witch, Aggro Vampire
Vol.49-A featured 8 of the 16 finalists running a Witch+Vampire combination.
Click the leader icons for decks.
>>164936972
all the cards except for whatever not-clark on the far right is was played his last turn. I did evolve on turn 5 as you can see from my missing orb. he just popped it with crimson and piercing because lmao 7 damage for 2 play points.
>implying that a single, lone khawy could break his board
>>164937031
>>164936806
I'd take out the Urds for 2 Wyvern Cavaliers, take out 1 Forte for another Genesis Dragon, take out 1 Odin for an Olivia.
>>164937031
Use burn on her to keep your board alive. If you can't, trade. She's an anti-aggro tool, can't do much about it. If an opponent plays more than 1 unica, it's very hard to catch-up.
>>164937101
>daria
>bats
nice meta faggots
>>164937101
But /svg/ told me Tempo Rune was a bad deck! Were you guys wrongagain???
40331
Could anyone concede for me?
>>164937129
>taking out odin in this meta
are you retarded?
>>164936858
control has nothing to do with game length. it doesn't work like mtg because you can't use cards during your opponent's turn.
>>164937032
"Combo" and "Control" are not mutually exclusive you know. Just because a deck has a fucking win condition it doesn't suddenly make it not control.
Finally gave in and crafted my last Dragoon and Dracomancer's Rites, and this deck is so damn fun.
>>164937101
>"Daria Rune isn't even that good"
> Literally everyone is running it in tournaments
T4 Levi piercing rune crimson clearing boards and spellboosting 2 is absolutely ridiculous and Ogler should be a 3/3.
>>164936797
What's there to practice with Elana?
>>164937165
Thank you!
>>164937101
How is this any better than hurtstone?
>>164937182
What's the purpose of odin in this meta anyways? You would just die/or already be dead the turn you dropped him in the most common matchups.
So does Shadowcraft have any good decks atm? Im a newbie but the mechanic sounds cool
>>164937115
Then its just a case of you bricking your draws while he got decent draws. This shit happens and its why Nep vs Daria is a tossup. Unless your playing a 4 follower version of Nep, then you just get shit on by aggro.
>>164927281
Hearthstone has 3/2 1 drops.
mage has spells that outright say you can't kill him for a turn (that also can't be countered in any way), and Jade Druid Ramp pumps out was more obnoxious bodies than Dragon does (granted, no Storm).
And then the game is inherently flawed and you can olny run 2 ofs in your deck and single legendaries, the droprates are a joke and about 30% of the cards in the game are playable, and...
Actually see for yourself. But I think HS is the worst card game out there. PERIOD.
pls respond
>>164937182
>Have 3 Bahamuts in a ramp deck
>thinking you need Odin
>>164937157
The only people who thought Daria was a bad deck were retarded contrarians. I'm convinced it has to be exactly one guy who kept spouting that bullshit about Daria being 'T2 at best' with the exact same wording every time because there couldn't possibly be that many retards sharing the same awful opinion.
>>164937101
RIP SV you fucked up
>>164937248
mordecai
seraph
khawy
>>164937194
By your definition, pretty much anything that isn't aggro is control though.
>>164937031
At least she dies to 2 point burn spells.
Yurius on the other hand, now he's quite cost efficient, especially for bronze tier card.
>>164937248
>what is nep/mord
>what is seraph
d rank shitter sighted
Why do you all meme with
>hear the dragon's roar
I thought you guys weren't dubcucks.
>>164936806
>too poor for Bahamuts and Odins
>still only have 2 Fortes, one of them crafted
At least I still have Fafnir.
why every daria deck runs this shit card
>>164937261
They have Aggro, Midrange, Midrange Nep, and Control Nep.
All of them are good, with Control Nep being the weakest followed by Midrange.
>>164937337
>Putting a card for T2 decks
lol
>>164937261
Aggro>Midrange=Control>Neph
You can make any of those deck types work out for you, though, if you tech appropriately
What's the cheapest version of Aggro Rune?
>>164937326
Seraph and D-Shift are very much control decks, yes. "Control" Sword is more of a genuine midrange.
>>164937310
>bahamut their seraph
>bahamut their khawy or lurching
LMAO THANKS FOR THE FREE 13 DEFENSE
>>164937157
>yfw people were Daria Rune was a t3 deck
Fucking gets me every time.
>>164937395
What is 'control' to you then? Because by your definition stuff like combo roach and midrange sword could be control as well!
>>164937387
It's just 3 legendary and 3 golds, rest are silver and bronze
>>164937348
Because I take pleasure in provoking /jp/ rejects who like to shitpost about EOPs because they feel left out of the joke.
>>164937370
spellboost
stall
card draw
>>164937370
To counter Haven or Unica I guess.
>>164937387
still needs 3 daria
>>164937337
Only the shitters below Masters in this general put Odin in their ramp decks, try looking at ramp decks from actual top 100 Masters players.
So, what is the most triggering part of Daria Rune for you guys?
For me it has to be both Levi and the fucking ugly Blade Mage
>shadow does neph titty pulls out ward
>if they played kawy anytime before or pull him out during, your board is auto cleared and you have an unkillable 5hp you need 3x specific legendaries to just deal with
needing 3x Odin is pay 2 win just to have control playable in this meta
>>164937440
A control deck seeks to snub the opponent's efforts at gaining momentum through a variety of answers so that it can get its win condition online. This is why control decks in any game tend to have an assload of efficient removal and denial tools so that they can reach their endgame.
>Make a misplay so fucking stupid that I deserve to be euthanized
>Concede out of shame even though I can still win
AAAAAAAA.
>>164937490
Please show me one, the recent ramp deck I've seen used 2 odin.
>>164937337
>teching in a dead card for matchups that you won't run into
>>164937550
Right, so you're saying combo roach and midrange sword are control decks. I think we're done here.
>>164937370
It's ridiculously strong if you go second because you remove their 2 play while spellboosting. All you even need to do is stall for your levi evolve.
>>164937517
piercing rune
game punishing you for trying to play it
>>164937283
my draws were fine and i played on curve every turn. i just got kaleidoscoped twice in a row so i couldn't build shadows or draw from widow and then once i almost clear his board he poops his hand and draws 5.
either way, my point is that khawy doesn't stop aggro because aggro wins the game around turn 6. if you make it to turn 7 and khawy, it doesn't even guarantee your survival because there are plenty of ways to play around it without having odin.
>>164937552
>Make the exact same misplay the next game
HOLY FUCK KILL ME.
>>164937517
When levi evolves, and then plays piercing rune instead of the spell he just made.
There's just so much fucking value in that card.
>>164937490
>implying i even read the deck list or knew what deck it was before typing a response
>>164937613
Uh, no I'm not. Midrange Sword doesn't even have actual answers to threats outside of the occasional Whole Souled Swing or Tsubaki, it's just a pile of value cards. Combo Roach and Midsword don't run shit like Tribunal, Themis' Decree, Blackened Scripture, Kaledioscopic Glow, Wind Blast, etc. Cards like Sarissa and Levi aren't used simply as threats the opponent has to deal with but primarily as ways to shut down enemy advancements and protect themselves. You are thick as fuck if you cannot see the clear difference between how Seraph and D-Shift plays versus Mid Sword.
>>164937579
>>164937490
Odin isn't an auto-include, and you shouldn't copy paste someone else's list and say "lol odin is useless".
Odin is a TECH card.
A tech is something you put in your deck when you encounter too much of something. If you don't encounter any Seraph/Nep Shadow, guess what, remove Odin from your deck, he IS useless.
There isn't a perfect list for any kind of player in this game. The perfect list is tailored for the things you encounter the most. And that's something YOU have to think about. YOU are the one playing the deck.
>>164937517
blade mage sounds almost like muscle wizard
>>164937703
More like when Levi evolves then plays both piercing rune and crimson sorcery, potentially giving 5 damage face + 6 damage to board.
>>164937536
just play haven lol
>>164937517
>evolve levi
>piercing rune
>crimson sorcery
>lmao board clear and 5 face damage for 4pp
>>164936926
>>164937364
Well, I mean it is Ramp. You ramp into big girls
>>164937129
Urds have been really amazing and I've won several games with Forte > Urd > Forte. Its also great with Aiela.
>>164937763
Midrange sword sets tempo and controls the board hard with wards like lancer and gelt and removes threats with tsubaki/assassin. Once it stabilizes and takes over board it slams your face until you die.
Combo roach runs stuff like Pixie and even WotF while seeking to chip HP and manage board until it gets its OTK turn 8-10 combo on field.
>A control deck seeks to snub the opponent's efforts at gaining momentum through a variety of answers so that it can get its win condition online.
Your words, not mine. Don't blame me for back pedaling into a corner.
>>164937785
SV would be greatly improved with a side board and ranked being bo3.
>>164937517
>Clear the board of their bullshit
>They're out of cards in their hand except one
>Darialol
>They refull the board or kill me with spells out of hand
>>164937919
>mobage being Bo3
Never happening.
>>164937785
>teching in a dead card
>ITS A TECH CARD DURRR
wow geez
>>164937517
>clear board
>lmao daria draw 5
>clear board again
>lmao daria draw 5
>clear board again
>lmao daria draw 5mfw they deck out
>>164936806
-1 Fervor
-1 Siegfried (not as useful against aggro swarms)
+2 Wyvern
Maybe another -1 Emissary for a third Wyvern.
If you're running the Urd Storm package, you want to make it possible to get Urd down to 0 for the 14 damage Genesis Dragon.
>>164937919
could you explain what means?
>>164937893
There's a difference between answers and threats. Blackened Scripture or Themis are not things that you simply respond to. A Floral Fencer evolves and trades and leaves things on board that you have to deal with after the fact. Cards like Themis just halt your momentum and you have to build it back up, it's a one and done deal. It's like the difference between Polukranos and....I don't know, Wrath of God.
>>164936862
So you're in C, right?
>>164938027
I'll take that into consideration. Siegfried has been pretty useless to be honest in this deck which is a bit surprising. Wyvern Cavalier sounds pretty good in this deck but I'd hesitate to remove a Dragon Emissary if I'm adding more 6+ drops
>>164937820
>"You've gone too far, vile beasts. We cannot allow you to continue. My blade will be your judge, jury and executioner"
Sounds more like a Paladin to me
>>164938017
I have had that happen to me while I was playing Midrange Nep Shadow and kept clearing their shit with well timed Foul Tempests. Well, for that one time, it seemed the hands he drew with Daria bricked hard too since there was one or twice he played Daria with a full hand
>>164938063
best of 3 matches, after every match you can swap cards out of your deck with a smaller side deck so you can counter your opponent, remove dead cards and add tech cards. so if you lose game one due to seraph you can swap out your bahamut for an odin.
>>164937893
>Midrange sword sets tempo and controls the board hard
Except that control gets thrown to shit by low cost combos all over the god damn place.
>>164937919
unless there's another mode added there's no way people want to invest time for bo3 in ranked
>>164938012
>meme words and greentexting
wow geez
>>164938115
Siggy works better in Face for sure
>>164938070
>There's a difference between answers and threats.
How arbitrary. You're now saying control decks only run 'answers'? What does that make WotF and Pixie Mischief? Even assassin and tsubaki are considered answers.
>>164938158
In tournaments, sure, but they'll never do that for ranked.
>>164938115
Yeah, Dragon Warrior is a lot more valuable in this meta, and few lists I see ever run 3 Siegs.
74660
Need help for private matches
>>164938228
is this pic really sfw?
>>164938190
>Oh no I got called out, better ad hominem
wow geez
>>164938228
i know it'll never happen but it would improve matches and let me play seraph game one and storm game 2 for shenanigans.
Why do I keep winning
77521 need concede for daily
>>164938152
he casts a blade blow
>>164938323
because you're an unga shitter in c/d rank
Weird meta when things are going too fast even for evolve points anymore
>>164938232
I'll try 2 Urd, 2 Dragon Warrior, 2 Siegfried for my 4 drops and see how I go. I'll get rid of a Draconic Fervour and add two Wyvern Cavaliers too since they seem to be suggested a lot.
I'm not really sold on what >>164937129 says, I'd like to hear why these cards were suggested from someone
I honestly have no idea how I'm suppose to deal with Khawy. No other card completely fucks everything for me like he does.
>>164938215
I straight up said that they were answers. Control and combo are not mutually exclusive and if you notice I left out Roach decks because they have more of a control focus than fucking mid-sword does, but it still doesn't veer as hard into control territory as Seraph and D-Shift. Aggro can overlap into combo as well, with Aggro Shadow being more combo oriented than decks like Aggro Bat which just rushes you down with fast attackers and burn, whereas Shadow tries to prepare a large singular burst damage so to close out a game.
Play Pure Seraph once to understand what I mean, the entire game is you shutting down everything the opponent does until they run out of resources so that you can then do Seraph and win or they just fucking give up altogether.
>>164938323
:3
>>164938362
you seem to be bitten by bats!
>>164938238
Thanks, here i thought I was a goner since I bricked hard early on
Is roach the only viable way for combo forest to win? If I can force them to waste all their roaches to take out my wards/threats then they're pretty much done, correct?
>>164938415
>play haven
>play odin
>make sure your highest attack follower dies killing khawy so he can't heal for a lot
If you're playing bat aggro and run into khawy then just burn or bat spam to kill him.
>>164938415
You still haven't teched in Odin? Shadowcraft is still so popular
>>164938531
They can make a big Ancient Elf and kill you if you can't answer it. Some decks run Cynthia, some run Tia. That's about it.
>>164938531
you should unless they chunk you down enough to get dance of death'd
>>164938531
lmao silver bolt
>>164937919
Sideboard would make playing ranked terrible by committing you to long games, and the official tournament format already deals with the issue in its own way.
>>164938415
>>164938563
More like
>Play Haven
>Don't give a fuck about Luna's Health because I'm going to kill them with Seraph and they can't fucking stop it.
Save Odin for Mordecai, Khawy can get his dick who gives a fuck.
>>164938392
He probably doesn't run into Haven/Shadow much and runs into other Control decks frequently if he's suggesting Olivia for Odin. Odin is a tech choice and its on you to see if its useful or not depending on your local meta.
No idea about getting rid of Urds or 3x Forte though
>>164938659
>implying you need odin in seraph when your'e playing le bald hammer man
>>164937919
It's a fucking casual game meant for people to play on their phone while they ride public transportation.
>>164938449
You're still contradicting yourself though. Just because a deck can run threats doesn't mean they aren't control - that's an absurd way of thinking. Control sword runs a lot of similar cards from midrange for instance - the only difference is that it's more top heavy on turns 7+ (surprise surprise, control). You already ceded your point on combo roach as well, so this is a moot back pedal anyways.
>Play Pure Seraph once to understand what I mean,
I main Haven and have played all variations since beta.
>the entire game is you shutting down everything the opponent does until they run out of resources
And you don't do that in mid sword? Mid sword, despite being very simple, absolutely thrives on controlling board with wards and tsubaki/assassin until they're in the clear and continue to hit face. By your definition, it is literally no different from any gameplan of any control deck. Even combo roach / mid forest are control according to you since they just care about maintaining tempo and mitigating their opponent's boards.
Face it, your definition is shit since the game is only aggro - control, at that point.
Good night, based retard.
Is it generally a safe assumption that given enough time, everyone will be at Masters rank or does it not work that way?
>>164938659
>implying Mord matters vs Seraph when you're supposed to win turn 9 anyway
>>164938258
whats the problem she has a hat and cloak on?
>tfw a cinnamon roll place just opened up nearby
Time to get fat eating a lot of Arisas.
>>164938563
>highest attack follower dies killing khawy, he ends up killing your 2nd highest attack follower 2 for 1 so you're fucked and he heals for a little
>highest attack follower doesn't die killing khawy
>last word still kills it and he heals for a buttload
Khawy is such a fucking good card.
>>164938828
Given enough time, everyone will get to A0. Then winstreaks disappear
>>164938828
You need like 45% winrate to climb from AA to master..
Does anyone have an aggro Shadow list? I tried making one but it just turns into shitty midrange...
>>164938828
You can get to master even with 40% winrate since you can snatch extra points from higher rank players (150 points max).
>>164938848
i put on my magical hat and my magical robe...
>>164938914
She looks bullied
uhhh...?
runebabbies?
>>164938828
Not everyone, but the majority of players.
>>164938874
alternatively, leave khawy up so he can't nep next turn, build up a board to finish him on turn 8.
>>164938374
They should add other kinds of "evolve" points that have different effects
>>164938969
Yes everyone agrees levi is too good.
I'd also argue that dragon warrior isn't good enough or floral and bald man are also too good though.
>>164938914
skull beasts, rabbits and go unga bunga
>>164938969
It's ok. CS costs 1PP.
>>164938957
Nah, look at her card art.
Charon has a squiggly mouth
Purge the aggro.
>>164938765
>>164938843
>Not running Odin to win the mirror
>Thinking that Priest of the Cudgel is in any way relevant by the time Mordecai comes out
Everything is just completely cut and dry in every deck and every game ever? You people are fucking dumb.
>>164938808
>Just because a deck can run threats doesn't mean they aren't control - that's an absurd way of thinking
And just because a slow deck has a win condition doesn't mean it isn't a control deck all of a sudden which was my base problem with your statement in the first place. Seraph and D-Shift are control decks, end of fucking discussion. You basically said that control decks don't exist because decks having a way to close out games instead of letting that shit drag on for 20 turns with no end-game. That is arbitrary and dumb as hell. Pure Seraph is more of a control deck than Elana bullshit ever could be.
>>164938969
levi is miserable to boot
feena is cute to boot
>>164939153
I want Feena to blow me away
Can anyone in this shithole name 1 (One) single valid reason why Vampy/Levi are not 3/3 evolved?
A new player here. What are the best card packs to buy with gold, or should I just save it all for arena for the time being? I guess the expansion packs would be better, as you don't get those from arena.
>>164939153
I want to stick it in Luna's toot
>>164939124
>implying i didn't mean to cudgel the khawy, not the mord
>implying that either khawy or mord matters if you're playing seraph
>>164939117
Meat like her should be bullied
>>164939206
Vampy is fine, her evo effect isn't quite as strong as Levi or Dragon Cuck/Cuckgel
>>164939206
No.
I play control blood.
Vampy deseves to be 3/3.
Same with Levi.
>>164939218
Play arena, get more standard cards
>>164939206
Vampy I can understand. One bat ain't that much
Levi is just a part of whole problem that is Rune atm
>>164939284
>>164939305
>2/2 2PP follower
>5/5 + face damage evolved with no downside
yeah, perfectly balanced bloodcucks
>>164939218
Standard is best value if you want to buy packs (300 card pool in Standard, 100+ in other expansions). Take 2 (arena) is the best use of your gold if you want to build a collection.
Don't forget, each storyline you finish with a craft gives you 1 arena ticket.
I can't remember how many Take 2 tickets a new player should have, but I remember I had more than 10 tickets at the beginning after doing everything.
>>164939281
I hope some combination of Charon herself getting buffed, shadow generation becoming less of an issue, or something along the lines of Pact comes around and makes Charon a viable candidate for 5-drop. She's just so outclassed right now and it hurts. She's a good girl.
>>164939206
>A bat and 1 face damage is as broken as a board clear and 5 face damage
What?
>>164939305
>Vampy I can understand.
How is 5/5 evo stats spread over two bodies for 2 with added face damage fine in any way? You fuckers just don't want her nerfed because she's your pedo waifu.
>>164939352
Vampy is 4/4 evolved and it's not the only card dealing 1 face damage on evolve
>>164939305
Yeah.
Vampy with bloodkin is effectively 4 mana 4/4 and 3 face damage.
Levi evolve is a 3 mana 4/4 with 3 damage wherever you want and spellboost.
You could argue that levi is less versatile because vampy doesn't need to be evolved to do bat damage, but crimson sorcery more than makes up for that since it pops in your hand and isn't dependent on getting the right draw like bloodkin is.
>>164939410
>5 face damage
Just because you happen to have piercing rune in hand doesn't make it Levi's fault. You can say an Ogler is 0pp 3/4 deal 2 damage to face for example.
>>164939262
Cudgel can't banish Khawy unless he was already damaged enough to fall below 3 HP, stupid, and yes they do fucking matter because if you don't manage to get Seraph out before Morde shows up then you need to fucking deal with him. And you don't run Odin because of Mordecai, you run Odin in Seraph so that you can win the damn mirror match. If you actually played the fucking game you'd know that Priest of the Cudgel isn't some swiss army knife that you can just toss out whenever to autowin the game.
23242
can someone join me and lose to me WITHOUT CONCEDING (so that I can get achievement progress AND also complete my daily)? please and thank you
>draft bahamut and floral fencer in take two
>think I'm going to 5-0
>play against constructed shadowcraft and constructed aggro blood and lose
> don't draw floral fencer once and die on turn 9 with bahamut in hand twice
there is nothing more tilting, I never want to play this game mode again
>>164939387
The lack of Shadow generation this set was unfortunate, I guess cards that pump Shadow are kind of disappointing and they wanted to make space for last words shenanigans but I really don't care for the new archetype as much as I want my old Standard style midrange buffed.
Though it's probably hard to give Shadow tools, they've got so much great shit held back by craft limitations. Atomy and Death Tyrant are kind of whatever in Shadow but they'd be so much bullshit in another craft.
Just because a card is less busted than a retardedly busted card doesn't make it somehow okay. Mox Sapphire isn't somehow totally fine just because Black Lotus exists.
This game is not fun anymore.
>>164939206
Shadowverse is full of broken 2-drops
>>164939593
Just like how your face is less busted than your mom's pussy
>>164939593
Bad comparison. Levi isn't as rare/expensive as a black lotus, and vampy isn't as rare/expensive as a mox sapphire
>>164939512
>Cudgel can't banish Khawy unless he was already damaged enough to fall below 3 HP, stupid, and yes they do fucking matter because if you don't manage to get Seraph out before Morde shows up then you need to fucking deal with him
So? Hit Khawy with something then cudgel or scripture him. And if you don't win turn 9 with seraph then you're probably playing some shitty Elana variant.
The best thing to do against Khawy as Seraph is just leave him on board. That way Nep can't pull mord turn 8, you play seraph and win the game.
>Implying i'm the same person who said you play khawy for mord
Jesus christ you're retarded.
>>164939516
thanks friendo
>>164939576
Hopefully next expansion has a focus on Shadows and Necromancy effects. Feathered Patroller was a fucking insult.
>>164939668
Blame Daria and bats. I will just give up climbing for this month.
i have three fucking alberts, what's the best deck to meme with him
>>164939512
You literally have downs Seraph is one of the worst possible matchups for everything except aggro shadow.
>>164939569
Just truck through the 5 rounds for the free pack and rupies for the few games you'll inevitably win. Or just quit immediately after drafting, claim your pack and move on
>>164939714
It's preferable to the elana cancer desu.
Seraph isn't common enough to get on my nerves either.
>>164937101
Why is the Aggro Vampire player only using 39 cards?
>>164939508
I guess this is broken too then since it does 2 damage to face instead of 1 and having a bat on the board.
>>164939675
Here's a neuron nudger for you: Black Lotus and Moxen aren't banned/restricted because they're expensive. There might just be another reason.
>>164937101
>3 imp lancers
why are you fuckers telling me that shit is bad
How triggered would everyone be if the new rune leader is Daria?
>>164939843
Not much. It'd make sense, she's on several cards. I'd prefer Magisa but she'd just get censored anyway and we already got a titty monster leader.
>>164939817
Why does such a cute character have to be such a mediocre card?
>>164939836
I've always had 3 imp lancers in my aggro blood since forever
Is GameWith a good and reliable site to use?
>>164939678
>And if you don't win turn 9 with seraph then you're probably playing some shitty Elana variant
Or you didn't get Seraph before then. Or maybe you went second and they played Nepthys or Mordecai on curve. Or you want to make sure you are in the clear to drop Seraph in the first place so that you won't get your face melted off for taking a completely dead turn. Hell just earlier I had won a game but didn't actually get Seraph until like turn 12.
Shit. Happens.
You people act as if every damn game is a script with no variation and that is not the fucking case. Do you want to win on turn 9? Hell fucking yeah you do. But that shit isn't guaranteed to happen.
>>164939748
No shit, that doesn't mean that everything in a given game is some pre-determined sequence.
>>164939817
You do realize that a Bat is much, MUCH better than 1 face damage, right?
>>164939843
I want Anne or Daria. Isabelle is fucking ugly and I don't want old fart as a leader either.
>>164939965
more reliable than your mom!
hahaha
>>164939843
I wouldn't mind at all. Daria is cute, and I don't see her deck anywhere near as much compared to when the expansion dropped.
>>164939834
What are you even arguing?
They're banned so they don't see play in those formats, so what's the problem?
>>164939843
It'd be a bit of a dilemma since I am triggered more by Isabelle and her monstertits anyway
It's a bit funny, they were showing off Anne during the PV and now shes not relevant except maybe in arena
>>164940036
DELETE THIS
>>164939817
Nop.
Vampiric fortress and then evolve vampy.
there now you have a ticking time bomb unless you defuse it.
>>164940053
Maahes, Sarissa and Dragoon aren't relevant too. Dragoon is not even good in Arena.
>>164939965
Google translating their website is hilarious
>Ocean floor city owner Otome
>>164939994
>Shit. Happens.
To bad players. There is no excuse now that there is an amulet searcher.
>>164940190
GOD OF DEMOCRACY
>>164940176
Meanwhile I find it funny but not unexpected that Bahamut ends up defining Dragon more than Dragoon, in spite of it being a neutral
>Open my pack for today
>Third Bahamut
The fuck am I suppose to do with these? Ramp Dragon is too expensive.
73999
Need 1 quick private match for my 20 match reward (no concede)
>>164940219
>Seraph is the only amulet in the deck
>>164940039
I'm arguing that Vampy is an overstatted problem card and that she's not magically fine just because Levi exists, which seems to be main argument of the people defending her.
>>164940261
I got 2 Bahamuts from my 15 free ROB packs and one of them is animated
Guess I'll have to make one of the meme decks that use him
13249
Need one to win 1 match for the daily.
>>164940176
>>164940053
The DE trailer featured characters like Selwyn, Koga Kunoichi, and Ceridwen that aren't very relevant either.
>>164939965
They hired a Street Fighter player to write Shadowverse guides because he played the guitar at his job interview
Make of that what you will
>>164940015
When we're talking about how overpowered cards are, I'm sure a 2 drop 4/4 2 face damage isn't that far behind from a 2 drop 4/4 1 face damage and a bat.
>>164940175
Just because you happen to have vampiric fortress in hand doesn't make it Vampy's fault
>>164940283
Ot makes seraph that much more consistent that you don't need to waste deck space on an Odin because 8/10 times you'll have Seraph on curve.
>>164940365
>I'm sure a 2 drop 4/4 2 face damage isn't that far behind from a 2 drop 4/4 1 face damage and a bat.
But it is. That you're even trying to argue that point is utterly mystifying to me.
87243
Come and lose to me anon~
>>164940273
Thanks.
Lesson learned: You can't do a kamikaze. You die first.
>>164940273
As you can see, I bricked hard there
>>164940284
Actually I'd say she was fine because prior to RoB the quality of the rest of blood cards let her down. She's only a bigger problem now because of the new shit they got.
All the big evolve cards need to be adjusted, it's just that levi is the biggest offender, bigger than vampy.
>>164939965
This is their Tier 1 and 2 decks.
>9.5/10
Tempo Rune
Aggro Bat
>9.0/10
Control Blood
Ramp Dragon
Midrange Sword
DShift
Roaches
>8.5/10
Nep Shadow
Midrange Shadow
Pure Seraph
Dirtrune
Control Sword
Does this sound right /svg/?
>>164940261
Good thing you got the bahamuts then huh
Just open some fortes and fafnirs now
>>164940535
That one turn you passed made me think you knew what I was up to and just let go.
>>164940476
Not an argument.
>>164940428
I know what the fuck the searchers are for. You still run Sacred Pleas and Tribunals. You run Odin so that you don't risk losing to Seraph in the mirror. As an example, my Seraphs were all at the bottom 10 cards of the deck this game, and if I had not drawn Odin to put down his Seraph I would have fucking lost. Why the hell wouldn't you try to cover up a potential threat to your deck? It's not like Odin is some super situational card, it conveniently answers a lot of things that your other removal can't reliably touch.
>>164940598
Well no, it was more because I literally had no cards to play
But yeah, I once tried razory claws for lethal and because the damage is dealt to you first, you lose
give me your energy /svg/
>>164940567
I'd swap the two Sword decks around. Otherwise looks alright, not that much experience with Control Blood, though I have lost to it a fair amount
>>164940517
p-plz
>>164940565
>prior to RoB the quality of the rest of blood cards let her down. She's only a bigger problem now because of the new shit they got.
The same is true for Levi, though. Dshift was frustrating to play against but wasn't exactly burning up the ladder and Aggro Rune didn't exist.
>>164940679
Uncensor those boobs and I might.
>>164940631
He still can't answer why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch
>>164940679
>not uncensored
>>164940631
Or you can just not play a dead draw card and make the deck more consistent.
>>164940567
>contol blood 9.0
>counters both T1 decks.
kekekekekeke.
Anyone have a good ranked Nep list?
>>164940759
Levi was independently strong though because he provided a solid early body and a removal spell that spell boosted everything. Vampy had pretty much nothing to defend her before veight and her only synergy was bloodkin or fortress. So while Levi was effectively as strong as he is now, vampy required having something to combo with her to get the most out of her because she was pretty much guaranteed to get removed immediately.
>>164940679
This rank up is so dumb imo. It should be 3 in a row to keep shitters out of each rank. Maybe even 3 out of 5 would be better. 2 win out of 3 is so fucking easy.
Could anyone give me tips on my control sword?
The deck is doing fine, but gets absolutely destroyed against rune. Anything I could put in to fix that other than more aurelia and alberts?
Any good stream on?
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>>164940772
Who the fuck can?
>>164940767
You know, censorship is kinda lame and all but I have to give the guys credit for attempting to pull off the faux ribbed sweater look. And I love some titties wrapped in ribbed sweaters.
>>164940808
>Tribunal, one of the best removal cards and arguably the best new Haven card period
>Sacred Plea
>Something that helps you dick through your deck and keep cards in your hand, increasing your longevity throughout the match
There is no justifiable reason whatsoever to not run these cards. Calling Odin a dead draw is fucking stupid when he's completely unconditional removal attached to a body that can completely 180 games in your favor. Odin is the reason why other control decks don't fear auto losing to Seraph in the first place and lets you crush the mirror.
>>164940624
Do you honestly want me to argue why a 1/1 body that stays on the board is better than 1 face damage that just happens and is over with? Is this your first card game? Hell, is this your first encounter with numbers?
>>164940870
It's pretty meh against the majority of the T2 decks is probably why its 9.0 not 9.5
What's the relationship of Albert and Yurius??
>>164940994
Sword 6300MP
https://www.openrec.tv/live/jd7_gzvefY6
Shadow 3000MP
https://www.openrec.tv/live/CofvHTLhYnV
>>164941063
>>164941063
Fellow countrymen from Levion
>>164940985
Stall until Hamsa/Tsubaki + Cyclone Blade T7, Healing Angel, more Aurelias. It isn't possible most of the time, but if they're unlucky enough, you can win off a good Cyclone Blade.
>>164941050
That I cant deny. most of the T1 I can manage as long as I dont get a shit hand.
But roach elves are just an absolute nightmare as control blood.
Is Ramp Dragon a Control or Midrange deck?
>He still uses Floral Fencer
I really need some general advice on not getting raped by roaches, they're kicking my ass in every deck that ain't Control Shadow.
>>164935768
That's neutral ramp without the ramp. Jesus.
>>164940673
It's not a hidden "damage is dealt to you first then your opponent" thing, it's literally just you were the one who initiated a tie game condition so you lost.
Like if you had 2 HP left and a shadowcraft opponent had 3 HP left then you hit her rabbit necromancer for 3 with that 3/8 bane rush "hit the opponent face when you hit a minion" card, killing it. You would lose.
Dragonist man is dragon
>tfw barely won
These blood matchups are too stressful for me.
>>164941268
>not using the cutest
>>164941282
stomp their board, stay healthy, ward up on T7/T8 if you think they have many roaches (feena/princess mage evo played, gob played)
I'm sorry
>>164941386
>>164941282
keeo praying they dont get lucky as hell and keep drawing ancient evles like mad to keep bouncing ther fucking elf child May back. and wreck you with constant NE NE!
>>164940952
Levi was played in every Rune deck because of how powerful he is, yet didn't push Rune over the edge by his own (despite being more powerful than Vampy, I'm not arguing that and we should stop comparing them anyway). But Vampy was also played in every Blood deck because of how powerful she is. The strength of Vampy alone made Aggro Bats a thing, even if that thing wasn't Tier 1 yet.
>>164936685
>>164941164
I guess I'll swap the avant bladers with two cyclone blades. I aggree this deck needs some serious all out boardwipe. Besides Avant blader hasn't been doing anything for my deck.
>>164941282
Play Dirtrune, their biggest counter
>>164937579
>shadow and seraph everywhere I go in AA2
>but Odin is useless!
The Sky Knights were formed to ensure that the Egg of Decimation could never wreak havoc on our kingdom again. Yet one of our very own knights has gone mad and...
>>164941257
Midrange
>>164940985
Remove Alexander and replace with Aberts
>>164926217
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>>164941481
Avant Blader is too slow nowadays imo
Here is my list if you want some ideas
>>164941631
There's a thread already up, just go here
>>164926267
>>164926267
>>164926267
Is it okay to be a Havenfag yet? I mained Shadow during DE but I didn't like the Rise support so I hopped crafts until I found a build I liked, I just played 3 Odin onto 3 Mordecai last game and I feel dirty.
>>164939206
They shouldn't be getting extra stats on evolve at all ala Sledgehammer and Lion Spirit.
>>164941728
Its literally never okay to be a Haven fag
>>164935623
Some anon a few weeks, maybe a month ago posted a really good article from the guy who coined the terms on what they mean, at least as far as MtG is considered.
Tempo actually meant controlling temporary resources, like board control and all that, which was neat to learn