/xcg/ - XCOM General

Break LOS

Long War 2 will bring back paid mods.

pistols are useful.

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Psy-Sparks

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Codex suit as customization options when?

Gore mods when

>>164669751
I would use that mod.

>>164669843

Everyone loves snek tits, but I really just want to fug the Codex.

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Post your predictions for LW2

>>164669751
But how...
>ghost in the machine

>>164669937
>modem noises

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>>164669843

And more bodysuits mods when?

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>>164669964
>Remeber LW?!
>remeber the horrifying bullshit that was LW aliens pack?!
>now there's even more of it!

>>164670064
>fucking a codex
>it starts getting close
>deafens you with dialup noises
>and electrocutes you

>>164669964
Viper king on Gate Crasher

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>itching to start a new campaign
>Long Dong 2: Magnificent Boogaloo is coming soon

>>164669964
Hopefully a re-balanced strategic game. More features for other modders to play with when LW2 inevitably falls short.

>>164670371

'Soon' might be a while mate.

>>164669964
>advent grunts start at 10hp and 2 armor
>every alien has ruler reactions
>every alien has 3+ cockblock shields
>adds thinmen back because fuck you
>a single sectopod will end your game with 200hp and the ability to insta kill anyone under 15hp

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>somewhere out there is some alternate XCOM jumping dimensions saving alternative Earths

>they didn't save ours

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So, to sum up, among female skin-tight suits mods, there are:

>Starcraft HotS Kerrigan suit
>Starcraft Nova suit
>Halo armors (one of the options)
>MGS "Frog" suit

What I missed?

>>164669843
>>164669937
I also want more distinctive human features, if you know what I mean

>>164671070
I agree, the capitalist occupation has gone on for far too long, and they are very good at indoctrinating the masses.

>>164670710

Add
>Half of civilians in every mission are Faceless

and its perfect.

>>164671275
*coughs*

>(((capitalist)))

ftfy

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>consolefriends will never field soldiers this weeb

Can't imagine living a "life" like that

My first psi-op got three options on train: Domination, Void Rift and Insanity.

I did wrong by choosing Domination, right?

>>164671660
Yes, you did wrong by picking the best psi.

>>164671660
I mean, you probably aren't going to send the guy out until you train more abilities, and you can get them all. Not really sure if you can make a "wrong" decision.

>>164671583
No. Most of the biggest offenders are business owners.

>LW1 started releasing just a few months before EW announced and then it took several months to port over
>LW2 announced possibly just a few months before XCOM 2 expansion announced
LUMPED

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>>164670710
>chryssalid can now dash and attack like Rangers
>sectoids can now permanently mindcontrol
>officers mark is permanent
>vipers on reveal get a free acid spit attack
>mecs can hack your specialists
>archons blazing pinions land on its turn

magnificent

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Also, uploading more suits, because damn I cant control my fetishes.

>>164672167
Ahem

>(((business owners)))

ftfy

>>164672238
>>chryssalid can now dash and attack like Rangers
They can do that already.

THE BIGGEST CHANGE LONG WAR 2 WILL BRING IS

>killing civilians (of which more will be spawned) outside of retaliation missions will have negative repercussions

No more nuclear strikes or shred storm spamming through houses and shit

>>164672287
Why is she a feminist?

>>164672306
Dunno man, p sure Trump, Gates and Musk aren't jewish.

so beagle is coming back now right

>>164672238
>mecs can hack your specialists
kek

>>164672363
only when they burrow

>>164672540
No. He will release edited old stream vods, though.

>>164672540
should be

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>>164672445

I dont know, I was just making up characters in pool section, tried different combinations at random, saw this, added glasses, changed hair to red one and said "this is it!".

I dont make stories behind characters at most, save from little ones, like the blue one from this screenshoot, convincing one in grey-white to wear same type of armor as she do.

>>164672729
so, you made a feminist and said "this is it"?

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>>164672363

It was scary, really. In first mission against them, I was scaried as hell and torn between moving slowly with everyone in overwatch and saving civilians.

I forgot to re-equip battle scanner on at least one of the girls and thats how I got punished.

I bought Xcom 2 on release day when it came out, but after almost a year I still never finishes it because I suck Should I give it another attempt?

>>164672992
Are you a pussy?

>>164672992
Why not

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>>164672843

Pretty much, yeah. Except that she just looks like one.

Besides, it was nice fit with "happy" attitude.

>>164672992

Yes. If you want, set up lowest difficulty and play until you get it.

How exactly you suck? Wrong build/research order? Squad gets wiped over and over?

>>164669964
>50% chance of a retaliation mission being a trap with every civilian spawning chryssalids when killed or rescued
>lategame faceless spawn chryssalids when killed
>low hp advent mecs combine to create a full hp sectopod

>>164672843

>short hair and glasses a feminist make

Grow a bigger reference pool, pal.

>>164673178
>>low hp advent mecs combine to create a full hp sectopod
>AdventBots Roll Out!

>>164673164
I try to follow guides on how to maximize my research and build order the best I can, and I try to play carefully with making sure the squad is always in high cover or hunkering down in dire scenarios. I also try to get the squad proper armor and weapons before starting the story missions proper. But after a while, usually a bit after mutons are introduced, the squads usually end up wiped out.

>>164669964
I hope they classify Berserkers as regular units instead of Terror units so they appear more often and have Chryssalids show up sooner, both of them felt like they got the shaft in X2.

>>164673385
I agree. Lids are troublesome though, having them show up too early could be pretty devastating.

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I love this suit.

>>164673382

Then I see no reason, really. I play without research optimized route right now and I dont got wiped yet (Im at mid-June or something, right after first Chryssalids mission).

Maybe try this one - start a mission where you start to get wiped, save at the start and then repeat encounters few times, always trying different approach and solution. Maybe try to save before squad selection and try different setups as well.

Maybe then you will find out, what you do wrong.

>>164673638
I'm thinking they'll fit fine in the midgame, on all my playthroughs it just feels like they come a little too late to feel threatening, and I usually wrap up the campaign not long after so they're not around for long.

>>164672992
Yes.

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>>164669964
>Run 'n Gun Stun Lancers
>2 armor

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>>164674897

They already do that.

In case of some bugs or another mechanic I dont know about, I had once situation, where one of them performer slash after dashing AND move followed with shooting during same turn. Probably because he was set ablaze after slashing and that triggered second action.

>>164675778
>ablaze
The fire damage made him panic. When a unit panics, they can move and shoot at an enemy with a reduced chance to hit. Bad luck.

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>>164675949

Almost as bad as when that VIP was hiding behind solid wall of building without windows nearby and advent trooper attacked and killed him anyway, despite being basically unable to see him at all.

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>>164676658
>tfw can't break los in X2
between all the windows and see through walls it just isn't an option anymore.

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>>164669964
When Elite mecs are reduced to half health they combine Gurren Lagann style , regain all health and get 100+ hp and 100+dmg

No joke, I would love 2 enemy mecs combining into a sectopod if any of them were half hp, as a game mechanic.

>>164669964
>Sectoids leaders have Psionic Squadsight
>Viper tounge deals poison damage
>Faceless can attack after dash
>If humans survives a Crysalid attack it becomes a walking Cocoon

>>164678704
>Viper tounge deals poison damage
I actually like this idea.

>If humans survives a Crysalid attack it becomes a walking Cocoon
If you don't have med packs they already are,

>>164678872
you can just evac them, also i would like to see the ability to build different kind of skyrangers like in OG XCom, each one with different abilities

>Huge Skyranger that carries lots of troops but has to land in open areas with almost no cover and alerts all alien pods
>Infiltrating Skyranger that allows you to choose where to land at the beginning of the mission

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>>164669751

As long as they come in a slick Purple paint job it will be OK.

>>164669937
Same. All those gymnastics give me a boner while playing, most irritating.

>>164671217
Goddamn, man, we have the same fetish, but maybe you're putting too much effort into it?

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>>164669937

>>164672216
I'm going to assume a mod that Firaxis has paid for is going to get some behind-the-scenes warning to prep for updates.

>>164681153

Aside from lurking? Not really. I expected more, to be honest.

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Another day, another successful operation.

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>>164681606
hello

>>164681167
i got a boner during the hacking scene and i got annoyed about it

damn holo ladies

I just finished the game, what could that ending mean?

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>>164684016
Tentacles from the Deep

>>164684016
Nothing. Just wait for the announcements. They retconned the first game easily, as far as I know they can do the same again

>>164669964
More of a wish really, I want enough of a proper re-balance in just about every aspect of the game to fix the core issues.

I'm really cautious of this because I'm not too sure that the same lightning full of bullshit that was oddly of the best experiences I've ever had can strike twice. So far every mod that I've played did its own thing, and it did it well, but the underlying problems that made the whole thing an alpha strike simulator always stayed. They can add it whatever they desire, but if the core of the game remains slaughtering everything the turn you see it, immobilizing them so you can do it next turn, or eating huge shit if you can't do one of the two, then it's junk

>>164684235

>Remember when we announced that first game was just a simulation?
>The second game was simulation as well, designed to harden Commander against what will awaits ahead of him and humanity!
>Because in real world, while you were training after winning against invasion, humanity invasion fleet reached Lmaos home planet and prepare for subtle infiltration!

Just in case, if Firaxis would decide to use that idea, please mention /xcg/ and that humble anon, kay?

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>>164669964
I really have a stupid wish about a full port of EW on XCOM 2 engine, but that's really unlikely. I just dislike the way core gameplay of XCOM 2 works, where everything must die in one turn like the guy above mentioned.

>>164669967
>Psy-mechs
Fund it

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>>164684292
At its core Long War was just EW taken to a logical (and illogical) extreme in every aspect.

A larger, better research tree, deeper base design, more tactical options, retarded strong aliens.

They're obviously going to have to overhaul the Avatar Project if they want to live up to the "Long" aspect of Long War 2.

>>164685126
>EW tier 2 weapon port never
>will never use the sexy EXALT lasers to melt advent faces

why live?

>>164672238
>mecs can hack your specialists
My sides

>>164685126
>>164685461
i'd argue just tuning down numbers would fix the problems but all the balance, AI, and enemy mods just dump more enemies with larger stats into the game.

>On the last throw I managed to reach region with Advent base from Codex jacking and halt the Avatar Project by two bars
>No supplies, no informations left
>Mission pops out, 220 supplies and 118 info as reward

Also, my first mission against Sectopod. Are normal Sectopods as durable as Julianpod?

>>164685792
No, Julian is a unique boss type.

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BATTLEFIELD 1 PORTS WHEN

>>164686116
>WW1 guns in 2035

>>164685792
Normal Sectopods have less health than Julian but Julian's AI is more hamstringed in comparison.

>>164686021

Good, it was annoying to fight him with his 35+ hp bar and neverending swarm of selfdestructing robots, with 4 man squad without ranks other than first, class giving one, during first month or beginning of second, when mission unlocks.

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>>164686245
Advent forgot to confiscate museum guns

If we can have AK47 mods and M14 mods I don't see why not

I have a hardon for WW1 tech anyways, always wanted to remove snek with Martini Henry

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>>164686116
Silent Storm port when?

Though I doubt it's going to work without bullet physics and free aiming.

>>164686648

>Jerzey

I still dont know why they named him that silly way or what his "yes guz!" mean.

Also, panzerkleins were extremely rage worthy and game ruining.

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Post those operation names, soldier.

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>>164685776
Turning down numbers wouldn't do much. Alpha striking is required because of the timers, and the number of cover destruction / general disruption / death abilities the Aliens have.

If you turn down the timers, having half your squad panicked or dead because a MEC naded your rooftop position would be slightly less disastrous, but doesn't change the fact that the MEC can do a lot of damage without a lot of setup / warning.

Same goes for Stun Lancers, Codex rifts, Viper pulls, and the very existence of Andromedons.

The "firefights" you saw in LW were because almost every alien did the same thing: lob plasma. Sure, there would be stat variances that changed how they *approached* lobbing Plasma, but you had to really fuck up to be victim to any of the weirder abilities (Sectopod Barrage, Death Blossom, etc).

In XCOM 2, pretty much every Alien has something that they can call up to fuck you hard, and you have a harder time avoiding those abilities.

The best fix to this would be to emulate what the Additional Mission Type mod does, and make buffed ADVENT the majority of the forces you encounter, and make Aliens a lot more rare. You still get the interesting mechanics the aliens bring to the field, while still making the longer-term firefights feasible.

>>164687121
Fuck off, you fight Advent too much as is

>>164687384
>>164687121
He's not wrong though. Maybe strip down the ayys abilities and re-implement the leader/boss units from LW and have them be the ones with the instant always hits guaranteed to do damage abilities.

>>164687545
>play LW1.5 for 80% of mission
>alien appears
>have to alpha strike it down as usual before returning to LW1.5
bravo

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>on other generals where they are discussing how their modders have slowly lost their minds
How do fight against modder insanity? Do we need to start a foundation to provide counseling and positive support?

>>164687686
>ever having an enemy top the priority list to focus is inherently bad
It's not so black and white, it would come down to the execution, the idea isn't inherently flawed.

>>164687889
>if an enemy does anything more than move and shoot it needs to be very rare
make it easier to deal with losing soldiers and even missions instead, LW1 already did that. it's better than neutering everything down to people take 45% shots at each other until somebody hits for entire missions

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>>164686854
It was made by slavs and many characters are like stereotypical memes about various nations from their point of view. Wish their character sheets with bios were uploaded somewhere, but I can't find one.

Panzerkleins were damn wonky, I agree, but heavy grenades were usually enough to kill or cripple them, also, god-tier Beretta SMGs were able to penetrate them (don't ask why). Luckily they were late game stuff and were like 10-20% of a game.

>>164688283
BERETTA MOD IN XCOM 2 WHEN

>>164688127
>if an enemy does anything more than move and shoot it needs to be very rare
You'll notice I said instant always hit guaranteed damage abilities. Nades aren't included due to limited range. This would be targeted at MECs (specifically advanced mecs) and Andromedons mostly. Could also be fun to include some powered up versions of other ayys for the leaders. Maybe make the Codex AOE a bit smaller

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>>164687686
Except the "cut through hordes of mooks until you get slapped upside head by the commander" has been the approach pretty much every XCOM game has taken.

Long War brought it to an extreme that generally worked. Floaters and Mutons generally served as hideous riflemen, but the stronger aliens made things interesting.

>>164688127
Adjusting how the game handles death / mission failure would only solve a symptom of the Alpha strike problem rather than fixing it outright.

>>164688662
Except X-COM made up for that by adding in loads of depth and options on the tactical and strategic layer that all forms of XCOM lack. LW bandaged it but it was still the same game at the core. 2 added in some nice QoL features and fundamentally better features like destructability and random maps (even if their implementation is fucked) but it made XCOM and the aliens too powerful. Going back strictly to LW would be a step back to EU design

>>164689043
>going back to EU would be a stepback
But would it? I mean, we don't have to go all the way back, but I'm just saying X1 undeniably does some stuff better. I don't see how bringing that to X2 would be "a step back."
Would adding features from x-com be a step back?

>>164689267
It's a step back in design, specifically the enemies. I don't think it's a positive most enemies in EU/EW/LW were all very similar. 2 swings too much in the other direction, especially with the vanilla AI where Sectoids are usually jokes compared to troopers purely because the latter shoots more often, but I'd rather find a medium in between, not swing completely back to EU. EU doesn't have the problem because it avoided it entirely, it's not a good fix
>Would adding features from x-com be a step back?
Most features from X-COM would be adding complexity and depth to the game.

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>really enjoy the early game of standard armor and weapons vs basic advent squads
>it lasts for such a disappointingly short time before it is plasma rifles and super explosions wiping sectopods and andromedons squads in 1 turn
I just wanna play terrorist

>>164689648
feel like I never see anyone mention here one of the most glaring balance issues is that you can rush magnetic weapons incredibly fast even compared to lasers in EW (not even bringing up LW). it allows you to start snowballing by april/may. lump's probably going to gate that off behind a bunch of prereq techs

>>164687889
>on other generals where they are discussing how their modders have slowly lost their minds
rip shiv

>>164689043
Correct me if I'm being retarded, but my playing of X-COM still forced me to focus down the aliens unfortunate enough to enter LoS or suffer withering fire from every side of the map from aliens you cannot yet see.

That danger was offset by the fact you had a lot more tools to work with, and the life of a single soldier carried a lot less weight than it does in the new games.

With regards to unit variety, the Terror units were an excellent departure, but the standard aliens didn't really have any distinct abilities until you encountered the Commander with Psionic abilities or the Blaster Launcher.

>>164689634
>2 swings too much in the other direction
>but I'd rather find a medium in between
Ok so we basically agree then. Scale down some of the ayys abilities or limit them so they aren't so pervasive.

> you can rush magnetic weapons incredibly fast even compared to lasers in EW
Is it really faster? I thought it was pretty much the same. On legendary it certainly forces you too spend more time on ballistics.

>>164689840
>spiderman

>>164689928
>Correct me if I'm being retarded, but my playing of X-COM still forced me to focus down the aliens unfortunate enough to enter LoS or suffer withering fire from every side of the map from aliens you cannot yet see.
Your not wrong. I think part of X2's issue is that you can't even do simple things like run away from engagements or break off contact, or just sit tight.

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>unlocking warden armor

>>164690048
>you can't even do simple things like run away from engagements or break off contact, or just sit tight

I hate that. Probably the one I absolutely hate the most is that aliens simply don't respect anything you have, resulting in overwatch and Suppression being absolutely useless in having aliens stay put. What's the purpose of it all if the alien run through overwatch and Suppression all the time anyway, sometimes not to even secure a flank, escape a flank, or get a better angle, but to just move one tile to the right?

When does "dark events" expire? Or some dont expire at all?

I gave up on preventing the one making sneaking in initial ambush mode harder to block another one, but now I wonder if I have to endure this effect for the rest of campaign.

>>164691873
they usually last a month.

>>164691409
>I'm sitting in this pretty sweet ass indestructible full cover right now
>Better move to that shitty half cover and take a pot shot at those terrorists
As I've said before, X2 AI was lobotomized to work with the timer system so the game wasn't too hard.

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>>164669608
My wallet is full and ready.

>>164670209
>casts that electrical storm spell that disarms you
>you lose your erection

>>164672287
Dioxine, is that you?

>>164687889
You can't fight insanity, it will always get you in the end.

That said, it turns out money can keep people doing something they don't enjoy long past the point when they would have stopped. I'm living proof of that.

I really wish there could be a way to train low ranks by more experienced crew in X2. In the end, I always keep running with same squad, +- 1 or two guys, simply because enemies gets too dangerous to run with low rank guys.

Or it would require not going optimal simply to give them kills, but out of remaning enemies, Im happy when I find muton, currently the weakest guys.

>>164692148
>I'm living proof of that.
Well don't leave us hanging, what do you do anon?

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Just finished my first base defense mission on modded commander, I was dreading it but that was easy as fuck. Most of the aliens basically just bee-lined it to to the avenger so I gunned them down then flanked the jammer thing with a small team who sniped it without pulling a berzerker pod near it.

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just heard the news about long war 2.
boy am i excited. any info yet?
they didnt even set a releasedate or timeframe.

>>164692754
It'll be released in the "coming weeks" per the news post.

>>164692148

>Dioxine, is that you?

W-who?

Also, how much shit I am if, when checking total turn numbers after missions, I would nearly always run out of time in missions with timers, if I didnt turn on "True Conc" mod AND add 1-2 to each timer counter?

I ask because every time somebody says that timers suck on Steam discussion board, people basically say "git gud, timers are balanced".

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>>164692754
come back in a week or two.

They're really going to draw this one out since it's probably going to be the first proper total overhaul of the strategic and tactical layers.

all things considered XCOM 2's mod scene has been pretty god tier, even without Firaxis commissions

>>164692879
must have missed that.
thats great. this is gonna be so fucking great. i havent touched xcom lately beyond trying out that coop mod.

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>>164692972
You're pretty shit. I can see cutting it close every now and then, especially if it's a relay mission, but if you consistently cannot finish the objective in eight turns you're not playing well.

Default timers are more than enough unless you get very, very, very unlucky with objective / alien placement.

>>164692972
It doesn't really mean anything. Under vanilla timers I almost run out of time. You almost run out of time, even though you have more turns. Why? Because we are both playing to the rules, and trying to squeeze the best chance of victory under those rules, which means taking as many turns as you can get away with.

>>164693334
This, if you were playing with default timers and regularly failing missions due to time then it would mean something.

>>164693265

8 turns is pretty large, Im talking about all those 5-6 turns timers.

I got mad about default timers, to be honest, because I dont like being forced into rushing, when the most logical approach would be scouting first and preparing combat ground. Especially with all those "fuck you" buttons aliens have.

For example, when facing "kill/capture VIP" or "resquie and escort VIP", if I would play without mentioned mod halting timers, I would have like 4-5 turns to clear the path when I reach the position. And just rushing would mean VIP death, because alien backup spawns always on rescue zone.

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>>164692243
Spoilering for off topic blogpost: I'm a software engineer making a ludicrous amount of money working for a company I hate, with people I hate interacting with, on projects that always seem to change requirements midway through and/or never get used. Work makes me nothing but sad or angry. I tried quitting once, when I said I was moving away from the city I started in, but they said, "It's ok, you can work remotely." So now I really can't quit, because there's no way I'd make even half as much as I'm currently making where I live now. And my boss told me today that they want to promote me to managing people (that I'll probably hate). Ugh.

>>164692879
Holy shit, really? That might actually get me to play X2 again.

>>164693057
How was the coop mod?

>>164689648
If LW2 is anything like LW1, you will get your wish.

>>164691409
>>164692127
This is the main problem with the game along with absolutely shit LOS calculation. They give ayys and you all these different abilities but dumb it down so much it doesn't even feel like you have options anymore. There's always ONE correct choice.

>>164694201
Maybe having more control over how projects are run will actually be better. But you have my condolences anyway. Don't forget there's more to life than cash if you ever see a different path to take.

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>>164692879
The news post literally (not even misusing the word here) says that they'll be release more info in the "coming weeks", buddy.

>>164694676
Be releasing more info, not the mod itself*
Fuck me.

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>>164687008

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>>164697615

Cute.

>>164669964

Is this just fan art from DA or there is more behind this pic?

>>164699729
LW2 has been officially announced

>>164685126
Let me tell you something. I have a great mod combination that leads to long, protracted firefights where hunkering is a good tactical choice and its just great. It's just a bit too hard, but I've almost perfected it.
-disable mission timers
-aba 2.0
-advent tactical awareness
-scanning sites plus
-mission penalty rebalnce
-quicker start
GIve it a go!

>>164700605
Thanks for this recommendation. I'll try it.

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Holy fuck, they're really doing a long war two?

I thought they were going to be working on their own game, long war two seemed like it would take too much time and effort.

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>>164701902
Just so you know, I run it with 6 initial squad members, and it's still too hard. I dunno what late or midgame is like, because I have never made it past early game! So give it a tweak for what's best for you. Hope you enjoy it!

>>164704318
What difficulty setting do you run it on?

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>>164704769
Commander

>>164704881
Wrong thread?

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>>Christopherodd and Marbozir are doing a Co-Op campaign.

Anyone interested?

>>164707564
>Co-Op campaign
Explain.

>>164707564
sounds intriguing

>>164708261
they will be rotating a savefile and playing each mission with the squad composition the last one set up

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So I tried installing customization mods for the first time and I get this kind of shit.
What's causing it?

Is 63 will acceptable for converting a unit to MEC? Playing EW on Classic.

>>164708976
that right there is a dependant cosmetic mod, one of the few. You need to have the halo techsuits mod for those to work. Then if memory serves, you apply the techsuit and the armour goes over the top. Hope this helps.

>>164708976
i believe the halo armor mod has an empty legs and arms option because its meant to use the torso for everything
so when the game generates a new recruit it picks randomly from all the possible options and sometimes it might pick those

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>>164687008
Dannyboy is coming home.

>>164709338
>>164709487
Oh, ok then. I guess I'll turn it off, having random generated squad members turn invisible would piss me off
Thanks guys

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>tfw your last and favorite soldier doesnt have enough points to evac after you activated the last 3 pods that were cluster together
>tfw a snek takes your soldier and starts slowly raping it
>tfw 2 sneks join the party and start throwing poison at the defenseless soldier
>you get to watch defenselessly your favorite soldier getting literally raped by sneks for 10 turns before she dies

Watching this was terrible, she was my best soldier with the best gear and has been on each and every mission so far, always saving everyone and clutching the last shots of 45%

>>164685126
>I just dislike the way core gameplay of XCOM 2 works, where everything must die in one turn like the guy above mentioned.
>Implying this wasnt the same in EW or Long War

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So, Long War 2.

What might we say is the core of Long War? What should we expect? A longer campaign, certainly. More equipment tiers? Balance changes across the board? Personally, I'm hoping for added depth to the strategy layer, base building, and geoscape.

>>164692201
There is a mod that has that, your more experienced soldier can train rookies, the more rank they have, better rank the rookies get.

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r8

missing is Ygritte the assault

>>164709974
>>Implying this wasnt the same in EW or Long War
It's similar but not the same. Wound timers, turn timers, and some of the always hit alien abilities rack it up another notch.

>>164710175
>Personally, I'm hoping for added depth to the strategy layer, base building, and geoscape.
Without this it would be a pretty hollow mod desu

>>164710903

Well, they could just add new content, dial up the diffculty a bit and consolidate the whole thing with their previous X2 mods. What I want is stuff like "missions are constantly available and you have to decide on which ones to pursue" or "the resistance is an actual, tangible resource" or anything else that significantly changes up the way we play the campaign.

>>164709810
I had an ADVENT VIP mission where I had reached the evac on a 3 story building with like 3 turns left, but my guy got pulled down to the lower levels by sneks. I managed to get really lucky with rolls though and evac'ed everyone.

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>>164671217

Thanks for the list.

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Post webms

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Just got back from a hiatus after seeing Long Dong 2 pop up in my twitter feed and HOLY SHIT am I hyped. This general is on a highway to high-traffic again. Missed you anons.

POST SQUADS

>>164718652
X2's modding Discord is less hyped for LW2. For the most part, they're worried about how much shit LW2 is going to inevitably conflict with and the shitstorm they're going to have to deal with, as all the entitled rebbit babbies demand every mod be compatible with it.

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Say hello to Sledge /xcg/

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>>164718652
heres two of my dudes

>>164720115
OH FUCK

>>164669751
>activate overdrive
>start spewing out spells

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>100% chance
>shot misses

>>164720115
yooo

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I vaguely remember that there's a way to choose the specific path a troop goes instead of an automatic line snapping to spots in Xcom 2. It was useful for avoiding enemy line of sight. How was this done again?

>>164723117
hold left ctrl and right clic, when you are done right clic on the final tile

>>164723341
thanks my anon

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This is a Chryssalid.

Say something nice about her.

Is there a way to watch your previous missions in Xcom 2?

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>still no Viper sex mods

>>164717671
Badass

>>164720115
Stay away from my pristine barricades you monster

>>164723836
She caters to my fetishes of rape, bestiality and egg laying

>>164723836
Those legs look pretty tasty

>>164724442
Record them
no

>>164720002
>X2s modding discord

got a link?

>>164720002

I don't go to the modding discord but i'd agree, the thought of having to make sure every mod is compatible with LW2 gives me nightmares.

>>164709670
You can adjust the likelihood of rookies spawning in with a particular mod's cosmetic options.

It's in the settings screen, but I forget where.

>>164713360
>What I want is stuff like "missions are constantly available and you have to decide on which ones to pursue"
Scanning Sites Plus did the bulk of the work on this, all it needs is properly balanced and integrated into a campaign. Hope LW2 integrates it

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>>164692754
People should draw more cute Vipers and less lewd.

Even if they are pure evil.

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It's been nearly a year since release. Even the literally paid shills are admitting XCOM 2 is fucking trash and nuXCOM was a mistake. Can you take your heads out of Firaxis's asshole and move on now?

>>164726797
I hope they adopt a more silent storm type of combat for XCOM3.

>>164723836
Do they still impregnate you in Xcom 2

>>164727183
yeah but now they spawn a cocoon that spits out 3 cryssalids

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>>164726797
XCOM 2 was one of the only sequels this year that wasn't either completely bland (Dishonored 2) or decided to shoot itself in the foot because reasons (DX:HR)

That said, it has a number of features that are departures from EU/EW and are incredibly divisive and lend themselves to discussion.

>>164727183
Instead of impregnating people they make eggs.

The victim is the yolk.

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>>164727406
Mankind Divided was so bland you mixed it up with Human Revolution. No ambition at all.

>>164727770
It's a shame, I played HR like five times before tiring of it. MD took only one playthough.

>>164727406
>>164727770
I was more interested in breaking into peoples apartments and stealing their booze and painkillers than I was in the story

>>164727976
I think it has a sort of ME2 problem. They try to stretch out a trilogy so they make a sequel where nothing really happens but they add new characters, abilities, lore, etc.

Hopefully the next DX game does not have the ME3 problem.

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>>164727770
I'd hate to be whoever did the level design for Prague. There was some god tier level design and exploration that was buried under mountains of shit writing, a godawful copout of a story, and gameplay that didn't really go anywhere from HR.

The new augmentations were pretty sweet, but the only combat encounters that had any teeth were the very last ones.

>>164728168
>I think it has a sort of ME2 problem
But ME2 was my favorite one...

>>164728182
I thought that arctic base was a real waste of potential. It could've been like Rifleman Bank Station or Omega Ranch but turned out to be short and underwhelming.

Also the part with the Orchid was really fucking dumb.

>>164728342
It was mine too.

By problem I mean in the narrative sense.

>>164726764
>Xcom operatives
>Wearing skirts
Muh dick

>>164726797
It has its flaws but hopefully long dong two fixes a lot and they learn from it for the inevitable com 3

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>>164728182
>>164728527
At the very least it gave us this pic

>>164726764
Normally I believe that a good snek is one doused in napalm but I rather like that pic. I blame the armour.

>>164728707
man to live through that election cycle once more

I wanted it to be over for so long but I miss the tension

>>164728527
>By problem I mean in the narrative sense.
Guess I just never really noticed that. If you are enjoying the games story now, why worry about overarching stuff that is "later."

>>164726797
I know this is bait, but Beagle already shared most of this script. The video is basically going to be about X2's pros and cons, and how most of it can be fixed in an expansion and through patches.

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>>164687008

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New player, is there any reason for me to do Retaliations early instead of focusing on other matters? I'm still swimming in supplies even after spending alot on rooms and engineering so the income hit just seems pointless.

>>164728930
Losing a region is a really, really bad thing,

Do retaliations.

>>164728930
If you ignore them it locks you out of the region, which you then need to spend intel again to re-establish contact with. If you are in a tight spot with the Avatar project it can end your campaing
>t. anon who is almost good enough for legendary but not quite and barely it out of early game only to throw it all away

>>164728930
Research. Second retaliation mission is the first time you run into mutons and would you really want to delay getting better explosives?

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>>164729015
>>164729127
>>164729206
Damn, its right with one of my 4 Captains out too. Guess I'll have to substitute him with a Squaddie Specialist with the other Specialist and Aid Protocol spam my Ranger, hes carried quite alot of missions with that strat.

>>164729710
>Constantly Aid Protocol'ed Ranger
Its OP as fuck, I have confidence.

>>164729710
It's still not worth A-team members dying though, so if things look dicey and you have room to breath strategically, I wouldn't hesitate to evac.

>>164729893
Oh I won't risk that Ranger dying, if hes in a bad spot I'll get him out but so far hes regularly solo-killed nearly everything when I used this method.

You have frog, spartan, nova, and kerrigan suits.

But yes I agree, there should be more.

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AIR
GAME

>>164700605

Hello beagle

>>164731505
>no class mods or suppression mods

>>164720115
That is a very attractive man with a nice, strong back. No homo.

>>164727770
>"knock knock"
>"who is it?
>XCOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRJ7eCiWY7M

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VALKYRIA MODS WHEN?

>>164700605
>>164731505
>beagle
>ABA
you are wrong mate

>>164726797

My only problem with Xcom2 is the optimization, i swear every time i play it it runs worse.

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>>164732357

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>>164731848
I can get you the models and textures, can you do the rest?

>>164731848
STALKER mods when?

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So what's the expansion gonna be about? What new aliens will they add?

>>164709974
LW's most important change was that you DIDN'T have to kill everything in one turn. It was a big breath of fresh air going from vanilla I/I to LW.

I/I was just breaking los until you can grenade the pod to death. LW gives you tools to survive living aliens in the early game, from suppression through flash/smokes though alloy plates and cover DR that let your soldiers reliably survive a hit.

I'm surprised you say it was the same in LW since to me that was the biggest change from EU to LW, turning the engagements into actual firefights.

>>164669964
It all hinges on the strategy layer. If they manage to revive the airgame, or replace it with something filling a similar role, LW2 will probably be even better than LW1. If LW2 stays a purely tactical layer game like X2, it will most likely be inferior to LW1.

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>>164728930
>>164729710
>Decide to go make some food before I embark
>Accidentally left the game in the Geoscape
Well, RIP.

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>>164733851
You're not the only one thats done that, don't worry. Hopefully your region doesn't get locked out

>>164733851
Imagine living in a world where the aliens won because commander went off to eat his lunch and everyone else just stood around like idiots.

>>164726764
>How to canon get a viper comrade.

>Hit them so hard in the head they get amnesia.

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>>164734178
>In the XCOM universe no one has even a slight amount of strategic sense except the Commander

>>164734178
"he said he was going for lunch. Its been 3 months and he is still sitting in the table looking blankly to the wall"

>>164734468
>Bradford says the past 20 years has been hell without you
>On first playthrough I proceed to lose the campaign within a couple of months
Probably should've kept me in ADVENT hands, they would've fucked themselves by leeching my strategic mind.

>>164669502

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO FIX OUR CHARACTER POOLS

FOR FUCKS SAKE ITS BEEN NEARLY HALF A YEAR SINCE THE DLC BROKE IT

>>164734636
>Instead of rescuing you, XCOM just wakes you up and tells you it's a simulation
>The first XCOM is a now strategy game where you have to lose as hard as possible to save the earth

Speaking of, if XCOM 1 is just the ayylmao simulation, I'm sure that also means that van doorn is actually the bald councilman

>Thin men were human soldiers protecting the head of the council
>Van Doorn is over the top because the ayys think that's what humans are like
>Only character in the game with the UN flag
>EXALT were actually the real XCOM

>>164710175

More weapons types would be nice actually.

LMGs which are a balance between cannons and assault rifles

Marksman rifles which are a balance between assault rifles and Sniper weaponry to give classes like the Shinobi a more assassin feeling.

Auto pistols and sawn off scatter guns would nice as side arms as well.

>>164735214

>I'm sure that also means that van doorn is actually the bald councilman

Nah, some of the random banter as you float around the avenger has Bradford say that he's picking up some transmissions from some nutjob called Van Doorn, asking for recruitment.

>>164735214
>Speaking of, if XCOM 1 is just the ayylmao simulation
No its not. XCOM 1 is xcom1. In XCOM2 XCOM 1 is a simulation.

>>164735447
>Nah, some of the random banter as you float around the avenger has Bradford say that he's picking up some transmissions from some nutjob called Van Doorn, asking for recruitment.

And I can't call braford a tosser for picking him and divert the avenger itself to pick him up?

pff nice game jake

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>>164733031

>>164726797
>>164727406
XCOM 2 is the only game where I completely agree with buying it and I'm still disappointed in all the flaws.

>>164736127
To be fair that's preferable to ignoring or downplaying flaws

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>>164723836

Their carcasses make for some real good complements to Psy-Armor.

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>Military Escort Mission
>Thin Man snipes Escort from across the map while in high cover and hunkered down
>Escorting Zhang
>Thin Man snipes him from across the map while in high cover and hunkered down AND on high ground

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>>164741545

>>164709810
>Watching
>not saving
Bad commander.

>>164741545
Tactics Ogre gave me PTSD when it came to bullshit RNG.

>PSP port has a fucking mechanic that lets you MANIPULATE TIME
>escort missions are STILL impossible if you have back luck

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>>164741545

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>>164687008

Is the Avatar project actually by Hawaii or is that just a placeholder and I need to complete missions to find it?

>>164742376
It's not a placeholder.

i hope LW2 fixed retaliation missions and kind of makes them like LW base defense.

>squad drops in
>civvies are already fighting the ayys in their favela shitholes
>there's a shit ton of ayys
>it's a grueling meat grinder of death every turn on both ends.

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Any playable xenomorph mods out yet? I want one in the squad for shits and gigs

>>164745953
>in the squad
>not as an enemy

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>>164718652
From a campaign I never got around to finish.

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>>164742034
>Having an actual faggot in your squad
For what fucking purpose

>>164741545
>no smoke
fucking casuals

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>>164748961
Do you want a squadmate who will watch your back? Or REALLY watch your back

>>164750272

I want awakened central as my squadmate.

>>164742034
what.

I just cashed in a prisoner council request in Long Dong. Went to look at my new corporal and the default namelist randomed me up "Hideo 'Mack' Kojima".

What do I do with him?

>>164751771
Fire him.

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Two questions, /xcg/, if I may ask:

1) How hard it is to mod new weapon types? Lets say I would like to add fully melee class, wtih sword as primary and shield as secondary weapon. Would that be possible?

2) Can I "force" game to give me a Chance to recruit certain characters from pool? I made rather long list of characters named after my guild members, but Im few missions after Sectopods introduction already and still cant get certain ones - on recruitment screen, game still gives me random guys, while I selected "pool only" in options.

Thanks for replies!

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>>164718652

>>164726797

>Beagle thinks X2 is trash

Yeah, no. He, like most of us, feels that XCOM 2 is close to excellence and only needs some fixes and more depth to get there. If we'd been comparing X2 vanilla to EU vanilla, opinions would have been a lot different.

>>164752921
desu people shit on it so much I feel like I'm the only one playing and enjoying the game

Also, what customization options would be best to recreate Judges armor and qt Anderson from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb4f1xpSu-I

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>>164753009

No, I'm with you. I have 400 hours logged, pretty much had an ongoing campaign at any given point since launch. I can see the room for improvement, I'm eager to hear of the expansion, but I don't believe the bile is anywhere near justified.

>>164753009
>>164753707

Can I join in?

I dont like how ayy lmaos got buffed, I feel nervous when going on missions, but in the end, nobody died yet and I keep playing, with 3rd day so far, where I end up at 2am. Controlling Sectopods in mission is fun.

But even with those buffs on aliens side, I can still deliver firepower enough to kill said Sectopod without planning with three people, but probably could with just two (Grenedier + Sniper with bluescreen rounds is proably all I need).

>>164753908
>I feel nervous when going on missions

You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>164753009
>>164753707

In summa summarum, I feel like X2 has one brilliant edge. The moddability. Yes, I know, "mods will fix it" is an apologist phrase and not really a credit to the game itself, but the truth is that if you don't like what XCOM 2 is, you can turn it into what you want it to be. Turn timers not to your liking? Remove them and add more challenge in some other way. Don't like having to kill aliens immediately? Buff the cover values and use an AI mod that makes them more defensive. Etc etc etc.

>>164754794

Should be. But I keep playing.

Why?

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I know it's not an X-Com game, but are posts about Xenonauts welcome as well? It's basically an upgraded re-release of the original X-Com.

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>>164755358
yes

>>164752421

>1) How hard it is to mod new weapon types? Lets say I would like to add fully melee class, wtih sword as primary and shield as secondary weapon. Would that be possible?

From the code perspective, relatively easy. Your problem here is that we don't have the animations necessary for such a class, so you would have to make your own. Animating is hard and there's no animators in the community, except for the guy who made the sassy snake mod, but he died.

The only mods i know of with new animations are the LW laser pack and the mercenary weapons mod, and those animations are very simple. The only other guy who seems capable of animations is Stenchfury, but he hasn't even released the alien mod he has been working on where he has new animations.

No idea about your second question.

>>164754975
>Buff the cover values
That's an interesting idea.

>change high cover and low cover values with each other
>now the AI is good at the game

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>>164755236

Because nervousness is an emotional response, which means you're invested in the game. Most games these days are "safe", you can't actually FAIL them. At worst, you reload a save file or respawn. XCOM allows you to fail and lose, sometimes spectacularly. You're going up against difficult odds, and it's thrilling.

>>164756214

>but he died

;_;7

Still, cant we reuse animations from alien classes? I mean, force soldiers models to use their animations? Attacking with melee weapon could borrow Stun Lancer thrust attack, for example. Covering behind shield would require custom, tho.

>>164756976

Yeah you can do that, but as an example of a problem, even Stun lancers have a rifle that they hold in their "idle" animation. So for starters, you would need a new animation where they hold a sword and a shield in each hand when they're just standing around, when they're in cover, when they walk, when they run, and so on and so forth.

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>>164755490
Alright, in which case shall we talk about squad composition? The composition I currently use is the following:
>2x Assault (for flanking, breaking and entering UFO's etc.)
>1x Heavy Weapons (If you absolutely, positively need to kill a motherfucker)
>1x Sniper (to intervene from a long range wherever needed/possible)
>1x Medic (to keep everyone alive, armed with a pistol and a medkit)
>3x Riflemen (your regular, rank and file troops)

I'm more or less satisfied with this composition, but have three small problems with it:
>The Heavy Weapons guy is useless unless he's already in a good firing position without having to move
>The medic is useless in combat (though perhaps this isn't a problem at all, he's the medic so he should be kept alive at all costs)
>No reliable means to capture enemies alive

A possible solution I've considered is to scrap both the Heavy Weapons guy and the medic for a grenadier (1 pistol with some ammo, 1 medkit, multiple grenades) who can both heal and use grenades to take out enemies (lethally or otherwise), and have a pistol in case of emergencies. The problem is that this might result in my Grenadiers and Assaults ending up with overlapping roles (clearing rooms before the rest moves in). So is this a good idea or would you suggest something else?

There's also another little issue that's more tedium than a real problem: it takes a long time to explore the map and figure out where the UFO is landed/crashed (especially on larger maps), but I feel having dedicated scouts to solve that problem would increase the overall combat effectiveness of my squad.

Thoughts?

>>164756774
Xenonauts player, but I agree (especially on Ironman). In the first few missions you WILL get your shit pushed in. As your weapons and armor upgrade missions become a lot safer, but there's always the risk of the one asskicker carrying your team being taken out by a sneaky alien you haven't spotted in time, greatly reducing your chances of winning.

>>164757187
From what little I played of xenonauts, there wasn't much need for specialized medics because almost every rifleman, shield and assault had the space for a personal medkit. I guess you unlock more stuff to lug around later on?

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>>164732632

I couldn't; don't know jack about modeling.

Getting the models isn't quite the issue

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/57070-lewd-mods-and-xcom-2/?p=1658067

(although its incomplete, doesn't have any imp gear)


I was hoping, with the models already provided last thread, someone could make use of them. At least the sick-ass armored plating of lancers, officers cap, or selvaria's general outfit.

Just a dream, though.

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>>164755490
Is UFO: Aftersomething welcomed as well?

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>>164758839
Because enemy designs there were rad as fuck.

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>>164735117

What did they break about character pools?

>>164741545
>thin men
>on a BOMB MISSION
>mfw

What research do you guys usually prioritize?

>>164741545
THEY CAN"T MISS VIPS. IT"S LITERALLY A GAME MECHANIC

>>164745953
Pretty sure the one being worked on got cancelled after some copyright stuff.

>>164758839

Spooky.

>>164759301
Guns guns

>>164759301
In which game? In general you want better weapons first, since offence is the best defense,

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>>164720115
>Rainbow Six Siege ports

I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

You're planning on porting over his Sledge Hammer as well right? It'd be awesome to have a melee weapon that could be used to attack and tear open walls/ cover with a single swing of the sledge instead of leveling the building with explosives. We breaching now. Fuze next?

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>>164759574
You spend most of the game without even seeing aliens and fighting weirdo mutants with conventional weaponry.

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>>164669502
Hey /xcg/, just shilling an article for my friend who writes about the defense industry. If you even opened it up and never read it, that'd be nice. It's a good article though, I swear on my A-team. Also it involved everyone's favorite plane :^)

>>164759795
>IQ
>IF IT RUNS ON BATTERIES I'LL SEE IT
>Get to see the objective no matter where you spawn
>can see mechs, coydexi, and other electronic/mechanical enemies in limited distance through walls

>>164759301
Not researching anything before second month.

>>164760034
>never links article
Genius: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443612/f-35-donald-trump-should-cancel-failed-f-35-fighter-jet-program

>>164759975
>root celery

>>164759975
>>164759010
>>164758839

>Kucherovsky

What is it with slavs and being able to design creepy as fuck creatures?

>>164761138
Everyone draws inspiration from their own lives

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I like turn limits

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>>164760034
Your friend is a complete fucking retard.

No seriously, this article is a fucking trainwreck.

>falls for the "program costs 1.5 Trillion now" fallacy that two seconds on google could disprove
>brings up problems during development that aren't even an issue in the most recent block
>shows a horrendous lack of understanding about how fighter programs actually fucking work
>throws in a shitload of jargon to mislead people
>refuses to acknowledge testimony from people who actually fly the fucking plane
>blowing anecdotes and minor issues the fuck out of proportion in absence of actual severe issues with the F-35

Seriously, almost every claim your friend makes disagrees directly with reality.

>>164763016
Same. Maybe not for every mission, but then not every mission has them.

>>164763892
Oh sure. If the first ADVENT Blacksite had a turn limit it would be absolutely awful but on most missions I enjoy the intensity and need to act quickly it adds.

Some people claim that every soldier gets AWC special skill, but it didnt happen with my team specialist. She reached max rank and didnt got her skill.

A bug or it is supposed to go that way?

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>Long War studio unironically added "Shinobi" as a new class