/scg/edg/ Star Citizen/Elite: Dangerous General #117

First for the RSI chat is cancer

Can we unbloat the OP next time?

Get rid of the YT links, we don't need them, just link to the SC YT channel instead.

It will also stop this [Embed] shit.

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Nth for graceful majesty

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>>164655860
ah shit, missed two in the greentexted part, sorry

anything new going on in the land of Korean:Grindfest?

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5th for blocked by Derek club

>>164656518
>5th

>>164656518
I wish twitter would give you a date when someone blocked you. People could then ask for your citizen number and D.Smart block date.

buyback tokens, when?

also fuck Turbulent while at it, for not updating this ultra shitty webpage.

>>164656949
Mine was just this week never really used twitter but comment on his sale post asking why would i buy another trouble development scam, and correct his grammar in another and last pointed out that he also back for SC after he posted about why would anyone back it.


Didn't even get a reply went straight to block guess he only respawns to troll reply's not facts

>>164657097
I've been blocked for a long time. I called him a clown when the PU was released.

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>20something years of trying to be relevant
>this is the result
such a cunt

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Xth for who else here is going to buy a Banu Militaman fighter when it goes up?

>>164659574
A. it looks like the imperial transport from star wars

B. not me because I'm not a retard paying hundreds of dollars for things I can't even use

>>164659574
Did they even mention what niche its meant to fill?

>>164659767
It's basically a hybrid between the Hornet and Avenger, it's supposed to be a heavier fighter like the Hornet but with speed and some cargo capacity. Like a faster Cutlass with less weapons.

>>164659574

Doubt they will make one any time soon, they already said in lore they mostly use merchentmen fitted for combat to make up their militia, althought they need some kind of fighter, having it made up of just medium/large sized ships seems a bit strange.

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>>164659918
>speedy ship with cargo capacity

Never gone wrong with that concept before

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>>164659975
>he doesn't realise the militaman is already confirmed
top kek

>>164659994
NEVER BEEN DONE BEFO. tho if they do it right it'd be good, a fighter for smugglers that's locked to those two roles


>>164659574
>no reverse image result
>REALLL FUCKIN SIMILAR artstyle to sabre concept art images
>HOT SHIT BANU DESIGN
pls be real

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>>164659918
>it's supposed to be a heavier fighter like the Hornet but with speed and some cargo capacity.

Hmm... really makes you think

>>164659574
this is such a subtle leak

>>164660158

If you think that says malitia you should get your eyes checked. All anyone can read from that is it starts with an M, it might say fucking Mechanazi for all we know...

>>164660371
militia* my bad

>>164660456
What does it fucking say then, you fucking scrub? Clearly says Militaman, not Merchant

>>164659574
6/10 if you hadn't pulled this kind of thing before you might have got me.

Also it turns out that WTFOSAURUS streamer guy is an ex-"pickupartist" scammer douchebag.

Would never have guessed :^)

Was there more on this a few threads ago or did you guys miss it/not care?

>>164660512

Well clearly you cant read because if you could youd have read that i said all we can definitely see is that it starts with an M you delusional fuckwit.

>>164660682
>implying that isn't clearly an i and ends with 'man'
>implying any other word than militia would be applicable there
lmao kid keep lying to yourself

>>164660770

>Implying that anyone can actually read whats written from a shity image like that.
>Implying Banu Mechanazi isnt confirmed.

Keep biting.

>>164660873
Do you think the Mechanazi will be viable, or just a hangar queen?

I like that name.

>>164660158
It's the new ship, the Bono Mickhprison

>>164660158
M A R K S M A N

>>164659574
is this real senpai????

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>>164661000
>>164661160

Its clearly the mechanazi! Theres even a concept leaked! Pretty sexy looking ship, cant wait to buy one.

The sound that you get when your shields get hit, the metallic tinking sound.

Did that sound used to be the hit marker when you shot someone else? Was that new with 2.6?

>>164659574
Trying to find the name of the concept artist, since it looks similar to some SC concept art.

Jan Urschel? John Dickenson?

Obviously deliberately cropped out watermark/signature is obvious and deliberate.

>>164659975
the BMM has the speed of a much smaller ship then it is, and they sitll plan to have it carry s4+ tier weapons and an over the top shield right below capital level.

I think where it stands the BMM when fitted for combat while most liking losing a lot of cargo to ammo/firepower could probably hold its own against smaller ships just fine along the lines of a stronger Connie role in combat.

Not that I would use it fro combat as I'm sure despite how many people got one if you lose it they could deter the mass amount of owners with a hefty 24+h wait to claim it under insurance as I don't think they planned for it to sell as much as it did.

>>164659574
here is your reply, if its legit its fucking ugly and I want nothing to do with it, also that looks nothing like Banu design

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I remember CIG bragging at length about how good their AI was.

They seem to have no idea how to fly, which I don't think was ever not the case, but 2.6 made it even more obvious. They don't comprehend how to deal with someone that is flying at <100m/s at all.


Really hope they fix these dopey fuckers

>>164662451
I doubt its even SC related if it was they would have already release ships in background or foreground as just about all there concepts outside release ones have shared there landscape photos with other ships of the same make

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>>164663672
Not the alien ones

>>164664064
that only applies to new ships under new makes the prowler is vastly different looking the other esperia craft.

Banu is a set theme like the vandal and other larger ship makers. who outside of Esperia have all had other ships in there artwork

>>164663409
To be fair current Vanduul are some straight line paper armor ass drones for joystick users to feel cool fighting.
Can't have them getting frustrated and discouraged.

>>164663672
Last time this happened it was art from an artist that was associated with SC, but the art was for another project.

>>164664303
Same happens with Pirate Swarm.

The constellations could be pretty scary if it wasn't for the fact that the only time they EVER try to face and fire on you is the initial close to merge, then they just flop about.

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all this reminds me of a question

Will other races have multiple producers, multiple competing ships with similar roles?
Or, as usual, it's just humans that are diverse and colorful while the supposed warrior race has one fighter type in each category and that's it?
Having all the hull types and starfarers and shit while the "trader race" has one ship for everything?

>>164664965
well the Xi'An ship companies hold monopolies over their areas, which is basically the in-lore way of saying "we don't wanna design more of these"

fuck knows about the vanduul

>>164665272
ok, they're a highly authoritarian, organized and rigid society. So it kind of makes sense. Kind of.
But making every single race like that just doesn't fly.

>>164664965
Vandul have the largest variety of fighters/ships from aliens we have seen, Banu seem to only have niche ships for there suited roll but they function as nomads like quarian's from Mass Effect.

Esperie makes ships based on all the alien tech and will more then likely hold more variety later in game then Vandul but be tied to human redesigns.

Xi'An is so private we wont see or know if they have larger variety till later but being a larger empire Im sure they will.

Outside of that they really havent gone into much details about the alien races or there ships/planets/building style/etc

for 2017 Im hoping we see a lot more in terms of functions like pirating and aleins and more content being pushed as there pipeline speeds up with less conecpt sales.

But we been saying that for a a good 2 years now so.

Is it possible to gift ROMs? I'm trying to get a new player started, but they're really struggling to rack up the REC.

>>164665945
narp, gotta grind it yourself

>>164665945
Just do a few runs of Pirate Swarm.

The larger ships especially you can pretty much entirely disable (Cutlass, Constellation, Vanguard) and become point/REC Piñatas

>>164666124
That's not a bad idea. They have an Aurora LN so can't do much themselves, but if I can disable a few ships for them.

>>164665721
>Banu seem to only have niche ships for there suited roll but they function as nomads like quarian's from Mass Effect.
this makes the least amount of sense
Supposedly they're a republic-like amalgamate of multiple planet-states each with their own culture and shit. And focused on trade and thus competition, they should have a fuckton of everything.

>>164666202
LNs with some good weapons attached can do pretty decent damage.

>>164666230
there planet side affairs and culture are separate from there space travels as the only travel for profits and trade so there "fleet" is made up of nomads who buy and sell goods hence the BMM being there main vessel of choice, the way this is described since they more or less control the black market and the galactic market trade with all species outside of there there swiss army knife BMM they only use militia fighters made up of hired hands.

They function in space as nomads controlling and living off there control of the market.

This puts them in the spot to only offer niche craft for niche jobs such as VIP protection with specialized fighter etc giving them the smallest variety since they only really need the BMM to suit there needs and the BMM can defend against pirates and blockades easily as is in lore.

Dont ask me why they made one of the economical galactic powers function as nomads in space but empires on planets there lore is a mix of Jew's and Gypsies

>>164666230
>>164666714
http://homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/Bentusi

>>164667247
Never really played homeworld but defiantly fits with the Banu lore we have so far probably best example of them.

Thanks for sharing anon

>>164667418
I can't help but imagine they were at least inspired by it if not directly cribbed it. Homeworld is about as close as you can get to a classic in sci-fi games, outside of Wing Commander. It was pretty popular back in the day so I'm sure plenty of the people involved with SC have played it.

Also, for anyone who has played, you knew this was coming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3fyt322eGo

Need some help with Elite.
Let's say I have a fully A-rated corvette with some light engineering on top. Would camping a RES/hazRES/CZ be faster rep/hour than running shu babassi data delivery missions? I want to farm for a cutter.

>>164667832
So sneaky how they start the camera not looking at the planet so you can shock yourself.
Shit that's the opposite of traditional game development where sound and lighting need to be cleverly used to get players to look in the right fucking direction. I know it's a big backdrop and not something running past a doorway or whatever but it's a nice touch.

>>164656949
So when will CIG put a food stop that sells bad chicken salad at landing zones called DS-Mart?

>>164656518
>>164656949
How did you guys manage that?

>>164660158
Do we have any leaks on the Eclipse?

>>164669458
We haven't had any leaks apart from that one time Lando fucked up in 2015.

>>164669573
No concept even eh?

I love me some Aegis space boats.

>>164669058
I want Blackbird to make more games. Shipbreakers was decent and that was with a tiny budget and being rusty as fuck. Great storytelling can return.

>>164666202
>LN
Can you still not fit the missiles on those hardpoints it's supposed to have?

If you have a Warlock, you can feed your friend kills with ease.

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>>164670695
>Can you still not fit the missiles on those hardpoints it's supposed to have?
It has a S4 hardpoint.

>>164671071
Shit, have your friend lock on, AB into a target and launch <500m and it's an almost sure hit/kill. Grab the missile pickup and repeat.

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>>164669058
Myself I think it would have been better if the camera changed while Karan S'jet was saying this or even a little before.
It kind of lessen the effect when you are already told what to expect.

A little like watching a great movie and being narrated a sudden plot twist / betrayal just before it happen.

>>164669246
Not completely impossible since Chris already reused name of company he worked with/built (Origin & Anvil)
But at this point I don't think Chris want to give that guy any bit of relevance.

Just releasing the game 90% as promised, followed by a month of worldwide amazement will be hard enough for all critics and pseudo journalist who wrote "Scam Citizen" without any throughout research.

>>164671664
>relevance
I don't think adding a parody or joke gives something relevance per se, though it does acknowledge it's existence, which in some people's minds it would, I guess.

I just think it'd be an amusing little thing to have something like a crackpot conspiracy theorist trying to sell some kind of food at a little stand in Crusader, only to have it make your character sick every time you ate it.

>>164671664
>>164671905
If he includes something like that it'll be way late in development. Like, at launch or when the release date has been set and its in massive open beta (like 1-2 months till release or something when its all finalized and they are just balancing shit and looking for obscure bugs). He doesn't want to give DS anymore attention and I can't say I blame him. But once the game is coming out and thus a "success," I can see CR including a slight nod to those in the know as an FU to him.

>>164669375
This >>164657191

any of you anons have a starfarer I might test fly in PU

>>164674149
I do, but dunno how I'd get it to you, I'm not inclined to post contact info here.

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>still no buyback token

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>>164671905 >>164672178
Acknowledging DS existence is one thing, but you have to do it in a way that don't imply he was as important in the making of SC than the history of Digital Anvil or Origin have been.

To me DS isn't worth a booth, or creating a npc for him, or even becoming the name of an npc that was already created (because you know he would sue CIG if he heard about it)
But I suppose the baseless accusation and damage he caused might be worth having a npc sharing the same initial "DS".

Frankly, we are already talking too much about him. I guess we are waiting for a game.

>>164668695
Only missions effect your superpower rank.

>>164658532
uh... you don't get to bring content

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Mods when?

>skyrim-tier mod to turn NPCs in to loli wearing shimapan

>>164676773
Probably once server tools are public.

>>164663409
>I remember CIG bragging at length about how good their AI was.
their new subsumption thing isn't even implemented on live yet, that's 3.0 and beyond.

>>164669058
I agree, the Homeworld series is one of the best out there due to that kind of attention to detail. I've enjoyed every game and recommend them to anyone who like RTS games. DoK was pretty short though, I was a bit disappointed but at least it's not a dead IP.

>>164677947
Not saying it won't happen, but I've been told things are coming in the next patch for 2 years now

Remember how 2.6 was meant to have "Delta" patching so we didn't have to download the entire client every time? That was promised like 5 times on patches before 2.0

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3.0
when
ITS ABOUT TIME BOYS

>>164678245
They never said 2.6 would have delta patching stop spreading FUD

>>164676773
>wanting some poor souls to make mods on their engine.

>>164679307
November 2017 for the stream/sale

WHERE IS MY GOD DAMN BUYBACK TOKEN?

>>164679467
Yes they diiiiid!

They also said it was coming with previous patches. Never came.

Should have been in years ago, but hey ho.

When in bloody hell will the avenger titan be available to upgrade to?

>>164680328
>>164680531
When Turbulent stops being incompetent. never

>>164662909
About that "military merchantman", a thing to remember is that the bigger the ship is, the will be bigger the power alimentation and shield generator. The increment is substantial. I doubt a military merchantman would have any significant cargo space.

>>164680849
do you know what the word merchant means?

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Has CIG killed kickstarters?

>>164682261
Well, it's the biggest crowd-funded project in history, so if it turns out like shit, then that's entirely possible. All we can do is wait and hope that it turns out well.

>>164682261
kickstarters were already dead.

>>164682261
If it dies it's completely fucked at this scale yeah

>>164682261
it's one of the few that survived. the actual scams are what killed it, anyone claiming this is on the level of your average failed kickstarter is a retard

>>164683467
This.

But I think a lot of people are simply too impatient for it to be anywhere approaching commonplace.

I'm actually glad so many people pay those enormous sums of dorrars for ships so CIG get's the money they need to make the dream have a chance of becoming a reality, but it makes me feel like a shitter sitting here and only jerking off in my Avenger.

I dont want to upgrade because of the feeling of achievement, so I could rather just do a subscription, but one part of my brain tells me I want something more for the money I hand over, like a ship, but that breaks my first rule.

>>164683809
Totally with you on that, but from what they say equipment/components are going to be the real effort to obtain, so thats something

>>164683809
This game wouldn't be happening in its state without whales. With that said, jesus christ NPC crews. It'll take me and 100 of my closest Mustang Alpha and Aurora MR friends to take down one whale in a javelin.

>>164684134
>It'll take me and 100 of my closest Mustang Alpha and Aurora MR friends to take down one whale in a javelin.

..and?

None of those are cap hunting ships.

>>164684134
>100 closest friends
>Take down one whale

Nah. NPCs are braindead. They do one activity and that's it. You sneak on board successfully and that ship is basically yours with a few people. The NPCs manning their stations won't react because they won't be getting orders from the captain of the ship who will be too busy jerking off on the deck.

>>164684134
Then join me in my Avenger and grind for a few Gladiators and Retaliators and blow em to pieces.

>>164684346
>jerking off on the deck
what did you think all the custom NPCs are for?

>>164684749
According to Roberts, the NPCs only do what they're ordered to do. If the captain of the ship has no idea that you're on there, they can't order the NPCs to defend the ship.

>>164685002
I was more or less talking about NPC orgies on the bridge, but ok...

>>164682124
Take a pick-up truck. Put an anti-tank rifle in it. No more space to pick up things. "Name" isn't the thing.

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>>164684967
WEW

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>>164684967
Oh shit.

This guy an hero'd himself right before christmas right?

>>164684134
Actually NPC crews will be capped specifically to stop solo capital ships being a thing.

>>164685565
can I gedda source on that?

>>164685002
You're not going to have to explicitly tell NPCs "shoot hijackers", stop being retarded

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Background Info:
>>164443603
>>164443892

There are by count 48 ships so far released for sale at one time or another. Strawpoll only allows 30 choices per poll. So, we gotta narrow it down without excluding.

Does the following group of ships make sense? Are there any ships you would shift around? Any groups you would split (I wanna split the Utility grouping but unsure how)? Any vaguely constructive thoughts will be considered. Trolls will be ignored.

>>164686015
>Starter
Consolidated Outland Mustang
MISC Reliant
RSI Aurora
Origin 300 series

>Light Fighter
Aegis Gladius
Drake Buccaneer
MISC Razor
Origin 85X
Origin M50

>Fighter
Aegis Sabre
Anvil F7C Hornet series

>Filthy Xeno Fighter
Aopoa Khartu-al
Esperia Blade
Esperia Glaive
Esperia Scythe

>Bomber
Aegis Retaliator
Anvil Gladiator

>Hybrid Fighter
Aegis Avenger
Aegis Redeemer
Aegis Vanguard
Drake Cutlass
Esperia Prowler

>Utility
Aegis Reclaimer
Anvil Carrack
Anvil Crucible
Anvil Terrapin
Drake Caterpillar
Drake Herald
MISC Endeavor
MISC Freelancer
Origin 890 Jump
RSI Constellation

>Trucking
Banu Merchantman
MISC Hull A
MISC Hull B
MISC Hull C
MISC Hull D
MISC Hull E
MISC Starfarer

>WTF are you even doing tier
Argo MPUV
Drake Dragonfly
Kruger P-52 Merlin
Kruger P-72 Archimedes

>Dads
RSI Orion
MISC Prospector

>Capital Ship
Aegis Idris
Aegis Javelin
RSI Polaris

>>164686136
Capital ship should be a subcategory of dad

>>164686015
>>164686136

I don't even know what you're suggesting.

What are you making?

>>164686260
I could type it all again or you could read the links in my first post (>>164686015).

Humor me?

>>164686015
>Any groups you would split (I wanna split the Utility grouping but unsure how)?

Why would it matter, we're just voting for our main right?

>>164686423
Yeah I get the census part. Just not the "check this.jpg" part or why the hell you are grouping anything.

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WHATS THAT?
OH WE NEED MORE DROPSHIPS? REVIN UP 2 MORE DROPSHIPS!!!

>inb4 anvil dropship

>>164686220
Is this a serious concern? Its easy to imagine people of a decidedly pvp mindset fielding capital ships. Additionally, "Dads" is just a humorous way of saying "Mining." And I desperately didn't want to add even more to "Utility."

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The Avenger is the only valid starter ship

this is a fact

>>164686442
>>164686542
I can't put every ship that is released into one poll. There are more ships than strawpoll will allow choices. So, I have to combine some ships into one choice. That means a coherent and vaguely agreed upon system. Thus what you see here. Not pictured: The last 30 or so minutes of my life wasted.

>>164686542
Oh, and sorry. The check this.jpg was just a really old random SC pic I pulled out of my ass to slap next to my post. I realize in hindsight the unfortunate naming may have been a bit confusing.

>>164685931
He explicitly stated that you need to command NPCs. They will stick to their station and never deviate unless you tell them. It's in one of the videos from a few threads ago that one of the capital ship shitposters posted

>>164686931
>NPCs will allow someone to punch them to death for no reason at all other than because you hired them and 1000UEC is worth their life

yeah I doubt that

>>164687089
hello, troll!

>>164687318
Hello, autist.

>>164687318
How is it trolling?

For all the effort Chris is putting into "fidelity" I doubt that we'll end up with brainless automatons that don't fear pain or death.

>>164687318
Are you the guy who was insisting that fully npc-crewed capitals are fine and not a balance issue? We explained this to you over and over.

>>164686931
Repost video pls

>>164687089
>Will probably want to have some NPC crew members
>They will be running same way just like AI in SQ42
>They won't be obviously as uh you know ,as self aware as real player will be
>You will have to be more specific in tasking them like, you have to be a gunner
>They won't be thinking ahead like a real person would

https://youtu.be/FkjfyVDhzNs?t=10m48s

>>164687676
Perhaps I misunderstood, it sounded like they were braindead aside from their assigned task the first time I watched.

>>164687658
Please don't start this again.

>>164687658
>We explained this to you over and over.
No, you whined about how you don't like people with money being able to use game mechanics because reasons.

Let's just agree to disagree.

>>164686136
Why are mining ships dad tier? Mining is always a top tier money maker in MMOs and is also one of the backbones of player economics, which is mandatory for piracy to be fun.

No non-combat humans = all pirate targets are NPCs = boring Piracy.

>>164687921
If that's what you got out of it, then you're literally too retarded to understand. I'm not going to reopen this argument, just know that you are a dumbass.

>>164688048
>No non-combat humans = all pirate targets are NPCs = boring Piracy.

I got bad news anon


while 90% of the characters being NPC its going to be happen more than often that you have to snack on some NPCs as a pirate

>>164687753
>Just like AI ships or SQ42 NPCs

Yeah, none of this is "I am going to let myself get killed and sit here", idiot

>>164688048
It was an attempt at humor as mentioned previously. I've noticed that the word "dad" has become quite the buzzword of late and I was trying to inject a little levity. Is the appellation really that misplaced?

>>164688165
He said all

>>164688238
>None of this

They're still going to be absolutely worthless compared to players. Enjoy getting raped by a tiny group of pirates you scrub lord :^)

>>164689106
Never said they wouldn't be, nignog.

Was never what this "conversation" was about

>>164688094
NPC crew is not overpowered.

You're too narrow minded. You're thinking that it's unfair on you to take your Aurora against some concierge guy with a Javelin and 25 NPC crew members. You probably shitposted all over RSI about how this is a bad idea.

Would you take your Aurora against a Javelin crewed by an org of 26 players?

See, this is where you don't understand. You think that just because there are NPCs on board, it's insta-win. You also fail to understand that players will out-perform NPCs. There's literally no reason to limit NPC crew mechanics. You're just trying to argue against it because of your feelings, stemming from your envy.

A Superhornet with 2 players = Fair
A superhornet with 1 player + 1 NPC = pay2win not fair wahhhh shut it down you're an idiot i already explained why this is a terrible idea

See, your logic doesn't work when you apply it to a smaller ship.

>>164689106
If someone's trying to run around in lawless or questionable space without support in a capital ship they sort of deserve it, but on-the-ground AI won't just stand there as hostiles board, that would be retarded, but you'll probably have to ring alarms to set them to the proper state to deal with it if no one's shooting in their vicinity. As it stands, AI is still in a pretty fucking basic state, and ground AI is nonexistent in the live build.

>>164689457
>A Superhornet with 2 players = Fair
>A superhornet with 1 player + 1 NPC = pay2win not fair wahhhh shut it down you're an idiot i already explained why this is a terrible idea

um..

The SH without NPCs literally requires twice the player count.

>>164689457
>A Superhornet with 2 players = Fair
>TWO superhornets with 1 player + 1 NPC = pay2win not fair

When you suddenly only need one person to field a ship, suddenly the number of ships a group fields is a lot greater...

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>>164689457
>You're thinking that it's unfair on you to take your Aurora against some concierge guy with a Javelin and 25 NPC crew members. You probably shitposted all over RSI about how this is a bad idea.

>Would you take your Aurora against a Javelin crewed by an org of 26 players?

So a player should be able to get equal power to 26 players?
Why wouldn't everyone be doing that then? Where's the incentive to crew up together?

It'd be fucking Javelin Citizen a year after release.

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HE DID IT
EVERYONE IS TAKING THE BAIT
WE'RE GIVING HIM EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS

>>164690219
It's that or page 10

>>164689857
I see crewing smaller ships as a balancing measure so that large groups like fucking X-PLOR or TEST won't completely dominate the field. Granted, they can take advantage of those mechanics as well as anyone else, but the larger ships from Starfarer up will 100% benefit from player crewing and the emphasis will, of course, be on teaming up on those. So smaller organizations would be able to wasp larger ones down with bombers if they don't have decent support.

It's going to be a difficult balancing act, but removing the option to crew your ships with NPCs is a bad decision.

>>164690219
Do you prefer thread death? I sort of do, but fuck it. Damage already done.

>>164690219
Did you just assume xis gender?

>>164690448
>I see crewing smaller ships as a balancing measure so that large groups like fucking X-PLOR or TEST won't completely dominate the field.

The reason neither of those won't dominate is because they're total shit.

Besides which, 100 players or 1000 players, full NPC crewed ships just means.. wait for it.. MORE SHIPS

>>164690601
>Having to hire all these NPCs
>Having to pay for and maintain all these extra ships
You're overreacting, Anon

>>164659918
So it's going to be an omniship? And there are people who believe that?

>>164690807
The one thing massive orgs can do is completely offset that cost by autists doing mining.

Effectively, that makes them MORE overpowered, not less so, faggot.

Is there a place like Shu Babassi but without planetary bases?
If I have to grind data missions I want it to be as automated as possible and landing on planets takes too much effort.

>>164686136
>Reliant and 300 series
>starter
It's not a starter ship if you can't start a fresh game with it with no further real world expenditure, otherwise everything is a starter ship. The Reliant is a two-seater meant for co-op for fuck's sake, it's asinine they ever even pretended it could be a starter.

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Guys. They're here.

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/DP%20Sayre/video/25337753

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/DP%20Sayre/video/25337808

>>164691373
yeah, not following that link.

>>164691373
>A pirate anaconda attacks him while the alien ship appears

QUALITY HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>164691373
FUCKING FINALLY
CONTENT

>>164691373
part 3: http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/DP%20Sayre/video/25338081

>>164691107
I assigned them as starters because they are relatively cheap ships that ill a lot of roles and allow new players to try a bit of everything before picking a path and choosing a more specialized ship. If you have an issue with their placement, make an argument for where to move them, please.

>>164691756
At least Frontier knows how to do presentation and sound decently sometimes. I wonder how long it took them to shit out this one sequence of events?

>>164689857
That's irrelevant.

The Javelin is a Javelin, with all NPCs or all players. You'd be dumb to take it on in anything less than a fully armed raiding party, and at that point, the crew being NPCs or not is irrelevant.

It's envy of people with money to spend on Javelins and Idris and whatever else they can afford.

NPC crew is a game mechanic that will be there to use, so get used to it.

>>164690019
>So a player should be able to get equal power to 26 players?
Not in an ideal world. But Chris Roberts made this pay2win shit where you can buy ships with cash, and some are better than others.

Why don't you have a problem with the Aurora being shit compared to a Sabre? The sabre costs more and is better. Welcome to capitalism. Some people took a step further and bought a Javelin.

Yes, this game is broken. Now that people are starting to realize it the only solution is to deal with it.

Everyone in the game will have the ability to hire NPC crew. Because there are 9 for every 1 player. So instead of getting uppity about rich players having access to more resources, just get over it.

Even if everyone was forced to start with an Aurora, would anyone take on a Javelin with a small force or just a few players? No. Javelin is a huge ship for group battles. Everyone would have to get a big force, a raiding group, or join an org to even take one on. So hiring NPCs has literally zero impact on that. It's a non-issue.

>>164691025
Flying around on the planet surface breaks the tedium though.

>>164692118
I much prefer tabbing while I do my stuff and then letting auto dock take over.

>>164686718
because it costs twice as much

it was supposed to be a bounty hunting ship before they made 20 more military ships

>>164692085
>Not in an ideal world. But Chris Roberts made this pay2win shit where you can buy ships with cash, and some are better than others.

Buying ships has nothing to do with crewing them with NPCs

>Why don't you have a problem with the Aurora being shit compared to a Sabre? The sabre costs more and is better. Welcome to capitalism. Some people took a step further and bought a Javelin.

Moronic argument, considering the Aurora is literally infinitely better at its job than the Sabre is.

>>164692010
Doesn't matter where else they go, "starter" is a term with an objective definition they don't fit.

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>>164692085
>You right now

>>164692329
>Buying ships has nothing to do with crewing them with NPCs
Technically true but the point is that some guy thinks it's cheating/unfair specifically because of using NPCs in capital ships.

So, apparently it's OK to hire NPCs to be your gunner on a crap ship, but it's not OK on a Javelin, because there's more of them.

Aren't you people always the ones to tell me to kill myself and that the ONLY solution to finding crew should be to spam chat and wait for someone to invite?

>Moronic argument
>Aurora is literally infinitely better at its job than the Sabre
You're right, that's pretty stupid. But you should have said "Moronic argument:".

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>>164692085
>Because there are 9 for every 1 player.

90% NPC population has no bearing on you having a solo capital (which you won't)
Solo capitals never ever <3

>>164659994
>Never gone wrong with that concept before
But it litterally never went wrong. What are you smoking ?

>>164692639
I have no idea why you're replying to a post that old, but

Cutlass, dimwit.

>>164692632
Those are logical fallacies. Not an argument.

>>164692572
>finding crew should be to spam chat and wait for someone to invite?

Using a large multicrew ship (especially the biggest of them) will generally involve interacting with people, yes. If that's a problem for you I'm sorry you invested thousands in an MMO expecting a single player game.

>>164691373
ain't clicking that shit, nigga

>>164692840
Nah you won't need to interact with anyone in the PU since CR has already said we can crew our ships with NPCs.

>>164691620
I was really hoping the lmaos were going to fuck him up

>people thinking the AI will be anywhere good enough where you would want NPCs instead of humans

>>164692983
On one hand, I was hoping for something more than the absolutely nothing that happened. On the other hand, I heavily suspect that the reason why the aylmaos just shut you down is because Frontier hasn't actually coded in any other interaction yet.

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>>164691373
THE DAY OF THE VISION HAS ARRIVED

I KNEW I GOT 7 BILLION SOTHIS POOP BUX AND DRACONI PEPPERONIS FOR A REASON

>>164692970
Close call right?
I was worried I might have to t-talk to people.

>>164693164
>Tfw you still not going back because it would take 20 hours+ just to get my Corvette to whatever bumfuck nowhere place this is in space

Fucking Frontier

>>164692365
You are dense as fuck. Surveyanon is asking you where yu want shit placed.

>>164691373
Too little, too late

>>164693370
>it's a random 0.0002% chance at any jump
>outside the bubble only

>>164686136
>Kruger P-52 Merlin
>Kruger P-72 Archimedes
>WTF are you even doing tier
Stylin in my luxury stylish little ships thats what.
I kinda want bigger KRUGER ships though

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>>164693938

Great!

1 in every 5000th jump.

The Grinden Vision still ensues.

>>164691373
hell, it's about time

>>164694227
>maining a ship without QD

>>164694257
>hell, it's about time
For literally nothing

>>164694291
I'm maining an Avenger Titan.

Have they said anything about it getting a jump drive?

>>164694449
>I'm maining an Avenger Titan.

The categories were for a "main."

all ships other than the snubs get to mount one

>>164694617
The 85x has one

I really hope FD have some sort of community goal that gives the option of peacful negotion with the aliens.
So we can destroy the hopes and dreams of dads by fucking it up

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>>164695552
>Thinking you're ever actually going to be able to interact with them in a meaningful way

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>>164693938
>you even have to grind to experience the ayys

>>164695676
I never said it had to be meaningful. There's every possibility FD will have some sort of yes/no community battle where the side that grinds more wins.

>>164695475
Well it better have room for fucking nothing else

>>164695475
85x is barely a snub anymore, but it only has a QD drive, no jump points.

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Here's a youtube compilation of the alium videos for those who didn't want to click the xbox dvr link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbWLXIpCv8&feature=youtu.be

>>164685382
That would be a technical technically if we're being pedantic.

>>164696042
theyll do like they usually do then, if they get the answer they dont want, they will just change it.

>>164696961
>Frontier fucks up their secret alien release by having an npc spawn in the middle of it and then vanishes in the last part.

>>164698185
That's how you know it's not fake

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>>164698310

>>164698185
You SC faggots run these threads for weeks, let us have this small moment of glory.

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>>Actually NPC crews will be capped specifically to stop solo capital ships being a thing.
>can I gedda source on that?
You'll get none, he just bait those who know that Chris Robert said you'll have enough npc crew to man an Idris Solo. See pic

- npc are needed for player to teleport in without fetching them
- npc are needed so you can keep operating a capital ship even with players logging off
- that's how you'll pilot capital ship in SQ42
- no balance problem because both side have access to them and they cost in-game money
- It's a game about specialized ship, space battle and skills. orgs won't be fielding 26 players in one capital ship, they'll be fielding fleets including fighters and capital ships with npc-crew.

Everybody know it would be stupid to restrict captaincy to whales and powertripping kid, not forgetting the autist who can't deal with the idea of being killed by AI.

Yet it's still funny to seem them argues against their own fun.

>>164692840
Have you only played WoW in your life? If you need someone to hold your hand aboard you own ship, you have autistic tendency.
You'll interact with people by having a fleet of players with ship made to protect capital ship, bomb them or board them.

Maybe Star Citizen is too revolutionary for you anons if you can't even understand the concept of an optional coop-feature.

>>164698185
I thought the Alien at first was just the Anaconda.

Hol' up, hol' up, what he fuck are these people doing with a corvette out of the bubble?

Here's another one of dad meeting the aliens in an
>asp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzEtlaAUM2k

>>164699089
It's not out of the bubble, or there wouldn't be npcs.

>>164699089
It's probably one of those retards that thinks having to jump 50 times just to get to some point is a challenge.

>>164699235

Maybe the NPC used the ayy's wormhole to travel outside of the bubble. Those powerplay NPCs are really persistent.

>>164698185
Let this be a lesson to them to fix their fucking blue shell tier """AI""

>>164699208
>Asp

What about it? It's the go to ship for ED. Minimizes the time you have to spend sitting through loading screens, allows you to visit literally every station. Has sufficient cargo capacity.

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>>164699208
>I'm glad you didn't fire that rocket CMDR, you may have started something big and unknown for everyone if you had... o7

>>164700040

I actually really like that way of introducing a new alien race, hope they do something like that for meeting the ones the xi'an are fighting or a completely new one at some point in the future.

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Herald master race

>>164696961
no matter how dull or repetitive this game can be, I'll never get tired of its sound design.

>>164701567
hack the planet, dude

So what's the pros/cons of the 300i/325a vs the Avenger?

I'm looking at buying one or the other but I can't really decide

>>164699015
>sq42 ep1: the retribution is under construction
didn't it figure majorly into the leaked plot? was that all a ruse?

>>164702658
S42 has three episodes.

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Can current tech even handle capital ships? It's been stated that spawning one Idris causes the Crusader server to struggle.
The Bengal is 420% bigger than the Idris, and the Retribution is some amount bigger than that.

>>164702719
The Retribution is probably going to be an NPC only ship

>>164702862
Alright, so it'll just be a big hull without interior work? Gives me hope that CIG isn't just bullshitting.

>>164702449
Wildcard vs. what should be the starter ship.

300 series is getting a rework, so roll the dice.

Avenger is just good enough to make you want a better ship.

They are both potentially good, but for right now Avenger gets the nod.

>>164702658
SQ42 plot leaked? Was it any good?

>>164702658
>>164703026
>>>>leaked
http://www.blastr.com/2015-3-18/creator-chris-roberts-talks-star-citizen-ambitious-space-sim-steroids

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>elite right now

can't even spawn a ship in the PU anymore

welp guess I'll play ED

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>Star Citizen designed by Chris Foss

Would you?

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>>164703289

>even worse design than SC, which is already a dumpster fire

>>164703283
>>>play ED

I'm having a lot of fun in Elite Dangerous. I'm in a solidly mid tier ship now with a flight stick, but the grind is getting a little draining. There's quite a leap from mid tier to top tier. How's Star Citizen? It seems more immersive and it would be nice if I could just buy a decent ship off the bat instead of doing milk runs for money.

>>164703538
>How's Star Citizen?
Nobody knows
Check back in a year

>>164703538

ED is released and will never actually do what it set out to down
SC won't release for another 3-4 years and is subject to CR's fickle whims

pick your poison

>>164703504
more like pretend I'm really in a spaceship with my vive

but I'm too lazy to start it up

>>164703538
>but the grind is getting a little draining. There's quite a leap from mid tier to top tier. How's Star Citizen?

you can pay 2 not grind. Hope you have a good job

>>164703814
pay 2 grand 2 not grind

>>164702719
reminder that 3.0 means rendering entire planets

>>164703538
Why do you grind for a better ship? There is nothing to do before or after you get it anyway except for morw money grind which doesnt actually serve any purpose.

>>164704336
It's been done multiple times before.

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>350r rec is over 12k

I just want to do a Swordfish II build and test it out baka

>>164703538
ED
>exists as a game right now
>it's boring, grindy, the game world is non-interactive, there's basically 0 multiplayer/MMO features

SC
>exists as a shitty alpha right now
>promises to be everything elite dangerous wishes it could be

Do you want to play a shitty game now or a game that could potentially not be shit later?

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>>164704417
The Bucc is your ship, not the 350r.

Just started elite this week. Sitting on 1.5 mil in cobra from bounty hunting in RES. Should I buy a type 6 and start hauling tons of cargo between 2 stations next? Is there a faster way to grind money?

so is this DP Sayre guy a /vg/fag or were those videos taken from a random person somewhere else

because i was going to send him my favorite 4chan memes if he's from here

>>164704710
17 Draconis exploit.
Google it, do it now, drop the game forever.

>>164704568
>POTENTIALLY not be shit
You're asking a lot of CIG

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>>164703114
Literally

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>>164703538
>How's Star Citizen?
well it has space legs

>>164704686
not even remotely close

it's either the 350r or m50 and the 350r has more similar hardpoints

>>164704880
Kind of want to avoid exploits and draconis. Don't want to get bored of the game next week cos I'm rolling in billions.

how will you spend the day playing SQ42 when it comes out?

>>164705176
The game is the same no matter which ship you fly.
At least with billions you will fly the ships you want.
There's nothing to the grind, those who play it do it out of sunken cost fallacy. I know I do. Get out now.

>>164705176
If you haven't gotten bored of what's offered right now, any exploit that will get you tons of money won't bore you.

>>164705134
Origin doesn't make a ship with a size 4 fuck you gun.

The Bucc is the size of a M50 with a huge gun underneath, plus it's all engines otherwise.

M50 is a flimsy toy for the track and hangar. 350r is way, way too big.

>>164705176
>meme your way to billions
>RNGneer grind
>gank dads

the only way to have "fun" in ED

>>164703289
his designs are great, but I think they would only work with some kind of cel shading. the tone of the game would have to match too, chris just wants rome in space.

>>164704686
What is the Buccaneer's conceptual niche even intended to be? It's a cool ship but just seems really similar to the Hornet to me.

>>164704417
12K rec doesn't take any time at all to farm.

>>164706042
It's half the size of a Hornet with same basic loadout. A true interceptor, enough punch to do damage, small and light enough to escape.

Staying for a fight will probably get you killed, but it should be the tip of the spear for piracy.

>>164706042
>conceptual niche
literally 'we fucked up the cutlass original plan in implementation so irreparably we're trying again from scratch'

>>164706469
Fine with me, my Cutlass gets upsized to a versatile heavy gunship/freighter/dropship when I only paid for a fighter

>>164706469
It's nothing like what the cutlass was ever said to be though, other than a pirate ship that is capable of combat.

>>164705286
Playing SQ42

Do SC guns have a convergence point?

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So I shot a thargoid. Guess what happened? I'll give you a hint, it starts with n and ends with othing.

Bravo FD, bravo.

>>164707413
Hue. Where were you when you got interdicted?

>>164707413
So you want the Thargoid to turn around and grind your ass into space dust?

Considering what players are encountering are the Thargoid equivalent of a scout, of course they probably wouldn't engage.

>>164707413
Did you notice your lasers? They were forking like lightning and not doing anything to its shields.

>>164707413
You should have recorded it. But fuck if this is true I called it.

>>164707528
jumping randomly around in aries dark region with a UA in my cargo hold, it's just random whether or not they interdict you

>>164707603
I suppose you're right, I should know better than to expect FD to implement any interactive gameplay features

>>164707678
I was using frags, it just kinda did nothing

>>164707737
I had my recording going for like an hour, I was about to give up so I turned it off started heading back, naturally that's when I got interdicted

>>164707678
>muh invincible ayylmaos
only cucks write sci fi where humans can't blast the fuck out of everything

>>164708405
>take 13.8 billion years to get into space
>want to "blast the fuck out of everything"
lmao humans

>>164708405
>Wanting Star Trek/Star Wars aliens where they all have two legs and use the same tech as humans

SC babbies are pure cancer.

>>164709009
that's gay too. I'm talking starship troopers, why wouldn't you want to shoot xenos in the face?

>>164709084
>Forgets bug ass plasma rekt humans ships in one shot

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>>164708405
>humans...blast the fuck out of everything
Fuck yeah, Avatar up in this bitch.

>>164708815
You will be purged with the rest of the xenos.

>>164709084
Always shoot xenos on sight.

>>164709185
That's why you shoot xenos on sight.

>>164709185
it wouldn't be fun without a challenge, compstomps are pretty boring.

>>164708405
Deus vult brother.

>>164709324
>Avatar
kek, literally killing indians with spears
try going against a species that's invented space travel 200 million years ago

Why aren't there any scifi settings with intelligent alien races wherein humans are the most advanced ones? It's always some fucking ayylmao or wiseman race, bunch of losers.

God damn the Mustang Alpha sucks some hard dick.

>>164709598
Yes, yes it does. I'm in the same cock scuking boat.

>>164709548
Because we would wipe out the low tech alien race. Its in the lore of Elite, its happened a few times.

>>164709548
Mass Effect

>>164709651
Bullshit, mankind is the ONLY ONE successfully getting all its subgroups working together without assimilation. We'd be the fucking unifiers getting bug people to shake hands for the first time.

>>164709536
They better bring more than spears.

What in the FUCK ARE THESE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbWLXIpCv8

>>164709847
Frankly I don't know how races like vulkans/romulans and green ur-quan/black ur-quan can keep up their millennia-lasting blood feuds. It can't be THAT fucking hard.

>>164710151
setpieces.

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>>164709598
>>164709635
Don't spend any more money on this game.

If you did anyway, you could put $5 with what you got and have a troll boat once you put some rental missiles on it.

Don't spend any more money on this game. I'm serious, it doesn't stop.

Seriously though, only $5.

>>164710151
nothing, essentially

>>164710417
Nope. $20 is enough for me. Not a penny more until beta.

>>164710617
Fair enough, it's still a cheap rental for AC though.

>>164710151
I wish CIG put these things in Star Citizen. Instead of just designing a handful of races and showing everyone, I want them to periodically add more species to the universe with new systems, and ships, etc.

But the problem is they are so anal about their "fidelity" that it would take far too long and is impractical.

Also I can't be the only one who wants playable aliens.

Consider the following;
>they will have recorded all the mocap data for aliens
>they have the alien audio and can record anything else they need in the future
>they have alien languages
>they have enough alien ships

I guess I'm being too optimistic.

>>164710693
aliens feel way less alien when people play them, I don't care for it. plus it attracts deviants.

Lead pip or lag pip?

>>164710693
I keep telling them, a playable furry enemy faction like Kilrathi knockoffs would solve the furry problem forever, for everyone. Furries get to play as anthro animals, everyone else is actually allowed to shoot them on sight, it's nothing but wins across the board.

>>164710793
Pick one and stick with it. No advantage to either, it's just a preference.

>>164708815
>spent all our time harnessing technology for it's pure destructive power
>all our greatest innovations come from conflict
>took so long to get into space because it had to wait until our war tactics became significantly advanced to require it
>rode into the stars on a wave of controlled explosions and just kind of assume that's the only way to do it
>implying humans aren't a warrior race, when we invented the stereotype but always base them on our own cultures in fiction

>>164710151
some form of marketing for frontier's upcoming DLC?
>now there's aliens, but only if you spend $60.
>also they don't do anything to the universe so dads don't leave

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wewewewewew

what an interesting chap

>>164710793
Lead pip feels more intuitive to me.

>>164710417
>did the free swap when aurora and mustang were equivalent
>discovered it's a roll of toilet paper in both armor and offensive capability
>in that time CIG ""up""graded it to a $30 ship
>have to pay $5 to swap back to the next equivalent poorora

>>164711129
This.

We're the fucking space orcs.

>>164711129
The same happened on another planet except 10k years earlier so your competition has been in space for longer than homo sapiens could write
gg no re

>>164710793
I'm using lag because I can see where my shots will land on the target. Dunno how well you can do that with lead.

>>164710793
the one that has me focusing on the enemy ship and not the same green circle in space no matter what I'm fighting

Do you really need more than 8gb ram to run 2.6 alpha decently?

>>164711129
turns out we were the bad guys all along

I'm so bored i'm considering buying an alpha.

Please tell me what it is I can actually do in the alpha for SC.

>>164712546
don't even think about it pal

>>164712546
A few get out and press the button missions, one look around for the buttons mission, one camp and shoot people mission, emergent trolling and shooting other people when the previous gets boring, 2 PvE wave modes, arcade space combat mode, fps mode, and a fish tank if you spend enough.

>>164712968
>>164713027
Thanks, looks like i'm going to continue waiting.

>>164713584
3.0 is the release to watch.

>>164713780
It adds more to the PU,right? Like another system, "classes" (trading, bounty hunting, etc)and other Qol stuff right?

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>>164712546
get the aurora m8, alpha sucks
you can bounty hunt criminal players and do sandbox shit, or do team and free for all dogfights and fps matches, and racing.

>>164714157
I hope that get more color thats to dam white

>>164714157
that's a big medbay

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>>164714264

>>164714204
planetary landings, cargo, and the first pass at professions like bounty hunting, piracy, and trading

probably more important than any of that, the netcode rework is coming with 3.0, so hopefully performance will be acceptable

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>>164714230
oh apparently I have two worst ship.webms, meant to post this

>>164714204
Procedural planets will be neat.
Also netcode won't be fucking awful, hopefully. Crusader is barely playable on the best rigs due to shoddy netcode.

>>164714204
Planetary landings, cargo, trade, piracy, and Stanton will be much larger (I think).

We also might be able to purchase ship equipment, if not ships with aUEC

>>164714427
I though he meant buying an alpha game, not a mustang alpha.

>>164714157
>idris medbay
where does this even fit? seems like a lot of unaccounted real estate

>>164710793
Lag pip will make it quicker to gauge where off-centre hits will land, whereas lead pip will only tell you where to fire to hit the middle and you have to estimate a bit. It's going to be important when taking out specific components of ships.

>>164714545
he probably did, oh well