/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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>>164603008
m8, its alcohol, it doesnt exactly weaken them
it makes them stronger and braver, but they cant land a hit

Hmm, scratch that, its a fucking zombie-type death touch
I though these bastards were dying to an OD, but any of them who receives an injection dies inevitably at aprox 2000 phases

>>164603458
kinda unoriginal OP

>>164603663
>dwarven alcohol is strong
>strong enough to kill armies
Looks like bees are finally useful

How do I make a dwarf complete a hole going straight down? Whenever I try to make a dwarf channel straight down he quits after like 3 or 4 z level and climbs up.

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>>164603871
I think its a bit too much anon
I mean, I know that now that I had the idea, people are gonna use it, but its too much for the world
Now I know how einstein felt about the atomic bomb


On a completely unrelated note
A stream of water pushed me to a pool of lava. Tried to drop water on top of mke but didnt work, so I run of to the river
As I jumped to the river, I died mid-air.
This has probably been the weirdest death I have ever gotten
Makes me wish a drawfag would draw it, actually

>>164604705
apparently, you should inject them alcohol, then they should be stupid enough to dig their own grave

I dont actually know, its pretty weird, does it happen often?

>>164604705
You can't. Dwarfs will eventually get hungry, thirsty, or tired. At which point they'll abandon their task and search for food/drinks/beds.

>>164604705
Maybe build a locked hatch over him as soon as he's dug one tile down? Or maybe just a put a locked door between him and everything interesting.

>>164604705
The climbing mechanics make them do it to avoid danger. It has nothing to do with having other things to do.

>>164605796
They do it to get out of holes with no other way to get out. My miners do it all the fucking time when I try to dig wells and it's annoying as fuck since there's no way to ever get them back in that hole and no way to finish it from below.
I wish climbing was never added. It adds absolutely nothing to the game except frustration.

>>164606047
You should learn to adapt to the changing circumstances. Climbing is good because it makes it harder for players to hide from enemies (you can still just seal yourself off with drawbridges, but who the fuck does that).

Just dig a staircase, and then make the channel nex to it.

>>164606337
>(you can still just seal yourself off with drawbridges, but who the fuck does that).
heh

>>164606047
Dwarves are annoying pieces of shit and you have to deal with it.

>enable soundpack for shits and giggles
>load up a random 2 year old fort
>"Orik Cuntson has gone insane" in the middle of a packed tavern
>bombarded with ~100 sounds of punches and kicks as he is beaten to death in the middle of the dancefloor
>the bard throws out his corpse
who tf thought this was a good idea?

>>164607918
Me

>>164604718
>I have become alcohol, the destroyer of worlds

But really, what are the stats of this race?

>>164606337
>Climbing is good because it makes it harder for players to hide from enemies
Not at all. It just means you have to actually put "effort" into building your wall instead of laying some trees on their side.
Rock block walls are almost impossible to climb, and all it takes is the slightest overhang to make your walls impenetrable again. Make your walls 3-4z levels high and enemies won't even try to climb them, even if they could.
Climbing adds nothing positive to the game.

Meanwhile, climbing has made it impossible to
>dig a hole straight down
>have any trees on the map without getting your dwarves air-stranded the second they see a buzzard
>cut down trees without getting your woodcutter and the only axe air-stranded because a kea existed somewhere nearby
>have multi-Z level rooms without getting dwarves air-stranded whenever they get in a brawl
>have surface structures without getting dwarves air-stranded when a kobold shows up

Nothing ever climbs anyway, except for your dwarves, and they never do it when it would actually be beneficial. They exclusively do it to get themselves stuck somewhere and starve to death unless you happen to get lucky and notice them before they die.
The worst part is that climbing isn't even completed. The AI only knows how to climb up or release hold. Climbing sideways or downwards is impossible, which is why the feature is so retarded and useless.

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>>164607918
>Orik
>the bard throws out his corpse

>>164608429
I've had many dwarves save themselves after falling into water thanks to climbing.

Also, even from what you wrote, it's clear that building outdoor fortifications is more challenging now.

>>164607918
>bombarded with ~100 sounds of punches and kicks as he is beaten to death in the middle of the dancefloor
Tell your bard to stop playing this song so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsISfQAXE60

>>164608685
It's really not though. All it takes is a 1z level wall with floors built along the outside edge. Sure it a little more than doubles the material cost, but walls were already cheap as fuck anyway since 1 boulder=4 blocks. Just add a second mason and you'll have it done by spring Y2 easily, well before anything could possibly threaten you. Or at least anything that wall would help against.

Besides, what kind of loser only built 1z level high walls anyway? It makes your fort look like some shoddy village, not a dwarven fortress.

>>164607918
>2 year old fort
>Tavern

yeah no

>>164610026
Well, you could give him the benefit of doubt and assume he meant in-game years, but even then, >>164608494
still applies.

>>164609196
>Besides, what kind of loser only built 1z level high walls anyway? It makes your fort look like some shoddy village, not a dwarven fortress.
heh

>>164608273
>Dastot McOppenheimer
>'We're all Urists now.'

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>>164609196
>Besides, what kind of loser only built 1z level high walls anyway?

>>164609196
>Having any part of your fortress outside
>Needing a wall

You might as well be being a well defended shanty town regardless, anon.

>>164611772
>Wasting time hauling wood into your fortress
>Letting your military get cave adaption so they get nauseous and get killed when they have to fight on the surface
>Not having huge ass walls and shitloads of statues to show off how fucking cool your fort is
>Not building walls so that the moment thieves, werebeasts and snatchers get spotted, its because they turned the corner and walked directly into your barracks, getting them instantly murdered
>Allowing elves entry into your fortress proper

>>164610026
it was ingame

>>164612498
>Needing wood at all (elf???)
>Not embracing cave adaption because your military should never be outside anyway
>Letting ANY of your dwarves out ever past the first couple of weeks because that would mean you even have an entrance to your fortress which would be retarded
>Not making your fortress self sustainable and incredibly grandiose on the inside away from prying eyes
>Not fighting incredible battles underground and letting your dwarves enjoy the honour that comes from slaughtering waves of beasts and demons without needing outside recognition of their deeds

Armok is disgusted

>>164608273
well, they are basically dwarves without the beards, size 100000 instead of 60000, a liver 500 instead of 200
they cause inebriation by a scratch atack, through the nails, and thats the atack they use the most

There's a lot more stuff Im thinking of adding to them, like producing alcohol to drink, each one with different effects
Castes, etc. this is only the beggining

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>>164372061
>>164372123
>>164372241
>>164372415
Thanks guys!

>>164560864
Weasel men.
I just like the idea of massive groups of outcast races hanging out together in areas. It also makes it more fun to draw when you have a nearly infinite amount of faces and bodies to draw.

>>164372390
Here you go

>>164582918
Amazing! thankyou!
if you ever want anything just ask!

>>164612739
>Needing wood at all
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Bed

>>164613390
>http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Bed

>NOT SLEEPING ON STONE SLABS FOR SUPERIOR POSTURE

>>164613527
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Ash

>>164613625
>http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Ash

>Not procuring all the ash you'll need from forgotten beasts, regardless of whether that's mechanically possible withing the confines of the game

>>164613782

within* even

>>164613782
now you're just being ridiculous

>>164614380
>N-now

>>164614457
>f-fake internet s-stutter

>>164614994
Please. It's almost 2am and I'm just trying to meme with my /dfg/ bros.

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>>164613318
Excellent pic Drew, thanks a mil.

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>mod in bishops and high priests and shit
>give them political roles
>give them squads
>finally get a fucking mission to wage war from an elder priest as a holy knight

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>>164618274
Sadly it's mostly just murdering civvy gobs, though I did find a couple soldiers in the beak dog pit and one that I kicked managed to fall right through the cavern into the magma sea, so, ha ha, fuck that guy a bit more than usual!

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>>164618525
Half a year to go.

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>>164617405
Thanks!


(these last few images: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KODZtjOIPg)

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>>164622454
Thanks again yourself for the pic of my murderloli (this is her: >>164618274 >>164618525) and mom!

New blog post
>I'm having fun chasing down issues with agent identities and rumors and so forth. A lot of the conversation/reputation code wasn't able to cope with the change, and we've needed to differentiate more between visual identification or whether an incident just involves the real and fake historical identities of people in the abstract, especially when you ask a person their opinion about somebody but only know an alias (which you don't know is an alias). People now think more carefully about where their information came from when they decide what they think of people, and do some cross-referencing of known identities and so forth, but they also have to skip certain rumors in their heads that pertain to a person where they can't make the connection (because they don't know a given alias or true identity). So if you ask after a goblin agent using their true name or an identity used in a previous town, people in the current town the agent is infiltrating will properly say that they don't know who you are talking about, even if they have a lot of information about the agent under their current alias -- or they might have an opinion about the old identity if they heard a rumor about it. Where the game previously formed a single set of reputations for one historical figure, people can now give different answers for the true historical figure and each identity, as well as what they think on sight (which may or may not involve any names -- they keep track of which identities they associate with the physical appearance)... (cont.)

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>>164623279
>...We're also trying to keep more identity information intact as rumors fade out over time, to stop covers from being blown by the passage of time, and we also want a bit more realism in terms of linking witnesses that know the physical appearance to somebody else in town that got to know a name/alias of the people and their appearance, but didn't see the incident. For example, if the player robs somebody without saying their name, a problem with the new system was that only the people that witnessed the event thought ill of the player even after a few days, since other townspeople could no longer make the link between the player and the event. However, if the player talks to enough people in a small enough town either before or after the robbery, then whatever name/alias they used should become linked to the incident after a bit of time (the normal rumor spread time). It's difficult to get it right, and it's not going to be quite up to the level where it'll need to be for the justice/crime features later on, but we're trying to keep everything pointed in the right direction. (end)

>>164623279
>>164623454

So after this is he going to work on kobolds or is there anything else left to do in the "Artifact quests and agents" section?

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Forgive me if this is a common question, but what new feature would you like to see in Dwarf Fortress (be it planned by Toady or not)?
Personally I'd like to see light mechanics such as lighting torches in your tavern if you want humans to feel comfortable, and putting them out when it's time for the humans to die.

>>164626131
Proper energy balance with food/sunlight/soil nutrients and body metabolism and waste excretion and sewage management.

>>164626314
>>164626131
please fuck no

>>164626131

"
In D&D, mindless undead are capable of following simple tasks such as "Attack anyone who enters this room." or "Stay here until this alarm sounds, then attack the nearest village.".

Most of the commands they're capable of can be broken down into simple logical statements like 'If X, then Y.', such as the attacking one being "If something enters this room, attack them.".

Do you think that with enough undead, with the right commands, you could effectively create a computer?"

-Anon

I want this.

>>164626360
Being able to grow infinite plump helms in a small patch of mud just seems a bit too gamey. And non-grazer farm animals being able to just multiply without limit as well.
Right now it's really unrealistic.

>>164626131

This >>164626314

I want shit and sewers in the game so i can drown Elves in Dwarf shit

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>>164626456
We do this with water (tiles of 6/7 fluctuating), minecarts, ordered lever pulling, pressure plates, and so forth.

>>164625728
He'll need to get the stuff so you can actually order units to head out into the world and be informed of their progress/lack thereof, a lot of that is actually tied into the agents identities stuff though, just a matter of having it transfer into a form you can see in fort mode.

>>164626587
This. Imagine the sewage draining into a spike pit that would make the spikes really filthy and then goblins falling in would get really bad infections and die.

>>164626660
>We do this with water (tiles of 6/7 fluctuating), minecarts, ordered lever pulling, pressure plates, and so forth.

Well yes but I want to do it with skeletons.

>Start up old fart
>it stinks real bad

>>164626360
Don't worry, I'm not the one making the game.
>>164626314
I very much look forward to [d]esignated shitting streets. Or maybe I'd make a poopoo resevoir in case of particular nobles.
>>164626456
There are already switch repeaters based on creature pathing though repeaters alone do not a computer make.

>>164626131
>Choose physical traits for your character in a manner similar to the ethics system.

>Races can have different cultures.

>The ability to play a peasant farmer, barkeeper, or other noncombat role.

>Romance options

>Ability to join an army and go around doin' shit.

>Animal people get their own independent tribe-countries, have the potential to expand and play with the big boys (Aka default civs.)

>Make Bronze Colossi more in-depth. The idea of living statues that wander the earth and hate everything in it seems so fascinating to me. What do they do, where did they come from, could more appear, ect.

>In-game interface that lets you easily design your own custom race.

>>164626456
You've probably seen this, but just in case...
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Computing

>>164627369
>ctrl+f skeletons
>0 results

This is a good page for making computers but not skeleton computers. I still need to wait for that.

>>164626131
Poultry that needs to be fed.
Blighted crops.
Harsh, unpredictable winters and malaria ridden summers.
More poverty basically.

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>Start of the second year
>huge migrant wave
>Throw three soliders with no skill in hammerdwarfing but skills in other shit onto my roster with hammers
>Militia commander is my starting dwarf that I always equip with a hammer and the best shield I can buy from the caravan first year
>A werelizard child appears at the fortress
>Send the four after it
>Fucking shits all over them
>other dwarves come running up from the fortress including one alpaca and start wailing on it
>seven dwarves die
>Two milita dwarves die, one being the starting hammerdwarf
>About 20 dwarves and an alpaca were all bitten
>the werelizard turns back and runs for it as a human child
>unscathed

>>164626715
>the attack hits the goblin bowman's left leg, piercing the muscle!
>the xXwooden upright spikeXx is firmly lodged in the wound!
>a floodgate has been opened.

>>164626131
A combat rebalance, specifically aimed at wrestling and biting. Currently, things go like this
>The frail elf child bites the muscular giant in the left lower leg!
>The frail elf child shakes the muscular giant by the left lower leg, bruising the skin!
>A tendon in the lower leg has been torn and many nerves have been severed!
>The muscular giant falls over.(And is never able to use his left leg ever again)
This is fucking stupid. A successful bite turns into a save or die scenario. You're either able to break their grip and make their attack totally useless since biting sucks, or that limb is permanently destroyed since shaking is overpowered as fuck. No middle ground.
It's even worse with joint damage since now you get your spine snapped in half because an alligator bit your thumb toe.
Yeah, shaking something after biting it is how pretty much every large carnivore kills their prey in real life, and it's a death sentence if a wolf does it to a rabbit, and your arm is fucking gone if an alligator chomps down on it and starts rolling. But humans are not alligators. When you crush somebody's upper spine into bone meal, they can't leap up and bite your shoulder and then rip your fucking arm off. Especially not when that somebody is half your size and biting through steel plate.
Meanwhile in Dwarf Fortress, paralyzing a disarmed target actually makes them more dangerous since it makes them start biting, and everyone gets to be an alligator in Dwarf Fortress.


Also, somewhat related, but I'd very much like for there to be magical options to heal tendons, nerves, lost limbs and other injuries that cannot naturally heal. I don't know if healing magic is in the magic update, but I'm really hoping so.

>>164629264
Werebeasts are bullshit.
Always use Legends Viewer to make sure your embark doesn't have any werebeast lairs too close by.

>>164630889

Is there any way to lift the curse yet?
Is my only option to Cask of Amontillado these werefugs?

>>164631279
>Is there any way to lift the curse yet
Oh yes plenty. My personal favorite is to tell them to take a stroll through the garbage dump, and then designate some cinnabar boulders for dumping.
You could also try having them check the bottom of your well for cave crocodiles.
Or you could tell them to fist fight some cave crocodiles.

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What is used to make these kind of stuff?

>>164631279
Kind of. They can break doors, but having two or three in sequence will be more than they can destroy before changing back, from my experience. Since you have so many, you might want to consider starting a seperate mini-fortress of nothing but werebeast dwarves. I think they won't attack each other, though I'm not sure.

Ignore this:
>>164454558
I'm testing is crossthread yous work.

>>164631795
Extreme skill, and probably a good art program designed with pixel art in mind.

>>164627114
Bronze colossi would be cool as a demon/deity built thing. Perhaps if a civilization profanes/offends a demon/god they can make a bronze colossus to torment them.

>>164632084
Did it work?

>>164631795
Is this the original? Why's it so blurry?

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>64 bit dwarf fortress has been released
nice I'll check back in a few weeks when DFHack and Dwarf Therapist are updated
>6 months later

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>>164637651
>therapist works for 32bit but you have to jump through hoops

All I want in life is to impregnate an elf.

What does elf meat taste like?

>>164638114
>Downloading one extra file and putting in a folder
>Jumping through hoops

>>164639189
ELFED

>>164639905
wood

>>164630889
idk i think werebeasts are fun

>>164630889
bullshit.

first, distance to their lairs has nothing to do with the risks of having attacks. their attacks are fully randum, unlike the sieges.

second, if you've played the game for more than three months, you should have a strategy for dealing with them while minimising the risks.

>>164640838
Their attacks are NOT random.
If you embark close enough to a werebeast lair, they can randomly wander on to your map at any time, just like any and all creatures that make lairs and wander around. Night trolls are the sole exception to this rule, presumably because they follow different lair rules than everything else.

Spring year 2 is not soon enough to meet the requirements for a randomly generated werebeast attack. If they're attacking that soon, it's because you embarked too close to one.

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>>164642346
Always remember: you could have been forced to deal with night trolls and bogeymen in fort mode, werebeasts by comparison are fun!

Also, the uh, settings that I was screwing with to try and get all sorts of crazy shit happening with inter-site conflicts seemed to be more effective than hitting a starter plant pokemon with a fucking nuke.

Noticed several wars going on with one of the fortress making "deep" dwarf civs that ended up pulling in the city making "hill" dwarf citizens at times so I checked the embark screen and scrolled up towards the top of the map there, I didn't actually intend for this and only have barely functional fort mode nobles at the moment since they're very hard to make work right with custom positions.

That river intersection there, and another one with the same 2x War+3x Towers, are 2x2 with three 0 flatness tiles and one maximum cliff tile, with more options for larger ones. May have to check around in that one after I get my murderloli run done.

>>164643135
You can always just embark on top of a night troll lair if you want some in fort mode.
Of course all you have to do is lock their door on them and they can't escape, since they're only T1 building destroyers.

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>fisherman hates mussels
>only type of fish he can catch is mussels

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>>164644430
>so he's trying to eradicate them

>>164646080
does unnumbered mean a lot?

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>>164646195
I think it effectively means infinite.

>>164635008
It's not blurry at all. It's pixel art, a digital mosaic.

>>164633894
No.

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Is this a good symbol?

>>164647616
No, a massacre involves many victims, not just one.

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>>164648175
Good point

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>>164648487
Perfect

>>164648487
>wasting all those potential cocksleeves and cocksleeves (male)

I thought dorfs were supposed to be pragmatic.

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>>164648789
They are.

>mucking about with dfhack lua scripting
>manage to remove syndromes from adventurer (fuck petrifiers)
>fast travel
>syndromes reapplied
What the fuck?

>>164642346
>Spring year 2 is not soon enough to meet the requirements for a randomly generated werebeast attack.
but it is.

by then, you should have had plenty of time to dig a hole in the ground, where you can burrow your dwarves.

you should also have had plenty of time to train a militia squad with decent weapon and shield skills. no legendaries, perhaps, but still strong enough to take on a werebeast.

>>164652469
That has nothing to do with the requirements for a werebeast attack.
You don't just magically start getting megabeast attacks because you made a military.

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Can a geologybro tell me how shit my all-dacite mountain tavern would look?

>>164652590
no, you don't. werebeasts can attack at any time.

that's why you prepare properly before it happens, which isn't that hard to do.

>>164652631
made me wonder: will df ever track the chemical components of materials, and use them to determine other things like melting points?

it would be pretty cool. it would also be a stepping stone towards having dorfs become poisoned when their retarded players use poisonous minerals because they "look good".

>>164652659
>werebeasts can attack at any time
After their population and wealth requirements have been met, or if you embark too close to a lair and they stumble across your fortress prematurely(which also happens with semi-mega and megabeasts).

>>164652815
Might not be for years but I imagine Toady will get around to it at some point.

>>164652945
The wiki doesn't say anything about requirements for werebeasts, so it is to be assumed that they can appear at any time.

But like I said, this isn't a problem. It's just an incentive to get your militia up and running early on.

How come there's still no dfhack and therapist?

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>>164653702
>How come there's still no dfhack and therapist?
How come anon's never learn that the 64 bit version is more challenging for the dfhack crew to work with?

Just use the alpha if you need dfhack that badly (although I wouldn't recommend it until it becomes more stable). Therapist can go sick a duck.

>>164653702
64bit release came with a compiler change (and the 64bit change itself), making updating more complicated and tedious.

>>164654045
Though Toady said he'd put a symbols export next time, yay.

>>164652815
That seems a very stupid increase of resolution of the game model without anything of benefit

>>164654853
it will be useful when alchemy gets implemented.

certain receipts will require certain elements, which you can get need by gathering and processing certain minerals or plants.

>>164655053
There are ways to do that without modeling chemistry, electron orbits and crystalline structures.

>>164655226
But by modeling them, we become able to generalise a lot of processes in the game, which is exactly what Toady wants to do.

It means less preadded bloat and more original content that is generated according to a set of rules.

>>164655626
You should read about simulations and models before spouting bullshit on the internet.

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>>164656232
Why don't you enlighten me instead?

There's nothing that brings dead threads back to life as a good ol' shitflinging.

>>164656337
Why don't you read your own sentences again.
>I think toady should stop developing the game for some 10 years, enroll into college again and study physical chemistry
>then I want him to create a physical model of our microscopic reality in a already overly complicated, badly coded and a mess of a game
>just so we can have a tiny bit of gameplay suiting my 12 y.o fetishes

Do you think that in predator-prey models (or any other, unless expressly stated it should be an autistic model) I or anyone ever delved into the deep psychology of predators, how the sunlight glare can affect their hunting skills or how much blood their hearts pump while running? Of course not, you get the same results using a shorter statistical path of how much area a hypothetical individual can cover per amount of simulation time or steps and what is the chance of catching a prey. Do you think anyone on earth ever cares for how digestive acids behave when doing that? Nope, you just set a ratio for energy and mass exchange.

>>164652815
>implying dwarves get poisoned by minerals like humans

>>164656747
>fetishes
>digestive acids
I mentioned nothing of the sort. Calm down, you're being paranoid.

What I suggested was mostly for minerals.

>>164657871
>>164657871

Im not the other guy but there is a lot man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minerals

Other guy is kind of a cunt tbqh senpai

>>164623279
>>164623454
bretty good that he is depuring this new system enough

>>164657871
Honestly your suggestion sounds reasonable. The other anon sort of took it to absurdity for some reason.
Like you could put some basic chemical properties for each mineral so they could have emergent things happen. Like solubility in water, oxidizability, things like that.

>>164659630
>CONDUCTIVITY

>>164626131
Im glad to tell you that light, lightnings and ilumination in general are planned features confirmed by Toady

As for me, there are just too many things
Some months ago I started taking a deeper interest in the game and the way it can evolve, and I started making my own suggestion files, or just noting every idea that I deemed interesting enough and DF-like enough (you know, not steampunk stuff, only DF-like stuff)
Since then I have cropped 288 pics by myself, and written about 88 suggestions (in the first file I checked)

I guess what I cant really say what I want more, but a good example would be

>85-again, talking about interaction with the world, I liked the idea that you could sit on a chair/bench, or at a bridge's lateral part (some drawfag) and just let time pass naturally. Not only its relaxing and lets you see how things work, but would be helpful or even mandatory in situations that require waiting or observing something. Letting big ammounts of time be passes by smashing '.' is dumb as fuck
>The sitting thing is needed, as other stuff could be, so you weren't standing alone in the street for hours waiting for something to happen, somebody would notice it

>>164628340
>Mr urist, on the phone
>Merc with sunglasses
>All in the middle ages
I love you Drew, I really do

>>164647616
>>164648175
>>164648487
>>164648730
/dfg/

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>>164652815
>>164653080
>>164654853
>>164655053
Rubik asked him that in the previous fof
Apparently the game will have chemical properties
I dunno why some of you are so angsty about that, its rad as fuck, and will make the game better, not even talking about modding stuff

Why aren't dwarves cannibals? Aren't they an industrious race? Why would they waste food like that?

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>>164663524
Is that an engraving of a Grizzly bear killing an elf while dwarves laugh, you cheeky little bastard?

>"I fear there will be another Nightmare Apocalypse," said Maktow. "As a Beast Maimer, you know what happened when Axolar ascended to the universal throne. Monsters from every world in creation spilled onto the Earth. Imagine what will happen now that Cenaster has that power. Instead of a humble monk from Cogita, a demon will sit on the throne."

Last Threetoe story is actually pretty damn interesting
If we are gonna have all of this stuff in the future version of the game, I'm gonna be a happy man

>>164663524
Pretty nice, good aesthetic.

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First for Masterwork is for the Master Race

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>>164666541

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>>164668123
fuck, meant to save it as gif

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>>164666541
dank template

What are some fun things you guys found in Legends more recently?

Are cats naturally good at climbing? I noticed that a stray kitten in my previous fortress was marked as a legendary climber.

>>164672290
a 300 year old hydra with hundreds of kills and multiple civilizations to its name
that died to a random rhino

>>164673228
They're legendary climbers from birth.

I spent the last few hours stripping a roaming goblin army naked. After I managed to get away (I punched the shit out of them until they all fell unconscious then jumped away) I sold all the armor and weapons to a nearby town. I can't even imaging how they would have to explain that to their group leader.

>>164673418
If that rhino is still alive you gotta claim his horn and use it as a legendary knife.

>>164676663
That's the thing
The Rhino didn't even get a name for it
It just says "A rhino" in legends and there are no named Rhinos in history

>>164677613
It must have been during a battle, then. War animals don't become hist figs for their kills.

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>>164672290
>over five thousand soldiers on one side
>a giant on each side, both of which I think were lying and pretending to be gods
>they meet on the field of battle and clash as one massive army takes on a hugely outnumbered force in a futile attempt to hold them off

>>164673228
>that feel when you're walking down the street in a town and a cat headbumps you
>there's no cat standing around you
>it's just standing on the wall above you

>>164677613
Seek out the families of the people the Hydra killed and eradicate their bloodlines then. The Hydra was clearly an avatar of Armok cut down too early.

>>164677838
I wonder when Toady will make Legends battle actually make sense rather than the duel conga line that we have currently.

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>>164679258
One side took out 5000 of the other side there, with the giants braining huge chunks of the opposing armies, and they dueld several times themselves.

Though he did say the squad stuff was also part of the framework needed for that.

>>164671248
Nice...now do Altaic pleeease?

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>>164680874
Just imagine the same dorfs mounted on horses or something.

page 10 begoen

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>spam random name for my emblem
>Attempt to make a scene relating to the name
I have done nothing but fiddle with this shit for hours and you cant stop me

>>164671248
>2cat
lmao

>>164646675
Oh, turns out it was just firefox resizing it to fit the horizontal resolution. The large pixels all had this one-pixel wide border where it was interpolating shit.

>>164686714
Coming up with cool civ symbols is the best shit ever.
I always make a statue or engraving of both my local symbol and my civ symbol and put them in my mayor's office, though it usually ends up being something like
>This is a statue of Urist McWarGod being fucking awesome and killing 6 hundred million goblins
next to
>This is a statue of two thrips

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>>164672290

>>164692379
Is this a world with very few elves or did those humans just really hate that one elf?

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>embark on site with two biomes, both with multiple shallow and deep metals
>prospect all
>only useful ores are gold and adamantine

>>164692379
>obligatory Brazzers joke.

>>164692516
They had probably worn down the defenses of that retreat for a long time, leaving that elf as the last defender. It's interesting that no commander is named on the elf side. Maybe that one unfortunate elf wasn't even a hist fig.

>>164692719
>Leonidas McPointyEars comes back from feasting on a few dwarf corpses to find his treehouse village burned to the ground
>As the 3,000+ strong army is about to head back from their glorious crusade they spot him
>At this point it's not about necessity but about killing for sport

Glorious

>>164693097
I meant Legolas for fuck's sake.

>>164622454

>tfw no cozy tavern on a cold rainy day wearing yoga pants and oversized t-shirts.

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I just realized something.

>For example, if the player robs somebody without saying their name, a problem with the new system was that only the people that witnessed the event thought ill of the player even after a few days, since other townspeople could no longer make the link between the player and the event.
>However, if the player talks to enough people in a small enough town either before or after the robbery, then whatever name/alias they used should become linked to the incident after a bit of time (the normal rumor spread time).

That suggests we'll get something like:

>Greet
>Greet as Ngebzo the Monk
>Greet as Ral the Prophet
>Greet as New Identity (New Menu)
>Bypass Greeting
>Nevermind

>>164692516
They spent years sacking that fucking site over and over again.

>>164692695
>eyyyy

>>164692719
>>164693215
Leonidas worked too.

>>164693695
>They spent years sacking that fucking site over and over again.

Scorched earth operation my dude. Burn down the trees then keeping coming back to burn the very soil to make sure nothing grows on it.

Is there any way to change migrants' skills? I want my migrants to be only peasants, with zero skills

>>164694048
for most professions, the skill they have when they arrive isn't important. you can just change their labours to whatever you want, and they'll get good at it before long.

>>164693695
Does this mean that I'll finally be able to greet bandits with "Behold mortal, I am a divine being!" and have them freak out because I'm a legendary +5 persuader and liar?

>>164632084
I personally have just been literally walling them inside a small space with stone.

>playing around with taverns for the first time
>accept all petitions because why not
>pay no attention for a while
>suddenly get notifications about a dead dwarf and bard
>look at the reports
>apparantly the dead dwarf disagreed with the bard about something and punched him
>the bard immediately kicked his neck so hard the arteries burst open and he bleeds out
>bard gets gangbanged by bystanders
>half the visitors are experiencing emotional distress

Jesus christ

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>>164695250
I hope so.

>>164695701
Wonderful isn't it?

>ARMOK TIER
Dwarves

>IRON TIER
Humans

>WOOD TIER
Underground animal tribes
Kobolds

>CLOTH TIER
Goblins

>MIASMA TIER
Elves

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>>164697575
Miasa feel elves in aree my dorfs are spidering?

>>164697683
:DD

3 biomes but one has 0 shallow and only one deep metal, or 2 biomes with multiple metals each?

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>>164697575
Actually, it's more like this:

>God tier
Dorfs. They have the most advanced technology, as only they know how to produce steel. They also have the highest degree of social complexity within their society: just look at all their entity positions, and the interralationships between those positions. They have a well functioning buerocracy, and all trade is controlled by the state.

Dwarves are no doubt the strongest race in the game.

>Top tier
Gobbos. They are nowhere as technologically advanced as the dwarves, but there are other impressive feature to their society. They posses the power and knowledge to erect monumental towers, and just like the dwarves, they dig their homes out of the earth itself. They are basically the more civilised and less hypocritical cousin of the elves.

To be fair, I never considered the gobbos my enemy. I see them more as rivals, because out of the major races, they really are the only ones who can challenge the mighty dwarf. The dwarves and the goblins are the only two power players in the world of DF.

>Shit tier
Elves. Like orangutangs, they build primitive nests in the treetops by twinning the branches together. Like the subterranean tribes, they are only capable of carving their tools out of wood, and they have the poor taste to claim to do this through some kind of nature loving magic.

The only redeeming trait of elven society is the relatively high social complexity. Their richness of noble positions is second only to the dwarves.

>Below shit
Humans. They possess the same technology as the goblins, but they don't put it to decent use. Most of their settlements are sprawling, miserable shanty towns. In the vast majority of the shacks in which they make their living, the floor is just dirt.

They don't have the complex society of the dwarven and elven societies, but instead a primitive feudal system where the only positions are the "law giver", the "general" and the lesser lords.

>>164699930
Love the little details, do more of the Indianon Jones ones too!

>>164701963
I will, but it will have to wait until the artifact release. It would really enrich the whole thing, and lessen the need for roleplaying.

I'll probably make some more frowns during the weekend, though.

>>164702320
True, the chaos should be fun too.

>I'm having fun chasing down issues with agent identities and rumors and so forth. A lot of the conversation/reputation code wasn't able to cope with the change, and we've needed to differentiate more between visual identification or whether an incident just involves the real and fake historical identities of people in the abstract, especially when you ask a person their opinion about somebody but only know an alias (which you don't know is an alias). People now think more carefully about where their information came from when they decide what they think of people, and do some cross-referencing of known identities and so forth, but they also have to skip certain rumors in their heads that pertain to a person where they can't make the connection (because they don't know a given alias or true identity). So if you ask after a goblin agent using their true name or an identity used in a previous town, people in the current town the agent is infiltrating will properly say that they don't know who you are talking about, even if they have a lot of information about the agent under their current alias -- or they might have an opinion about the old identity if they heard a rumor about it. Where the game previously formed a single set of reputations for one historical figure, people can now give different answers for the true historical figure and each identity, as well as what they think on sight (which may or may not involve any names -- they keep track of which identities they associate with the physical appearance).

and despite text like this, there are still people that complain about mundane side-effects like lack of sieges.

>>164711481
>why don't people prefer to have nothing but text in their games over gameplay

>>164713367
ayyyyyyyy fagget

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>>164713925
>pointing out that people like gameplay in their games
>ur gay

>>164714185
>he doesn't play dwarf fort to argue the quality of elven poetry

you enjoy the company of men

>>164674032
Hypercompetent martial gymnasts can't be that rare in the DF universe, can they?

>>164711481

Honestly sieges are a pretty big part of the game. He should at least tweak some things to make them more frequent.

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How are your forts/adventurers going /dfg/?

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>>164717819

>2017
>No 64bit DFhack or therapist

i don't think i've gotten 1 child snatcher since 40.01

am i just really unlucky or are they just more uncommon?

>>164697575
I think Elves are ok if raised right. Born into a Dorf of human society they can be perfectly well-adjusted to drink and industry.

>>164721658
Uh, dfhack is almost totally ready, and definitely usable, it was missing some of the major globals for linux 64 bit and still is, but the other distros should be fine.

>>164722461
I had one a while ago. She was killed by a weregila monster, who also killed a kobold thief before getting killed by a caravan guard.
None of them even set foot inside my fortress.

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There were an additional 6 invaders I've already killed. This is the biggest invasion force I've seen. my Military is only 16 dwarfs in bronze gear (I have no iron, just copper and tin, and silver).

I guess no caravans for me until I figure this shit out.

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I've made a hacked-up version of the DF rendering and input code ("g_src") that runs a websocket server, so that multiple users can connect to the same instance of the game over the internet.

My plan right now is to use this to build a multiplayer succession-style server. One player runs the fortress at a time, and every 10 or 15 minutes, another player takes over. Players who are waiting for their turn can watch the current player's progress in real time, and it will have a chat system so you can discuss plans for the fortress (or complain about how the current player is doing everything wrong).

Does that sound like it would be fun?

>>164724682
That sounds fucking awesome mate.

>>164724682
you better finish this shit

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Same

>>164720590
suspiciously safe
only combat logs are a spider that got scared off by a dog and some kid and a cat swiping at my gelder

>>164724682
Are you familiar with dfterm? If not, look it up. It sounds like you're just remaking it. Back in the 34.11 days /dfg/ had ocassional dfterm games. They never lasted long, though.

>>164724682
I like this idea.
Why hasn't anyone tried to hack multiplayer into DF before?

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>>164726412

>>164724682
I'd be very interested

>>164729765
It's been done before.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Utilities#Remote_playing_tools
I don't know if any of them are still being developed.

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>>164729841
Huh, one of those books was a biographical dictionary?

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>>164733171
mapbump

>>164729841
Against the Rocs would be a good band name.

noob here, what does 'Start playing' do?

>>164739592
Check the wiki.

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>artifacts almost done

arcane magic and fireballs when?

i want to ditch my entire military for roided up clergymen

>>164739757
I think he was joking.

>>164739865
I'm looking forward to those artifact bone maces becoming terrifying abominations of flesh magic that instantly break bones with every strike.

>>164699930
>"This cannot horrify me", says survivor
Gets me every time

>>164739865
Fireballs are an existing interaction and you can mod dwarves to use them right now, if you aren't scared of your entire population dying to a brushfire.

>>164742359
Can't you just make towers where they study firelling instead of necromancy? And won't that make the fire mages actually besiege your fort?

>>164742436
>firelling
fireballing*

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Can someone tell me what tileset this is?

>>164742829
looks like gemset.

gemset seems pretty cool ,but IIRC, it requires TWBT to look that good, and TWBT will make your game crash all the time.

>>164742957
Thanks

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>>164742957
>>164742829
It's gemset, and I've never once had a crash before while using it.

Hey /sg/

My friend who likes DF wants to know how to "write in" genitals and the means to sexually interact with other beings in adventure mode.

My friend would very much appreciate any help on the matter.

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>>164744925
>/sg/
>friend
>suspicious "quotation" marks

>>164744201
twbt tends to be at fault for regular crashes in adventure mode and some bugginess in fort mode, mostly due to dePlatino wanting to override everything.

This is also by them.

I've got a (possessed) mood who wants certain items. He's already got one (steel bvars, fuck yes). But the others, cut gems, raw glass, and yarn/thread, and bone are available, but he's not picking them up. What gives?

>>164724682
That looks like gueto dfterm

>>164745389
>What gives?
Well it depe-
>possessed
Oh in that case it doesn't matter. Just lock the fucker up and let him die.

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>>164744925
>Hey brah, can you go ask that 4chan dwarf fortress thread how to add dicks and stuff for me?
>...ok, but this is the last time dammit, they're starting to get suspicious!

More seriously, a body_default entry with the right names, a [JOINT] tag, and another with a [SOCKET] or [APERTURE] tag I think, but you'll kill your partner since it's like trying to pinch their lower body.

>>164745389
He's missing the next item he wants, and won't pick up the rest of the list until he has it.

>>164745909
There are camps with sleeping bandits and soldiers that have a campfire and guard keeping watch.

We're getting the option to have a different identity.

We might end up being able to sneak up, kill the guard, put their gear on and try to impersonate them.

>>164745350
>.png named "square"
>isn't

Don't trust non-square subversives.

>>164745713
I swear I have everything though.
>gems shining
>cloth thread (even just made adamantine cloth JUST IN CASE)
>bones yes (Have bones laying around)
>metal bars (obtained already)
>raw clear (have raw clear glass)
What the fuck does he want? I don't understand.
It goes metal -> bones. He hasn't picked up the bones yet though, even though there's lots in the butchery.

>>164746153
I think the square meant the weighting of the font and the method used to produce them with the vector tools.

http://imgur.com/a/0RliE

>>164746245
Butcher something fresh, make sure you forbid the candy before he gets to it, he'll grab it first chance he gets and you can leave it for a clothcrafter to make an indestructible cloak or something out of.

>>164746254
Don't click the link, fellow square set users, the non-squares are utilising their biased over-education to brainwash us into denying our natural instincts.

That's actually pretty cool.

>>164746475
Yeah, if you've got any art skill and whatnot and are into tinkering with tilesets, that vector shit looks awesome, square or not.

>>164746457
Except it won't be indestructible as adamantine clothing wears too quickly due to a bug.

>>164746245
Gems shining would be cut gems. Cloth could be plant/yarn/silk.

>>164746457
Butchered something fresh, no dice. I really wish I understood what the fuck was going on here.

>>164746245
They're in order, in my experience, so it's apparently hanging between metal and bone.
Do you have any more metal bars? He might want more than one.

>>164746245
I would try making sure you have all of the following available in quantity to him (make sure he can reach it all):
rough gems
cut gems
metal
raw glass
cut glass
plant cloth
plant thread
silk cloth
silk thread
wool cloth
wool yarn
bones

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I tried doubling the dimensions of my comfyset to make the pixelart clearer. Sadly, now even my 1920x1080 monitor is too small to play it.

Apart from that, the results are stunning.

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>>164748145
>internet explorer
>windows media player
>skype
>non-square set

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>>164749930
I only have skype because employers want to use it for job interviews.

I have WMP and IE because I haven't bothered uninstalling them.

I use non-square because it gives a better sense of depth than square dittoes.

Now climb back into your "treehouse", my knife eared friend-o.

noob here, how do i unpause?

FUCKING WERELIZARDS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiJF4CTBarg

But at least I have an inn and the last of the werelizards have died. Some human merchants ended up turning into them thugh. Am I going to get into a war with the humans now?

>>164750906
Spacebar

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This was an intense battle.

Sadly, the commander got incapacited by a bite, I don't have a hospital yet. Maybe I should just lock him up somewhere and see what happens. It would be best to treat him as soon as possible, though, in case he doesn't turn.

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>start a fortress right beside a necromancer tower
>dig right down to the magma sea
>only one necromancer invades and he's pitifully weak and doesn't even use necromancy
>2 years later, still no forgotten beasts or interesting happenings
How can I encourage FUN?

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after several tries to learn dwarf fortress this is my current fortress. it's a clean install with no mods

i don't know if it is normal but i've got 1/4 fisherdwarfs and 1/4 farmer. it's kinda annoying me because currently i only have a 5x7 plump helmet farm and a 3x3 pigtail farm.

i've got a few questions if you don't mind:

>is a 1tile long draw bridge indestructible when retracted?
>do war dogs not breed?
>is calm like "get NEVER attacked"?

>>164751928
Calm has NOTHING to do with sieges. Whether you get sieged or not is ONLY affected by which neighbours you have.

>>164750119
Goblins won't stab you in the back. They'll stab you right in the face. With a dagger made of metal, not some stupid stick.

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>>164752018
thanks for answering.

so i guess i can see all my neighbours when it hit c?

picture related: this is what appears when i hit c. what does the P mean? peace?

can i take from that, that this save file will be utterly boring due to no attacks?

>>164752298
The elves are at peace with you, yes.

However, there may be unencountered neighbours, since neighbours don't show up on the list until you've actually encountered them. For the goblins, this means that you won't see them on the list until they've started fucking with you.

>>164752912
thanks again for answering.

well then i will wait and see what happens

Dwarb Gortress!!!!

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>>164746658
Artifacts are all indestructible.

>>164753317
Sure, yes, of course. Didn't see that you were implying another mood.

>>164751680
Well I fought a weretortoise right after this post. Some of my dwarves died, they killed the weretortoise when he reverted to human form, I started constructing slabs, didn't think much of it. Now three of my dwarves have just turned into weretortoises. Looks like I managed to find the Fun after all.

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>>164752298
>>164751928

i got a dragon attack. i am not sherlock holmes but i think 10 dwarfs only equipped with a battle axe and a wooden buckler are not able to fight this creature

>>164754232
>>164754232
If you fight him in a place where the ground tiles can't catch fire, the shields should still be able to block it (unless this changed when weapon/armour damage was added).

>>164752298
Once your fortress becomes large enough, the elves will send a diplomat to demand you limit your tree cutting.
Kill the diplomat.

>>164755152
I've never seen it myself, but judging from screenshots I've seen here, you'll get a special message from the diplomat if you haven't cut any trees, where he praises you for being a good goy.

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>>164753875
You see, the fun was inside you all along!

i hate toady

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>>164756595
>tfw you liek elf
>toady makes them shit

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>>164756267
So I'm not sure why this is so fun, just letting disarmed weaponlords continually run up, start to throw a punch, then try to toss them into their buddies.

The best is when you toss one as another beside you starts an attack, so you're able to hold them in place when they try to jump out of the way.

Sometimes you're able to toss them from either side into each other, which is also amazing.

g ,. g
. @

,g g
. @

*clunk*
. @

>>164756595
y u say dat fren

>>164739757
perfect answer
>>164740143
I think he knew

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>>164756951
>tfw too smart to use tilesets with diagonal walls

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>>164757850
>tfw too smart to care because I'm busy hacking around in the guts of the game or the guts of my foes

Speaking of which, an example mock-up I made of a way the different aliases and identities will probably end up working, naturally this isn't certain, but it's a pretty good guess I'd say.

>>164755152
Im currently at 140 dwarves and this hasnt happened.

Could it also be wealth related?

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>>164759118
Yup.

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>>164759316
>tfw your vaporshit set from last year lives on

>>164759649
is this an ancapistan type of thing?

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>>164759118
>>164759649
Noticed I made a mistake with it and fixed it.
>>164759997
Yeah.

>>164759316
>>164759997
wtf happened to his posts?

is this a forbidden meme on this board?

>>164760246
I deleted them, no worries.

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>tfw no new version
>tfw can't be bothered playing with no new version

>>164759834
Ah hah, I wasn't crazy thinking you were aesthetic anon too.

what does a dorf kitchen look like?

>>164764953
Huge cauldron over a magma pit.

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>>164764953
A barrel, a long bench with a 90 degrees corner, some green thing, some red thing.

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Can you teach a dead gobbo new tricks?

>>164765971
Sounds like a cool guy. I'd live in his tower.

>>164765971
Maybe he's an opinionated douchebag who chose to become a necro just so he could have an audience which doesn't talk back?

>>164766175
Or he's a hero who raised the victims of murder and is trying to give them a second chance at life.

>>164765971
Also, how do I into reading? I picked up a bunch of books but I don't get the option to read on any of them. I've definitely got the reader skill.

>>164766491
Nevermind I found it, was using the wrong keybind. I'm getting punched to death regardless.

>>164766491
Press 'I', then select one of the books.

>>164766916
That's a lie though. I was doing that and it didn't work. Shift + I and then selecting the book works.

>>164767046
I wrote capital i, didn't I? That means i + shift.

Okay what the fuck just happened. I got absolutely murdered in that necro tower (30+ pages of being punched in the head before I suffocated to death). I got taken out to the main menu and then had the option to continue playing, I just assumed I could go back into legends mode to look up some more shit. But it let me load back into the actual game. I didn't look at the name but I guessed it would just show me my dead character and 'You are deceased' again and I'd have to quit again.

But it didn't.

I'm playing as the master necromancer now. What the fuck is this? Is it a bug or is this intended?

>>164767434
it's a feature

>>164760664
Don't worry, the next version will be out in 1-2 years.

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>>164767783
Can you elaborate? How does this work?

a merchant visited me and was stuck at "unloading their goods". they went away before i could trade with them.

thanks.

>>164767848
I'm trusting this link, just because it's you.

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>>164767434
Bodyswap bug perhaps.

Save before you travel anywhere.

>>164768349
Okay yeah this is definitely that bug. I just resurrected my adventurer as the necromancer, decided to attack him, he promptly beat me to death and when I reloaded the game it put me into the body of a random elf zombie.

>>164769197
>Leave the necro tower site as an elf zombie
>Travel to nearest hamlet
>I'm now playing as a random peasant

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>>164769468
Bad news: you're gonna end up stuck in a cavern at the far northwest corner of the map as a bat or some shit.

>>164769468
>>164773004
Dont listen to anybody

Make the most out of this. Consider that power a gift, a way to transform into a master demon and enslave the world
Or arternatively, kill everybody and see what happens

>>164724839
>>164725089
>>164729765
>>164730013
Cool, I'll keep working on that then. I still need to finish the input, chat, and queuing systems, but I think I can get it working within a week or so.

>>164729410
>>164730163
>>164745504
I wasn't aware of DFterm and the others, but it makes sense someone would have tried this already. WebFort even has a queuing system just like the one I proposed.

I think the architecture I'm using gives more control over the game loop than in DFhack/WebFort/etc., and will make it possible to implement better multiplayer features. The modified g_src has total control over rendering and input, so it should be possible to do some neat tricks by sending fake inputs and only rendering certain frames. For example, I think it can give two players two independent views of the game world, by rendering a frame for Player 1, sending fake inputs to move the camera to Player 2's position, and rendering a separate frame for Player 2. To the players, it looks like they each have an independent camera control, while from DF's perspective, there is only one camera which is moving back and forth very quickly. Dealing with menus would be more complicated (it would need to know what sequence of inputs will close Player 1's menus and open Player 2's), but it should be possible with the same principle.

Are some fortresses genuinely impossible to get into? I'm standing right where one should be (my companion is saying it's just to the north, or just south and changing this often if I move just a few tiles). I wanna get inside because it seems cool as shit, go absolutely destroyed by a bronze colossus (who appears to have vanished) and about 30 necromancers took it over.

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>>164773293
Don't listen to anybody, not even yourself

>>164774819
I know for a fact that there are fortresses from where its impossible to get out

>>164775089
Really rare.

However, there used to be a bug that caused staircases in fortresses to disappear when you slept, making some sections isolated and potentially trapping the player. I don't know if this has been fixed.

BTW, I don't know if anyone lese remembers, but Toady said that he has already made the fortresses easier to navigate for the upcoming release. Basically, the wider corridors will connect to the central rampway, meaning that you can basically follow the widest path to get out into the open quicker.

>>164775403
Oh fuck nice. I won't have to navigate through the FPS hell of dwarven fort housing anymore.

>>164775403
yeah, thats pretty amazing of him to do something actually helpful

>>164699930
>all trade is controlled by the state
>good
Are you a filthy commie, m8?

>>164775403
Yeah, I thought he said he worked on them some in the 43.04~43.05 stretch too, and did more for the next one.

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>tfw

>>164774869
Is that a gun?
Dwarves don't have guns.

>>164777921
happens to the best of us

>>164777346
yeah