/acg/ - Armored Core General: Best Boy Edition

>>164582571
>Not Sieg
Surely you're a feddie.

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I actually did box runs yesterday.

Goddamn hard mode AC4 is so much more interesting than easy mode. It's harder to just cheese the game with grenade launchers.

>>164606793
After a while, you'll realize that half of the missions are
>normal mode, but now there's a NEXT

>>164614997

Kinda wish they had some variety.

>>164629180
Why are BJ and Nineball fighting at Avalon Dam?

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>>164629360
Because it's kool.

The future is now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re6P7WP2N5w

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>>164630205

>>164630205
It reminds me of the suits that appear on Avatar

>>164625010
is one of the biggest sins of the franchise.

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>>164630205
My dick

>>164630205

What is this feeling I have in my pants?

Shoot, I don't care if they never have military application. These would be badass construction tools. Just give them time to work out the kinks.

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Got his AP to 1k but run out of ammo and had no blades due to my heavy ass energy protection+RJ and the Karasawa Mk2. I'm so fucking close to kill this bastard, but his moves are godly.

>>164657625
>Rank 58
What's so tough about this guy? I haven't gotten around to the PS2 games yet. Is he like the wakeup call boss of the arena or something?

>>164657892
Armored Cores 2, 3 and Silent Line did this weird thing where upon beating the main storyline there would be extra opponents in the arena to defeat. I do believe they get harder as they go down. So, the last ranked is supposed to be the hardest.

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>>164665806
That's pretty neat. I wish the later games had more postgame content like that.

>>164668902

You should see the cheating asshole in AC3, who uses broken weapons, and circle strafes, and has a high speed hover.

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>>164673664
Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Should I but V for PS3? Online still active outside of Japan?

>>164675365
>Should I but V for PS3
If you mean opposed to the 360, then yes. PS3 is more active.

Game is still pretty dead overall if you don't network, but that's what /acg/ is for.

Also make sure you get Verdict Day, not V. V's server got shut down, but Verdict Day (the sequel) is still up.

>>164675365
Play online with Verdict Day. V is completely dead and has no servers active anymore except for peer-to-peer free battle.

If you want to play V for the single player, it's fine. It's not very good, and you would be better just watching the story mission gameplay videos (including cutscenes) than spending the money, so that's up to you. I assume since you haven't played it yet, you're probably not so strong of a fan that you -need- it.

>>164668902
They replaced that with hard/hardcore mode in 4/FA/VD.

V had the (excellent) multiplayer bosses, though they were almost impossible to attempt offline.

>>164680934
They're literally impossible to attempt offline.
Well, really, it's more accurate to say they're literally impossible to attempt because they're gone forever thanks to the servers shutting down.
>>164673664
The stealth is what really pushes him over the top.
>>164657625
Miss less.

>>164641180
Only if there was a real interest on seeing shit like robo fights or someone actually proving they could be used on something aside than just looking cool.

>>164685191
>>164641180

Something like that could be really practical for automating warehouse duties that are currently done by hand, and other general automation machines. Most robots are highly specialized but something like this could be used in many industries for cheaper, thanks to economies of scale.

>>164635697
Who's the cute girl on the left?

How much of a heretic am I too ask that this franchise starts taking over on PC?

>>dark souls resonated well with us, the online community would be easy to grab, map-making and matchmaking is easier to implement.
+PvE and PvP modes would be glorious.
+Customization would allow for unique skins and emblems.

Tell me what I'm missing?

>>164685660

all they need is to increase the power of the hydraulics, and increase the balance and stabilization of the legs. I hold that making it a quadruped would do that far better, while giving it mobility above just giving it tank legs.

>>164685804
Since is paired with White Glint, she has to be Fiona, your operator on AC4

>>164614997
That's fine with me, next2next combat is all I wanted

>>164687204
Controls. I think that's the issue. They had problems when porting dark souls 1 for PC, and considering how complex Armored Core movements they really need some time for that.

Just got AC4 and For Answer, does anyone still play the multiplayer to these from time to time?

Also why do all of the parts you get at the beginning of the game look so damn ugly? Some of the ones in the loading screens look great.

>>164698140
I hope you arent talking about the Aaliyah

>>164698725
That's the only remotely decent one so far
The white one from For Answer's opening is better tho

>>164698140
Fourth gen aesthetics are just kind of like that.
Anyway, nobody plays 4 online. FA happens, but it's still pretty rare.

>>164694849
Physical release with bundled twinstick controller and Steel Battalion compatibility.

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>>164698140
I still play SNFA when i'm in the mood but i'm usually the one that has to take the initiative and schedule the event in the thread ahead of time. So, if you're ever in the mood then just ask me in the thread to play.

I won't go easy on you though.

Is ACV worth dropping 30 on if I liked the single player content in VD?

>>164694849
Just flash a big pop up saying "buy a controller faggot" on the start screen.

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>>164680663
Cool I'll pick V day then, maybe I'll post my id here or give me yours if you play on PS3

>>164721681

I'm sorry, but I'd have to say no. I wish ACV was a little cheaper, as it doesn't feel as worth it without the online superbosses.

>>164721681
At that price? Hell no. Try looking for a cheaper copy because while some of the mission levels are cool (the city ones specifically), it's not worth 30 bucks.

>>164722372
>>164722528
I should mention that 30 dollars in my country is actually 21 burgerbux.

What went wrong with it?

>>164724001

It was too experimental for its time, has frame rate issues, doesn't really have stellar optional missions, contains a weird part balance where some weapons aren't that viable, has no online except for online multiplayer, and to really top it off I don't think you can even download patches anymore.

It has some of the coolest villains though, and the main singleplayer missions are pretty rad. But other than that, ehhhhhhh.

>>164721681
Only if you have played all the PS2 titles first and really just need more AC content. The difference between ACV and ACVD is so great that you're better off buying or emulating an older game to get the same feeling than paying full price.

ACV's single player isn't bad, but it's not nearly as good as VD. The cutscenes are great though, so watch those on youtube or something.

Two questions for FA:

1. If I am using an energy weapon-arm, does the "energy weapon skill" value have any effect on that arm's damage?

2. Does the "turning ability" value have any affect in the air, or is it just for when your legs are touching the ground?

>>164711445
Worst company since Technocrat.

>>164732754
>1. If I am using an energy weapon-arm, does the "energy weapon skill" value have any effect on that arm's damage?

Yes it does.

>2. Does the "turning ability" value have any affect in the air, or is it just for when your legs are touching the ground?

Turning ability does affect you in the air. Although it's not really worth investing your tuning points into it.

>>164734121
Thank you. Why isn't turning worth investing in?

>>164734781
Because quick-turning exists.

>>164732754
1. Yes. 120 = 120% damage. 80 = 80% damage for all energy weapons.

2. Yes. It will also affect the speed of your quick-turn when boosting. It's worth investing points if you're playing on the extreme edges of your turning capability (like trying to do 180 degree quick turns for jousting) but otherwise not that useful.

>>164734781
>>164734121
Also, you can use stabilizers to speed up your turning in one direction. If you are heavily left-loaded, you will turn faster to the left, I think. It might be the opposite, but +10 in either direction does change your balance of turning speed.

>>164691835
A classic. They literally don't make em like that anymore.

Which is the best ps2 gundam game.

Are you still stuck super low to the ground in Verdict Day?
I hated how in 5 you couldn't fly high and zoom around like in 4A

>>164742056
>Are you still stuck super low to the ground in Verdict Day?
Only if you suck and don't git gud at the movement mechanics. VD honestly feels faster than FA in a lot of cases once you master it all.

>>164742056
VD is faster than FA because it is at much closer range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHcwvG-uT4

>>164742834
So its still super low to the ground then?

>>164743527
Watch the video and judge for yourself. VD and V is higher in the air than every AC game except for 4/FA.

If you want to play 4/FA style, you should play Murakumo: Renegade Mech Pursuit, Project Nimbus, Zone of the Enders, Another Century's Episode, or any of the many of the Gundam titles out there.

Verdict Day is probably one of the best AC games, and definitely the best one on the PS3 generation.

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>>164745565
>Murakumo: Renegade Mech Pursuit
Vanguard Overboost Simulator was actually pretty good if you're into From's typical low budget bargain bin games and know what to expect. I need to replay it eventually.

EMERGENCY BUMP.

>>164742056
But you could do that in every single V map except Abandoned Facility.
>>164740006
I hear more about Federation vs. Zeon than any other Gundam game period, so I'm guessing that one.
>>164724001
Servers are shut down and the single player isn't worth that much.
>>164685660
>>164641180
Oh hey would you look at that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHfv7xa758

>>164765965
who is the semen demon?

>>164762910
V's single player isn't that bad. I appreciate it for what it was trying to do, there's definitely more of a dark souls / demon souls influence with the story missions being like full levels to explore with items and enemies to discover. Unfortunately the missions were so linear and poorly designed that it was more of an annoyance to try and complete subquests than a fun atmosphere to explore.

The cutscenes and voice acting is also hilariously good. Chief is fantastic. But you can get that from youtube, without needing to buy the game and suffer the bad missions to reach it.

>>164769646
Best boy evangel.

>when you go to pick up your new computer, but they botch the delivery and you have to wait another week

THANKS Best Buy.

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>>164784443
Algebra's design team are really good at their jobs.

>>164787542
I wish for a third game on FA time just to see the new models of each corp.

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>>164787542
Algebra Nexts look so cool in concept art. Too bad they look so weird and ugly ingame.

Also, Amazigh did literally nothing wrong.

>>164792337
Amazigh was one of the few good people, is a shame Anatolia's merc had to kill him

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>>164790820
Same, I absolutely adore the AC4-era designs.

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>>164790820
I like to think about what each corporation would come up with for their 3rd gen NEXTs. I always thought Algebra would make a beefy mid weight bided with an experimental EO core, while GA would adapt a light weight biped and or reverse joint with high low capacity and an emphasis on missiles.

>>164794756
That soud like if each corp goes for the experimental phase of their lives, at least compared to their usual designs.

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>>164794756
>>164795138
>Rosenthal produces yet another middleweight bipedal

>>164795138
I guess, but Algebra is always going through experimental phases, their designs are super unique compared to what the other companies were rolling out.

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>>164795526
But Algebra focus on a mix of close combat and mobility they just use a weird approach to it.

meanwhile GA uses a military and simplistic design, with a focus on durability and high ammounts of bullet or explosives

>>164795481
The old Rosenthal strikes again!

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>there will never be a new Rayleonard design
>just this supposedly Aaliyah inspired piece of shit

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>>164797819
It hurts.

>>164797819
>Aaliyah inspired piece of shit
>Dominates the JP meta

>>164797819
I don't know why people hate this design. I think it looks cool as fuck

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>>164799972
My main complain are the legs, the high heels are huge, the weird they have is terrible too.

The frame would be better if the official legs were the ones of X-SOBRERO.

>>164800802
>the weird
Pose*

>>164800802
Now that actually looks really good. I've even used that design before for some builds.

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>>164799023
That's more because of FA's shit netcode than because of the parts actually being good. Lahire is the lightest frame in the game that can still aim and turn decently.

>>164770009
It's not, and there's a lot of things I liked with it, but I wouldn't pay $20 for it.

>>164804018
Is this supposed to be what life on the surface looks like? Makes me want to know more about what normal life is like in FA

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>>164809730
Sadly the serie isnt popular enough to make FROM or any other company interest on making a multimedia franchise.

>>164810731
''Tis a shame, For Answer is just begging to be expanded on. If only Fort Tower Song wasn't canceled.

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>>164811925
I was wanting to learn more about cute human+ girl.

Also, i've been playing Dark Souls 2 SotfS for the first time so i've had my time invested in that lately. Where did fromsoft go wrong with Dark Souls 3.

>>164811925
No just For Answer, VD too, how is the war really going on, who has the upper hand, the political situation, the real stuff the tower provide, how is the life standart and how is the culture of each faction, mostly the parts away from the frontline, and what the fuck the foundation man did at the end.

>>164770009
>voice acting is also hilariously good

What's with AC games having such great voice acting?

>>164813416
Lip synch always makes things awkward. AC games don't suffer from that at all.

>>164811925
>>164813360
>>164810731

I wonder how much of that has to do with Bandai having the Gundam market cornered and not letting From expand the franchise.

>>164813994
they even get cool robot filters ontop

>>164813994
>>164813416
The characters don't need to have backstories or repeated cutscenes, so voice actors are free to do whatever they feel comfortable with instead of having to conform to a specific character.

>>164814095
Does AC can really fight against Gundam? at least on japan?

>>164814205
And for a serie that usually present itself as serious with some dark on it, many of the pilots have their own quircks that light the mood.

>>164812297
DS2 and SOTFS were done by the same devs behind ACVD, and it really shows.

It's more equipment-based rather than stats based, the parts mix and match better, there's more content overall (even if the quality is lower) the overall mechanics are vastly improved over DS1 (especially with varying frame ranges and animations instead of everything being identical no matter what your build is), stamina management is a lot more important, it has proper dual wielding, it's generally better balanced for PvP than DS3 (still worse multiplayer balance than ACV/VD though) etc.

But then it also has a lot of the flaws of AC. It's a quantity > quality approach, the levels don't really flow or connect to eachother and feel more like 'missions', the bosses play more like giant mobs /turrets rather than bosses trying to kill you. Most of the weapons have identical movesets with just slightly different stats.

You can also see little things between Tanimura (DS2, AC2/3/5) and Miyazaki (DS1/3, AC4). Like how in AC4 and DS1/3 the armor parts don't really mix well together and seem to be only designed as sets, but in ACV and DS2 the parts are a lot more interchangeable and look better when mixed up.

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Wonder if From will make an AC game on the Switch.

>MAIN SYSTEM, ENGAGING COMBAT MODE
>FWOOSH
>PEW PEW
>BRRRRR
>WARNING, AP AT TEN PERCENT

>>164814617
AC games are a really popular alternative to gundam, and definitely have their niche. I don't think AC could compete with Gundam in other media, but I'm sure Bandai wouldn't want it to try. Model kits are probably the only area where they do compete outside of games.

>>164814808
The future of AC lies in a mobile game, going ala Interior Union with just female pilots, that are all moe and cheap waifu material.

>>164815185
NO.

Don't even joke about that shit.

>>164815797
The player would be called "operator" as you command the girls to take on missions and provide intel, with a focus on the arena instead of any real war, to leave room for low quality comedy and shipping either with the player or full on the yuri side, the events would about retaking a beach during summer, defending a base during valentine, inspecting a tower on halloween, having a arena torunament during christmas, and more.

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>>164814808
>AC could compete with Gundam in other media

Anime?

>>164814776
>YOU HAVE LEFT THE MISSION AREA

>>164813360
Oh man, a Verdict Day anime would be a godsend. I would love it if they explored the idea that V takes place after FA and sprinkle in little references like fallen cradles and ruined NEXTs. Hell, continue to follow Caesar Venide and show Venide's rise to power and their battles with Sirius.

>>164823864
Sounds rad, if that ever were to happen it has to be handled very carefully and not sink into moe or idolshit. Also it would be kind of cool to explore the infantry's perspective on the ground as AC's/drones/walkers fight around them.

>>164809730
Normal people on the majority of the surface probably barely just sketch a living better than people who live in Command & Conquer Tiberium Yellow/Red zones, or any other post-butnotreally-apocalyptic lifestyle in fiction. There's probably a huge rat race involved for regular people trying to join the corporations in an attempt to seek better lives/try to get the fuck away from radiation-heavy zones. All the people who couldn't catch a ride on a Cradle years ago most likely migrated to Line Ark, but I'm sure there's still pockets of small to medium sized settlements scattered all over the world that risk annihilation if a corporation were to ever set their eyes upon them.

It's sorta fucked on how fast the world transitioned from 4 to FA in just what, five or ten years? Damn, I need to replay FA.

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>>164824213
Imagine being a ground trooper and hearing that all to familiar crunch of an AC landing. It must be insane to watch an AC sortie from the ground.

>>164823864
I have actually think on something like that, mostly if they focus on Caesar's father, since he mentioned he was the one that build Venide.

Following the games tradition, the MC is just called by his callsing or just "mercenary" by others, but at the end of the serie is revelead that his name is Venide, after all the events of the anime probably showing why he wants to build Venide and make it a meritocracy, and show what "help" did he get from Chief and Carol.

No peace princess or similar.

>>164824704
Final boss is him an the Dark Raven fighting chief in a severely damaged White Glint. It would be a great way to set up Black Glint's existence and why how Foundation Man got it.

>>164824589
The AC4 intro always makes me rock hard at the moment you see that infantryman watching as Supplice does flybys around the area.

>>164824448
It gets even more fucked when you think that all the people you saved in 4's Sol Dios mission probably died from Kojima poisoning being leaked out from the dead proto Arms Forts.

>>164824589
If they make a anime, I have always wanted a that the Main pilot to have a team, working more on cities and or attacking bases, the AC stops any heavy stuff and reinforment from attacking the troopers, while his team invade the base to take, destroy, kill their target and escape while the AC defends them from the rest. VD would be great for that.

>>164824882
Final boss is attacking the answerer that is being repaired, is not yet fit to leave the ground and is stationary, but most weapons are functional and you can recognize the shape under the construction.

>>164825189
I always thought the idea of an anime that follows a Storker and each episode is him working with a new merc and watching that merc suceed or fail in their missions.

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>>164824589
>this guy's balls of steel for aiming at an AC while it's boosting
Man the ACV trailer made me want to have an FPS spin off title where you play as an infantryman. From doesn't even keep up with mainline AC titles though so that happening is a distant dream. Also the risk of it being a CoD clone.

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>>164825423
I feel that would be really disconnected and like a mercenary slice of life, probably better as a special mini serie or OVA extras.

>>164825461
the scenes that are in during a rain fight are my favorite.

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>>164825723
For sure dude, anything involving bad weather just makes everything seem much more ruthless and with grit.

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>>164825882

>>164825723
Oh yea, an OVA would suit that perfectly, make it about Fatman and you got anime of the decade right there.

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>>164825723
Also adding on the weather concept, imagine an AC battle or something as the ACV trailer in pic related.

>>164826018
that scene right there, always makes me wish this was a full CG movie.

>>164826103
A man can dream about glory

>>164825030
That's true. Or imagine how fucked it is when you think about all the grunts and FNGs in Motherwill that couldn't evacuate just being engulfed in a huge fire in that narrow of a space from all the ammo and cannons exploding around them.

Hell, just imagine all those office workers and civilian contractors being caught in the Exavil's destruction.

>>164825871
That's why I fucking loved some of the missions in AC4

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>>164826285
Oh fug dude, I just remembered this from AC4. Real tricky mission if you're playing a real light AC.

>>164826285
I always felt bad for Shamir and Do Su, they probably froze to death in PAN51. You could really hear the desperation in Shamir's voice when she begged her next to keep moving.

>>164826285
>office workers and civilian contractors being caught in the Exavil's destruction.

what about queen's lance?

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>>164825030
The Cabracan mission actually takes place in "the former colony of Sing." It's mentioned in an easy to miss tiny info blurb when you're accepting the mission.

Basically, the Sol Dios mission in 4 is confirmed to have been a Pyrrhic victory. You destroyed the doomsday machines, but the colony was destroyed anyway.

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>>164825461
>>164825882
Mecha and Infantry combined together is the fucking shit, lads. There was this ARMA 3 mod that adds Wanzers and boy did I have a good time with that. It's also why I checked out Titanfall 2.

>>164826732
Oh fuck yeah. The premise for that mission reminded me of 08th MS Team for some reason, I think it was in that episode where they encounter the Apsalus in the desert.

>>164826951
>what about queen's lance?

A tad more tame I'd wager, just a bunch of rich posh fuckers enjoying gourmet cruise meals while going over spreadsheets until a NEXT completely bypasses the rear guard. A moment of silence for all the chefs and servants, however.

>>164827350
FROM hates anything that resembled happiness, dont they?

Bumpo

/acg/ we of /drg/ are being raided by personafags, please help.

I will bump the thread and talk stuff with you guys, please send help.

>>164832152

Well, as to make some discussion as promised

If Oldking and strayed tried to pull that stunt sooner, how Line Ark fare?

Assuming most the craddle folk would look towards them for help, would the corporation gather towards Line Ark for a last stand or would the League acuse Line Ark of pulling the strings?

Was Oldking a disgruntled Line Arkman?

>>164832152
I mean, there's not exactly anything to do about that. The best you can do is weather it out and not respond to it, but given modern Anon's propensity towards not ignoring things and responding to things that already have responses, even if some of those responses were samefagged by the poster, it's not something that you can expect.
Any involvement is just going to make things worse.
Not to mention that there are only, like, two or three people actually looking at this thread right now.
NYPA

>>164832795
Well shit, at least a message of support would be welcomed.

So, care to talk about >>164832634

Oldkike sounded a angry LA guy IMO

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>>164832152
>raided by personafags

I'm so sorry.

>>164832634
Old King, and Lilliana by extension, likely have little to no connection to Line Ark.
The LORC would still claim there was some kind of connection in order to justify some kind of extreme action.

>>164832953

is this how Line Ark felt when you raid them in the first mission?

>Oh fuck where is White Glint?!

>>164832982

Good point, Seeing a ORCA-Line Ark Team up would be incredible

Or a Line Ark-Orca-League team up aginst Oldking

Both sides, corrupt or not, don't want a pure mindless genocide like him.

Geez people here are like birds, they come from far only to leave this wretched place.

>>164834112
I love AC man, bump.

>>164833087
I always wondered what MT and Normal pilots thought when a NEXT pops up.
You can just about pray that the you're not the target of the NEXT, but that's about it.

>>164835516

They probably thing of running, but i belive some still try to fight back.

After all, not everyone is a uber pilot like Noblesse or Otsdarva, i belive Wonderful body and some other low levels next could fuck up some later missions.

Have you ever tried a specific build of sorts?

Like playing a one armed character and using only one arm and shoulder?

>>164835629
I wonder if Celebrity Ash ever took down an armsfort on his own

Also someone explain lineark to me

>>164837096

Probably not, Line Ark probably was made up from the left overs of who didn't got into the craddles, as well as most people who wanted to repair the world instead of craddle system

>>164837254
Man, fuck the cradles.
They deserved to fall.

>>164807094
It's a shame there wasn't a Rayleonard successor like Torus was for Akvavit.

>>164838024
White Glint and Lahire were both Aaliyah inspired models, so they kind of count. Neither's company were actual Rayleonard successors though.

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>>164837096
Line Ark was an sovereign state that was made up of just about anyone surviving in the surface who opposes the corporations, and was the largest non-League power capable of doing so. However, their accepting of anyone who wishes to join has apparently led to extreme corruption on the part of their government and probably everything else.

>>164826732
It is, unfortunately, way too easy if you have a decent radar. It was the first mission I was "disappointed" with in AC4 when I was just following the radar, killed a few missiles, then realized... that's it. That was the mission. I didn't even fight an MT.

>>164838024
But TORUS fucking sucks though.

>>164732754
>Worst company since Technocrat.

You take that back right now motherfucker.

>>164833087
>Or a Line Ark-Orca-League team up aginst Oldking

Oldking had literally no resources besides himself, a terrorist group comprised of normals, and maybe Strayed. Any of the factions could have crushed him-- Otsdarva even says shit about "sullying ORCA's good name" when he kills you on the Destruction path.

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>>164838356
>mfw Line Ark's "just" and "fair" society falls apart because this is a fromsoft game and darkness always wins in the end

>>164839543

Well, Strayed and Oldking vs the world, can they do it?

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>>164839826
They did do it.

Well, Strayed did anyway.

>>164839983

But that was just the best, imagine more people like Cube and White Glint and the stage is the craddles

>>164839983
Wynne is always the fucking worst, both in that fight and the one where she works with Roy Saaland. She should have been #1, not Otsdarva.

>>164839670
Can't say I was ever too fond of 'em myself regardless. They were on borrowed time even with White Glint because the League never really gave two shits about them besides very basic periodic negotiations. It's all about oneupping the other corps, baby.

>>164832634
Earlier in the process, more arms forts would have been available for combat. So Old King and Strayed would have likely been cornered by AFs, instead of relying on other AC pilots. It's also likely they wouldn't have taken them quite as serious as a threat without seeing him destroy the AFs first, so they wouldn't throw everything at them at once.

Unilateral coordinated attacks of AFs, which, in FA's universe, were likely weak enough to be destroyed by the two. It would have been a -lot- more devastating for the corporation's plans.

It's likely this would have completely destabilized the closed plan before it went off the ground, and other Orca ACs would have joined Strayed and Old King's "rebellion".

I don't see an outcome of this where line ark survives. Either Old King targets it next, the corporations now enlist white glint to stop strayed and fail, or it tears itself apart from the internal conflict that was brewing already, without the white glint death to unify it. Line Ark is doomed, and so are the arteria facilities, likely.

>>164841974

I am not sure how the AFs work for the craddles, they protect shit on the ground maybe, but maybe some of the proto-ORCA could join Line Ark to pull a twisted version of the plan, using Line Ark as base of sorts.

I feel they were waiting for Line Ark to fall to release ORCA

>>164839670
Line Ark tried to be an isolated closed-border state in a world with global trade and corporate power plays. Bad move.

Corruption is bad, but is necessary to maintain peace, in ACFA.

>>164842095
I mean the AFs would be used after Old King started shooting down the cradles, the corporations would start sending AFs after Old King and Strayed instead of the 5-AC team up.

That would have been a major mistake, since it would give Strayed and Old King plenty of time to tear through their AFs and gain more support, instead of stopping them in a single-all-out-AC-assault without any sympathetic possibility.

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>>164839271
LIES

>>164838221
I thought White Glint was more of a Holofernes successor?

>>164842257

That would be so shitty for the craddles, i can only imagine what would Line Ark would do.

Proto-ORCA + Oldking + Strayed + White Glint aginst the League best ACs

Its literally a final battle.

>>164842486
>Proto-ORCA

So, the original five?

>>164842992

Kinda, but i mean ORCA before ORCA, a few rebellious lynx joining his fight before ORCA was properly planned

>>164843403
ORCA was fully planned by Omer from the get-go. As for personnel, you had your original core of 5 (Max, Nidus, Julius, Shinkai, and Malzel) who were together from the start, and then slowly they recruited more and more NEXT-owning criminals into the fold. Hell, you even see them in the process of recruiting Patch the Good Luck, although his skill-level was not nearly up to ORCA's standard and he died taking Buppa with him.

>>164844553

Yeah i know that, but i mean orca the ideology, some people might associate him with that

wew

>>164847218

wew

>>164847218
>>164848753
lad

>>164832634
Seeing that the extreme genocide, probably the league will work alongside Line Ark, even if just to corner and kill the 2, I doubt they will reach friendly terms afterwards, but with Strayed death (If they really could kill him) Linek Ark would survive since White Glint would still be alive, but the league will try to use Oldking and Strayed as a excuse to attack line ark harder since they cant leave such independats groups alone anymore.

>>164835516
MT pilots (and anything lesser) probably shit their pants if they arent backed by a Arms Fort, Normal pilots most likely are scared but belive they can make it if they give their all (Barad squad and Silence Avalanche are scary if you arent careful)

>>164838024
Yeah, even Line Ark just having one NEXT, are allowed to put their logo on it, is shame ORCA couldnt produce their own NEXT to serve as a secret weapon too.

>>164839271
>TORUS sucks
>Defends Technocrat

C'mon, they only make rockets and thats pretty much, you cant even use the FCS with them

>>164842161
>Corruption is bad, but is necessary to maintain peace, in ACFA.
>in ACFA

No just there.

>>164852472

So, any chances Line Ark takes in Strayed, Oldking and some of the crazies, since the League is pretty much aginst them.

Anyway, i bit /acg/ goodbye i will bump the thread for 10 hours, even if you didn't came to help

>>164853734
>even if you didn't came to help

I was asleep when you posted the help request, sorry.

>>164839670

So in other words, the genocide ending is canon?

>>164860116
That or the ORCA ending since there are destroyed cradles in VD.

Has there been news abut fromsofts new AC project?

>>164862024
nah, we just know they are working on it, Miyazaki said that it was to early in the developing phase to give any details, I hope to get something the next year, If we are blessed by lady luck herself, maybe E3 this year.

>>164853072
>Corruption is bad, but is necessary to maintain peace, in ACFA.
>in ACFA

>No just there.

Correction:

Corruption is what people call peace when it doesn't work out in their favor.

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>>164853072

t. Old King

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Why is Armored Core's popularity not good despite being loved?

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>>164889941
because most people dont play it long enough to love.

>>164889941
There's a lot of reasons.

First and foremost is the genre limitation. Mech games, in particular, are one of the genres that are impossible to break out of. The average person will buy an RPG game without "looking" for an RPG. No one buys a mech game unless they are actively seeking a mech game. Even racing sims and sports games manage to sell outside of their niche better than mech games.

The only way to break out of the mech genre limitation is to add "mechs" as a side feature to a game that is mostly a FPS/RPG/steal/puzzle/etc game, like Titanfall or Metal Gear Solid.

The next biggest issue is marketing. Not just advertisements (or lack thereof) but how well a game's design and mechanics lend itself to multiplying it's appeal. Armored Core has almost no clarity in its appeal. You have to play and invest time in order to figure out what is special about it. This is the 'spin' the a marketing campaign is built around. Something like Dark Souls has very obvious appeal: It's a really hard fantasy RPG, and you get punished for dying. That's something it can claim that few games have, and an entire marketing campaign can be easily built around that because the game mechanics demonstrate it well.

AC has tried this before, but the spin was always a lot weaker. PS2 games were heavily sold on the value prop of "TONS OF CUSTOMIZATION" which few games had at that time, but as games got more sophisticated, having "400 weapons" became less of a feature. AC4 probably did it best, because just looking at a few seconds of gameplay immediately shows the appeal: pure speed. AC5's marketing campaign was actually pretty good, as it was built around the "heavy" satisfaction of physically crushing, smashing, and breaking things in multiplayer. VD's marketing was a disaster because they got rid of that and tried to make it more about the AI customization, which was so complicated that it didn't even make sense to most players, much less to people watching ads.

>>164889941
The next major problem with AC is how it is received in reviews. The learning curve makes its value proposition extremely obfuscated. When people see ads for a game but don't understand it, they look at the reviews. So while AC could survive having confusing or vague ads, it can't survive mediocre reviews.

Most reviews happen on "vertical stacks", where a reviewer will play a single level that demonstrates all the values of the game and gives the reviewer an idea how the whole game works.

AC's heavy customization and steep learning curve for skill is a problem. And worse, the more advanced the series got, the higher those skill caps are. To compensate From has made the NPCs and missions of most games comparably easier than the past games, since it's harder to quickly pick up the games when things like quickboost, PA, and KE/TE/CE damage is added, since they require more practice and knowledge to figure out.

In the PS1 demo discs, they used to have the player set up with an already fantastic mech, making it so you can play the demo right away without looking at menus first, and still see how fun it is.

This means that AC requires a lot of investment to get an accurate review of, and that means that most outlets just simply won't review it. It's noted that while many places didn't review AC4 or ACFA, after Dark Souls got some press coverage, AC5 was reviewed by many publications. This probably hurt AC more than it helped, because while they sold lots of copies of AC5, there was a lot of disappointment and poor reviews that lead to no one buying DLC or ACVD and for the online activity to drop off very fast.

>>164894226
>>164895225
So what would From Software have to do, to make the next AC, probably a reboot, a success?
If the rumors about a dark-fantasy souls-like mech game are wrong and it's a classical AC, aren't they totally screwed because the reputation of the franchise is already down the shitter?

>>164902031
Just make it dark souls but scaled up.
Honestly I could see it working. A giant open world with factions fighting each other and just stick the player in middle of it. Extra parts are gained by exploring, with bits of the world being opened up by extra parts like legs that can jump further.

It wouldn't be very good, but it'd sell.

>>164902219
What makes the souls games so successful is the amazing world and map design. I don't think you can replicate that in a mech game.
>see a pile of burning bodies in a souls game
>jesus christ what happened here
>see a pile of burning bodies in AC
>is that a camp fire?
etc

Archive time is just under an hour.

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How would you like it when From drops all the crazy wall jumping and boosting and makes the games more tactical, kinda like some ACV promo material implied.

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>>164913015
As long as I can boost up without having to jump off walls in the next title, I'll be happy

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>>164913015
I would be pretty hard right now if that was the case.

>>164913015
I fucking love this pic so much.

>>164913015

I am not sure how they would imprement Rainbow Six AC edition.

>>164903994
just scale it up and make it match the world of AC

insted of a bunch of bodies, you have big weapons or enemies "bodies" all around, for bigger impact use huge things like those arms fort you see on V and that are everywhere on VD, or more AC remains, like in the first mission of V when you go on a tunnel and see like 6-7 ACs destroyed by Fran's Father.

>>164917906

That would be fun, ganking people with ACs would be fun

Wake up people

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>>164921825
Stay woke.

>>164923018

So, have you ever done a role play save?

I don't mean RP as in tabletop, but picking a certain type of build and sticking with it

I had a cowboy build, which consisted of a shotgun, two pistols and no back weapons with quadlegs.

Shit was difficult, but I managed to beat the game with it.

>>164923325
I've never done something like that before, I have played through last raven and silent line without saving before as a pseudo roguelike.

>>164923990

>no saving

And you managed to get somewhere?

>>164924209
The main goal is to just beat the game when I do that but you know if you fuck up on the big missions then it's over and you have to restart from the beginning.

>>164924458

The urge not to fuck its what makes one fuck up

>>164926329
the reason why I havent been able to finish a touhou game with one coin.

>>164926439

I could never beat any of them

>>164926859
I have been able to beat them with a least one continue, but I have never been able to get a extra stage because of that, sometimes I realized I am doing good, and I die few seconds later.

>>164926986

Wew you have that problem too?

>>164927845
glad to know I am not the only one, it also happens to me on rhytm games

>hey I havent miss a single not for a good while
>starts missing a lot.

>>164928078

This fucked me royally during the pooh baseball game

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>>164926329
You should try it out on Silent Line, it turns it into a entirely different ass clenching experience.

>>164928185
I didnt play the game, but watched from a good distance the suffering and tears, man good times.

>>164928217
Thanks, i will check it later
>>164928431
yeah, i remember the suffering myself

>Page 9

>9

>>164930384
>Page 4

>4

>>164930687
>Page 7

>7

>>164930687

God, bumping multiple generals is a mess

>>164931626
Such is life in Armored Core General.

>>164931713

But i also share beds with the /mmg/

Its like taking care of sick children

The ACs became self aware, how do you convince them to remain on your side?

>>164932892
Show them JAVs and then tell them we are working on transferring their consciousnesses into real bodies. Being honorable Japanese warriors at heart they won't be able to refuse.

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>>164932892

I don't do anything. When's the last time a self-aware AC ever did any damage?

>>164932892
Convince them that the AC was created as a counterpart to the pilot, and likewise.

>>164917906
>>164903994
Show a school set on fire or something for heart tugging lore.
>step into a city
>suddenly little npcs scurrying away from your ac like ants

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>>164932892
I don't.

I destroy them all one by one.

>>164933760

That includes your AC as well, everyone is pulling a Nineball, you gotta chat with the machine and let her let you in

>>164902031
I think an easy way to make the next Armored Core game successful would be to make the multiplayer portion of the game free to play and grindy as fuck, then sell the single player mode, lots of exclusive AC parts, and a complete removal of the excessive multiplayer grind as one reasonably priced package.

As far as the single player goes I'd like to see a rather high budget and lengthy campaign in a setting that ramps up the post apocalyptic element of armored core with the player pilot just starting out as a random scavenger fixing up some mech, the player would start out using slower, clunkier mechs in a more souls-like open world, and the early gameplay emphasizing melee combat due to ammo scarcity, as the player progresses through the game they'd slowly gain access to more advanced, agile, firearm-heavy machines.

As the player character goes from random idiot to professional pilot the game would go from a more open world format to the classic mission based format due to the player getting hired by various entities, with the scale of missions getting larger and larger, with lots of great boss fights, I'd love for it to eventually end up in space, with unique mechanics and controls related to zero G.

It should have some generic reboot title, either Just call it Armored Core or a completely new series title, don't put off the new audience by implying it's part of a series and confusing them.


I think we can all agree that if it's just a standard AC sequel it's only going to appeal to the fanbase and sell too poorly to get another game for quite a few years.

>>164934282
That could work, add in a segment where the player serves in the infantry for an organization and we're all set.

>>164935997
I was thinking it'd be cool to have some non-mech combat as well as long as it's not the main focus.

Fromsoft pls let us eject from our mecha and keep fighting in powered armor

>>164936180

So, titanfall with better bots?

>>164936451
Nah, this would still play like AC, with massive environments, heavily customized mechs, said mechs being less disposable than titans, and the powered armor not being a huge threat to nexts flying through the sky.
It'd be just a secondary feature to more typical Armored Core gameplay, like how the single player in these games has lots of guys in powered armor and tiny shitbots trying to shoot you it'd be cool if the multiplayer had a mode with tons of players that made players who got their best machine destroyed respawn in powered armor or whatever, maybe with AI across the map, something with a much larger scale than Titanfall or the typical AC multiplayer, though a 1v1 mode should also be included.

>>164936180
>eject
>have to run through the rubble to live to fight another day

>>164936997
Chromehounds let you come back as an infantryman when you died in a match. It was kind of like when you come back as a pilot in V/VD, only it was actually useful. In V you just go straight to spectator mode or maybe take some screenshots since you can't do anything useful. In Chromehounds, information was actually really crucial, so it was common for dead players to run across the map as infantry and set up a spotting position on the hills somewhere and relay info to the other players. If they added more in depth infantry controls and weapons, and maybe the ability to commandeer the allied NPC MTs, it would basically be exactly what you're suggesting.

>>164902031
1. They would have to build a more obvious mechanical appeal for marketing and first impressions. Whether this is speed like ACFA or kicking like ACV, it needs to be obvious at a glance what makes it different from something like Titanfall, in a way that seems better.

2. They need a outside-genre appeal, beyond just the 'Mech' genre. I think Titanfall is a good example of using the shooter genre to sell a mech game. I think AC could do the same with RPGs, using more of a traditional RPG mechanic (with leveling up, items, as well as upgrades). It would change some of the things that make AC unique, but it would let it break out of the genre limitation.

3. They need a much more progressive learning curve, closer to what AC3 had. Start off with fighting easier enemies, with a weaker mech, introduce more complex mechanics later on. The first few missions should just be about how to lock on, how to walk about, etc.

I don't think the reputation of the series is bad, I think it's seen fondly, but that doesn't translate well to sales.

>>164902219
>>164903994
I don't think it would have to follow dark souls.

AC3, SL, and AC4 had mission, atmosphere, and level design on-par with Dark Souls, but that was dropped for ACFA, ACV, and ACVD.

Swarm of Red Eyes is probably the best example. It's an early mission where you focus on a single mechanic, basic targeting, Follow that up with a timed mission where you have to boost across a large distance, so players understand how to move faster. It's the equivalent of Dark Soul's Undead Asylum, where they give you an enemy and your items one at a time to focus on one mechanic without being locked into a 'tutorial'.'

>>164934282
>would be to make the multiplayer portion of the game free to play and grindy as fuck

These are the type of ideas that cause franchises to die.

AC just needs a compelling single player with an online arena mode with actual matchmaking systems instead of manually having to seek out lobbies.

There needs to be a single option for "looking for Co-Op" or "Looking for Vs" that matches you up with someone else online currently waiting, and it should stay active while you are in the garage customizing your AC.

You should be able to matched up with a lobby while the lobby is still currently in combat, and just join them after the match is over.

There should be single player missions allow for multiplayer co-op or vs by replacing NPC ACs with player characters.

Have a "number of players online" counter, too.
These are simple multiplayer mechanics that other companies figured out 15 years ago but From hasn't.

>>164939630
Delete this.

>>164940618

you happy?

Say it with me, Pope Montewells.
What a conniving dick.
>>164928217
>have to beat the submarine on the first try
Nope nope nope nope.
>>164928078
From what I know, it's a phenomenon known as "zoning."
You subconsciously slip into the zone and then you're on fire, but once you realize you're zoning, you fall out hard.
Funny enough, there's actually some statistical data taken from various sports, basketball was the prime example when I was listening to the report, which shows that the moment you think you're hottest is actually when you're playing at your worst. I'll go dig it up.

>>164928078
Okay, so the people I've played DDR with call it zoning, but in the sports world it's called "hot hand." If you've got about an hour, here's the entire episode.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/91684-stochasticity/
If you just want the part about hot hand, click on the Seeking Patterns segment and there'll be an option to stream that segment. Stop at about seven and a half minutes unless you want heartbreak.

>>164934282

>I think an easy way to make the next Armored Core game successful would be to make the multiplayer portion of the game free to play and grindy as fuck,
Pray that I never find out where you live, because I want to give you a reasonable smack across every cheek on your body for this.

penis

>>164900820
I always wondered why Interior seemed to take the Pitone out of production, because it's a really good rail gun. Was it just too expensive to produce?

>>164937234
>die
>forced to pilot an MT
genius

>>164945591
>>164937234
This would probably add a lot of unnecessary development complexity, and probably take resources away from things that really need fixed, first.

I'd rather they scaled back and focused on making a simple but fun game than try to keep pushing this whole big multiplayer clusterfuck that V and VD were, because that's how you end up with bad reviews and low sales.

Let them experiment after they've reformulated the games to something simple and high quality and easy to develop for.

>>164946040

A larger version of FA would be appreciated, instead of 2v2, 5v5 and larger groups

i just binged through and played a bunch of AC games for the first time, this series has some great fucking soundtracks

what are your favorites

>>164946670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiP2U0dnAus

nooooooooo!

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If the thread dies, we blow up the craddles

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>>164951319

>>164951319
Nope

>>164946086
A larger version of FA would be awful.

FA was terrible for multiplayer and replay ability, but it was good for marketing and first-time singleplayer playthrough.

AC3 is probably the ideal type of game they need to return to, but with an automated matchmaking system for the arena.

>>164946670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtSIiRb4Cr0

>>164956031

I liked FA, it wasn't my first AC but i liked the idea of going fast

>>164956203
FA felt fast but was really slow gameplay. It was floaty and enemies didn't move around much, and you 'hung' in the air a lot. Enemies also had lots of HP so you spent most of the game (and online) doing the same thing over and over again.

Good for first timers, but going back it feels really gimmicky and poorly designed, to me.

V/VD was a lot faster combat with tighter controls, even though you were close to the ground and didn't have insane overboost, because you were smaller and also able to kill enemies faster.

>>164932892
Tell it that I am the only person that wont try to kill it.

>>164946670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnvqcSKho5w

>>164958354
This is the plot of Zone of the Enders.

>>164958489
>ACV soundtrack
The music peaked in AC4/FA

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>>164938435
>>164941968
Why does this idea trigger you two?
Did you even read the rest of that post?

The grind would be removed by simply buying the rest of the game at the same price you'd get it for anyway, except this way the multiplayer wouldn't die months after release, a lot more people would know the game exists, and it'd sell better than any previous AC game, thus getting us more AC games and more post release patches and DLCs to improve the game.

>These are the type of ideas that cause franchises to die

No
You
Faggot

Selling an AC game to the incredibly small fanbase while not making any attempt to bring in new fans is what makes a franchise die, the whole twenty fucking people who actually care about this series are not enough to keep Fromsoft afloat.

Armored Core is thoroughly fucked if it doesn't get popular with the next game.

>>164961632
Yes

>>164946670
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ql8KgsC7vjE

DON'T YOU DIE ON ME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CP7DLsiqvo
Has anyone else seen this? Tight shit.

>>164961861
I am neither of the people you replied to and your idea sucks ass.

>>164970102
Explain why it's a bad idea if you're so sure it is, dumbass.

>>164975095
Not that guy but you're idea is so completely ass backwards from good game company practice and Armored Core design, yeah let's make AC, a part and customization intensive game, a pay-to-win. That will surely attract the masses and not send them to freak about the prices to gain parts. Making Fromsoft end the franchise permanently with that controversy.

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>>164975095

>explain why it's a bad idea

Because anytime a game goes free to play, quality drops significantly. Sure,your game "lives" but that's only assuming the casual masses will stick with it.

Now imagine this remaining on consoles, where you cant make private custom servers, and so you have absolutely no way to filter out children and BRs and F2P who have no idea how to play.

>>164956393
>VD
>able to kill enemies faster

Not with those fucking damage resistances.

>>164981325
VD damage / defense ratios are lower than FA, but there's a damage penalty for being below defenses. Most arm weapons can one-shot-kill enemies in VD as long as you don't

Enemy ACs can also be killed in under 20 seconds in VD by abusing the damage distributions. You also have UWs and tons of instant kill melee options.

In FA, you need heavy grenades or laser cannons to kill anything in one hit, or get lucky with kojima weapons to have that kind of speed.

>>164961632
ACVD DLC remixes are probably the best in the franchise though

>>164976219
Re-read the original post you fucking retard.

It wouldn't be pay to win, it'd be pay to progress at a faster rate, along with the single player and some exclusive parts.

There would be a balancing system so players don't get put in extremely unfair matches of shitbots vs gundamus, 90% of all parts in the game would be unlockable for free, it'd just take longer to get them, thus giving F2P players a reason to buy the full game with its excellent singleplayer, exclusive parts, and completely reasonable progression speed.

If you think such a system would be anything out of the ordinary and cause a huge controversy, you clearly haven't payed any attention to video games outside of AC for quite a few years.

Games like War Thunder have absurdly slow grinds, and even if you literally pay hundreds of fucking dollars, it's still virtually impossible to get everything because the progression is just that slow.
Yet that game is still successful, even with it's absurdly grindy, extremely anti-consumer business model, filled with microtransactions requiring you shovel out fifty dollars for one fucking tank, and an overpowered one at that, it has a massive player base.

THE SYSTEM PROPOSED IN THE ORIGINAL POST IS NOT THAT, IT'S MUCH MORE REASONABLE THAN THAT.

The grind even in free to play mode wouldn't be as brutal, just slow enough to be annoying, and the payed version would have players progressing at a perfectly reasonable rate.

The game wouldn't be pay to win as almost all the parts would be available to free players, and the ones that can be obtained by buying the game would hopefully be neither overpowered or underpowered, just decent parts, perhaps with some unique gimmicks.

Instead of a microtransaction system the only purchase possible would be to go from the free to play multiplayer with annoying grind, to multiplayer with no excessive grind, some neat extra parts, and the entire huge singleplayer mode described in the original post.

>>164983681
>>164976219
>>164976219
Only other thing to buy would perhaps be DLC expansion packs, which are probably gonna happen regardless of whether it has any F2P elements.
In the modern gaming industry full of much more bullshit business models, I think that would be a perfectly reasonable and profitable way of handling it.
The people who pay 60 dollars for it would get a perfectly good experience that isn't impacted at all by the business model, and the ones who play it for free have a good time but feel compelled to buy the full version to make it even better.

WHY WOULD THIS BE A BAD THING?
IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE.

>>164983681
Have you played Ace Combat: Infinity?

>>164961861

>Armored Core is thoroughly fucked if it doesn't get popular with the next game.

Being -popular- is not as important as being -profitable-. Free to Play is a great way to make your game popular without making any money, especially on consoles.

You know how Hawken was able to go F2P? Because the devs (a much, much, much smaller and cheaper dev team using Unreal engine for cheap) ran out of money and got bought out by someone else. They also relied on Unreal to keep costs low, instead of a dedicated graphics engine, which made it very homogenous and FPS-oriented experience, expected of a indie game. They released on PC, which is still niche in Japan.

You would not increase awareness by making it F2P. The multiplayer might be more "active" but each player is going to play for a less time and have less reason to buy the main game, and the company is going to lose money on all the development just to get the game started. F2P is also known for being extremely prone to cheat exploitation, requiring more patches and constant upkeep.

From has shareholders. They have a dedicated singe player console fanbase. They have expectations and an expensive dev team. They have their own game engines. They -cannot- afford to develop a half-assed F2P beta and release it on a niche platform just to make their franchise more 'popular'. The press fallout would be insane.

You had a fun idea. "What if the next AC game got popular like Hawken?" except reality just doesn't work like that.

>>164983970
Dude you have to factor in how many people are just going to stay with the F2P aspect, sure the game would live a little but if there's nothing stopping the majority of people sticking with not paying a dime. Which would hurt Fromsoft and future AC prospects, they would lose more money than gain it.
Also those War Thunder games pale in comparison to AC, why would you ever want to use the same system considering from your idea, people don't have to pay and still get more than War Thunder.

>>164984821
On top of this, a vast majority of From's customers are console gamers. Most F2P players are those who would not pay for a full priced game, and if you have purchased a $500 next-gen console, the chances of you not being willing to pay for a full priced game are pretty low. This means you're not adding fans to the fanbase, you're just trading long-time profitable fans for short-term unprofitable fans.

>>164983970
Dude you have to factor in how many people are just going to stay with the F2P aspect, sure the game would live a little but if there's nothing stopping the majority of people sticking with not paying a dime. Which would hurt Fromsoft and future AC prospects, they would lose more money than gain it.
Also those War Thunder games pale in comparison to AC, and it's not better for everyone, I don't want to grind hundreds of hours just to get the one booster or LA I want.
I'm sure most AC fans don't want to either, the traditional way to unlock parts in AC has worked for years.

>>164984925
>>164983681
>>164984821

F2P:
Revenue per user ~$0.50 (for a moderate MMO. Over $1 puts you in the top 10 with games like LoL or World of Tanks)
Profit Margin: ranges from 0 to 5%

Pay to Play
Revenue per user: ~$60
Profit Margin: ranges from 0 to 30%

That means 1 paying user represents ~60-360 F2P users.

Most AC games sell ~200,000 copies and probably have a thin margin. Do you really think that a F2P AC game would attract 12,000,000 users?

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>>164985170
Most dedicated AC fans are going to buy it full price no matter what, they're probably going to make up the majority of sales, in which case AS I'VE SAID A MILLION FUCKING TIMES IT WOULDN'T BE GRINDY FOR PEOPLE WHO GIVE UP A BIT OF MONEY ONE TIME AND SUPPORT THE GAME LIKE THEY WOULD ANYWAYS.

The AC/FromSoft fans who buy it on release or buy it after playing free for a while will probably vastly outnumber the AC/FromSoft fans who never buy it.
The free to play people mostly don't buy it but the ones who do more than make up for the few people in the series currently niche audience who don't buy it.
The player base is more active and it makes about as much money as it would have anyways.

>>164987132
Armored Core is one of the most niche franchises ever, no matter what model you choose it'll still be a smaller fanbase. Besides, a smaller fanbase is better as it cares about the subject way more, either way though it does hurt Fromsoft.

>>164987649
But we need it to be a little more popular or else they'll just make dark souls forever

>>164988067
Profitable, not popular.

>>164988067
The fanbase will just die off again to niche levels again, normals don't stay as long as us ACfags despite AC titles like AC4 and V selling well.

>>164988402
I think that most games have the same level of activity drop-off by people who buy the games, AC just doesn't retain fans between sales.

People will buy assassin's creed, play for a week, and then stop. But they'll go on and buy the next game anyway without having to be reminded it exists. Not true for AC, most people have only played one game in the franchise or wait until long after release to pick it up again, if ever.

>>164988067
Let's hope Nioh does super well and makes FromSoft afraid to do WeebSouls because Nioh already did it better, so they focus on AC and non-souls games.