/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

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game over

>>164565241
Thanks m4x2.

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>"Galactic power surge!"
>Most of my fleet is in drydock getting upgraded.
>Due to modded equipment they won't be ready for a decade (I broke up a fallen empire and had a lot of technological goodies to fit to my ships).
>Only have the reserve fleet and what is basically a Death Star that can't kill planets.
>They've spawned in my territory.
Well, this is going to be a fun exercise in guerrilla warf-
>And right next to two fallen empires.
>One of whom woke up centuries ago.
I took a few screenshots of the resultant roflstomp. Still terrified of going after the awoken empire, but we'll see what changes in ten years...
Also apologies for the screenshot for ants, I have some closeups but they're pretty crowded. This was the only one that showed both fallen attacking. Not pictured: The three Unbidden fleets the one on the right went through without a dent.

Can anyone give me a more clear idea what settling on a tile in civ 6 preserves and removes?
I know if you settle on a luxury you get it when you can work it, But other than that what are the yield caps?

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STOP

Is Stellaris good yet

>>164567178
the worst is when this shit happens as you're trying to build or settle somewhere.
I swear the bodyblock strats would be legit in multiplayer

>>164558846
Wait, there actually is some sort of signal thing in that DLC?

>>164563846
You just have to allow xenos leadership.

>>164565676
>Due to modded equipment they won't be ready for a decade
FUCKING SPLIT YOUR DOOMSTACK AND UPGRADE IT USING SEVERAL PORTS YOU DOOFUS

>They've spawned in my territory.
>And right next to two fallen empires.
Happened to me every times those shitlords showed up.

If you did not manage to snatch Matter Desintegrators from the debris you a scrub.

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comfy
Largest landmass and merlin starts on his own island

>>164567393
Until combat is revamped the answer will always be no.
Wait for ES2.

How do I start GalCiv2? Never played a GalCiv game before, what's the general approach?

>>164578439
It's exactly the same game as Civ 3, except IN SPACE.

In other words, a fairly traditional 4x. Explore, expand, exploit, exterminate. Stay friendly with xenos until you're sure you know what's going on (you don't start with boarding ship technology, so if a war starts you can't really win anyway). Expand as quickly as you can afford, so that you can develop places instead of leaving them to the alien.

'Exploit' is kinda hard in GalCiv, since the economic system is seriously counterintuitive, but if your brain is wired the right way you might be able to make sense of it.

>>164578860
>>164578439
Also note that GalCiv2 was developed before the insidious 'tall' meme corrupted the once-fun 4x genre. You are expected to nurture a galactic civilization, not micromanage the development of your home planet until auto-winning the game on a contrived victory condition for pacifists.

>>164579714
Good to know.

>>164579714
>>164578860
Thanks. I started a game with the jew looking guys who make a lot of money and are lucky. I spammed colony ships in the first dozens of turns. a space hydra destroyed one of my scouts. When should I get into ship making or military activity? What sort of research line is better for beginners?

>>164580640
Always keep enough military to dissuade attacks by your rivals. I, and many people, tend to be soft in the beginning in order to leverage research and expansion, but this game does have a lot of militaristic civs that will conquer you if they can.

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Not every game you see arcanian mithril.

Probably silver that was transmuted by one of the other wizards, they all have nature magic.

Green circles = Mithril
Blue circles = Silver

>>164584302
MY BEARD TINGLES

>>164584302
Tlaloc be loaded yo.

>>164587883
What's that? An antman?

>>164566698
Anyone? I need to improve my early game

>>164588179
Build an army to keep barbarians at bay.
Resign to everyone hating you.

>>164588429
Not what i was asking about. I know that part.

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>>164588018
pretty much

It was building a road to my city, and then wanted to build the road through my city so it attacked

>>164587883
I would play this game if you could customize enemy mages.
SO I can play low fantasy with weak spells and weak summons.

>>164592085
I can recommend Dominions 4, but it relies way too much on magic for you.

>>164592085
could mod the game

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Any news when Stellaris new patch gonna be?

>>164592257
Late era is with less magic

Why isn't there a mod for Civ VI that arranges and balances the production costs yet?

>>164596181
The SDK isn't out yet (and will probably never be released, as the current gamedev meta is to make money on DLC), so it's pretty hard to do modding.

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>>164597842

So that means Civ VI is already doomed.

Ok everybody, back to the game you where playing before Civ VI. Nothing more to see here.

>>164598362
The good thing is that now I look even more forward for ES2 and expansions for Stellaris.

>>164598362
Back to Distant Worlds?
Please no, I have a life.

For space games, do you prefer grid-based or node-based maps?

>>164598362
>go back to kotor 2 and witcher 3
But I have over 400 hours of playtime on each one.

>>164598767
>>164599289

Go play Endless Legend, TW Warhammer, Alien Isolation, Dark Souls, Stellaris or some other game then.

Civ VI aint even close to be one of the decent games of 2016.
And now we may not even get to mod it to make it bearable. It's doomed if this turns out to be right.

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>>164599221
It depends on the rest of the design. If there is nothing out there other than points of interest (such as star systems), and all the action happens inside of them, then there's probably no point having a grid. If you want to have a tactical game where positioning matters in the same way as Civ, then use a grid.

At this point, though, it's clear that most space game 4x players are low-end people who want an RPG with a thin veneer of strategy. For them, a realtime (pausable) game is best, and for that you may as well use continuous space.

>>164599221
Haven't played enough of them, but maybe a grid could make them more interesting. The expanding part seem pretty lacking in space 4x compared to other 4x and maybe if they were more designed around grid that could be fixed.

>>164599713
>Alien Isolation
No.

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>>164600084
>maybe if they were more designed around grid that could be fixed.
Why do you believe that grids encourage expansion?

>>164600358
Not encourage, improve.

Colonization in nodes is a matter of y/n, there's no placement of your city to see where you can fit it in and which materials you can grab, which potential future city you may block by placing that city, and how the overlapping affects your other cities negatively.

so I just bought distant worlds on sale a few days ago and I simply cannot get it working, it just crashes when I try to start it.

is this a common problem with a solution or should I just get a refund?

>>164602657
Check the forum, it runs flawlessly for me.

>>164602657
Post spec.

Why is it in Vox Populi my people are always in poverty and have high crime rates? I never have illiteracy or boredom. Is the happiness requirement scaling just shit?

>>164602657
If Direct X SDK isn't installed, the game won't run. Go to redist folder in game directory and click DXSETUP.exe, do it manually.

Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer must be installed and activated in Windows Components.

>>164604289
>Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer
Kinda like Freelancer and Rise of Legends?

>>164603853
Probably you should build walls and markets.

>>164604410
never played any of those, but I know that Distant Worlds engine uses these programs.

>>164606180
Prioritizing gold or even defenses does little. No matter what I focus on, I'm always perfectly fine with culture and science and always behind in defense and gold. The only exception are cities that just happened to be net to a lot of gold producing tiles which help alleviate poverty. I'm surprised this hasn't happened to you in most of your games.

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>>164599759
What game?

>>164606769
Galactic Civilizations II.

>>164606667
>Prioritizing gold or even defenses does little.
It's not only about prioritizing, you have to build Aqueduct line of buildings to reduce poverty threshold and military buildings to reduce crime threshold. Raising yields won't do much on its own.

>>164599759
>>164606956
This doesn't look like gal civ II.
Not with all this hyperlanes.

>>164608721
Oh shit, my bad. Wrong picture. I don't know that other game.

>>164601548
In space games, you already know where your cities go. On planets and asteroids. This whole city placement set of mechanics you're talking about is only relevant in ground-based games like Civilization.

>>164609896
Yes.
Which is why the expanding element of a 4x set in space isn't nearly as interesting as they are in 4x set not in space.
At least so far. For example if you had a grid you could use a different system in a space 4x that mimics city placement of non space 4x.

I really fucking wish that UI enhancements have high priority in Stellaris. Choosing what species colonizes a planet is fucking horrible with the dropdown menu that has no filters.

>>164613467
That's your punishment for allowing a degenerate xenophiliac ethnic divergence galore on your worlds.

Paradox are just doing G-d's work here.

>>164613889
Exavtly why I am only settling militaristic humies instead of the hippies. But its quite frigging hard to find that fucking planet with them thorugh the screen.

>stardock has gone full paradox with dlc
where do I download the dlc for free and how is galciv 3 so far? worth playing yet?

>>164615224
no

Any must have mods for stellaris?

>>164616906
Not really. Most of them, despite the supposed addition of "new stuff" and overhauls are essentially just flavor and breaking of already far from perfect balance.

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>Trying out cultists.
>Working on faction quest.
>Quest tells me to go kill wild walkers cap.
>Yes sir mr. quest.
>Broken lords between me and them.
>Wild walkers have piss for military, but BL is a powerhouse right now.
>Get together the resources to create a small army of super archers all with the quest accessory.
>Expensive as fuck but managed to get a shit load of titanium and glassteel from drakken because they were so fucking terrified of me they made a peace offer.
>Steamroll BL with my archers who hit for nearly 200 damage (and that's BEFORE the buff from the preacher mind you).
>BL was warring with wild walkers when I came up and stomped him with the queen's fist.
>Now the faction that I have to raze off the face of auriga is now viewing me as their savior.
>Also is at peace with the drakken, which means they like me even more now.
I feel fucking terrible.

Is there any benefit to choosing Deneb over Sol, or Sol over Deneb?

>>164618714
>ain't no place like home
>Deneb has some bitching names

>>164620956
Right, but Deneb is a larger planet, right?

Once Horizon Signal concludes, does Deneb get more habitable worlds?

>>164618714
>not making your own faction
I've literally never played any of the default factions and I have no idea why you would.

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Ssra just moved some trolls over to arcanus.

I'm two turns away from being able to building warships that I will then cast Flight on, otherwise my armies are basically just nomad/high men bowmen, some with magical bows, and two flying storm giants.

>>164621542
I did make my own faction -- I just want to know if there's a tangible benefit to using one of the pre-established systems.

>>164602994
found some steam discussions with similar problems, saw all sorts of solutions but none of them worked for me
>>164603085
it's a fairly new laptop with windows 10
>>164604289
all of those are installed (even installed using the .exe in the steam folder to be sure)

guess I'll try reinstalling

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>>164626267
>windows 10

>>164626932
it just works :^)

I am fond of 4x

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>>164630661
shut the fuck up you stupid elf girl

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>>164630661
>subhumans
>posts an onahole

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needs a name

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>>164635362
Uncle Adolf

>>164635362
Sir Fisty

>>164635362
>armsmaster
name him Master Baiter

>make carriers in stellaris
>fps starts to crawl when they attack

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Need another name

I'd like some caster heroes, but Noble is nice right now. Noble means he has no upkeep and gives me gold instead.

>>164641073
Osama Bin Laden

or just Osama if too long.

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>>164641728

>>164641828
Fucking perfect

>buy Endless Space 2
>no idea what I'm doing
>okay let's try these black-glowing space women they sound cool
>okay I can't colonize, I need to build arks
>how do I build more arks to expand
>okay I can't build anymore yet
>holy fuck information overload
>this game is making me feel like I'm retarded
>exit out after one round out of embarrassment
welp

>>164642462
>Picking the most mechanically unique faction to start with when you have no idea what you're doing
Play Sophons or United Empire

Holy shit are AoW3 units fragile

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what is the most comfy 4x of them all?
I'm talking hot hot coco under a blanket, just micromanaging such trivial shit the game moves at a snails pace, comfy. has to be open ended for maximum cozy

>>164643338
Civ5 on King I guess

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Filling up on heroes fast.

Name for this guy?

5/6 hero slots filled with him so no more heroes after that unless they die or are dismissed.


Wind Walking means that the entire stack moves as if it is flying on the overworld btw.
There's a sorcery spell buff that adds it to units and one unit that has it(Djinn)

>>164641828
whats in mean anyway? Does it mean the? Because it should be Osama the Lad

>>164644014
Pinochet

>>164644252
bin means son of

>>164644014
>wind walking
Muhammad

>>164642462
Vodyani are probably my favorite so far.
Spiritual successor to one of the best fantasy factions of all time? Cool as fuck colonizing mechanic? Purge the heretics? Sexy as fuck chicks? What's not to like?

A few important details about arks:
>The cost for an ark is always your essence cap.
>Improvements are bound to the Ark, not the system its in.
>Because of this you can't build planet specializations since everything is ark.
>Each pop on the ark counts as a pop for each planet, meaning if you have two pop each colonizable planet has two pops each.
>A hero put onto an ark fleet is put as its system's governor, and if you put them as governor they become the ark captain should you pack up.
>Arks do NOT give a shit about enemy influence. You can put one right next to a UEF homeworld and it will happily stick itself onto that system.
>There are support modules unique to the ark that give flat system boosts, so if you have a specific system in mind for an ark you can customize an ark for that specific system.
>Arks ONLY need essence or strategic resources should you choose to upgrade. No industry.
>They also only need one turn to complete.
>Ark colonies can be killed off both the traditional way of invasion or just killing the ark itself.
>However arks can be reclaimed in the system is destroyed.
Probably more shit about them to be found but that's what I gleaned from my first playthrough.

Its a really fucking neat mechanic that seems broken as fuck until you realize that unlike other races where colonization becomes easier as they expand Vodyani actually slows down a LOT as they expand. I don't care how much dust you're raking in for alms 500 flat increase per previous ark hurts.
Now talking about ES2, does anyone know what specifically governs your influence/sensor range? Is it one resource in particular or just net worth of a system?

>>164644458
>son of
eh, good enough

>>164644493
The Influence output of the system since it was colonized.

>>164644493
>>164644591
Oh, also
>Using alms as your main source of essence generation
>Not abducting minor factions and other factions for essence

>>164644719
Well I thought bullying minor factions early on was a given but ok.
When borders start being established and you're not looking to have everyone breathing down your neck alms are really your only option.
Also neutral ships are a pain in the ASS.

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I've seen three tiles with adamantium in Sss'ras realm.
Three mithril tiles as well.

Luckily one of the adamantium ore tiles was only connected to a troll city which can't make use of it.

microing transport ships with this combat system is the most annoying shit ever in Stellaris

>>164644978
Well, you'd normally assimilate minor factions for their bonuses and a system. Vodyani are different in that you want to keep it unassimilated so you can abduct them for essence.

>>164567629
I know that feel, Victoria was attacking my smallest city and support couldn't arrive because Teddy thought that was a perfect moment to convert me.

Is there a point on building factories on close cities or is it just a waste of time?

>>164643338
Egypt in Civ V, build wonders and increase culture until you unlock Autocracy and Gunboat diplomacy, then send strong troops to every city state's borders and finally win the world leader election.

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Just passing by to say that a single Commander can destroy all your civilizations in a few turns.
Yes, even yours, Stellaris players.

>>164654790
Hows the space supremacy in Supcom? Only played the first one and it made it seem that they rely on their gateways to plop ACU in enemy planet and have it go wild.

>>164654790
>500 mm
>281.1 km/h
>/h
Lad, Aurorafags literally start with 5000 km per SECOND missiles. That's their starter missile. And don't get me started on high fantasy mods or custom mods.

>>164654874
I don't think theirs much in the way of space travel out side of basic interplanetary stuff, since like you said, the majority of travel is done through Quantum Gateways. Though I imagine designing and manufacturing a competent planetary defense fleet wouldn't be too hard since the factions in game can whip up Battleships, Aircraft Carriers, 1000 meter tall mech, and city-sized flying saucers in a couple of minutes.

>>164655264
>1000 meter tall
Sounds incredibly fucking weak to basic gravity magic.

>>164655339
It probably uses the same anit-gravity bullshit that makes the giant flying saucer stay up in the air, so I guess the question would be how much could it's anti-grav engine hold up against said gravity magic.

>>164655481
The giant saucer could concieveably just be a gyrating disc with a series of pointed ram jet engines, but my point was less squashing it and more making it fall off-balance.

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>>164655682
Why wouldn't you want it to crash?

>>164656076
It'd be easier to make it fall off balance than to just squash it
Humans can stand up in fivefold gravity and even walk but waving their arm is very likely to make them fall over halfway through.

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I like that game, because it fucking makes sense. In a lot of strategy games, you start your campaign with shitty low-tier units, and you unlock them.

That game fully makes sense of that, as if a general is less experienced than the units he commands, they'll lose morale. So a new general will always have inexperienced units.

>>164656225
>That game fully makes sense of that, as if a general is less experienced than the units he commands, they'll lose morale
...literally where the fuck are you getting this retarded shit from? A legendary general who's won in seemingly impossible positions multiple times or has a reputation for only fighting when he's certain of victory obviously gets a morale boost but the entire point of actual professionals is that they won't be horribly affected by a new general, since that general is supposedly qualified if the higher ups put him there.
Your system is some kind of retarded 800 AD personal levy shit, like if the general is more experienced his troops magically get better.

>>164656447
You don't seem to understand how that game works.
Generals aren't generated, you promote them yourself. So it's perfectly possible to name a guy who's completely inept.

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I really like Seven Kingdoms 2, because it's perfectly possible to have a ninja as your king.

>>164656685
>it's perfectly possible to name a guy who's completely inept
So what you're telling me is that the soldiers have no confidence at all in you, the leaderhip I was talking about? Morale penalties for generals on a losing streak? Sensible. Morale penalties for new generals who don't have some sort of trait that actually reduces morale explictly? Retarded.

>>164657962
There's no losing steak. Just combat and leadership stats.

>>164658027
And what you're telling me is that a new general gets an explicit penalty to his troop quality? How does that make sense? Explain to me why the general cannot be assigned to your Legio I which has been through hundreds of battles and is full of hardened warriors.

>>164658125
>And what you're telling me is that a new general gets an explicit penalty to his troop quality?
What the fuck.
No, what I'm saying is that if a normal soldier is more experienced than your general, he'll lose morale and eventually desert or betray you.
Morale doesn't impact the unit's combat efficiency.

>>164658190
>No, what I'm saying is that if a normal soldier is more experienced than your general, he'll lose morale and eventually desert or betray you.
And explain to me how the actual fuck that makes sense? A piss-shit rifleman or swordsman who's been to a lot of battlefields decides that because the general is on his first or second campaign, the soldier will betray you?

>>164659260
You make me wonder if I'm bad at explaining or if you're just dense.
That sounded pretty intuitive when I played the game, yet you insist on not understanding it.

>>164660068
Maybe I'm tired, but I seriously see no valid reason why a 'new' general would somehow get deserted by experienced soldiers.

>>164660068
Different anon here. I understand it perfectly. It's just a fucking stupid system.

>>164660521
Because if the soldier is more experienced than the general, he'll start getting jealous.

>>164651226
The funny part about assimilation is that its actually possible to overassimilate and kill off an entire planet just by sucking up its life force.
Leech vessels have no combat capabilities either, so imagine the BM in multiplayer where after destroying all of an opponent's military they just spam leeches over their homeworld.

>>164654790
>shit ground mech
>destroying anything

>500mm shells
>powerful

Keep dreaming fag.
One tier 1 Aurora ship would annihilate that fucker without taking any damage.

God damn, Civ VI is terrible.

Fuck, eating cyanide and shoving barbwire into your ass with a salt dipped mace while watching The King of Queens is more fun than this.

When will they start doing anything knew that actually give some form of replayability?

>>164668313
Is there any reason to play it over EL or Civ IV?

>tfw playing galciv3
>tfw having fun
Genius AI is putting up a halfway decent fight, but is still too easily convinced to halt a war.

>declare war on iconians for a few planets despite them being 'way stronger'
>take two planets, but decide ceasefire is a good idea when I see one of their fleets that can obliterate every single ship I have without taking any damage at all
>just give them a bunch of my worthless ships and they agree to stop.
I'm doing this against the Yor now, except they declared war on me and I'm actually beating them.

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>Less than 20% of the people who bought EL beat it on the easiest difficulty possible.
Jesus.

>>164670943
Probably they started a map so big that they got bored before finishing it

>>164669101
Fuck no, even sticking with Civ V is a better choice for now

Is it better to be a Fanatic Individualist and not worry as much worry about ethics divergence, or a Collectivist/Spiritualist so that when it does happen, it's more easily reversed?

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>>164670943
Its probably for the same reason people dont finish a Total War campaign
They just become to powerfull and just stop because the ai poses no threat whatsoever anymore

Paradox has to add espionage to stellaris some time so how would you guys want them to handle it.

>>164593575
Nope

>>164673430
The same thing happened to me in a stellaris play. I have 2/3 of the galaxy, manage to destroy the FE, stopped a AI rebellion of over 400 synts and the rest of the galaxy are a couple of militarist/xenophobes and a federation builder. I only need to colonize a couple more of worlds and i'll win, but i can't get bored to do it, i find more appealing to start a new game with another galaxy

>>164673749
Thats stellaris's everything problem honestly.
You just get huge and everything becomes incredibly boring because stellaris has complete shit for lategame.

>>164670943
I played 3 campaigns at Endless Legend. Never finished any, always got bored.

>>164673430
Exactly.

>>164669101
Nope.

EL is superior in every way unless you're a history fag, then you should rather play EU IV if you dont mind it not being a 4X.

I'm not gonna touch a Civ game until they add something really knew and interestning and not small stuff like districts and civics which are just small bonus numbers. I want something that really alters the way its played.

Give USA something like CIA, NSA and FBI and sabotage other peoples tech or steal it or give insight information. Give Russia something like KGB where it can assassinate important people. Make us assign historic persons to different positions in our empire like foreign affairs, scientists, generals etc... And make KGB able to kill some without anyone knowing how they died etc... Ofc other people need this ability too so you cant know for sure its KGB but make them excell at it for example.

Give us something to really differentitate the countries instead of some units and wonders with minor stat changes. FUCK!

But alas, this will trigger political correctness and SJW retards who wont allow fun to be had.

>>164675049
>SJW retards who wont allow fun to be had.
Just give the white ones the worst stats while everything else is superman :^)

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plz stop

>>164578439
Get war declared on you for being "weak." Crush the AI with ease after you realize that AI strength calculations include pathetic defense ships that orbit their planets that they have a fuck ton of.

Question. Is there a way to mod in flag emblems, patterns and colours and still be able to earn achievements on Ironman mod for Stellaris ? I want to mod in a Union Jack or a crown so I can make a British space Empire type thing.
Thank you in advance.

>or higher
Damn

I am fond of pigs

>>164670943
It was on sale, bundled with other games.

>>164643338

Any of the Paradox games.

Or city builders.

>>164643338
Crusader Kings 2.
aka
Incest Simulator.

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>>164643338
Have you ever looked at banished? Not a 4x though.

>>164682867
>every fucking time I played this game
>a revolt before the first year ends
NOT COMFY

>>164643338
If you really want to have a comfy micromanage game, then Victoria 2, Anno 1404 and Cities Skylines.

If you want comfy micromanageable 4X then maybe Endless Legend or Distant Worlds at slowest speed setting.

EL is micromanagable as in always utilizing your troops doing quests and searching caves, replacing citizens in one of the 5 categories for maximum utilization (Food, Industry, Dust, Science and Influence), spying everywhere and watch what all the other players/AI do.

But I guess you want more of a slow real time 4X, then Stellaris and DW is one of the few.

Is there a point on building workshops/factories on close cities or is it just a waste of time?

>>164683327
The question is; Is there a point to play a shitty stillborn game with no possible bright future whatsoever?

>>164683230
>Anno 1404

Anno 2205 is even comfier.

>>164683818
>uplay

>>164682867
>>164682621
He asked for 4x games

>>164684218
Those games are 4x by definition

Why does Brazil get great person bonuses in Civ VI? Has anyone from Brazil really contributed that much to the world?

>>164684367
No they are not

>>164684725
Pedro had contacts with a lot of great people apparently.

>>164684367
They're grand strategy games. If you try to speak about them here, /gsg/ will barge in and spam about willy wankers.

>>164684858

>eXplore
>eXpand
>eXploit
>eXterminate

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>>164683818

Anno 2205 is maximum shit though.

Anno 1404 Gold is the king, but if the future is your thing, then Anno 2070 is miles above 2205.

>>164684725
Read up on leaders kiddo

>>164685056
Don't fall for the bait people.
Just dont.

Anyway, here's a you.

>>164685202

It's maximum comfy.

Also, opinions.

>>164685202
What about The Guild, then?

>>164685056
Grand strategy generally don't have eXpand. You can argue that Eu4 has an extremely basic version of it through colonization that is something that you can disregard entirely for most nations. Settling new cities in civ falls under eXpand, effectively creating new control points, taking cities from your opponents falls mainly under eXterminate.


>>164685358
baits are bumps.

>>164685524
It's a oversimplified Anno: Excel Sheet edition.

Each of the things you do in it is on its own "plane" where each of the "planes" kinda share number with each other.

Anno where about city building, trade routes, supply lines, prodiction and growing.

2205 is just an extremely boring version of Offworld Trading Company (which is actually a good game).

I just hope they return to what made Anno 1404 so great after all the shitty (and justified) reception 2205 got.

But good for you that you liked it, but I was hoping for a Anno game when they make a Anno game.
I'm not against new ideas and new angles, just shitty ideas and no angles.

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WEW

>civ vi has less brown people in it
fucking patriarchical white firaxis

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>>164687745
Holy moly! What a huge nose!

I could park both my dick and all of Russia in there!

>>164688497
master of magic looks really fun. ive never played it, is the AI actually a challenge?

the only ai that's ever given me a run for my money was galciv 2s.

>>164688621
>is the AI actually a challenge?
Not really.
Seems to be improved in the insecticide patch at least. That's what I'm blaming my loss on anyways.
Probably in other fan patches as well.

>>164688621
It's okay.

So how is Civ 6 difference from launch?

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>>164688950
if Civ VI was a 4/10 at release, its maybe a 4.5/10 now.

Just wait till the second expansion. Ya know, the Firaxis cycle.

>>164680674
David Cameron spotted

I am fond of Jadwiga

>>164643338
Distant Worlds
>Disable all victory conditions
>Disable "Shakturi" story events (these are most uncomfy)
>Maybe disable disasters if you feel occaisional super-pirates are out of comfy bounds
>Increase tech costs to some absurdly high number
>Start @ pre warp
>Spend an entire day just barely getting your spess mans into a "ready to explore shit" state
>Spend several more days fumbling about trying to explore and expand with rubber band powered ships and potato guns
>Build shit everywhere just because
>While all this is happening you can just chill and watch frieghters derp about delivering spess crack and pornography to all these stations you built

>>164688950
I would say its actually gone from 4.5 to closer to 6 already.

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I am fond of true space waifus.

>>164694890
I want a Morgawr type and Forgotten type of faction for ES2.

A stealthy/invisible annoying faction that steals your resources and tech while killing of citizens that you always have to be afraid of because you'll never know when he's coming.
>teleport behind you
>unsheath katana

Also, would be great to have a faction that could control the pirates with the use of influence and dust.

I guess I should go play EL instead, I just hope that the factions for ES2 get's more flavor and cool traits than what they have right now in the early access.

>>164695141
Vodyani are a fairly unique faction. I'm hoping that we get a cultists faction though.

Also it should be interesting to see how the harmony work if they're even implemented as a major faction.

>>164695141
>would be great to have a faction that could control the pirates with the use of influence and dust.
You mean like Cultists?
>own one system
>razed planets spawn pirate base in system instead
>these work like arks but can't be attacked until system is colonized
>pirate base give little bit of resources and spawn pirate ships for you occasionally
>base can be leveled to give more stuff and defend itself better
Is there any space game where you can play as pirates or migrant fleet? I know in DW you can play as pirate but that's it.

>>164695141
You can already buy pirate mercenary units in ES2 and make them appear factionless with a tech.

>>164697162
>Is there any space game where you can play as pirates or migrant fleet?
Well, there's always star wars: empire at war, forces of corruption.

>>164697725
That pirate faction was so fucking overpowered as well. Fighters with shields strong enough to tank capital ship fire and those fucking mass driver cruisers with shield pen rounds and absolutely insane hp. Their flagship could just legitimately oneshot anything smaller than the other factions flagships, and lets not forget that disgusting palace building that shittershattered their supposed drawback of being really expensive elite units by making more dosh than anything else in the game while being spammable.

>>164697568
I guess I basically want a sci-fi version of EL with all its cool and vastly different faction gimmicks.

Are spices not a luxury resource or why do I not get amneties from them? I even removed & rebuilt the tile improvemnt for it but it the game keeps refusing me amneties.

>>164698510
It has been like that since release.

The bugs will be fixed for people who buy the future expansions.

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>>164511956
This happened a while back but I forgot to post it.

Neutral nature oriented monsters overran and razed it.
Didn't have much to defend this time.
Gave up on real defense for that city after the werewolves came by that I could barely damage with non magical weapons.

>>164693361
this does sound comfy

>>164700798
What a shame.

>>164693361
So it's like watching the worlds slowest soap opera?

>>164698472
ES2 already takes a lot from EL. The interface, how research is done, the way skill trees work. It does plenty of stuff in its own right like that fucking awesome senate system and the way trading and colonies work now, but it feels a lot more inspired by EL than the original ES, so we're probably going to see our fair share of gimmicky factions in the future.

Keep in mind there's still like five major factions yet to be seen, and only one is effectively confirmed (vaulters), so there's plenty of potential for gimmicks out the ass. We've already seen through the Vodyani that they're not shy about going full crazy.

>>164703019
You'd know the research tree is actually being worked on to be more like ES1, if you followed the news.

I like the tech tree in ES1 better than EL for giving more choices, BUT each of the techs im EL have a lot more impact on the gameplay.

What I want the most is a group of factions that are as diverse as in EL. Playing Morgawr, Forgotten, Cultist, Broken Lords and Necrophages feels like 5 very different games even from turn 1.

The factions in ES1 had almost no diversity. I'm hoping they take what we loved from EL and turn it up to 11 with a dash of ES flavor.

Give us 10 brand new, but just as impactful faction gimmicks like we have in EL, but dont copy them.

I'm not a fan of 6's religion. I feel like every few games or so I end up next to some culture like india and all of the sudden there's 300 missionaries rushing my cities. If my own religion is even slightly lacking I can't do shit about it due to sheer attrition. I just have to sort of declare war and start murdering missionaries and becoming pretty much an instant super warmonger. It's not like its unstoppable or anything its just really annoying

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>>164646482

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Sending a flying warship with a settler over to Myrror claim the adamantium.
Luckily Sss'ra hasn't claimed all of Myrror yet.

>>164706658
I'm sure getting banished is painful.

>>164707684
It's pretty painful.

If I were banished I would be without magic for 29 turns.

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>>164686098
>tfw you preordered 2205 because you could even consider them dumbing it the fuck down
Thanks fuck for refunds.

>>164715221
SSS'ra: Omg forward settle reported

>>164715221
How early you storm lair and nodes?
What units you use to get them?

>>164715426
>forward settle reported
wat? people actually do that?

>>164716395
Well I denounce people who forward settle me so...Kinda?

>>164716482
I am fond of forward settling.

>>164716672
[Denounce]
(They just plain don't like you!)

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>>164716160
It depends a lot on the terrain and my setup.

This game I started taking some nodes as soon as I had a my first storm giant summoned basically.

With 11 sorcery tomes I could start with summon storm giant and Flight, so after I summoned the giant and I cast flight on him.
That way sorcery nodes that were protected by nagas and phantom creatures were easily taken care of. Shoot as many down as I had ammo. Hold space until combat ends in a draw, then next turn do the same as the node was cleared.

In my last 11-life game I didn't clear a node until extremely late in the game because I was kinda squished.


Ranged fliers are good for most nodes.

It's best to scout the node with some kind of unit to know the exact contents of the node.
You may read that node contains Great Wyrms, and then think that you can fly in with your super hero, but then it could contain 5 great wyrms and 4 spiders and your hero gets webbed and killed in the first turn of combat.


Pic shows from my last game when I attacked a node with 8 elven lords(I think they were all Elite with magical weapons) and a ranged hero.

The sky drake killed 2 units of elven lords in the second round of combat iirc, and then it tried to maneuver over to my hero, but I kept blocking its path so the drake tried to move around the elven lords.

Elven Lords are top tier normal units.
If I was able to web the sky drake and bring it down to the ground my elven lords could've probably taken care of it.
Sky Drakes are incredibly dangerous if they get to do the initative though since they then deal 20 armor piercing damage before the normal combat exchange occurs, this kills a lot of units in their entirety before they get to retaliate.

Chaos Nodes are generally the easiest end game while Nature and Sorcery Nodes may have compositions that you may have to suffer great losses to break down.

Is Civilization a Turn-Based Strategy game?

>>164721280
Yes

>>164721280
>Strategy
lmao

>>164721371
Would you recommend it to somebody who enjoyed Nintendo/Intelligent Systems's TBS games?

>>164722045
You mean fire emblem or advance wars?

Fire emblem no
advance wars probably no, I imagine you could look at a few screens and maybe a short video to get the idea if you'd like it or not

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>>164722045
NOPE.

>>164722997
>>164722683
What's the difference between them and Civ?

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>>164723313

Tell me what games you played.

>>164723513

Okay, but strap in: It might be shallow, but it's still long:


Super Mario 2(Dokidoki), 3, World 1 and 2, 64DS, Sunshine and Galaxy

Every Zelda except 1, 2 and Seasons.

Every Metroid except Primes 2 and 3.

Kirby's Air Ride, Nightmare in Dreamland, and Super Star Ultra.

Star Fox 64 and Assault

Mega Mans 1 to 6, along with all four Zero games.

All the GBA Final Fantasy ports, as well as FF7.

All four Advance Wars games.

Every Fire Emblem except 1 and 2.

Half Life 1, 2, 2.1 and 2.2, as well as Portal and TF2.

All the Ace Attorney games.

Sonic 1, 2, 3, Adventure 1, Adventure 2, and Heroes.

Halos 1, 2 and 3.

FEAR

And Danganronpa 1 and 2.

And that's about all I can think of at the moment.

>>164724313
Oh yeah, forgot Steins Gate and Call of Duty: Black Ops for the Wii.

>>164724313
just torrent civ 5 or whatever and see if it suits you, cause I dont see any of those that are even somewhat related to civ.

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>>164724313
>Nintendo/Intelligent Systems's TBS games
Are Super mario TBS?
For fuck sake anon.
>Advance Wars
>FF do you play Tactics?
>FE
Well.
No. Civ is no similar. Is 4x game - you start with one city/settler, explore world, build more cities, fight barbarians and other players, upgrading cities and terrain around it and then take over the world or send your guys into space.
So no.
>Advance Wars
Look into Open General(free clone of Panzer General II). II WW(more with mods) with plenty of campaigns, units that you can upgrade and can gain levels and unique perks and permanent army that follow you from battle to battle
>Fire Emblem
Battle Brothers - its EA so beware. You lead company of merc and slaughter orcs, goblins undead and bandits for profit. Level up guys and collect best merc and unique weapons and armors.
Battle for Wesnoth - fantasy version of Panzer General
>FFT
Look Tactics Ogre

>>164724924
Can you think of any games that I would like?

>>164725140
I didn't say I played Tactics. Heck, I actually dropped Tactics before getting through the tutorial chapter.

Are there any exquisite stellaris mods?

>>164723313
Civ is like Advance Wars except you only get to fight 2-3 battles per game, and in between those you have to perform a tedious optimization task that doesn't even involve your opponents.

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>>164726240
>>164726240
>I didn't say I played Tactics. Heck, I actually dropped Tactics before getting through the tutorial chapter.
Then fuck off.

Is this a good game for somebody who enjoyed Dominions 3/4?

>>164726729
where the fuck did my meme arrow go
>I have 2,271

>>164726859
Sure

>>164726950
Kay.

Which one should I download?

>>164726729
>whataboutism
Just because he's poor doesn't mean that you aren't deplorable for having low income.

>>164727323
tu quoque is actually a pretty good counterargument in this case, because poor and wealthy are relative terms. Nobody would deny that Tang or Song China were extremely wealthy, but both of them pale in comparison to 1850 Britain.

>>164723313
Civ games are full blown strategy, while FE - tactics.
I guess you can try King's Bounty: The Legend. It has a lot of tactical battles and, unlike Heroes of Might and Magic, you are not limited in time.
Silent Storm is about tactics (just get a GoG version if you plan to buy/pirate it), where you play as a party of particular people and level them up.
X-Com is tactics, but has a strategic management outside of missions.
Valkyria Chronicles is tactics, but is a lot more anime than aforementioned examples.

>>164708542
If I take your magic off, will you die?

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>>164726729
>AI gets mad at me for competing with city states
>We're both at 2 envoys

>>164730773
I've considered X-Com, but I'm kinda autistic and don't really like games without stories.

As for Valkyria Chronicles, every time I download it, all it does is redirect me to the Steam purchase page.

>>164731065
To be honest that sounds about right, since it means that whoever gets another envoy faster gets the Suz bonus.

>>164731065

>Trajan bitches at me for not expanding on turn 20
>Norway bitches at me for having a weak navy when he's hogging the coast
>Ghandi would rather see me die than defend myself
>Barbarossa goes full autistic screeching for helping city states half way across the map
>Peter wonders why I don't have ten culture buildings and six wonders in the ancient era
>My army will NEVER impress Cleopatra
>ANY religious motherfucker giving me shit for not being able to participate in their autistic win condition because of cheating

Somehow I prefer it when I got denounced for ambiguous reasons rather than retarded ones.

>>164735923
Just play Civ IV desu

>>164735923
Just play Civ V desu

If I'm trying to convert alien subjects to my ethics do I want their divergence to be positive or negative?

>>164735923
Just play Civ VI desu

>>164735923
Just play Civ VII desu

>>164735923
Just play Civ BE desu

>>164737415
talex

>>164737526
desu desu desu desu

>>164737526
Don't be silly now.
Alpha Centauri still does it better.

>>164739015
These >>164737415 >>164737486 >>164737526 posts are ironic.

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>>164739287

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>>164739287
No shit?

>>164739441
>>164739891
talex

I am fond of white genocide.

>>164740451
Aren't you supposed to be dead, Malcolm X?

>>164703854
You'd know the new ES2 tech tree works the same as before and is just rearranged to look different If you followed the news and looked carefully at screenshots.

>>164740489
Man, how do you go from Malcolm X to Deray?

>>164745603
Because Malcolm X is ultraviolent and a commie.

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Whats the logic in Aurora that you cant mount railguns on turrets?

>>164745927
Balance issue. It would render gauss cannons obsolete.

Im sure there is some lore explanation tho.

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How is CiV VI so far compared to release?

>>164748910
Shit in a paper bag.
Leave it in the sun, in the middle of summer, for two days.
That's Civ VI right now.

>>164748910
I hope they will try something new and fresh with Civ VII, because Civ VI is just so avarage and brings nothing new to the table, it's almost like a Civ 5 expansion pack

>steam suggests Supreme Commander
>because I played a lot of Forged Alliance
Cute.

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>still no good Star Wars strategy game
>or even Star Trek
>or even anything based on a sci-fi show or movie

>>164565676
When this happened to me first time a whole colony of robots suddenly left their planet - then the energy surge happened, i thought it was the AI rebellion but then I was very disappointed to see I was actually being annihilated by purgists.

Actually I won against them with an 80k fleet fairly quick, against 2x 50k of their fleets actually 3 of them but third only came when portal was almost done.

40 battleships with giga or mega canons ( depends on what you had researched ) with large kinetic artillery and one L marauder missile
Destroyers ( 80 - 100 ) with 2 medium whirlwind missiles and 2 S autocannons

And I also used 100 - 130 corrvettes for junk dmg sunking - but not because I needed them - I already had them built so what I did to make them somewhat useful was to give them 1x neutron torpedo - because of the long ranged energy bypass potential before they died.

But anyway If I needed damage sinkers I would make cruisers at that point instead of corvettes.

This build means they're dead fairly quick, just rush towards them really quick - alternatively if they had time to build up just lure their ships with another fleet and go straight for portal.

>>164754729
I can only think of Battle of Middle Earth 1, 2 and Dune 2000 as the only good "based on books/movies/comics/show" strategy games.

I didnt like Empire at War, found it to be way too simple and boring.

BUT I'm more fond of new and original lore when it comes to strategy games in general like what Amplitude has done.

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>>164756489
Never was fond of the Dune games, but I admit I forgot about BfME2. It was quite fun.

ANYWAY, finally tried Planetary Annihilation Titan.
This does not bode well.

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Okay, the pole thing is shitty (it's difficult to remember where you are), but I like how the buildings look like kids' cubes assembled together.
And since I made the mistake of not taking "passive AI" literally (it was), I'm free to explore.

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Tried a Tier 3 unit : a kamikaze bomber that goes CYBRON ACKBAR with a fucking nuke.

I don't really understand how the economy works : energy seems to be used to maintain units rather than building them. And there's no adjadency bonuses when structures are close.
I'll try the tutorial next.

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Kinda like that other game (I think it was Total Annihilation, or one of its fan sequel), you have several kind of factories :
>vehicle factories, that are versatile,
>bot factories, that are cheap and fast but fragile
>air factory, that are fast and efficient but fragile and expensive
>naval factory, that I couldn't try
>orbital factory, that send stuff in the stratosphere
The interesting thing is that unlike un SupCom where you upgrade your factories, you just build a T1 worker in a T1 factory, said T1 worker can build a T2 factory, but only of its type. A T2 bot factory cannot build a T2 vehicle factory.
You can mix workers to avoid that.
And here is a T2's building list, with a building that looks nice.

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While the Ragnarok is being built, I try a T2 defense point : a bot cannon.
Yeah, it shoots bot.
It also builds them automatically (pretty slowly).

I don't see any lifespan for the bots, but they're so weak that it shouldn't unbalance the game that much.

>>164758153
>I don't really understand how the economy works
My economy usually is:
Build material extractors
Build generators
(optional)build tier 2 extractors/generators
Build orbital factory
Build real orbital factory (one in a geosync. orbit)
Set autobuild to energy sats and fighters

And then i don't have to worry about energy anymore
I'd upload webms of neat stuff you can do, however, they weigh too much

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Once the ragnarok is built, you have one minute to destroy it while it loads.

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>>164758656
>>164758687
>kepler syndrome?
KEPLER SYNDROME

And then somebody skullfucks the planet and you're back to square one again

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Now, it's too late. The Ragnarok has pierced the planet's surface, and is sending a giant nuclear charge underground.

>>164758656
And you'd need to set them to twice or maybe even thrice the speed to not be too long.

>>164758868
>Kepler Syndrome

Dont tell me that this actually does something in that game ...

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Well, they weren't kidding. I loaded my commander on an orbital transporter to avoid the blast.

The explosion was so powerful it destroyed everything, even all my orbital installations.

>>164759129
Other that causing lag, it does nothing else (besides generating so much power that i can have over 400 constructors building nukes non-stop)

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Well. It counts as a defeat.
I lost to a passive AI who didn't do nuffin.

>>164759872
It could be worse

You could have parked your moon in the wrong orbit and caused a celestial collision that destroyed both your moon and a metal planet owned by your friends just mere seconds ago from firing the laser to a planet full of insane AI that we managed to keep at bay for more than half an our

>>164760123
Sounds like you're talking from experience.

>>164761026
It took me a week until they let me play with them again

>>164761158
If you want a painful story, I have one, but it's about GTA Online. Simply put, I drowned after a difficult heist, causing everyone to lose. A few weeks later, my account my reset and all my character progression was cancelled. I have stopped playing it.

Anyway, I'm a bit bummed that there's only one race in Planetary Annihilation, and annoyed by how not intuitive the units are.
In Supreme Commander, a unit icon's background tells you instantly if a unit is amphibious or not.

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On a strategy level, destroying a planet is pretty retarded.
Even Kharaking a planet is pretty stupid, as it ruins the entire ecosystem and makes it harder to colonize, but completely destroy it is stupid.

>>164760123
>You could have parked your moon in the wrong orbit and caused a celestial collision that destroyed both your moon and a metal planet owned by your friends just mere seconds ago from firing the laser to a planet full of insane AI that we managed to keep at bay for more than half an our

You can actually do shit like that in Planetary Annihilation ?

>>164763449
You can build thrusters on moons and asteroids, yeah.

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>be chilling out in my empire just researching and exploring
>suddenly fanatical purifiers declare war on me
>defend myself and protect my galaxy by wiping them out
>somehow I'M the bad guy

>>164763449
>You can actually do shit like that in Planetary Annihilation ?
Yup, in fact, you can even create "timed" maps where you have to win before the planets collide and you don't have where to play.

Or use a death-star laser to destroy an asteroid that has thrusters and it's flying towards you (i think they give you an achievment for this).

Or, my favourite, carpet-nuking some world. ~200 nukes and then you only need to land, reclaim the wreckage and build new structures.

>>164763836
>Assad feels

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I launched another game, to try something different.
Here, I built a teleporter to the moon, and I started building thrusters on it.

The game is a major pain in the ass because starting a game is long as fuck (I have the game loading unexisting mods for 5 minutes, I was sure it crashed), but I really like the teleporter.

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>>164766246
Here, I am teleporting my commander to another planet.
Trust me, you don't want to be on a planet when it blows up.

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It's three thrusters for a moon, one for an asteroid. At any rate, we're evacuating, and then I'll have the stargate self-destroying.

We don't want rocks going through this, now, do we?

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You can't see it on this picture, but the moon is moving toward the planet.
It's moving really quickly.

>>164766687
>we're evacuating, and then I'll have the stargate self-destroying.
evacuating is fine, but destroying the stargate is unnecessary. Enemies can't use it, and even if they could, you can always turn them off manualy

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TSUKUYOMI ACKBAR !!

>>164767059
I know, but I'm doing it for roleplay purpose.
For the same reason that I evacuated the engineers instead of marooning them.

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>cartoony art style

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>>164767809
Stylised art stands the test of time far better than muh graphical fidelity, you're just going to have to look elsewhere to self justify the ridiculous amount you've spent on your gaming rig

>>164769036
I am fond of things

>>164767809
Yeah Civ 6 sucks.

>>164769036
>the ridiculous amount you've spent on your gaming rig
Not really an argument against an artstyle.

>>164773754
>Not really an argument against an artstyle.
Yes, and? I was taking stab in the dark at why someone would dislike an artstyle for not being hyper realistic. There are loads of /v/irgins who feel that way because they start to question whether spending more on their computer than they did on their car was a good idea if every game doesn't make their cpu hot enough to fry an egg, so it was a fair guess.

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The Catalyst.
Build five of these extremely expensive things on a metal planet to turn it into the Death Star.

>>164775193
Extra points if you manage to build the five catalysts at the same time

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Endless Legend fags!

Does the military traits I've chosen for my custom faction work on Catspaw units?

Is there a map editor in Stellaris akin to Age of Empires 2 where I can just place down systems and fleets and so forth? There's something I'm trying to do but don't have the resources to pull it off.

>>164776203
You should be a good little consumer and not try to create. Why would you want to? The game is already fine and we worked really really hard on it and you want to play it differently? That's really mean :(
t. Wiz

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>>164776906
Well, if not Stellaris then would the Endless Space Sandbox work fine as well? I'm trying to recreate the Legend of Galactic Heroes universe ingame.

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>>164777073
Why not play some LoGH games?
There is plenty of them.

>>164754729
Star wars rebellion

>>164779347
Never heard of it. Is it good?

>>164769036
>Stylised art stands the test of time far better than muh graphical fidelity
2D art is superior to both, just look at Heroes 3, AoE2 or Diablo 2.
>>164775810
These traits work on everything you can control.

>>164780270
I miss Diablo 2.

>>164775193
I always liked the planet mechanics of PA. Problem was that strategy always boiled down to rock paper scissors and walls were borderline useless because none of the planets had good cliff terrains.
If it got a little bit more love and a couple different factions it really could've been pretty good.

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>>164777679
I've played most of them, actually. I just wanted to try out making one myself. I'd actually recommend the 2008 game, it's pretty easy to get into.

>>164781664
Yeah, the lack of geography is a major pain in the ass. There are walls to create artificial cliffs, but they don't have enough HP to make up for it, so establishing a perimeter is extremely difficult.

>>164782295
Not to mention PD sucks ass as a result.