Dota 2 General - /d2g/

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First for the Sheevs

>game player count rapidly declining.

Anyone got some webms of EE baffling scientists?

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>>164475462

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>>164475547

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>>164475462
nth for huge futa horsecock and sideboob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1QE6ogmSkw

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is Crystal "Maiden" the most horrible title given to someone in dota land?
this "Maiden" doesnt look like a maiden to me , hell Lina the Slayer is more of a maiden compared to this slut.

>>164475618
>4k gold swing by EEdeath+buyback+enemyrosh

>>164475472

SAUCE?

>>164475801
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

>>164475769
best part is him buying back like 10s later and failing to snipe rosh
second best part is him tping top immediately and almost dying again

>>164475839

What? That is just a daily 24 hour cycle

>>164475982
>800k max players online at one item.
>before 7.00 had 1 million.

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daily reminder that last 3 years of TI results are invalid
>AAAH GRILL

lower skilled teams with lower solo mmr have no business winning just by abusing 5 man mechanics encouraged by this patch

>>164476015

That isn't really supported at all by that. If you want to join in the 'DEAD GAEM', bitterness over being shit at 7.00 this is your new homepage:

http://steamcharts.com/app/570

>>164476173

5 manning has been THE default strategy for dota since icefraud introduced smoke of deceit in the game.

>>164476307
And this is a problem why?
>5v5 game
>surprised when it revolves around 5v5 fights

Default strategy doesn't mean there isn't room for variance.

>>164476079
>Implying Loda is last relevant TI winner

>>164476190
It will catch up once kids get better pc and internet cafe jew upgrades their PC in Peru

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Reminder to you ladder shitters

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Is Crystal Meth the most commonly used drug in Dotaland? I mean these heroes cant have that performance without enhancing their endurance and increasing their strength with this drug. But hell, its a bitch of a drug compared to Lysergicaciddiethylamide

>>164476714

>this fucking obvious fucking graph
>that wall of unnecessary fucking text
>this dipshit poster then took a screenshot of it

Are you the most retarded of redditors?

>too stupid to memorize couple of invoker spells

feels below average IQ man

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>>164476832
You're asking that of the people who believe in forced 50.

>>164476714
looks like it's not worth it. That's too many matches. Laddering is literally only for people who have their entire lives to waste

>>164476526
>Default strategy doesn't mean there isn't room for variance.

The point is that dota 2 babbies think that somehow the token "strat" they like is somehow innately superior to the other "strats" is cancer to my eyeballs.

They are all just various flavors of 5 manning since the introduction of dust brought with it the first gold bounty changes that rewarded just being NEAR a kill to get a reward, AoE 5 manning items (arcanes, pipe, mek, etc.), and smoke which killed any point to dumping all of your farm on one super carry.

>>164476714
>tfw 55% winrate
>~400 matches
yeah I'm done

>>164475742
that was actually really good
maybe we dont know how good we actually have it
we just got the biggest update we've ever seen good or bad
and csgo is drowning in valve fuckerey while we have the best esports scene gaming has ever seen
idk guys maybe valve does care

First for sheever feet

>>164476714
It seems that this does not account for hero win rates. Purge? did a video on what you can achieve with spamming meta and/or personal heroes. Effective win rate? as he calls it.

>Weather effects pre-reborn looked way better
>Game ran better
>Now weather effects have been downgraded(mist doesnt even show up since 4 months ago)
>Game is running more awful than even

Roots are honestly so fucking stupid now. Might as change it to a stun now that it works exactly like one against so many heroes. Underlord is the dumbest shit now because of it

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>>164477619

>>164477619
>underlord
>not the ebin invisible tree of free bashes and 800 damage roots

>>164477619
How do roots work now I haven't played in two years

>>164475742
fuck cs go.
First person shooters are for faggots anyway

>>164476714
What's the problem honestly? You shouldn't be skyrocketing right away unless you're a surf. It should take time to carry. If you play nothing but ranked (why would you play anything else) then you will see an increase over time cause you will just get better inevitably. It also feels good going from 2.7k to 4.4k. Which only took like 5 months for me? It should take months for people to rise and improve not instantly.

I swear the only people that bitch about the mmr are the lot of faggots that have been stuck at 2-3k mmr and never improved. Which are the same people buying accounts and futhermore fucking up the mmr system they already criticize-- go fucking figure

>>164477619
bkb, manta, any hero with strong dispels or magic immunity for a spell and the root does nothing. That's the difference between stun and root. You can still cast items and use spells when rooted

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haha guys.

>>164478203
not everyone has 5 months to play dota 12 times a day. Enjoy the account buyers as you defend the system you fucking shill.

>>164478203
>>164478435

The real point is, what ever was the fucking point of the ranked system to start with? Like what advantages does it give over before we even had it?

>>164478435
But everyone has time to play 4k hours and still be stuck at 2k mmr? Shut the fuck up. No excuses

>>164477619
it literally works the way it should

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>>164478203
t. 10k hour face

How to fix ranked in 3 ez steps
>all mmr are shown at the beginning of the game
>after your done with the draft stage, before the bells rings, you have the option to double down on mmr, so you either can win 50 or lose 50
>region lock

>>164478546
how good you are with random teammates if you have no friends. There was literally no point in playing unless you had friends before

>>164476714
I wish we had ranked system like in cs go

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7.05

Laguna Blade is now pure damage
Aghs: dota imba fiery soul

>>164476714
I don't play solo ranked because I don't like to play alone. I have some steam friends that I always play with. Does this mean I am not improving because my solo mmr never changes?

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>>164475742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RjDRLBWio
>we have the dog hat coming up

whats this i hear about ember radiance

>>164478864
I stopped playing ranked 2 years ago and started having fun with dota, aiming for high mmr if you are not placed high after 10 games is just not worth it
I was placed on 3k on my main account and recently took my brothers account because he doesn't play ranked, played those games and got 3.9k, i'm still playing on my 3k mmr account because i just don't want to grind 3k games with decent winrate

>>164477619
The real problem is people are retards and panic whenever they get rooted instead of just trying to fight back. Its not like they have anything else to do. Everyone just tries to scatter and dont even bother trading hits, even if they are going to die.

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guess the hero

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who the fuck is this fat fuck and why does he has so much power on valve

can I still rice on doom?

>>164475742
this is why I stopped playing cs

>>164479287
slutty demon girl monarch

>>164475742
is that a girl???

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Is techies good ?

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Daily reminder that Valve is going to release a Winter Battle Pass tonight and expects you to be a good goy and buy it, even though everything is broken, US servers are collapsing because they refuse to close the borders, and even though the Major will be trash because this patch is trash.

>>164479427
u r correct!! first time i ran with radiance, not sure if its a worthy pickup on its own but was pretty good against their ta

>>164475742
how come cs:go banned betting but nobody really touches dota 2 betting even though it was proven that it was rigged since LGD.Ruru just happens to own several major betting sites?

>>164479331
why would you?

doom is a support

>>164475742
are we next Iads

>>164479752
no one cares about dota except third worlders

>>164479752
cs go doesn't have chinks

>>164479661

Alright /d2g/, we need to come up with a name for these subhumans that sit in the general making bitter shitposts like this all damn day even though they haven't played the game in months or years

Maybe some variation of "starcrumps"?

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>>164475691
Is that a sideboob?

>>164479997
faggots

>>164479997
they're called doomposters senpai

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>>164479997
I played Dota every day for 5 years. Now I play Dota once every other day because I'm trying to enjoy it but it's so bad I can't enjoy it. This patch is brutally bad, and being a fanboy isn't going to get them to fix it. Stop being a little bitch.

why can't you select the role you want to play before you queue up? wouldn't that make everyones matchmaking exp better?

what happens if you get a crit on wraithking?
does it increase his dps or not?

>>164480183
queue times would be far longer since everyone would just set up for carry

>>164480236
would you mind waiting 10 mins for a game

>>164480193
>does it increase his dps or not?
yes

the question is: wouldnt a better item increase the dps more

this wk is critting every single hit on matumbaman with his bloodthorne. What is this? does it stack with his own crit?

>>164480193
not sure i understand your question. of course it does

>>164480183

The very thing that Dota should have tried to do from day 1 with Dota 2 was do everything possible to promote finding consistent groups of people to form 5 man teams with. Like incentives and the like.

The entire problem of this whole fucking genre is that devs bend over backwards for the mouth breathing retards that want to play a fucking team game as some sort of soloautism experience

And all the shit from ASSFAGGOTS flows through antisocial NEET soloautists.

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>>164478203
Hello janny/valve shill

>>164480352
how much does it increase his dps?
they say they don't really stack so well so it also reduces the procs of his own crit

>>164478767
What is it like?

>>164480421
>so it also reduces the procs of his own crit
no

>>164480503
tell me how they interact please

>>164480391
Personally I can not understand why people put so much importance on solo MMR in a team based game like this

void
>CYKA

>>164480545
that wraithking carried this game on his back. he was my first strength hero desu. He's pretty viable this patch

>>164480236
so what?

>>164480542
>Personally I can not understand why people put so much importance on solo MMR in a team based game like this

From the earliest bitching about "MUH RANKED" it's been obvious that its former HoNtrash and LoL refugees. And the entire point of THAT is because they want some marker that allows them free reign to shittalk someone (usually a teammate) when they are both on the same losing team.

Like its 100% inherited from the dunking obsession of HoNfaggots.

>>164480519
google it nigg

>>164480193
2 crit effects do not stack directly. The strongest one is rolled first. If it fails, the 2nd one is rolled.

His passive crit chance is 15%. If you get a crit item, it can only proc outside of that, which results in a 85% efficiency on the item.

Just build something else.

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how?

>>164480703
I remember in the earlier days valve specifically said they werent going to put in any MMR for that exact reason

But faggots

would

not

stop

bitching

for it

>>164480542
>>164480391
>shitters
solo MMR is the only way to assess how good you are personally
nobody cares about you getting carried by your friends

playing soloqueue is also how you get better. Always playing with your stack only solidifies your habits

>>164480183
literally kill yourself leaguebaby

>>164480836
Forgot to add: If the first crit effects is rolled successfully, the second one is not rolled for this attack. There are no double crits.

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>play with a pudge, me luna
>offlane centuar on other team
>pudge hugs me fucking tight even though i could easily solo
>i carry fucking hardcore

>same pudge, same me, i'm slark
>pudge and tusk support
>leave me solo as slark against omni and abaddon
>literally diving t2's at 4 minutes to kill me
>im begging for help
>Pudge : "Don't play carry if you can't solo a lane you dumbass"

I hate USE can we just destroy the server

>>164480868
KDA and win% fitted the same role anyway

>>164475742
What would happen if everybody just started playing CS 1.6 again?

yo i remember reading this writeup (may have been a pdf) about high IeveI mid mechanics from some poIish pro. anyone know what im taIking about? it went into great detaiI but i never got around to finishing it and wouId Iove to find it again. or if you know anything eIse of that nature which isnt some braziIian 4k's shitty youtube channeI or game Ieap (tm) wouId be appreciated

Wow the patch fixed everything

>>164480903
>leaguebaby
this general is so fucking idiotic man. how many years have you been calling people leaguebabies

>>164481019
its pretty outdated and 90% shit you probably know already

>>164480836
what if you got mkb and mjolnir and still need more damage on wk?

>>164480903
>solo MMR is the only way to assess how good you are personally


Except for, you know, playing well. Also all your talk of getting carried is exactly why solo mmr is inaccurate to actually reflect personal skill

>>164481091
Radiance

>>164480903
>solo mmr is the only way to assess how good you are personally

Absolutely not

>>164480903
How can you get better if you are forced to keep playing with random allies that valve gives you?
You can't predict them and they keep making you mad.

>>164481049
>abloobloo why can't we get enforced meta like in my chingchong MOBA

>>164481123
>Except for, you know, playing well.
Nobody is qualified to assess the quality of their own play.
>Also all your talk of getting carried is exactly why solo mmr is inaccurate to actually reflect personal skill
You might be retarded or a deluded shitter. By playing only with your stack your group MMR will only reflect the quality of your stack as a whole you fucking moron.
And no you're not at the "wrong" solo MMR, you're just crap.

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I NEED E SPORTS.

>>164480903
>solo MMR is the only way to assess how good you are personally
Of all the shitposters in this general over the last few days, this is by far the most offensive of them all because it is a sincere shitpost.

>>164481250
>>164481279
get fucking good
Miracle has been carrying stacks of people with 2K less MMR than him. You have no idea what it means to have your teammates actually worse than you.

why do lifestealers build echosabre and desolator instead of armlet?

>>164481091
What's left from early game?
What about your Desolator, Armlet? What boots?
What about AC or a Basher?
Do you have a blink?
Get Blademail/Radiance if you feel autistic.

Seriously, if you have nothing else to worry about at this point, get a divine rapier and end the game.

>>164481420
My friends are 1-2k

I am 4.5k, very rarely i play with them, but yeah. I can understand the idea

>>164481415
Nobody cares about the group MMR you got by sucking your bf cock while playing cuckport bb.

>>164481292
>abloobloo why can't we get enforced meta like in my chingchong MOBA
how is selecting what role you want to play enforcing a meta? I just don't want people fighting over mid or to be put in a position to be playing a role they don't enjoy/aren't good at

>>164481420
Liquid has at least two 9k mmr people now. The rest are 8.5k and above. They're not a best team. Why not? Why does miracle get rekt by 7k mids of other teams?

>>164481519
>I have no logical argument so I'll just calling him gay

>>164481549
>Why not?
Because it takes more than high individual skill to make a successful team you relentless moron.

Yo where the FUCK is Barnyyy? I haven't seen that piece of shit in such a long time, did he stop streaming for good?

Also recommend some chill/comfy streams, preferably not people trying to be the next epik singsongxd

>>164481519
why should anyone care about the solo mmr you got by being anti-social? Are you 9k and going to be picked up by EE?

>>164481089
yeah perhaps.. there were some timeIess basics in there though which i wanted to soIidify, Iike when to puII aggro/ why you dont Iet ranged creep pass on the bIock. if you know a more up to date resource that wouId be better ofc

>>164481619
>I have no logical argument
but that's where you're wrong faggot

>>164481543
>how is selecting what role you want to play enforcing a meta?
BECAUSE DIVIDING A TEAM COMPOSITION INTO SET ROLES IS ALREADY A META ELEMENT YOU SHITTER

>>164481519

This game is designed from top to bottom for coordinated groups of 5 players. And there are plenty of 8k+ pubstars that literally never do anything but lose in competitive games with actual prize money.
What soloqueue MMR does is give you a number to browbeat your own random allies when you start losing

>soloqueue autists keep complaining about region lock
No. No more safe spaces for you faggots. Buy a single player game if you want to be garbage at human interaction

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>>164481461
Dota 2 Q&A
November 1, 2010 - IceFrog
Q: Is there reconnect support for DotA 2? (by Vanes-UT)
A: This was actually one of the very first things we added early on, before the game was stable, in order to help with testing. You’ll also be able to have a friend of similar skill level substitute for you in case you have to leave. Players that want to improve their reputation in the game and community will also be able to help out by joining ongoing games that are missing players.

>>164481634
yes. Teamwork is better than individual skill. OG are major winners despite not having much individual skill. Nolans is a subpar player that still outcarries rtz who is 2k mmr above him because playing in a 5 stack with teamwork and understanding instead of being a whiny solo-mmr whore is better.

>People still falling for honeypot solo-mmr
>When the "9k teams" already have shown that it's meaningless

>>164481356
>implying esports are going to be good with this patch

>>164481746
would be such a shame to lose the chance to have 5 carries am/pa dual offlane. i love that strat.

>>164481672
>it's the only way you have to know how good you are
>that's not true!
>it is
>w....well who cares about being good, it's not like I'm pro ah...ahah

>>164481747
>This game is designed from top to bottom for coordinated groups of 5 players.
And guess what, coordinated teams won't accept you and your 3K shitter MMR application. So you can go fuck yourself right away with that "I'm representing the ACTUAL competitive side" attitude. You don't have a leg to stand on, kid.

>>164481746
5 carries for the win?
At least we're not league but we are Hots :`)

>Maelk got hired by FC Copenhagen despite failing ultra hard with Shalke

can someone explain this to me
how does a notorious incompetent keep landing jobs

>>164481891
Go on leaguebaby, explain to us what the only acceptable team composition is.

>>164481864
>Teamwork is better than individual skill.
[quality A] is better than [quality B] is no excuse for lacking quality B you shitter.
New teams recruit on MMR, stop giving yourself excuses.

>>164481924
>coordinated teams won't accept you
what a cuck.

You don't get accepted into teams, you form them.

>>164482072
sure breh I'm sure you'll attract a bunch of talented players with your no experience and your 3K MMR.

>>164482028
>Go on leaguebaby, explain to us what the only acceptable team composition is.
i wonder how low your IQ is. you aren't even making sense so I guess I have to explain out how a simple change would improve the matchmaking system

>SELECT YOUR ROLE
>ENTER THE GAME
>YOUR TEAM ALREADY KNOWS WHOS PLAYING WHAT
>PICKING YOUR HEROES BECOMES A LOT OF A RAT RACE
>AREN'T FORCED TO INSTA LOCK WHAT YOU WANT TO PLAY
now go on and explain to me how that enforces anything...it has no effect on any meta it just makes picking phase less chaotic.

>>164482138
>cuck mentality
I can't discuss this with a friendless loser like you.
You're just like rtz. Always on the look out for talented players instead of sticking and improving with your friends

Why is skywrath mage so based?

>>164482305
a lot less*

>>164482028
>new teams recruit on mmr

That's not really true, Most of the time they recruit based on who knows who, or personal experience playing with someone

>>164482028
did AF recruit on mmr? oh wait they don't recruit.
You know who recruits? puppey because he hates everyone and everyone hates him.

>>164477619
shut the fuck up
Underlord is my free MMR hero now
I thought the changes gutted him but the root buffs actually made him even better than before

>>164482014
Dota >LeL

>>164482305
>SELECT YOUR ROLE
Since you're actually retarded let me type it again in all caps:
GO ON LEAGUEBABY, EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE ROLES COMPOSITION IN A TEAM OF DOTO IS

>>164482310
The only thing keeping you back if your refusal to admit that yes, you're as bad as your MMR is telling you.

>>164482421
>who knows who
There aren't that many way to make a name for yourself. And yes you can be sure it's a pretty usual MO. I'm not talking about tier 1 team, since they have players with past competitive experience, I'm talking about competitive entry level teams.

>>164482305
lol at this league player forcing his shitty mm

one of the best thing to happen in dota is icefrog/valve not forcing their ideas on how you play those heroes

>support PA riki weaver
meanwhile Rito: a chimp with heal must be a support! a support!

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>>164482685
HEALS? HEALS ARE TOXIC! TOXIC!!!

>>164482668
>>164482685
you guys are so fucking retarded. if you wanted to pick support PA with my idea there is NOTHING stopping you. you would just take up the 4 or 5 position slot. you are expected to be supporting that game. this is ZERO WAY changes how the game is played and only improves picking phase.

>>164482471
>did AF recruit on mmr? oh wait they don't recruit.
I don't know, and unless you have a proper link describing how they formed in the first place, you better shut the fuck up with your unfounded assertions.

>>164482868
don't bother. They're paid valve shills and probably also /pol/shitposters.

I'm 16 and think zelda is boring as shit, deal with it

>>164482868
hello retard, I'll ask again:
what is, according to you, the "proper" role composition of a doto 2 team

>>164482941
>I'm 16 and think zelda is boring as shit, deal with it
wat

>>164482927
I don't care how they've recruited but they're stayed together for almost 2 years now. Madara has higher mmr than all his teammates. He didn't leave them to join other teams. They stuck together, improved and went to boston. Meanwhile rtz has been killing teams because they're holding him back and miracle has been losing despite being on the team with the highest solo mmr sum in esports. I'm right and you're wrong.

>>164483162
>I don't care how they've recruited
well that sucks because that's the whole point of the argument retardito.
Yes they don't change roster based on competitive results, that has nothing to do with the fact that they were NOT a stack of 3K shitters in the very fist place.

Stupid cunt.

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>>164482868
Optionally you could stop being retarded and just play the game.
Why do you need to fix something that is not broken? Only because you don't want person X to play hero Y because you wanted to play Y?

Have you ever thought that there is no such thing as a fixed role comp. in this game? Sometimes you have no jungler, in very rare cases you can have two - Role locking in league works because you ALWAYS have the same composition, this isn't league, stop trying to enforce league standards.

You sound like someone who needs constant pampering for anything he/she does not deem acceptable.

Kys

>>164482868
>that singed player who got perma banned cause that's not how you play the chimp

>zai is 7509 mmr
why don't they kick this guy and get someone from the leaderboards because only solo mmr matters?

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>>164482941
what di

>>164483246
they were a stack of 3k shitters once. That's how you start playing this game unless you came from league/hon/wc3.

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>you will never relive the ti4 c9 experience

>>164483315
>3K shitter having delusions of grandeur because Zai is "only" 7K5
By the way he IS in the leaderboard.

>>164479752
valve didn't ban betting

they threatened legal action against betting sites that used the steam api

>>164483045
role positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. you know, like it is now? can you explain to me what the point you're trying to make is? do you think matchmaking in it's current form is perfect or something? you must have a grave misunderstanding of my proposal to think I somehow want to change team compositions.

>>164483253
>>164483260
you guys are just utterly hopeless aren't you? I don't know anything about league and my idea is nothing like what you're making it out to be.

btw
>double jungle
yeah ok man my idea is for ranked matchmaking so idk what kind of games you're playing

>>164482743
>Medics ruined tf2s competitive scene
Is that guy retarded or something?

>>164483491
he's not 9k or 8k.
Akke is 6k and he's in a solid tier 3 esports team.

>>164483458
>they were a stack of 3k shitters once.
link to that of STFU

also they DO play soloqueue. To train. Despite your delusions about soloqueue being worthless.

>>164479752
You know that csgolounge and dota2lounge are not the only betting sites? And they were the worst ones out there
>VPgame master betting site

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>>164483576
Don't oppress him, Morello had to undergo a double hemispherectomy due to otherwise fatal brain tumours.

>>164483568
positions are about farm priority, not lane placement

I didnt realize how fun Templar Assassin is

>>164483458
Did any pros actually start with DotA 2? I thought everyone good was playing since wc3 or hon.

>>164483610
>>164483610
is solo queue is so good, why isn't it the format for the international?

>>164483605
>he's not 9k or 8k.
He's still in the fucking leaderboard.

>Akke is 6k and he's in a solid tier 3 esports team.
Because that's an ok MMR for a tier 3 team. What's your point?

>>164483712
sonneiko is the first i think of

He supposedly only started playing after ti3

>>164483707
? when did i say anything about lane placement dude

>>164483568
>>double jungle
>yeah ok man my idea is for ranked matchmaking so idk what kind of games you're playing
So you're telling me you have never ever experienced a double jungle meta?

When did you start playing this game? One/Two year/s ago?

>>164483712
lots of hontrash refugees if that counts

>>164483712

i was trying to think of dota 2 only players that have gone anywhere but I couldn't think of anyone except EE

>universe and bulba have literally been shitting up teams since 2010

>>164483729
Every SINGLE player present at the international passes more time playing soloQ than scrimming.
I'm sorry bub but playing chill games with your friends on wednesday evening isn't how you get better at doto.

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>Pick Support role for 2 min queue time
>Get 10 minute queue instead.
>get into game
>FeelsGoodMan.jpg
>Pick invoker
>Mark mid lane
>"ooga booga, Mid or Feet"
>My other 4 teammates pick PA, bristleback, rikimaru, and lifestealer
>99% chance they all chose the support role before queue too which is why I got a 10 minute queue.
>Play a normal game of trench dota
So this is the power of the lelbabs system.
Longer queue times just to play the same game of dota 2 that i've always been playing

>>164475742
Who is the fat guy with the blonde hair and the valve shirt? He's constantly eating something out of a fast food bag.

I need to see the original interview with him just because he gets used in videos so much.

>>164483945
>Soloqueue = practicing mechanics
>Scrims = practicing teamplay

can't booga hard enough

>>164483838
here
>>164481891

and you still didn't answer the question: how many cores and support do you think a team HAS to have?

>>164483996
>>164479302
>>164479043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj0j-8Ps6-E

>>164483909
>EE
>dota 2 only
ahah good one

>>164483945
are you a 4-6k player that will never be relevant despite sinking 10k hours into this game and you're trying to make solo queue seem more than it is? I'm sorry for invalidating everything you've grinded but badman(former highest mmr in the world) was a shitter and is still a shitter because he's anti-social just like you

>>164484234
CDR talents are bad

Do pro players actually read d2g?
If yes, who does? I am asking because most of them seem to use read only reddit.

>>164484234
solo mmr matters :D

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>mfw queue for support but actually wants to play mid

>>164484234
This wasn't even remotely funny, I shouldn't have watched the source.

Thanks for linking tho.

hats?

>>164484040
But that's not true either. Miracle got this high because he's extremely proactive about leading his team of (relative) shitters.

>>164484201
>random jabs because you've been utterly defeated
oh fucking wow

>>164484280
matumba is the only real pro i can think of
zai too i think

>>164484234
>Alchemist isn't a problem, just interrupt his farm

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>>164484234
Wisdom

>>164475742
lmao the part with proplayers asking for unbans

bet the csgo community supported them, cheating fucks

>>164484057
the post you quoted is in reference to a situation where two people pick for a hard carry position and fight over farm. if you think that is fine and dandy in a ranked game then we just have to disagree.

the question you keep asking is why i think you misunderstand what i keep talking about. my idea does not stop you from picking any hero in any position it only signals to your team what role you are expecting to be playing (1-5) there is nothing stopping you from support pa or axe jungle there is nothing stopping you from transiting from a support to a carry.

>>164484234
>talents leak is fake

>>164484234
>dota is a good game

>>164484604
I understand your position very well your fucking shitter, and for the last fucking time will you answer the fucking question: how many cores and how many supports is the "correct" composition?

Because numbering the players doesn't solve what you're complaining about.

>>164484234
#SoloMMRMatters

>>164484682
said nobody ever
fucking newfriend

>>164484682
nobody said that lmao

>>164484330
why are scrims so closely guarded and kept secret? Solo queueing isn't kept secret or hidden because it doesn't matter.
Miracle got high by muting all chat and spamming sf and am and playing 1v9. He's been dropping below 9k because he can't do that anymore because this patch nerfs it. You ever seen him chatting to his team? I haven't until recently because his career forced him to get social.

You're an mmr whore and that's all. You want everyone to spend 12 hours a day grinding this game like you do. You like things just the way they are. The only thing you could be is a valve shill

>>164484721
hey guys check out my 4k party mmr

>>164484721
why is liquid shit?

>>164484772
keep whining about peruvians. No region lock to give you a safe space you faggot

>>164484234
>>164484682
>>164484748
>>164484757

>league is worse than dota

>>164484765
>Solo queueing isn't kept secret
Uh there's a reason players always opposed a "follow" shit on the profile.

>Miracle
>muting all chat
you couldn't be more wrong BB

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>I deserve to be 9k mmr after playing ten hours

>>164484717
my post explains my answer to your question. you have one core you can have two or three you can have two and have a support turn into a core. i am not suggesting a change to any of dotas role dynamics pls get it through your head dude

>>164484872
that is however true
dumb cunt

>>164484765
>getting good at something takes time and dedication
WOW
FUCKING
STOP THE PRESSES

>>164484910
I've been playing for at least 40 hours a week for the past ten years and I'm still just a 4k shitter.

>>164484910
haHAA greentext and a reaction image to prove my point im 12 btw haHAA

>>164484910
I spent 10000 hours on this game and everyone else should too

>>164484935
HOW ABOUT FUCKING ZERO SUPPORT THEN?
IF IT'S NOT ENFORCED?
YOUR IDEA DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING

NOT TO MENTION HOW FUCKING BATSHIT RETARDED YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE TO EXPECT PEOPLE TO QUEUE UP FOR A NUMBER BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE

valve shills fuck off.
redditors and their appreciation for the system isn't welcome here

>>164485109
Just got here. What are we talking about?

>>164485093
dud I want to play 5 means i'm the player who get the least farm while playing weaver is that a problem?

Weaver support is the best thing you can pick in 2k17

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>>164485109
but i just wanna be 9k mmr so i can play with my idols like rtz and miracle

it just doesn't make sense to have a huge timesink required, anyone can grind 10,000 hours to 9k whats the point of making it so hard

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When were you when dota was kill by icefrag?

>>164485379
grinding solo mmr because its the only thing that matters in life.

>>164485093
ur just so dumb man im not a developer i dont have the ui interface mapped out. im well aware most people dont even understand 1-5. my idea solves plenty.

your argument against mine actually makes zero sense i think youre just obsessed with hating league or something (a game i know very little to nothing about)

>>164485341
MMR can't be a true measure of skill as long as the only way to climb is to grind or reroll.

I don't really give a shit because I'm not very good at the game but the way the system works even if I wanted to be I'd have to grind arbitrarily to get the chance to get better and that's stupid.

>>164485379
why is he wearing that dog cone they put on peoples necks

>>164485238
so the only player for whom that stupid system would mean anything is the #5
obviously you're a low shitter who just wants someone to be his ward bitch because of your total lack of map awareness

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>PPD's new team

dotards?

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egm was 3k in 2015.
how is that possible? I thought mmr was the only thing that matters? How did he get on a pro team with 3k mmr

>>164485429
>my idea solves plenty.
it solves jack shit
we won't have an enforced meta
fuck off

>>164485581
drink bleach u retard

>>164485581
>the game is great!
>don't change anything because everythings amazing
>I want 5 carries every game

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>>164485379
i was playing my favorite game, dota, and super excited reading the patch notes, new character models, new hero, new all pick screen, i was saying yes YES YESS!!!!

then i started reading about talents, map changes, xp changes, runes, and all the rest, and i said no. no. no no no nononononononono NOOOOOOO. dota is kill.

>thinking valve could implement a 1-5 role system without fucking it up entirely
when will you retards learn

>>164485436
>MMR can't be a true measure of skill as long as the only way to climb is to grind or reroll.
you dont make a statement like that without giving a single reason, thats not a fact

>>164485569
egm has 2 accounts

>>164485678
>5 carries every game
MAYBE YOUR PROBLEM ISN'T THE QUEUE SYSTEM BUT YOUR DOGSHIT MMR EH?

where can I buy a 6k mmr account?

>>164485569
that's not even his main account you dip

the sad thing is the game just got a fucking blue buff added in the jungle but you guys are still obsessed with talking shit about league and how better you are

>>164485436
you get a reroll for the low price of a pass once every season
if that's not enough you don't belong higher

>>164485792
epicnpc

>>164485787
how do I get out of dogshit mmr if there's 5 carries every game?

>>164485792
https://www.accountwarehouse.com/Buy-dota-Accounts/ProductInfo/17510/6k-Solo-MMRTBD-Team-MMR67-Win-RateAccount-Level-24Great-MMR

costs 280 USD though. Pretty expensive

>>164485715
If it's a measure of skill the main factor that goes into your MMR is your objective skill not the amount of hours played. Of course there is some sort of correlation here but consider that pros have different accounts with plenty of hours played with widely different MMR.

>>164485883
Still doesn't remedy the main problem which is its grindyness.

Anyone would be able to get 9k is dota had a proper learning curve.

Not "LMAO CARRY LICH XD BECAUSE FORCED 50% LETS ME WIN ANYWAY XDDD".
The game fuckign sucks on teaching what works and what doesnt.
Why do you think shitters still go MoM on void for over 5 years already? because eventually they are granted free wins by the system.
in a better wrold they would be losing until they started to play correctly. but we cant have that in a society of o hurt feelings. need to make mentally handicapped children to feel well by taking shit from middle class players.

>"hurr durr derpa derp forced 50 doesnt exist"

then where are people with sub 30% winrates?
where are people with over 80% winrates that arent abusing stack strats?

in every logical scenario they should exist.
but STRANGELY everyone including complete shitters and pro players fluctuate near 50%.
you cant debate it. its science. Or do you hate science?

>>164485968
>how do I get out of dogshit mmr if there's 5 carries every game?
by getting gud? Opposing team has the same MMR.
And you don't need supports to win at low MMR.

the league mmr/season system is miles ahead of dota and its such a shame how poorly thought out it is

>>164485998
if you cannot maintain a 50%+ winrate then your objective skill is where it belongs

kys

>>164486034
you forget that lich carry is actually intentionally being added to the game by icefrog himself and that literally nothing youre talking about matters anymore because roles dont exist anymore and balance doesnt exist anymore. 7.0 is a giant experiment where any hero can be anything, where talents runes xp and everything is spammed everywhere, where you run around anywhere brawling and not thinking. did you forget to update the game? sounds like youre still playing in dota's golden age.

>>164486034
wait a second am I being le trolled :^)

>>164486120
With the addition of talent trees I'd argue that most supports can now carry a low MMR game for at least the first 15 minutes.

Stop being dogshit, git gud and you can rank up with playing anything really

>>164485998
>Still doesn't remedy the main problem which is its grindyness.
But it does.
Just get a pass for international ranked and calibrate higher.

>>164486034
Spare us the rambling of a brainlet who doesn't understand the point of a ladder.

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>>164485787
im not him but people locking in 5 hard carries still happens at high 4k though and even low 5k, what then fuccboi?

>>164483709
ASlso can anyone give me some redpilled tips on how to play her better. The Tortedelini guides are a good start but I never feel I understand how to play it right

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>tfw all great dota memories will be bleached out by this 7.0 monstrosity of a game
>Already can't remember some terrain paths
>My invoker is killed
>People pick less and less supports, or play them as carries
>Everyone is rushing midas
>Fps can't break 40

>>164486034
i saw a real shitter the other day that was 39% wr. lowest ive ever seen i was pretty shocked desu.

>>164486182
nobody belongs where they are. You just want everyone to stay where they are. You're like those people that support corrupt politicians by keeping the poor people poor

>>164486260
It happens SOMETIMES and you just make a fixation on it since you need an excuse for your losses.

guys where is the real safelane?

>>164486182
Uhm, are you slow or what? Yeah, you can have 60%+ winrate and be objectively better than everyone in your bracket you'll still need hundreds of games (literal grind) to make significant changes to your MMR.

So a 6k account costs 280 buckaroos
You can calibrate 4.5 after 250 games, on average 200 hours, you need 1500 mmr onwards so with 70% winrate (playing pubstompers) you will need 150 more games, 120 more hours.
So that's around 8$ an hours playing video games.
If you live in malaysia or some shithole, you can live like a fucking king

>>164486034
a friend of mine has ~40% something winrate

what a shitter

>>164486425
the one that's right next to a fountain

>>164486375
it's still happening when im 8k mmr what then?
why don't I get picked up by pros?

>>164486449
yeah matumbaman has ~370 losses and 572 wins on his smurf. He should not be losing that many games

>>164486449
and? if you have a 60% winrate at the 2k bracket wow you might be 3k mmr

dont see an issue

>>164486536
Doesn't really have to be an issue if you don't think MMR should be a measure of skill but rather an incentive to grind and keep the game alive. Doesn't change what it is and isn't though.

>>164486468
>he thinks acc boosters actually play their pre-ranked games
wew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-rFPpBDr8

>>164486536
then give me that mmr now instead of forcing me to play 5 months?

>>164486529
>it's still happening when im 8k mmr what then?
what does it matter since you reached 8K?

>why don't I get picked up by pros?
did you apply to any competitive team?

d2g is particularly awful this evening

>>164486757
valve shills tend to reek of reddit

>>164476714
If you are 1000 mmr below ur proper mmr, you'll have a 55%+ winrate
and so you can see, over maybe 750 games you'll ascend to your true mmr

But winrate doesn't matter too much when things go in terms of win streaks

>>164486610
>double digit mmr account costs 20 dollars
those people should sell their accounts for easy money desu

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>>164486375
>implying i didn't hard carry all of those games and win them by playing out a 70 minute game

just because you lost all of your 5 carry games doesn't mean i did the same. stop projecting your problems onto everyone who replies here

if you project any harder your going to reach astral levels and exit your own body

>>164486601
its a fine measure of skill

if you a 7k player stuck in the 2k bracket you'll get 5k in less than 200 games and then 7k depending on how much you spam fotm

if you cannot do this then you are 2k player. nothing to do with time just the fact that you are a 2k player. every other single other 2k player is the exact same as you.

>>164486610
Wow nice account production. Is this in china or russia?
They afk in single draft using bots for as many games as possible and then boost the accounts when ranked is unlocked

>>164486801
hate valve all you want but fucking up the MMR system even more just because your a fucking trashcan 1k player that thinks he belongs in 5k is not the answer

>>164487121
im going to buy an account and you can't stop me.
The prices are reasonable and I have a job to support this incase I fall out of the bracket

>>164487121
This is pretty much the case

Small mmr fluctuations (+/- up to 500mmr in extreme cases, usually around 200 though) can happen due to a player feeding or boosting or whatever

>>164487268
>you can't stop me.
the singing pain of dropping that MMR you paid off will be enough to make you stop eventually

>PSG bought a 4k account and is actually 4.1k mmr now
really makes you think.

>>164487268
jokes on you I sell accounts

>>164487159
its sea and russia mostly. i have some monkeys boosting my account as we speak

>>164475742
>includes the fact that Valve refuse to back down on their ban on players who were caught match-fixing in a video that is clearly made to highlight how shitty Valve are

Am I missing some facts here? Because anyone who thinks people that match-fix should be given a second chance in a competitive environment with money on the line is fucking retarded.

>>164487268
why would he want to stop you lmao
enjoy your 20% winrate rofl

>>164486610
Well that's more than double 8$ an hours then.

Also explains the thounsands of games bots you can find in the spectate tab in game. I always wondered wtf those were about

>>164487403
I'll be enjoying my 6k games as I play with the pros. Enjoy your shitter bracket roflol

>>164487397
I believe 30% of the csgo community cheats, so of course they think pros should get a second chance

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>>164486468
Not to mention mmr boosting, people pay good money for it, very viable to make a living in some poor countries, and a nice side job here in the first world.

>>164487397
yeah it's a bit silly
>so many cheaters something needs to change!
>unban those cheaters!

i bought a booster and so far he's lost 3 and won 1 game

>>164487670
kek

>>164487404
I mean how come Valve can't detect those guys
like fuck, a glance at the match history tells you this guy is boosting

After 2000 hours of 3k mmr games and shitty teammates I found myself looking at a russian booster on twitch. His prices were reasonable and after a week I came back to my 5k mmr account. Every game I've played since then has been with teammates that know what they need to do to win. I'm on my way to 6k now.
There are sheep and wolves. I chose to be the wolf, what do you choose to be?

>>164487870
they can, just lazy and zero reason to do so

they accounts ruin high mmr games, high mmr games account for like less than 1% of the total games played

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>>164487905
wolves need no...

>>164487870
Valve aren't cruel enough to destroy the one thing that counters forced 50.

>haven't played dota in like 3 years
>install it
>do shadow fiend challenge
>score 83

did they increase the number of creeps per wave in the past couple years?

>>164487905
>I came back to my 5k mmr account. Every game I've played since then has been with teammates that know what they need to do to win

thats bullshit

>>164488000
nerfs

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>>164487870
I was talking about 5 bots vs 5 bots, there is literally dozens of them per page in the spectate tab. Whe nI first started dota I went there to download replays to check out and all I could find were those bot games. I thought it was weird but thought none of it, now it makes sense.
And to think that all those accounts count as "unique monthly players" by valve.
Really activate those neurons if I dare say.

>>164487905
I choose to play for fun, don't worry about numbers and never get angry if someone is throwing the game.

Don't care the slightest

>>164488000
>double dubs and trips
wow

>>164488089
no please. Lycan is fine

>>164487905
kek i would just spam omniknight at high ratings since hes retard proof

Has Dota ruined other esports for you?

My friends are all obsessed with overwatch right now but it just doesn't scratch the same itch.

Plus all it takes to reach top 10% in Overwatch is like 200 hours. Have that much in-game time in Overwatch and people will be impressed. Meanwhile 200 hours in Dota might as well be a fresh install.

I just bought a 4k account and I've just won 3 games and lost 2. I'm a 1k player and im actually climbing here. It doesn't make sense...

>>164488129
i agree, gaining mmr has never been easier with this fine hero

>>164488223
ive noticed lots of ppl talk about getting plat in overwatch (i guess thats the highest rating?) was wondering how so many casual normies could get to it.

>>164488316
>Spammed lycan and had a 60% winrate with him before 7.00
>On a lose streak now with the much better buffed lycan

Rip, maybe it's just bad luck. Like he legit is better now.

>>164488321
Plat is the highest normie rating

There is like master and grandmaster above it

>>164488223
200 hours is alot and we're desensitized to it because of this fucking game where you don't get high ranking unless you grind for ten thousand hours. You realize you can graduate university level linear algebra in 140 hours of study?

>>164488410
monkey kang and slardar rapes him

>>164488223
I just don't find FPS worth watching for more than 30 minutes. Even when dota Esports is boring and every game is the same 10 heroes it still has more variety than any FPS Esport.

HI D2g

I THINK SOMETHING HIT THE FRONT LEFT SIDE

I WISH WHATEVER IT DID FUCK OFF

IF IT WANTS SOMETHING ASK ME

IF NOT FUCK OFF

I THINK IM GOING TO GO DEAF TOO

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>your middle comes to gank your lane
>he fails to gank because he doesnt communicate when to go
>enemy offlane escapes
>my middle continues to take creeps from my lanes as a form of fucking gank tax

fucking stop it jesus christ go back middle you asshole

just bought a 6k account and I've just won 1game. I'm a 1k player and im actually climbing here. It doesn't make sense...

Does anyone here actually use gameleap? They must be making money or they wouldn't be able to afford ads in every youtube video.

Whats it like?

>>164475117
Dude, you have no idea how much fun that pistol was in death matches on day 1 though, everyone could one shot everyone

>>164488809
>midlane
>ganking
what kind of wonderland you living in boy

>>164488853
>yapz0r teaching you to dota


lol no

does mmr matter or not for us non-pro players? is there any point to play better when the pro scene is so far away from us?

>>164488853
When I was 1k I tried it and got a refund, I felt like I wasn't getting value for it as someone who frequently watched purge replays and pro games, what really killed it was the fact that they didn't even have hero guides for any of the heroes I actually played.

I got out of 1k fine and fast without it.

>>164489050
The sooner you realise that, the more fun you'll have with the game

>>164489035
he's a phd compared to you. When you go to college you listen to the phd. You don't do your own thing

>>164489050
game quality increases with higher mmr

theres no point however if you're already having fun, also dont think you'll reach a point where every single game will be 10/10 that just wont happen

>>164489185
I play with friends that have won a battlecup. I already enjoy my games desu. If there's something wrong, it's usually me that's lacking.

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>>164489161
holy shit you dont actually believe this do you

>>164489035
Point me to a better pos4 player with comprehensive game guides?

>>164489050
even if ur 5k mmr you still aren't playing the real game. its kind of a shame which is why i just watch dota now.

>>164489416
unranked is the true dota experience

>>164484290
>>164484274
>>164484319
>>164484416
>>164484607
>>164484682
>>164484721
>>164484872
Nope. It's a tricky one

It's actually Valve pays income tax on tournament winnings

The very very very last thing that will ever happen is a corporation spending an extra 25-50%+ just for something the public would ever notice or care about

They'd just increase the prizepools to make it more flashy

>>164489520
>this

>>164489520
How did you misspell LPQ so badly

TFW you go big dick necrophos

>>164488964
He's probably 3K, the land where people still think midlane ganking is a thing to do

>Roughly 1 mmr point for every hour played

4106, I've come a long way

did PSG finally leave?

>>164489736
>Mfw peopel dont know about the manta style shadow demon necrophos build

>have a near hour long game
>game was very close the entire time
>lose in the end
Feels kind of disappointing

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>>164490069
PSG pls leave

okay for how many people play it no one talks about it. how the fuck do I win ability draft? I'm like 5k solo but have something like a 20% winrate in ability draft. I know talents fuck with things but I can't figure out what I'm doing that's so retarded. plz help