Fighting Games General /fgg/

Kilgore coming out soon.

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>face a guy
>28 winstreak
>get into a game
>dont think much of a his name
>beat him pretty handily
>how does this guy have a 28 winstr-
>oh

excuse the shit silver gameplay, i really didnt think his hurtbox or whatever was gonna go that far out when whiffing CA.
do you seriously retain your win-streak when you RQ?

>>164473492
>3DPD

>>164473430
tfw downloaded robo fortune but too lazy to start the game and learn her moves

why is life so hard

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Who do you want to see as new characters in Smash Switch?
Wolf is a must bring back imo.

>>164473559
rashid desu

>>164473430
wow why did parasol leak all over the ground
thats very lewd

Is juri even fun or do people just play a shit waifu?

Every time I fight a juri it looks boring as shit

>>164473559
ridley

>>164473459
For me it's the exact opposite

how do i find a main? do you even need a main?
i've never had any mains in games, but i think it would be nice for a change to stick with one(or more if we're talking kof, vs games...)

how did you find yours
based on looks, story, waifu, top tier, playstyle?

Anyone for XrdR PC US?

>>164473707
looks > playstyle

Saying you can only play one archetype of character is just insulting your own intelligence desu

>>164473698
DP and dash on stick are artificial difficulty.

>>164473707
all those things but in order of: playstyle>>looks>top tier>>waifu>story

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I don't know why there is this very bad stigma around MKX in these places. Personally I never really liked MK games because they always felt like weird puppets to me but MKX felt really good in comparison. Very fast, mix-up centric and fun. The original netcode was quite bad but then they gave it a newer rollback netcode which is really good.

I can't really explain why people seem to hate MKX so much. If it was, I don't know, MK9 I would have agreed with you but I find MKX to be really fun.

>>164473707
waifu
playstyle

>>164473707
>looks, story, waifu, top tier, playstyle
either
it's called having fun

like every time I tatsu into dp as akuma, I jizz

How do I play valkenhayn

How do I do the parry os in 3s do I just press either forward or down before every move?

>>164473842
There's no such thing as party OS retard

>>164473806
neither*

>>164473778
Dashing I can agree, but the dp motion is way smoother on stick
Also 632146 motions

>>164473792
honestly I just hate the way the game looks - the animations look jank as fuck and I don't like the string based combos. I also don't care for the gore, even if it's pretty much in the realm of camp these days

doesn't help that I wasted $60 on the shit PC port on release and wasn't able to get a refund despite my 3 hour playtime being 90% troubleshooting

>>164473881
Senpai you can literally wiggle your thumb and get a dp how is moving the whole stick in a z shape easier or faster?

>>164473701
>>164473608
>>164473816
Put Woke Zangief in MVCI

>>164473459
I just practiced 623 and can do it very nicely now (by labbing as akumer and doing dp into super, etc.)

dp on pad always comes out wrong

>>164473535
>do you seriously retain your win-streak when you RQ?
yes
but if you ragequit too much (like 3 times within an hour or something) you get banned from playing ranked for a day and lose 1000 LP

>>164473959
just wiggle the stick

>>164473959
I don't know, but I can't do VT loops on pad because I fuck up my dps

People thinking that adding Arcade Mode and other casual player's fluff will make them come back to SFV are crazy.

Honestly, I don't even think "no Arcade Mode" is the reason why casuals dropped and forgot about this game.

People just want good stuff, and can recognize bad shit. If the game was sold with the same amount of content but the content that was there was solid, functional and good I can guarantee the game would've sold much, much more.

The "no Arcade Mode" is just a meme to convey something a bit deeper behind the game's development.

>>164474219
agreed

anyone who complained about it should down a pint of cum and kill themselves

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>>164473430
RIKUO FOR MVC INFINITE!

#FISHBOYS

>>164474302
thats too much cum can we do like a shot glass or something

>>164474040
Wiggling a stick in an awkward z motion and just wiggling your thumb without even moving it are not nearly close.

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Reminder that Tekken 3 is the best Tekken.

>>164474351
its the same motion

>>164474375
Yeah and for one you have to move all your wrist while for the other you don't even have to move your thumb, just apply pressure in different spots.

>>164474340
you wanna take it outside bruv?

>>164474351
why are you wasting your time with sticks in the first place

>>164474372
Tekken 3 was complete shit, and this is coming from someone who likes tekken

>>164474432
wow your whole wrist? how tiresome that must be, be sure to take breaks so you dont sweat too much

>>164474219
Lack of arcade mode is not the kind of problem where anything would be solved by adding it now.
But lack of arcade mode in launch was yet another sign that SF V was rushed out hackjob.
Adding modes like arcade mode and time attack and what ever bullshit is not that much work for the developer, but it gives illusion of effort. And with videogames, sometimes just an illusion of something is important.

>>164474459
>brick has literal gay groupies

>>164474568
cumslurping goober detected

>>164474435
I'm very glad overall with my stick since it's still working perfectly after almost 2 years, also I think half cirlces are definitely easier and in games like melty i have no problem because it has button dash and with Ciel i don't really need to do DP motions much. When i play SF though and I have to dash manually and do DPs fast and on reaction I struggle a lot. Give Ryu a 22 DP.

I'm new (been playing for years but always Buttonmasher-tier) and I can't decide who I want to focus on in SFV

Vega or Karin? Who's easier to understand? Who's more rewarding in the long run? I love playing Vega but I don't know if I'm making it hard on myself with his unsafe moves and stance change

>>164474219
Nah, the casuals did give a shit.
Remember that the game didn't even have the meme story mode on launch, the only thing there for casuals to mess around with was survival which is just an exercise in tedium.

Adding arcade mode at this point is gonna bring anybody back, they missed the train, story mode proved that.

>>164474638
play Karin Vega got got this version

>>164474351
wiggling your thumb is way more awkward and results with way more random inputs than just doing the motion on a stick.

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>>164474372
fixed your chart

>>164474372
>Be bong water, my friend
kek, also wtf is a sniper bruiser?

>>164474443

You sound like you get buttmad when people stuff your poorly spaced attacks with jabs and fall for low tier backdash baiting all the time.

the weakness of analog sticks is that they aren't explicit "on" and "off" inputs.

that means there's more ambiguity with what input you're truly getting if you move your pad at a 15degree vs 16degree, etc.

>>164473559
chovel nit and squidnow kidnow

>>164474831
Long range bruiser obviously

>>164474874
>Tekken 3
>backdashing

>>164474831

Long reach on real moves that are not memes.

It is amazing how useful late wakeup into backdash is in SFV

Though I guess it is hard to chase a backdash with tiny t rex limbs

>>164474816
This.

>>164474715
In what way?

>>164474443
all old games are shit its not like this is news

>>164474874
I dont think you ever played tekken 3, the game is fucking awful

>>164475010
backdash gets stuffed by meaties though
only good if you anticipate a command grab, and even then a neutral jump is a better wakeup option

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>>164474816
>yfw ogre's oki/wake up in tekken 3

>>164475061
>all old games are shit
Except thats false, tekken 3 really was shit though.

>>164475127
Which is why you do late wakeup, most players don't know their setups for both wakeups.
If they do then back tech will handle you nicely.

>>164473792
It's simple: Mortal Kombat is way more successful and liked these days than Street Fighter. This triggers the capcom fanboy who usually has as only defense to play shit that it is 'popular'.

>>164475086

In what way?

>>164475225
LOL

>>164473792
>mix-up centric

theres your clue

I thought that Kens DPing after a blocked st.hk was a silver meme, not something that platinum Kens would do too.

>>164475171
old games are shit

>>164473792
Hating MK is a big meme and NRS has really come a long way, Injustass and MKX are genuinely decent games, their problems mainly come from the way NRS balances things, the games become pretty heavily vortex focused in the later parts of their life and they can't balance their DLC for shit.

>>164474969
>>164474935
Then whats a technician?

>>164475361
nah you're just a retard

>>164475205
but late wakeup is so fucking slow that everybody has already recovered from their whiffed quickrise timed meaty and can easily stuff your late wakeup, too
unless they whiffed a command grab or something else with a huge recovery on the quickrise timing

>>164475435
Meme bruiser

>>164475452
name a good old game besides HnK

>>164475263
Shit balance
Bugged
Low jabs the game
100% damage juggles
Ogre shitting on the entire cast for absolutely free
Untechable waning moon into death
untouchable due to his side step
very little depth, cant hold up to other 3d fighters from the same era

it was literally rise of the robots 3d version, it only sold because of its brand name and massive marketing campaign

>>164474816
Reminder that Ling has absurd evasion and a safe mid launcher, Jin has the EWGF into 75% damage and they're still worse than Ogre in Tekken 3.

>>164475454
You'd think so, but for some reason EVERYONE has trouble manually timing meaties in this game.

You even see pros fucking it up constantly.

>>164475454
a lot of normals have short active frames, so unless you know their whiff sequences are legit frame kills you are usually free to #riseup jab

>>164475225

imagine being this delusional

>>164475494
Samurai Shodown 2, KoF 98.

>>164473792
The problem is that newer NRS games, especially MKX and Injustass, become way too much mix-up centric at high level play and discourages neutral play.

This said, I don't "hate" MKX either. I hate more the practices of the devs when it came to the PC version. The game is good-ish except at high level play where it becomes too unga.

>>164475501
It also had pretty killer music and a great aesthetic.

>>164475347
it's pretty simple
>do move that's minus on block
>gets blocked
>expect opponent to start pressing buttons
>DP to beat buttons
of course, once people catch on and just keep blocking you eat a crush counter

>>164475501
Add ps1 loading times.

>>164475661
aesthetics were garbage, ill give you the game had some decent music

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I don't even own centralfiction, the power of sniff is too strong.

>>164473792
It doesn't reward you sitting there and waiting for your opponent to do something.

>>164475501

>low jabs the game

Confirmed scrub.

>>164475651
How is that a problem for you? You are a scrub at every game anyway.

>>164475662
>get opponent to stop trying to punish you for punishable moves
>just keep on mauling them for forfeiting their turn

the netplay special

>>164473860
Shows how much you know

>>164473842
https://youtu.be/7xb2AeqKjmg

Vega or Karin?

>>164475719
Yeah well that's just your opinion man

There's something I find really charming about that game's UI and menus

>>164475573
>>164475592
but we're talking about wakeup backdash, not jab
and i'm pretty sure that wakeup backdash still loses out to most meaties even if they are mistimed and come one or two frames late

>>164475435

Very specific attacks and mix-ups that seem random but using the wrong one will get you flushed due to subtle differences.

>>164475347
>I thought only bad players do dps after negative moves
Nah, it's a legit tactic on all levels of play in every game that has dps or something similar.

>>164475473
But isnt that Dr. B?

>>164475734
It's worth it

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Why is this allowed

>>164475734
I really want a blank daki. I think that a pillow that you can hug is neat

>>164475816
It's called "nostalgia"

https://twitter.com/noobde/status/816316923633729537

Really though, what's with the slowdown of Injustice news? Is it because of the VA strike since WB is among the ones they are boycotting and that means they have characters with unfinished or no lines at all?

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>>164475734
wud sniff desu

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>>164473535
>that name
>still silver

why do people not expect me to jump forward as guile?
like 9/10 my jump in hits it's fucking odd
platinum btw

>>164475910
Nah you're usually out of range because backdashes actually have a pretty decent range and normals are tiny

Like, it's not a REAL escape but you'd be surprised how often it works, especially if you ACTUALLY vary your wakeup recoveries.

>>164476010
that's just a cover, you put the pillow in the cover
blank covers do exist

>>164475761
Confirmed for never played Tekken 3

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>>164475494
gundam wing endless duel

>>164475771
duh
the risk/reward is still garbage
>they press buttons
>you get 120 damage on them and reset to neutral
>they block
>they get 300+ damage on you and reset to neutral

also, if you continue pressure, it's not very good either
>they block
>you do blockstrings, maybe land an overhead or a lousy 100dmg throw
>they press buttons
>you eat a counterhit, possibly a confirm into decent damage and reset to neutral

>>164473535
Yeah its retarded

That's why World Combo is still at the top of the leaderboard after being demoted for rage quitting like 7 times.

>>164476084

His name, or mine? As for me, I'm still mostly fighting bronzes to get me those sweet 5/15 points, and then get knocked down by someone. At least back up at 3796 so, hopefully, I'll be gold within the day.

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What if in KI 2(4?) your combobreakers are tied to your special guage, so you have to choose between breaking combos or continuing your combos?

Or is that bad design?

>>164476208
>Scaring your opponent into not pressing buttons is a bad idea
anon confirmed scrub, as usual

>>164476312
What if anon posted something dumb without understanding combo breaker mindgames.

Combo breakers aren't bursts.

>>164476000
My fucking sides

>>164476413
But bursts are their own guage.

>>164476495
Tying combo breakers to a resource is a buttfuck retarded idea, you'd wind up with 2 hit rounds constantly.

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>>164473536

>>164476208
It's the low percentage play, but it counters the high percentage play from your opponent which makes it not as bad.
Let's look at this from the not dping player perspective.
>opponent does a negative on block move
>you can either
>take your turn to start pressure
>do nothing and let him get away for free from using a negative on block move
It's not rocket science which of these is the better option and it gets countered by the dp.

>>164476159
>I can't deal with a linear range 1 move

Not that it matters, but I've played Tekken 3 online - where people no nothing but low jabs and pokes all the time - and I don't think that I've lost a single round because of low jabs. Neither a single one nor the cumulative effect of any number of low jabs matter to anyone who understand the fundamentals of 3d fighting games.

>>164475662
It's the same as Rashids spinning mixing your face and going for the EX one after block.

>>164476660
it isn't bad if you use it sparingly. it just becomes disastrously bad if you use it regularly.
it's kind of like throwing out random sweeps - even pros sometimes do it because it's good if the enemy doesn't see it coming, but if he does you get punished hard every single time and it's not worth doing anymore.

>>164476798
>Neither a single one nor the cumulative effect of any number of low jabs matter to anyone who understand the fundamentals of 3d fighting games.
Chanel got 2nd at KOIFT with playing exactly that with his Alisa.

>>164476868
It's a calculated risk, just like jumping or doing a slow poke.

>>164476798
>tekken 3
>fundamentals
LOL

Would korean arcades die instantly if Bamco decided to remove korean backdash from Tekken?

>>164477148
no they would be better of because tekken would be more popular

>>164477148
They play kof too
>But XIV isn't in arcade
It's coming and they still play 97

>>164476906

Chanel is like top 10 in the world now and the movement in Tekken 7 is appalling. It's much closer to a 2d fighting game than to Tekken 3. I don't even consider anything that came after T5DR a Tekken game.

Constant stair stepping is enough to evade low jabs and pretty much all pokes in T3.

>>164477079
>quote a thing
>say LOL

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>juri can literally anti-air with a s.lk

why did they even fucking include a jumping action if every fucking character can just stuff every jump-in or whatever with normals that don't even make any goddamn sense

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Plat is filled with people mashing on negative frames. Why teach people how to block...

>>164477507
the real question is why they removed that ability for some characters in season 2 (which is good) while letting other characters keep it

>>164477429
That is china.
And no one plays 14 anywhere.

>>164477538
did he not get the message that DPs aren't invincible anymore?

>>164477636
Korea as well you dummy.

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Anyone KoF13 EU PC?

>>164477538
>play sf
>complain that you play against sf players
idiot

>>164477681
That wasn't even the first or the second time I mashed st.mk and he kept trying to do stuff. It took him like 50 games to start blocking after that. """Platinum""" player.

>>164477729
calm down goober, theres still a chance for your game to make it to evo this year, no need to lash out just yet

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Anybody know if this is a good fightpad ?
how hard would it be to do 180 degree motion with a d-pad ?
>>164477719
i have it but i dont play because the netcode is shit

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7 minutes until the KI Kilgore dev walkthrough starts

It's live now

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>play against birdie
>get absolutely shat upon with no mercy

what in the actual fuck is this nonsense
i've never fought a birdie before and he just dumpstered me within 15 seconds, in a total of 3 combos

>>164477538
only explanation is that he thought its not that minus and didnt internalise it quickly enough

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>>164478209
>Itadakimas-
>YAMEROOOOOO

>>164478326
wow youre so japanese

>>164476906
>>164477473

Like, the default mindset in Tekken 3 was that attacks generally wiffed. The sidestep was so large and fast that minimal movement forced you be mindful and take a risk to even score a block or a normal hit. Very few moves tracked proper, you could even sidestep out of lots of strings. The default mindset it Tekken 7 is that attacks generally hit. The movement is so sluggish that you have to be top 25 Korean to even beat mashers unless you want to play via frame tug of war which is literally Tekken 2.

>>164478146
Why not?
It has standard delay netcode, kinda like Street Fighter 4. Apparently the console netcode was prone to desyncs but the steam version is playable.

>>164477473
Tekken 3 has no pokes, you use low jab to beat out other moves because of its retarded hitbox

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>>164478408
arigatou gozaimasu

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>there are people in this very general who do not use the modded alex outfit

bison vs karin
how am i supposed to do anything when karin is just better at everything i do and has a reversal with meter

>>164478635
this is the dumbest stance
is he trying to grab someones balls? lmao what a faggot

>>164477538
https://twitter.com/GeoffTheHero/status/814989761093902336/video/1

>>164478231
As Rashid? Birdie can be rough since you have to whiff punish his mashing in neutral with hp and cr.hp, also birdie will gamble his meter with chains and headbutts so you'll have to bait that

>>164478828
Right on spot. I'm starting to dislike how important that move is for Laura's neutral.

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>>164478635
The hair isn't dynamic, neither are the suspenders, his face is fucked, the scars look awful and the skin texture in general looks weird.

Everything about the overalls looks strange and inaccurate.

>>164478270
What do you mean only explanation?

He might have just confused meters, which would have made him think he had EX. It is fairly easy to come up with thousand different explanations.

Don't always assume the worst, kids.

>>164479097
if you think not knowing some framedata is worse than confusing your own meter...

>>164479046

and yet, all of this is better than the vanilla outfit, and the battle outfit 1

>The hair isn't dynamic

the hair isnt dynamic for any character in the game numnuts

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ITS 2017 WHERE THE FUCK IS TEKKEN 7

>>164479097
At some point you gotta stop trying when you get counterhit 4 times.

>>164478231
what's your main?
regardless - if you got bodied that quickly you were probably doing unsafe shit.
t. birdie main

>>164479238
The meter confusion is more probable as he didn't change his behaviour.

>>164479268

When it says "early 2017" it can mean all the way up to april

>>164479256
Nearly every character with long hair has dynamic hair.

Hell, even ALEX HIMSELF has dynamic bangs.
>Hating attitude era Alex
smdh tbqh family

>>164479268

He's delaying it so much because it sucks even more than TTT2. Play Tekken 3 instead.

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>>164479367
I NEED IT NOOOOOOOOW

>>164479319
my main champ is ken

>>164479268
At least it can't be worse than SF5, that's for sure.

>>164478475
i tried the steam version and it was pretty awful
also i think that people ragequit whenever they were about to lose
fightcade has better netcode

>>164479097
He fell for the same thing over and over. The other times it was just 3-4 of them.

>>164477719
miks pelaat hintti anime pelejä :DD
hintti

>>164479282
Saying "what the fuck, why it doesn't come out" takes about as long as that knee mashing, so I'm not convinced. When I've done something stupid like that, there is usually a proper explanation.

>>164475764
nigga you can scrub these nuts, play something

>>164479694
Do you need to hear yourself physically say it to process the information?
Just block nigga shit

>>164479439
some tips:
first: dont jump around like mad. birdies anti air game is among the best in SFV and he can juggle his anti air hp into chain for 240 damage. you can literally kill yourself by jumping in on birdie 4 times.

second, don't try to press buttons on wakeup. birdies normals have insane range, he can and will do meaty hits after his command grabs. block low to be safe. i get free wins all the time because shitters think they can press jab on wakeup - i stuff it with st.hk, get a crush counter, which converts into heavy bullhead from all ranges. that's a fuckton of corner carry and around 250 damage, all because some dumb fuck felt the need to wakeup jab. this also applies to non-invincible DPs - i can and will stuff them, so don't even try that shit.

third: don't play at half screen. birdie can and will abuse the range on his normals to relentlessly outpoke you and slowly walk you into the corner. you can play from far away if you want, but you will lose ground over time. your best bet is getting in birdies face and fucking him up with high/low mixups and close jumps that cross up.

in general, birdies normals are all slow as shit, so it's easy as fuck to pressure him because he can't really break frametraps without meter or being in v-trigger. also pressure him on wakeup - his only armored reversal is locked behind v-trigger, and his only true invincible reversal is his fucking super.

>>164477538
>look at my knee grow
>LOOK AT MY KNEE GROW

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>>164479621
Yeah, fightcade has better netcode.
Games with a caster where you can adjust both delay and max rollback are even better.
What's your point?
>>164479691
Because they are fun.

>>164477538
Yep, that's plat alright. You gotta make it to like, ultra plat before you start seeing consistently middling levels of play, and even that's probably not true anymore with all the point inflation

>tfw half of /fgg/ uses my react images

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NiVsWlzhDI

I miss having fun watching streams

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who /honesty/ here?

>>164479932
Eh, no, that was just an example, the point was that he didn't realize to confirm the meter in the passing moment, perhaps in frustration. That is simply more probable than him not learning to block in a situation like that as a Platinum player, unless he is a big fluke.

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>>164478828
>https://twitter.com/GeoffTheHero/status/814989761093902336/video/1

>>164480303
Grappler is dishonest by definition

Are there any mod tools for SFV that are not related to art assets?

>>164480414
take it back

>>164480303
I don't get it, what is the Onimusha guy doing there

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>>164478828
>Punishment time!

>>164480526
>Tom's original appearance resembles the French actor Jean Reno, and possibly inspired from films portraying him as martially skilled figures, his most famous being that of his breakthrough film Léon: The Professional.

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>>164480526
It's called Street Fighter Lore™ dad

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>fighting games
lmaoooooo

>>164479894
I love to scrub nuts

>>164480303
mika main here. thinking of picking up alex as a second.

any tips?

>>164480673
Why would you waste time practicing SFV when it all comes down to hard reads and commitment?

>>164480670
Wait why did he turn into an angel

I kind of want to read this, it looks retarded

>>164480673
>implying any of the people watching sfv want more people to be there.

>>164480756
cr. mp

>>164480303
>grapplers
>honest
Keep living in your delusion faglord.

>>164480932
Not as good as before
Cant even punish fireballs with it, rip in pieces

>>164480673
>that is just steam which is a fraction of this mobages userbase
ded genre

>>164478828
lmao

I havent played sfv in a while because of college . I heard mika is wack in s2 and I want to get to platnum. Who is the new gorilla character that I can just play like a retard with.

>>164481006
still gud doh

>>164477538
wtf how can I still be silver

>>164481215

laura

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I miss when capcom had a fun community with sf4.

>>164481327
I wish

Any good SFV youtubers? Still relatively new to fighting games and Cross Counter seems to be the only channel that's not shit.

>>164481280
Yeah but I don't get full v trigger punishes on blocked fireballs so I'm very very sad

>>164481439
If you need a combo or setup just type "[character name] combo/setup/guide"

>>164481563
Not so much tutorials my man, just content. I want to watch some fun sfv videos.

>>164480673
shadowverse is free, you can enjoy both games. i play shadowverse all the time. its great,.

>>164481760
can I go unga in it like in yugioh?

>>164481927
Just play sword and hit face every turn

>>164473430
>tfw started playing fighting games when ggpo came out so can never stomach delay netcode
>wanna play anime it's all on delay netcode
>unplayable

>>164481215
Urien and balrog are both wonderfully unga bunga nash into stunga

>>164481439
xuses posts lots of matches

vesperarcade for news, tutorials, and some streaming too

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>Erica's a canonical tranny

>>164481728
maximilian dood

>>164482424
How can people watch vesper? Guy's voice makes me want to ear rape myself.

Does anyone know if they did the KI tournament yet? The one they rented a concert hall for.

If not, do you know when it is?

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>>164481728

>>164482750
In March I think

>>164482208
Oh poor princess...

>>164482745
sounds fine to me. He's a more entertaining streamer than max desu

Hey /fgg/, been playing fighting games my entire life and I'm wanting to improve a lot now.

I'm halfway through the Footsies Handbook, any other good reads?

Going to click the pastebin now, sorry in advance maybe

Is learning the game first with Zangief detrimental for fundamentals? I like him the most, but I guess he's a gimmicky character being a grappler.

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>>164480673
HEAR THE DRAGON'S ROAR

there's literally more people in my friend list of fighting games players playing shadowverse at any given time than people playing SFV and more people own SFV

>>164474372
>play sfv
>trying to get some good ol whiff punishing in
>ply Akumas that just throw firba;;s or d risky things to get plus frames and mash their buttons
>so I'm just punishing

tekken 7 has more whiff puishing han sfv

hell i'm watching

>>164483014
Watch this, juicebox can be annoying but it can be much more helpful to visualize stuff than just reading endless streams of text

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQQCan5oo90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3DhboW6Q5E

>>164483046
no dummy

just pick who ever you want to play and learn the game with them

>>164483302
Thanks.

Does he still do the movements irl when he supers?

>>164482935
my only choice is to play mb which is a chore to et up matches with

>>164483046
You know nothing about grapplers.

Unless they have a dumb gimmick like + on block forward moving specials or a ridiculous vortex they're more often than not the most fundamental based characters in the game

>>164483302
Footsies handbook goes more in depth, has more examples and gives a bit of FGC history lesson too, having examples of bunch of different games across the years.

>>164483302
I like his "Footsies? I rather guess" picture because a counterpoke is essentially a guess on the opponent poking.

I hope the Arisen makes it into MVCI

>>164483514
"gives a bit of FGC history lesson too"
lol

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>>164483443
Speaking of melty blood

Reminder for any euros that there's an online tournament tomorrow

http://mechagsplays.challonge.com/mbaacc2017

Anyone from europe can join and have fun!!

Why is Ramlethal so cute?

>>164483672
I think it's cool to see matches in now dead games.

>>164483685
Playing Melty and having fun are contradictory.

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>>164483685
>almost half of the players are from /fgg/
Nice dead game

>>164483046
yes zangief mains are frauds. You won't learn anything but gimmicks and how to trick people with throws and his stupid v trigger

I love playing ken on wifi

>>164483515
*reads this post and begins to lightly chuckle aloud, gradually building into a loud cackle*

Anon, a counterpoke is not just a guess, it is a guess with a certain amount of thought put into it, Anon. Anon, why am I pressing this button at this range? *shuffles DDR and Scooter winamp playlist* Anon,...

>>164483747
its the price of being low tier

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did anything good happen in the world of fighting games today

>kilgore comes out in 40 minutes
>but is $10 and doesn't come with the big expensive $60 edition

torn

New generation of Street Fighter (SF4, SFxT, SF5):

>Defense often consists of waiting for your opponent to make a mistake
>Punishes are extremely easy and damaging due to how unsafe a lot of moves are
>Very big emphasis on knockdown/wakeup offense in SF4/5
>Neutral is toned down due to very stubby, slow and unsafe normals (SF5) or mechanics like Focus Attack (SF4)
>Neutral is dumbed down due to how strong punishing is (SF4, SFxT and SF5) plus things like crush counters and priority system which reward random hits
>Crush counters also make counter hitting and Max damage punishes trivially easy
>Crossups in the corner
>Throws are braindead because of how often they lead to setups and how much damage they do

>>164483883
Thanks juicebox.

>>164483837
I played a Ken yesterday.
When round started he immediately teleported in air, in middle of doing a tatsu.

>>164483986

yeah throws def werent braindead in st

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>>164483931
Kilgore for KI is a whopping 10 shekels but its for funds towards KI tournaments

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>>164483926
Millia is 10x cuter and top tier

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>>164483986
>literally complaining about "braindead throws" when being nostalgic about old SF games
>when ST throws exist

>>164483986
I fucking love the meme that focus harmed footsies, hearing it for years on end with zero substantive examples was a blast. The worst offense I can even think of is, what, rose doing focus backdash in neutral maybe?

but maybe I'm kinda biased cause focus was useless both as and against gief, maybe?

>>164484062
>>164484147
SF2 is what, 25 years old now?

Also, you're forgetting that SF2 had EXTREMELY strong neutral. Getting in on someone in that game was a reward in and of itself. In SF4 and 5 jumping is very strong and it is MUCH easier to get in on someone.

>>164483986
>Complaining about focus in neutral
>Throws weren't braindead in ST
>High damage punishes somehow make neutral dumbed down

>>164484347
How the fuck dos you play SF4 for thousands of hours and not know how focus damages neutral?

How the fuck did you miss the countless times that a player lands a lucky crumple and undoes literally all the fucking work you put into neutral?

>>164484347
https://youtu.be/jyeroOdccrk?t=1440 (@24:00)

Situations like this, I think, were what people were generally complaining about.

>>164484347
Focus covers both mid and low attacks.

>>164484347

>how does a zero risk massive reward move that absorbs and bypasses neutral footsies effect neutral

kys and filtered

>>164484456
See >>164484359

High damage punishes aren't the problem. The problem is how easy it is to punish people.

In older SF games you HAD to make your defense proactive. You had small windows where you could punish. In SF5,5 and xT you miss one thing and it can mean the entire match.

Not only that but SF4 and 5 have extremely strong comeback mechanic systems that make defense even more braindead because of the huge benefits you get if you just wait for your opponent to do something unsafe.

They tried to fix this a little in SF5 by making dashes and throws way stronger.

>>164483986
this is iterally what top tournament players have been saying for years

but geniuses in this thread will disagree with

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Is Ultimax worth 15€? I don't really give a shit about no one being online, it's just that it's 30€ less than usual.

I been playing a lot of Xrd Sign, but can't find a match online, is there a playerbase for Revelator?

>>164484347

imo focus was a fine mechanic that could use a tweak

>level 1 focus should not crumple on counterhit
>all level 1 focus into forward dash should be at least -3 on block (fucking chun's stupid ass +1 level 1 focus was idiotic)

other than that its fine

What's up with SFV matchmaking?

>set 4-5 bar connections only
>get a mika from Trinidad that lags the entire shit up
super epic

>>164473536
This seems like she would have difficulty doing Juri things.

>>164484347
Nah, focus in neutral was a complete non issue.
Crumple only takes effect on counterhit or level 2 and the fastest that can POSSIBLY be is like 20 fucking frames
You also had armour breakers, most of which moved you forward to additionally chase down backdash, some of them were kinda shit like Akuma's but that's more a character problem than a system problem, his armour breaker should've just been his tatsu.

If Focus REALLY destroyed footsies like memelords would have you believe then red focus would've actually been a big deal instead of just a combo extender.

>>164484890
Focus didn't destroy footsies but it absolutely made them weaker.

>>164484731
You still haven't explained how more dangerous punishes make neutral dumbed down.

>>164484787
sure, if you like Persona 3/4 the story modes have some value for you, and there are some characters that are fun to just training room as

you could just get the Nessica rip though, which is the current arcade version which consoles never received (just balance, no new characters)

>>164473559
Batman

>>164484476
Sure as hell never happened to me, but like I said gief kinda negated its use altogether.

>>164484517
Fair enough there, I guess I just saw it happen so incredibly infrequently that I never viewed it as an issue

>>164484572
>>164484581
Focus isn't a parry, you don't "win" because you absorbed some poke unless it's fei cr.hp or rufus cr.hp or some other button with absurdly long recovery, which was I think literally part of its intention because it loses to buffers of all kinds

>>164484890
>Crumple only takes effect on counterhit or level 2 and the fastest that can POSSIBLY be is like 20 fucking frames

its not a fucking poke

you can absorb shit

pressing pokes in footsies was a liability that could be punished by absurd damage just because of focus

>>164484805
If level 1 focus didn't crumple on counterhit it'd be more useless than it already is.

Perhaps just make it give a "mini crumple" of like, 5 frames or something.

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You're in the club and this guy FOOT-FOOTDIVEs your girlfriend's ass. What do you do? Keep in mind, he's got HIDDEN MISSILES and PHOTON ARRAY.

>>164485103

characters with kuso parries like seth and evil ryu could absolutely crumple standard medium and heavy buttons

EMP is back
you excited

>>164485134
This

If crumple only gave you like, a free sweep or special then it would be a fine mechanic.

But when you crumple someone you get to dash up and do a max damage punish. Same shit with crush counters.

>>164485178
As my lord, he has the right to any person in the society.

>>164485015
Does it help if i tell you the best thing my old laptop can run is MUGEN or else it overheats and crashes? I can't even play that one cool Pokemon Touhou game for more than 5 minutes or it does the same.

>>164485123
Only on counterhit.
If you've absorbed an attack you cannot fucking crumple someone.
Unless you've absorbed something absurdly slow that somehow allows you to hit level 2.

>It absorbs shit
Oh no your opponent now has white health damage taken that'll make your next successful poke even more rewarding.

Honestly if you're getting crumpled in neutral then your opponent got stupid lucky or you poke like a retard.

I'm not saying I like crumple though, I'm just saying that it's really not a big deal and if you whine about how bad it hurt footsies then you need to learn how to adjust your neutral game, focus in neutral is more often than not more dangerous for the person using it because of how easily it gets stuffed.

https://twitter.com/apollogeese/status/816126654263205889

desu im seriously thinking about getting into Tekken 7

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>>164485308
Only for empire combos

>>164484805
Chun's level 1 being plus was hilarious but also, yeah, probably shouldn't have been in

>>164485123
I never saw or talked to anyone who was like "fuck, I'm really scared to press a button here because they could be just randomly charging a focus in neutral"

Like maybe it was just something understood at a level below needing to be articulated by everyone but me, I guess?

>>164485230
True, seth's was like a fucking quarter screen chariot tackle in itself, and fei's was also ridiculous but fei didn't have to take that kind of gamble because whoever you were playing, fei's buttons were better than yours anyways

Anyone up for a NA sfv lobby? I can stream of anybody is interested

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>>164485573
>2017
>people STILL saying Focus attacks kill footsies
literally every character has an armor break move, throws break focus, most ultras beat focus

qft, this whole post is true

>>164485683
>silverback reno
you're suspicious desu

>>164485573
>Unless you've absorbed something absurdly slow that somehow allows you to hit level 2.

you can literally level 2 standard pokes if you ave a good focus

did you even play sf4

fuck capcom and fuck japanese people

>>164485683
I'm down

>>164485308
Only for the troll names like EMP_glltys_buttplug and EMP_RASHIDS_BOMBVEST

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>>164485606
Tekken is really fun and easy to get into

who is the best Jack-O player to watch matches from?

>>164485773
thankfully every character has an armor piercing move

>>164485773
I did and I never got crumpled in neutral unless I did something stupid like oni f.hp into an already charging focus or used a non armour breaker because I was unfamiliar with the character

>>164485772
He's harmless

I played Adon.

Wtf is focus.

>>164485773
It's like people forgot the thousands of times that a Sakura or Dudley or Seth or Abel or E.Ryu or Sagat, etc etc landed a focus crumple in neutral

>>164485683
i'll play,

merkyofaycePC

>>164485952
the move that you beat by pressing s.hk

>>164485785
Whats your cfn?

Twitch should be .tv/silverback_reno

>>164486045
So focus is every move? Cool thanks.

>>164485957
wow, and all those characters have a shitty focus attack compared to Fei Long, Makoto, Rolento. Fuck outta here

>>164486080
Ghodere, let me hop on

>>164486105
>>164486105
Those characters he listed has some retarded focus attacks. Sakura's is probably the most retarded one in the game outside of Gen pre-Ultra nerf.

I set up a lobby, probably easier if anyone wants to join. Pass is 5678

>>164485952
It's that thing you use to make your DPs safe and go for a throw.

Fucking Adon players I swear, I could never react to their DP FADC.

I ate a lot of back throws

>>164486256
nobody plays fighting games here sorry

>>164486196
lmao the ones i listed were even better than the ones he listed and he's arguing for focus attacks killing footsies and he didn't even list the best ones when arguing.

it's ogre

>>164486316
Dudley's is the same as Fei Long, Sakura is by far the best fucking focus in USF4.

If you want a focus that actually ignores footsies that would be Sakura's focus attack which is airborne while active and crushes any low poke.

>>164486539

sakuras focus punishes you for correct spacing because it retracts and makes your attack whiff, then you get crumpled for 400 damage

What fighting game has the most fappable girls?

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Capcom is clearly discriminating against Balrog.

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>jago is getting a spirit bomb

Stream is up. Inviting people will end it, so join with pass 5678

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>ULTIMATES

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>>164486754

>>164486681
400 damage that corner carries into a hard knockdown

>>164486714
SF

>>164486539
Sakura's was pretty retarded but the framedata wasn't amazing.

Focus only needed minor tweaks, make it more negative on level 1, fix some of the retarded hitboxes and properties and reduce the level 1 crumple reward.

>>164486834
>JAGO HAS A SPIRIT BOMB

>>164486795
>Ghodere playa balrog now
tier whore

>>164486717
Another case of the man keeping the black man down

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>>164486717

tfw dhalsims only air normal that can crossup does so little hitstun that its a true 1 frame link to be able to combo after it without a counterhit

>>164484787
You can 'emulate' the arcade version if you don't care for the story mode. Nestica got leaked and it runs on all windows pcs of course.

>>164486834
What are you on about?

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>Killgore is 10 bucks
YOU'RE FUCKING KILLING ME KEITS

>>164486962
gief is top tier now

>>164487098
dumb frogposter

>>164487348
Based Ghodere, gimping himself so he isn't a tier whore

>>164487171
KI has ULTIMATES now

https://twitter.com/IToTheG/status/816358952313225217
>jago has a fucking spirit bomb

>>164487284
Wait hew is not free? I thought he was a free bonus inbewteen seasons.
Fuck that not gonna buy seperate characters if they don't even have an arcade story mode. Yes Im still mad about Season 3 altough shadowlords is cool.

HOW DOES RAM FIGHT VENOM????

I JUST NEED 2 HITS TO WIN BUT ITS SO HARD
PLS HELP

>>164487494
Yo that's pretty rad. People have been asking for more ultimates iirc. How do you activate that?

whose a good kim wu player to watch?

>>164487494

wow, a cutscene with no gameplay elements!

that definitely wont get boring by the third viewing!