/r6g/ - Rainbow Six General

First for ps4 shitters

>>164449107
Do you have a source for this or is this conjecture?

WHY CAN'T I JOIN MY FRIENDS SQUAD
WE CAN'T JOIN EACH OTHER WE KEEP GETTING CONNECTION FAILED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>164449340
p sure there are small references to it. I mean shit, look at the whole tachanka bit where he was 'pronounced dead for a few minutes' and they fixed up his turret. Not to mention, theres no other reason, why would trained professionals be terrorists if it wasn't a simulation/test?

>>164449516
Yes but does it HAVE to be explained or be some form of cannon?

Do we have a working theory for why people respawn in other video games, or do we just take it as "lol this is multiplayer" but for some reason people on Siege can't help but fucking explain it as a simulation?

>>164449435
Gotta restart uplay, enjoy.

It's a video game. Jesus. I'm also 99% sure virtual reality was referenced as a training tool in the Rainbow Six book.

Virtual reality was referenced in the books
https://books.google.com/books?id=glmWVMH018wC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q=vr&f=false

>>164449183
Thank you for the proper OP, OP.

>>164449770
Didn't work, still getting connection failed

i just wanna play some casual :^(

>>164450013
>20 year old book
>using this as hard evidence that your multiplayer shooter is canon world building

LOL

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>>164449770
This doesn't work with everyone, i have problems connecting to some friends too. You ust have to find a friend that can host the squad and invite everybody...
Also why can't I get another discoball??!?!?!

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>tfw played for 25 hours and still don't know my way around the maps

>>164450279

>>164450226
Siege devs know what they're doing and using source material

>>164450325
It takes time. It tooke until about level 80 to learn my way around. I'm now level 157 and still learning new spots and angles

>>164450325
only 25 hours? thats nothing

does anyone else drop frames outside maps but once you get inside its fine?

>>164450686
How much VRAM do you have?

>>164450762
8gb, i thought an r9 390 would run this game better than it does

>>164450475
>constant VR shitposting
>It's literally a multiplayer game with no story present
>There is less story present in Siege than in Overwatch
>You are still drawing conclusions

oh my fuck please

>>164450935
I have an r9 390 and it runs the game fine

>>164451198
settings?

>>164450935
It should do just fine, I have a Nano and everything is on High or Ultra. The game shouldn't be too demanding on your CPU either..

How is the community on ps4 and how does the game run on the regular console? thinking of buying this game, starting to get a bit fed up with bf1

>>164451325
Res: 1920x1080
Texture Quality: Very High
Texture Filtering: 4x Ansiotropic
LOD Quality: High
Shading Quality: Medium
Shadow Quality: High
Reflection Quality: Medium
Ambient Occlusion: SSBC

These are the default settings that it set when I installed the game. Haven't bothered fiddling with them, looks fine to me. Runs at around 60FPS, havn't noticed any huge FPS drops

Trying to make my first webm, any tips? The default 3mb size is right, correct?

Here's a link to the vid I'm trying to convert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KxEuUp5Efw

>>164451957
How long is the clip you are trying to convert? good quality 720p30fps video max is around 30 seconds and 15 for 60fps

>>164452075
Yeah it's like 4 minutes. Damn. Alright, the clip isn't very amazing cut down to any given 30 seconds. I'm just a shit player and this is the second time recently when my entire team dies before we enter the building/plane and I end up performing well completely out of freak accident and the other people's greed.

>>164450961
>Bringing up Onlywatch for no reason

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>>164452201
20 seconds maxed at 3mb with HQ streaming on at 720.
8-10 seconds with 1080.

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>>164450325
>Only 25 hours
Everything checks out

>>164452201
It is a shame then. The part from 4:35 onwards would make a good clip though so you should make that a webm desu. cut from 4:35 to 4:56 to and drop resolution to 800x450 and you should get a pretty good webm with the 3MB limit

>>164450226

My head cannon is this

Article 5 takes place with the oringinal cast

The DLC operations are after article 5 and when the new operator arrive.

Just bought the game couple days ago and have grinded all the vanilla operators and some gun add ons.

Where the fuck is the legacy operator bundle? cant find it on in game store, on pc as well.

>>164452646
Legacy what?

>>164452438
>>164452343

I'll try. I'm making a clip of some dude with crazy lag killing me and taking zero damage despite me getting a 3 foot away shotgun neck/chest hit marker.

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>>164452836
Here's my first try.

So I was playing at like 5am, and every game was full of people from Spain, UK, and elsewhere.

Better than all the xmas children that have recently flooded the game.

But this bullshit happened.

Trying to make this one next:
>>164452438

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>>164452836
I'm sure you will enjoy this one then..

>>164452691
Appearently you can buy all the old year one operators in a bundle somehow somwhere

>>164453072
>Console
I found your problem

>>164453237
It's called Operator Bundle something, it's $19.99

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>Be waiting to join a game
>Someone gets added to the group
>Sees I have an anime name
>"Weeb faggot"
>Leaves

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>>164453553

>>164453551
Maybe try not having an anime name?

>>164453434
Let's not start platform bs. I left PC MP for a reason. I only play things on PC if I have friends playing them.

I'm sorry but compared to my era of PC gaming, there are too many children and outright asshole/narcissistic 18-27 year olds who make it unenjoyable.

Today's games are more balanced to cooperative multiplayer, not just each person knowing the basics and pulling their weight.

Considering most people online regardless of platform can't do the second, and are unwilling to do the first, I don't even bother get invested anymore. Every platform has its merits.

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>tfw you realize all you have to do in order to get to plat is find some comfy nook behind a whole bunch of clutter and just lay down with a hot cup of Hershey's Dark Roast CoCo™ while waiting for an enemy to walk by oblivious to the tiny fragment of you sticking out

>>164453703
PC has way less children than console.

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>>164453653
>Defending people being petty shitheads
Don't be stupid now
different anon btw

>>164454020
I don't like this gif
Why does she get slapped
She was just smiling

New player here.

How does the system decide who goes on what team? 99% of the time, I'm struggling to solo carry my team, who is either afk or tking each other in spawn.

While the enemy team is fucking seal team 6, and raping us.

Is this game always like this, or is it just because of the sale?

>>164454110
It's because of the sale.

Normally it's operator-tier stuff

It'll go back to normal soon don't worry

Casual's matchmaking is no-man's-land-anything-goes. I advice you go into ranked as soon as you are able to. You will have a very hard time in the placement matches most likely, but from there you should hopefully get better matches with people around your skill level

>>164450325
You perfectly illustrated the difference between R6S and CSGO

>>164453890
Yes, it has far fewer biological children. I can't explain what makes certain games on PC so much more obnoxious than on console or console equivalents. I can make some shit up, like the high amount of free or near-free games added to the huge amount of piracy cause people to have a low value for the games. Perhaps it's people on PC tend to take a game more seriously and be more competitive, which if you just want to have fun and not seriously grind skills or knowledge these goals can clash and guess which one is more likely to sperg?

It's hard to make an example with this game, because I've played it on PC and PS4. The only reason I play PS4 more is because I have a few friends on PS4 and we fuck around on Casual/Terrorist Hunt and have laughs. But I think we all know those games where if you were to examine Joe Casual or any decent gamer who just doesn't take that specific game seriously vs the general's meta it's a huge chasm.

>>164454236
I want to note, for the most part even the high level players on PC seem to be pretty chill and friendly people in this game, and from this thread.

Once more, any game is better with a friend and I just happen to have mine on PS4 for this game.

For BF4 I was convinced to buy it on PS3, and then met friends who had it on PC so another hundred fucking dollars dished out but I played the fucking shit out of it with them and had a blast.

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>>164454236
>wants to play Siege casually
>plays on console for this reason
You're fine in my book.

>>164454110
Its the sale. While casual is usually bad, I haven't seen it this bad in a long while.

Most of these people wouldn't even be capable of doing hard terrorist hunt with a full group.

>>164454236
Siege was too serious for you? Are you fucking kidding? That is the only reason anyone plays it. Occasionally we dick around in 5 v 5s or go shield team 6 on randoms, but generally we are playing to win.

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>>164454430
And you're why I use this general. Logical, friendly community.

Here's my webm from that capitao capture above, I had to try it a few times to get something not so ugly.

>>164454110
Sale new friendo.

Get to 20 asap so you can do them ranked matches and escape the legion of drool cap down syndrome kids that just bought the game.

>>164453746
What kind of backwater server do you play on? Here on AU servers even Bronze players drone everything.

>>164454561
How are you even recording on console

>>164454760
Ps4 saves the last 15 mintues if you want to save a clip

>>164454530
Well, to be fair I got the game not expecting a full blown MP-only game on PC. When I realized what it was, I was fine with it, but while I liked it I never really wanted to invest in getting amazing at it. So I played and put it down until frost/buck when a friend on PSN got it. So I got it to play with him, and we ended up making a small group of friends who play.

Being serious and being dedicated long term are a little different. I'm not dedicated long term and I'll never be a plat or diamond. But on the other hand I can have fun, use team tactics, and enjoy the game with others the way it is meant to, without trolling my team.

I think that's legit/ok.

If it wasn't as serious as it was I wouldn't like it. I'm not really into arcadey stuff like Overwatch that is all round feeling and imprecise. Siege is right in the middle. The mechanics are meh/ok but the feel is fantastic.

>>164454760
If you want to record something on PS4 you can use a controller button to tell it to record the next like 15 min. Alternatively and more realistically you can tell it via menu or button press to save the last 15 min. The console also has basic and advanced tools free for editing and uploading, including adding commentary or music, editing your memes in, etc. I put lots of clips on my YT of random shit for friends to laugh at, but I've never been into uploading otherwise.

>>164454561
It was literally impossible for someone to be where you were aiming as the room wasn't contested.

You should have been holding one of the hallways and not prone

Someone got the image of Carl from ATHF as Rook with Blackbeard at the window handy?

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Requested last thread. Sorry about the guitar.

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>>164455134
I'm a shitter. So that back left corner of the room (where you can blow a secret hallway out) isn't an area where you can challenge?

From that drop where would you have gone?

Also what's a good way to always gauge head level? I've always struggled on consoles to adapt to head-height to make headshots easier and quicker, so trading for me is always deadly, and more often I am forced to rely on ambush and flanking.

>>164455307
what the fuck happened here

>sign on
>queue for ranked
>wait 5 minutes
>get a match
>house
>offense
>move a few feet
>start getting shot from window
>return fire
>enemy ducks back
>glaz shoots me from behind
>dead
>wait for round to end
>defense
>fuse pushing up stairs
>peak and blast him with shotgun
>ash thought she would be cheeky
>she starts pushing up stairs
>peak and blast her with shotgun
>no reg
>duck back behind wall
>drop over dead
>alt + f4

One a day keeps the memes away. I'm honestly surprised at how fast I've deranked. Biggest jump was Plat 3 to Gold 4 after one match. Down to Silver 4 now after a couple weeks of oneadays.

>>164455565
I've been getting a little tired of Siege myself. It's good but honestly after a year or so it's starting to show its flaws at the seams pretty harsh.

Recently I've bought a shitton of nerf gear because my kids and I play nerf war, and the past 4 days instead of playing much I've been sanding, painting, and modding these guns.

>>164455428
>not much time left, decide to take quick peek into the nearby room and rush for the hostage
>get ambushed by jager, manage to turn and fire off one shot at him immediately before going down
>that one shot was a headshot, win match
>upload clip to post

>>164455361
The hallway you are talking about was reinforced. No one could have come from there. Before you drop in you should have a general idea of where the enemy is; north, west, east, south.

When I drop that hatch it's usual in the middle of an engagement, but if I do I'm aiming to the right of the door to luggage hallway.

You should hold one of the hallways; it's a 50/50

>>164455974
Did you see the full clip or just that little webm of 25 or so secs?

I'm a complete shitter and knew at least one person was upstairs.

When you say to the right of the door to luggage hallway do you mean beyond that little wall piece where there's vault-able luggage?

That makes sense as a predictable place for people thanks.

Here's the full clip of the round, my team was KO before I entered.
>>164451957
I linked it in that post so someone could watch while I tried to webm it.

Any tips? I appreciate your advice so far.

>>164454561
>>164455307
>ps4 players tend to play as the BR monkey
hmmmm really makes me think

>>164456356
You got no proof that the second one is even ps4

>>164455685
INTRODUCE THEM TO PAINTBALL, YOU PUSSY! WITH FROZEN PAINTBALLS FROM THE FREEZER!! YES I KNOW THEY'RE ONLY 5 YEARS OLD BUT THIS BUILDS CHARACTER!!!!

>>164456356
Actually I picked him for a "Win 2 rounds as BOPE Operator" challenge yesterday. I like sledge, smoke, mute, thermite, etc. Mostly I like a gun (Smoke, Mute), sometimes ability (sledge, Thermite).

But what I play most of all is whatever is missing. On console people just pick what they like, so I try to play what we're missing. If we are missing a good breacher I'll play that, but if we have one I compliment it. If we have mostly damage dealers I'll roll blitz with charges, etc.

>>164456857
I agree about building character, but I guess since you don't have kids it's hard to understand. You can build character without being abusive too. For example, my first born was a little "fragile" in that he'd get hurt easily and cry. We already wrestled around a bit but I started turning it up a notch, but making sure to keep a smile and take his blows with a giggle too.

So now he's a lot more tough and he got it through love and rough play. I was raised probably like you where men don't cry and stop being a pansy and don't be a fag. Girls get attention for crying, boys get shamed kind of stuff.

There are better ways to handle it without giving in to the pansies who just say let'em cry. Gotta find that middle ground.

Like that god episode of futurama. When you've done something right, they won't be sure you've done anything at all.

I'll remember the shit that made me tougher forever, like doing exercises as punishment until I was the only kid in my class with biceps and pec muscles. It was an abusive amount. My son will be just as tough if not tougher than me without ever remembering the shit I do, and probably even tougher because he won't have the emotional baggage of his mom/father figure calling him a fag or pansy for being a kid, then forcing him to do 130 push ups for letting the screen door close on its own.

Just bought this game today. Been playing for 6 hours and I fucking suck. I'll be lucky to get 1 kill a whole game, holy shit.

>>164457063
Its normal. Being good at this game seems to be a combination of a few things:

Using your operator.
Getting good shot angles.
Knowing your maps.

When you start combining them, you get some interesting stuff.

There's advanced stuff too, like knowing where people like to hide, how to flank people using the loops in the maps, and using the map destruction to get shots. Decent headphones are a godsend. Turn down the music.

>>164452207
>constant shitposting about how Siege multiplayer is canon and fits in with the lore of the universe because of VR
>implying this is stated or even implied anywhere
>someone references a 20 year old book from an author who has had no control over the name "Tom Clancy" since 2008

>Overwatch actually has characters discuss story details or makes mentions to lore in prematch situations
>While the game itself isn't canon their comments reference things that are

The comparison is apt.

>>164457526
Here's what I want to know. When I'm breaching a wall and looking to get first shot at the dbag prone behind a desk trying to peek what does that bullshit matter? I've never even read a clancy novel, nor do I care to. Let's not forget Overwatch is made by Blizzard who made Diablo 3 into a Disney story.

Story can be very important but in a competitive multiplayer game something as simple as that one game...Evolve the shit was, is simple enough. You're just cloned repeatedly or some shit.

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>>164456356
It's not their fault that the meme exterminator is so good.

>>164454236
>>164454418
I'm going to side with this guy. I play a fuck ton of shooters on PC and consoles and I also have started gravitating towards console. PC just has way too many fucking people who want to pick fights, troll, or just shit disturb for no reason other than to ruin shit... And it happens all the time. There is always one salty manbaby in every fucking lobby.

Play a shooter on console? Chat with a friend or two, and just relax. Kill people, have fun, log off and go.

There is also something to be said about the lack of accuracy with a controller - in some games it can actually improve the quality of the gameplay since people aren't able to insta headshot people all day long. As an example, I love Insurgency, but sometimes just having some dude with only 2 pixels of his head sticking out of a rock 100m away able to snipe you instantly with his laser precise SKS is just silly. It doesn't work that way IRL. Same with Siege - Ash and 1 speed memers aren't as much of a problem on console, because despite having a netcode advantage they don't come flying around the corner with 100% accuracy.

PC is still king for the hardcore shooters. I want to play ARMA or something that requires 100% attention I need to be at the computer... But just logging on to Siege with a few friends and having a good time is way better from my couch than from the computer chair

>>164457631
>I've never even read a clancy novel, nor do I care to.

Reading is for pussyfags.

>>164457631
I'm literally arguing that no multiplayer shooter needs a story, but for some reason every second or third general for the last few years there is always some fuck going on about how it's a simulation... But they don't do it for other multiplayer games.

It's just stupid and autistic if nothing else

>>164456141
I'll just list off things I saw:

>had an extra drone and never used it
You don't have to hard commit to droning, you can throw it down and ask a dead teammate to watch it

>didn't use the ladder and went down to under 50
Just use the ladder you had the time

>tried to kill people with the flame arrows
I mean it's possible, but they're not hitscan so they won't travel as fast as bullets

Etc

Defenders shouldn't be able to leave their area for 30 seconds after the game starts.

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>The red dot sight on huehue's crossbow is unique and you can't equip it on any other gun
Fuck you, ubi

>>164458183
>wanting the call of duty 4 airsoft red dot in rainbow six

No

>>164457821
Thanks man, and honestly you said it better than I could.

Someone said I was alright for acknowledging that I was playing casual and doing it on console where that kind of laid back, non-competitive attitude is more expected, and even the competitive is usually not hot.

I enjoy Arma 3 mods, and used to play with the general here for a while but there was a lot going on so I stepped out for a while.

If I want to get serious and pump some adrenaline, I'm on PC.

I wish I would have realized this stuff earlier because there have always been games I want to be serious with and games I just want to poop around in, but I think it came with age.

I'm also dad anon here: >>164457053

You on PS4?

>>164457948
I read, for example my grad present to myself from college was an 800 dollar book set called Great Works of the Western World, and I've been following the 10 year plan, of which I'm on Year 9.

>>164457949
I agree that it's stupid, but I wouldn't say autistic. To different people different things are important. For example those jammers would be able to blackout huge areas. I'm a comp sci nerd so this irks me. I want to see thatcher take out enemy comms too.

Some people hate gun stuff, or not enough mods for guns.

>>164458019
Any videos that show how to drone properly? I always end up just droning a room or two ahead because shit changes so fast, but it doesn't seem to help me. Am I just impatient?

Yeah, ladder jump was fucking dumb, my bad.

The flame bolt was to push them back from the door. I can't outshoot them, I'm a terrible shot on console, but on the other hand if I can push them as they pull away, I'll have the advantage. That's what happened, although a good amount of luck involved regardless.

Thank you for the feedback. I'll work on droning, look for videos.

>>164458224
But it's already in the game

>>164458256
It's on the HUEHUE memecrossbow which also shouldn't be in the game... and to their credit it's probably an alright optic to use on a crossbow but don't quote me on that

it's basically two pieces of cancer glued together

>>164458228
>you on PS4

Nah bud, sorry. On the Xbone :(

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>>164458435
It's all good. Maybe I'll see you in Arma someday.

>>164458351
Show us on this doll where the evil crossbow touched you anon

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>>164458553
>mostly realistic tactical shooter that stretches reality occasionally but remains totally believable
>adds a crossbow that shoots white phosphorus

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Trainspotting was a good movie
Also I want a map thats a train. If it's possible a moving train would be pretty sweet, or even a crashed and piled up one

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>>164458228
I'll use plane as an example:

Assuming a secure area attack on "basement"

The front of plane has one entrance from the outside.

Hide your drone in the office.

Round start: drone out office into meeting room and into kitchen.

Call out what you see.

You now have control over front of Plane.

Thermite or Hibana can now open secret hallway with essentially no risk if someone else watches the medical hallway.

If you have teammates pushing/ holding the hallway in the front basement you can drone ahead a bit if you want because if anyone where to try to go after you they would be in view of your drone and you can just get off and kill them.

You can hold kitchen from around the corner of the hallway that is to the right of the stairs because you can't get flanked if the hatch is closed.

A little late to mention, but watch to see if that hatch is closed or not.

The rest of what happens is different as players react with counters differently. But you should be in a favorable situation assuming your teammates can apply pressure without dying.

>>164458958
Everyone was hoping for a subway station map for Japan, which would have been awesome. Instead we got some sort of hi tech tojo castle on top of a massive tower which is weird but alright

>>164456584
It is definitely a controller, though.

>>164459023
No we weren't and we all know it wasn't going to happen, because they have actually had a subway station biochemical terorr attack, and Ubi strays from stuff that might be sensitive.

>>164459259
Does this mean no train or train station map for the Spanish operators? :((((((((((

>>164458228
I knew you were a fucking wierdo a few threads ago but this just keeps taking a turn for the worse. Toss in some childhood abuse and console pleb too.

>>164459259
>women hostage in a suburban house
>chemical weapons attack targeting a university campus
>a map is literally the Waco Siege
>another map is heavily inspired by a real life Hells Angels compound which is kind of fucked up considering they remain a real problem in many communities

>>164459479
wat He seems pretty normal and logical to me.

>>164459259
>Make a map about the Favelas which is almost like a hell on earth for the people who have to live there right this second
>This is cool

>Terrorist attack in Japan that killed 12 people 22 years ago
>Taboo as fuck

Would you rather I go with the more traditional complaint that we got a map called "Skyscrapper" which is just a Nip castle with 2 floors and nothing resembling a skyscraper aside from the spawn points... instead of instead of something like Die Hard 40 Stories of Sheer Adventure type shit?

>Play the game
>suck
GODDAMN IT WHY, IVE HAD TO QUIT 3 GAME IN A ROW DUE TO ME GETTING FUCKED ON
A CAV EVEN FUCKING KILLED ME WITH HER PISTOL WHILE I WAS RAPELLING THE FUCK

Is playing ranked in R6S like playing ranked in CSGO, where if you don't start your way up the ranks early in the season you get bogged down in all the games dregs for the rest of the season?

Or am I just toss?

>>164460173
The later season the more plebs are in each rank to help push you up. Used to be a lot harder to get gold, then a lot harder to plat, now it's standard for a not-retard with team to get diamond.

>>164460274
Maybe I'm just bad then. I'm currently stuck hovering between silver II and bronze IV. Every time I get silver II I end up in a team with retards who can't hold angles or peek properly and AFKers .

>>164460173
You rank up or down in like 2-3 games this season, so no

>>164459519
>women hostage in a suburban house
Unspecific
>chemical weapons attack targeting a university campus
It may be based on Harvard, but Harvard hasn't been attacked by a bunch of terrorists with chemical weapons.
>a map is literally the Waco Siege
Waco was in Texas. We don't have any maps in Texas. And if we did, Americans certainly wouldn't give a shit about a bunch of pedophile terrorists that got set on fire.
>another map is heavily inspired by a real life Hells Angels compound which is kind of fucked up considering they remain a real problem in many communities
But they haven't actually had a bloody raid conducted upon them by security forces.
>>164459780
Not based on any specific incident, just a generic favela where degenerates get massacred all the time.

>>164460485
I don't understand the point of this post.

>>164460548
I don't understand the point of yours.

>>164450518
There are way too much maps, and they keep adding more even without new dlc ops. I hadn't been playing the game from mid-skullrain to mid-redcrow and I get lost on skyscraper and university every time.

>>164456141
>Any tips? I appreciate your advice so far.
Learn how to use ffmpeg directly not that retard-converter shit
Make 480p or 540p videos
Vp9 still isn't allowed here?

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>>164460485
>Map is literally the Waco Compound
>LOL BUT IT'S NOT LITERALLY NAMED WACO, TX SO IT'S OKAY

By this logic alone if you set the Subway map outside of Tokyo it'd be fine.

>Hells Angels are okay because they only flood communities with drugs and shoot at police officers but since it's not a very specific instance referencing one piece of history it's okay

Once again, same logic, it could be a Kyoto Subway station and not Tokyo and it's not the Sarin attacks of 95

>lol fuck the people who have to live in the favella
jesus christ you are edgy

>>164460907
Even if it was literally Waco, no one would give a shit, and it isn't so it never became a thing.
People might give a shit if they did a subway map for Spain or Japan.
Yes, it is okay because there is no specific incident to base it upon, and Germany isn't a big sales demographic for the game.
No one gives a shit about people dying in Favelas, including hue hue monkeys.

>>164461175
>People don't care about one thing but care about another because I said so
>I'm going to ignore the games singular campaign mission is a terrorist attack on a university campus which is a hot button issue but nobody cares

>Germany isn't a big sales demographic for the game
>implying Japan is

hahahahahahahahahaha keep going I love this

>>164461175
>>164461314
You're both fags and super annoying. Stupid fucking artists mock up art for an area and rooms full of fucking idiots nod their heads about it.

Then it's made.

No predicting factors.

>>164461314
>People don't care about one thing but care about another because I said so
>I'm going to ignore the games singular campaign mission is a terrorist attack on a university campus which is a hot button issue but nobody cares
Yes, I don't know what it is so hard to understand. The United States doesn't care about Waco. Ubi was hesitant on the Bartlett map, but decided it was okay because it isn't based on a real fucking attack.
>Germany isn't a big sales demographic for the game
>implying Japan is
Germany is super cucked with shooters and they aren't that popular there. Meanwhile, our first four DLC operators were based on the games biggest four player populations. So yes, Japan has a big Siege player base for some reason.

>>164461314
not that dude but the game seems really popular with japan

they even had cosplays for it

>>164461447
>First DLC based on games biggest player populations
>DLC was announced long before the game was even sold
>Operators released as DLC seen as far back as alpha footage

You my man are a legend :^)

>>164461546
>They can't predict regional sales
Fuck, you are retarded

>>164461679
Pot calling the kettle black, friend. Keep going tho cause this is good and I still have popcorn left

>>164461546
Playing devil's advocate here, but it's possible that they developed alpha versions of the DLC ops as neutral ops with a unique mechanic, then assigned them to a CTU based on regional popularity.

Not saying that's what they did, just saying it's a possibility.

Kurwa Ops when?

>>164462334
Summer

>>164462527
Fuck, why so long

>>164462326
Entirely possible, absolutely, but it's also possible they had an idea of what year 1 was going to be based off what was cool / what they wanted to do.

Out of all the countries that scream demographics pandering, Japan is the only one. BOPE makes 100% sense in the game cause they deal with fucked up shit on the regular. JTF2 and The Navy Seals don't need to be explained... But Japan? They admitted in an interview they had no idea about what makes the Japanese SAT a thing, and just used it as an opportunity to do futuristic "what if" stuff (which is why we have the drone, the holograms in the skyscraper map, etc)... but at the same time from a diversity standpoint they had no asian countries until Japan, so... Who else you gonna choose?

If Demographics were a part of this I imagine we would have seen Australia over fucking Spain. This might be just typical Ubisoft behavior we have seen over the last year - just doing whatever the fuck they think feels good without thinking about it

>>164462753
>they had no asian countries until Japan
What about Canada?

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>>164462753
>If Demographics were a part of this I imagine we would have seen Australia over fucking Spain.
>Australian/South Pacific ops fucking never

>>164462850
I only argue that year one was demographics.
>>164462753
BOPE was retareded, they aren't even SF, it is a Police Favela deathsquad.
Not that I have any problem with it.

>>164451683
It's a smooth 60 fps and the community is active

>>164462850
Picture with countryballs ctus is required.

>>164453551
There are so many fags with anime names and avatars in r6

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This Helmet + Gas Mask combo is doing things to me.

No release date for the first S2 Ops, huh? It's nice to able to spend renown without having to save up.

>>164463702
New ops every 3 months, SAT were November, so next ones won't be until February.

>>164463702
03.02.17

>>164463702
>Not having the S2 Season Pass
Pleb

>>164464596
>giving ubisoft more money
but why

Can anyone show me what the division skin looks like on the sub machine gun? Every fuck on youtube only shows the shotgun. Also, can I use a gift card to get it?

>>164450161
Join from uplay client not overlay

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>>164467594
my settings are quite shit but here you go

>>164467878

I need that shit. Now if I can use this gift card I got for christmas I'm all smiles.

>>164467878
>That UMP set up
I use the angled grip, but other than that good shit

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Some New OC I Drew

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>>164468656

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>>164468656

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>>164468656

>>164450325
Start a Local Custom game by yourself, extend the round timer to ten minutes, and learn each map on your own.

>tfw welcome mat kills

>>164470204
>tfw edd kills

>>164465121
so you havent bought the game?

what could be mira's gadget

Provisionally playing on xbone since my computer got damaged on an accident and it will be a while till I can afford parts that satisfy me.
Hows the game faring in Eu xbone?
What bundle do I buy?

>>164464596
>4 more Y1 dlc ops left to buy
>I don't have few basic ops too
>i'm starterfag

no way I will make it through year 2 without pass I guess

>>164471124
ENHANCE

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>>164471416
>mfw only 5k renown left to buy the last dlc op

>>164471256
anyone?
I'm new to the game and very excited but dont wanna find empty servers.

>>164471712
I play on xbone NA and I don't have problems finding matches

>>164471124

I'm surprised there's no fake noise gadget that plays fake gunshots/footsteps/explosions etc

Now whether that's an attack or defense gadget I don't know, probably attack.

>>164453553
Try improving your aim, it's all over the place.

>>164471124
>make 1 wall completely indestructible

Y/N

>>164472339
no

>>164471124
Mira?
her name is leaked already?

>>164472339
would be pretty weak imo

>>164471124
Refill another operators gadget

>>164472558
balancing a game for casuals is a mistake

They should add a square in chess that your enemy can't move to :^)

>>164472557
>e team of engineers led by Elena “Mira” Alvarez Del Manzano added a ballistic shield that protects the head from frontal shots.

from midseason reinforcements patchnotes, so I assume it's one of spanish ops

ded gem
ded thred

>having a session with some try hards last night
>they're literally sweaty
>3/5 are underage
>the other one is foreign
>still got the W

>>164473464
alive gem
ded thred because euros suck at bumping thread

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>>164473738
>>164473464

Dead game

>>164473798
Dead Fuhrer

Ranked is literally dead
no joke

>>164473864
No problems in NA for me

>>164473943
rank?

>every time I play ranked it's some ESL reject spouting about how he only plays with diamonds on bomb mode

>>164473998
Plat 3

>>164474030
what time are you queueing?
>>164474018
Sounds like your banter skills are copper

>>164474094
Usually in NA evening

>>164474136
I mean right now is dead family

>>164474094
I usually talk enough shit that they team kill me, then I spectate them and call out every bad move I see while berating them for their trigger discipline and aiming skills.

>>164474164
Well of course, it's a morning of festive season
that's not really rare

>>164474209
I aint talkin bout chattin shit bruv

you gotta tread the wire of a man pysche

>>164458832
For all you know that might be what they consider a reasonable tool for spec ops in hueland.

>>164450325
>tfw 90 hours in and I still dont know half of the maps
I played on nip tower for the first time yesterday.

>three team mates leave resulting in 2 v 5
>decide to leave
>it puts me back into the game I left with 1 team mate
What the FUCK is this bullshit

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got new a5 bamboo instead of a6 one.
GIVE ME AN IDEA FOR A MEME

>>164475467
>Quitting, ever
You deserved it

>>164475158
I wish you could only play one certain map, over and over and over, and then switch to a different one at your leisure.

This is why matchmaking sucks, and we should just have a list of servers that aren't full to join.

>>164475524
But I had just joined the game and 3 team mates left as soon as the picking phase began. Why should I play when the team I'm on is handicapped?

>>164475587
To git the gud.
Remember you are playing a game where 1v5's are completely possible if you own up to the challenge

>>164475587
Because getting 2-3 kills isn't unreasonable. It's good practice for having less distraction to cover you. You can only get better. What's more important, easy or guaranteed wins to puff ego, or being the very best?

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>be shitter
>only play casual
>get shit on in casual
>try ranked
>this happens

>>164476359
RADICAL
A
D
I
C
A
L

>>164476359
>>164476359
you're not a shitter you god damn liar

true shitters go 0-3 every game like me

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Blackbeard tranny Elite Skin WHEN

>hostage on winter ship
>resquer bodyblocks with hostage
>hostage gets headshot
This happens in every second game.

>>164475524
If you're playing a retarded team that doesn't think 2 enemies are a real threat they are most likely going to rush you, so if you play it right it should not be hard at all to kill at least 3

>>164475546

Not really most shitters would play 24 7 house or something

The broken system actually forces you to play all the shitty and good maps

>>164476359
>golds and silvers

makes sense

>>164475546
the only thing matchmaking (casual) needs is a fucking elo system.

>smoke gasses ash
>"DON'T LOOK SO GUTTED ITS NOT THAT BAD"

>>164476876
>dust line dlc.jpg

>>164478668

>Bandit destroys thermites charge


WHERES YOUR BIG FUCKING HOLE NOW

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i wish we had a real fucking campaing mode, and not a shooting gallery like terror hunt right now, but swat-style. creepy as fuck missions full of biggest scum possible. and 1 enemy being actual threat. i remember replaying gas station in swat 4 so many times because these 3 faggots blew my shit every time.

>>164478868

>not the cult
>not the mission where you storm the serial killers house


Also we get this FUCKING post every thread

>>164478468
it's called ranked

>>164479094
serial killer house is a huge letdown, but I enjoyed peppering the mom.

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From the most recent patch notes the new operator Mira was teased, along with a bugfix saying they removed cases of "Press <key> to enhance". It's almost certain that will be her ability, given that she's been showing doing the same thing to Tachanka's turret.

Now to speculate on what she might do for every defense operator. If some of these aren't the case, it could just be refilling one gadget for certain operators when applicable like someone else suggested.

Mute: Enhance deployed jammer radius
Smoke: Enhance the range of deployed toxic babes
Pulse: Passive range or scanning frequency bonus
Castle: Enhance the durability of reinforced barricades
Rook: Enhances the protection of the armor plates (would be tricky to do this before someone picks it up)
Doc: Passive stim healing bonus from 40 to 60
Bandit: Enhance damage of electrified gadgets (at least double)
Jager: Enhance the charges of the ADS from 2 to 3
Kapkan: Enhance deployed EDDs by making the laser invisible
Tachanka: Enhance deployed DP28 with a leg shield
Frost: Enhance deployed welcome mats to become lethal
Valkyrie: Enhance deployed Black Eye cameras to remove spotting notification on attackers (only on cams that are reachable)
Caveira: Passive noise reduction on Silent Step, interrogation marks last twice as long
Echo: Enhance stealth capabilities of deployed Yokai drone

Imagine having a team with Mira, Mute, Bandit, Jager, and Kapkan. That's 14 deployable gadgets that you'd need to enhance which could take the entire prep phase even if you enhance things nearly instantly, or even more considering you'd have to follow Kapkan around.

In the cases of Pulse, Caveira, and Doc, I think she'd definitely be able to interact with these operators in some way even if they don't have a deployable. I don't think the devs want to create an operator who is over half useless in some team compositions.

Thoughts? What else could Mira's ability be?

>>164479506
I think you might be overthinking. 'Enhance' might just mean enhancing her vision slightly or something.

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>>164479506
shitty, upgraded version of a ballistic shield. mark my words.

>>164479506
enhance muh dick

>>164479506
If it's enhancing the other ops gadgets like that, I imagine it'll probably be a passive benefit of her coming along so she doesn't have to spend the entire match running around clicking on every toy, or maybe you just have to walk up to the operator in question to enhance all of their toys retroactively.

>>164479939
>hey jager let me enhance your ADS
>w-what?
>just let me enha-
>REEEEEEEEEE

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>>164479506

Mira is

CUTE!

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>>164479506
>Playing Smoke, set up a gas trap in the hostage room
>Mira enhances it without telling me
>Blow it and the hostage dies

Most of those seem okay though. The things I'm not sure about are better Rook armor, invisible Kapkan traps, and lethal Frost mats. Personally I wouldn't mind Rook and Kapkan being a lot stronger but I can see this leading to a lot of complaining from the average player. As for Frost, it removes a bit of her unique playstyle where you lurk on the map near your traps, then pounce on your victim before they get help. It would just be another place and forget gadget.

Also, will Mira finally be our first THICK 3 ARMOR FEMALE OPERATOR?

>>164479506
>Echo: Enhance stealth capabilities of deployed Yokai drone
How about letting the Yokai drone mark instead?

>>164480279
she only has a vest in that picture of her so probably not 3 armor

>>164479506
She can make cameras zoom in and enhance

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>>164480279
thicc

>>164479595>>164480609

Considering mira basically means "look" in spanish I'm pretty sure it's something like this.

>>164479506
Mira is not an operator, she's an engineer.

>>164480914
And Valk is an intelligence officer. It doesn't matter.

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>>164480137

she looks like the female version of BFBC2 engineer

>>164480609
>>164480704
>one operator solely dedicated to zooming in on a handful of static cameras which are immediately destroyed, plus valkyrie's cameras if she's even chosen
>would only ever be used on outdoor valk cams, but most people aren't blind and don't need to zoom in to see someone

Wonderful operator, 10/10. Definitely adds something new and fresh to keep people playing this game.

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>AUG doesn't get a muzzle brake
literally why? what the fuck

new content when?

I just blew like 80k on making my whole SAS team look like turds

How do I fix insane lag on the screen before a match when you have to pick your operator? That's the only time in the game that I get insane lag and sometimes it causes me to get stuck with recruit. I've tried limiting my fps, alt-shifting, nothing works.

>>164482112
>using the muzzle brake
literally why? what the fuck

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>>164479939
>upgrade Pulse's scanner range back to 13m

>>164479506
>Frost: Enhance deployed welcome mats to become lethal
This would ruin Frosts synergy with Cav though

>Valkyrie: Enhance deployed Black Eye cameras to remove spotting notification on attackers (only on cams that are reachable)
I think removing the blue light would be a better buff

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Should I buy all the base operators before getting the DLC ones?

I currently have Valkyrie and Hibana.

>>164482924
That is what I did
It gives more variety and the base operators are pretty good

>>164482924
get thermite and thatcher at least

>>164482897
I knew someone would think of a better enhancement for Valkyrie. There's been lots of times I've tried looking for a cam that I could only see because of the light when active.

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>>164482779
>post patch 19m scanner
that month was absolutely savage

>>164482626
It's better than flash hider for burst fire tho. Ubisoft.

>>164483738
But unlike flash hider and suppressor it doesn't remove the hud notification when you shoot at someone.

>>164483797
Flash hider doesn't remove the threat indicators.

>>164483842
I thought I read somewhere that it did.

>>164483738
>It's better than flash hider for burst fire tho

No, its a completely useless attachment on non singlefire weapons. It only reduces the first shot recoil and if you aren't shooting in single fire or using a DMR thats completely useless.

>>164484061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jye_7u8ydYQ

>>164484264
That video is outdated, muzzle brakes were busted when they first came out.

>>164484504
is there any crash course on barrel attachments?

>>164484061
>>164484264
It's completely personal preference. Even pros swap around their barrel attachments each season.
The muzzle brake is great for guns with high recoil on the first few shots - stuff like the C8, Type 89, 556xi, 552, SCAR, and P90. That said, there's no reason for ARs to be missing any barrel attachments. They nerfed the AUG in the last patch by increasing its first shot recoil but still don't give it a muzzle brake.

>>164484504
Check the date, this video is from the most recent patch where they tweaked the recoil of nearly every gun.

>>164484632
Suppressor is for when you wanna be sneaky and is probably the all around "best" because damage doesn't really matter when you're getting headshots.

Other attachments depend on the fire mode you use with your gun.

Extended Barrel is for if you wanna be a cunt and tickle people's feet to death under doors and shit like that.

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>SAT challenge
>SAT registers are still broken and my wins don't get counted

>>164484680
>It's completely personal preference
You can play without attachments at all and it would be personal preference too. But muzzle brake is objectively better for burst fire, you can see that bullet spread is tighter with it.

>>164485076
oh fuck I thought that was just my counter being slow
I won 2 earlier but it wasn't counted right away

>tfw over 400 hours into this game and haven't felt like I wanted to play for the past 12 days

Fuck man I guess this is it for me, this season sapped the life out of me. Keep on breaching my brothers

>>164485312

just wait till the spics your burned out

>>156351082
>>156351082
>>156351082

PLEASE RESPOND

PS4 SERVERS DOWN?

>>164483332
>be pulse
>have a 100% alright pick rate at 10%
>have pretty decent guns and a nitrocell, crucial tool
>literally designed to roam so you don't have to camp the objective
>gadget is tricky to use sometimes and has quirks but it's legal wallhax so it makes sense it's not easy
>perfectly healthy spot in the game

>Be Ubisoft
>See this
>Decide to make his gadget more "friendly" or some marketing shit
>It's a sloppy update that ruins the aesthetic appeal of the gadget
>Left side of gadget is REAL TIME TRACKING
>Quick switching from gadget to guns destroying fuccbois
>Nitrocelling everybody with 100% precision
>Pulse has a 20% (read, 100%) pick rate

BRING HIM BACK UBISOFT

>>164485312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5j-9cCHkq8

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Requesting this picture but with Monty explaining to Recruits that not everyone can be jäger and ash and that we need Rook and thermites

wtf I can't even collect Renown with the boring offline shit when the servers are down?

wtf ubisoft

>>164485925
This is by far the most bizarre change this game has ever received. Pulse was one of the most balanced operators in the game both by pick rate and utility.

Nobody was asking for any changes to him, but they go ahead and fuck it up for no reason.

no more charm challenges? nooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8Cdrkzo7M

Congrats on rainbow having a great first year, i made a frag video with some clips i had laying around, I hope you guys enjoy it! Tell me what you think and share your videos too, I like watching different peoples play styles.

Vids were from ranked (diamond) and casual

>>164486451
>tfw don't have russian one, medal and canadian

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>>164487585
WOW (DIAMOND)!?

YOU'RE SO GOOD!

>>164486305
I just hate how it looks like fucking shit now. It does the "sweep" but it's not like a radar sweep where it starts out strong and fades after the trail, no, the sweep just makes the entire screen real time radar until it hits the right edge of the screen, and abruptly resets.

I mean it's so obviously ugly to anyone who looks at it for 5 minutes.

So the result is the left side has almost real time tracking and the right side has virtually no tracking. How did anyone look at that and say "Yeah this is perfect"

>>164458135
I agree

>>164482380
Uninstall your cheats

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Claymore or breach charge for Twitch?

>>164488040

thanks

>>164489535

breach. She clutches like a three speed for hard flanks regardless of speed and sometimes you need the breach for flexibility if they have castle barricades.

>>164489535

I like claymores on some maps

So after 60 hours with only hibana i have concluded on the loadout that is simply the best for her

Type 89
Acog
Vertical Grip
Compensator

Bearing 9
Lazer sight
The triangle red dot sight
Compensator

t.plat

>>164490503
>acog

It's a shame it's so mandatory, I hate the model. I've always hated the reticle and how the housing looks. Where's my ELCAN? Where's my SUSAT?

>>164489535
if you're going to push with the team>claymore
sitting back on a drone and flanking/clutching>breach

>>164490863
agreed, i like how fuzes acog looks though.

>>164490865
though it also depends on the map. If you're on one where there are a lot of defending flank routes and shit, claymore is gonna be good on those especially.

>>164491012
Protip, Fuzes "ACOG" is actually a red dot in real life with no magnification

Other protip, Russians use the same optics everyone else in the game uses IRL, so them using sloppy Russian shit is weird

Ubisoft should just allow us to select the Russian optics on any gun. And they should add more cosmetic options for optics or maybe even one or two others.

>>164453553

>only see one bullet hit
>taking this long to shoot at an enemy when they murder one of your downed team mates

you aren't very good at this game.

I'd sacrifice the ACOG on all defense SMG's if it meant we'd get a 1.5x sight instead for ALL defense SMG's.

>>164491470
They should let us change the color of the scope for like 30k reknown per color so that not everyone is running around with them more of a exclusive thing, that would be so fucking cool.

>>164458224

>people actually use the eotech holo sight

There's a reason the US military sued the shit outta them btw.

>>164484504
>Recoil Patterns in 5.2

>>164458135
>>164489084
get good

>>164491837
>believing the laws of physics only apply to L3 products

top meme friend!

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>>164491837
>>164492230

/k/ pls

They should put in a point penalty if you're alive when you lose. Watching shitters stare around a corner for a minute not doing anything only to realize they don't even have time to reach the objective when 15 seconds hits is infuriating.

>>164459023
>>164459259
More like they didn't make a subway station because it has shitall for destruction

>>164492795
Count that as death would be better probably. No more kd saving.

>>164491837
This is news to me. Why'd they sue?

>>164493112
Yeah. Just something to get those fuckers off their asses.

>>164486214
Please get on this draw friends, I like the idea

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>>164491837
>Eotech holosight $400
https://www.amazon.com/EOTech-512-A65-Tactical-HOLOgraphic-Batteries/dp/B000KKFVRC

>Holosight+12x+laser $100
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016WJREEM?psc=1

Really bakes my noodle

>>164493852
niqqa no that holosight is probably chinese and breaks on the second day of use

>>164493080
Have you ever been in a modern, central subway station? They are like fucking shopping malls now.

>>164493162
the zero wanders off for no reason

>Hibana with the super nova

Man shes like a spicy fast breacher I love her

>new patch
You can now drop and pick up weapons freely.

Daily reminder that there is NO REASON for a game to have sound design as bad as Siege's, especially when Overwatch exists.

>>164494346
is this an actual thing? it's not right?

>>164494382

?

I like Sieges sound design...

>>164494346
DROP ME AK OR KICK FUZ

>>164494382
>Daily reminder that there is NO REASON for a game to have sound design as bad as Siege's
Sound design in this game is fucking amazing what are you talking about shitter. Get the fuck back to playing overwatch you shitter.

>>164494382
Weak b8 m8.

>>164494306
It's not no reason. It's literally physics 101. In extreme temperatures the sights zero shifts somewhat. This isn't an issue on any level because the actual ballistics of the gun also change drastically in extreme temperature changes, requiring a re-zero anyways.

The issue at hand is that when the temperature returns to normal, the sight then still had a drift and didn't return to the zero at that temperature.

The lawsuit was settled for less than 30 million, which is literally nothing for "lying" to every branch of government for over 10 years. It just means they lied in marketing (They said it didn't have this issue, and it does.)

Someone has conducted tests on an Aimpoint H1 and confirmed it experiences an identical thermal drift issue under the same circumstances.

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>>164460907
>Dont know anything about Waco
>Look it up
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
>The Branch Davidians are a religious group that originated in 1955 from a schism in the Davidian Seventh-day Adventists, a reform movement that began as an offshoot from the Seventh-day Adventist Church around 1930. Some of those who accepted the reform message had been removed from membership of the Seventh-day Adventist Church because of their supplemental teachings. The doctrinal beliefs differ on such teachings as the Holy Spirit and His nature, the feast days and requirements, and who had the prophetic office since Victor Houteff's death. From its inception in 1930, the reform movement believed themselves to be living in a time when Bible prophecies of a final divine judgment were coming to pass as a prelude to Christ's Second Coming.

>In 1993 the ATF, FBI, and Texas National Guard laid siege to their property for 51 days. The siege ended with a raid which resulted in the deaths of the Branch Davidians' leader, David Koresh, as well as 82 other Branch Davidian men, women, and children, and four ATF agents.[2][3]

Wait WHAT?!
>These guys had a weird goofy religion
>LETS GO MURDER THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN!
THE FUCK?!

>>164494837

Deus Vult

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>play against the same team every game on xbone
>they either all rushed out at the start and killed no one or rushed as recruits
>played really aggro too
>they all hid in the bathroom on consulate and blew the hostage up when we entered the room
>my team go 3-0 every game

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Based

>>164495186
>nigga-gold-breath

>>164494837
Oh woops. That was from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians
Which I didn't realize I had clicked.
Guess they were suspected of having illegal weapons, so the FBI killed them all.

>>164494837
>The tear gas was flammable, and the FBI used it thinking otherwise, because all their supplies were brought down from the ARMY base Fort Hood and there was no ARMY around to remind them of this. The ARMY was only called in the first 2 days of the siege to drop off trucks, tanks and ammo and the ARMY had to teach the FBI how to drive the vehicles & tanks they were dropping off since this was an FBI-only operation.

My goddamned sides.

>>164494301
Especially in modern Asian countries too.
Even 25 or so years ago Germany had some sweet looking underground shopping areas that were connected to subway stations.

>>164494382
>huuhh duuuh why this no like CS

>>164494346
>Pick up Bucks weapon
>????
>profit

>>164496004
>>164494587
>>164494519
>>164494454
>>164494454
>even people with $500 headphones can't tell where the fuck somebody right next to them is coming from 50% of time

Serious battered wife syndrome going on here.

>>164496271
But I can?

>>164496271
I'm sorry the case is terminal
You're retarded

>>164496271
except that you're fucking wrong

I can hear everyone, even caveira, with my 50 euro headphones

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The official Siege site says the Cold War camo bundle and Tachanka's Bushido set is out, but neither are actually in the shop though

>>164496271
what did he mean by this

>>164496364
>>164496398
>>164496402
>this denial from Siegefags

Literally not a single thing, including sound, works as intended in Siege.

>>164496529
>i was just trolling the entire time lmao

>>164496594
>Siegefag is illiterate on top of delusional

Holy fuck. How does it feel knowing the developers themselves don't even know how to fix their game and you're going to be stuck with this janky, cobbled together mess until Ubi pulls the plug?