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Our guy Edition

Shadowverse is a free-to-play, class-based collectible card game similar to Hearthstone /hsg/
The expansion, Rise of Bahamut released on Dec. 29th.
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Platforms: iOS, Android, Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/app/453480/)

Official Website:
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Card Database/Deck Editor:
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Intro Guide/FAQ:
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Take 2 Card Rankings:
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Get your cheat sheets here: http://imgur.com/a/oj8uw

Discord: https://discord.gg/vkQFb33
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A growing collection of animated golds/legendaries:
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Ping: >>164266835
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Xth for the true savior of Shadowcraft
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Fuck the butthole of me
nobody gonna use this thread right now
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This guy is gonna rape Arisa, what do you do? The more you put in his path will only make want to rape her harder.
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mfw elanas
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Threadly reminder that if you play Blood or Shadow you should replace your turn 4 evos with this Fortunehunter (obviously move things around so your curve doesn't get messed up).

She gets much better value for the EVO point.

She draws a card.

She's CUTE TO BOOT.
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>>164277880
>>164277925
>>164277920
Don't dare post here yet duds the das fuck
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I want to kiss Luna's tummy!

And also her cervix, with my dick!
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>>164277925
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2887399
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is this deck good enough for disco dragon?
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>>164277925
Doesn't she cost 5
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>>164277964
>Don't dare post here yet duds the das fuck

What did he mean by this?
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I just wanna say that i hate every single one of you dariashitters.
Now post dick because i'm going to build one too
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Give Seraphs lists
Need to play some cancer
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>>164278049
happy new year
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>>164278021

Yeah that's why I said move things around so your curve doesn't get messed up.

But for the EVO point she's a far better value than Playful Necro or Panty Robber.
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>>164277909
Nothing, let him do his job to remove the subhuman elf.
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Anybody else having success with neutralcraft? Steadily climbing up A rank with this deck at the moment. It's far more effective than I expected.
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>>164277925
I've really been considering her for a while but I don't want to have a shitload of 5 drops and Cerberus is still the definitive Shadow card. I started trying out Wight King though.

>>164278101
Playful Necro is shit as fuck though, I agree.
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Is the forestcraft pre-built deck the best one in terms of what is good for the class? I mean you get two great legendaries ancient elf and tia and other good gold cards like roach and cynthia. Plus best alternate art.

If I was going to get one, and let's pretend that forest isn't terrible right now, is the forest pre-built deck the best one in terms of what you get for the class?
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>>164277997
>http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2887399

>Feena with tits

But why?
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question: in what deck would i put gourmet emperor (carrot?) into?
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>get matched up against someone who has two legendaries in take two including Satan
>I got 0
FUCK OFF LUCK SHITTER JAPS
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>>164277909
kys rapefags
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>>164278140
Yes, Forest and Blood are the most valuable.
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>>164278164
Shadow is alright since you get endless 2 drops and shadows.
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>>164278139

So wight king is your EVO drop then or do you even have a dedicated EVO drop?
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Every time I play an activated Aurelia, my opponent's super fast plays stop and his next turn takes noticeably longer
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>>164278164
Neutralcraft decks, if you're willing to meme that hard. Aside from that, I think some shadows use it.
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>>164278140

Forest is solid

Sword and Shadow are also solid

Blood and Dragon are great value for specific archetypes

Pure value wise shadow has the best golds, then forest and sword are about equal.
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>>164278140
shadow gives you cerberus and the bug waifu
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>>164278110
>Neutralcraft
>Put blood cards inside.
REMOVE.
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>>164278242

She was always the best sword card and now that Otohime got nerfed by the meta people are finally realizing it.
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To that guy that was asking for a Carrot Shadow list this is what ive been using. Its a lot of fun and ive been having success with it so far. If you have a real hardon for carrots you can put a third in for one of the other early cards.

If you want to get really crazy you can go for some carrot/tyrant shenanigans
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>>164277925
I am already raging hard at blood i could just gives no more fuck and mess up with her
Like, it's not like i wanted to get A2 before 500 matches
If shit doesn't work i am gonna dust 3x Flute animated Golem 3x Erasmus 1x(?) Fafnir and either make Seraphs/Darias
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How do you shitters complain about daria. After playing against so many and trying it out myself it's way too inconsistent.
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>>164278242
Do you think she has an incestual crush on Albert?
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>>164278164
Everydeck, give it a week or 2 and you'll be seeing this shit in everything
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>>164278242
No better value target for bannered ruthless assassin.
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>>164278242
The black greaves look super out of place to me.
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Mordecai is shit they said

boy
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>>164278241
I don't have any EVO drops. I decided to run Wight King because Rune does not, from what I've observed, run hard removal and Wight King is a card they would have to devote an inordinate amount of resources to getting rid of. It's already observable in Tenacious Ghost when he's evolved, so I imagine a 4/5 Ward with Bane would give them even more pause. I've yet to really use it but I'll blog about it eventually. The other 4 drops I use are Necroassassin and Phantom Howl, and I have Cerberus for the 5 slot.

I dropped Urd because she's pretty shit without having something that can provide meaningful value on the board and honestly Necroassassin and Soul Conversion are enough for LW procs.
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>>164277909
Wait till the devs buff another forest card because muh pet class and see who's crying faggot.
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>>164277880
>it's a "I'm gonna ignore the reaper for now because it's just 2/2" episode
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>>164277925
Shadow doesn't need an evolve drop. Their decks are either so fast they're evolving to hit face, or they're so slow that anything that isn't good after turn 6 is a liability.
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>otohime nerf
>still required in every sword deck that isn't banner
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54215

Please concede!

Or duel until you have checkmate and then concede!
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Glass + Pendant is a field wiper + basically a ward as next turn enemy will either waste an spell killing it or an attack.
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noob question: is this deck good?
>https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/deck/earth-rite-runecraft
I have 2 pascale and 1 daria, what deck can i build?
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>>164278313
People knee jerk react to losing to it once on turn 5 or 6 and don't think about the 50% of the time the deck would lose to a basic deck because it bricks off THAT hard.

Or they're memeing faggots.
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>>164278301

I mean regardless of the fact that Feena is great for shadow decks, you will climb more consistently with Forest, Rune or Haven.

Blood and Shadow are still underpowered by comparison IMO.
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>>164278242
>>164278283
True, I cut 1 otohime from my deck but I would never play with less than 3 Aurelia. She carries HARD.
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So what exactly is people's opinion on control blood? I feel like it's very overwhelming and really only decent against daria especially considering how easy vengeance is to play around especially with some burst some classes can do while how mediocre classes are with vengeance.
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Rate please
It only has to work for grinding me out of A
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>>164278420
>double dragonclaw pendant

congrats you beat a man who memed himself into oblivion prior to taking his deck into ranked
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>>164278164
Neutral
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>>164278423

Yeah Wight King is such an amazing value card because of the resources it takes to remove. It's like Shadowcraft's version of Righteous Devil but way easier to activate.

Are you running Attendant?
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>>164278513
Control Blood is only good if the player knows their matchups and makes plays accordingly as opposed to just playing on curve. I have success with it and believe it's Tier 1/2, but others would disagree since they don't have success. Play what you want in the end.
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>>164278574
Is Olivia secretly an angel?
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2nd 4-1 of the year, Cunning wyvern is god, last boss was a haven that went pinion>aria>sister while my hand was made of bricks, won because of Dragon Warrior letting me catch up.
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Anyone have a general starting point for a Shadowcraft deck?
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>>164278513
Control Blood works well now since there isn't a lot of DS and PtP Elf. It's better than other control decks besides Seraph because of burst damage too.
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>>164278570
This is B0
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>>164278281
I've tried making pure neutralcraft decks before, but they often lack in areas such as board clears or killing power.
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>>164278627
>Dark Angel Olivia
>secretly an angel
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>>164278435

So what cards does control shadow want to evolve?

Is control shadow actually a thing?
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Someone post a Pendant deck please
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>>164278657
PtP Elf is a decent match-up for Control Blood now.
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>>164278595
Yes, him curving into Necroassassin is a no brainer, as well as being a good Conversion target too. He's similar to Shadow Reaper in that he can be unassuming but turn into a problem pretty fast. He's basically a better Hell's Unleasher as far as I'm concerned.
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>>164278683
Necroassassin/Urd Evolve is usually more than good enough for midgame tempo. Balor, Death's Breath Zombie, and Mord are all great targets as well.
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>>164278475

I want to make a proper midsword deck but I just feel like I'll be so gimped without three Aurelia.
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>>164278721
how many turns does ptp elf even need after all?
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what's the best deck for A rank
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what's your control sword look like /svg/
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>>164278679

Did you Call of Cocytus that Servant?
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>>164278627
>>164278679
She's a PURE Dark Angel
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>>164277925
The most beautiful
The strongest
And the cutest to boot!
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>banner
>carrot

Okay I dont think that carrot belongs in every fucking deck
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>>164278767
Turn 8 is around the average if they have a decent hand. 6 or 7 if they go crazy.
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>>164278745

I was just curious because the main thing I like about Urd was the double lich off attendant, but it's true she can be sort of a dead card annoyingly often.
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how's control blood without mary + dire bond?

i'm fucking dead before i can whip them out, and while dire bond is useful, mary is just there to die horribly. don't survive long enough vs haven/dragon or any decent decks to luck out on dire/mary combo

maybe just dire bond + all the hp drain cards + aoe?
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I think calling this deck Carrot in a Blender is most fitting.

It's like trying to cook something up to muck up your opponent's tempo with 3 lovely waifus.
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>>164278763
>>164278785
Sword lists become more and more expensive. The prebuilt deck is an amazing deal to catch-up on those legs.

Something like 4 losses in 20 games, in A0 with this deck. I'm trying out the famous Hamsa + Cyclone Blade.. so far, it's a meme.
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>>164278835

Very nice.

Added to the folder.
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>>164278854
but anon, think of the infinite value
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Play control = lol instant win conditions

play combo = lol FACE DA PLACE

what a fun game, not rng at all
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Am I the only one who plays against ptp rune every game?
Also post your shadow dicks
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>>164278819
Yes
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>>164278427
It's Mushy tier in how kill-on-sight it is.
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>>164278901

Can you post deck list please?
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>>164278854
Looks good to me.
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>>164278854
carrot is adorable
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>>164278960
I'm starting to think it's only a matter of time before someone builds a Tier 1 deck around Cocytus.

It's very conditional but the value is insane if they don't have hard removal.
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>>164278969

I tweaked it game-ai since I don't have any Balor, but Death's Breath is still relevant these days except against Blood.

You can swap Pact with Deathbrand.
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>>164278948
what is that animal anyway?

a guinea pig?
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Wait a minute, so carrot is only obtainable with gourmet? There's no standalone carrot?
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He is safe to liquefy right?
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>>164278863
I never really felt that Urd was a good card in Shadow honestly, she's much better in Storm Haven for burst combos. I decided to give her a spin with Aggro Shadow's new tools but I'm just not a fan.

>>164278948
H-here I go!

>>164278901
I actually might try out Khaiza over Goblin Mage or Attendant and see how it works out. I really like Goblin Mage though.
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>>164278903

>Deck requires 11 fucking legendaries
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>>164279080
just like coco and mimi (they would be crazy cards btw)
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Is Gelt, Vice Captain good?

There's so many Sword 2 drops to choose from
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Anyone have the full art of floral fencer?
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>>164278903
>Control Sword

I always hated when dirty lesbian maid players called a deck "control". More than half of your deck is proactive. You have 6 storm followers (not Rush, Storm). You have fucking Sage Commander. You're running Dance of Death over Execution or any other removal.

That isn't control, it's a slower Sword deck that is teched against other aggro.

Remove Swordcraft. Remove Erika.
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>>164279106
I'd like to try Alexander as he is used in the other control lists, but I don't have him. I'll probably craft him, I think he can make a difference vs Daria. In 1-of.

Bahamut fits the Alex role atm, and he won the game 3 times already. Maybe Bahamut takes the Alex slot.
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>well as long as the last card in his hand isn't daira I'm fine
>it's daria
>alright, stabalized post board
>daria again
>okay i might be able to win
>fates hand, fates hand
>draws 14 more cards than me in total
rip ;_;
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Floral is old and busted with gaping holes from fucking her dudes.
Feena is my new evolvefu now. I even got a cute mini goblin mage as a bonus.
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so sick of imprisoned dragon
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>>164279106
3 cerb 2 lof shadow needs 9 legendaries... at least
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Fucking when Cygames?
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>>164279095
Might be good someday but not for the next three months. There's zero chance he'll fit into anything in Rise and his Enhance spell hurts him far more than any of the other ones hurt their counterparts.
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For effects like Khawy's "strongest follower," how does the game decide tiebreakers between cards with the same attack?

I was facing a guy with an evolved Fangblade and Frontguard General, both 5 attack, and Khawy took out the Fangblade when the opponent killed it with a third card. Does it look at the defense on the event of a tie, or was this random?
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Anyone have a new aggro shadow list? Other than Reaper I don't think it got any new cards.
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>>164279106
Mine only uses 7. Though all the Golds make the deck almost as expensive as his
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>>164279271
What were you playing? I just beat a Daria player who drew pretty close to perfectly by them decking out. I was running Elana.
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>>164279106
gotta step up the p2w man
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How is PureElana now?
Acient Leo sounds neat but how does it fair Elana with Lucifer instead of Glory Be?
I don't have Seraphs, thats why i never made an Elana based deck before, have Lucifer though
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>>164279298
Can't handle the Nep.
>>164279326
Sure, you must be very proud of yourself and your genius ability in playing chinese children card game.
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Post rare art.
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>>164279326
>I was running Elana.
(You)
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>>164279373
Pure elana sucks just like before. The only new card it got in RoB was Pegasus and maybe that Frog.
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>>164279310
Khawy's text actually explains that it's random among ties.
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im sure Impe Dragon was made 9PP in purpose so you can not combo it with Wildfang in the same turn
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>>164279376
>Sure, you must be very proud of yourself and your genius ability in playing chinese children card game.

What do you mean? I'm just saying Daria is a shit deck that literally cannot win against board wipes. I would have lost without Themis, but I only needed 1 of them in the top 12 cards of my deck. From then on controlling them is easy, even if they keep refilling with Daria.
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>>164279239
Sword doesn't have good removal spells, so their "control" is very tempo-driven. Albert is retarded, but he is needed in today's meta. You can't safely Otohime on T6, it isn't threatening anymore.

Albert doubles as a board-controller and finisher. You can't play sword without 3x Albert imo.
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whats good amulet removal for shadow?
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The madman.
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>>164279378
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>>164279239
Well my deck runs at least 10 Ward followers (19 if you count Gelts, Amelias and Alwidas). I'm controlling people's control over my face
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>>164279435
Really? Just looked again, and I don't see any wording about ties unless "one of" would imply random.
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Heh
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>>164278645
Fill in the rest yourself.
Howls and shadow reaper for aggro
khawy and death breaths for midrange
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>>164279451
Albert is an amazing card. A must have in control, a strong pusher in midrange, and not the worst tech card in banner either.
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>>164279481
will you mord shitters ever fuck off?
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So are any of the prebuilds good as they are or should I just get them for the legendaries and netdeck into something else?
I bought blood and it looks good to me but dont have much blood experience
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>>164279101
Don't really understand wight king and sexton in your pretty much standard aggro deck
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>Sword plays Otohime
>I kill Otohime herself and put down Khawy
>He drops Lucifer and evolves him
>Proceeds to trade every single Otohime bodyguard into Kahwy until the last one kills him
>Kahwy eats Lucifer, I'm back to full and he doesn't have anything on the board
Is reading that hard?
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>>164279378
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>daria players everywhere

i wish my F2P luck would net me at least 2 daria.
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>>164279446
You can still altered fate it, but nobody runs that in disco dragon

Im confused on why they dont, thats a potential 7-30 damage in one turn. Seems like a better win condition than Imperial to me. Unless im retarded and missing something.
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>>164279378
Too bad this card sucks.
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>>164279580
Therre are probably people that are neither english nor japanese speakers trying to play the game.
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>>164279554
You should themis them
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>draft an incredibly good Haven deck
>face 4 Swords with 3 of them going 2nd
Fuck and I was going to have a good time too.

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deckbuilder/create/7?hash=2.7.640Hy.640Hy.68zBq.63_oi.63_po.6Be5A.60COa.642k2.67st2.63_os.642Ey.6BgXG.6BgXG.67stC.60E5y.63_pA.67pxs.6BjSI.6923s.61O4U.63_pK.67pyA.6BgWy.6592C.67uqM.645Pw.6Be50.6Be50.6Be50.65GMy
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>>164279580
He just didn't care.

Sometimes I do random shit like that too when I'm bored.
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>>164279373
Pure Elana's relationship with Seraph hasn't changed. It's more consistent and less powerful, nothing's changed about that. Frog's better than expected and Uriel has tested well for me, only gets Elana a third of the time but I've never felt bad about getting Plea or Aria because Pure Elana has a stronger early game.

I actually think Pure Elana might be better than Seraph Hybrid right now having messed around with both. It's got a significantly stronger aggro match up, still an auto loss to DShift and I haven't run into any PtPs yet but the trade off is worthwhile.

Ancient Lion has tested well against aggro, the difference between 5 and 6 is important. I've ditched Cudgel entirely for 3 Sledgehammer and 2 Lion. I was interested in Tribunal but it's tested very poorly for me.
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>>164279643
I've had several runs where it carried me in T2.
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>>164279515
pelvic_curtain is the best
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>>164279378
>ANGELIC Noble
>6 6 6
What did they mean by this?
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Why Japs aren't updating Garuda lists yet?
Is my bird dead?
Any RoB proofed FREEDOM list?
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>>164279524
>Last Words: Randomly destroy one of the strongest enemy followers in play and then restore X defense to your leader. X equals the destroyed follower’s attack.
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>>164279660
But I invented a new wincon. I call this: the Soul Collector lock.
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>>164279523
I don't mind ward followers even if they're technically proactive, that's fine.

But Sword as a class just doesn't lend itself to being a true control deck. They designed it to be the curve out aggro zoo class (something Hearthstone shitters understand), and some of the genuine control cards in the class like Alexander people don't even run anymore.
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Really not a fan of all the new playable random effects in this expansion. Less Hearthstone please.
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>>164279578
Sexton is just a dude. I might take him out for Dark Conjurer unless Haven picks back up again and even then I'm not sure it would even matter much since Storm Haven is a pretty even matchup and Elana will beat you because of the heals more than anything. The only time I really did anything impressive with him was this Phantom Howl wipe. Wight King is just there to give me a strong turn 4 option when I'm on the play, and to prey on Runes since from what I've seen they don't run hard removal. I only just added it though so I'm not certain yet.
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>>164279641
>Im confused on why they dont,
1 cause rite,
2 cause Pendant + Wildfang combo dont stack +1 for each discarded card, but Wildfang effect + 1 after that

so discarding 3 cards is only 4 damage (3+1) instead of 6 [3x(1+1)]
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>>164279291
>>164279313
>>164279358

Guys, my two main decks have like three legendaries.
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so any shadow deck without 3 cerbs is completely useless right
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>>164279668
I found this PureElana list
The only thing i miss are 2x Uriel and like Urd it doesn't sound wasted vials because Amulet fetching could be vital for the Seraph variant too
Might also remove one frog or Rabbit for my second Lucifer
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>>164279735
Yes, I don't see anything about ties there.

I'm asking if "strongest" means "highest attack" only, or if it includes defense/total stats when there are multiple same-attack targets.
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>>164279732
Most likely stays the same. Don't think storm got anything too amazing. Just tech in a few themis just in case of aggro rune.
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>>164279834

Just put Feena in her place until you got her.
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>>164279373

W-why is this version elana so lewd?
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>>164279559

Who is this cutie?
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>>164279852
Strongest always means highest attack. Defense never matters in regards to Khawy's resolution. It just chooses randomly among the "strongest" enemy followers.
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>>164279905
because elana is a cum guzzling whore
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>20+ damage in hand
I wish spectate mode would show his hand so i could see what he was trying to do with that roost
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>>164279964
Elana is PURE!
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>>164279954
All right, thanks. That's what I needed.
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Just started when the pack launched a few days ago
Playing shadow

How am I doing are people really this bad? I don't even have that many cards
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>>164279668

Can you post your list?
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Necro in T2 is so fucking good
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>>164279763
Wouldn't you consider the anti aggro package (Gelt, Amelia, Aurelia), taunts (White Paladin, Veteran Lancer, Frontguard General), clears (Cyclone Blade, Alexander), Removal (Tsubaki, Fangblade Slayer) and Olivia to be true control cards that a lot of Control Sword decks use?
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>>164279358
21 legos is not even p2w. You can get that many with just play since release. I have 36 legos but they are mostly dragon and scatter around.
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>>164279840
>The Rape of Raven
>Monk of hammer
>Temmis's referee
>A nun
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>>164279975
Maybe sliding out Roost is just slightly easier than reaching for the concede button
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>>164279995

I only started this month, got about 15, 16 days playing so far.

Shit gets real in the B ranks. There everyone is carrying tourney decks or cheap to make but still strong decks, like Bannersword.
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>>164279995
You probably do better than me
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>Daria now costs 7 mana
>no longer affected by spellboost

would she be shit?
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>>164280135
stop playing sword
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>>164280117
Funny because i got A1 for the first time after 260 wins and now i can't get back to it
This is the punishment for betray the Havens
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>>164280135
>D-shift now costs 10 mana
>more than one extra turn cannot be gained before the opponent gets a turn
>not affected by spellboost

I dunno, is it shit?
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>>164280117
How many wins are you supposed to have for each rank?
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>>164280183
With 400 wins i should have been around AA0
Instead i am A0, gonna take the shitter flair
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when the fuck will they release more cute girls as leaders

why do male leaders even exist
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>>164280006
Fangblade Slayer is face damage.
Tsubaki is an ambush follower that tends to just go face.

I really like Alexander as a concept but hardly any CSword lists run it anymore.

Rest are okay.

But the point is I just don't consider the way CSword usually plays out to be "Control" in the way it has been defined in Hearthstone/Shadowverse type games.

A lot of the time their draw allows them to out zoo an aggro or midrange deck so they just go face with everything and use the removal as tempo.
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is it autistic to read the flavor text of all the cards in your favorite class
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>>164280001
This is what I'm running right now. It has a pretty bad time against Dragon but it's been consistent in beating just about everything else I run into. I haven't tweaked it much yet though since I'm still sorting out my Shadow list.
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>>164279470
Execution is your only choice sadly
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>>164279732
Just put in Reno.
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>>164280301
haven is fucking me up
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>Tried playing Wolfbolt
>Fucking garbage
I want my vials back
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>secrets of erasmus

why is this allowed?
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holy shit, this is from a 2/5 take two arena
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>>164280325
Gotta use the new card that turns banishes into destroys
But yeah Haven is a bad matchup
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>>164280325
That's normal for Shadow.
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>>164280340
Same with the dominator one - makes you use a shitty legendary you wouldnt otherwise
What's the point of the originals anyway at this point?
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>>164279732
I've been having too much fun with Aggro Shadow to really give Storm Haven much play, but the former was always my preferred deck anyway.
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>Play Discard dragon
>Get deleted by any sort of aggression.
Did i build my deck wrong or is this just a natural weakness?
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>>164280290
if it is then maybe im autistic

my favorite

nep when
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>>164280117
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>>164280267
Women play a lot of mobile games in Japan
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>>164280428
dragon always needs a core deck design that's complete shit. First it was ramp dragon now it's discard.
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>>164280415
I want that butt on my face.
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>>164280428
You probably got memed on, like me
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>>164280461
>all that much Blood
The downfall started when i focused on Blood too
Now i am rebuilding my deck page :^)
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>>164280490
There isn't a butt theres' just a hole to shove your hand up and use her as a hand puppet.
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>>164280478
yeah i follow some Japanese idol and some of them play shadowverse
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Hamsa + Cyclone Blade won me a game single-handedly lmao
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Why is sword so shit now? Literally the worst in this meta.
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>>164280501
I mean, it might just be me, but even shit like Aggro shadow gets me down to 8 HP by turn 5, no matter how much i try to contest the board i just don't manage to get hold of it long enough to not die, and dragon has 0 healing and no early game wards.

Does my deck suck, does Disco dragon suck or did i just get fucking unlucky with the people i played against?
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>No new leaders since beta
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>>164280563
You're not gonna quack me, are ya?
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>>164280586
Are you running like a gimped version of sword decks? 'Cause all the sword decks need like 10-15 legendaries except banner.
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>>164280302
Not really sure about Reno
Mainyu shield is value
Same for Tribunal+Death Sentence
General is a straight better Gabriel
This TempoRune bullshit demands more than 1 Themis in deck
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>>164280586
>Sword literally the worst in this meta.
>What is Forest????
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>>164280586
That's what people said when DE came out too. Honestly I see a lot of potential in Albert and all the new rush cards. I've been mostly playing Sword since I started in July and I've learned not to count it out just because its cards are so plain good.
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>>164280478
Clarke is gonna be the next Rune Leader, there's no way that otome game looking nigga would get passed up.
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>>164280117
Rate my cancer level
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>1000 score pack

Eh, at least I got this babe.
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>>164280726
So why is her swimsuit see-through enough to see her cunny but not her nipples?
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>>164280726
I'm hoping Rune and Haven can get some cuter and younger leaders so I can play them.
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>>164280790
fuck i want
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>>164280726
Daria will be the next leader obviously. She's the waifu on the dshift card, and her card spawned a new deck. There's no way that the next rune leader isn't Daria.
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>>164280760
You are doing good
Shouldn't have deviated from the Path
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>>164280028
Those are just my sword and neutral legendaries.

I'm at like 75 ish total.
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>just want to play Royals
>started this month
>need like 30 fucking Legends to build a Royal deck
>open countless fucking free packs because they're just raining them from the heavens because holidays/new sets/etc
>get a single
>fucking
>Royal
>Legend
>1 Aura
>everything else is Blood, Elf, or Rune
>end up with 3 fucking Daria's out of my 15 Bahamut packs

You did this, game. You wanted me to be the asshole, so now I'm an asshole.

All I wanted to do was be a pure Royal and protect my maidfu's smile.
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>>164280790
>tfw got an animated assassin
>tfw vialed it
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>>164280607
I feel like we will get more when they go further into the story. Like forest will probably get Losaria (who for some reason I can't find any pics of)
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>a bunch of faggy sub boys like me place this game
>no trap flair/sleeves
whyyyyy
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>>164280821
I'm sorry its all i had when i first started, wish i could remove the blemish.
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>>164280790
I got White Wolf. Kinda lame honestly.

>>164280803
But Eris is the second cutest leader.

>>164280810
I mean she could be, I wouldn't really care either way. Rune isn't a very interesting class.
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>>164280117
desu it's not even a matter of being stuck, it's so much grinding. I haven't hit a wall, but the amount of score you need to climb feels ridiculous. They should've just made a true ladder like League or Overwatch (most relatable thing I could think of). It would allow faster climbing, but people would also be where they should be. Now I have to constantly stomp and have my mind go numb instead of going through prerequisites and then being able to play for real against others in the same skill level.
KILL ME
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>>164280879
Just get 12k this month and pretend Lily is a boy
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>>164280879

Because your fetish is shit and tittymonsters and moeblobs are what bring in the dough.
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>>164280808

Before release, I was skeptical about her, but turns out she is just as good as Urd.

>tearing down that sader wall
>wasting that soccermom
>double removal when tagged team with a nurse

>>164280854

Why though?
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>>164280847
??
Royal doesn't even need a legendary, albert at most maybe.
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>>164280886
>shortstack cerb
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>>164280291

Thanks, anon.
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>>164280501
>>164280428
Discard is not bad per say but has too many counter and its bread an butter is a 2/2 that anyone can kill or a late game 9PP.

hell, Dragon Pendant dont event buff Wildfang individual damage count but the damage overall so is (1X)+1 instead of [X(1+1)] X being the number of card discarded by a single effect
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>>164280325
It's normal but what is fucking you up?
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Guys I'm about to liquefy every single card for shadowcraft to play swordcraft. I don't know if I can do it, I really want to play swordcraft and never play shadow but I feel like I'm fucking myself in the future when shadow becomes good.
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>>164281082
fuck off meta shitter faggot
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>>164279616
Just Bakamut them.
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New player here, what does spellboosting followers do? I unpacked that card that spellboosts followers in your hand but Im not sure what he actually does
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>>164281082
i feel the same way about Forest, Forest is fucking garbage right now apart from Roaches
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When will this pain end? I just want to test this meme out.
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>>164281082
Shadow is probably better than Sword in this meta

Japs love Sword too much to admit its T2 now
Shadow players are too angry about Neptits to play right now
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>>164281082
>dusting all of the cards from a single class
literally the worst move you can do in any cardgame, enjoy getting fucked once that class becomes fun to play or you get bored of the other classes
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>>164280959
>Royal doesn't even need a legendary, albert at most maybe.
Yes, Banner doesn't.
Midrange needs a fuckton though.
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>>164280597
>Does my deck suck, does Disco dragon suck or did i just get fucking unlucky with the people i played against?

>and dragon has 0 healing and no early game wards.

The issue anon is that the whole Discard engine is too big and you need a lot of those cards to make the sinergies work, and that makes you have to run subpar cards that aren't the best in the early game or ramp you into strong late game, for example:

t1 pass
t2 discard girl or some of the discard dudes
t3 set up an amulet/gryphon
t4 search for amulet/phyroxene/sigfried
t5 IF you have board control ramp with the healing spell shit
t6 dragon rider that reduces cost by 2
t7 dragoon (reduced in 2 by the rider from t6)

Like you aren't doing shit on t1, t2 you play a regular stated minion, t3 you concede the tempo, t4 and t5 you try again to fight back for the board, t6 you try to not get killed and set up a board wipe with a t7 Dragoon
That gameplan is really dependant on a lot of ifs and whens, and the card quality is not really high either.
After testing the deck the last few days I believe the best would be to adopt a strong early game that either heals, wards or ramp like regular Ramp Dragon, and cut some of the weakest discard cards even if that reduces the overall sinergy.
Im really going hard on trying to make this work.
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Can anyone share a good blood deck?, I thought they were going to be shit in the new meta
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>>164280938
She's definitely better than Urd for Shadow specifically.

>>164281005
We need more of that shit man.

>>164281153
To hell with Nepthys
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>>164281126
It depends on the follower
For some it upgrades some kind of power, for others it reduces their cost
This moment's fad is to use this card with a ton of such followers from the new expac to place many followers at once, since they cost so little thanks to the spellboost
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>tfw elanaseraph is back
Goodbye, cblood, we had fun while it lasted.
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Havn't played Haven in ages and never Elana
How is the mulligan priority? Should i mulligan everything if i don't have atleast 1 Elana in the starting hand?
If i feel like later i will make an ElanaSeraph deck too, there 1 Storm and 2 PureElana variants
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>>164281156
I think this is the best move you can do.

After about a month I realized I would never enjoy the playstyles of Forest or Haven so I liquefied everything in them. Now my packs give more vials than usual and I have multiple expensive decks for the other 5 crafts.

I dont regret it a single bit. Forest/Haven are for shitters anyways.
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>everyone complains about daria
>meanwhile i run 3 salamander breaths and 2 conflags
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>>164281213

Does this work for all followers or are there specific ones with spellboost in the card text
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>30k vial mid sword deck sucks ass now
>6.7k aggro blood is getting me 10 win streaks

fuck this shit
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>>164281294
Specific
Check the card description
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>>164281294

Cards that can be spellboosted will say so in their text. No text saying they can boosted, they get nothing.
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If they added new leaders, they would take them probably from card art. What card do you want to see as a new leader?
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Please concede/Let me win if you need achievement

98498
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>>164281365
moon for haven
daria for rune
aurelia for sword
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>>164281365
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well that was easy.
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>>164279668
I don't think replacing cudgel with sledgehammer is a good idea. Cudgel is your strong turn 4 that can 3 for 1 in the best case scenario. Turn 5 will be lion and turn 6 themis, ensuring you can control the mid game.

Sledgehammer exorcist can't do that.

That I said, I think 2 cudgel 1 exorcist is the sweet spot.
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>>164281490
post dick pls
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>>164281082
Just do it. I did it to craft my Albert. No regret at all.
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>>164281490
decklist me sempai
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>>164281416
Thanks Lunabro
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>>164281082
I dusted my entire Rune and Dragon collection and continue to dust anything for them during this new set. It's not about what can be played, it's about what you want to play. I didn't want to play those 2 crafts, so fuck em.
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>>164279095
Pretty much. His enhance spell is much more versatile and he's pretty much a win more card, which makes him 9 enhance cost irrelevant anyway.
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>2017
>Still meming that disco dragon is t1

lmao
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Are they ever going to balance haven and sword?
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>>164281187
Yeah, the card quality is fine but the actual engine for the deck is really big and unwieldy, and lacks cards to make big swings.
It probably perform it's best acting as an engine for other decks than it's own pure archetype, atleast until they get some better cards to contest the board T4-5.

I feel like the deck CAN work, but it'll be a big effort to get it to that point.
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Do I put emmylous in DShift or should I put in Oglers instead? Also is Fire Chain really that bad that people cut it altogether?
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I rolled 8 Amelias so far, one was even animated, what the hell?
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Stop saying Royal then you ape, there is literally only 1 card in the game that starts with the word "Royal" - there's a deck built completely around this card in fact.

So when you say you want to play "Royal" no one is going to think you want to play mid-range.
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>tfw fall for the control blood meme
Control blood is so fucking shit. Literally lose to everything.
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>>164281560
>are they ever going to balance <this craft I hate> and <this craft I hate as well>?
no, anon, they wont
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>First match with Elana is agaist ControlBlood grinding me down harder
Oh come on
I never seen a Control Blood in 2 months and now i find one?
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aggro rune and bats have no counter other than bricking. prove me wrong.
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>>164281653
>Control blood
>Grinding out elana

Unless he has Odin, it's a free win for you.
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>>164281661
Shadow takes warm shits on Blood since forever and it dunks Daria too.
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>>164281507
>>164281518
3 DoD 2 Demonic storm 1 Imp
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>>164281252
I run 3 of both in my Ramp deck. I'm lucky that not all Darias run Flame Destroyers though.
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>>164281581
I'd go with emmy if you're seeing more aggro, oggy if you're seeing more midrange. To answer your second question: I think the reason it was put in in the first place was due to there being so many 1 health shitters floating about. but now that there are decks with bigger\healthier minions its much less attractive.
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>>164281679
I run PureElana
Never played Elana before
Never faced ControlBlood before
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is it actually coded in the game to discard luxfang
I've lost a fifty fifty seven fucking times now
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>floral wilts in your hand because you lost the coin flip
this game is dumb sometimes
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>>164281661

Aggro bats is incredibly manageable by any slower deck what are you smoking, just throw down wards before they get your health low enough for direct damage memes

aggro rune is also manageable by slower decks but I haven't played the matchup enough to confirm this
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>>164281551
It's T3, maybe T2 once people settle on builds for it.
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>>164281497
I was running Cudgel's initially but Sledgehammer tested way better. She hits Albert, Daria and the shit Ramp Dragon puts out then swings at a wide array of 2/2s. Being a point lower on the curve means I can play her naked on 3 when I miss Elana.

I ran Cudgel during DE but I haven't found him to have much value in Rise so far. Cudgel's better in a perfect game but Sledgehammer does much more work when things are going poorly. Having X into Y into Z just isn't something that can be counted on.
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>>164281650
>are they every going to balance best craft in the game and also best craft in the game?

yeah it's insane, I don't think they really know what they're doing. why would you give sword something like albert? and elena haven just destroys an entire archetype to the point where it's insta-lose, that's just bad design

hope they hotfix this mess!
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>>164281724
By the end of DE Sword and Forest had like an overall +10% win advantage going first.
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Are there any good jap Daria lists?
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>>164280586
Bruh, just topdeck your Biribiri oji-sans, that's all you need to win.
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>>164281661
Heal haven feeds on those and offers their souls to god.
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post aggro bats dicklists
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>>164281687
Why only 1 imp?
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>>164281812
what
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>>164281812
*second

>>164281769
The problem with sledgehammer is that she can only 2 for 1 at best and gets demolished by proper 4drops.

As mentioned, I think having a mixture of both is the best instead of just taking out cudgel.
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10969

am i doing this correctly
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What would meme Eidolon/Skullfane deck look like?
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84682
Need a win for mission, bros
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>>164281153
Yes, I too remember the days when people called Mid-Sword tier 2 before it got back to tier 1, sword literally can't be lower than tier 1 no matter what happens.
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>buying Mord leader
y/n?
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>>164281839
Not him, but I'm using a build similar to that and it's just hyper aggro. Even evolved Imp can be on the slow side when you're trying to smash stuff like Daria's face in before turn 5.
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>>164281894
turn 5 concede to netdeckers (9 in 10 players) like everything else
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>>164281927
>super cute goth loli necromancer
>faggy skeleton man
gee anon i dunno
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I tried playing ramp dragon against blood and I only had a ramp t2 and dragon knight t3. by the time it was t4 I was 9hp and he had 3 wolves, a wraith, and a gobbu on his board.

Did I do something wrong?
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>>164281927
Of course, he's the best Skeleton Leader available at the moment.
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>>164281948
but he's a skeleton dude
a fucking skeleton
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>>164281916
Its entirely capable of coming back to T1

But the pre RoB list is T2 at best, Albert+Amelia arnt enough changes to bring it back up.
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>>164281894
They don't go in the same deck.

Eidolon goes in a deck with Hare of Illusions, win condition would probably be Seraph.

Skullfane goes in a deck that doesn't exist yet, not until they print a very powerful high CD amulet in Haven. I mean something with 5+ that has a massive impact, maybe on the level of Neptits
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>>164281779
>why would give sword tools so it doesn't go kaput in this new meta we're making
Gee, anon, you tell me. Just because you don't like things doesn't mean they shouldn't get new toys to play with.
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>>164281989
What's your point. Luna has a skeleton too FYI. It's just smaller and wasn't cucked ever.
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>>164281927
Yes for endless duels.
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Just started playing and trying to add a card to a deck and it has the word Maintenance written over it, what does that mean?
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>Drop Blood for Elana
>getting raped by Blood 2 times in row
pottery
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>>164281959
In a perfect world you'd probably hold off on the T2 ramp and put down a Unica or something instead. If it's all you had in your hand there's not much you can do though, it's just a bad matchup if you never get to set up.
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>>164281959
No, he just had a nuts hand.

Also you can't afford to ramp early against aggro blood. Mulligan for removal, Unicas, Imprisoned Dragon, etc.
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what's better, face swordcraft or royal banner swordcraft?
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>>164280847
Opened 100 rob packs and 5 legos. Have been playing since launched on mobile. Still dont have merlin and forte. Only 1 saber otohime and vampire queen. 3 ancient elf, 1 from reroll rest crafted. Crafted 2 tia then opened another 3 and now mid forest is rip.

I have 50k vials from alll the bronzes and silvers. Comfortably staying at AA0 playground with B rank decks. Waiting for the dust to settle before I craft any legos. Have to be frugal because I have luck*0.5 penalty.

Hpe thhat made you feel better.
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>tfw unpacked Animated Albert
>tfw vialled the fuck out of it
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>>164281894
Please play Eidolon anon. I get off on using Sadistic Night on that card
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>>164281632
Royal is literally the Nip name for sword though, not his fault you're not weeb enough to know that.
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>>164282014
You can't use it until they fix it yet.
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>>164281632
Royal is the direct translation of Sword in Japanese
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>>164282081
Ah, thank you
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>>164281641
Control blood is my worst enemy right now as JO dragon
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>shadow finally gets their cardback
>it's a fucking guy
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>>164281839
I never liked her. When I got master I run 1 imp and 1 Dark general. She is not that important imo.
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>>164282062
But why?
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>>164282152
>Using pictured card backs
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>>164282161
bungacraft shitter thinks he's more intellectual than ungacraft
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>>164282074
Funny how Dragon is the only class with the same name in both versions.

>Forest - Elf
>Sword - Royal
>Rune - Witch
>Blood - Vampire
>Shadow - Necromancer
>Haven - Bishop
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>>164282074
Not that anon, but to be fair Swordcraft's japanese name is not as obvious as the other classes like Necromancer and Witch.
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>>164281679
I'm seeing a lot of control blood running Odin.
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>>164282161
I already have 3
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>>164281641
Its not for everyone. Control Blood takes a lot of work to learn. Only those that truly enjoy Blood and hate aggro decks stick through the hell until it all clicks.
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So how's Balor doing for you guys, Shadow players? He's the only Gold in Shadow I am lacking from RoB so I cannot test him out.
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>>164282161

Around elves...
>>
>try to play bats
>never draw a single fucking burn cards out of my fucking billions of them when I need them
>never draw this fucking new nigger Yurias against sword and elf
>play against enemy blood
>dead by turn 6 because they always draw all of that

Fuck this game.
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>YFW Cyg is on purpose blocking the unlimited potential of discard Dragon
Wildfag specifically says
>Whenever a card is discarded from your hand, deal 1 damage to the enemy leader.
so every single card should be 1 instance of trigger and so get buffed by Pendant, meaning each discarded card will do 2 damage

but instead when you do a mass Discard (Peroxide, Fates, Dragoon) the game stack all the damage as if the ability were
> Whenever you discard 1 or more cards from your hard deal X damage to the enemy leader. X equals the number of cards discarded
so when you do a multiple discard, the game does all the damage in 1 go and then adds on the Pendant + 1

so if you have wildfang in Play and a Pendants. use Fate and Discard 3 cards

>How it should be
3[1+1] = 6 Damage

>How the games does it
1+(3x1) = 4 Damage

Make it 7 cards the damage is reduced from 14 to 8.

and this also nerf the massive potential damage from Wildfang + Imperial Dragoon
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>>164281989
He's a cuck (literally).
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>>164282057
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how come righteous devil is only 2 atk?

shouldn't it at least get 3 atk because the whole bane thing auto kills anything? that's why it's a good 4p drop and not just a situationally good 4p drop
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Emh
How i play Elana actually?
Now i am getting raped by Shadow
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>>164282223
For some reason, Swordcraft is the only class that is not a noun for it's japanese name, but instead is an adjective. Kind of weird.
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When's the porn?
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>>164282317
Yep, raped fucking hard
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>>164281948
dunno man
vamp male leader >> vania
garuda is better than that girl w/e her name is too

and that loli with skeletons of her parents is upsetting
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>>164282057
Face Sword. Albert into Alwida is ridiculous amounts of bullshit in any deck. There's a list on Shadowverse News that runs a pseudo-banner set up where instead of banners, it just has Albert and a bunch of officers so he can always be searched by maid leader.
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>>164282317
>>164282369
>Elena losing to Control/Midrange Shadow
The endtimes are nigh.
Netdeck better, skrub
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>>164282285
Could you shut the fuck up?

Do you not understand how completely broken Wildfang+Altered Fate would be if thats how it worked? 14 damage from an empty board on 6 is retarded, and if you happen to have 2 Wildfangs you just win the game.
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>>164282290
nice meme
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>>164282330
Royal can also be a noun. Royalty can be refered to as "a royal".
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>turn 4 levi
>turn 5 levi + ogler and sugoi mahou
>turn 6 levi and blade mage
I don't even hate aggro rune so much, but levi is just the dumbest shit in the world. At least make it a legendary to justify his crap.
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>>164282223
>put craft in everything because warcraft
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>>164278242

how did i not see this before? she even has 'saber' in her name
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>>164282354
Hopefully soon.
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>>164282354
the question you want to ask is where, not when
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>Vampy wants to fuck Veight
>Veight wants to fuck Vampys mom

True suffering
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>>164282447
>censoring boys nipples
why
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>>164279373
Still pure cancer
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>>164282267
He's been shit for me, I think I might be doing something wrong since there're Masters running him but I've regretted seeing him in every game I've drawn him. I've never had him clear on 6 and 7 he's too slow for aggro and doesn't do anything against control.
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>>164282387
albert is mid range sword i believe
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also, despite getting yurius against sword/forest, all the new dragon shit fucking shit stomps blood really really hard.

use bond/any (scratch myself to hurt u!) cards and you're just getting yourself into 10hp/15hp (if they fucking have bahamut) range

aggro bats doesn't even hit face hard enough to kill dragon before they 10hp burst you, and unless your card draw is lottery level they can fug your face
learn to balance cygames! naughty!
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>>164282464
Vampy's mom has got it going on
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>>164282387
Face sword can't be better than banner though since you're losing a ton of storm potential.
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>>164279983
Pure whore
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Are there any agro decks that use vampire queen?
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HOLY SHIT HIROYUKI LET ME LOAD FUCKING IMAGES I JUST OPENED THIS

>>164282369
your choices are retarded my man, I can see it in your board and hand
stop being greedy with the buff
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>>164282464
Who's Vampy's mom?
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>>164282148
JO dragon?

>>164282264
it's literally pile of shitstain. If you didn't get revelation in time, daria just fuck your shitty ass. Even bahamut shits on this stupid deck.
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>>164282421
>Do you not understand how completely broken Wildfang+Altered Fate would be if thats how it worked?
but that is how it should work, and dont act like the game dont have retarded shit.

so either do it right or change wildfang text to play the ability correctly.

also, even on perfect curve you wont have a perfect kill in turn 6 as even with 2 wild fangs you will need 8 cards on hand (2 wild fangs + 1 fates) and that is practically impossible with dragon lack of discard cards.
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>>164278570
>>164278663

Another 'expert' BTFO'd

Why are some people are so certain of their groundless guesses?
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>Dariashitter runs through all his resources to try and control the board
>Tries to use Daria to refill hand
>*Waiting for a Response*
everytime lol
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>>164280325
Just outplay it :^)
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>>164282547
Jackoff Crystal.
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>>164282425
I wasn't memeing - he's actually a cuck.
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10/20, hope there's new Anons here now
Orange
59085
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am i the only one who thinks it's one of the most if not the most handsome male card in shadowverse

too bad it's a bad card
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>>164282536
Probably
Now getting fucked by Daria
Frog doesn't trigger Elana when used on ally, now i know it
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>>164282552
why would you post it if it happens every time?
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>>164282425
http://wiki.rageofbahamut.com/Skeletal_Duelist
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>>164282547
I dont know what to tell you. I have success with Control Blood, pre RoB included. Even the nips think its high T2 right now.
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>>164282427
Well, it's an informal term. It's normally used as an adjective
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Never stop the fight against cancer.
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>>164282579
Except he's not?
He would be if he married the slut before going to war, but he couldn't even propose to her
He has been a dumb beta WK, but hardly a cuck
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>>164282430
I think alternatively giving him a stunted evolution would work well, too. like evo into a 2/2 (no stats gained) or a 3/3 (only +1/+1). As it stands hes basically a 4 drop (dragon warrior) for 3pp.
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>>164282614
>male
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>>164282649
Because I realized it keeps happening. It's humorous now.
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Would you use a 4 mana amulet that gives all bats storm?
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>>164282692
>>164282579
Does Mordecai have some lore I'm unaware of? I thought he was just a spooky duelist.
>>
How does Ghosthound Sexton work exactly?
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>>164282676
Is this the jap list that was posted earlier? Hows it working out for you?

I was thinking about crafting it but wasnt sure about dropping 15K vials on it.
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Marry, Fuck, Kill.
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>>164282661
I literally lose a fucking 700 points in master here running control blood. I guess this deck isn't made for me, back to the new roach deck I guess.
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>>164282354
Best I can give you is futa vampy
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>>164282739

Fuck all

Marry all

Kill Haven
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>>164282665
except it's formal
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/royal#Noun

>>164282697
i like him more than the first two (counting from the left)
and the following too should compete with girls because they have beauty, not handsomeness
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>>164282730
Like Royal Banner.

Everything on the field when he's dropped gets the effect. Everything that gets dropped on the field when he's there gets the effect.

If Sexton is removed, it does not remove the effect from anything that got it.
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>>164282464
>Vampy wants to fuck Veight

No. She MIGHT want to fuck Gran/DJ or that shota hero from RoB if you too much read into that cross fate.

Veight does want to fuck the Queen though.
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>>164282725
>http://wiki.rageofbahamut.com/Skeletal_Duelist
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>>164282676
>/6
>/10
>forte

>>164282737
go for it dragon is unplayable without 3 fortes
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>>164282606
B-bump
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>>164282464
Vampy is pure.
GBF Vampy is kinda a slut for Gran though.
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>>164282636
The guide for Elana basically composes of "Hard mulligan for your amulets and don't play Elana on 3 if they're going face and you have a way to defend yourself".
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>>164282858
every granblue character is a slut.

especially forte
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>>164282676
Fight on, brother.

>>164281927
No, because I will feel like less of a special snowflake for having him.
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>>164282791
Shit, dictionary.com has lied to me. How could they!?
>>
Yet again the lord of the flies 1 in 3 won them the game, I sure feel like I got outplayed.
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>>164282807
>As the flames of war raged closer to their homeland, one of the men took the woman's hand and ran for the safety of another kingdom. The other stood as the vanguard, falling under a merciless shower of blades.

So why didn't Mordecai kill his love rival and run away with his love interest? Why stay behind like the cuck he was?
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>>164282858

Vampy is in GBF too?
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>>164282795
In those games, everybody wants to fuck the protagonist in some fashion due to self-insert hero and that jazz.

I like thinking of Gran/Djeeta as a genderbending superslut.

I wonder if they'll ever gets actual cards.
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>>164282903
>He can't play around LotF
GIT ___.
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>>164281153
>Shadow is probably better than Sword in this meta
nice joke, next time just keep your shitter opinions to yourself.
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>>164282508
You'd get pretty much the same result just running aggro forest with Feena and Gobu to bring out the roaches.
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Need to learn how to play this deck but grinding down Dariafaggots makes me happy
He had 2 cards left in the deck
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>>164282932
The MC of Granblue is crazy.
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just crafted 2 dracomancer's rites for discard dragon
why is this shit so fun
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>>164282464
Albert is Vampy's boyfriend okay?
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>>164282848
11/20, thanks Arillio
Orange
59085
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>>164282932
How about leaders? Fighter Gran as swordcraft leader, Sage Djeeta as haven leader.
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Reminder that Haven is still an insanely overpowered class and is explicitly allowed to be by Cygames
>doesn't care about early game because it can remove absolutely everything
>heals off early aggression and heals are attached to card draw so there's literally no reason not to spam them
>amulets that are completely uninteractable because all of two cards in the game can actually deal with them, one being a Rune card and the other being 9 PP
>a turbocharged banner for a pittance of 3PP that allows them to attach said heals and card draw to insanely powerful followers all in one
>the unarguable best 4 drop in the game that destroys every single board with nothing you can do about it
>a complete board clear on 6
>an instant win condition on 8
>gigantic bodies that can still heal off any aggression put toward them in the early game, combined with the stats afforded by Elana
>better face damage than the aggro crafts for some fucking reason
Fuck Forest, Sword and Rune, Haven is the real pet class of Cygames and they've literally given them a free pass to kill the game

Defend pic related. You literally can't
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I played a disco dragon that had 2 Bahamuts... is it normal? It can't be right? it would kill the amulet.
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Holy crap, Dirt Rune PtP is no joke right now guys.
>>
>2017
>deck is not fully animated
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>>164282893
if you don't believe wiktionary, they mostly use merriam-webster and it defines royal as a noun too https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/royal

>>164282994
urias is
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>>164283047
I actually dropped curate from my decks. Frog does what she does three turns earlier and Lucifer comes out only a turn later with a stronger body.
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Should I still be ramping up in Disco?
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>>164283062
If they drop a Bakamut on you they don't really care anymore.
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>>164283047
>the unarguable best 4 drop in the game

I SEE your weakness!
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>>164282893
I looked it up on dictionary.com because you made me curious and they totally have royal down as a noun.
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>>164283108
Not need, but you need Olivia so you dont run out of steam on turn 8 if you manage to get through dragon emmisary.
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>>164282983
That they are.

>>164283029
How about Wrestlers instead?
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>>164283047
Well said
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>>164283047
>the unarguable best 4 drop in the game

But Levi is the best 4 drop in the game.
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>>164283047
can anything in the whole word withstand the power of heavens
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>>164282932
>I like thinking of Gran/Djeeta as a genderbending superslut.
Literally the dream. Sailing the skies in your airship, backed by a loyal crew consisting of the greatest heroes of your time, and the ability to switch between a charming young guy or a cute slut depending on who you want to fuck or be fucked by any given day.

In my next life, I want to be a mobile game protagonist.
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>always liked playing the underdog
>start playing ramp dragon
>patch comes
>suddenly everyone plays and talks about dragon

What do i move to now? Shadow?
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Do I go for Urd or STORIES?
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So ramp dragon needs 3 fortes 3 bahamuts and 3 fafnirs?
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>>164283047
Why use elana, when there is a better banner?
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>>164282956
Pure Elana?
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>>164283047
Seriously though, fuck Havencraft and fuck Beastcall Aria in particular
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>>164283202
>"Levi is the best 4 drop in the game"
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>>164283230
and 3 satans, dont forget those.
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>>164283225

Necro

Evem of you kill the 1/1, you can still evolve kill the AE, so you're in the clear
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>>164283101
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/royal?s=t
It depends, sometimes informal terms commonly used colloquially end up being the official terms.
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>>164283225

Post dicklist.
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>went for the urd
>got an even better story later
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>>164283214
>In my next life, I want to be a mobile game protagonist
how long do mobile games live after all
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>>164281434
>aurelia for sword
>not glorious Alberto

into the trash with you waifufag
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>>164283047
>banish
>spell immunity
>rush
>storm
>damage reduction
>ward
>amulet
>healing
>board clear
>card draw
>etc
Name one thing Haven doesn't have. You can't
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>>164282920
Still not a cuck? He's a naive dumbass fedoralord for trusting his opponent would accept to be honorable and duel him for the girl, he would have been a cuck if he said "Haha, nice trick my man, please make her happy while I pass in the afterlife, she deserves it :) "
Instead he rose from the grave to unleash an eternal vengeance, that's hardly like a cuck desu, that's literally the revenge the the beta
You guys really stop to shove "cuck" everywhere
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>>164283265
Yes
No Seraphs
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>>164283230
Fafnir is overshadowed by bahamut now.

I'd drop two fafnirs and run 2x genesis instead.
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>>164283221
Shadow got a lot of good treatment with last word synergies too. They're going full 6000 power liches mode.

Aggro Blood is shitting on people with Yurius and Veight.

Rune is the newest hot cancer.

Haven is still Haven.

Sword is still Sword.

The current underdog is surprisingly Tempo Elf. Wolf memes are new, but oddly nearly nobody here is playing it.

Why is that.
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Haven't played for a month or so, how's Aggro bloodcraft now?
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>>164283137
Well, he dropped 2 Bahamut on me, and he lost anyway, so he should care.
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>>164283315
You retard urn is better. It activate lich and bring it back for another lich for necro next turn.
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>>164283279
But they effectively skip the first three turns in the game :^)
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>>164283348
weaknesses
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>>164283350
We don't really know what happened. If he was in love with her but let him take her since he wanted to protect her and his country, then he would be cuck.

If he got rused by both of them then he's just a dumbass.

Either way, Mordecai had a hard life.
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>>164283047
meanwhile Dragon craft is the ugly duck of the family
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>>164283284

Cygames just forgot to to give him the proper amount of mana.
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>>164283009
Gonna bump once more before taking a break for couple hours, maybe more Anons here then.
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>>164283383
>he thinks that the urd play involves the attendant of night

you urd the ancient elf to make it a 2/3 and kill it for free you dip
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>>164283062
Probably to counter Daria. Bahamut is invaluable when half the ladder is a deck that can in a single turn put you into a situation where you lose if you don't board clear.
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>>164283375
Wolf is a turn 9, sometimes even a turn 10, win.

That's pointless in a fast meta where games tend to end by turn 8.
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>>164283330
Cygames ones live forever.
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>>164283230
Honestly the balance of Forte, Fafnir, Genesis and Bahamut is up to preference at the end of the day. Fafnir is weaker since Bahamut came out, a lot of good masters players only run 2 Fortes, I'd say you'd want a least 2 Gensis dragons in your deck too. 3 Fortes, 1/2 Fafnirs, 2/3 Genesis and 2 Bahamuts are what I'd go with.
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>>164283486
With no way to deal with a good Daria turn, too, and that's basically the "you must be this tall to play Shadowverse" thing right now
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>>164283279
try playing one drops to pressure your opponent
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>>164283467
For some reason i thought it was saber. The real question is why the fuck he not kill the fairy on turn 3.
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>>164283334
He's too new to be a leader. Everbody trusts and loves Aurelia, do you not feel safe behind a x/6 ward target immunity?
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>>164283529
I don't even run one drops
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>>164283548
Because Shadow is so good at killing AEs that you bait them into using them to rape their tempo
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Mirror Elana is a brick
Especially when the other side destroy my Elanas, themis board multiple times and has Olivia too
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>>164283480
I guess.

I have Bahamut x1 in my control sword and he is the MVP when everything is lost.
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>>164283585
perhaps you should not complain about losing to three cards that don't put anything on the field before turn 5
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>>164283590

Should I add Uriel to my Elana Seraph deck?
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>>164282956
>Need to learn how to play this deck
we got a comedian over here
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>>164283279
>drop rabbits
>suddenly the first 3 turns literally don't matter and they have gigantic bodies on the board
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Cyclone Blade is a nice card
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>>164283627
I have to
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>>164283590
Triple Elana, what a nightmare lmao
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>>164283620
As soon as Elana comes down the first few turns literally mean nothing because they both heal off all damage for cheap and also pull gigantic bodies out of their ass.

I can't believe that Elana didn't get nerfed, it's not the only thing wrong with Havencraft but it's the most egregious. I call fucking bullshit on their story if they're not releasing numbers. And god forbid you go first against Haven, that means 3 baldies or sledghammers and you literally can't do anything about it.
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>>164283672
The battle lasted 18 turns
We both had like 3 cards left in our deck, but he used Execution and Olivia to make the game a sure win for him
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>>164283426
He didn't know. Hell, nobody knew. It is said they were both sent to war and his opponent chose to run away from the frontline, grab the girl and find shelter in a neighboring kingdom. Not only is he a scum, he is also a deserter and a traitor. Even if Mordecai was a cuck and didn't kill him himself, the rest of the army would have, since death penalty is the only fate for deserters and traitors.
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How's Shadow handle against Daria? Aggro Shadow's just a bit slower than the other aggro decks and Foul Tempest doesn't clear fat spellboost followers in slower builds, so how do you handle the match up?
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>>164283062
If they're in the late game, they don't need the amulet anymore.

They want to end the game then and don't need to bother sustaining their hand.
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How do we make this guy viable? Should be cygames top priority.
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I really don't get the lack of good amulet removal options
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So do you play Flame Destroyers in Dorothy decks or not?
Seems like nobody knows.
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>Full Seraph, now with tribunal of balanced 4pp double removal.
J-just play around it bro!
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>>164283750
use it with cards that have last words?
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>>164283662
>losing to blood

Ayy
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>people going crazy about albert, daria, and dragoon
>dont obsess about the real stars of the set in yurius, dwarf alchemist, goblin waifu, luxwing reno, and clarke

these cards are fucking insane
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>>164283526
Yep. If Forest still had the old homecoming it might be okay, but right now WotF just doesn't cut it.
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>Opponent mulligans his whole hand
>Still plays 1-2-3 drops
F U C K
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>>164283662
you should actually kill yourself senpai
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>>164283781
What do you take out for Flamies?
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>>164283653
Indeed it is.

see
>>164278475
>>164280563
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Quick, give me must-haves for Disco Dragon.
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>>164283781
I didn't like them, seeing it a lot less too.

>>164283831
I'm playing the Demon Strike/DoD version.
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>>164283790
Full seraph sucks.
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>Had to drop flame destroyer early to get early aggro off me
>Next two flame destroyers are literally in the bottom 5 of my deck, and I actually died to reaper before I could do the combo
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>>164283047
I fucking loathe Haven.

Please tell me Shadowcraft can now deal with them better?
>All that Shadow and LW denial
So much hate.
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>>164283807
RoB as a whole has been an extreme expansion.

Every single class got insane new cards.

Shadow Last Word is now a full archetype and it doesn't even have Nep yet.

Daria made Tempo Rune real.

Discard Dragon is no longer a pure joke.

Literally all Haven decks got buffed.

Nearly all of Sword's new cards are constructed tier, the only exception being Samurai I think.

Yurius and Veight are carrying Blood on their backs alone.

Thinking about it, the class that feels like it received the least is Forest. Lily and Entangling Vines are really good though.
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>>164283449
Dragon Warrior:
>4PP
>4/5 body evolved
>considered one of the strongest 4 drop evolves

Levi:
>3PP (body + nuke)
>4/4 body evolved
>nuke can go face
>nuke can be saved up for when you need it more
>nuke is basically free spellboost

I always knew Levi was really good, but I never sat down to think of how fucking busted he really is. And even more so now with Piercing Rune, giving you another 2 damage nuke and 2 damage to face and cheap spellboost if you combo it with Levi on turn 4.
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So what's the thinking man's deck in this meta full of unga tempo/burn decks
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>Cards that make your opponent instantly concede
I'll start
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>>164283978
Still DShift
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>>164283952
You don't
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>>164283883
You should see Kripp's new SV video. The removal makes it impossible to win.
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>>164283991
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>>164283991
>Incoming Hallowed Dogma
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>>164283978
Control Blood
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>>164283972

This is the kind of card Rune needs to play catchup with other factions, speaks volume on how shitty that craft's core is.
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>>164283960
Samurai's pretty nice, honestly. Definitely a tech choice, but he's not bad. Swordwhip is worse.
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>>164283391
So do I when my perfectly curved deck bricks due to RNG.
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>>164283960
Selwyn's command and the wolf aren't terrible
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I feel I did something wrong
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Is aggro blood really better than control blood this meta or the jap tier list are full of bullshit?
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>>164283960
that reminds me that i haven't seen one forest player since the set dropped. i must have played 50 games since then and i cannot remember ever playing against a forest player. is that class dead?
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>Sword always has Floral Fencer on turn 4
>Dragon almost never has Dragon Warrior on turn 4
Not a Sword or Dragonfag, but its something I noticed
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>>164284075
only good forest deck is Roaches now pretty much
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>>164283867
Please respond
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>>164284080

Maybe because no one actually plays dragon warrior because midrange dragon is not a thing
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>>164284001
>See Kripp
You mean the guy in B-rank?
You mean the guy that lost to actual good Master plays like Railgun17?
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>>164284075
Yeah forest is the weakest class right now by far
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>>164284087
I've been using Tempo with a few tech'd cards, works fine
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>>164283997
>Runefags actually believe stalling equates to skill

Detestable
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>>164283991
Serious answer.

Olivia really breaks people's heart and soul when I drop her
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>>164283883
Full seraph shits on just about everything that is actually played senpai.
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>>164284080
Because he probably played siegfried instead.
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>>164284125

>he lost one game to Railgun with unoptimized decks so he's shit forever

jesus christ how do you even breathe
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>>164284080
It's probably because it's okay and sometimes vital to play Floral Fencer without trading, while using Dragon Warrior requires a good board to get value off the evolve.

Siegfried is the Floral Fencer of Dragon, if you don't play around it, you'll get punished every single time.
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>>164277807
remove this overstatted thing from the thread i can't play sword and elf with their balanced minions with that OVERPOWER THING in the game
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>>164282267
>>164282496
Slam Balor with tempo and he'll deny any attempts to come back onto the board before removing him. He pairs well with Urd since he'll often survive a turn, trading, then getting Urded back to full health while nuking the board at the same time.

You can play him into a board if you think you'll survive the opponent going face, but it's generally not the safest way to get value from him.
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>>164284080
Goblinmount Demon is usually my card for that turn.
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>>164284168
he has a point though anon, Kripp is super casual in SV, he's entertaining but not meta defining like in HS
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>>164284205
>meta defining like in HS

:^)
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This Rune actually grinded me down a lot but the deck is fun and really hurts the Daria fags
Might try PureSeraph and ElanaSeraph too
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>>164284087
I tried that pure roach win condition deck. It relies heavily on a dream curve.
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Why is Crystallia Lily so cute
>>
90994
11/20
Skullomania

come and watch me try to lose fo
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Help me with these dailies if you like me

87172
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>>164283867
3 imperal dragoon
3 salamander breath
3 wild fang girl
3 dragonmancer rite
2 minimum uriel
1 olivia (imo)

Some other shit as well.
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This Havenfag decided to Themis Degree and sac his entire board instead of trading.

Is he a fucking idiot or was there some master plan he was working for? Because I basically came back from that and won
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>>164284260
Because she doesnt exist
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>>164283972

It's insane. Easily the most powerful unit in the game per mana.

If there's any card that arguably deserves to be nerfed, it's this guy.
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>>164283960
RoB feels way better than DE as a set. New archetypes, solid support for old ones, better options more or less across the board without falling into obvious power creep. I really hope the next release is a step up as well.
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>>164284269
for fun and profit*
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>>164284294
He might have meant to play the card next to Themis and played Themis by accident
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>>164284168
Why would I take a highlight video from a B player as a good judge of what is meta defining instead of decklists from actual Master players?
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>>164283991
Themis. Usually they concede if you drop 3 in a row.
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>>164284298
fuck so true
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>>164284168
>>164284125
>>164284205
You should have seen the SV stream. Kripp is good in HS, but damn the poor guy is completely lost when it comes to SV.

I mean, when he reviewed the card, he was not wrong, but he isn't invested in the game at all, even though he claims to like it. He doesn't have the time to be invested in 2 CCG and that's understandable.
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>>164284038

Yeah because Rune clearly needs the help.
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wait what the fuck there aren't any ties?
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>>164284328
Nope, he went face with Valhallan General and the Birdy before he Themisd + Pinion Prayer.

He did it on purpose and I have no idea why. This is A2 rank as well and I'm assuming people aren't total dropkicks here
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>>164284312
Why does everyone complain about Cudgel but Levi is never brought up?

In my eyes Levi is the only card in the game that deserves a hard nerf right now.
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>>164284001
Kripp a shit. I'd rather listen to some Nip advice in a language I don't understand than him.
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Hey who is this girl?
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>>164283991
People really need to just play out DShift and Seraph, I've won so many games where the opponent doesn't actually have full combo after dropping their card.
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>>164284294
>Haven
>Thinking
They aren't even running new decks
All the same 3 month old deck in RoB too
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>>164284407
the dork dragoon
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>>164283807
As someone who plays Daria Rune it's massively overhyped. The gameplan essentially comes down to dumping shit on the board and praying that they don't have an AoE removal next turn because bodies are all you have. Blade Mage is extremely mediocre.
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>>164284407
My little waifu
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>>164284383
If you try to go for a tie, you'll lose. The rule is simple, if there's a tie on your turn, you lose.

There's no tie in this game.
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>>164284354
>but damn the poor guy is completely lost when it comes to SV.
This.
He actually said Daria was a bad legendary and wouldn't see play.

Even my C0 scrub ass saw that Daria was going to have a strong deck built around her.
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>>164284407
That highschool slut sucking Chad and Tyrone's dicks in the boys' restrooms
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>>164284394
> This is A2 rank as well and I'm assuming people aren't total dropkicks here
You are assuming wrong, this very thread is filled by A mounthbreathers, most play Haven too
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>>164284294
I saw this happen like 3 times to me yesterday, Havenfags really can't into interactivity.
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>You'll never play adult card games with Vampy
>Why live?
>>
>Want to play disco dragon because it sounds fun
>have pretty much everything except dragoons
>don't want to craft dragoons because I already have a Forte deck and want to spend vials on a another deck for a class that I don't have
I hate this
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>>164284134
>forest is the weakest class right now by far
>forest
>weakest
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>>164283978
Control blood seems pretty intellectual. I've noticed that when I lose to control blood, it's because they're able to read into my hand and predict how much face damage I'll be able to put out next turn. If they don't manage that, they either die due to underestimating my damage, or miss out on valuable opportunities to go into vengeance due to overestimating it. Requires a lot of meta knowledge, combined with good deduction skills.

Just don't fall for the d-shift meme. The only difficulty is really basic mental math. Gives a false illusion that it requires a lot of thinking because people who are not used to having to do math on the fly spend a lot of time thinking.
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>>164284278
Thanks
>>
What do the top tier ramp dragon decks look like?
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>>164283381
Better than it has ever been but still mediocre shit
Ladder is nothing but Elana or Daria
Elana is the least cancer
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>>164284452
well that's annoying as i would've taken an entirely different line, but at least i know now
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Saori Hayami is fucking Ancient Elf??

God damn it Apple.
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>>164284394
Why is erika so soft? I just want to poke her skin all day. With my dick
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>>164284425
Daria Rune isn't overhyped.
It's strong because it shits out too much damage for most decks to deal with and if it curves properly you better hope you have 2-3 AoE removals.

It's basically the classic cudgel+aria combo ramped up.
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>>164284482
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>>164284394
Storm Haven is all about the face, but they're supposed to Themis when their board gets cleared.

Like he's supposed to Themis when you value clear his board first. He was just being stupid against you.
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>>164284278
Is it worth without any imperial dragoons?
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>>>16427824
Who should play Urias in the Shadowverse live action film?
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>>164284425
As someone who doesn't play Daria Rune, it's massively overhyped.

I mean I've lost to turn 4 Daria before which seems more or less unstoppable, and I've seen Daria into Daria into Daria more than a few times, but Jesus have I gotten a lot of free wins off of their bricks. Like holy fucking shit I don't know who the fuck would want to play a deck like that with all the ways it can go wrong. If I wanna fish for 4 card combos, Turn 2 Atomy makes a much better screenshot.
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>>164284556
nope, need at least 1, that is the heart of the deck
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>>164284556
>is discard dragon worth it without the card that singlehandedly made discard dragon a non-meme

I don't know anon...
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>>164284482
Control Blood isn't simple. If you aren't playing aggro, the craft in general requires a lot of knowledge of the other decks.

You're playing with your life total a lot so there's a lot of risk/reward involved.
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>>164284526
Maids are soft, wimpy creatures
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>>164284587
Try getting out from A and we will talk. The best card in the deck is not even Daria.
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>>164284368

>only one playable deck pre ROB and it had a negative w/l ratio

yes, it did you fucking retard
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>>164284269
nobody came.
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quickly put together NON META forest deck, what should I change or keep??

also off the pic
>Cyntia x 2
>Forest Anchelor
>White Wolf
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>>164284397

I mean Baldie is the strongest 4 drop EVO in the game and yet he STILL barely offers anything more than Levi for the EVO point.

I secretly suspect people just hate Baldie because he's a haven unit and because his voice lines are so frustrating to hear.

He's really only slightly better than dragon warrior and princess mage.
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>>164284556
Dragoon is pretty much the only reason why the deck is now viable.

A full board clear plus face damage is what PtP was. However Dragoon is simply get to fucking 9 mana.

You chain Altered Fate into Altered Fate and hope you get PtP to win with that deck.

Dragoon however by himself is game winning and Dragoon into Dragoon is guaranteed victory against anything that isn't a Seraph or DShift.
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>>164284651
It's piercing rune, isn't it? It could be Levi, but I have a feeling you're talking about Piercing Rune.
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Guess it's time to rename the game to Dariaverse ;v)
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This is what I've gotten from free packs so far, are any decent?
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>>164284651
I'm in AA and I have never seen the deck win without Daria by 5.
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>>164284587
>Turn 2 Atomy
what
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>>164284694

nah fuck you

having near-exclusive access to banish is fucking horseshit for Shadow players and will never not be horseshit
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>>164284634
>>164284482
I second this
t. Control Blood player.
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>>164284738
>banner tier class
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>>164284425

You're a complete if you don't realize how drastically that deck powercreeps the entire format. Either your deck can deal with at least 2 full boards or you're dead by turn 6 if they curve properly, and if they don't no problem, they have a metric billion of burn card that also acts as high tempo removals to finish you off if you miraculously managed to stabilize.

A lot of decks that could at least put up a fight pre ROB and that should have gotten better fell headfirst into the dumpster just because of how ridiculous the powercreep of this expansion was, it's frankly sickening and doesn't fill me with hope for the game.

It's fucking ridiculous that a card as broken as Fortunehunter feena ends up falling under the radar, just because that amount of power which would have been huge pre ROB is now barely sufficient to get noticed
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>>164284760
Fafnir is overshadowed by Bahamut but not garbage
Nephthys is bugged right now, so we don't know
Seraph is powerful
Albert is powerful
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>>164284636
>Maids are soft, wimpy creatures
Snip snip
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>>164284760
Fuck you i want foil seraph so bad.
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>>164284001
You mean the guy that didn't believe that dirt rune was a real deck that ran Petrification or that Dragon would run Odin, and banned anyone who played amulet banishes?

He's literally "that kid"
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>>164284760
Albert, a strong legendary that serves in every single deck of its class.
Seraph, a core wincon of an entire deck archetype, also yours is animated.
Nep, nobody fucking knows as she's literally been unplayable as long as she's been out. Literally as in you're not allowed to use her.
Fafnir, obsoleted.

The animated Seraph is a reason in itself to keep the account, but rolling only 4 legendaries is really below average.
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>>164284714
If you played the deck you know Clarke is the problem followed by Levi and Piercing Rune combo.

>>164284763
Daria and her friend won't come out that easily without Clarke.
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Are the gamewith decks any good ?
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>>164284789
This image is terrible and whoever made it should feel bad.
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>>164284651
>>164284651
This.

Daria is just the engine that stops you from bricking. Piercing Rune + Levi can win you the game without Daria ever showing up.
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>>164284919
nope
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>>164284902
Fafnir is better than ever working as Bahamut's right hand man along with Salamander.

That being said, he should still reroll if that's not all his free packs, yeah.
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At least we're not this dead.
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>>164284694
He's not even better than dragon warrior unless you are fighting against shadow. Against any other class dragon is the better turn 4 since it can trade up or enable weenie suicide ram which Baldie can't.
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>>164284523

The whole cast is amazing.

Did you know Rie Kugimiya plays Vampy?

There are other famous actors too like Kana Hanazwa, Ayane Sakura, Rumi Okubo and Yui Horie.

https://shadowverse.gamewith.jp/article/show/37511

I just wish their stupid voice agencies would allow the Japanese dialogue to be used in the US.

It's a perfect example of how the Japanese entertainment industry shoots itself in the foot with greedy, stupid, localization practices.
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>>164284276
Can you actually concede to me anon?
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>>164284636

maid leader is my wife
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>>164284904

Clarke really carries the deck, the fact that he's 2/3 adds insult to injury

Levi is also strong but rune needs versatile good cards and Levi isn't a problem in itself, he's a very powerful card but he's fine in a vacuum

Piercing rune is just retarded on top of being feast or famine, horribly designed card like Daria
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>instead of waiting one turn for lethal, he rather use daria

>tfw your wincon was just lasting long enough for your opponent to deck out and kill themselves.

I had around 20 card still.
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>people said Nep is going to be shit
>even without Nep the deck is still strong thanks to thighs assassin
>at this point it's seems like it's going to be turn 8 play Mordecai for free and maybe clear some board

What if Cygames are keeping her away because she's too strong?
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>>164283653
It sure is
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Please shit on my deck and tell me what I should do.
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what card is it?

i don't see it in the game whatsoever
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pls concede
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>>164284780

Well now Shadow has the monopoly on insane kill effects like Necroassassin, Lurching Corpse, and motherfucking Khawy.
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>>164285043
Floral Fencer, did you do the story anon ?
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>>164284397
I complain about both
Baldy completely clears early boards on his own because pretty much nothing you have before turn 4 has more than 3 defense, and then he runs into something else leaving behind a large body that has to be traded into. Floral is bullshit but at least she leaves behind a board that can be interacted with. Plus as long as Baldy exists Shadow will never be able to be top-tier because he fucks over their midgame way too hard unless they can pull of the Phantom Howl/Cerberus dream.

Levi is literally 7 damage for 3 and isn't even understatted, with Piercing Rune that becomes 11 damage for 4, with 5 of that potentially to face. It's absolutely insane and the only reason why people don't complain about Levi more is that the rest of Rune's followers are absolute garbage, which can't be said for Haven.

Either Levi's evolve statline should be 3/3 or Crimson Sorcery should be 2 damage, there are tons of followers who get understatted for much weaker effects.
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>>164284975

What's weenie suicide ram?
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>>164285043
Floral Fencer.
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>>164284976

Aoi Yuuki does gunner maid sera and remi/rami.

Well, time to switch to Steam.
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>>164284814
Yep. If your deck can't deal with the average Daria board flood x2, it'll be at the mercy of how the Rune player draws.

>>164285004
Piercing Rune feels like what they did with Aria - Cygames wanted to force the deck into the meta so they threw a bunch of effects from other cards onto one card. It's fucking absurd and unfortunately reminds me of Blizzard's design philosophy of rotating classes through the meta.
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>>164285069
yeah, thanks, i found out i have to do the story

i am a newbie and actually making a deck to clear the story..
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>>164285074

>which can't be said for Haven

Haven followers ARE garbage, they're just enabled by synergistic cards
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>>164285053
Thanks anony
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>>164285017

post deck please
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>>164285040
wait for Nep to come out :^)
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Do you feel people focus on specific classes in Shadowverse more so than in Hearthstone?

I hesitate to say "maining" classes but it feels like there are more "Havenfags, Shadowfags etc" than Warriorfags etc in Hearthstone
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Why is everyone sleeping on Damus?

He seems like an absolutely insane card.
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>>164281187
yeah, you are completely right
the whole mechanic is based around draw
if you can put amulet on 3pp you set
if they destroy amulet or you just out of luck - you are fucked and you can just concede
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>>164285081
Dragon can drop 3 damage on an enemy and get another follower to ram into it for a kill.

Priest is a bad tempo play if there happens to be nothing with 3HP or less on board (unlikely on turn 4, but becomes increasingly likely as the game draws on).
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>>164285040
Urd instead of Impious.
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>>164285153
Statline renders him pretty vulnerable to Piercing Rune among other things. People are still ironing out what a slower non-Elana/Seraph Haven build would look like too.
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>>164285146
Its because the different classes actually feel different. Hearthstone cemented the fact they want all their classes the same with the last expansion.
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>>164285040
Remove unicas, add urd x3
Add a third gourmet if possible
I'm unsure about undying resentment but it's probably fine
Try Spartoi Soldier instead of Skullcradle if you think you need shadow/early game ward for aggro.
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>>164285146
You need to see the elf and sword players bitching all day about the """"""""""overstatted""""""""" card of bloodcraft
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>>164285123
>temple defender
>heavenly hound
>cudgel
>moonbunny
>curate
>their one million storm amulets that you can't do shit about
>bad
Haven's follower quality is way too good for how strong their effects are and for how powerful Elana is. I'd argue that besides Levi Elana is the second card that absolutely needs a hard nerf, to 5PP at the least.
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>>164285153
Probably the 3/2 body. Look at yurius, just by being 1/3 it can lead to concede.
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>>164285182

Oh right, because Baldie basically can't activate his effect without a >3 HP follower.

That's a really good point.

But no one ever complains about dragon warrior.

I guess this proves people just want to hate on Haven. There is a lot to hate about Haven but this one definitely seems unfair.
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>>164285091
Why switch to steam?
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>>164285153

2 health means it dies to any removal in the game, and when unprotected at best he gives you a slightly advantageous trade while not doing much to further any gameplan.
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>discard dragon with a shit ton of draw/discard cards
fuck you game you piece of shit
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>>164285240

So basically it's just not enough HP?
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>>164285153
2hp is easy targt for removals
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>>164284814
>>164284528
This would be true if the deck wasn't massively inconsistent, it bricks hard and it bricks often, and when it does there's basically no coming back.

Daria is also completely fucked by Haven and by wards
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>>164285238

Temple defender is good
Heavenly hound really isnt
Cudgel sure
and Moonbunny is a high end legendary that doesn't really fit in any archetype except pure face damage, and that gets removed easily by most decks after at best killing another minion. Nothing to write home about.

Amulets arent follower, they're amulets
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>>164284814
Feena really isn't that great though, she's a worse evolve in terms of raw stats than Floral Fencer, and tutors a 2-drop at a point in the game when 2-drops shouldn't be important. She's too slow to be used to give aggro decks more gas, and she's not enough value for control decks to want to take the chance of drawing her when they have no evolve points.

Overall she just doesn't have a well-defined role, which isn't particularly unusual since she's a Neutral. It has nothing to do with power creep, especially when Urd continues to be so good despite being a neutral standard card.
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>>164285263

Because I want to hear her scream. I guess I gotta make a dirt rune deck though.
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>>164284471
Source please
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>tfw started playing Blood in A0
>class was at the level ypu get right after Story Mode
I will never get out of this rank with Blood and i am dropping down too very fast
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>>164285320
>Moonbunny is a high end legendary that doesn't really fit in any archetype except pure face damage, and that gets removed easily by most decks after at best killing another minion. Nothing to write home about.

Stop posting on 4chan, Gilgamesh.
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>>164285017
It's like you're playing with 6 Mordecais!
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>>164285332
5/6+2/2=4/5+2/2+1/1
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>>164285153
>Damus
If he was 2/3 he would be insane, he just dies to like 90% of 2 drops.
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Should I get 2 bahamuts or a bahamut and an olivia?

the goblins are filler
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>>164284471
Can you explain what each the button means?
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>>164285146
Compare the number of neutral cards in Shadowverse decks to Hearthstone decks.

SV has very distinct classes
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>>164285146
Shadowverse crafts are more distinct and more closely balanced than Hearthstone. It's easy to say that Hunter is weak and Warrior is strong, there isn't any real need for a discussion.

Despite /svg/ talking about stale metas or whatever, DE actually had new developments even into Rise spoiler season and I don't think there was any point where the best craft broke 55% and the worst craft fell below 45%. This means people can still feasibly play what they want and it also means that people can make arguments about this and that being broken with other people arguing in defense of it. So we get Forestfags bitching about Sword, Swordfags bitching about Dragon, Shadowfags bitching about Haven and Havenfags bitching about Rune.
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>>164285305
As people iron out the deck, I doubt it'll brick nearly as often. Even now I only brick 1/2 of the time, which isn't even awful considering how it's basically a win if I can get some Levis/Clarkes/Runes.
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>pulled my third Bloodhungry Matriarch today
Cygames really wants me to play Control Blood but I don't want to craft Queen Vampires and Temptresses when the deck isn't even T1
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>>164285153
3/2 body, too bad i liked him
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>>164285305

>This would be true if the deck wasn't massively inconsistent, it bricks hard and it bricks often

It doesn't brick as often as you seem to think, but statistics will come soon enough so there's no point in arguing about that with no data.

Daria is not fucked by haven if they don't draw two themis, that's all there is to it, and most wards can't stop an "on curve" ogler or daria. You'll be pinged down by their 2/2s to 10 health and then they'll pace themselves, bait a mass removal and go ham the next turn, if you don't have a second you're fucked.
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>>164285146
Hearthstone suffers from all its decktypes being more based around strong neutrals rather than class-specific cards. The strongest archetypes in Hearthstone right now all have the word "pirate" in them. That should tell you something.

Shadowverse in contrast has Last Word Shadow, Seraph Haven, Banner Sword, Discard Dragon, DShift Rune, and Bat Blood.

Hero powers are also all a lot more damn generic than the class abilities of Shadowverse. Cards even let you change your hero powers up too so any class can potentially have another class's power.

The class specific abilities in Shadowverse are designed into the cards. Officer/Commander, Spellboost, Necromancy, Combo, Earth Rite, etc. With Hearthstone you instead get some really janky shit like Renounce Darkness.
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>>164285426
Would highly recommend putting in BotS
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>>164285332
Feena is equivalent to floral actually. She's not really a bad turn 5 play at all - it depends on whether or not your class has a better turn 5.
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>>164285320
Heavenly hound isn't a good card? It's a 2/4 ward for 2, that can screw over your game plan to kill anything else on his board with your evo point.

Want to kill that 4/4 tiger? Well, you have to deal 4 damage to hound first if you want that trade buddy.
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>>164285332

>feena has less stats than floral fencer
>2 drops ever not being important

Stop posting
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>>164285449
DE meta was essentially Storm Haven > Forest > Midrange Sword being top dog all happening in 3 months
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>>164285153
He's a 3/2 pseudo ward. 2 damage removal is very easy to come by, if you have to ram a follower into him, nearly any 2 drop will do, and ultimately he has no impact unless your opponent is a blithering moron.
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>>164285468
>when the deck isn't even T1
Yeah stay out the deck is trash only the true bloodlovers will play with it now just dump your minions in the board
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>>164285221
What should I replace undying resentment with?
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>>164285536
Hound works better in an amulet heavy deck (which is why it's run a lot in bird haven) since the timing for its fanfare isn't as strict. In a Haven deck that only runs Aria as the follower amulet for example, it's difficult to get a good value out of it since you'll be playing it and evoing on the same turn.
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>>164285250
Nothing you put on board before turn 4 is going to have too much HP to be removed, unless you're going second and evolve or if you play Sandstorm Dragon.

If they popped Aria on turn 3 (which happens a lot) then your shit is getting removed no matter what because nothing can contest a 4/4 on turn fucking 3.

Baldy is basically a guaranteed 3-for-1, also pretty much nobody runs Dragon Warrior any more because Siegfried is a better 4 drop.
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>>164277807
When the FUCK will swordcraft get nerfed? They're good at all facets of the game and barely have any bad match ups. They also got buffed with the new update. Why the fuck is this okay?
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I have 2 prebuilt fortes but I cant bring myself to liquify 2 of my normal ones.
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>>164285140
Right now it's just a regular midshadow deck with the new LW guys.
I've just put in some necroassasins, corpses and attendants and when Nep comes out I'll just put in more copies and probably sack Cerberus/spartois for more last words and removal.

Khawy is actually Lotf for now.
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>>164285475
>as long as they don't draw the cards they need
>when they're the class with insane amounts of draw power

Don't forget that Elana can easily just heal their way through any aggression while flooding the board with powerful followers of their own.
>>
compensation packs when
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>>164285719

Give me your time machine man, I want to go back to the meta you're coming from
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>get good curve on discard dragon
>fucking milled myself to death
ok fuck dragon
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>>164285457
>I only brick half of the time
That's a complete garbage rate anon and it doesn't help your argument.
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SAVE ME ZOMBIES
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Requesting quick concede.
88307
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>>164285759
>being a literal retard
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>>164285679
Pretty much every dragon deck right now runs both.
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>>164285595
Why should anyone want to play an unoptimal deck?

Winning is fun
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>>164285728

No amount of draw available in this game guarantees of even gives good odds of having 2 of the same specific card by turn 6
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>>164285339
しこぶるっ!DeluxeOccasion [RJ190400]
>>164285432
It's just strip poker with anime power.
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>>164285679
Every dragon decklist I see runs some combination of siegfriend/dragon warrior actually.
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>>164285636
It isn't a staple in every single haven deck of course, but it's a very good card for a 2-drop.

The statline in this game is very strict, every 2-drop has 4 stat points or less, so seeing a +2 hp AND ward for a fairly easy requirement is really good.

See all the whine on Yurius and it's all because of 1 stat point in HP. And it's not even overstatted, it's just excellent stat allocation for its card text.
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>>164285719
I haven't seen a sword player besides me since RoB hit and I'm in fucking AA.
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>>164285793
Yeah do it play with your rune and elf for now and have fun.

And don't forget to liquefy the monarchs
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>>164285860
>rune
>elf
>good
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>>164285762
I'm running a deck without Daria, so I think it really helps my argument.

As some other Runefag said, Daria is just the engine. She's not even the most cancerous card in her archetype.
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>>164285769
Send help.
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60380, almost to 20.
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>>164285386
>>164285519
>>164285554
5 mana =/= 4 mana, and she also lacks the Officer tribe/any other class benefit.

Feena might feasibly be run in dragoncraft, especially since she can be ramped out as a turn 4 evolve, but she has to compete with Warrior. Every other class cares too much about synergy or is too aggressive to flop down a fat wad of stats with their turn 5 evolve.
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>>164285615
Phantom Howl
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>>164282791
The part of speech is ambiguous at best, and the class names in Japanese are an inconsistent mix of race, job, and social status. Gotta say they wouldn't have been a great choice in English.
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>>164285913
In Forest, I use the 0pp gobu to pop Tia on turn 6 if I don't get princess mage.
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>>164285913

Feena is a far better use of EVO points than anything close to turn 4 in Shadow.
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>>164285851
Hound is conditional on having another evo'd follower in play, so you're basically paying an extra 2PP just to get the ward. If you're playing off curve then that's pretty much never going to happen until at least turn 6 when the game is already beginning to end.

Hound is fine and I am not that other Anon, but I wouldn't really run it over snake/angra/unica in non-storm haven decks.
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Where do I netdeck good decks if gamewith and gamepress arent good
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>>164285339
https://mega.nz/#!WBUSTY4I!yFH6jiXdOnGyaCcT7eZwuHEEYPEVj6GTHyz9ibY2AU4
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>>164285939
Japs are Englishaboo.
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>>164285903
I need a concede too
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>>164285769
Thanks.
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>>164285990
your brain
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>>164285837
>>164285995
Thank you Vampybros
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>>164285975
*on curve
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>>164280109
A is when it becomes somewhat challenging but AA is when it really becomes a struggle
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>>164285793
I don't find winning in itself fun. I have fun when I'm playing with a fun deck. Though losing constantly kills that fun, so it has to be the right balance between fun and having the potential to win.

Maybe that's just me, though. Considering all the people playing Daria right now, there must be quite a lot of people out there who literally just need to see the "you win" announcement to have fun.
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>>164286019

But my brain is stupid
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57971
I'm at 7/20

Will be doing this just a few times.
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>>164286003
Oh shit, send the code and will do that.
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>>164285990
Here, when certain folks aren't being autistic.
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>>164286073
It's alright no worries. I'm in an arena game anyways
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>>164286051
Daria isn't even that strong though. It may be in the future when people figure out how to improve the deck, but right now it's wildly inconsistent.

Does Control Blood even run 3 Matriarch? This is Alexander all over again, I pulled 3 of him from DE packs instead of a big core legendary.
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>>164286051
He is hopeless some people find d-shift and banner fun
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Blood has become fucking unbeatable in T2. Fuck this shit.
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So is Discard Dragon a meme and should we all just play Daria only?
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>>164285975
Yes it doesn't work in non-storm, because bird haven evolves to get face damage on storm minions that appeared at the start of the turn.

But in that deck, it's a really good card.
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>>164285990
Game Ai and Shadowverse News. I don't know how the fuck Gamewith got so prolific for how shit it is.
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>>164285990
Gamewith and press are fine if you can work out the edges and identify a shit idea, it's a valid place to get a basis. If you ask here someone might be able to help you out.
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Do you start getting more score at higher rankings? Extrapolating from today I'd have to play 4ish hours a day every day this month to max out the rewards.
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>>164286120
I never lost to daria with discard for now with around 20 match but i lost against dshift
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>>164286136
Newbies won't know how to fix bad lists. They need to be directed to proper resources to learn. Really, they shouldn't even trust /svg/ because everything here is a crapshoot. I think netdecking is good for new players but they need to understand how to do it and Gamepress is awful for that. The competing sites often include guides, stats and tech suggestions.
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>>164286120
Running 3 Sallys, 2 Conflags, 2 Faf-chans and 3 Bakas helps dealing with her bullshit.
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>>164283978

Forest White Wolf Silver Bolt
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>There are people in this thread who thinks that tempo rune isn't busted
>Hurr durr just play control deck
Not even control deck can keep up with them when they literally have billion face damage with levi, piercing, missile, snipe and they just swarm their board thanks to faggot clarke. Not even haven amulet can compete with this stupid shit.
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>>164286217
You get less. From Beginner to B3, you get win streaks, aka +50 score points if you keep winning.

From A0 to Master, no win streaks anymore. If you want those 12k score points for the cosmetics, you should stay below A0 to benefit from the win streak bonus. Or decide to rank up and play more. Or forget about the cosmetics.

Honestly Score Rewards above 12k is irrelevant for the average player.
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>>164286278

> The competing sites often include guides, stats and tech suggestions.

But aren't they all in japanese
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>>164286120
discard is pretty good
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>>164286304
I just do ranked until I hit 12k and play in unranked unless dailies force me into ranked.
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>>164286130
I've been looking at gamepress and they post recent tournament decks. How can those be bad?
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>>164286292
Control decks are harder to refine than aggro decks. Give it time.
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What's the point of playing discard dragon when ramp exists? Is it just the cheaper option?
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>>164286389
Meme value.
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>>164286056
57971
I'm at 8/20
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>>164286292
Themis
>>164286389
Its a fun meme and it cost more than ramp. Discard is not cheap.
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Why i can't create a deck with 50 cards? why do they even put that limit?
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>>164285536
>>164286127
I much prefer Reno and Mainyu for storm.

Storm Haven's game plan is going face. While Hound can make the board troublesome to some. Simply evolving Cudgels on turn 4 is usually more proactive at keeping your board.

The thing with Aria popping is there's usually a high chance of your opponent also having a board usually. While Tiger+Evolved Eagle+Hound Ward is hefty, it's not hard to remove if the opponent has board going into their turn.

Reno and Mainyu usually provide far more troublesome issues to opponents when they're also hanging around the board. With Reno you can still get the 2 face damage, remove something, and have a high priority removal target. With Mainyu, you demand an evo attack usually.
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>>164286363
That's a good attitude if you're new. Build your collection, have a decent deck for many crafts, and build competitive decks while grinding score as little as possible.

Even with a 30% win-rate, you'll eventually end up in A0 so take your time and enjoy the ride. There's no rank reset, you can't go back.
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>got memed on with Daria AND dimension shift
What kind of mad hand did he get?
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>>164286315
So is Gamewith but that doesn't stop people from taking its popular vote tier list seriously. Gamepress doesn't even write proper guides, I skimmed through one recently and it just tells you to play cards with no mulligan strategies or match up information beyond which ones they consider good or bad.

Computer translation on Game-ai is more informative. Gamewith and Gamepress really need to be stopped, they're not just ineffective but they can actually make a player worse for how bad they are.
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>>164286292
Haven can easily outheal them, i have literally lost 0 out of who knows how many games because they like to throw crimson bolts at my face instead of my minions.
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>>164286386
I literally trying everything with control sword here in lower master, teching unica to force them trading don't even work. Teching rush follower not even work since if you kill that faggot clarke, they just get their board again on turn 4. This is literally unga on steroids.

>>164286457
>>164286520
I'm not playing haven currently. I know it works well against daria but I'm trying to do shits to get control sword working. But if it doesn't work I might just ditch sword till next expansion and go with elana seraph/roach deck.
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>>164286472
I'm AA1 at this point, I honestly just want to do stupid shit like play Atomy since I finally got my third copy of the guy today without worrying about losing score.
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>>164286467
It's possible that Hound can't keep up with the power-level of the new cards. I have a bird deck from DE but I have lost interest in the deck since RoB. I haven't lost against bird haven with my control sword.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING IN THIS FUCKING RUN!?
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Cygames wants me to quit the game with bullshits oing in ladder and these dailies too
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I'm totally straight but I want to fucking marry the Fangblade Slayer.

SO MUCH VALUE
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>try playing shadow
>haven
>haven
>haven
>banishes all my corpses and attendants

Just like old days. looks like it's time to rev up them sextons
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>>164286589
How many loses to bahamut
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>>164286380
Tournament format is very different from ladder format. Lists in tournaments often include techs that go dead on ladder. A good example of this is that Earth was actually very prolific in tournaments because it baits out anti-Dshift mulligans and counters Haven decks trying to snipe out game 1 PtPs. The two deck format and limited meta create environments where sacrificing match ups can be ideal.
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>its a "opponent doesnt preemptively evolve his daria after dumping his hand on turn 6" episode

daily reminder daria players are actual retards carried by an overtuned deck
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>>164286665

>used to think olivia was a stupid card that ruined take two
>mfw bahamut

They managed to ruin arena faster than hearthstone, kind of a wonder.
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>have perfect curve
>board still gets wiped every turn
wew
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>>164286663
What I don't get about sexton is, even if you play him on turn 2, then they can blackened scripture him before you play anything else and you're back to zero. If you don't play him on turn 2, then they can banish the shit you play instead and it's still the same exact thing.
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>ramp dragon pulls satan at t7
>can't fucking win
>dies by decking himself out
I love mid-shadow and death's breath.
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>>164286427
pls help ;_;
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welp, no more aggro shadow for me

anyone got a mid or control deck list?
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>>164286591
just be glad its not >play 100 forest bats
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>>164286684
>turn 5
>flood the board with Daria and play caleido on their rune
>even if they somehow managed to get it I have another 3 cost Daria in hand
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>>164286819
>no more aggro Shadow
what happened?
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>>164286529
Daria is difficult for control sword but I think people play this deck a lot because it's cheap, fast and fun. With time, it'll die down a little bit hopefully. It's basically bird haven for rune.

I use Hamsa + Cyclone blade or Tsubaki + Cyclone Blade. It requires 2 cards, but it can save some games.

see
>>164280563
>>164278475
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>>164286753
They should have made it an amulet
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>>164286665
None. But going first every single game and all my opponents having perfect constructed decks is actually making me so mad I'm tearing up a bit.
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>>164286684
I'm winning about 4/5 against Daria at AA but the deck's crazy enough when I lose that I'm convinced it'll be t0 when it's tuned and the FotM players leave only the competent pilots behind.
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>put two (2) Vampiric Fortresses and one (1) Forest Bat on board, expecting one of fortresses to pop for 3 damage
>fortress number one summons a bat (4 on board)
>fortress number two summons a bat (5 on board)
>none of them pops
I might be too dumb for the game i guess
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>>164286753
Sexton eating a blackened scripture is almost best-case scenario since he pseudo-protects your attendant of night or whatever next turn. Also there are turns where you can play sexton and other cards at the same time, i.e. turns after the second one. A 2/2 for 2 isn't meant to completely erase haven's advantage, comparing him to Spartoi Sergeant you're losing 1 shadow to bait or nullify removal, which is very potent even if it doesn't win games.
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>>164286741
I think both cards should be banned from take 2. Satan can stay because even if he's played, the opponent can still close the game out before the cards start coming but olivia and bahamut are way too strong for decks that you just string some shit together.
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>>164286810
The other day I tried posting on >reddit's private match thread and got a bunch of matches with 0 effort. Might be faster to try there.
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>>164286251
post deck
im really interested how you made this shit actually work
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should I swap out a forte for a notforte in ramp dragon? The lack of 2 drops other than mushu and unicorn feels bad.
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>>164286757
He couldn't afford Di-ing you in the face 3 times?
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I AM A FUCKING RETARD
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>>164286889
The wording is pretty clear anon.
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>>164286889
>s a bat (5 on board
classic
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>>164286741
You can play around Bahamut if you are not retarded but you can't play around Olivia.
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Everyone at masters is playing aggro bats right now, holy shit.
I'm glad blood players can be bullied as cancer now.
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>>164286741
>tfw i thought i won when i play satan and he didnt have anything on board.
>he plays bahamut right after in take two
>i play 3 follower
>he plays that shadow spell enchance 8 summon two ghost and give it bane

I was so salty.
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>>164286841
tired of auto losing the game because the enemy has early removal

i wanna play a real deck now
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>>164286834
I saw the dailies hearthstone added when watching Kripp. I'm glad we have simple dailies.

Play 50 murlocs xD
Use 257 battlecry minions xD
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http://game-ai.jp/20299/

What the fuck is this ???
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>>164286958
>I'm glad blood players can be bullied as cancer now.
Fuck you
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>>164286908
Yeah looks like there's a bunch of people posting in that thread still. Thanks for the tip.
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>>164286587
Storm Haven's premier problem is wards and control Sword shits out tons of them.

It also suffers against aggro decks faster than it if it doesn't get a fast starting play itself.

So basically it's not good in this meta.

>>164286529
Your best answer is Cyclone Blade. Floral Fencer evolve usually at least leaves a knight on board to evolve. Otherwise consider teching in ambush stuff like Shadowed Assassin or Kunoichi for a stronger target. Ninja Arts is a powerful early removal that also doubles as a Cyclone Blade/reach setup late game.

Also consider teching in Monika and Teena for more evolve 2 for 1s.

Stall with wards. If your opponent gets its perfect curve, then that's that, but if you can clear the initial flood and they don't have Daria, Sword's options open up drastically while Rune runs on fumes.
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What kind of players will I meet in beginner 0?
What is the bare minimum I should have in a deck to start playing ranked?
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>>164286927
Just don't be afraid to use forte for trade
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>>164286948

You can only play around bahamut if you have a huge lead, as a tie breaker it's either you have a removal answer (you won't) or you're fucked
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>>164286958
Aggrobats are the chemo for the aggro/tempo runes, discard dork dragoons, and other fuckery going on at the moment.
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>>164287052
>players will I meet in beginner 0?
completely retards like a baby piloting a spaceship
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>>164287052
>What is the bare minimum I should have in a deck to start playing ranked?

It should at least be banner sword tier
Which still means some golds and substitutes for legendaries if you don't have them
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>>164287052
You can probably beat people in beginner 0 with the default deck. But there might be sandbagger or whales with tier 1 decks.
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As a new player, where do i get learning? I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
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>>164286281
p-post deck please
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>>164286835

>i have infinite mana all the time and also the perfect hand

this is the kind of retard that plays daria
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>>164287114
Do all the story mode. It gives you some basic card you need in every class. Also beat the elite boss after that for 200 gold per class.
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>>164287137
What did he mean by this
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>>164287114
>As a new player, where do i get learning?

You are doing it right now and playing the story is a good start too
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Anyone has a good aggro shadow deck? I need something cheap for the missions. Seems I get shat on everything if the other guys is halfway competent.
RoB got some really good cards I can take but not sure how to build it now or what to remove
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>>164287093
implying the game doesn't need you a relatively decent for a novice deck simply to beat the story
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>>164287114
>where do i get learning
By playing and losing
Learning the hard way is the best way
I will never again destroy a haven countdown amulet thinking it will abort the summon of the follower
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>>164287052
You'll meet beginners and you can climb even on a 30%win rate with a shit deck.

I didn't play ranked until I had a complete deck when I started and it was overkill as fuck. People up to B rank can't even count on board lethal. Don't be neurotic like I was, this is your chance to learn what you like and take it easy.
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>>164286869
You're just bad, deal with it. Played 6 take twos in this patch 5 of them were 4 wins and one was 5 wins
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>>164287189
It's easy to beat the story with the default deck
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>>164287189

what are you talking about ? I beat story mode of every character except rune without ever going back to the deckbuilding mode, and even rune I only put the free cards clearing the previous chapters gave me
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Retard need a concede for 30 rupies please
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>>164286940
Nope, I had too much early pressure and Dis x3 wouldn't have killed me, he also had to answer to that new 7 drop and a Gabriel buffed zombie
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>guardian sun with servant of darkness
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>got memed on by a T6 Bahamut with no hard removal
welp
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>>164287245
thanks
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>>164287229
maybe, because default deck actually makes sense
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>>164287158
Don't the elite AIs in practice cheat like crazy?

They pull some ridiculous bullshit.
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>>164287101
lol

I have literally 0 golds (including 0 alwidas) in my banner and I made it to A0 last night with 10 win streaks all over the place.
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>>164287070
why did you put emissary in there
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>>164286958
Yeah, I'm seeing a lot more aggro bats than Daria rune since Yurius singlehandedly flipped the bad Sword and Forest matchups.

Honestly he should be 2/2 because having what is an effective turn 2 2/3 minimum when going first is obscene. Wish there was some way to make Yurius more suited for control than for aggro because I can't pull off many meme decks when the meta is this damn fast.
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>>164287354
>>164287354
>>164287354
>>164287354
NEW THREAD
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>>164287295
The elite decks are somewhat decent, they have legendaries and golds, and the AI isn't too dumb. I used a Haven deck to farm most of those.
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>>164287295
Erika is some pure bullshit but nothing grinding won't fix. Put together a budget banner/aggro bats to help ease the pain.
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>>164287307
Dragoon is your wincon.
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Is anne any good?

She's super cute but the card is so slow
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>>164287295
they have a lot of legendaries

two robin hoods coming at once fucking hurt
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>>164287307
Playing more aggressive as possibile i always finish at max turn 8/9 also 3 are more than enough so i can discard it without problem when it comes to discard low cost card effect
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>>164287182
Here's mine, didn't really change much but still works well
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>>164287254
servant of darkness with the commander of demons, laura
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Being tempo forest is absolute suffering right now.
>Face Rune
>Rite of Exorcism on my fat AE
>Face Shadow
>Removal city, Khavy'd.
>Elena Haven
>why aren't you running PTP lol
>Face Blood
>Turn 2 Yulius, Turn 3 Veight

Only dragon, sword and other forest is reliably beatable. I guess it's time to play Silver Bolt memes.
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>>164287482
thanks
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>>164287182
try this
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>>164287070
thanks
i guess it works better than my deck with a shit ton of wards
really wards is a bad idea with disco dragon
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>>164287482
>>164287901
Wouldnt Goblin Mage, Feena or these new 1/2 only go face help alot too?
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