/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

>>164265176
Oops. Previous thread: >>163927658

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>>164265276
It's aight, least ya got the thread up without a faggy op pic.

>>164265176
jesus christ, Dr.Urist, at least break the arrow shafts

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>looking for companions to fight a night troll
>meet up with a tall somewhat fat swordswoman and travel to the site
>get drowsy, stop to make camp
>swordswoman tells me she's feeling randy
>whatever, go to sleep
>wake up with her standing over my prone body

what do?

>>164267049
lick any blood or vomit on your clothes in a seductive fashion

>>164265176
1st for update
NEVER EVER this year
t central time

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>>164268236
This.

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>embark on white sand desert, envisioning a fortress focusing on glassmaking, with outposts in the caverns for logging operations
>first migrant wave is a fisherman, a fish cleaner, a bone carver and a brewer
>turns out my river is full of mussels
>so many mussels that my second migrant wave is three fishery workers, another bone carver and an engraver
>first strange mood is a bone carver
>second strange mood is a random peasant who picks bonecarving
>third strange mood is one of my farmers, who also decides to carve himself some bones
>by year two I have two legendary fishermen and three legendary fish cleaners
>by year three I can fill out the caravans with gifts of tacky mussel shell jewelry and cooked mussels and still have several hundred overpriced shells and a stockpile full of fish barrels left over
>meanwhile the only glassmaking done is my mayor's mussel aquarium
Why is it that my fortresses never turn out the way I want them to? I embark in the forest and plan to do metalwork, and I end up getting sucked into a cloth industry thanks to my twin giant cave spiders. I try to do pottery, but then oh look magnetite, bituminous coal and dolomite how lovely. Alright time for some glassmaking, oh just kidding have some fucking bivalves faggot, hope you like your fishermen churning out a million mussels per second. Its not like you needed that FPS anyway.

>>164268236
>>164270150
ok advice taken, she just spit on my lower body

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>>164272026
That's how you know she's into you.

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>>164271279
You know you just can tell them to stop, right?

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>>164272026
Time to wrestle her clothing away and see where things go I suppose, oh and happy new years anons!

>>164271279
The only solution here is to get started on magma pumps, obsidianize the river, and segregate the fishfuckers in the caverns to see if they can find anything/end up getting killed by/accidentally kill some beasties down there.

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Happy 2017, Taking requests to kick off the new year.

>>164272792
>>164272532
ok done, she started talking about how great romance is and now we're "wrestling"

also happy new years to you too

>>164272789
It's too late. At first I was like "oh neat some easy cash flow" and then I spent a year setting up my metal industry and getting my military up and running.
Then I noticed my FPS was really fucking low, so I check my stocks screen and find 1.2k fish, as well as stacks of rotted mussels, fresh mussels and mussel shells underneath my fishermen and fisheries, each 3-4 pages long.
I've turned on DFhack's commands to deteriorate excess food and corpses, but it hasn't helped much yet. I'm trapped in fish hell forever now.

>>164273536
Disarm fisheries
Build bridge
Autodump mussels
Press [x] to mussel

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>Ex gf started huge 6 hour fight
>roommates little sister and her friend made me hang out with them for like two hours
>friend mad I didn't hang with him
>other friend won't stop texting me about her favorite memories from the year
>I just want to fuck around with my dorfs but these fags want to talk and shit
>mom visage quand

>>164275218
cool blog

>>164275218
that's why I don't have any friends

not true but it's a convenient excuse

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Low caves under the fort
(still taking requests)

>>164277552
smooth criminal dwarf
mj style

>>164272986
>>164277552
I don't have a request at the moment, but I'd like to thank you for drawing the butcher shop conga line earlier. I was gone for about a week due to Christmas so I didn't see it at the time.

>>164277771
Will try something!

>>164278632
My pleasure! had fun drawing that one!

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>>164272986
Super long haired elf girl (5) in dragonscale armor hugging her tall militia commander mother after killing her captors and murdering her way back home.

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>>164277771
The Shortest, mad, mother fucker, robber, elf slappin, around king dwarf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIUEHsyt54I

>>164280809
nice

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>tfw 21 dorfs in the fort
>8 fucking kids

Fuck you Toady, fuck you.

>>164275218
>friends
>gf
>dfg

Choose one

>>164282752
not a difficult choice, df is free

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>>164283109
>not a difficult choice, df is free
But it wont suck your dick so ...

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>>164279408
How is this?

>>164281614
Thanks!

>>164283179
>gfs dont produce artifacts

>>164283194
Touching, well fucking done man!

>>164283179
So's your gf, EYYY, BABOOSH!

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>>164275218
Is this what it is like?

>>164283765
Thanks! spent a while on that one, normally don't draw that kind of stuff.

>>164280809
i love this

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>>164283929
I enjoy that she's all covered in blood. :D

>>164285582
thats quite the fuckin' knife there mate

>>164285582
upvote

>>164280809
Brilliant.

I'd like to see a sleazy tavern scene, with bearded serving wenches and undesirable characters smoking pipes.

>>164286408
I put in a reaction to encrust with [ITEMS_HARD] and tried to add one for fabric bands with [ITEMS_SOFT] but that isn't a thing so I deleted that tag and learned I can add bands made of ANYTHING basically so I just started slapping everything I found on it... in hindsight it's kinda a mess at this point.

>>164272986
Could you try that 3rd atempt you talked about from the drawing of tekkud and the dragon?
Im making a collage, and I need a drawing like that

>>164285582
>kills
>steel colossus
I dont habeeb it

>>164283929
you really have a talent for drawing females timbuk

btw, is the fact that your name is on her briefcase means that she is leaving her boyfriend for you?
bretty subtle drew

Can you find Iron ores in caverns if there aren't any close to the surface ?

>>164288405
ye

>>164288647
Good to know.

>>164289285
Im so glad (You)s are back. I actually got scared for a couple of days

Also, how come none of you faggots post the FoFt
Its the most important of the year
>http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159164.new#new

Just scroll up a bit and you'll find it

Some stuff to make your thirst up
>Explanatin on how will the agents work in the next update
>insights on the myth arc
>Randomdragon looking cringey as always at the bottom
>Toady half-answering the Vore question from Rubik
>caretaking not planned to implement for the next three releases
>peddlers will peddle in your fort
>agents will probably be hard as balls to undercover
And much much more!

>>164289582
>$89423.38 in 2016

That... sounds like quite a comfortable sum. For some reason I imagined Toady and Threetoe living like monks in a small apartment or something, but that sounds like quite a tidy amount of money.

Can any americans explain how good this is for America?

>>164290196
>For some reason I imagined Toady and Threetoe living like monks in a small apartment or something
He kinda does.

>>164290290
So it's just the toad, his bro, and scamps?

>>164290439
According to some old news article the only jar of water on his apartment was for scamps. Toady exists solely on soda and fast food.

>>164290787
Oh dear. How old is Toady again? 30s?

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>after 3 days of trying to mod the game shit still don't work
Even with all the bullshit I don't want Masterwork is started to look more and more appealing!

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>>164287872
Oh yeah, that was an experiment to make them more brutal, they're definitely nastier, but that's vault metal, so.

>>164289582
Didn't see it was up.

>Yeah, your "deflection roll" is based on your armor use skill, but in the first calculation your dodge roll counts more and replaces your deflection roll if it is higher. That roll is thrown into an equation with the hit roll to get the "squareness" of the attack from 0 to 20. There's some pure luck at this stage though, and the squareness can sometimes be increased regardless of the rolls.

>
Later, the same deflection roll is used directly with relevant worn items one by one to modify attack momentum using the material/etc. -- dodge rolls don't enter into this. Item familiarity can increase this deflection bonus.

>
In addition to speed, high armor skill also decreases your "clunkiness" with heavy worn objects. The clunkiness sum applies a minus to many skill rolls (mostly combat, but a few non-combat).

Well fuck, just when I am ready to discard my hypothesis...

>>164292002
Derp, fucking copy pasting while I'm reading and fucked that all up.

So yeah, Dodge > Armor, then the squareness shit comes in, item familiarity, and then the clunkiness thing?

>>164290897
>>164290787
old memes
Toady sorta got his shit together some time ago now
He be ok

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vore confirm

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>>164292773
They meant taking bites out of stuff and eating the chunks while still fighting, I assume/hope.

>>164291520
Modding is hard

does this game still use one processor core

>>164294286
Yeah

>>164293408
in the very next reply, he (affirmatively) answered the question about stomach acids (which random-fagon tried to derail)

>>164294286
Yes and it will for all of time because Toady has outright said that he'd prefer to rely on processors becoming more powerful than to learn and recode shit for a year to make it multicore. I mean the few people that have seen the inside guts of DF have said it's like hell on earth with spaghetti code left right and center, poor syntax, and little or no commenting, so I can somewhat understand it.

but plz toady plz we need it some day

If you're dying from FPS death get better ram and a motherboard with a high bus speed instead of a new cpu, ddr4 is cheap as hell and fast as hell, and DF relies mostly on memory and bus speed because of the sheer volume of shit it needs to reference and write.

>>164294286
>>164294380
didn't it use another thread for the graphics?

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>>164294914
yep, pic related is what rubik asked
Some anons said that Toady wouldnt answer vore questions

>>164294916
The problem is that, my motherboard has a FM2+ socket, and I alredy decided that if I buy a new one it's gonna have a 1511 socket. So, going by the logical increments list (I've heard it's good for beginners), the cheapest motherboard there with a 1511 socket and that accepts DDR4 ram is the H111M Pro-D, and it costs 62 euros in my country, the 4GB DDR4 ram costs 35, and I also will have to replace the processor, in the list there's the G3900, that costs 40, but it's better than my current processor, so it's fine. In total right now that's 137 euros, now, maybe the prices in the list aren't the cheapest and I can find the parts for less in another place, but let's use the for this anyway.

As far as I know, you need to reinstall the OS when you change motherboard, and I don't wanna lose my files, I know you can reinstall windows 7 without losing your files, but I've heard that there's still a chance of losing files in the reinstallation process, and my HDD is a bit old, and I don't have another one so I can't backup my files, so I think the best option would be to buy another one, in the logical increments list there's a 1TB HDD for 51 euros, I guess I could buy one with less storage space, in amazon I've found a 500GB one for 42, but the extra space is nice, so I think I can spend some more for the HDD.

The last thing is the case, I don't like my case, in the list, the cheapest case is the GX500, for 55 euros, I've heard it's a pretty good case.

So in total that's 243 euros, if I decide to not change the HDD and the case that's 137.

And I don't even have 137 euros.

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Holy fuark I just got the comfiest embark

>untamed wilds
>giant hippos n shit
>river that waterfalls into a deep
valley
>desert on the edge of the map
>lush forest at the edge of the desert
>iron only a couple z-levels down

I guess I'll post a screenshot later

>>164295923
Well shits tough, man, I used to be in that exact sort of situation. I had an old 2007 or 2008 shitty little dell desktop with 2gbs of ddr2 ram and a 2 core 2.6 ghz processor until just last year, so I know how it feels. Most I can say is try and save money, although I know how annoying that is when you're told that time and time again even though you have no extra money to save, you're barely making it through until payday.

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>kid starves himself from the failed mood at the precise moment another failed mood results in stark rabing madness

Thus the first two dorfs at my fort die .. Not to a siege, not to a monster but to the fragility of dwarven mind ...

>>164296550
A mind can stand only so much man

>>164295923
I'd check pcpartpicker for compatibility, you don't gotta reinstall shit with an OS swap, though dear god, still on windows 7, does it even support DDR4 gen hardware?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dwsfVY

>>164294998
Eh, that's still not so much "dude, can we jerk off to getting eaten" as "dude, will we dry our mouth out if we keep spitting and need to take a drink, will vomit burn your skin since it's stomach acids, etc" I think?

>>164296904
Yeah, you're right
What he says actually sounds like a legit good idea, Im glad Toady confirmed it

A little more biological precision like that stuff would make the game much more realistic
Oh, and objects having chemical properties would be dope as fuck

>>164296904
As far as I know it can.

And I like windows 7, some of the stuff I use don't work well with windows 10.

>>164296904
>Acid and proper fire damage
>Ice being slippery
>oil being slippery
>Salt drying you out
>Nutrient absorption and spending confirmed by Toady

Jesus Christ, the possibilities are endless

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>>164296904
>"dude, can we jerk off to getting eaten"
Of course, that wouldn't hurt, either.

Do you think one day we will be able to modify the appearance of your adventurer?

>>164298910
Without dfhack? Mebbe, never thought we'd get full personality sliders but we did, and Toady said that he was kinda thinking of doing that with features as I recall.

>>164298910
>Being able to shave to appear presentable in the royal dance
>mark yourself with tribal/magical tattooes
>Hair dyes
>Prosthetic body-parts
>Cultural diverse clothes

Its basically guaranteed senpai

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>>164299247
>mfw i read that post

>>164298910
While creating your adventurer, I mean.

>>164294916
Doesn't toady studied digital systems in college? CPUs are becoming more diversified and specialized, not xboxhueg and 2fast4u.

>>164299627
Twas many years ago mate, df itself is 10 years old now.

Is there a syndrome tag to make effect by contact?


>>164299425
Glad to make some anon happy senpai

>>164299247
>Cultural diverse clothes
We already have this.

When the raws say state how common or uncommon something is in an entity, it means the chance for it to appear in a given civ at all.

This means that all civs in the game have a certain combination of clothes, essentially making clothing depend on culture.

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>>164299247
>tfw ability to play a desert fort with tribal dwarfs covered in tatoos, beads, dreads and tribal robes

Muh dick.

>>164290196
>comfortable sum
It is and it isn't. That's an absolutely abysmal wage for a software developer in the Seattle area given the cost of living, particularly when you account for the fact that he's "married" (i.e., threetoe takes some of the money). Even away from the coasts, that's still substandard. I wouldn't work for that.

But then again, he's livin' the dream as his own boss, so you can't really put a price on that. And it is certainly above-average for wages across all industries, although that's not a fair comparison.

>>164296550
>>164296796
But hey, on the bright side - purple spinel!

>>164301752
>I wouldn't work for that
Are you fucking kidding? How much of a snob are you?

I just translated it into my currency, and it's definitly an upper middle class income.

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>>164301501
Yeah, we also got, with the last update, the ability to commision clothes with the civ. symbols and so, but I was thinking in stuff like different type of pants, dresses and so on
>>164301625
Its gonna be completely possible
Things are gonna get so crazy as to pic related, so dwarves not having beards doesnt sound so bad to me

>>164302930
Yes.
>certainly above-average for wages across all industries
>not a fair comparison

It's relative. A software engineer with 10 years of experience? You could ask the same question of a doctor and they'd say the same thing.

Toady's clearly not in it for the money, which is a good thing.

>>164302930
A software developer known to have made one of the most influential and famous games of all time, even having a place in museums, with 10 years of experience, could make far far more than that.

>>164302930
yeah, Im from an european country, and he earns 6 times what a normal person earns

>>164302868
oh, hell yeah

>>164301625
geez anon, you may as well play elves if you want hippies, dont you think?

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Jesus fucking christ..
I have no idea wtf is happening, i have access to every place on the map, i just finished bridges and this piece of shit cancelation spam wont go away ...

>>164303401
>geez anon, you may as well play elves if you want hippies, dont you think?

Noo because i want to play savage tribals with actual iron weapons and unique style.

I'd be more interested in getting back into DF if the last couple of updates and the upcoming one weren't so...boring.

You can make taverns now! Dull in practice.
Mine carts! Generally impractical to set up and use effectively.
Double agents! Not that great since the adventure mode conversation system has become a clunky and cumbersome mess that's torturous to navigate through.
Artifacts! Have fun wading through aforementioned conversation system to maybe hear about how an uninteresting cup was moved from one place to another 20 years ago.

Will we ever have an exciting and game-changing release like the undeath/necromancer one way back when, /dfg/?

>>164304185
ids bretty coole, and tho art stoopid
fuck eff

>>164304185
Within 6 years

>>164304185
the one after this one is he magic and myth arc, so that should be interesting. Here's a vid of toady playing around in a myth prototype https://youtu.be/v8zwPdPvN10?t=9m22s

Though I'd argue that the upcoming update is interesting at least for fortress mode, since you will have disputes from civs wanting your artifacts and can even send out your armies to the world to retrieve artifacts of your own.

>>164304185
All those updates were very exciting, though.

For fortress mode players anyway.

>>164304185
>You can make taverns now! Dull in practice.
i like them

>Mine carts! Generally impractical to set up and use effectively.
maybe if you use them for economic reasons. just fucking around and experimenting with them is fun as fuck.

>Double agents! Not that great since the adventure mode conversation system has become a clunky and cumbersome mess that's torturous to navigate through.
just your opinion.

>Artifacts! Have fun wading through aforementioned conversation system to maybe hear about how an uninteresting cup was moved from one place to another 20 years ago.
also just your opinion.

>>164304185
>dwarves have needs and varied personalities
>they argue and chitchat and dance and tell stories
>dull

>fucking physics yo
>you like shit flying on parabolic trajectories right
>changed qsp setup from complicated hatch/bridge/pit contraptions to a trackstop and a pile
>impractical

>the conversation system is a pain until you get a hang for the hotkeys and shit
>scripts are definitely suggested though (gatherQuests and rumors by some dude over on bay12)
>wars and intrigue and double agents and npc adventuring parties trying to break into your fort
>sending your own parties out to recover shit they steal
>not exciting

>>164304185
The myth generator and magic will be cool.

>>164305624
it is gonna change/affect so much of the game its amazing

>>164304185
You're talking about the night creature release, aren't you? For me, that one was a disappointment, because like half of the promised night creature types never made it in.

The subsequent city release, however, was a great achievement in my eyes. How we went from having those boring little hamlets with some large box for a castle, to having these huge, sprawling settlements with sewers and everything. I used to be a big Discworld fan back then (who can blame me, I was in high school), and for me, the cities resembled the main city in DW a lot.

The parkouring in 0.40 made the cities even cooler to explore, even though some more architectural variety (windows, balconies, second floors, etc) would be great.

>>164306193
Cities would be cool if they didn't kill my fps.

>>164306369
just become undead (vamp or necro) and permasprint. it's not rocket science.

>>164306484
Yeah but that sucks.

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>>164306661
jus lik ur mom ;DDD

>>164307491
Wow rude, I didn't insult anyone.

>checking raws to learn modding
>mfw eggs have elk yolk, white and egshell defined as different materials with different fisical properties
>mfw I have no face

Jesus this game, is he actually autistic

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>>164307551
jus like ur mom 3===D----

When the myth and magic update comes out I'm only gonna make worlds without any magic at all and with only humans.

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>>164303597
Im going to lose my mind ...

Tried everything, stockpiles deletion, labours switching off...

This fucking spam wont go away...

>>164308735
Dump and forbid every item in your fort into a single tile.
a magma tile

>>164307763
Yeah, you can tell in his interviews and panels when he's sitting, dude rocks very noticeably. Still love him though.

>>164309310
Very fucking funny ya faggot.

>4 fucking pages of job cancel spam ..

Jesus Armok Christ.

>>164309460
Yeah, he's just too loveable
If I'm not wrong, he actually confirmed that he was not autistic, apparently a lot of people rock in their chairs

>>164309549
You know you deserve it

>>164309678
He's very cogent, funny, and seemingly calm in all interviews. I wouldn't assign him any disability.

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>>164299247
>Prosthetic body parts
>Boats the size of a fortress
>Magic
>Tfw I know deep down the toadster will deliver

>>164310152
yeah, that's what I said
He performs better at public speeches than I do

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>>164311035

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>>164303040
Damn, was that from an interview or a FotF post?

>>164311527
>FoTF
Nobody expected that comment, but Toady sure knows how to deliver interesting dev. plans

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>>164303040
>you can still build something lasting and positive and make the world a better place
>this doesn't need to be true for the game to work
>he he he

>Lost miner (Idiot fell to water that froze)
>Can't get pick
So i built walls around made of wood.
What's next?

>>164312489
just channel through the ice, and you'll be able to retrieve the pickaxe as well as the corpse.

>>164312489
You wait for picks

>>164312690
>channel through the ice
Channeling requires a pick. The pick is in the ice.

>>164312489
>only having one miner
GG

>>164312286
it seems he has read a lot of lovecraft, his apparent taste for metaphisical horror prooves it
he has a goos taste, Im glad he is in charge of designing the horror in this game

>>164312882
Well, mistake was not preparing for embark.
The ice thawed, how can i get it back from a goddarn aquifer.

>>164313031
You can't, wait for a caravan and buy from it.

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>>164313492
>caravan

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It seems to be needlessly difficult trying to assemble instruments

Some kind of button to say 'make this item and all its components' would be real nice

Hope I'm not missing some obvious button or DFHack command or something

>>164313031
Use pumps. You might need to be a bit creative, depending on the exact circumstances.

>>164283194
This is really sweet.

>>164318012
Well, it's more complicated if you want to use the manager interface. Personally, I only use the new manager options for perpertual orders, like brewing and wood burning. More delicate stuff, like making the few instruments your tavern and temples need, I just do through ordinary workshop jobs.

>>164318420
With instruments I'm inclined to think it's actually easier with the management interface

You can just mash j-m-q, type in the name of the instrument, and get the orders you need. Optionally add the conditions so you don't get cancellation spam

With workshops you'd have to go past 5 different workshops (worst case instrument I've seen), select the instrument component jobs (which has no hotkey), and make sure to remember adding an assemble job at the end

Either way, it could be a lot easier

can an atack deal both edge and blunt damage?
Im thinking about modding some brass knuckles with spikes, but I wanna know first if it is possible

>>164319801
If an attack tries to deal edge damage and fails, it will instead deal blunt.

>>164319801
You have to make two different attack, like so:

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CLAW_SMALL]
[NAME:cat claw:cat claws]
[SIZE:100]
[SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[TWO_HANDED:1000]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:1000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:EDGE:5:1000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1500]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:3]
[ATTACK:BUNT:500:800:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1500]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:3]

>>164320115
yeah, but you cant make an atack deal both damages at the same time right?

Man, that's going into my
''Combat_System_Suggestions'' folder

thanks for writing it

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>>164271279
>mayor's mussel aquarium
Keked hard

>>164320113
explain please
If I slash someone and fail, I just fail

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>>164306193
>used to be a Discworld fan
>implying it's just high school stuff
Nigga, losing Pratchett literally made the world a shittier place which was thus more susceptible to the sort of nonsense that 2016 later oozed, and we should all look forward to a day when we can fuck around on a df world where the residents literally believe it is a disc supported on the back of four elephants riding a turtle through space.

>>164320558
If an attack fails to penetrate as an edged attack the force is converted to blunt damage on the next layer, etc, etc.

>>164320436
I didn't write it, is from masterwork

>>164320852
Counterpoint:
Pratchett was a hack and Discworld is for faggots.

>>164320852
better die now instead of alzheimer growing on you.
its a terrible disease


ah, the ''bruises the fat'' thing, yeah, I know what you mean

>>164320436
>yeah, but you cant make an atack deal both damages at the same time right
Not exactly, but there is a functionally similar equivalent. Edged with low contact area and low penetration depth. It'll deal edged damage to anything it can pierce, and blunt damage to anything else provided you have enough force. Good example include biting attacks and spiked ball traps. They'll tear skin, fat and muscle, but never penetrate internal organs. They can bruise them though.

>>164321458
okay.
I'll be honest, Im actually trying to create a humanoid race that produces and ''store''s alcohol in an internal organ
The objective is dealing punches that have a small needle that infects alcohol in my enemies
This way I can make them atack worse and debilitate them to the point where I can kill them by alcoholic overdose
I had my laughs when I first thought about it

So, the question maybe should be remade
Can this be done?
I was also picturing a more cool thing where I grabbed someone by the throat, raised them up, and started injecting alcohol directly in their bloodstream by the same hand I hold them
Is this possible either? Can I [GRASP] and [ATACK] someone with the same hand?

>>164322002
Hint: scorpions, bees, snakes

What the fuck is it with this guy suddenly proclaiming himself king and making me build stuff for him? And also I have to build him her own Royal Throne Room, a Dining Room, this faggot even wants a mausoleum

The fuck

>>164322564
His own* I can't into english sry

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>>164322564
eliminate the pretender

>>164322301
kuddos

How about the grasp thing? Its so rad in my mind, but I dunno if its possible
I know you cant raise people up, I mean grabbing them and stabbing them with the same hand

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>>164321094
Watch it with all those edges dude, gonna get mistaken for a katana wielding hedgehog or something.

>>164321341
Yeah, still shitty losing Banks and Pratchett the last few years.

>>164323071
>having a different opinion is "edgy"

>>164322002
Yes, you can grapple someone with your left hand and continue punching them with it too since it's not the same as a embedded weapon. You can't bite with a tooth that's currently latched though, since it counts as an embedded weapon.

Also you could just play a rattlesnake man.
They're very similar to what you're trying to do. Their bites latch on every time, but only the initial bite applies venom. You have to bite again if you want to give them another dose, so the strategy consists of biting, making the enemy break the grip, and then biting again until they pass out and suffocate It takes a really long time though.

>>164323658
interesting
Ok, expanding on this
Lets say that the needle I use to inject them breaks and falls to the ground. Can I make it so even a severed needle still inflicts the sysndrome when used as a weapon to stab someone?

>>164323885
I have absolutely no idea.
Try testing it with snakes in arena mode?
Sever a rattlesnake's fang, then pick it up and stab someone else with it. Make sure it's someone else too, rattlesnakes are immune to their own venom, like all syndrome creatures in DF.

>>164322564
Accidents happen Anon, no one will blink an eye if a minecart filled with plump helmets takes him out, as it has to so many other people.

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>>164324207
Well apparently all attacks with misc objects are treated as blunt. Kind of a shame, but makes sense.

>>164304185
>You can make taverns now! Dull in practice.
Are you kidding me?
Dwarves got way more flavor in terms of personality and needs now. This might seem dull on the surface, but it creates a great foundation for future updates.
Taverns, libraries and temples are awesome, a place in which stories get told, people get into arguments and possibly change their values. It might seem like a dumb little extra thingy for fort mode, but they are already important in adv mode right now.

As for artifacts and double agents, if your argument is "it might make things harder to naviage", just fuck off. Not to mention the shit artifacts will get in the myth update

>>164324207
>>164324797
yeah, it doesnt work by itself, I asked if you could make the object considered to have that object
Also, not all misc. are blunt
see arrows

>>164323549
Being angsty and bitchy like that comes across as a teenager trying to stand out and be shocking and/or edgy because you don't have a legitimate argument supporting the claims made there, and don't expect to need one, simply making people go "ooh, what a sharp and unique individual" is sufficient I would think.

>>164325467
Counterpoint:
When you are objectively correct, an appeal to emotion is sufficient to defend your claims.

Why the fuck is [FLIER] so buggy in fortress mode

It used to have literally no effect but at some point Toady must have "fixed" it. Now my dumbass expedition leader keeps flying up into treetops and forgetting how to get back down. It's actually kind of funny but I'm tired of having to send guys out to rescue him

>>164326028
Well then by your own logic, you are a pretentious edgelord faggot asshole. See, I'm objectively correct, therefore I've already made all the argument necessary.

It cuts both ways no matter what. That's why it doesn't actually work at all.

So how does fame actually work? i managed to get lucky and kill a giant then told some elves about how cool i am. But when i went to recruit a third follower he gave me the 'with a band so large' message. Is killing a giant not enough?

>>164324634
Kek, I'm gonna look up how to do this, great idea

>>164326965

Nevermind. I got the guy to join me after telling him about me killing the giant first

>>164322564
If you never set up a hammerer or a jail, you can just let him be miffed with little-to-no negative repercussions.

>>164272986
Draw the mussel greentext story

>>164327107
Not really. You'll just get a new monarch. The fact that some nobody at an outpost got the job means your civ is probably dead, and all the candidates to receive the job are at your fort. But I guess learning how to weaponize minecarts is its own reward.

>>164275218
>normies will never know about df

>>164325241
That likely has to do with the fact that arrows have a defined melee attack, where as something like a rattlesnakes tooth does not.

Is it possible to defeat a dragon without a shield

>>164328629
Anything is possible if you try hard enough, anon.

>>164329397
Well I guess I could kill it before I die from the dragonfire.

>>164328629
A guy here its trying to kill people by intoxicating them with alcohol
I think you can mate

>>164328629
Just throw shields at it until you get a lucky hit. It may take several adventurers though

>>164331375
>Is it possible to defeat a dragon without a shield
>Just throw shields at it until you get a lucky hit
>without a shield
>Just throw shields
Anon I don't think you understand

How can I make bracelets?

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>>164328629
Yes, easily.

One question though, is it asleep?

Otherwise, yeah, but it might hurt a bit.

>>164332350
Is the adventurer mode as open as everyone makes it sound? Like, it seems that if you're talking to someone and suddenly you want to puke on him, get the puke and eat it you can, I haven't really put enough time into it coz it doesn't seem worth it, but damn is it actually this free-willed?

>>164332752
I don't think you can puke on will but yeah there's lots of freedom. The main problem with it so far is the lack of direction and meaningful things to do, most of it is just wandering around and murder-hoboing.

>>164331854
wood crafting?

>>164332752
This >>164332849 pretty much

Destroying entire hamlets to get your weapon skill to legendary can be entertaining.

>>164332849
>>164333247

Am I missing too much if i turn weather and temperature off? It kind of helps with the lag

>>164333797
from my experience, shit will still freeze, but never thaw. it's not worth it. it's game breaking.

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>>164332752
You can eat too much and barf but if you try to eat it you get a "no, that's disgusting" message, but you CAN put it in a mug and give it to someone else or throw it at them if you want.

>>164334540
Kek

It seems really complicated, but maybe it's just me being stupid, is it worth learning to play it?

>>164334795
Adventure mode is easier to learn than fortress mode

>>164335654
Ehhhh, it's easy to get a basic feel for it, but it's harder to see where the "you fucked up and lose now" buttons are, but knowing how both work helps inform how you play the other side.

>Get craving to play dwarf fortress again
>excited to check for updates and see what fun new stuff was added that will spice up gameplay
>remember that Toady is taking priority on aesthetics over gameplay
>remember taverns
>remember worthless temples
Another year of update waiting

How deep are Kobold civilisations. I saw them in legends mode and found the cave so i want to run in and start bullying them

>>164340724
For me it's more
>remember that it runs like shit on your PC

>>164341221
>tfw every single one of my fortress dies to fps death
Someone give me a challenge for the next time I play that doesn't involve sealing my fortress. I want sieges.

>>164277552
WTF is that thing?

>>164340905
Sadly, I don't think they can actually be found in the current version.

>>164340724
You've got a strange idea of what the word aesthetics means.

>>164341501
Aesthetic as in doesn't change the game in any way. Minecarts can be used for fun, pipes can be used for fun, temples cannot be used for fun. It's worthless other then emotions and in the 3 years that I've played Dwarf Fortress never once has anyone in my population had any kind of emotional tantrum even when I was losing forts in the beginning.

>>164341961
>>164341501
I forgot you can also use taverns for target practice whoop de fucking doo.

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>>164341961

>>164342146
>The chubby sacred wing
what's going on in here

>>164342305
Chubby is a descriptor, most people before you learn their name have this. Height, build, facial features are the typical ones, but I have seen "scratchy-voiced". Sacred wing is a generated religious position. Think of it like a priest. Basically a fat priest is punching some dude's shit out.

>play adventure mode
>pick dwarf
>spawn in dwarf settlement
>cant find my way out

every fucking time. I'm about to sound casual as fuck right now, but adventure mode needs a set waypoint+pathfinding feature for these fucking labyrinths .

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>>164342305
Temples tend to get nuts when there are libraries around too.

>>164343904
For a second I thought it was something generated by the temple. So just more dwarf antics with a change of setting. That guy really showed me how fun temples are.

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>>164343973
Head towards the center (if nothing else you should see ! and !!'s from chatter/footsteps) and try to careful move up while traveling.

>>164344221
alright thanks ill remember this

Why do I eventually get bored of this game
I want to have fun with it, I do for the first couple hours but then I'm just in a constant "what can I do now" situation

Is it because I'm not creative?

>>164343973
If the fort has an above-ground entrance, you should be able to get out by going into fast-travel and hitting <.

Not all fortresses have surface entrances. It seems that most do not.

>>164345873
Same here, other games like Mount and blade are the same. They're fun but once you get to a certain point you ask the same question.

>>164326251
You... made your dwarves into fliers?

>>164344063
>ruising the muscle

what the what?

>>164344063
Why does this happen?

I can use vanilla graphics but please tell me there is a way to make everything square instead of rectangle. I wanted to make everything perfectly aligned but 3x3 is always a rectangle instead of a square.

>>164347693
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Tileset_repository

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>>164347197
Oh, was a typo from like 43.03 or so.

>>164347324
Scholars are violent motherfuckers man, you tell Onul that you thought his dissertation on the migration of animals was amateurish, Onul points out how you stole your entire article about how things would have changed if the boots of steel had lost the war in 453 from a paper your niece Mebzuth wrote, BAM, the knives come out... and if they don't have knives, they've got books, and if they can't hold books anymore, they're gonna bite each other to death dammit.

>>164347693
Squarefags are to be pitied, so I'll step down from the elegant peaks of nonsquarelandia and help you out.

Save this in df/data/art, change the lines in df/data/init/init.txt which end* in: FONT:curses_640x300.png] to FONT:curses_24x24.png] and it should do the trick.

*The [FONT:, [FULLFONT:, [GRAPHICS_FONT:, and [GRAPHICS_FULLFONT: lines.

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>>164347860
This is some fancy shit

>>164348516
>scholars are violent
Why would anyone build it in their fortress? Same as prisons. They only bring negatives yea? Sounds fun

>>164348539
A tileset to make the game look like it was made in RPGmaker?

>>164344063
Can a necromancer visit your library in fortress mode?

>>164348956
Research will have payoffs later, dwarves work better with fulfilled needs, many dwarves have needs to learn and think and argue, it's another type of visitor and interaction besides caravans/goblins/beasts to add more flavor to your world, and yes, they are super fucking violent in world-gen sites if there are scholars from a goblin civ present.

>>164349203
Technically yes, but they usually get a bug up their ass to go hang in a tower and talk to their zombies, BUT necromancer books can end up getting brought in by scholars and pow, necrofort.

>>164349203
Yes.
You can also be that necromancer by retiring your fort, making an adventurer, learning necromancy, visiting your fort and then using their writing supplies to write about the secrets of life and death. Leave those books at your fortress, then retire and reclaim the fort and boom free necromancers.

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>>164348516
I didn't know square fags were hated. I can see why now, I'm completely incompetent.

>>164345873
It happens to me
Anons, what goals or anything could I make so I actually have fun?

>>164341501

>Sadly, I don't think they can actually be found in the current version.

Thats a bit shit. i was looking forward to caving in their heads with my mace. I just ended up drowning in the caverns anyways

If starter pack and therapist are out of date, how am I to l2play DF without wanting to pull my eyes out? I have an old version of 0.40.24 though, how worthwhile would it be to get updated version?

>>164346704
You know it's possible to play as non-dwarf civs, right?

>>164350291
eh. therapist isn't really needed, it just speeds things up.

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Oh fuck. Pretty sure I just killed two of their kids last night too, and I nearly died both times.

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>>164350807
Oh my god they had three fucking kids what the hell

I found my way to a place where there's going to be an invasion. But I don't see the invasion? How do I find it?

>>164353620
invasions can't actually happen

>>164353760
What.
But everyone's standing around saying "THERE'S AN ARMY MARCHING HERE" and I have a dialog option to rescue them.

>>164353798
They can't actually happen when the player is around just yet. If you stumble upon the army, they'll just stand around and never do anything.

>>164354028
But I thought the world was meant to be activated ;_;

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>>164285109
>>164285582
>>164288030
>>164318379

Thanks a lot gang! Sorry about the time it took for me to get back on!

>>164286671
Will do.
>>164287671
Here you go!
>>164327437
can you repost it for me, I will plan to draw it?
>>164341501
Beats me, but it seems friendly.

>>164354995
It is, for the most part.

>>164355048
It's great, all your drawings anon.

Could you make a wereshrew getting an axe on its head?
he killed all my puppies

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>>164349693
Hmmm, it didn't save the transparency, this is the only other version I've got atm, GIMP didn't want to play nicely with my compositor but if you have it or ps you can pull up the curses_24x24.png file and select the magenta after adding an alpha layer, then color to alpha so the magenta winds up transparent.

>>164355048
I like it

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>>164355804
Thanks! I will do something for ya.

>>164286671
Got ya covered.

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>>164355804
Here it is.

>>164363138
Thanks!

9dots can you draw me a sea side esoteric fortress.

>>164365081
make another ninedots paraphrase

>>164365354


9dots can you draw me a seaside maniacal, turbare, of microbiological culture?
(thanks!)

>>164365081
>WHAM
captcha: calle bosco

>>164365820
calle's been showing up an awful lot in the legacy captcha

what is google planning?

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>>164366282
>what is google planning
they fingerprint us to data mine our posts
if hiro gave a shit we'd stop using it

>>164366607
I'm pretty sure they don't need to fingerprint us to do that. They already have our IPs, along with our complete search histories.

>>164366835
They don't have my complete search history. I only use Google for reverse image searches.

>>164366908
Well, then they have a complete history of you reverse image searching weird (potentially gorey, depending on which boards you go on) 4chan images, which they can tie to your identity.

>>164366835
for the non-idiots not using chrome or signed into google all the time, fingerprinting closes the gap of tracing their internet foot prints
thanks hiro

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>(Toady One) Happy new year! A Future of the Fortress reply and the 2016 report.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159164.msg7312290#msg7312290
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162110.0

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>>164355394
>>164354995
>>164354028
>>164353798
>>164353760
Dont listen to him, an anon here proved that invasions can and do exist
pic related motherfucker

>>164355048
Im the dragon guy
Didnt think you'd make another work
a thousand thanks
It's the best by far too, so that's nice

>>164363751
Drew, we talked about bearded female dwarfs a couple of times now, you can do better than that

Girl in the center is georgeous btw

>>164369876
its been posted already in the thread senpai

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>>164363751
Thanks drew, that's awesome.

>>164365725
Turbare? Is that like, peat related?

>>164372241
Oooh ooh, totally trying to hog the requests but can you do a dwarven serving lass bumping into a player at a crowded table of kobold dice players?

>>164365081
Kek, this is awesome anon! Keep this up

>>164372185
Sorry, couldn't find it.

bumm

>>164350291
You can use the labor manager of dfhack, it's not the same but it works.

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Daily reminder

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>>164376450
>he doesn't know what a tileset is
>he doesn't know that CP437 is a tileset
>he disses rectangular tilesets
never post in my general again.

>>164376710
I remember when I was in a vault and I fell down because I dodged.

Fucking slade.

the third time i bump the thread from page 10 today

>>164379494
Yeah well what do you want? There are no updates.

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>>164377020
I remember when I was in a spire and everyone else fell down because I dropped it on them.

Define: esoteric
>having a practiced skill at moving yourself and others around a df map with gm-editor despite the existence of teleport scripts and the like

Just struck me that I'm pretty good at stuff like being able to look at the x/y/z of a criminal under a town and be able to drop them within a tile of a coffin with a mummy in it halfway across the screen and multiple z-levels higher or lower, or drop myself into a bit of unrevealed travel map and generally be within a few embark tiles of where I am trying to go by editing the armies[me].x_pos/y_pos directly.

I can't think of where this would ever come in handy elsewhere again.

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>>164381908

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>>164380457
Never forget.

>>164382423
Dwarves can't mine slade

>>164382516
Gobs confirmed for Americans.

>>164382682
dont think so
Gobbos dont need to fake anything to start a war

>>164382423
>Literally an inside job.

>>164382516
They can dig down to hell, tromp over there, and deconstruct it from below.

Dwarf tools can't sap slade keeps.

question for the modders

when defining the growth of a creature with the
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:3000]
[BODY_SIZE:.............]
[BODY_SIZE:.............]

can I use more slots to properly define growth, or can I only use three?

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Stop playing DF.

>>164383936
you can use more.

>>164384453
perfect, can I use them to make people size smaller over time, or does it only go upwards?

>>164384693
I haven't tested it but I assume you could.

>>164384693
I'm not sure, but it can only be increase _or_ decrease, not a combination of both.

>>164384947
Can I make an interaction or syndrome or something to change this species info while I play?
>>164385056
Yeah, but I mean, growing in size until 80 years, and then get a little smaller, that's possible, right?

>>164385197
>Yeah, but I mean, growing in size until 80 years, and then get a little smaller, that's possible, right?
Try it and see what happens. I see no reason to assume it wouldn't work.

>>164385197
It won't. The growth numbers doesn't mean what you think they mean.

>>164386568
So what do they mean anon? What do the numbers mean anon? WHAT DO THEY MEAN ANON.

>>164386568
be more precise

>>164384040
I was just here for the memes anyway.

[HELM:ITEM_HELM_SKULLCAP:FORCED]
What FORCED actually do here?

What would be a good challenge run for my fortress? For once I'm going to try to get all the unecessary industries for keeping your fortress alive like taverns, temples, libraries. I've never used minecarts since wheelbarrows usually get the job done unless I'm missing something. I'll start off with the obvious no egg or farming.
What else should I do?

>>164389464
Animals or siege engine only, only a squad of 5 for backup
Or mercenaries only squads

>>164389464
Only copper and candy weapons if you get down that far.

>>164389408
They mean YOU'RE GONNA LIKE YOUR FUCKING SKULLCAP OR I'M GONNA SKULLFUCK YOU WITH IT!

That civ is always going to be able to make that item, common they probably will, uncommon they might not, rare they almost definitely won't.

>>164389464
No migrants.

>>164389740
>>164389846
>>164389869
I'll do everything except no migrants, that's asking for real life years to get anywhere fun. Where should I embark?
>no farm
>no eggs
>copper/candy only weapons
>only animals/siege weapon for defense

>>164386761
>>164387175
The first and last tell you of the absolute low and high a creatures height while the middle ones are just averages. When a creature spawns it gets a maximum number through a variable and grow until that height which is then fixed and cannot be changed.

>>164390079
All traps must be made exclusively out of clear glass, so that they are invisible.

>>164390437
is this correct?

>>164390079
haunted swamp

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>>164390476
>traps

>>164390575
It's the same system that's used when defining other physical characteristics.
STRENGTH[400:800:1200:1600:2000]
means Strength has an absolute LOW of 400, absolute HIGH of 2000, and the average of 1200.

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>>164390582
I usually embarked near goblin fortresses with huge populations so my embark searching is shit. How would I find something specific like a swamp

>>164390476
Sorry but clear glass is usually clearly visible

>>164390437
>>164390747
If you have evidence that this is accurate, you should update http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token

>>164390773
green ,
>>164390747
median* not average

>>164391129
I meant to say I have no idea what settings would search for swamps so I just went with high rain and median temperature

>>164389464
Only trade with instruments

>>164391076
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#PHYS_ATT_RANGE
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER
It's already there.

>>164391350
Gotcha now how would I find a swamp

>>164390747
what? no its not you dumb fuck
the first of the three variables in each [....]
is the year, the second the day, and the third the size
by putting several [BODY_SIZE:X:X:X]
you can control the 'growth' of the creature

>>164390437
Hold up, this makes no sense. CREATURE:DWARF is set up as follows:

[BODY_SIZE:0:0:3000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:168:15000]
[BODY_SIZE:12:0:60000]

Are you saying a full-grown dwarf could be anywhere from 3k to 60k units in size?

>>164391351
We're not talking about those, we're talking about BODY_SIZE. Which you claim behaves completely differently from the way it's described on the wiki.

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>decide to divert the flow of the river in order to retrieve the 5 children I drowned in it
>successfully divert river
>all my dorfs activate leming mode and run into the new river while getting wood on the other side
>they all drown
>mfw dead children caused me to accidentally drown half my population

>>164391680
Should have just engraved some slabs and put them up next to some statues of fish.

>>164391680
revenge of the dead children, I say.

>>164391680
Better divert that new channel so you can recover the workers' bodies

>>164391680
>mfw dead children caused me to accidentally drown half my population

Maybe in a couple of years, when the myth update kicks in and we have curses, wraths and stuff like that, saying this will mean different

Is there a setting to make last names (but not first names) display in English? I want the unit list to say "Urist Daggerdagger" instead of "Urist Uristurist". Names show up this way in some parts of the game, but not the fortress-mode unit list.

>>164301752
>that's an absolutely abysmal wage for a software developer in the Seattle area given the cost of living
Good thing he doesn't live in the Seattle area then, Seattle is expensive.

>>164289582
>>Are we gonna see Animal Caretaking being implemented anytime soon? I'd like to keep my war beasties healthy so they can participate in more than one fight per life.
>It's not part of the ordered timeline, which runs for the next three releases. Dunno what'll happen exactly.
GOD DAMN IT TOADY

Why are microline and orthoclase hated?

>>164393516
why is adamantine loved?
If you cant answer the question yourself, the answer is objective and rational reasons

>>164289582
>agents will probably be hard as balls to undercover
I hope so, because vampires are a joke.
In either case, I think they all (were/vampire, agents, FB's, undead, necromancers) should be much much more rare. As it stands, with two or three fortresses you have seen everything there is. It would be a lot more interesting when something like a vampire only happened once in 40 fortresses. Something worth talking about.

>>164393516
Their colors with the default color scheme are quite irritating.
And Microcline looks like adamantine, so people mistake the it for Microcline, which leads to a "just microcline", and eventually "not fucking microcline again, god I hate that stupid mineral".