Fighting Games General /fgg/

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Play KI

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>>164190221
I agree

daily reminder jive is for casuals

capcom defense force in full throttle today, on new years eve too lmao

>>164190249
uh... yes? Virtua Fighter is the same way. How many new people did you expect to pick up VF5 after VF4? It's not like it got any easier or appealing to casuals. Still, VF5 is a great game, regardless. On that note, in case you're wondering what killed VF specifically, Koreans were angry that the Korean backdash was removed after VF3 and decided to exclusively play Tekken.

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Play Rashid's game

>>164190354
New Year's Eve and Day are meme holidays

>>164190370
>VF
>hard
holy fuck you could at least pretend like you've played something other than weeaboo trash

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Put Rikuo in MvCI or i start killing hostages!

>>164190191

A game being particularly a pain in the ass to play (within a genre that the mainstream considers a pain in the ass to play to begin with) is an indicator of a bad game.

>>164190427
agreed SFV is the highest point of skill in all of fighting games, how many times do you see a perfect guile combo? that's right

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>>164190291
bat

>>164190427
VF is pretty technical. I'd say it's a hard sell to someone that doesn't want to make it their main game. How many VF tournaments have you won, anon?
>>164190458
So all fighting games should be incredibly casualized to make them good?

>>164190502
It was all good till I saw the flat face. What the fuck

>>164190287
Rash's face is hilarious

>>164184497
>>164185035
>goober literally crying that he can't use his s*ck ass trainingboar setups on every knockdown
>he literally can't understand the concept of a fighting game that has footsies and isn't about brainderp trainingboar grind

can't make this shit up

Mechanical turk on the cheap I see.

>>164190291
>oh, you like futanari? My cock, is it too big....?


Gayyyyyyy

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cummy

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>>164190227
wud chun desu

>>164190539

Nah they just shouldn't be needlessly complicated to the point where it becomes an extreme niche within an already niche genre. Thats how you end up with a dead online mode.

>>164190539
Technical =/= Hard

VF is one of the easiest fighting games to get into. Anyone who has spent LITERALLY more than 10 minutes playing the game knows how insanely easy it is to pick up

Stop pretending like you know anything beyond weeaboo anime shit

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Message to Rashid:

I have your girl.
If you ever want to see her again wire me 250,000 fight money.

>>164190682
>arguing semantics
Stick to these posts >>164190639

>>164190551
Kind of a hard argument to make with Laura the way she is right now or how Mika was last season.

>>164190682
Are you serious? If it were that easy, it would have more players. Like most 3d fighting games, it requires a large amount of frame data knowledge and specific combos for character weights. I'll ask you again. How much VF do you play?

>>164190748
It is not semantics at all. You are lying about a game you never played to try and prop up your argument.

Stick to training mode anime grind a

>>164190798
If you have a PS3, would you like to play some Virtua Fighter 5 with me, then? I'll admit I'm not the best, but I used to play it fairly often.

>>164190661
anime games aren't needlessly complicated though.

people just like to perpetuate the myth that they are for whatever reason.

>>164190798
I'm not even involved in your petty argument friend, you're just acting like a child

>>164190539
>VF is pretty technical
How so?

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Are you playing fighting games to celebrate the new year?

Which fighting games do you plan on getting better at in 2017?

>>164190905

The sales and community activity speak for themselves.

>>164190905
GG is definitely needlessly complicated. It has a whole bunch of mechanics and sub mechanics that add very little to the game

>>164190969
no
none of them

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>>164189507
Oh you meant visually, I can see where you're coming from then. At least the girls faces are pretty.

>>164190905

I like anime fighters but don't pretend they aren't incredibly complicated. I just got done reading a GG "beginner" guide that listed 3 or 4 defensive option selects as fundamentals.

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ANY CAPKEKS HERE?

>>164191071
So? That's hard?

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>>164191105
Who's asking??

>>164191007
If we're talking accent core era GG then yes, it was needlessly complicated with a ton of sub mechanics that only a few characters used/need (slashbacks, jump installs, impossible dusts, etc)

xrd at least trimmed those down or combined a few of them, with stuff like auto jump installs and blitz shield.

overall some more esoteric nonsense like various fuzzy OS's and such still exist, but only for high recognizable situations and you can learn all of them in like 10 minutes at most.

so overall it's not as bad as it used to be.

>>164190914
The same reason 3d is technical in general. Hundreds of moves. Even if most of them don't come up in competitive matches, it's still useful to know the data for said move when it does come up.

The fact that the environment and stage selection heavily comes into play. You have to practice on specific stages to know what setups work well on them and which ones don't. Does the stage have a fence? Is the stage rectangular? You might not be able to complete your go-to combo if you're in a position close to a stage's edge. You can potentially lose a match simply because you didn't factor in your opponent's option to use the terrain to his advantage and get a ringout to win despite being at low health.

And even then, while character mechanics are pretty universal, learning the nuances of those differences between characters can take a long time to really utilize. I mean, look at Vanessa Lewis compared to Akira Yuki. The former requires the knowledge of both stances to be viable while the latter requires knowledge of his commands heavily to be good. e.g,, you can't just mash mindlessly and hope to get a good chain with Akira, much like, say, Angel or Nelson in KoF. Not exactly a great comparison, but it's the best one I can think of in regards to 2d at the moment.

And like I said before about weight, because of characters having different weight classes, you have to practice combos just for characters of that weight, or else you'll end up dropping it if the character is too light or heavy.


Like I said, a lot of this applies to 3d in general, like Tekken, but these are the reasons why I'd say VF is technical and requires a good bit of knowledge to play well.

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>>164191162
THE STRONGEST MEXICAN NAOTO IN EAST JAPAN.

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>>164190969
Yes
Still want to improve in KoF XIV. Watching Juicebox's guides and I've learned a lot. I can beat random BRs on Fightcade in '98 now, a feat I couldn't manage when I started playing KoF in 2012.

>>164191243
How is this more technical than SF? SF has just as much stuff to learn except in different ways

"GG is too hard that's why it's dead" argument makes zero sense. All fighting games are hard.

>>164191071
you can learn how to perform those OS's in a few minutes, and applying them just takes trial and error in learning where they work and where they dont.

eg, you can use fuzzy block to (mostly) negate slayers Under pressure>It's Late okizeme with the low high low fuzzy block variant.
slayers 2k comes out faster that it's late, so unless it's intentionally delayed it'll block both outcomes for you.

easy.

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Is the Hori Hayabusa a meme? It just seems like a looser JLF.

>>164191253
jokes aside is there anyone as good in their main game in /fgg/ as Guymam is in BB?

>>164190983
I mean in terms of sales vs actively anime actually does pretty well. Its just that less sales is going to mean less active members. Not to say they don't stand on their own as individual entries but you really can't tell me SF and MKs high sales aren't at least partially influenced by previous entries.

Guilty Gear just doesn't have the background. Like seriously how many people actually played the original Guilty Gear or GGX? Maybe I just wasn't in the scene back then but it really does seem like Guilty Gear just kind of showed up in GGXX and went from that whereas SF was huge since 2 and MK had a massive controversy which helped it become so popular.

>>164191445
Yeah

>>164191243
But VF doesn't have any more moves than any other fighting game and frame data is no more important than any other fighting game.

Again stage size is literally nothing that is not already in the vast majority of fighting games.

So far you are telling me VF is so bare bones and devoid of anything technical that you have to list universal things that are standard with every fighting game to ever exist

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>>164191445
Guymam is fucking hot garbage at BBCF.

>>164191514
GG has been getting games since the 90s. It has failed to ever broaden its appeal in the last two decades. Your excuse does not work.

>>164191514
stop taking the bait

>>164191627
OG Guilty Gear was hot garbage, and only became a game with actual mechanics and actual fun around the #reload era.

>>164191681
#Reload came out 13 years ago. GG is still as dead as it was back then.

GG is hot garbage, period. Fighting games with little to no footsies are trash and that's why GG has failed to broaden its base.

>>164191801
Is SFV a good game?

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>>164191801

>>164191676
But then I won't get any more (you)s

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(you)'s are back

>>164191405
Stage selection is meaningless in Street Fighter. 3d movement, and the questions that come with it like "is my opponent going to use a move that tracks? What direction will it track? Do I evade away or towards the screen?" only exist with a Z axis in play. Learning movement is also much more important in VF than SF. Sure, you have to learn things to play Street Fighter, but most of its systems are pretty basic in comparison to many other fighting games. The hardest thing to learn in SF execution wise is link timing.
>>164191545
What? On average, a VF character has 70+ moves and 2 or 3 options from their temporary stances. The frame data issue is that characters have so many more moves than other games, you need to memorize even more frame data. Not to mention that basically every character is viable, so you're likely to see potentially every character even in serious play. Are you only counting normals?

In most 2d fighting games, the only stage management is knowing how close you are to the corner, which is generally the same distance on every stage. It varies heavily in VF. Some stages are 10x10, some are 6x16, et cetera. More importantly, whether or not the corner has a fence is also very important in Virtua Fighter. If a stage has a fence, many characters have more movement options such as wall runs or throws that push the opponent against the wall. If the stage has no fence, you have the potential option of triggering a ring out and instantly ending the round. Some stages have half fences where it is possible to both use the fence for movement and to knock the opponent out. Many characters are either much better or much worse depending on the stage you're on. Character with lots of easy pushback pressure like Taka? Great on fenceless stages because he can easily knock the opponent out of the ring. Character with a wall jump or powerful throw that requires a fence like Vanessa Lewis? Good on closed in stages.

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KoF 14 will come out on PC eventually, right?

Right?

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>>164191909
you lying

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>>164191105
Don't start what you can't finish goober

>>164192190
Give it a few years. I think it would have come out on PC faster if China didn't un-ban consoles.

>>164191627
But it has broadened it's appeal in the last two decades. Xrd has outsold GGXX so far.

>>164190716
are you a mugger?

>>164192250
>Xrd has outsold GGXX so far.
Source?

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>>164191909
Why were they even taken away?

Actual fighting game discussion on /fgg/? Holy shit, it's a new years miracle!

2d fighting games truly are... 1 dimensional

I havent played SFV since Urien came out and I tried him and had fun until I got bored again. Whats the verdict on the season 2 changes? Specifically for Laura and Mika? Can I finally play Mika without being a braindead coinflipper? Or did they just take away the wallbounce and give her nothing in return

>>164192417
Both Laura and Mika are braindead coinflippers, typical for grapplers. Laura is just better than Mika this time around.

>>164192417
Mika is shit now, but I'm still playing her because I'm too lazy to learn anyone else.

>>164190291
>morrigan
>slut

>>164190502
Wings.

>>164192501
>Mika is shit now
>Du just beat the best Cammy in the world with Mika

>>164192068
Ryu in SF4 has about 70 moves, they are many characters with more moves than him in that game and SF4 has less moves than many of the older 2D games.

characters in virtua DO NOT have more moves than characters from other games, stop trying to claim they do.

VF also has less characters than the vast majority of 2D fighting games and even other 3D fighting games.

again the best you can come up with is staples from the genre that are standard across EVERY fighting game.

>>164192528
What do you think a succubus does?
>>164192541
That's Du, he could win with any character. Bruce Lee could kill Chuck Norris with a fork, but that doesn't make it a viable weapon. He would still have to put in a considerable amount of work to do it, and someone on a lower level would have an even harder time of doing that.

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>>164192208
Magnificent, isn't it.

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>one button dp which catches crossups
>multihit projectiles both fast and slow
>insane pressure with plus on almost every move
>built in mixups and crossups
>parry which counter EVERYTHING with very short recovery
>best projectile super in the game
>insane damage
>unlockable move
>dive moves
>throw invuil on a lot of stance moves
Is Leo the cheapest fighting game character ever? He litreally have everything.

>>164192615
Plays video games if her tvc ending is anything to go by.

>>164192417
>Specifically for Laura and Mika? Can I finally play Mika without being a braindead coinflipper?

lol how about don't pick a 50/50 character then

>>164192684
>buy no-footsies kusoge
>complains when it turns out to be kusoge

>>164192684
>flash kick
>sonic boom
>good overhead
>meme pressure that only noobs get killed by or characters without reversals
he's just a noob killer 2bh

>>164192854
Tomo owning Mikado right fucking now with Leo.

>>164192684
just learn to ib or throw him in the middle of his pressure desu

he's not the good.

>>164192884
yeah because he's played leo exclusively since his release
leo isn't a bad character but he's not top tier by any stretch

>>164192684
he's gay af until you learn the matchup, and that's when most Leos fall apart

>>164192684
I can honestly deal with all of his shit except the counter. The counter is just the worst that fucks me everytime.

>>164192585
70? Counting absolutely everything, SFIV Ryu has only 42 moves, last time I checked. 24 normals, 12 specials, a super combo, 2 ultras, 2 command normals, and a focus attack.

If we're talking about old fighting games, plenty of them have completely unviable characters that never see tournament play, e.g. Marvel vs Capcom 2. You will actually see every VF character in a tournament. When's the last time you've seen anyone use MvC2 Tron Bonne or 3s Hugo seriously? I don't even remember USFIV Hugo seeing that much play, for that matter.

What other 3d fighting games feature ringouts as an important besides Soul Calibur?

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Post good matches from obscure fighting games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOxne4_55P8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rir4YJ9RC4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuJ4LxKdKRE

>>164192489
If you try to play braindead as Laura, you'll get nowhere.

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twitch.
tv/joniosan
GGXRDR FT10 Roud Robin


twitch.
tv/shudy_yoshel
Tekken 7 FR 3on3 Megane Grandprix

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>>164191105
Come at me

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see you in UNIst in 2017

>VF match request gets ignored
>people would argue about mechanics than play games

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>>164193074

>>164192684
lmao

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I want Kilgore to come out already. This spinning gun shit is great.

>>164193081
Faust and Bedman both have those weird collision boxes that make me fail to judge the correct grab range.

>>164193161
what does that even mean

>>164193272
setplay target combos

>>164193161
Nah MKX is fun. SFV is the very dumbed down kindergarden version of mkx.

>>164193161
whos the alien then?

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>>164193161
Does that mean MKX is 44 unga characters in one game?

>>164193224
Does Kilgore have projectile normals or something?

>>164193074
Well, one could say you'll get nowhere if you play "braindead" with any character, but the truth is, as a grappler, Laura is about random command throws and rushdown mix-ups. All you need is to wait an opportunity and then coinflip.

>>164192684
Makes me wonder who really is the cheapest fighting game character ever. Leo is dumb but I'm sure he's nowhere near the cheapest of all time.

>>164193127
lol ;_;

>>164193081
Gonna watch some Tekken 7. Thanks!

>>164193351
ivan ooze
or some mugen thing like dark donald

>>164193041
Kinu Nishimura is the fucking greatest.

>>164193338
Pretty sure he is talking about the pressure game which is fine for mkx but just does not work for sfv.

>>164193161
Who?

>>164193343
That doesn't make her braindead. I've played Necalli, Ryu, Cammy and Laura and Laura required, by far, the most amount of work to get stuff done. Not just in-game, but also practicing setups, resets, etc. If people can't be bothered to practice how to avoid those setups, they deserve to die. Laura is very similar to S1 and see how much she got done? She won the very first CPT and then faded into obscurity.

>>164193351
Shin Rashid

>>164193497
What tier player are you?

>>164193497
CDjr

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I just noticed that I don't have a problem with Sols furtrigger anymore for quite a while. Now it 90% of the time blows up the user because they keep trying to force unsafe mixups which I can punish and even get trades in the special neutral.
>>164193428
My pleasure.

>that GG match just now on the joniosan stream
lmao might as well just give the game a Menu with "Attack" "Defend"

Zero footsies just braindead turn based fighting

>>164193497
And randomness is exactly what makes a character "braindead" aside of simplicity, with every character the player needs to learn setups and resets, that does not change the core essence of the character which is random bullshit and pre-learnt rushdown that allows the player to leave his brain elsewhere.

>>164193883
Still going at it?

>just played a Leo who didn't dp once in 3 matches
thats crazy

>>164193883
Calm down, Peter.

>>164194015
who?

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>>164193946
>>164194015

>little bit of banter and the goobers instantly get sick of it

This is what SF players here 500 times a day

>>164193883
b-b-but the defense options!!

>>164194040
That's not even banter. You're just repeating what you said earlier. Come on, now. At least try to say something funny.

>>164193883
>Zero footsies just braindead turn based fighting
Literally SFV

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something weird happened when i was playing earlier

i did a jab yoga fire and the opponent jumped at me. I did a cr.mp to anti-air (even though the yoga fire was going to hit anyway) but they both hit

the weird part was that the combo counter didnt show 2hits so i can only assume the cr.mp and fireball hit on the exact same frame and the game got a bit confused

>>164193889
How's that any different than Akuma throw loops in the corner, Guile's spin-kick/throw and a long list?

Again, if you leave your brain elsewhere, you'll fail because then you won't be adapting to the opponent actually knowing how to tech and neutral jump into full punish.

Look at how many people fail to tech, see the bolt inc, Laura doing dash into overhead and still fail to block in the proper direction. Who exactly left their brain elsewhere?

>>164194090
>At least try to say something funny.

i cant post the average goober's savings balance

>>164194152
im phoning the police

>>164194201
You really need to learn to differentiate a braindead player from a braindead character. Yes, coinflipping happens all the time, but not every character's gameplay revolves around it equally. In your example, Akuma resorts to coinflipping, but Akuma's arsenal and character design in general do not revolve around coinflipping.

But seriously, differentiate a braindead player from a braindead character because that's where your examples stem from.

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Mommy chunners is THICC

>>164193338
Yeah Kilgore's Heavy punch and a direction does a different chain gun attack.

>>164194487
if there's one thing SFV got right it's the thicc

>>164194487
We need C.Mommy

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You know what? Let's look at the ArcSys games right now, aight. What we got? You got Super Guilty Brothers. Aight. Don't even gimme dat shit, aight. Guilty Brothers., who you got? You got May, you got Chipp, you got dat nigga Potemkin. Guilty Gear., nigga, fuck dat shit, aight. There ain't one brother in there, ain't one Gear aight. You got you got your Mexican nigga Zato, you got your white bitch I-no, aight, got your asian bitch Anji, aight. You ain't got one brother in there, one not one. Aight that shit was developed by Capcom, aight, Guilty Gear Brothers. be gettin' like Balrog, Birdie, Dudley, Elena, aight, Dee Jay. Super Guilty Gear Brothers. nigga that shit be ballin' as shit if it made by Capcom. FADC Brothers. aight where you get all them niggas and you fight each other, you fight.

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>shit at fighters
>get SFV on the 20th
>play a bunch online
>get shat on
>play some more
>perform like garage
>play more
>get fucked up
>play more
>lose every game

How the fuck am I supposed to get better at these when all I do is get stomped

>>164194221
The SF player is even poorer, what are you on about? SF is especially popular because it was available as a poverty game in the 90s. The entry barrier with 2 quarters and a walk to the arcade.

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poison when?

>>164194687
Idk what to tell u lol I was fuckin people up with Ryu on SF2HF back in 2006 and that was th first FG I played seriously

Maybe you just don't have the gene

>>164194687
Keep analysing what does not work, what does work and slowly you will improve. Try to find a player who is slightly above your level, but who does not completely crush you in battle lounge (or here).

What does fgg stand for

>>164194768
fuck guilty goobers

>>164194487
4 did it better with chun's alpha outfit.

>>164194687
anti air

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>>164194768
faggots gnashing greatly
Most people here are all talk and have never even been to a local, let alone a major. Why do you think so many people here make fun of players of other games? They'd quickly realize that the people playing their favorite games aren't as cool as their epic 4chan anonymity would lead them to believe and that the players are just as autistic if they went to one or two events. Hell, that's why I love Marvel. Autistic niggas dropping memes all day, to the point that it doesn't even phase me anymore. Of course, I thought sniffposting made it obvious that even Capcom games attract weirdos.

>>164194730
After morrigan and akira.

im gay and i love sfxt

>>164194889
that's just not true

>>164194687
If possible analyse what you seem to be doing wrong (or right) or try to get someone to coach you.

>>164194921
I'm praying for the latter, but how would she fit such a massive donger in such short shorts?

>>164194687
>>shit at fighters
>>get SF
Why do newfags keep doing this?

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>>164194974
>morrigan
What? Not gonna happen

can you link anything after fmk on ibuki? i dont get the point of an overhead mixup if you cant get anything off it except the one normal hit?

>>164195150
yes you can

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>>164195051
It was given to me.

>>164195025
Between her ass cheecks and flex then gluten tight to prevent slippage

>>164194687
Did you read any guides? They will improve your results greatly if you haven't.
>>164195051
It's the easiest one for newcomers. Lots of low level players active and the least amount of mechanics to learn. Would you honestly suggest something with the resource management or execution requirements of KoF or BlazBlue to a person that has never played a fighting game before?

*sniff*

>>164194974
my nigga please tell me you're hype for umvc3 on steam with probably a shit netcode

>>164195169
i couldnt find any, how can i tell if a normal is linkable?

>>164195175
Same, I considered refunding it and telling the person who got me it to get themselves something nice.

Couldn't get a refund. Might be able to now though.

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>>164195193
That sounds a bit painful, but that would explain her slow, sexy gait. Do you think she sticks the tip in her anus to anchor it?

>>164193161
they do have pretty stupid strings with varying hit levels that can lead to confirms and damage

>>164195302
set training dummy to block after first attack and try shit out
watch youtube

>>164195175
Aww that is a shame. But that friend who gifted you actually plays the game with you, right? He does not just drop you into ranked, right?

before Tekken 7 what do I buy , Tekken 6 or TTT2? doesn't the tag system change the game too much?

>>164195465
>But that friend who gifted you actually plays the game with you, right?
I've been interested in getting into fighters for a while, and the guy knew that. He didn't play them. He just got it for me.
Every friend I ask just replies with "lol I suck at fighters though no thanks".
I just wanna get good at them.

>>164195194
Yes I would suggest other games since they are way more fun and ease new players into the game+genre with all sorts of content and tutorials.
SFV just like SF4 is a bad first fighting game. Having to go out of the game to start learn basics is not good game design and is really just work when you should have fun.

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>>164194730
>>164194921
>>164195025
>>164195193
>>164195335
Capcom players, ladies and germs!
>inb4 no true Scotsman bullshit to disown them and distance yourselves from your brothers


>>164195470
TTT2 still has the most active online. Tagging changes the game a bit, yes, but the basics are still the same. For what it's worth, you can play TTT2 with one character anyway. If you're looking to get ready in time for T7, though, I'd suggest putting most if not all of your fighting game time into it to learn the movement and such, assuming you haven't played much Tekken in the past.

>>164195518
>Yes I would suggest other games
Such as?

>>164195513
Man you need to find a friend to play with or the genre will be hell.

>>164195098
I think it will eventually.

>>164195235
I'm excited for it on pc because even if the netcode is shit it will probably have 4k and mod support.

>>164195556
>tekken goober acting like there are not gay furries and grab only lobbies in tekken
Are you stupid?

>>164195579
SFV is honestly the most casual fighting game yet to exist aside of SF2. Do not listen to him, he is trying to make you buy anime fighters with ten players.

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>>164195598
gwenpool mod day 1 main

Will my connection be shit if my brother is watching Netflix? He's been watching some series all day and there's nothing I can do about it but I really want to play some matches.

>>164195632
You should consider playing games instead of shitposting.

>>164195579
Skullgirls has the best tutorial of any fighting game I've played by far. It doesn't just explain the system mechanics. It explains when to do things and why as well.
>>164195518
Fair enough. I forgot that most people won't want to look up guides and probably don't have friends to help them.

>>164195632
>SF2
>casual
>no tutorial
>combos are exploits that require fuckery to pull off
>dead in 5 hits from wicked fast ass fuck combos
>asian tournament scene was built around Super Turbo

>>164194958

>sniff posters
>capcom


That's almost all guilty gear and other weeb game cunts that bored since they don't play games.

>>164195736
>Skullgirls has the best tutorial of any fighting game I've played by far
It explains it systems and presents them in a very accessible and easy to understand way.

The issue is that it's input-heavy, combo intensive nature puts off a lot of people new to fighting games by right of inexperience with said systems.
I wouldn't recommend Skullgirls for the same reason I wouldn't recommend Marvel.

>>164195194
I'd tell them to play Persona

>>164195821
Ya sure homo after posting this which will def get that ass banned.
>>164195805

>>164195805
How can anyone be so delusional to think liking traps is not gay

>>164195726
SFV lacks tutorials but mechanics-wise it is undebatably the most beginner-friendly fighter today. Unlike (most) other fighters, it also has other beginners so you have equal people to play with.

This is not a shitpost, but a fact.

>>164195616
I only have seen like 2 guys that consistently make Tekken Ryona, and one of them does it for all 3d games.

>>164195863
i think it's more of a meme but the ones who really do think it's not gay are just in denial

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i like how it took less than a week for capcoms ragequit icon system to completely break

>>164195881
That's because tekken is a dead game.

>>164194474
Laura can't bulldoze her way in, you need to play smart to have chances. That alone disqualifies her as "braindead".

>>164195867
>but mechanics-wise it is undebatably the most beginner-friendly fighter today
3D fighters are easier.
>it also has other beginners so you have equal people to play with.
Except you will just form the worst habbits if you play shit people in ranked and "get better" by copying them.

>>164195518
More fun alone, maybe, but games that are a massive uphill battle to learn because of the mechanics, and with only the most dedicated players playing them are a hard sell to beginners. I have fun beating Mexicans in KoF 98 on fightcade and enjoy losing to people in Vampire Savior, but that's a hard sell to someone new, especially since these games only have the super dedicated pro types left playing them, for the most part.

>>164195938
They literally removed it the day after.

>>164195616
>in 2017 I'll be able to drop SFV entirely and main T7 and MvCI
Next year is going to be an amazing year, friends.

>>164195861

I said "almost", plus still the grand majority of NSFW images and autistic sniff posts are related to gg or other dead stuff like "cummy" blasters.

>>164196019

they didnt remove it, they just reset it after the first day because people were getting the ragequit icon from server fuckups

>>164195829
I was talking purely about the tutorial. Yeah, the game itself is hard to play, but if you want a fighting game that explains the basics of 2d in its tutorial, pirate Skullgirls just for that.
>>164195669
yes

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>>164195938

>>164195989
Let me rephrase, it also has other beginners of slightly above your level against who to play and learn from until you find new masters.

3D fighters are the only ones that might rival SFV in simplicity, in that sense I respect your opinion.

>>164195821
And it's still a higher amount of Capcom people since there are more of them anyway.
>>164196064
If we're talking about OP images, maybe, but I consistently see idiots talking about Chun Li and Makoto being their waifus. I recall plenty of excited posts about the SF swimsuit special. Don't pretend that a large amount of the autism doesn't involve your community.
>>164195950
>dead
>still televised in Korea
If you idiots gave 3d a chance, Tekken 7 would save fighting games in the west. I'm sure it will sell well, but most of you casuals will drop it after a week.

>>164196064
There have been 50 images posted in this thread so far. How many of them are non-Capcom sniffs?

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Reminder to support our boy!
He is becoming a pro streamer!

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Why Tekken is so trash now? I always liked 3D fighters because there's no 2D bullshit like health scaling, meters, super attacks and all that shit. 5DR was such a great game. But now there's all kind of shit, rage mode, some gay super attacks with slowdowns and even fucking Akuma. FUCK this shit.

>>164196284
Play Virtua Fighter. Even Dead or Alive has less tacked on mechanics than Tekken now, power blows notwithstanding.

>>164196284
It's not that bad. Rage has been around since tag 1. Yeah it hurt like a bitch but it was more of a reason to take advantage of the fact that your opponent would open themselves up more trying to use it.

Tekken is still fine. Just needs more Anna.

>>164196251
We don't even know if T7 has good netcode

>>164196380
>power blow
>power launcher
>Main ninjas of 2 still the gods which is why they give all of them away for free.

>All that dlc and stigma from the greedy pot fixing of the past.

Doa is barely recovering. Not only is it known as softcore porn fighter, but it also has that awful history from the tournament fiascos.

Lets not even talk about the pc ports and the fact that the versions of the game don't at all sync up

>>164196438
SFV surely doesn't and it still was successful. Hell, MKX has awful netcode and still sold great. What is with this huge concern with netcode anyway? Do you people not have friends? I thought people on /fgg/ claimed to be pros and had scenes to practice with.

>>164196284
Play doa5lr.

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>>164196484
>softcore porn fighter
>best player is a gay furry

>>164196538
>and it still was successful
By what metric.

>>164196484
Isn't Christie the best now? Also, what's this about potfixing? I know about it occurring in GG, but when did it occur in DoA? Aren't there only a few DLC characters with the rest of that shit being costumes?

>>164195987
You still don't understand what the word means. Any character requires some kind of mental activities, but that is not what is at dispute. Getting close is something that should be given, not a sign of intelligence.

>>164195938
Who cares, you'll play the game anyway.

>>164196251
I don't want to give tekken a chance after reading your posts.

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>>164196380
>Play Virtua Fighter
I wish it wasn't dead.

>>164196607
4000 people at evo

>>164196538
Bruh, capcom has been putting this game on sale for months now. The season passes have all costed more than the entire game for well over 6 months now. They have literally been begging people to help them sell this game by handing out tons and tons of coupons that stack with the store price.

Over 3 official apology notices. I might love street fighter but I know when things are bad.

>>164196676
How does that prove it was successful though?

>>164195989
If you can't KBD you are not playing Tekken.

>>164196634
Top tier is christie, gen fu, helena, lei fang and rig.

>>164196607
Well, /fgg/ calls every other game "dead" for one reason or another, and it still has a good amount of tournament entrants. Sales wise, though, yeah, it's fucked.
>>164196685
How did they afford to give out the Capcom Cup prizepool when being in such dire financial straights?

>>164196634
There were several podcasts about the doa scene constantly having bracket and player fixing on big money tournaments.
>>164196743
It's called espn

Whether SFV is successful we'll have to see in 1-2 years. Season 2 brought nothing new except balance changes. Let's see if it bleeds players during the year.

>>164196743
In the grand scheme of things everything is dead because we don't play MOBAs or Starcraft. Still though it's hard to draw the line for how many people entered because SFV or how many people entered because the scene is just that big now.

>>164196651
>being such a crybaby you refuse to play a great game because you got your feelings hurt on 4chan
Isn't this why you people make fun of GG players?

>>164196713
It is a 'success' within this very small minority circle of fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDav-JfidL0

what the fuck i love iustice 2 now

>>164196826
That's exactly why I find the deadposting hilarious. I can find a Dota or Overwatch match in 10 seconds, both of which require at least 9 other people, but high quality SFV matches take at least 2 minutes.

Also, I think Starcraft is kind of dead now since Korea stopped caring as much.

>>164196842
By being the worst selling SF game? Also there are a lot of detractors of the game who still play competitively because of the payouts. Even diehard fanboys are criticizing the game and how it has been handled. I'm not sure how you're gauging that success.

>>164196883
>sony channel
kys

>>164196984
I kinda wish they would stop working on sfv after season 2 and do a x tekken rerelease with some more bug fixing and make gems be fixed.

>>164196984
Didn't SFIII sell worse than V? I thought that was why they kept the franchise dormant for 10 years.

>>164196954
Korea went back to scbw and wc3 after blizzard stopped forcing sc2 with money.

>>164196834
I don't know if it's a great game but your inferiority complex and shitting on sf to get my attention is a redflag, just like guilty gear.

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>lets give a character shittons of options and balance him by making him drop like a fucking fly when he gets touched once

just be tough playing akuma in a game where everyone has piss easy high damage combos

>>164197117
You're probably right, but that would be the only one that sold worse. Not exactly a strong showing either way.

>>164197202
The point of akuma was he had all the options mostly but no hp.

In this game the options are basically to dash and mash while having the most hp or chip.

>>164197249
Original 3 was just as ass as sf5. Which is why the need to just skip to season 3

>>164197150
I'm shitting on the players, not the game. Did I mention any particular disdain for its mechanics instead of something about guys being in love with Poison's dick? Pretty sure even other SF players don't like those guys.

>>164196538
>SFV surely doesn't
Every single top player, even the ones who didn't play Ultra online because they didn't find the netcode good enough, plays SFV online.

They play it every single day. so the netcode is pretty good.

Fang's chip damage is ridiculous he should not have big damage combos.

>>164197318
>pros put up with the game they're paid to play to get more matches with good players
News at eleven. I've gotten plenty of disconnects and bad connections with players that were no more than 2 or 3 states away from me.

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>>164197421
>complaining about FANG

>>164196984
Since you're finally in the thread, I've been meaning to ask you. Do you ever play KoF on fightcade?

>>164197520
The last time I tried to play Fightcade it didn't work and I couldn't fix it so I haven't used it in a while.

>it's a cammy player presses stand lp which is +2 on block then walks forward a little and presses stand mp which is +3 on block and then walks forward a little a presses crouch mp which is +1 on block then walks forward a little and presses crouch lp which is +2 on block then walks forward a little and presses stand lk which is +1 on block then throws me episode

>>164197630
were you playing dhalsim?

>>164197202
Please don't play urien
>>164197287
Fair enough I'm not going to defend people like that

>>164197446
Well I don't really care about your opinion. It is a fact that all the top players, even the ones who don't win anything, play online constantly. Therefore, the netcode is good enough.

>>164197756
>Please don't play urien

but he's fun :( i wanna play him as a secondary

>>164197501
I'm not I'm just saying there is a eason he doesn't shit out damage via combos.

>altaccz triggering /fgg/ yet again

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Play Cyberbots

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>>164197630
Just v-reversal lol

Why does alcatraz whine about SFV and then play it all the time?

>>164197564
holy shit man that was over a year ago

i remember you asking in here a bunch for a fix

lmao

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Anyone up for vsav?
other FC and melty is fine too.

>>164197564
whats the problem

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>Fumo ocv'd an entire team of strong players with Elphelt

>>164196984

By being better selling than every other new figthing game other than probably tekken later next year and having more player retention than all of them combined.

Why is street fighter 5 so bad?
Why does everyone hate it?
Give me a bunch of reasons

>>164198081
mkx shitted on sfv

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>>164197943
Stockholm syndrome

>>164198081
>pokken
>mkx
>smash 4
>nurruropiecez

>>164198024
What's your name? I'll be in the Vsav room.

>>164198207

>>164197961
I asked the dude who fucking runs Fightcade and not even he could tell me how to fix it.

>>164198058
I legitimately don't know. Someone told me it MIGHT be something like some random program is running on the same ports when Fightcade is working but I haven't been able to find what program that might be.

>>164198141
>>164198165

You got me with mkx which I completely forgot due to its irrelevancy despite its success, but the rest of those arent fighting games.

>>164198143
those games have delay based etcode with less players than sfv

>dude! gog to the discord and fin matches!


fuck you I have beter things to do with my time like fapping

rollback netcode is necessar for any fighting game even if it's half assed in sfv's case

>>164197943
It's okay to enjoy a game and still talk about its flaws you know? No game is perfect.

>>164198081
And it also spent way more on its advertising budget than a lot of those games. After paying to be on EPSN twice, do you realize how much the game will have to sell to recoup those losses? Meanwhile, a game like Nitroplus or whatever had no ads and can make its budget back from like 2000 sales.

>>164198284

Sony payed for all that shit, Capcom is sitting pretty son.

>>164198270
That's true I tried usfiv again when sfv was down for the update and holy shit I hate delay netcode, there is no way I can play a game with links on delay.

>>164198284
Sony did all that my dude lol

That's why Capcom can afford to support the game up to 2020 and then they'll announce SF6

Don't be jelly :')

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>>164198284
You're talking out of your ass since you have no numbers, it was espn2 and they're trying esports stuff so there is no way they're making them pay a lot of money for experimental stuff when they have female soccer and garbage like that on espn2.

>>164198143
>KOF14
Same garbage gameplay from 1995. Shit netcode.

>Xrd
No footsies, garbage netcode.

Next

I am
>new to fighting games
>don't understand the fg lingo
>can't pull off any combos
>wanting to know what's the best fighting game I should start with so I can get better at fighting game's as a whole

You don't know shit about fighting games if you can not do dab combos with Pot.

>>164198253
are you getting any error msg or something or it just doesnt connect with the player

>>164198546
SFV

It is very beginner friendly, a good game
And the most active fighter on the market

>>164197868
You are not supposed to have fun, you are supposed to pick zangief and complain how bad he is.

>>164198546
KI
Guilty gear Xrd R
Smash 4
Pokken

Who is the ronda rousey of fighting games?

>>164198097
Shitty neutral based on shitty castrated normals.
Shitty combos similar to sf4 but even worse in lacking variety while being simplified to oblivion.
Shitty oki with shimmy being ridiculously abused tech to the point of capcom having to increase knockback on throws (which didn't help though). Yeah right it's so much better than "vortex" all the scrubs were whining about (no it's not).
Shitty character models, especially faces which doesn't promote any waifu-driven playing motivation.
Shitty blurry graphics.
Shitty netcode.
Well basically every part that you could break fighting game into is shit in SF5 which leads to the game being utter garbage.

Why don't Capcom just copy Koihime Enbu but switch the models?

I find it weird that "people criticize the game in legit/semi-legit ways" means a game is bad.

Of course pros criticize and want to fix the flaws of the game they sink all their time into. Acknowledging flaws doesn't make something worthless. You guys are way too "all or nothing" about this shit.

>>164198546
Street fighter V, it's quite basic and then you can try more complex games.

>>164198546
Just pick whatever looks fun to you, as long as you aren't afraid of asking questions you should have no problem learning any game.

>>164198270
MKX and KI have good rollback and it's easy to find players

If you're going to disqualify everything with "less players than SFV" then you might as well write off the entire genre and buy a Nickleback CD and move to Canada

>>164198614
>a good game
Why do you keep telling blatant lies like you are a trumpshill?

>>164198712
??

i would suggest those game to someone looking to play something other than sfv with a somewaht active fanbase

if they want to play anime kusoge i would tell the mb or sg

after that all you ahve is fc for a good onlie exp

>>164198665
If they were serious and not giant sellouts then they would play other games that offer what they want. But they are sellouts and faboys. All they will play is esports pottery.
I miss seeing guys like xian and tokido in multiple games at every tourney.

>>164198781

Or maybe nothing is perfect. And every pro player wants something a little different. No game is gonna be perfect bro. And certainly no game will be perfect for everyone.

>>164198636
post 30sec of yourself playing any of those

>>164198781
>this streambaboon mad because e-celebs don't play his dead kusoge

>>164198665
It means it's bad in comparison to the competition.
People get vocal when a shit product is the king of the hill, no matter how small the hill is, in a capitalist society.

>>164198546
DOA5LR.

>>164198546
look at these games:
street fighter 5
guilty gear rev
king of fighters 14
ultimate marvel vs capcom 3
killer instinct
mortal kombat xl

then watch some videos on yt and pick the game you like the most.

>>164198614
Having the most players doesn't really mean much unless you're going to locals (in which case you'd just learn whatever they play) and especially not in SFV's case because the matchmaking is fucking trash so even if it has more players than MKX you'll find a good match faster in MKX than SFV because MKX has good matchmaking.


>>164198780
>a good onlie exp

Which SFV doesn't have, it has awful fucked up rollback netcode which is worse than decent delay netcode. The matchmaking is bad and lobbies are still busted

Just having the most players doesn't mean anything if the infrastructure is trash.

>>164198857
>It means it's bad in comparison to the competition.
It's not, it's just that it had a shitty launch and some people are stuck in sfv's launch days because they didn't update the game.

What were they thinking when they decided they wanted this game to have stubby normals?

>>164198662
footsies isn't esports

>>164198941

"I want this game to have stubby normals"

>>164198941
>waah i want to mash normals all day and not think about my positioning
learn footsies

>>164198781
they were always sellouts lmao

you think tokido liked playing BB and Tekken with Americans? he just entered because it was literally free money for him

>>164191420
No it's widely regarded as better than the JLF stick. But the Hayabusa buttons are even with sanwa buttons

>>164198894
t. the same goober who was crying about having to play neutral in a SF game and calling it shit because it wasn't full of braindead setups

lmao

>>164199029
>i have no argument but i must shitpost

Stick to /v/ and /r/kappa

>>164198983
what SF game had stubby normals beside SFV

>>164198920
The lobbies are shit,
The load times are atrocious even on a PC off a SSD
The neutral is boring long normal/jump/fast normal rps.
The pressure and oki is boring frametrap/throw 50/50
But I guess "core gameplay is great" whatever that means.

Is there even a place to talk about goober or do they just need to use general FGC discussion areas?

>>164198920
Nothing that matters gameplay wise changed about sf5 since launch.

>>164198829
>Or maybe nothing is perfect.
Of course not. But then why keep plying a game that you outright say is shit when there are games out you know you would like more?
Oh right because money and fanboyism.

>>164199065
>waaah why do I have to outplay my opponent?? I want to grind trainingboar setups all day!!

>im so ass blasted im going to pretend to be an MKX shill
......................................lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>164199106

But do we know that? I mean we hear criticisms sure but that's not the same as "SF5 is garbage"

>>164198995
I ws thinking of kof mainly.
>you will never again see xian pull off Irori loops like it's a Tekken string

>>164199090
If you need a safe space you could try making a SF general again

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>>164199009
Widely regarded by Hori reps you mean? It just feels like a looser JLF with a bouncy return that hits an unwanted direction. I guess my preference is still JLF.

>>164191420
I like it fine, I have no particular preference between it and a jlf

>>164198995
didn't tokido once mention around a year ago that he wishes he could drop SF4/5 in favor of KOFXIII?

>>164199190
What's that gotta do with what I said?

>>164199470
This is the fighting game general.

>>164199190
Thanks for answering my question with yes btw lmao

>>164199512
Wrong, this is the Capcom games general. Always has been and always will be.

>>164199470
>>164199529
Hmm

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This whiffed in season 1 I'm glad they gave him a real aa anti-air and made him more well-rounded in neutral while nerfing his oki, such a good character now

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>>164197630
>+3 on block normal is not a common thing in sfv

I swear to god bronze/silver ranked is so tedious for Karin. Oh look another ryu who does blockstring crossup blockstring crossup blockstring crossup.

I really hate how much harder you have to work to beat it than they have to work to do it.

>>164196657
tekken looks so dumb

>>164199843
:'(

>>164199843
hit the training mode my friend

2 hours before it's new years for australia.
Happy new years everyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_1dLoQ13b0

>>164199678
nemo called him top5: https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/dec/29/season-2-pretty-much-year-zangief-nemo-outlines-5-characters-look-out-next-year-detailed-explanations-why

but also he said that ryu is the best character in season 1so...

>>164200028
Happy new years friendo

>>164199843
I'll play with you if you're EU

>>164199029
sfv's busted rollbacks is better than delay

there is no such thing as good delay

have some standards

>>164200028
I live in a populated area and there is always a fucken festival for new years that has crazy fireworks at 12 and music etc.

I won't to play LoL not being distracted

>>164199174
kek thats pretty accurate but what do you want people to do? spam waifu pictures endlessly like blazblue or skullgirls gen?

>it's a SFV ranked shitter tries to play neutral for two seconds then loses patience and starts jumping like a kangaroo episode

Oh wait that's the entire show

What are Urien weaknesses exactly?

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>>164200085
>capboar telling anyone to get standards