I spit on the Nexus edition
>What's new?
Zul'jin (the Warcraft version, not the WoW version) on PTR next week, release following week
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes/zuljin/
Latest In Development Video
https://youtu.be/XUhMCNzcUb0
Year in Review
https://youtu.be/sYIpkktbm68
Weekly Sale
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20407574/double-weekly-sale-dec-20-jan-3-2017-12-20-2016
>Which heroes should I buy?
Play all the heroes on free rotation or try mode and see who you like. Don't buy heroes just to get into ranked, you'll regret it.
>Where do I find you basic-attack-only-Jaina fuckbois?
"/join /vg/" in game chat
>Current weekly brawl:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20409787/heroes-brawl-of-the-week-december-30-2016-silver-city-12-30-2016
>Latest patch notes:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20407399/heroes-of-the-storm-balance-update-december-20-2016-12-20-2016
>Hero rankings, various statistics, talent calculator:
http://www.hotslogs.com/Default
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator
>For new players:
https://youtu.be/wPk004vsjuE
>Tips and other useful resources:
http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips
http://heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/Heroes_of_the_Storm_WikiThere's also a leddit page but we don't talk about that
Previously: >>163882616
>tfw d.va never be in this game
makes me sad
WE WUZ KANGS IN ZUL'AMAN
>>164133028
>Hey lets make Odin even more obsolete
No
>>164133120
What's Zul'jins voice gonna be like?
More "I SPIT ON DA HORDE" or "WHOJA WAN ME KILL?"?
>>164133317
probably a mix of both
>Tier 1
Rag, Thrall, Dehaka, Malf, Tychus
>Tier 2
Li Ming, Zera, BW, Valla, Chen, Zarya, Falstad, Alarak, Rehgar, Raynor, Muradin, Johanna, Artanis, ETC
>Tier 3
Morales, Kerrigan, Tyrael, Jaina, Chromie, Monk, Hammer, Sylv, TLV, Zeebo, KT, Auriel, Prot Warrior
>Tier 4
Tracer, Illidan, Tyrande, Xul, Fury Warrior, Lunara, Zag, Li Li, Sonya, Leoric, Uther, Tassadar, Arthas, Rexxar, Arms Warrior, Samuro
>Autism Tier
Azmodan, Abathur, Medivh
>Tier 5 (AKA memes, shit, trash)
Butcher, Nova, Greymane, Murky, Cho, Gall, Gazlowe
>the team engages 3v5
>talent down
>healer dead
>objective not up
why dis always haben?
>>164133584
Where's Diablo?
>>164133584
>Brightwing anywhere near Rehgar.
>Prot Varian that low.
>Kerrigan that high.
>Uther not in tier 5 with Li Li.
>Samuro, Illidan, Lunara that low.
>Forgetting about one of the strongest characters in the game right now, Diablo.
If you don't know how to play you probably shouldn't be making tier lists.
>>164133584
>Tier lists
>>164133584
>Tier 1
Rag, Thrall, Dehaka, Malf, Tychus, Diablo
>Tier 2
Li Ming, Zera, BW, Valla, Chen, Zarya, Falstad, Alarak, Rehgar, Raynor, Muradin, Johanna, Artanis, ETC, Prot Warrior
>Tier 3
Morales, Kerrigan, Tyrael, Jaina, Chromie, Monk, Hammer, Sylv, TLV, Zeebo, KT, Auriel, Gul'dan, Lunara
>Tier 4
Tracer, Illidan, Tyrande, Xul, Fury Warrior, Zag, Li Li, Sonya, Leoric, Uther, Tassadar, Arthas, Rexxar, Arms Warrior, Samuro, Kael'thas, Anub, Tyrande
>Autism Tier
Azmodan, Abathur, Medivh
>Tier 5 (AKA memes, shit, trash)
Butcher, Nova, Greymane, Murky, Cho, Gall, Gazlowe, Stitches
Fixed the shit list.
>>164134258
>>164133584
>Making tier lists when on certain maps characters go from non factors to being the best characters in the game.
>>164134258
>Gul'dan tier 3
>same tier as lunara
>outclasses her in every aspect making her obsolete
>etc not tier 1
>falling for the dehaka meme
>still rating diablo this high after his survivability nerf
there are a dozen more mistakes since nobody really plays and tests anything that isnt fotm including you guys.
>>164134643
Tier 3 is full of characters like those.
>>164133584
>my boy zeeb in t3
you my friend are a pleb
>>164134643
a proper tier list simply lists hero which are so garbage that there is never ever a reason you should pick them.
Chromie, Gall, Nova, Butcher, Anub, Cho, Sonya, Stitches, Li Li, Tyrande, Uther, Abathur, Gazlowe, Murky, Vikings, Zagara.
Picking any of these and you are shitting on your team.
Hard.
I'm new to this game. What heroes can jungle the mercenary camps easily and early?
>>164135145
>Samuro
>Thrall
>Gazlowe
>Rexxar
>The Butcher
>Chen
>Varian (Twin Blades)
There are a couple others, but these are the first to come to mind.
>>164135017
Chromie might not be a complete memepick anymore, we'll have to see when we move to a meta where mages aren't the worst role in the game.
Sonya's still viable on PvE maps.
Tyrande, Uther, and even Li Li are all viable supports situationally.
TLV still holds a TREMENDOUS winrate on Garden.
Abathur is still pretty good on Cursed Hollow I believe? I don't play Abathur, maybe an autist can assist. He is at his worst though.
Zagara is actually still fairly strong as a solo on Braxis iirc.
The rest I agree as being pretty awful.
>Rag
>Tier 1
Is this what the silvers and golds at /plebbit/ still think?
>brawl
>team is me as Abathur, TLV, Kael, Azmodan and someone who never played Tassadar
>enemy team is ETC, Arthas, Brightwing, Xul and some other assmfw we somehow won it
Never again
>>164135975
It's not like Tassa is a hard hero, anon.
>>164136038
Not really hard but when the odds are stacked against you with this dumbass team, thats the last thing you want to hear
Why is everyone putting Samuro so low down in these tier lists? I thought he was really good?
>>164136141
He falls off the higher you go, not unlike a few other Heroes.
Still curious as to why there hasn't been a tier list by MMR yet.
>>164136141
He was on release.
He's Illidan-tier now.
>>164136278
>tier list by MMR
That's simple
Anywhere below Diamond:
>God tier
Azmodan, Abathur, Zagara, any hero that autismpushes and soaks really well. (except TLV)
>>164136304
Did they even nerf him that much though?
>>164136278
that's kind of dumb, I thought he'd be one of the few really high skill-cap heroes that you can make insane plays with.
>recently get into this game
>play some brawl today
>every other player is level 40
>2 of the players on my team for the entirety of the brawl match constantly die thinking they can 1v5
>of course we lose
I know player level doesn't equal skill BUT,
how is it possible to play the time it requires to get account level 40 and not know you cannot 1v5.
it's basic game knowledge.
>>164136452
Yeah, something like that.
>smurf placements
>oh what low silver
>everybody flips their shit over my Gazlowe and Azmodan hovers
>completely fine with the 39% win rate Auriel and 41% Li-Ming
>>164136469
Mhm. Sort of thought that's what he might be, but on release he could just E up to somebody then mash Q and W to blow them the fuck up.
He has been reduced to a jungler or clone bot now, I think. Haven't seen him in a while. We turbo meta now.
>>164136634
HotS has possibly the lowest average intelligence of any ASSFAGGOTS because a lot of the playerbase simply doesn't care.
Basic mechanics will take you far in ranked.
>>164136634
>play some brawl
brawls are for money, and fun if you come from reddit. there is also, as far as i know, no mmr calculation for brawl, so everything goes. do it for the money and never come back
>draft already fucked
>dodge
>four brawls or quick matches
Oh, drat. I had hoped the counter would reset with seasons.
Hope they just fix Raynor and don't break him, desu.
>>164136731
Well that's good and bad news.
I can probably rank up quickly without too much time spent learning the specifics of this game but at the cost of slogging through all those low rank matches playing with absolute retards.
I started playing because rag looked fun but how strong a pick is he in ranked play?
>>164137148
Rag is fairly strong right now.
How the fuck does it make sense for Earthquake to only be on a 60 second cooldown? You basically root the entire enemy team three times over the course of a teamfight, while also healing (and shielding at 20) for a fuckton.
Why is this allowed when shit like Wailing Arrow, March of the Black King, and Bladestorm are 90, 80, and 110 respectively?
>>164137321
>Falstad's Final Spark is, like, a two minute CD.
>Cancerquake (omg its viable ty blizzard i hated missing my sunder) is on a 60 sec CD
>>164137321
Because you niggers and reddit insisted that EQ was a dogshit ult for fucking FOREVER.
It's always been sleeper, the Sunder nerf and the trait procs put it over the line.
>>164133028
makes me happy tbqhfamalama
>>164137148
He gets banned almost every match.
>an ARAM where nobody can dodge if I won't trade them Kael'thas
Feels comfy.
>>164137148
Probably still being banned over the actually busted Heroes, lmao.
>>164138278
Doesn't mean he's OP. New-hero syndrome is huge in this game.
>>164136731
>Basic mechanics will take you far in ranked.
Only if you play thousands of games to even out the RNG of getting retards in your teams who belong in bronze
>>164139896
This is bullshit, desu.
Unless you somehow manage to lose 60% of your first hundred or so matches, then go 0-10 in placements.
Benis
>>164141201
Gimme
>>164136731
>HotS has possibly the lowest average intelligence of any ASSFAGGOTS
No. That title goes to the EUNE LeL server.
>Towers of Doom
>Sylvanas insists on doing camps and capturing towers
>ignores all teamfights and altars
>doesn't even want to listen when the entire team tells him to do something else
why.png
>>164142517
>afk leveling account on lel in Vs. AI
>swain bot has over 40 kills and 0 deaths
>two mastery level 7 players in the game
I'd believe it, desu.
>>164142651
Pure PvE works for a surprising while, actually. Stopping your split to quickly show up to win/lose the objective before immediately splitting is usually better, though.
>>164142967
Pure PvE works in all maps except Towers of Doom.
>>164133317
Will he have a "I Will bury you here" kill quote?
>>164143059
Yeah, that's the thing. Plenty of people get up to Platinum or Diamond strictly split-pushing, even if it nets them a 30-40% win rate on Battlefield, Towers and that other one.
Also makes me wonder if/when we'll get a map rotation, or ban/blacklists, or something.
Wait are there really no WoW themed maps? With all the great areas that Blizzard has cooked up over the years? Fuck, they could style a map literally after Dota because they own the Defense of the Ancients map. They could make the map boss a red Granite Golem. Not sure what the objective could be though.
>>164144580
Yeah, no Warcraft maps, unless I'm mistaken. Surprised we haven't gotten Arathi Basin or Warsong Gulch at this point.
Wouldn't mind the League/Dota map, though.
>>164144815
>(You)s are gone
y tho
Has Japanese Moot cracked down on the shitposting?
>>164145038
I haven't a clue, actually. 'Heard something about the mod team, but don't really follow that.
Should I buy Chen or Xul?
>>164144815
Why is Cydea such a popular character? She had less than 5 minutes of screen time in D3.
>>164145950
It's just a samefag, anon.
>>164145726
Neither
>>164145726
Chen if you're good with him. Xul isn't nearly as fun if you play against intelligent people.
>>164146591
Chen's worse against "intelligent people" You're pretty useless as a Chen.
>>164145950
MAIDEN OF LUST
>>164145950
She isn't. I just like spiders.
>>164145726
Probably Chen.
Xul for PvE split-push freelo until somewhere in Platinum, or Diamond. He feels to have fallen off recently, though.
>leaver queue is just as fast as normal QM queue
How often do people disconnect from games?
>tfw got so good at banning and counterpicking i cant even find an UD game without going through 5 drafts dodged by the enemy team
Daily reminder that this is a game for moba rejects and hyper casuals and it will never have a competitive scene.
The only people any good at Heroes are from other mobas, and you'll never get as good as them by playing Heroes because it holds your hand and never teaches you anything. You will forever be the HotSbab that goes to the objective because it lit up on your map instead of walking in their base and ending the game.
The Diamond+ in HotS is low-mid in DotA and LoL.
If you play for any reason other than to mess around with Blizzard characters in a hero brawler you've chosen the wrong game.
>>164146201
Not a samefag, I think we are only 3 anons who want her.
>>164136634
HotS does not teach you a single thing about how to play. It's a case study in what happens if you shelter your child and hold their hand through everything.
Basic game knowledge isn't a thing here.
>>164147919
>hurr durr my vidya gaem has hiugher skillcap than urs XDD cesuel XDDD
>>164148207
He's sort of right, though.
>>164148184
It really isn't. I do think things do start to look up after you've gotten to Diamond I-II, though.
>>164147919
There's a lot of filler in those games though, such as last hitting. Denying is better but still masked as "m-muh last hit!"
It's almost 2017 /hotsg and we still can't have this fight on the nexus... Come on blizz, it's time.
>>164148445
Yes, and Heroes of the Storm showcases nicely what's left when all the "filler" and is removed.
>>164136634
the brawls let you see what the average player actually plays like because it doesn't use rankings. and the average player is pretty damn ugly.
i had the exact same thing happent today, guy tried to 1v5 as medivh, he was 0-2 by 1:30. i asked him what he was doing and he got extremely defense, going "IVE NEVER PLAYED THIS HERO!". i told him i had never played my hero before either, he said "but yours is a tank and im squishy". so i said "then why the fuck do you think you can 1v5"
>>164148549
Wrong.
There's more to non-hots than filler. And hots is not those games -filler.
>>164148470
literally who? no one gives a shit about WoW faggotry senpai.
>>164148207
No, it's more like the skill cap is unreachable for people that only play HotS because they won't learn anything.
I said the only people any good at Heroes are from other mobas, as in, there's a skill cap but the only people even close come from DotA or LoL because you have to learn how to actually play those games to get to high ranks.
Anyway, believe what you want.
>>164148816
>>164148431
>He's sort of right, though.
Yeah, but how is that relevant to anything? I couldn't care less that there are other ASSFAGGOTS in the market which are more complex. Why would I play lel or doto of this is the game I'm enjoying the most?
The difference in difficulty is irrelevant to anything but dick-wagging circlejerks.
>>164148925
No one told you to care if it's the game you enjoy.
You just objectively chose the wrong game if you are competitive in any way about it.
>>164149286
Can't argue with that.
>>164148470
Why would Valeera fight Jaina? If anything they'd be friendly towards each other.
>>164148816
>comparing [[[skill]]] in assfaggots
>when quake, cs and sc exist
>>164148721
She'll come, anon, and you'll love her more than I already do...
You see anon, we hots players are all part of the same WoW faggotry, wasn't this game called "Heroes of Warcraft... And Friends" anyway?
>>164132808
>a new "where do I find you" text
God's work
>>164149989
Because they get drafted in opposite teams obv
>>164148721
>WoW faggotry
That's a weird way to spell cardstone.
>>164150016
>CS
LOL
whats the speedrunning strat to get the GEnji skin
i have a friend with me
>>164150540
cs 1.6 takes a whole childhood of rigorous playing to master.
>>164151819
noob
>>164151819
Sgt. Hammer and/or Sylvanas.
Push the boss lane to core, recall and do boss at 3:00
On Towers of Doom just leave 1-2 people to defend, preventing the bots from instantly recapturing it. Hold all six points to end quickly.
>>164149989
One is blue team, the other is red team...
Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/
https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker
They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!
>>164133317
Technically he shouldn't hate the Horde yet, as losing his arm is a part of the long chain of events which led to him despising the Horde, and this version of him is clearly decently well before.
>>164136634
I am about 80% sure I played a Brawl a few days back that had at least two to three bots.
I'm talking solo-walking into towers and shooting skillshots at Bird Medivh levels of suspicious
>>164135017
>Chromie
>Bad
Haha.
Looking back on 2016, what were your personal highlights?
For heroes, it was Greymane, Xul, Dehaka, and Varian.
Skins: Striker Li-Ming, Scarecrow Xul, and Lil' Rag.
And the two Starcraft maps.
>>164151819
Oh, and make sure the AI difficulty is set to Beginner, of course.
>>164153000
Yeah, because you don't have to win. People just want to get it over with for the free gold.
>also no post-game report screen
>>164153201
Personal highlights for me were the buffing of lane minion damage with the slightly slower mount speed.
I enjoy Specialists and generally anything that can waveclear efficiently the most.
>>164153032
>reskinned nova
>good
Haha
>>164153471
Yeah, same. I was pretty happy to see they didn't revert the mount change after all the backlash either.
>Dehaka
>Xul
>Greymane (rip)
>Gul'dan
It's been sort of fun. Honorable mentions to Chromie and Li-Ming, I just can't and therefore don't play them.
>tfw lunara came out in 2015
>>164153963
>tfw this game has made me attracted to deer and short people
>Deathwing is a good ide-
>>164155152
>deathwing comes out
>it's just his humanoid form
>alternatively he requires five players to pilot
>>164155152
>Giant character that climbs around on unpathable terrain
Probably way too much work, but it could be cool
>>164155152
Incredibly likely it will be his humanoid form, with his true form being either an ult or trait like Ragnaros.
Honestly, Rag probably set the stage for other gigantic raid boss type heroes.
>>164154360
>not being attracted to short people beforehand
>hero league
>some retard start saying he can't play heal or whatever
>tell us he will pick chromie whatever
>oh_god_another_retard.tiff
>pick kharazim
>all my team tell me I was a nice kharazim
>put some nice palms, and made a nice heal
>chromie 6 death, 30k hero damages
>I made sure to not heal her during team fight
>heal her when she back with her bye bye talent to make her mad
>we still win
Why retards that buy skins just play whatever they want to show off some stupid overpriced stuff ?
>>164155152
Isnt Diablo also huge? Also they will probably use his human form like Chromie
>>164141745
SOURCE
>>164157457
No.Yes.
>>164145950
no one ever knows, but because of this shit we might get her before Baal, Mephisto, Cain, Andariel or any other relevant demon from Diablo.
After this warcraft shitter we're gonna have some Diablo heroes : Aidan (that was made up to justify the D3 bullshit scenario), Malthael (a useless guy on a useless act (the act itself is cool, the story behind it is retarded and I still don't get why they made it). And that's it because blizzard don't give a fuck about Diablo.
I'm still waiting for the D2 sorc with multi elemental skills, paladin with smith zeal and hammer and a nice aura for his buddies, an actual barbarian that can take some damages (bonus point if ancients), an assassin with traps and dragon flight.
What the hell are they waiting ?
>>164158281
>posting spiders on anonymous image boards influences what they release
If only.
I don't have fun anymore with this games... Losses make me salty and wins don't feel rewarding. Should I quit this shit?
>>164158818
Yeah, take a break. That's what helped me, anyways.
>>164157327
d3 dibbles skin when
>>164158603
I memed a hero into existence, but my meme was actually good.
>>164159216
Oh, neat. Which one?
Also makes me wonder if we'll get spider before Maiev. I'd be so happy.
>>164159216
Stop gloating, Dustin.
>>164159452
Muh husbando
>>164159604
Ah, that fellow.
It was inevitible he would be added, but I had been hoping for a Darius-like Grom/Garrosh.
>varian is our first multiclass hero!
Shitty gimmick, this.
>>164158603
if some guys talk about her here, I wouldn't be surprised those same guys post on reddit or on the forums requesting her.
glad to see they're using garry's mod to pose their characters
>>164158946
I actually took all of season 1 off because overwatch came out, only to come back on season 2 and find hots to be fantastic, but it has started to feel like a job again "having" to do the dailies and now the brawls to keep up with the gold.
I might just skip season 3 entirely
>>164159891
That's simply false, most autists here are light years away from what redditplebs request.
>>164159891
I don't know about the official forums, but she doesn't really pop up on rebbit.
>cain
>baal
>mephisto
>duriel
Are the names I *think* I see popping up the most. Not sure. Diablo isn't really my thing. This isn't including all the frequently-requested non-Diablo Heroes, of course.
>>164160045
Yeah, I've just been logging on every three days to clear out dailies, occasionally doing the brawl.
>>164157327
Azmo' is far larger (lore-wise)
>yesterday
>awesome games, coordinated teammates, deserved victories
>today
>WIN 3 GAMES quest
>the most retarded teams ever, hammers that do no damage, guldans using rain of fire, everyone trickling in
FUCKING WIN GAMES QUEST
>Chromie on the ARAM Brawl
>Butcher on my team
>W Build
Holy shit, this shouldn't be legal
>>164162339
>Win 3 games
>Get 2 of the wins done
>8 LOSS STREAK FOR 2 DAYS
That quest is cursed
>>164162339
>>164163316
>Read these
>Laugh
>Think "Poor guys. I should log in, I wonder what my daily is."
Go fuck yourselves, this shit isn't funny assholes.
>>164163073
>Chromie on the ARAM Brawl
>pick the aoe slow ulti
>slap it on enemy gate
>the enemy now can't retreat and once they are behind their gate they can't get out
Chromie is pretty gud at ARAM
>>164163316
>>164162339
>>164163756
>log in
>see 3 win daily
>queue vs AI and burrow into bush near fort/keep on abathur
>afk for 5-15 minutes
>repeat 3 times
Why is Rexxar so ugly now
Its like they took his 50% orc 50% ogre thing and then amped it up to 75% ogre over the years to make him not look like a strong-jawed bear-man.
>>164165492
But that's Mag Bearmaul, not Rexxar??
>>164163756
That's what beginners AI is for
>>164165743
Fine then you lil fluffy shit here's your Rexxar. And for some reason they dulled his tusks, and then dulled Misha's tusks too. They used to be tusk buddies.
>>164167237
Just look at this. They used to look so happy. And his hat took it the worst. Its just a fucking leathery cloth now, what happened to his cool wolf hat? Warcraft 3 was so good about cool wolf hide hats.
>>164167893
>it looks the same but better
is this what having autism is like?
>>164168071
You have terrible taste in hats
>>164168149
You have autism.
>>164167893
I made a funny meme
>>164167893
His hat is made from the pelt of his old wolf companion that gave it's life to save him from a Warlock. It makes sense that it looks more leathery, it's skin from an animal that had everything under it's skin disintegrated.
>>164169267
When did that happen?
>>164145950
She is as close to elise as we will get
>>164170046
Not sure of which book it is, but it happened in one of the novels.
>>164169267
>wolf
I believe it, but it looks like a mangled bat
>less than two weeks to earn 10,000 gold
Does Ranked give more than quick match?
>>164170046
Around the end of Ner'zhul's era, and obviously before WC3.
In fact, it was all of Gul'dan and Ner'zhul's bullshit along with all the senseless fighting and failure to make peace, along with the loss of his wolf at the hands of an Orc Warlock, that made him say "Okay, fuck this world." and be a lone wanderer who can only truly care for animals.
Until he tries to save that Orc messenger and fails. Then his side-story in WarCraft 3 happens.
>>164172170
What do you even need 10k for?
>>164172170
>grinding gold
Get a stim then smash out bots games in 3-4 minutes.
>SMITE's ARAM mode will always make sure that a team that has a healer if the other one rolls one
>Queue for QM
>Their team has Kharazim, Brightwing and Medivh
>We have Owl Build Tryande
J U S T
>>164172762
>bots
Gross. Fun before rewards, senpai.
You have to buy a master skin after you unlock it? That's fucking gay.
>>164174020
Best of luck in your gold farm then, I guess?
>>164174236
Yeah, just another gold sink. Still, infinitely better than having to spend IP on runes or rune pages.
This Rexxar looks solid.
I have learned that anub arak is actually pretty good at pubstomping
>tfw you web someone for full duration and their team doesn't help
>>164172219
>Around the end of Ner'zhul's era
I can understand if orcs, ogres, and orcres live longer than usual, but just how old is Rexxar then? He has to be older than Thrall if he was out and about making enemies of warlocks when Thrall wasnt even conceived.
>>164174763
He does, but
>A bow
>>164175648
>Hunter has a bow
Surprising.
>>164175714
>he didn't go two weapon spec with the free feat
>_>
>>164175928
That picture isn't from Blizzard, right?
Someone should post that on the Overmeme on rebbit asking about where it is, all innocently. Then we all upboat it and comment on it agreeing.
>>164176124
>muh legion
This post is worst than that image. As well as having to ask if that image isn't from Blizzard.
>>164176291
I am surprised he thinks it could be real but come on, don't be that neo /pol/ not ur personal army fag.
>>164176412
>>164176291
Easiest replies tbqh family. Doubly-so by making it pretty obvious, but not obvious enough for new friends.
>>164175648
Thrall was a child slave by this point. 7 years between the First and Second wars, yeah? So we'll say, Rexxar is at least like 15 years older than Thrall. I can't imagine anyone under the age of like 19 being worth much considering how fucking huge Orcs are, and Rexxar has the benefit of being Orc and Ogre.
Rexxar was also stationed with Grom Hellscream at the Blasted Lands side of the Dark Portal during Ner'zhul's war, so he's if nothing else, the same age as Grom I guess.
>>164176637
Thanks for the lore anon. I always wondered where Rexxar came from but never really looked into it.
Howd Rexxar make it to Kalimdor from the Dark Portal though? Ride on the back of some Dragon Turtles? Tie some Wyverns to strings and have them carry him across the ocean?
>>164177331
Not sure. Likely, at one point, just took an Orcish ship over once the Horde settled in and got some ships up and working. He didn't completely vow to stay away from people, he just didn't want to be involved with their personal shit. So he likely just hitched a ride over. If not an Orcish ship, then possibly a Goblin one, as it's plausible Rexxar would gather some supplies and shit in exchange for a ride over.
How is my wife Lunara these days?
>>164176412
>don't be that neo /pol/ not ur personal army fag
>>164178250
I for one enjoyed when people were civil here and only cared about the lulz. Now it's all hardcore taking your depression out on other people through bullying
>>164154360
Glad you could make it Arthas.
>>164178615
>Glad I could make it, Arthas
fixed
>Artanis still 10k
>ZERATUL STILL 10k
What the fuck? Why are my Protoss bros still 10k? Especially Zera, he's ancient as fuck.
>>164178338
...wut the fuck is this guy on about?
>>164178732
>zeratul 10k
keep shitters away from him, not unlike abathur/tlv
or maybe not idk
>artanis
no idea just reduce him to 2k
Curious as to who'll be reduced in price next.
>>164178874
But Zera isn't even hard. But sadly most people pick the wrong talents on him.
Art' should be 4-7k already. We're due for price reductions though.
>>164178615
>>164178701
>Chef Arthas and Uther skins never
>>164178732
If they reduce the gold prices, how will they make you pay real money for them?
I'm fully expecting them to start leaving new heroes at 15k gold price for longer or only drop them down to like 12k
>>164179046
>zera isn't hard
what
>wrong talents
oh okay
>>164179383
>blinking into enemy team and wormholing out is haaaaard
Any fucking moron could play him back when Zera/Nova were actually popular.
Now that he doesn't have focused attack it actually takes "skill" to not blow with him.
Why the fuck is he so useless? You can't even fucking play him in QM anymore.
>>164179068
>tfw no Uther Arthas skin
>tfw no Arthas Uther skin
why has earthquake not been removed yet
>>164181540
Because is meh tier
>>164181540
Because "taking turns" is their preferred method of balancing.
>bloodlust
>earthquake
>hyperion
>+200
>>164181540
Because blizzard is on vacation
>Taking Untouchable, getting it to 15 stacks and not losing it the entire game
>>164181540
What if they replaced it with Spirit Wolves
>>164181540
>>164183112
Wait I just realized his root is a spirit wolf
What if they replaced it with Far Sight
What if he got Far Sight as a trait
>>164183221
Rehgar already has Farsight. Unless they removed it.
They should just replace fucking Earthquake with Lightning Crash and save the Earthquake mechanic for a fucking Tauren Chieftain hero or something, Thrall's ults are so fucking Warrior-like in nature, it's just one of many reasons why he's just so fucking good.
>>164184934
After looking, yes Rehgar does have Far Sight as a talent.
What kind of Shaman is Thrall anyways? Spirit Wolves and Windfury is for Enhancement, but Earthquake, Chain Lightning, and probably Sundering would be for Elementalist. I get hes loosely made after his WC3 variant, which is why he has Earthquake, but maybe they should just solidify him as a Enhancement Shaman. What would Lightning Crash do anyways?
>Enhance your attacks with lightning for 10 seconds, causing all attacks to do additional AoE damage in front of Thrall.
Itd at least make his auto attack based assassination stronger instead of having him largely be based on blowing stuff up with Sunder.
>>164184934
>>164185348
Oh wait, Sundering is actually an Enhancement talent. So he's 60% Enhancement and 40% Elementalist.
Why do people get the chain lightning talent in thrall's second tier? Chain lightning is shitty poke that ooms you and tickles the enemy. I understand the first talent cuz mana but why the second?
>>164185348
The fact that he isn't even a full on Enhancement Shaman has been a huge complaint of mine for a while. I could easily see Lightning Crash being just like Earthquake, but a damage-oriented AoE as opposed to a big slow, wherein it's basically like a large DoT on the ground.
>>164186186
heals
Hey Limeme is actually fun
>>164187376
well duh, a mobile mage with massive burst
gravekeepercucks are all failures living in their mom's basement who never shower and probably also masturbate to Stitches
>>164189534
Does anyone actually like the Gravekeeper? Never heard of it.
>On the absolute shittiest map in the game, a map so shitty it had to be removed
>Brought back
>Still absolute garbage
>Is clearly incompetent, judging by all of his interactions with the raven lord
>>164189715
t. ravenlord
>>164187376
Who's the artist of this?
Nova or Lunara?
>>164189957
Nova for love and long-term relationship.
Lunara for a fun night and quick fuck.
t. not even a novafag
>>164189957
For something specific, or just in general?
Regardless, probably Lunara.
>>164132808
What are heroes you'd want to see added but never expect to actually see?
I'd want to see an Old Gold and/or Overmind.
>Core Replacement
>Global presence
>Enhance/control minions
>Actively control/reinforce defenses
>Creep/Saronite Spread for vision
>U GONNA RIKE TENTACRE
>>164185636
Even WoD Drek'thar told his dumb green ass to rely less on the hammer and more on the mind.
Thrall's younger-version mentor thinks he's a dumbfuck.
>>164145950
Because nobody at nu blizzard played Diablo before 3.
Seriously Azmodan before Baal? NIgger was the lamest boss in an already lame game.
>>164189715
I liked the old haunted mines
Dont care for the new one
>>164171109
Beyond the dark portal. If I'm remembering it correctly. Happens near the end of the book around when the dark portal closes stranding Rexxar along with the warsong clan on Azeroth.
Master assassin or in the rhythm?
>>164192518
In The DINGDINGDINGDINGDING
>>164191213
>>164192908
Who is that anal amazon?
>>164190553
relevant heroes from Diablo.
I don't expect them cause only baal and cain were on the axolotl list
>>164190553
>>164145038
Just use 4chanX and get all the (You)s you can handle.
>>164189715
fuck off raven lord
more like craven lord am i right
>>164195895
more like ravin' turd
HAHA aced that faggot
>>164192518
in the rhythm cuz that with the healing thingy is neato burrito
Why the fuck do people queue QM as Abathur? He's fucking useless without a team built around him. Go play vs AI if you want to play le ebin RTS slug man.
Yes I mad.
>>164197998
Because I ain't gonna get XP for doing AI, nigga.
Also it's fun to make the best of what you have
>Evolving a Samuro
>Cho'gall walks onto the Braxis point
>6 angry orcs pop up out of nowhere
Is Maiev in the game yet?
>>164198650
not yer anon
>>164198740
How can blizzard fuck up so badly and get away with it?
>>164198868
they gave out a free skin for genji in overwatch, free heroes and a free month long stimpak to distract people from the fact that she wasnt announced at blizzcon
>>164198868
Hearthstone player's money.
>>164198868
>Wanting Maiev before Fenix
Nazeebo's E is the worst fucking skill in the game.
You CANNOT refute this.
>>164200003
What about like
Azmodan's W
>>164200276
azmodan W is pretty useful to stop creeps from coming and having more space on a lane, forcing the enemy to not back. After lvl 13 is can take tower munitions instead of the minions and make a better push.
Not the best skill but not useless.
>>164200003
E hurts like a truck at point blank
also gets your dot on a wave to get trait stacks
Raynors E is the worst fucking skill in the game.
It should replace his current trait and they should come up with a real third ability for him.
>>164200276
hey
dont u shittalk my goons
>>164200003
Stitches W
>>164200003
Psi storm is worse.
An aoe damage ability on a support character that causes mild damage to minion waves, structures, or anyone lazy enough not to walk out of it.
>>164203889
It's Beta version was strong. And when Tass got his double-tap talent, it would wreck anyone's day if you could land two on the same target.
Of course, those were the days when Archon could 1v5 the enemy team and still win.
Now, Archon can barely 1v2 against bronzies.
>>164165492
At least it's beter than his wow model, that thing is an abomination
>>164204530
>>164204703
What in the absolute fuck?
>>164178249
She's your wife? Wow man, you must be the biggest cuck in human history
>>164204703
>a brown orc with a wolf hat
top kek
>>164204750
Vanilla WoW. Was cheap like a high school drama department.
Is the game fun and alive guys? Im thinking of playing a bit, want to know if its even worth a shot
>>164207893
Nope, dead as fuck, takes half an hour to find a game
>>164190553
yeah, I'd love to see something like Yogg-Saron replace your core
>>164208145
>half an hour
I found the leaver! Longest i had to wait on the EU servers is like 5min.
>>164209426
>EU
>>164209426
Leaver queues are just as long as normal queues
>>164200003
Yeah its the fucking worst, sometimes it can win a game but usually everyone just escapes from it.
>>164207893
>fun
It's easy to get into the game so you should give it a try and figure out by yourself.
waiting on that fucking chromie skin
>>164204703
What's interesting is that they didn't just use his model from Warcraft 3 originally considering the bear model from WoW is literally just Misha from the Bonus Campaign menu screen.
I think about stupid shit like this too much.
>>164179971
>wormholing
its the current year senpai
Since we're in an autoattack meta, does that mean Tassadar has risen out of "shit tier" to "not quite shit tier"?
>all these desperate pubs throwing away their newbie gold on Sylvanas and Hammer to grind the Genji skin
It's kind of sad.
They don't even bother to even learn the basics or buy/play something they might like.
Best part is they don't know you only need one friend so they all clump up for 5-man parties for maximum exp for me.
>tfw they keep wandering down "mid" in 2-lane maps like Eternal Battlefield and keep asking where the bots are
>tfw they get mad I don't go down mid with them in maps like Dragon Shire or Towers of Doom
>tfw they take so long it's faster for me to solo farm 30+ coins in Blackheart's Bay to destroy all three lanes before winning
>tfw they take so long it's faster for me to collect the shambler seeds or miners skulls to finish
>tfw they still get mad at me and kick me a quarter of the time afterwards even though I explain why some maps it's faster to do objectives
>>164217517
Isn't Sylvanas given away for free through some kind of newbie promotion? I seem to remember getting her for free.
>>164217476
he still only belongs to `the x comps` where x is a certain other hero.
used to be almost exclusively illidan, now its illidan/tracer/valla. still a weak solo support
>>164217639
Oh I didn't know http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/game/recruit-a-friend/ was still a thing.
Damn, my friend who I started with never told me about this.
I could've gotten Sylvanas and Raynor by now.
>>164217517
honestly, if you have a hammer with a least bit of brain, on no map is it faster to do an objective
>>164217517
>wasting time doing objectives when you could end the game in under 3 minutes
>>164217517
There is no map where it's faster to do objective in grinding vs. AI games, with or without Sylv/Hammer.
>Alt + W with Alarak will shove you in the direction you're running automatically
Oh my god.
It took me 8 matches to learn this, 8 matches of pure misery.
>>164218052
>>164218080
>>164218843
>honestly, if you have a hammer with a least bit of brain, on no map is it faster to do an objective
I know, but this is a lv 4-5 newbie who keeps saying "ai farm ai rush" and can't do it properly.
They spend too much time fucking around the mid keep and core and take like 10+ minutes because they inevitably die and have to make multiple trips.
*I* don't mind, longer games mean more exp for me.
>>164218859
Is it JUST you? What if someone is as close to you as possible? Half the problem with shoving yourself as Alarak is that sometimes sticky people end up travelling with you.
>>164217476
Tass is godlike with any AA. I main her, and Valla is a thoroughly mediocre hero, but she's first pick ban because she's godlike with Tass and still pretty good with auriel or Rehgar. If you get auriel Tass or auriel reh, it's pretty much GG, even into EQ thrall Diablo Raynor and other broken things.
>>164132808
FRIENDLY REMINDER:
You are the only constant. No, it isn't a meme, sorry. Git Gud.
Also: Maiev NEVER EVER.
>>164220565
>Valla
>first pick/ban anywhere
What the fuck am I reading?
>>164221947
maiev isn't the true never ever you twat
>>164222776
Yeah, she IS. MUH KT is just dork delusional garbage.
>>164222887
unlike KT, maiev's skillset is already in the game :^)
>>164222979
Yep! That's why is the true NEVER EVER. Zera-kun owned that bitch so hard.
ALSO, we have our dear Maiev-fag, that I love to see suffer. On the other hand, KT only have fatty idiots screaming left and right.
>>164223131
no
the fact that her skillset is already in the game means half of her is already in the game, whereas nothing of KT is in the game
as a result, he is clearly the true never ever
>>164223216
Xul mixed with Jaina is KT.
>two people get picked right before first objective
>oh guess we're giving it
>remaining two teammates suicide in
>get spam pinged
>we've still got two people dead
oh
>>164226831
>picked
stop
when will overfag players stop begging for genji skin?
>>164227119
?
>>164227164
Doesn't the promotion end in a few days?
>>164227249
and the begging won't stop until the challenge end? fuck that, does reporting them work?
>>164227501
Probably not.
And no, not really. Just ignore them and/or leave whatever channels they're begging in for the next few days.
>>164222979
Ragnaros, Zeratul, Kerrigan, Kael'thas, Arthas, Raynor, Uther, Alarak, Anub'arak, Malfurion, Illidan, Thrall, Sgt Hammer, Lt Morales, and more all have different kits in HotS than they did in their home games, in many cases WILDLY so
Zeratul closely resembling Maiev's WC3 kit means very little since she wouldn't have had that kit in HotS even if Zeratul didn't exist
>US
>>164229037
Zeratul has moves from Starcraft 2. Same with Kerrigan. Raynor has a lot of the same shit as well. The ults are from cinematics in Wings of Liberty, Sgt Hammer is just a siege tank and what they do is siege and un siege. Morales is pretty much a medic from Starcraft with added abilities. Alarak has deadly charge, uses lightning during his one dual mission.
If you want a Rogue they are better ones than Maeiv.
what are some good youtube videos that could help me improve at shit game? tournament games especially
>>164229798
>tournament
Ehh, I'd suggest just trying to find a decent streamer that you like.
Found a few Korean players on Azubu a while back, not sure if any of them are still around, though.
Any characters you started to like in HOTS even though you don't give a shit about their home game?
Alarak is my boy now.
I never get to hear all the inter-character dialogue, is there a place to listen to all of it?
>>164229740
>rogue
Hey WoWfaggot, she isn't a rogue. also, tell me which of zeratul's abilities is supposed to be avatar of vengeance, her signature ability?
and even if all 4 of her abilities were copied, it's not like blizzard would make up new abilities for an old character right?
we would NEVER get something like a necromancer, because witch doctor has his abilities, right?
Choke on this dick faggot. you just embarassed yourself.
>>164231205
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/
>>164231213
>avatar of vengeance
explain
sounds like another "i spawn a shitty clone of myself" ability and that concerns me
>>164231205
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/
might be of interest
>>164231168
I always hated Pandaren, but man do I love playing Chen.
>>164229798
Watch Grubby. He may not be pro level but he knows what's good and how to draft, which is what newbies want to learn the most.
summoning takada, or anyone else who's good at them, for advice on the vikings in the state the game is currently in
>>164231428
You plant an Avatar around corpses and from corpses clones of you rise. The clones are timed or go away if you destroy the avatar.
Not to sure how well it would work in this game considering they'd probably take away the spell immunity they had or save it for an upgrade.
It's the only ability that Zeratul doesn't have that Wardens have.
>Stuck at platinum 5
>Always lose on the promotion match
Didn't want to play anymore anyway.
>won 5 out of 5 of play placements so far
>anxiety kicking in makes me not want to queue again
>>164204703
The current wow model still looks very ugly and outdated
>>164234797
>>164234673
play until you lose, then take a break
gotta make the most of it while it lasts
Haven't played in a few months, how's Chromie?
Any important changes I should know?
They should add the patch notes inside the game and let you pull up hero related patch notes and have the game remember when you last played the character so you can see what has changed
>>164133028
>Wanting another character from that shitty FPS
>>164133028
Why is she so fucking fat?
>>164235881
She gets her talents 2 levels before everyone now instead of 1 level.
Her mana regen quest and her level 1 vision got merged into one talent.
>>164232684
Personally I enjoyed the notion that Maiev's level one "talent" was to instead choose a single enemy hero, and half her kit only works if it's being actively used to pursue and disable her chosen target
It felt like it fits well with the single-minded hate-boner I remember her having.
Illidan is out there somewhere.
>>164236761
Artist projections. Gremlin culture ruins characters. "Oh they like videogames! MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES DORITOS THEY MUST BE LIKE ME!"
>>164239152
Blizzard wouldn't do that or atleast it wouldn't be too strong of a buff. Would be too much backlash from people being "bullied" by Maiev
>quick AI wins
>everybody wants to go mid when we have zero sustain
>push to core then sit around for another seven minutes because we don't have the damage to dent the core without dying
>nobody pushes boss lanes
suffering
i just want the stupid gobber mount on smurfss
Anon, I need to know how is it possible that Blizzard can get away with this fucking regional restriction bullshit in 2017.
I mostly play Blizzard games anon, and when I'm visiting my family in another continent I can't play this shitty game because the ping is too high, and if I switch regions, guess what anon? there's nothing... Same shit happens with CardStone but ping doesn't matter there... Why are there even regions in a card game? it's fucking stupid and greedy on Bli$$ard.
When are we gonna do something about this shit 4chan? Overwatch works fine, and go play almost any other game on steam out there and this region bullshit doesn't exist (I'm looking at dota right now)
>>164241210
>how can blizzard get away with it
do they even need to comment on stuff like this I thought the blizzdrones usually did all the defending and explaining
>>164239865
>>164239152
they could have it on whoever is the current MVP for the enemy team. so it could change over the course of the game.
>>164241525
well they're just faggots who don't realize there's no technical or legal justification for region restrictions and we're basically being scammed
>>164241210
i actually bought 2 accounts to be able to play sc2 on eu and na
dont like it either its really stupid and for the few it affects seems quite restricting
>queue HL
>instalock Chromie on my team
>the second the chat is available "IM JUST HERE TO GET MY LAST LOSING PLACEMENT"
>spends the entire game missing spells and shit talking
>try my hardest to stay positive and keep pushing the team stay in the game
>hammer on our team caught out because instead of following pings she stooped to throw mines giving away her position when she was previously in fog
>chromie was caught out by diablo like 9 times because she would stop to put and hourglass when being chased by 2 or more
>we lose because people keep stoping to chuck spells instead of just running to towers
>wwhen they were all on our core our Dehaka borrowed away at the very last second as a goof because loss was secured with dead hammer and chromie
>everyone blames him instead of the dead faggots
>right after we lose "SEE I TOLD YOU I GET MATCHED WITH RETARDS" and leaves
There's my lose 5-1 should have listened to my anxiety.
>>164244309
It was bound to happen eventually.
>>164243665
Mhm. Sort of curious as to why there isn't even a "Transfer region" service for x amount of dollars.
>tfw you find out killing Samuro's Mirror Images triggers A Card to Play
WHY IS THIS ALLOWED
>>164245360
>illusions count towards "hit hero" quests
I don't see why not, even if it is...sort of good?
Assist system is bullshit, though. Raynor doesn't even have to hit them, not unlike how Li-Ming doesn't need to do a single point of damage to get an "assist".
>>164244574
>Mhm. Sort of curious as to why there isn't even a "Transfer region" service for x amount of dollars.
It's because nobody cares, unless you're directly affected you don't think about these kind of things. A transfer region service would still be kinda shitty but I would take that over what we have right now anytime
>>164241210
Part of it is probably pricing of digital things. Pretty sure everything costs more in Europe than USA so people could buy all their shit on USA prices or where ever it is cheapest
>lose with plat 5s
>tell me i shouldnt even be in plat
>win the next 5 games and start playing diamonds again
heh
>>164244309
>not hitting your spells as chromie
You can just spam them at the direction of the enemy and get free hits, no aiming required
>dying as chromie
Oh he was just fucking bad
>>164245360
>playing chromie
>enemy team has samuro
>finish the W quest before level 10
I don't know why everyone bans Samuro in ranked
>>164245646
They are, but prices are determined by your Battle.net account region, not by the region you're logged in the game... Switch regions in your battle.net launcher and you'll see prices are exactly the same for you.
Also how come Blizzard is the only company affected by that?
happy new year /hotsg/
>>164246117
>Also how come Blizzard is the only company affected by that?
Because they set up their servers to be regional in the first place and changing it now would waste a lot of money and would cause problems for the first month or so
>>164246381
Then how come Overwatch isn't affected by this?
>>164246325
what did they mean by this?
>>164246325
Happy new year faggot, I love you
>>164246438
Probably built the servers to not be region locked?
It's easier to do it for a new game rather than go back and change how for example the hots servers work.
It could mean they are planning on making everything regionless but it would cause some problems with people who own the same game in multiple regions
>>164246764
It's really hard for me to believe the technology for region switching (move your EU account to NA and viceversa, for example) is not there for hots and hearthstone at the very least
>>164247025
Apparently they don't have the technology to allow for gifting.
Or to fix the piece of literal shit reconnect system.
>>164246493
>>164246764
>>164247025
>>164247345
>yfw 2017 fixes reconnect, introduces global servers, gifting, and other nifty stuff which should have been available since five years
>>164247025
It's not that they can't or don't know how to do it, it's that it won't make them any money but will cost a bunch. I wish they would do it but it's pretty unlikely they will
>>164247485
>been logging into the game since Johanna release on the off chance it takes off
>it still fucking hasn't
>people will probably sing songs of praise when they finally implement basic shit literally every other game did half a decade ago
>the show offline feature will continue to remain in development, but will still cost us a raid tier
>game starts
>diablo keeps disconnecting because he's downloading gay porn
>greymeme gets mad when 10 minutes in I say we should let the enemy end it fast when we were behind in levels and had a diablo bot
What's up with all these people who want to play even when it's obvious we are going to lose?
They are also very quick to blame me for losing just because I'm the only one saying anything in chat
>>164249761
Because you gotta be positive anon! You can comeback from any situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>164249761
>typing in chat
literally don't bother trying to argue/reason with anybody in this game, or any other moba ever
just type important shit like "safe to boss falstad dead for 30", or whatever
>>164250053
Unironically though, you can comeback from 90% of situations where people say gg.
Unless you have a guy feeding ro a bot there's always hope.
>bored, in long queue
>remember hots has a general chat
>join in
>people complaining about getting bad/troll teammates
>check
>4000 games played
>Bronze IV
holy
shit
>>164250394
Yeah, true. Sometimes it's just too fucked, though.
>infernal shrines
>am xul
>enemy loses first objective
>melt the shit out of their other lanes
>end the game level 19 vs 14
The thing i liked about league is that every player tries to improve and become better. I get the feeling this mentality doesn´t exist with most HotS players. Is this game too shallow to be taken seriously?
>get an auriel sololaning slowly all game
>get a chromie doing the same next game
what goes throughs these kids heads when they do this
>>164250954
It's just (sort of) a moba in which you can play your favorite Blizzard characters.
>taken seriously
Not any time soon.
>too shallow
Yeah, this might be part of the reason.
How the fuck do I deal with tanks?
Just lost a Dragon Shire game because my teammates kept fucking around with a Tracer and let a Diablo and Chogall solo soak the side lanes until 20 minutes in where they got so fat that nobody could kill them. Seriously, the Diablo and Chogall's HP bars were majority black not because they lost it but because all those HP bars are so smushed together, the red was getting inched out by the black separators.
Sure our teamcomp was shit because we were expecting to just queue a bot game and I was playing Chromie for the first time but the host was a dickhead who switched to QM while I went to the bathroom so I couldn't do anything but I don't really know of any %-based skills and talents that are effective on any hero I've seen so far other than like, I think Diablo.
>>164250394
>ARAM map
>my team is lili, malfurion, medivh, abathur, greymane
>enemy team is anub, valla, samuro, monk, kael or something similiar
>people mad when I stop trying 10 minutes in even tho everyone was saying it's a loss as soon as the game started
Did I mention it was apparently also my fault we lost?
>>164250954
>too shallow
This is true for all mobas tho
>>164251197
What, in draft modes?
>tychus
>leoric
>raynor
>valla
Or just any sustained damage dealer, honestly. Lunara and Nazeebo, for instance, both shit damage after they have the talents.
Quick Match?
Uh, try to capitalize on poor engages or extensions. Only so much you can do here, especially against something like a cautious Cho'gall.
>>164251578
Definitely more so with Heroes than League/Dota.
>>164133584
>Tier 5 (AKA memes, shit, trash)
Butcher
>>164250954
Something I personally feel doesn't help, is that because this game has no shop items, there's no real way to counter-build to help relieve yourself in the event that you go against a counter to your hero.
Combine this with the fact that there's no such thing as gold farming, people are sort of left up to their own devices as to what to do (Assuming they're bad and don't understand how important soaking is) which often leads them into skirmishing or flat out fighting, which with the issue of counters being a thing, and with the absence of the concept that some heroes are much worse off early game than others (Tied semi directly to the item shop, as people are hard-wired at this point to know early game ITEMS from late game ITEMS, but not inherent stat numbers like in HotS), it overall just kind of comes together to create an entire shitstorm, and people simply don't learn anything from it BECAUSE they're just so fucking used to the DOTA/LoL model of things, and have been for years, whereas HotS is fairly new in comparison.
So essentially, I feel HotS is too different from the norm, that people need their hand helf through it and shit, they need to do more to increase the general populace's game knowledge, because people are so hard headed and used to the LoL way of things, they kind of need it at this poinr.
>>164251768
Yeah, recently played him through the depths and he's fine. Just have to hope your team doesn't fall too far behind in the first 10 minutes.
>muh counters
Uh, I didn't have a single Johanna or Li-Li blind my brand until a ways into Diamond.
Xul was definitely the occasional pain, though.
>>164251824
HotS does everything in its power to hide the stats and numbers from you though.
Zero ability to check your own hero stats.
Zero ability to check your teammates' numbers.
Zero ability to check your enemies' numbers.
Somehow, HotS manages to make displaying shit like HP/mana regen per second take up half of the goddamn screen.
>>164252063
They show hero/siege/xp/role which other games don't do during the game.
>>164252285
Not terribly useful information, though.
>guys look i'm top experience
>fuck you uther stop split-pushing
We don't even have a real in-game match history for fucks sake.
>>164252634
That was besides the point. >>164252063 states "HotS does everything in its power to hide the stats and numbers from you though." whereas the stats it does show is optional from a developer's view.
>>164252063
I guess what I mean to say is that people need Blizzard to hold their hand and tell them which heroes are weak early game vs. those who are either strong or moderate early game, and generally when to soak, how to play around losing objectives, etc. Because like I said, HotS is too different from the norm, I feel people NEED that handholding shit. In other mobas, you just farm fucking gold, buy early to mid to late game items (And they do make it obvious whether they're early, mid or late game) and teamfight, then just go down a lane and shit together after you've won fights
In HotS, there's multiple kinds of people. The kind of people who think the objective is everything, the kind of people who think everyone needs to be with the objective, pushing it or defending against it, the kind of people who think kills yields more exp than minion waves, etc. Because the main focus of the game was taken form just farming gold and split up amongst several other things, this has left people incredibly divided in their perception of what HotS really is and how to play it, and the fact they don't hold your hand and tell you which heroes are weaker early game and scale best and whatnot, doesn't help that at all and only makes things worse.
>>164252285
>They show hero/siege/xp/role which other games don't do during the game.
Only in the Tab screen which again, takes up all of the goddamn screen so checking on them for half a second becomes a major problem..
>>164252693
>optional from a developer's view.
Well they're fucking wrong, especially when it has a shitton of mechanics in the gameplay to care about despite selling itself as casual.
Remind me why people stopped playing alarak?
>inb4 easy to kill l2p noob
>>164252762
>hots is so casual they don't even tell you useful stats
>what i actually meant was that it's a very complicated game that i need to hold my hand more
???????
>>164133028
Kerrigan legendary skin had voice lines meant to respond to d.va, shes only a matter of time
>>164253443
Not easy to play.
That didn't stop Li-Ming from having a 100% pick/ban rate, though.
>>164149989
they're fighting over varian
>>164253583
Ming is hard to play when your opponents wisen up to your bullshit, which happens around Grandmaster, roughly.
Before that, it's fire and forget all your shit on cooldown and do it righty again when someone dies, even if you never so much as grazed them.
"not easy to play" means fucking jackshit when everyone is a vegetable.
>>164255347
She only begins to have a positive win rate after Master, though.
It's like 40% down in Bronze, Silver and Gold.
>>164255616
probably because you actually need teammates to zone for you and take objectives which they wont do at low ratings
>>164255616
>Bronzies can't press buttons
Remember meme AA Jaina is a thing, and certainly not a thing you'll encounter in fucking Masters.
>>164255787
>jaina AA meme
what the fuck is this I've never seen it or even heard of it outside this board
>>164255905
Take whatever talents and don't do fucking jackshit. There, AA meme Jaina. Like I fucking know why this is a thing.
I mean, Frostbolt Machinegun is bad enough to be a meme, and that still works leagues better than fucking AA Jaina.
I mean, why the fuck even Jaina?
>>164256089
Kael'Thas can buff his AA with Verdant Spheres.
Chromie can go Bronze Talons with the same effect.
Li-Ming has Cannoneer.
Both Jaina and Gul'dan are the only mages that have no way whatsoever to buff their auto-attacks, and of both, Jaina is the cheaper one.
So maybe it's that?
>>164251824
>they need to do more to increase the general populace's game knowledge
I don't really think the general populace of hots wants to be competitive. The biggest thing that hots has going for it is its niche of short game times; this brings in people who don't have a lot of time for the other, more complex mobas. and since they're not dedicating as much time, people likely don't care too much about being competitive, especially when the rewards for comp success kind of suck. what is it, a border, a hero icon, and an ugly mount?
>>164256784
The real problem is the completely broken MMR system which spreads these clueless faggots to all levels of play
>>164257537
I think the system is broken not because of the algorithm but because it's a dead game.
>>164257537
>make new account
>play 20 quick matches
>win 12
>go 6-4 in placements
>diamond 3
lmao maybe next season
>>164257537
I pointed this out a few months ago, and somebody responded by saying that, while going by individual-based MMR would be ideal, they simply can't purely because of the game's low player numbers. The queue times would be absolutely horribly all around. So basing matches on average team MMR is the next best thing and their only real option.
>See Tyrande go full AA
>Even the dog-shit Searing Arrows
>She's never of any use and at best, stuns one person
>We stomp effortlessly and win
No surprise the Tyrande was on the losing team. What a way to make a mediocre hero into useless-tier. Felt bad since it's Tyrande, but good stomping a shit player.
Anyone got any recommendations for good chairs forlaptop gaming?
>>164261936
>Laptop Gaming
Doesn't exist, as you still use a proper keyboard and mouse.
If you do that, might as well go for a better rig at a lower price.
>good chairs
I lie on my bed with a cat on my belly, what the fuck would I know you normie pansy.
>get stomped
>Great job. You only died 6 time while the average is 7
>please rate your connection
>>164263387
>connection was excellent
>give it a 1 star out of spite
>>164267118
>get dropped out of the match twice in a row
>spend half of it getting back in
>after wewin_I'm greeted with "did you rike it?"
>>164267118
I wonder if they get anything useful out of those rating things
>>164267285
>get disconnected for a less than a minute
>spend six getting back in
>>164267285
>>164267465
What kind of reconnect system is that anyways
I have never seen it in any other game
>>164268229
A lot if not most of the game data is loaded serverside, so when you reconnect it has to sync your client through all the data you missed to get back to current real time. It takes forever because while it's loading data from 1 minute ago it's constantly several seconds behind making reconnect time terrible.
It's a shitshow.
>>164267351
>playing murky
>"who would you rate the hero you just played"
>five stars
>get joy out of knowing that my rating is keeping Murky form getting reworked
>>164268447
But they nerfed his tentacle rape.
Murky's not the alturistic fish hero he once was.
>>164268229
It's the same system SC2 uses where it literally simulates everything from the start of the game using the replay file on your PC. For hots it's probably just asking the server for the replay info and using that to play out the game until you catch up
This is why reconnecting takes forever on slower PCs because they won't be able to replay the game at 8x speed or whatever the max is
>>164268447
>lose game
>rate 1 star
>win game
>rate 3-5 stars
>playing chromie
>pick temporal loop ulti
>use it on illidan who is jumping around
>the effect on the ground is not where illidan gets teleported to
>miss my combo thanks to it
>the clock effect was in the right position
FIX YOUR SHIT BLIZZARD
>playing gazlowe in QM
>nova in every game
>every game they do nothing but camp me so I can't do shit
feels bad, i just want master skin
Hey I need people to get the OW Oni skin add Popalock#1301 please
>>164269419
added you on asia
>>164269675
Thanks chink that really helps me out.
>promotion game
>our last pick keeps staying on raynor even though we obviously need a support
>enemy team picks raynor
>this piece of shit picks nova
yeah, fuck ranked
>>164271623
HL is a trap, anon.
>Solo in this total scam of a matchmaking system full of window lickers
Any sane man would pass.
>win a close game by lucking out and japing the whole enemy team on gazlowe
>next match my team is 4 assassins
>Hyperion CD gets reduced when Samuro clones despawn
>Hyperion benefits from all AA talents
B R O K E N
>>164232236
they're still good on cursed memes and junction
still not a good idea to pick them in any league under diamond
people are too fucking retarded to win the game in under 15 minutes with tlv on their team
>be 4 levels ahead
>enemy core is open, enemies dead for 40s
>they start pinging camps
>guess what, we lost
>>164272756
It's actually not-so shit now. Amazing!
Also you need a certain talent for the "Hyperion CD gets reduced when Samuro clones despawn"
>>164273058
Sure but still.
>>164272756
>despawn
Get killed and it means not picking fucking Nexus Frenzy for 40% higher attack range.
>Hyperion
While it does, it's not nearly as broken as you pretend. Hyperion was always a non-issue unless you're fighting over a static objective or there's a giant push against a fort/keep, where there's simply no way for it not to do something, and that pansy ass AA bonus doesn't really do a whole lot as it's still on a 90 seconds cooldown.
It honestly just shows that they could stand to buff it in general, though I'd prefer the Banshee's getting some love, and Raynor actually getting a proper third skill instead.
>>164272756
Yeah, but then you lose Nexus Frenzy. I hope they don't fuck Jimmy when they fix his bugs.
>earthquake
>bloodlust
^ Make these shit again, please.
>>164273232
>Bloodlust
It's cool. If they're obviously going for a Bloodlust comp, counterpick and get attack slows and blinds/hard CC.
Buff Ancestral again, so it can heal yourself, so they're a bit more balanced.
A reduction to just 25%/->50% lifeleech wouldn't break the ult again, I'd be down for that, if it HAS to be nerfed.
>Earthquake
It was always good, Sundering was just better. The nerf to Sundering in combination with Earthquake triggering your trait just amplified that. Sundering is still good, but Earthquake can finally shine as people actually fucking use it.
I would not nerf Earthquake, just buff Sundering back to it's original values. I mean, even if you reverted the EQ changes, it'd still be baller, but not baller enough for people to regularly pick it and for you to complain as a consequence of that. Earthquake is fine, really.
>>164273589
>Thrall has TWO good ultimates
>Kerrigan still has zero
>>164273589
>the two braindead/easy ults are better
can we just go back to rehgars mistiming their ancestrals and thralls completely missing sunders on key targets
instead of this braindead turbo shit we have now
>>164271623
Ranked is bad normally. It's even worse on the weekend. Add to that a Holiday weekend. You were playing with fire.
>>164273589
The problem with Earthquake is that is always up. They should increase the cooldown or make it so it doesn't start the cd until it disappears.
new year new guides
>>164274808
You forgot to add Diablo Apc and Tychus Odin with Raynor Hyperion flying overhead.
>>164274902
>Odin
STILL a bad choice.
Until they either give it more AA range or 50% DR, it's gonna be shit.
>>164274808
Rehgar is probably gonna be pretty good with Zul'Jin since he seems totally right-click based
And then you can just throw Thrall in there too
>>164274963
Not when you have Bloodlust and both of his ults are situational. Laser is usually better but Odin has it's place on certain maps or vs certain comps.
>>164274963
>That one top-tier Asian Tychus player that always takes Odin
or
>Random anon bronze nigger that says Odin is shit
Mhmm.
>>164275104
Nigger there's a high GM player who only takes Hinterlands on Falstad.
Are you going to say Hinterlands is now good?
>>164275315
He's probably talking about in the pro-scene, but both of Tychus's ults are good and have their place.
>>164275315
You build a team for Odin like you build a team for Illidan or Hammer. Drill is the default ult, but Odin comboed with other shit is a terror.
>>164275823
Or if it's just on Infernal Shrines. I remember when Tychus was considered bad he was picked on that map because of Odin.
>>164275912
AOE is also good.
>>164275410
I know he was, but "x MUST be good because y player does it" is literal bronzie logic.
>>164276074
>faggots that think of talents like "X is my favorite build" instead of "x talent is good against the enemy comp/in my own comp"
sub-dirt league, looking at you mfshittertime
>>164276693
Wrong thread.
How did he grow an arm back?
>>164277245
This is Zul'jin from Warcraft 2.
>>164277245
It's him before he lost the arm.
If all the characters were up to date, half of them would be dead and rag would be dead with legs.
>>164277245
He didn't, this is Zul'jin from WC2. His WoW self may be a skin in the future, nobody knows, but either way he's moreso meant to represent the Troll axe throwers from WC2.
>>164276942
Ah, thanks.
>>164277245
His Warcraft kit would've made for a pretty dull Hero.
Today, January 1st 2017, marks the first day I've ever logged on and found the Win 3 games quest and completed the whole thing in three QM games as opposed to 5 QM games and an AI game.
>>164277898
Your year is going to be great. What a good sign.
>>164277898
You've already hit the high point. The rest of the year it's just down hill from here.
post em
>>164279415
>can't hide my pre-fix Training matches
>>164279415
>tfw getting raped the entire game
>wipe them once
>win game
feels great
>search ingame for "jimmy"
>comes up with raynor
>search ingame for "warcraft iii the frozen throne wrath of the lich king undead lord"
>comes up with anub'arak
>>164281514
>search for "god"
>ETC only hero
based
>>164280557
>>164281514
>anub'arak
>playing mehdiv in QM
>having fun
>also losing every game
>>164282980
>HotS
>Fun
Lies.
>>164280557
>>164282980
>dying as medivh
hahahahah how the fuck is that even possible
just turn into a bird and fly away caw caw nigga
Since we're being drowned in Warcraft assassins, Gorefiend when?
When are they gonna make it so Medivh's seperate portals from the Lv1 talent are a seperate skill so it feels less awful to use?
go ahead and die idgaf anymore
>>164286612
eff u
Can I do well just autistically playing Azmo and laneboaring?
>>164287538
Not above plat, no.
Maybe not even then.
>>164283602
>inb4 specialist
>>164187376
>shoulder pads aren't insanely huge
>actually looks nice
>>164288414
We need to go bigger.
havent played samuro since release.
should i go for burst one shot build with phantom pain and harsh wind or does the default hotlsog build is always superior?
also i see everyone takes bladestorm right now have they nerfed the clones ult?
>>164133584
>dehaka
>tier 1
Holy shit did his changes really do that much for him?
>>164292113
He was already strong at the time of his buffs.
>>164292202
I know but it felt like he was secret OP but now it just seems so fucking crazy even considering some of the stuff that made him good before got nerfed
>>164273198
you are fucking retaded mate, raynor is completely broken and he has the winrate to prove it.
What's the going raynor build?
>>164292930
seasoned marksman and hyperion. then whatever other autoattack enhancing abilities i forgot. the one that does max health for sure.
>>164292930
sm
focused attack
whatever
hyperion
whatever
giant killer
whatever
>>164292747
That's because the meta has shifted and there's lots of tanks running around, which Tychus and Raynor can punish. That's why his winrate is higher than before.
But sure, chalk it up to some minor bug, that's the bronze/reddit way of complaining, a character cannot be good because of the circumstances, he has to be broken or I'M the shitty player losing to him!
Seriously, get good.
>>164293328
>minor bug
>>164273198
>>164293328
>embarrassing yourself this bad
hyperion not only gets the bonus from seasoned marksman, not only gets bonus from giant killer, but its fucking peashots count as raynors auto attacks when taking into account focused attack. meaning you will be critting every shot on everyone as long as hyperion is hitting at least 2 targets (minions and structures count as well)
post your rank you uninformed shitter
>>164293779
GM #1 on NA, now you :)
how good is illidan in hero league?
asking for a friend
>>164293860
>>164271623
I won my promo from plat to diamond with no support because the guy who was supposed to support decided we needed a Nova, i don't know how we won that. I guess anything can happen in HL
>>164294223
Low diamond is full of people with previous moba/similar game experience but no awareness
Experienced gankers have a field day in this game.
How do I build cigar spinny gun guy?
>4am last night, still drunk after NYE party
>hey i should play hero league
>enemy team first picks murky
>im last pick, we need a support
>picked nova
>we won
being drunk didnt justify this
if it's so wrong why does it feel so good
>>164190553
Leeroy Jenkins as a ret paladin.
>>164298740
Was he a ret? I thought he was a warrior for some reason.
Didn't even know this was a thing.
Anyone else ever see this?
>>164292113
Yes, but a lot of people are bad and don't know how to build him
>>164297495
what cigar spinny guy? nobody has a cigar in this game, wouldn't be fit for the children goy
>be Guldan
>4v5, we're going to push enemy core
>edge of my seat
>5% HP
>enemy Graymane leaps on me
>teleport away
>he gets blown up by my team and I'm laughing at fountain while we win
>whispered enemy graymane "baited :-)"
gotta love these moments
>>164300093
Tychus
>>164300093
>high noon man from Blizzard's most recent title is allowed to have a cigar in full view
>tychus, the guy whose signature trait was to have a cigar in his mouth during the entirety of WoL, isn't allowed to have a cigar in HotS
what are they doing
>>164300691
is overwatch playable in china / korea?
>>164300691
thats because in the future, the cigars won't have tobacco.
>>164299067
They were in UBRS and had to beat the meme whelps to get to a boss from which he needs shoulders for healing.
>>164300774
i'm fairly certain it is
why do you ask? do they actually censor anything other than bones over there?
>>164300774
Playable like you can turn it on, or playable like it's not filled with rampant hackers that bliz wont do anything about?
>>164301170
this retarded censorship usually happens because of asia
Riot does it too
>>164132808
>Maverick: it's amazing how shit our teamcomp is
>be support
>diablo on enemy team
>squishy is out of position, diablo getting closer and closer
>cleanse
>watch diablo awkwardly move forward instead of charging
>squishy is no longer out of position, diablo lost half his HP
ayyy playing support has its moments
>stuck in plat 4-5 for a long time
>fuck it i'll just shit on this season and play nova
>got to plat 1 in 2 days
lmao retards just can't help overextending early game
>ragnaros thinks he's some sort of raid boss on lane
>pushes all day like a retard
>objective up
>ragnaros stays on lane and keeps pushing
why are all ragnaros players so incredibly shit?
>massive level advantage
>he picks lava wave on a 2 lane map
>>164250954
>The thing i liked about league is that every player tries to improve and become better.
you can't possibly be talking about LoL
>>164292084
>phantom pain
Crushing blows
>>164303518
The good thing I'm seeing about Rag players is that they are starting to see that Sulfuras Smash is fucking strong.
When he was released like 90% of people would go Lava Wave without a second thought
>>164304121
>Crushing Blows
Burning Blade.
Place yer bets
>>164303518
>he doesn't pick lava wave on braxis
>>164304204
I still pick lava wave on large maps/braxis because it's still fucking insane.
He's just like Thrall, has two fantastic ultimates but one is more situational than the other.
>>164300364
>Thrall
>Rehgar
>Li-Ming
>Picture from a year ago, still accurate
Fucking Blizzard balance
>>164303518
Wouldn't having less lanes be a better reason to take Lava Wave if you have a real push comp?
Push one lane with heroes, push the other with lava wave.
>>164305234
>Nova vs Chromie
>two healers vs one for the two warriors
I'm going with blue.
>>164306507
>Two healers.
?
>>164306507
>two healers
>>164306687
Malf and Rexxar
>>164306910
yeah, they have no chance with an OP healer like Rexxar on the enemy team
>>164306910
mhm
>>164306507
Correct! Blue won.
>>164307168
Double healer meta was always secret OP.
im in my placements in hero league.
i just played a game where my 4 teammates were diamond. the enemy team had 1 diamond and 4 platinums.
their reghar chose ancestral healing.
wtf is with this games matchmaking?
>>164307631
>posting animu
THIS IS A GARITHOS BOARD
GAS THE WEEBS
>>164307631
>wtf is with this games matchmaking
too many queues, too few players
>>164307631
Matchmaking doesn't work on dead games.
Basically pub 2fort tier in skill variance.
>>164304440
>burning blade
bronze
>only 1k games played
>constantly matched against people with 3k+ games
why
>>164308496
Burning Blade is taken more at every level and Crushing Blows is the clear lowest one.
People like you are the reason people think Samuro is bad.
>>164308073
I N H U M A N
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>>164308603
>what is mmr
>>164309274
it would be understandable if both teams were of like skill but i constantly get matched with 300 game shitters
>>164309740
It's possible to have a Diamond MMR within a few dozen games/wins.
Also keep in mind matchmaking rules are likely loosened for unranked games.
This weekly Brawl really shows how much fun teamfights can be.
>>164271623
I've never lost a HL diamond game with nova. And most of the time I get MVP. But I'm pretty much the best nova on north America. Nobody gives her a chance, wants to grind the games to git gud. North America is the biggest fotm abusing region by far. Point is if you're raging because of a pick you were already reducing your chances of winning. My winrate when happy is nearly 100%, but when I'm a little bitch like you were being its horrible. Chill out anon.
>>164311370
>queue up
>shit comp
>get rolled
>queue up
>good comp
>roll them
Huh. It's just like almost every other game mode.
>playing a QM
>some tracer keeps pinging me constantly
>after it's obvious we have lost, start standing around just throwing globes at minions
>pinging intensifies
>tracer dies again
>suddenly pings stop
>ask for more pings
>someone who queued with him said he ragequit
>tracer is afk at fountain
kek
>>164310423
thats thaddeus you idiot
>>164313034
Perhaps you're thinking of this guy?
>>164313117
How many times are we going to do this?
What if Bloodlust made basic abilities cool down faster instead of lifesteal?
New year's reminder that Valeera is our next hero to battle in the nexus.
>>164313943
what if they made it shit again so people had to take the ult that is possible to fuck up
>>164313949
nice
>>164313949
>another warcraft hero
>another assassin
>a faggot rogue
would be nice if we got literally anything else instead
>>164311687
>enemy team has a healer
>your team has none, because you have nova instead
>chill out anon
>ur toxic
fuck off loser
>>164314250
i'd just love to see reddit blow up over another warcraft hero desu
>>164313949
literally wrong, zul'jin is next
>>164314426
>literally acting out the definition of narrow-minded
>>164313949
I hate artists who have literally never seen a pair of real human breasts, so they draw them like solid clay masses. This is how you draw big breasts in armor
>>164314426
just curious but what mmr/rank
>>164314791
remember to account for 4chan inflation
diamond = gold
gold = bronze
silver = unranked
Why don't people pick Way of Illusion for Samuro? Let's face it, Samuro's a late game carry, and his early game is ass regardless of which of his level 1 talents you pick. Way of Illusion scales better than Way of the Blade, and it's not even difficult to stack.
>>164315023
>Way of Illusion scales better than Way of the Blade
>flat damage scales better than increased chance to crit and increased crit damage %
Man public education really is under funded.
>>164315005
is it actually difficult to believe random anon is diamond
considering how much of a mixed bag of nuts P1 through D3 is
>>164314503
You're as dumb as a bag of rocks, anon.
>>164315005
What if I said plat?
>>164315576
Is it easy to believe the average 4channer makes $100k a year, has an 8 inch penis, is 6'2", is high ranked in every game he plays? Because this is the average information you collect depending on what board we're talking about.
>>164315625
no, valeeranon is
https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/813806684376154112
see, zul'jin
not valeera
>>164315746
Telling the truth
>>164315912
You're either pulling off a jolly faux oblivious nerd on me, or you're truly challenged.
>>164315797
>all but salary is spot-on
feels kind of okay desu
>>164315746
then I'd say you're still at a point where nobody can play and picks matter, but also don't
i've actually seen more games lost by teams without healers down there just because they don't expect teams to plow right into them
questionable sample size though because people freak out if there isn't a dedicated support/healslut
tldr have a small pool of heroes that aren't complex, preferably strong then just focus on improving the fundamental things
>>164315912
>alarak couldn't kill chromie
man, bronze is tough
>>164315374
You are not making the connection that the increased %-damage and extra crit rate has to be better than a flat 40 increase on every auto attack (and 60 on every crit, not counting any other multipliers). Maybe WoB edges it out very slightly at some extreme late game level that nobody gets to (I tested it out at 30 and couldn't even tell the difference), but certainly not at level 20, at which a fully-stacked WoI is better.
Way of Illusion has been shown to basically be better from the moment you complete the quest.
>>164318180
>you have to spend time completing that shit quest
>you have to drastically reduce your merc camp clearing speed
>implying you'll just be AAing enemy heroes, not bursting them with 2x crits +1 hopefully another one with way of the blade, all of which is increased by 25% of your BA damage
i mean i guess you can pick WoI if you're retarded
>>164318180
Maybe you're right, but what >>164318576 said is correct. Burst is much better than sustained dps, which you said yourself isn't much better super late game. (Unless you're a ranged character who can burn down a tank with sustained dps)