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>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Latest patch: http://www.dota2.com/700
New players: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/
Wiki: http://www.dota2.gamepedia.com/
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/
Lore: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923
Guides: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides
Cosmetic simulator: http://dotaloadout.com/
Competitive Scene: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page

>STATISTICS
Competitive DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.datdota.com/
DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.dotametrics.wordpress.com/
Personal statistics: http://www.dotabuff.com/
Personal statistics#2: http://www.opendota.com/ (formerly yasp.co)
Hero stats: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/heroes/herodata/
Hero and DPS calculator: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/

>NEWS & STREAMS
http://www.joindota.com/
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first for valve coding
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reminder that every hero can build arcane boots, and veil for ebin magic damage playstyles
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is Crystal "Maiden" the most horrible title given to someone in dota land?
this "Maiden" doesnt look like a maiden to me , hell Lina the Slayer is more of a maiden compared to this slut.
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post em
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>>164027873
Meme sneeper
Veil atos mjol eul eblade.
Force anyone that tries to manfight you to stand in shrapnel for fucking ever with sick 360 no scopes.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/5kwwd6/full_translation_of_lgdruru_scandal/

Holy fucking shit
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>game stars
>guy laning with me
>suddenly disconnects
>poor network conditions detected

fuck this game man with the amount of shit it deserve to die already
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>tfw winning all of my calibration games
What MMR do you guys think I'll get?
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What do you get for a mana item on ck? Echo seems okay but going straight AS seems superior.
Drums?
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>>164028162
what do you mean 360 no scopes?
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>>164028274
valve will do nothing and they probably knew that slut had the key. As usual shit happens and gaben doesn't care
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>>164028274
thanks based reddit spy
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>>164028370
echo
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>>164028274
how can a hot girl be such an evil ceo?
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>>164028401
>He doesn't know
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>>164029035
>got special API key.
>team got invited to Boston.
REALLY MAKES ME THINK.
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>>164029086
lol
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>>164028401
Popping euls while in your own shrapnel to prevent your death.
Carry tries to smash you, veil, shrapnel, atos, Euls self or euls self atos after they try to escape.
The term itself is a meme new friend.
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>>164028614
>Valve bans Ruru and LGD from all Dota stuff
>Ruru uses her contacts/cuck ex-husband in Perfect World
>Valve gets banned from China or put through a shitton of nasty hurdles if they want Dota/Steam to stick around

You have to play nice with Perfect World if you want to operate in China. The market is too big and too profitable to worry about some cunt with contacts and a grudge against you.

I'm not defending Valve. There are a couple of ways to punish/stop this kind of thing, but why would they aggravate someone who has their balls in a vice?
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>>164028715
Always armlet afterwards? Or can skip and go mjol? I hate being pigeon holed into the same two items because muh illusions.
Do illusions get the echo proc?
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>>164029358
then go to the 2nd known chink game handler or whatever you call it
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>>164028139

How'd I do.
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>pick troll warlord
>enemy team last picks bane for ebin bkb piercing stun
>he buys 6 clarities and does nothing but cast enfeeble on me nonstop in lane
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whats the hero to spam forr mmr this patch guys?
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>>164028370
>drums
>mana item
no matter how many changes it goes through that never ceases to be a funny joke.

Soul ring early game into -> echo saber should cover your mana needs till the very very lategame
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>>164029709
""""supports""" who ruin other people's lane should not be allowed I mean they are called supports and not game ruiners
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>>164029709
I don't think there's a more satisfying level 25 talent than giving some a reverse Rapier

Seriously hope your carry bought all damage items because that shit is no joke
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>>164029841

Drums has always been a mana item. What are you on about? Now it's even more so because of the mana regen.
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>Chinese dota fans are already suspecting if LGD has some secret deal to Valve so that Valve send LGD to Boston.

>Mfw I joked LGD paid to get play in Boston
>mfw they probably did
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>>164029647
There is none. It's perfect world or nothing. At least until Alibaba get into the dota/gaming scene more. All esports and stuff are overseen by ACE, which are buttbuddies with Perfect World as far as I know. People literally need a "perfect world id number" if they want to play dota, possibly even for steam as well.
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>>164030049
Valve has literally cancelled both Halloween and Christmas to favor chinks it'd be no surprise to know they did things like this. I mean they gave a Major to China and it somehow went worse than you'd expect but they'll probably get another one next year cause they need them chink moneys.
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>>164030049
I hope you're joking

valve would never take money from LGD, they'd do it for free
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>>164028325
go to opendota and see if your team or opponents estimated mmr show up and you will have a feel
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>>164029526
Arlmet a shit on CK and has been for quite a while, its just one of those "classic" builds that people don't really bother trying to improve or adapt to patches because it does well enough.
Treads>Soul Ring>Mealstrom/Echo saber>Maelstrom/Echo->mjorn> depends on the game (BKB if needed/SnY/Manta/MKB/Aghs/OC/Skadi whatever)

The thing about CK right now is that he is insanely tanky with 2.9 STR gain, his illusions only take 200% damage, his main weakness used to be being unable to farm well, now that illusions gain flat attack speed you can solve that issue with a malestrom->mjorn while also giving them an insanely cost effective DPS increase (before 7.0 you would have ot buy AGI items to gain attack speed, which suched shit for STR illusion heroes)

>>164029985
>drums 1780 gold +6 INT
>null talisman 470 gold +6 INT
Drums used to be a mana item like litreally 3 years ago, its INT bonus got nerfed again and again but people never seemed to catch on.
New drums is slightly better than what we had for the past two years, but as a "mana item" its still a flat out joke since Soul Ring exists.
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Am I retarded for being on a 16:10 resolution? I was fiddling with settings and I can see more of the map on 16:9, or the UI seems to be better proportioned or something.
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>>164029035
I wish I could punish her with my dick
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>>164029035
>chinese boyface
>hot
PICK ONE AND ONLY ONE
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>Won 6 games in a row today
>tfw just lost my first game
forced 50 has finally come for me guys
i don't want to play dota anymore today
i'm not in the mood to lose another 6 games in a row right now
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Anyone tried playing carry treant? It's fucking insane
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>>164028274
>LGD had access to private matches
>still bad team
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>never play arc warden b4
>watch like 5 mins of replay of him
>try him out
uh is this hero broken?
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>>164033286
>battlefury antimage
>dragon lance templar
>first item blademail pudge
he's not broken per se. the 2k shitters in your bracket just don't know how to deal with him
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>>164030347
Why is armlet shit though?
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>>164033503
>battlefury antimage
?
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>>164033648
battlefury anti-mage doesn't win you games in 7.00
maelstrom into a later skati is the new build
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>>164030347
Thanks for the surprising informative post ck anon. Funnily enough that build even works as a slow build for ck support. He's honestly in a really good position this patch as a hero that can still be quite effective early and not entirely item dependant
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>>164033648
With the new retarded jungle camps not bf is not as good as it used to be

I played a radiance naga and i was surprised how fucking slow the farm was
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>>164029035
>she'll never involve you in her devious plans
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>>164030347
Thoughts on HOTD ck?
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>>164034204
>Farming
>In League of the Smash Dota Bros 2

You'll teamfight for 40 minutes and you'll like it retard, just wait till they buff Urn, Mek and Greaves to encourage more deathball teamfights
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>when you choose support because no one else is but then the two stack that's playing with you decides to both play support

good stuff

great stuff
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>>164034301
hotd is the new meme item to buy on every carry
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Help me d2g/

>I'm usually used to support and safelane carry since I started to play arund 2 yers ago
>Don't play for around 5 months and once I discovered the news of new patch I came back right away
>Decided to learn to offlane properly since is supposed to be the most satisfying role
>Realize that I don't have enough mechanical skill to actually survive and resort to use clutch offlaners like Nyx and NS

Is there a guide or a d2g/ approved video to help me dominate my offlane? Shit usually goes like this.

>If trilane I usually get kited and denyied out of exp range and have to resort to stack the jungle camps and try not to die while the safelaner gets free farm
>If normal duo lane I can't seem to be able to get a sucesfull lane aggro going on because of the support completely fucking me up
>Die one or two times and if I feel like I will just keep dying just go somewhere else and lose my tower

I'm willing to give away a 3.5k MMR account for somebody to help me. Suscribe to my blog etc.
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So I read in this thread why bf on am is bad, but I still don't know why armlet on ck is bad. Explain pls
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>>164034558
if you're playing a solo offlane you're not expected to dominate it
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>>164034570
It's not bad though. It's a cheap and effective way to get a bunch of extra tankiness on your illusions if you use armlet before popping your ulti. It's even better now that CK has innate lifesteal built into his passive.
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>>164034641
>you're not expected to dominate it
You mean by people that think logically expect you to not dominate it.
88% of this community will blame you for the free farm carry and you getting dived by a trilane when they never carried tps and never swapped lanes to prevent that shit from happening.

I miss when you could expect people playing a game to at least have working knowledge of how the game worked. Now you have to expect that everyones a fucking moron.
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>>164034950
>implying that 88% of the community isn't trash
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>>164034825
>ck now has 65% lifesteal built into passive crits
Holy fuck i didn't even see this.
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>>164034825
This guy says that is it shit though >>164030347
I am confused now
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>>164034558
Maybe go back to LoL where offlaners are designed to "dominate" the offlane, here in Dota if you get a kill in the offlane it's because the safelane is full on retarded, no offlaner has any business being able to last hit let alone dominate a lane unless of course you play a good Dark Seer and lane solo against melee have fun hitting into that double shell super Radiance at 4 minutes faggot
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>carries cucked
>dead thread

rmyt
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>>164035136
>>164034950
>>164034641

It's not that I want to "dominate" the lane per se. The thing is that I don't feel like im hindering or disruptng the enemy carry farm enough to actually make a difference or being able to force a rotation allowing me to last hit a bit more reliably. Pretty much what I need to actually understand is:

>How to go offlane and not feed like a motherfucker because of the enemy supports
>Force supports to rotate

I alredy have farming habits and map awareness but I feel like even when I have a 8 minute midas or any important item as an offlaner I can't do anything noteworthy to fuck the enemy carry because they have a security detail around them or my teamates refuse to gank becaues of muh farming.
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>>164033639
The main issue with armlet is that what it does isn't actually what CK needs.
Armlet gives you 500 HP, 25 AS, 65 damage and 5 armor, illusions get 500 HP, 25 AS and 25 damage, its a cost effective midgame damage and tankiness item, but a midgame CK is going to have around 2k hp anyway, and a CK with level 1 ult + luck/level 2 ult is really not going to actually even notice the damage difference that much, after all 3 CKs hitting you for 200 damage and critting for 600 are going to melt you one way or the other, you don't need the armlet to fight midgame, it's nice to have but if you play a few games while skipping it you will notice that it's not actually that necessary.

What CK needs is a way to beef up his illusions for lategame, and to do that he needs gold. With the changes to illusions and Echo Saber being added as an item, its far more effective to just rely on those for your damage midgame and focus on getting gold and items for latemgame, mjorn being an incredible DPS item while also solving your farming issue somewhat is just what you need.

To reitirate, armlet gives your illusions tankiness and midgame damage, but thats not actually something CK needs that bad, the ability to farm and do damage lategame is far more important.

>>164034301
Used to be better, personally I don't think it's worth it with the jungle changes and changes to the dominator itself, CKs crit lifesteal is too unreliable to just shift click yourself through the jungle while farming an empty lane with a creep
malestrom/mjorn won't really let you clear ancient stacks and it doesn't build into satanic anymore
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>>164035585
sometimes you just cant

sometimes you'll get very hard lanes like shadow shaman/crystal maiden and a carry like sven or wraith king

the types of lanes where the best thing you can do is sap what exp you can and defend the tower whenever the lane pushes in

if you're playing a solo offlane, you really should choose a hero that can farm side camps, never miss your bounty rune, and if you can, steal their safelane jungle bounty.
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>>164035585
>can't gank the enemy carry

If you can't gank them, fucking outfarm them and become the carry.
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>playing against someone with Asian characters for their usernme
>they get ganked
>they start spamming all chat in Spanish
nice game dotards
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>>164035756
Nice thx
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>>164035585
>>How to go offlane and not feed like a motherfucker because of the enemy supports

That depends entirely on how good the supports are at zoming. Sometimes they'll be "supports" that steal last hits, push the lane in your favor and other shit you make your life easier. Other times you're way outside XP range because of an Oracle with Drow Aura making space. Best thing you can do is buy Stout Shield, get yourself an early ring and make Tranquils early for XP sapping.

>Force supports to gank

You can't unless the enemy is bad. Offlane isn't something you can just be "really good" at, it used to be called the suicide lane for a reason before they made it into GoodSafelane with camps and Talon.

You're there because chances are you can not die long enough to become effective with your skills not your farm. "winning" the offlane is not dying once and then ganking successfully with your levels. Anything else is the other laner being bad, winning so hard you force supports to rotate isn't gonna happen unless that person is bad enough to lose the offlane (in which case you've won the lane anyways).
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>>164029976
Never realized that Bane looks like concept art from The Thing.
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>>164035942
Fuck the white man. Everything good in dota was invented by the yellow man. Valve has destroyed it all for the white man's teamfighting entertainment.
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>>164035585
Depends on your MMR, but the "easiest" way is to pick heroes that other players don't respect or who can do really well with relatively little gold.

Weaver/Clinkz being the prime examples, a level 3 weaver can easily get a kill on a lion/cm/ss/whatever if they don't respect how much -armor Swarm gives them and even if that fails weaver can always fuck off to do hard camps to camps to catch up on gold and again because of swarm do a lot of damage midgame without actually needing that many items.
Clinkz just needs level 6 to do 250 damage per right click with 250 attack speed to boot, the second a support thinks "oh clinkz doesn't have orchid I'll be fine walking around alone" you just 3 click their ass.

If you want to dominate in the offlane, pick heroes that have amazing midgame kill potential due to their skills and rely on the enemy teams mistakes to shine, if you don't want to rely on the enemy team being dumb then you have to pick a safer hero, but a safe hero doesn't dominate, that's just the way the game works.
Oh and try to avoid heroes like tidehunter, while they can win you games if your team follows up properly to a well timed ravage, if you are soloquing then its a crapshoot and you will just be frustrated and being unable to do anything other than set up kills that your teammates never claim.
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why do people keep saying carries are fucked over
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>>164037043
because the jungle is shit and getting a radiance or battlefury gets you a fraction of the farm you usually got
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>>164036380
>>164036094
>>164035857
>>164035932

That's some sound advice alright. Thank you for the advice you guys. I will return around 4 or 5 PM to give away the account. I'm such a scrub I was 4k for some weeks and fell right back into 3.5 because I spent hours playing while tilted
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>>164035418
>rmyt
what do you mean
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I am going to list some supports I play and then you guys tell me if they are shit supports for this patch so far. I am a newer player and I just feel like I don't do much playing this particular heroes.

>1 Ancient Apparition
Probably my favorite support to play but from what my friends tell me, he is too passive and needs farm but can't farm quickly. So you end up in this weird position where if you do poorly then you are basically a non factor the whole game with no method of catch up.

>2 Shadow Shaman
I like playng him a lot as well. The problem is that he is squishy and short range and requires god tier positioning. Like how can you position well in this patch when everyone can jump you so quickly and probably kill you in one shot?

>3 Ogre Magi
I hear he is good because he is tanky and can fight early and blood lust is borderline broken apparently if you max it.

>4 Treant
I like playing treant a lot as well but my friends hate when I play him because they say he is too passive. Like sure you have a bash gimmick but that is about it. He isn't particularly fast and can't really be a core. You can't not get living armor so you can't play the more aggressive leech seed build. I like him but he is another hero that may be shit?

enlighten me on these supports. Particularly AA because he is my favorite.
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>>164037043
my list of reasons carries are cucked
>jungle spawns nerfed in 7.00
>jungle bounties nerfed in 6.84
>kill aoe gold buffed in 6.82
>kill exp buffed recently
>shrines that allow constant ganks
>towers falling too fast
>games snowballing to 20 min ends
>a single kill allows the enemy team to get tons of gold despite not farming any creeps all game
>carries can't carry against teams that run at them
>ganking playstyles trump all the others especially carrying and only memepushing comes second
>support pudges hooking heroes 3 times his networth and solo killing them
>brain dead heroes like slark, PA, huskar, sniper, drow and pudge are stronger than heroes that require skill to play such as visage and chen
>buying an early midas means you lose because the enemy team will snowball and roll you over and end the game by 20 minutes because you didn't buy instant memefighting items like drums or HOTD or sny or SHIT
>all carry players including rtz(lmao even this nigger) have been in pain since 6.81
>meme teamfights and run-at-face-as-five dota is constantly pushed as an agenda by that enslaved icefrog faggot so games are "entertaining"
>If you ganked a lane as 5 in the previous patches before 6.82, the other two lanes got more free farm and experience than you did, so people used to do it less. Those days the best you could do was 3 man gank another lane, which meant that individual skill mattered more than simply outnumbering the enemy
>Memefight deathball fangays will argue that outnumbering the enemy takes skill because 5 people are working together as a team. Somehow 5v1 actually takes skill because you're 5 people working together to rape someone?
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>>164037708
>AA
good if you get 6 (six) fast and ask your team to go as 5 and memefight with your ice blast
>Shaman
go as 5 and memepush
>Ogre Mcgee
good since you can cuck a carry out of levels and since jungle is nerfed they'll have a hard time getting levels
>Treant
good at setting up a pick off and helps you heal towers
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>>164038009

Why are people so salty about carries actually having to do shit now besides afk farm a jungle? Here is how it works.

Carries are late game. Everyones else is early or mid game.

If you can hold them off until late game, your chances of winning increases as time goes on. If they can end you before late game. Then you lose. Makes sense to me.

Why should the game always go late to benefit carries? It doesn't always end early either though. Basically, dota use to be about carries and everyone else is fodder. Now, carries have to play strategically because they can actually be fought or fucked with.
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>>164037708
I can tell you with impunity that all of the supports you listed are pub trash or extremely niche except for Treant. If you want to ladder (and have high impact, which is important for supports in lower brackets) I'd definitely recommend playing Lion, Venge, Abbadon, Dazzle, Omniknight and in some cases Warlock.
>1 Ancient Apparition
You and your friends correctly identified AA. He is best drafted with a second stun in the lane, either in a trilane or a stun-based carry (although his skillset lends itself almost entirely to trilanes.) It is very popular to get midas on this hero and engage in teamfights with your ult. I would recommend not doing this, but it does win a lot of games.
>2 Shadow Shaman
Positioning with SS is difficult. Get blink dagger or force staff, or both, these items are key on him. Thankfully, it is pretty easy to farm with Rhasta just remember not to take it from cores.
>3 Ogre Magi
I think this hero is pubby garbage but he does quite well with other supports and right-click based teams. He is a lane bully and later becomes a stun machine and buff dispenser. Worth learning but not mastering, at least not yet, in my opinion.
>4 Treant
Treant is not shit but he does rely a lot of your team not being a group of morons. I would not recommend learning him until you have a strong grasp of the role of support.

Basically, your effectiveness as Support is going to boil down to your game knowledge, map awareness, and your pick, not so much your skill with a particular hero. The heroes I listed above are versatile and useful in most situations and I'd learn them first, because they are good to know and learn the role with.
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>>164038134
cool story bro
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>outhealing sf's harass as bloodseeker
>outhealing literally everything that's not machinegun nukes or autoattack disabling
>run at squishy overextended shitballs aty the speed of fuck with phase drum

literal retard slayer
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>Buy an item off market
>Dota crashes and now my item is gone
>Valve won't answer my ticket for 2 days now

haha okay
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do people still do fan hero concepts like they used to in the allstars forum?
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>>164038763
Nothing comfier than Radiance into Heart Bloodseeker

>tfw bloodrage healing off 3 camps at once
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So why haven't you guys began to play skywrath core mid yet?
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man its tough to fap to Soe these days
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>>164039216
>skywrath

Cuckbird still sucks and only used as a cheese if you know the other team all drools from there mouth
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1k fag here, my goal is to reach 3.5k and then never touch dots again. How do I do this?
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is zai the kolento of dota2?

the kino is stronk
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>>164038592

What do you build as venge support? I have a hard time with starting items. Like what are a good set of starting items? I typically buy courier, tango, lace and whatever else I can afford like a clarity or something.
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>>164039326
you think 3.5k is any sort of an achievement?
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Where the fuck are my roster shuffles???
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>>164039432
There are people in this world who dream of migrating to uk to live in pakistan 2.0, havin 3.5k dream isnt that bad.
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>>164039432
From where I'm at now, yes.
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>Queue up for a game
>Wait 10 minutes
>Game starts with some fuccboi immediately raging at everyone and whining
>Goes AFK in 30 seconds

high mmr was a mistake
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>>164027717
>Try to come back after a year and a half
>over 10 minute wait time

dead game general?
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What position is she, 1st?
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>>164039401
Support is all about being efficient. Generally, I'll save my money to buy a courier, TPs, stick/wand and smoke. Boots first, arcane if you are single support or tranquils if you are roaming a lot. Venge has a very strong early game presence with negative armor and a powerful stun, so capitalizing on this is important. That being said, she's pretty much independent of gold. You want to be zoning out the enemy offlaner with negative armor and right clicks, then smoking/TPing to gank mid.
Anyways, if I'm having a hard time gaining gold and I have my upgraded boots and a magic wand, I'll start building force staff, then vlads and blink. If I gain a lot gold quickly, I'll usually start with blink and progress to aghas. You'll want to spend most of your gold on wards, sentries, smokes and tomes. For wins, I have regularly spent over 3000 gold on wards and sentries.
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>>164030181

Perfect World is hosting a DAC 2.0 this year.
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>>164040549
can't wait to see who gets fired now.
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>>164040387
Luna's only position is my face
I WANT TO SUFFOCATE UNDER HER
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>>164039216
>dota went to shit when they changed skeleton king's model
prove me wrong
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>>164038810
>Buy an item off market
this is where you went wrong retard
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>>164034558
Hey man since offlane is you alone vs the world you have to just spam the shit out of the heroes and learn THE HEROES perfectly to know their limits.
The second crucial aspect of being a good offlaner is DRAFTING

Also, as in general information, offlane heroes are lvl 6 reliant, all they need is lvl 6 to spread havoc, slardar (in a good line up only needs minus armor to make his right click cores monsters, only if they dont focus you do you ever use crush, you only amplify damage and get the fuck out with Q

Only after you get your blink that you start crushing, Q get the fuck out, wait for blink to come off CD again and reapeat

Clock, only need hookshot and gitting good to collect your free kill on mid

Bat, only need 6 to smoke gank

More gen info, you have to play smart, your job is to FUCK with the safelane's farm, to be a nuisance and NOT DIE

Side pull when the lane is too pushed, iron talon jungle if they trilane and TP in and pull aggro from tower and collect
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>>164041084
god you skeletalfags are worse than le Nevermore le Burizafags who cares if skeleton king got change to wraith king? its just pixels at the end of the day
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Anyone else surprised out how triggered people get over steam names in this game?

>be me change name to viva peru
>have a stronk southern American accent
>every game teammates flame me "fuck this Peruvian anon"
>thirty minutes in I speak and leave usually only one person playing without a headset on my team still screaming "fuck these Peruvians"

kek dotards usually this gullible?
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Has anyone ever successfully "reconditioned" themselves? What I mean is, have you ever overhauled your keybindings/item bindings/group control/camera control/ etc. in order to be a little bit more efficient?

I'm trying to learn micro heroes right now, but I've always (3k hours of Dota, plus ex-HONfag) had "1" as my hero and "2" as courier, and moving courier away from 2 is really screwing with my muscle memory. Item hotkeys are Alt+[Q,W,E,A,S,D] and that's just too many button presses to be quick on the draw, plus it pings the map if I'm spamming an item. I'm an autist and want all itemslots bound, but am struggling to find keyboard space.

>Just rebind everything and spam unranked games until you get used to it
I plan to, but I'm looking for any tips/tricks/good keybinds to speed things up. I literally bought C&C Tiberium wars to force myself to get better micro and expand my keyboard useage (no RTS experience of any sort)
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>>164041718
free EXP under tower you also need to git gud at last hitting under tower

Special case for timbersaw, if they have right clicky supports low on magic damage like venge, rubick (as opposite to warlock, CM) you can pick timbersaw max armor and not give a fuck about the world, get PMS and dive t1 at lvl5

Advanced tip:
Look at the ennemy carry's last hitting and look at his support harrassing you
The support wants you to let the carry free farm, the carry wants to free farm
The carry also wants to be near the creep whenever he can get the last hit
So whenever a creep is low and the carry needs to be near the creep to last hit, go aggro on the support so the carry has to choose between getting the last hit and punishing your aggressiveness. If they are dumb and don't understand what youre doing (ie below 5k) their cohesion with crumble and the support will go full (noob only farm farm) and the carry will go full (learn to position well noob gg end fast)
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WTF
there is dots under the reply rather than (you)

who thought up this stupid idea
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>>164042069
Closing thoughts, Offlane is about being a pain in the ass, not dominating the lane

- ward the pull camp so you get free EXP (thats priority one)
- pull the camp yourself to deny enemy farm
- go aggro or pretend to on support when the carry needs to stay and last hit
- if trilane, go to jungle with iron talon
- when trilane pushes, TP, draw aggro and CS

Offlane is essentially picrel
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Is it possible to turn off the auto lock combining when you disassemble an item?
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>>164040083
>enemy insta locks MK
>his teammates ragequits
>see 3 teammates marking the middle lane during the strategy phase
>one of them ragequits

LPQ is such a fucking joke
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>>164042562
how would that make any sense
you disassemble it and it instantly reassembles
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>>164042893
The item drops on the ground so you can pick up the one you want to reassemble.
Also, item models when?
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why has dota2 not gained any players due to the 7.0 launch? usually you see at least a temporary uptick when a major patch is released
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How do I play CM in pubs?
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Anyone else impatiently waiting for this cruel 7.0 joke to be over? Just restore 6.88 gameplay for fucks sake.
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>>164040083
>>164042868
Daily reminder that these people are fully aware of what they are doing and not only see nothing wrong with it, but think it's just a normal cultural aspect of gaming that everyone is in on in some way and that not being a cancerous inbred is anathema to their entire concept of what a video game is supposed to be.

Call of Duty was a mistake
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>it's another episode of "they're losing with a techies, so he's gonna put 500 remote mines in his last tier towers and we have no ranged carry to kill them"

30 minutes of my life wasted
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>>164044278
pugna can hit the rax
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>>164044337
Enemy team is composed of rubick, invo and AA.
Literally all had euls, any attempt to get close alone was met with stuns and CC into the mines.

And pugna has very short range.

Only my suicidal blademail charges and 3 man taunts got us trough the tower. We just let spectre be a sacrificial lamb and hit the barracks.
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>>164044208
get with the times gramps or go play wc3
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>>164037738
>Despite all this you still have to main carries to reliably climb MMR
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>>164041991
>change name to Nuke Peru
>people get mad and call me a Peruvian
>literally because they see "Peru" in the title

I was legitimately fucking baffled
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>>164044596
>>164044278
Look at this shit.
I annihilated his mines early game by not being retarded and simply facechecking and farming them.I shat down his throat in lane ganks. But then he had his revenge by gnawing away at my life with hid autistic impenetrable fortress.
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>>164044278
All Dire needed to do, was to start a deathball during laning, and not allow New Techies to get ahead.
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>>164043954
1-1-1 level 3.
then smoke and get a kill.
continue killing everything.
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>>164044278
>>164044596
I feel for them in a way, even if 2 of them were Dunning-Krueger shitter picks.

The only thing worse than 4 shitty teammates is 3 shitty teammates and a good Techies.
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>>164044278
you literally had pugna.
all he has to do is nether blast the tower down.
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>>164044994
I´m with this guy.
Auto attack -> Nova to get team into position or Frostbite -> Save Frostbite if you used Nova, or Nova to ensure the kill with the % movespeed slow

Its not hard.
Its basically playing Dazzle on steroids except you need to manage clarity regen to leverage your mana pool while smoking.
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>>164039326
Play a core position

Don't jungle from 00:00 as LC or Ursa or something retarded like that

Don't focus on your teammates being shit, focus on your own game and what you could be doing better.

Practice last hitting and learn to hit them reliably. Do this in bot games if you have to.

Continue playing, don't let youself be dissuaded by obnoxious teammates or stompy games.

I have a handful of friends who play at pretty low skill brackets and the one thing that seems to be true for anything sub 3.5k, is that no one knows how to fucking farm. Cores sit in uncontested lanes and miss 3/5 creeps per wave while the rest of the team is having a mexican stand-off with the enemies at mid. Even if you're absolutely atrocious at the game, just being able to reliably hit creeps and make good purchase decisions is an auto-win.

Finally, you also just need to continue playing. A large part of getting better at Dota is by playing the game, getting a feel for heroes and timings. After a while, you start developing a dota "instinct" and it will be much more obvious what you should at shouldn't be doing at any given moment. A lot of people play 100 games and get frustrated that they're still shit. You probably need 1000 games to be even mediocre at Dota.

TL;DR
Learn how to farm
Don't let shit games get you down
Play play play
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What are some good carries for the hard lane? Every time I try to call easy or mid lane, another person just races to one of them anyway and basically tells me to fuck off.
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>no dc logo on w33haa stream
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>>164046114
void/timber/monkey king
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>>164046114
Do you want to win lane?
And when do you plan to get online?
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>>164046114
You can pretty much do any carry in the hard lane if you get a support and do a duo-lane.

If you're solo hard lane, it depends on the enemy laners. If you're going against a trilane, I don't think many carries will be able to do much, but against weak trilanes or duo-lanes, you could be ok.

Dragon Knight, Void, MK and Razor spring to mind.
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>lp again
https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/4/4a/Lion_respawn_01.mp3
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Please make safelane safe again
Icefrog?
Valve?
Can you hear my plea?
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>>164046114
i dont understand this gif can someone explain it to me?
PLS NO BULLY!
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>wowwww i cant rice mindlessly for 20 minutes as in 6.86c and then 1 shot supports anymore
quack quack
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>>164046454
fuck you kid, we are putting runes and healing fountains everywhere and whacky talents to turn the game into a giant cluster fuck and youre going to buy our fucking battle pass whether you like it or not you hear me FAGGOT? we only answer to REDDIT now
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>>164046416
I'd suggest creating a new account if it's at the point where you can get LP easily, especially since Valve made it into the Party Queue and will constantly pit 5 stacks against 5 solos again
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>>164046583
Why farm at all? Just draft cores that scale great into the late game and a bunch of nukes and stuns.
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>>164046786
like monkey king?
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how the fuck can people stand playing brood

if I have to listen to one more retard team pat themselves on the back for farming the jungle for 40 minutes whilst I dealt with an entire enemy team I'm gonna burst a blood vessel

how hard is it to just fucking pressure a lane so I can take a set of rax
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>>164046823
He's perfect in this meta because all you do is get kills and all he needs to fight is blink and echo saber.
>Casual 1300 AoE crit + stun at 25 minutes
Can't farm worth a shit either. It's clear they designed the game to be more teamfight oriented, and donkey kong is just a microcosm of a shifting design philosophy that focuses on flashy eSports bullshit.
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The best thing to win at dota is to imagine the enemys at mad /u/ fags
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>>164047024
if you play 7.0 you already lost so you cant win at dota
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>>164046973
>blink
did you miss the fact that he has a screenwide movement skill with a slow? You can cancel the channel
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>tfw
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>>164047215
with kdas like that you'll be back in h soon enough
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>>164046593
What's wrong with you? A civil answer would go a long way
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>>164046583
I play a lot of supports/roamers/offlaners and am loving getting items every game, but it's bad for Dota. The concept of timings and power spikes is worthless now.

A good safelane carry could get decent farm if the lane was contested, via support pulls or just playing super defensive. Abundant gold, xp, and regen via shrines mean that now it's just devolved into-
>They have 2 heroes
>We need more heroes
>They brought more heroes
>We need more heroes
>Now it's a 5v5 teamfight
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>>164047257
Not if I keep forcing players like you to carry the fuck outta me
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http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Now that is fucking sad.
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She breaks Valve's rules and uses an admin code to spy on one of your games. What does she think?
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>>164047432
FUCK YOU KID. You want us to listen to you? Get it upvoted on Reddit. Otherwise, we are just spamming the game with runes and talents and a whacky EVERYONE IS BRAWLING meta and there's nothing you can do about it.
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>>164047215
>0-7 nyx
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Why are Monkey Players in ranked always the loudest?
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>play carry
>lose 2/5

>play support
>win 4/5

really engages your pre frontal cortex

no seriously, what does this mean? am i just shit at playing carry, am i a good support or is everyone else just better at carrying than i am?
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2-3 weeks into the new patch and so far no pro feedback? i mean there was a few words in the first days but other than that nothing? im not just talking about bashing, literally nothing
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>>164047948
>what does this mean?
you were born to take care of another man's son
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>>164047948
there are too many variables
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>>164047948
it can be lack of supports in games you carry, bad supports, wrong team comp, you being worse as a carry. whatever anon, just play what you have most fun with really. you arent getting paid for this
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>>164047969
pros don't give a fuck, they just take the game as it comes
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>>164045559
What do I do if I feel like my ranked games are mostly luck? I placed at 400 and am just short of 1k (tried ranked way too early) but I am paranoid of playing ranked again because my team feeds 20 times before I even die once. No, it's not an exaggeration, or even uncommon. Most the games I win are these idiots on the enemy team, and in the rest I do better than everyone else by a wide margin. I have no problem admitting that it was mostly luck that got me this short shitter distance.

Seriously, a lot of these retards have been playing for more than three times longer than I have but play like they just installed last week. How do you play 1500 matches and not know how to not fucking die all the time?

At least in unranked I can have fun because gameshitters are autistic and act genuinely surprised when people reciprocate their butthurt. I also have no problem beating the 2ks I get paired with. Monkey King is fucking bullshit though, I die a little inside when he gets damage charges from hitting my teammates and kills me with them.
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>>164048451
>I placed at 400
sorry, but the only thing left for you is to commit suicide
not going to read the rest of your shit, since i know its bullshit spewed from a moron that calibrated at 400
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>none of our lads are live
>playercount down
>game ruined
rest in rip
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I just played a captains draft game with a 5 stack and it really activated by brain cells. I'm a 1k player but I did amazing and had the most assists in that game.
I played support at position 4 though
This is the way this game is meant to be played. Unranked 5 stack captains draft
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>>164047969
it is my personal belief that all the pros are intentionally being quiet about how bad this patch is because their livelihoods depend on it. if it was just A LITTLE bad, they would complain about things here and there like theyve always done. but all of them are like frozen in their tracks without a word to say about this patch. its THAT fucking bad.
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>>164048642
This has been the most babyduck post I've read itt
Ever considered they haven't responded because they either don't give a fuck, or the patch itself is fine?
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>>164048772
>Ever considered they haven't responded because they either don't give a fuck, or the patch itself is fine?
no, because theyve never done that with any patch before it. theyve always had lots to say about every patch. but with this patch, they are dead silent. they dont even stream as much anymore either.
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who are the strongest heroes in pubs right now apart from monkey king?

I know CK is really buffed at the moment.
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Post memes im feeling miserable
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>>164049076
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>>164049076
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>>164048618
If you want I can buy a 4k account.
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>>164048642
Is there actually a fucking dab emoji?
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>>164049332
Make a new account and calibrate to what you think your real mmr is. After that, practice there for a while, doing so will both teach you how to carry worse players whilst calibrating, and play with people of a higher skill level once you calibrate. After you play there for a while, go back to your main account and climb.

Don't buy an account. Account buying sites are run by Valve in order to get them more money, so they can sit on their ass and not improve their game. Every time somebody buys an account, the hud is not improved just a little bit.
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>>164047117
yeh the hero has insane built in mobility, pretty easy to dumpster with him

the oracle tried to counterpick cause lamo purge jingu, but aslong as you're not retarded it's easy to deal with
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>>164046114
Necromancer solo safe is really strong, hell shit on almost every offlaner
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>>164049007
Necromancer, dazzle, storm, jug, axe. People who can fight early and have low cooldowns. Stuns are a bonus.
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>play naix
>get inside someone
>they freak out despite my pinging and try forcing whatever fight they can
>always ends up as some 2v5 shitfest
what the fuck is so hard to understand about X X X X X X X
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>>164050237
retard
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>>164028274
This reminds me of PPD mentioning that CDEC suspiciously banned out one of their secret strats they had used during scrims during one of their games. Now knowing that CDEC had access to all of EG's games, it kind of makes you wonder if their underdog run at TI5 was a huge fluke.
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>>164050237
>get naix on my team
>be IO
>tell him to get in me we are going for a gank
>put him in the back of enemy spawn
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A NEW JOURNEY IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!
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>>164049076
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Can treant protector be played as a carrying now? His new Q sure seems to push him that way.
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>>164051392
just play him as an offlane-mid roamer

you can quite literally win games on your own by just making some support/carry cuck ragequit on the safelane with your fuckhuge 100 dmg autos

just remember to buy orb of venom
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As a newer playeer, I don't quite understand what to do when losing or the enemy carry is getting fat.

For example, our last game we were winning for a bit and then their PA got a desolator and kind of just womped us with some pretty high crits. What would have been the option their? eventually she got a BKB pretty quickly and took fights at will pretty much.

How do you prevent stuff like that from happening? I typically play support though and can't really stop her from getting to that point but what is the correct play?

How do you stop a bad situation from getting worse? That is my primary question. How to stop a game thats slipping from going to a full loss.
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>>164051995
there are a few heroes more experienced players can very easily dominate with like PA
focus on building items as a team for escape and disable
implying he is the one carrying the entire team push the lanes he is not in and ward the spots because having vision is the most important thing and let you decide whether you should take fights or not
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>>164051392
anyone can be played as anything. all the talents, runes, xp changes, etc. make this game a giant clusterfuck where nothing matters and anything can work.
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>>164051995
Theres too much we don't know. Tell us the 10 heroes in the game.
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>do mid bloodseeker on map after enemy picks SG
>in the last 5 seconds anotyher retards instalocks invoker and says I MID NOW
>"YOU RETARD, BLOODSEEKER NO GOOD SF HAHA RETARD"
>instead go bot and deny jugg farm as best as i can since i outspeed and regen his damage
>invoker dies 1 minute into the round
>another death 2 minutes later
>leave bot since jugg is just waiting for the creeps under his tower at this point, and i can't dive him
>gank mid and kill SF to try to limit his snowball
>lose game because the safelane carry is also a russian slak with half my last hits

what did i do to deserve this
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>>164048451
I'm sure it won't be much fun, but even if you do lose some games because your team are a bunch of monkeys who do nothing but feed and even if you do win some games due to the enemy team being a bunch of monkeys who do nothing but feed, as long as you come out of it with a positive win-rate, you will climb the ladder.

If you can do well against players literally double your MMR in unranked, you should be able to push out of your current bracket relatively quickly.

I don't have much experience with climbing the ladder at a low MMR (I calibrated 3.9k and am now 5.8k), but I had also been playing the beta since 2011 and ranked wasn't introduced until literally years later, so I had well over 1k games before I went in and got my ranking.

If you're really desperate, you could try making a new account and just play some more games before calibrating on that one.
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>>164035034
That was LITERALLY what was implied you moron.
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>>164052282

The game I played in it was

Our Team:
Windranger, treant, slark, venge, dazzle

Enemy Team:
zues, puck, PA, silencer, phoenix

We were doing okay but the PA got big and ripped us.

I was venge support and I did okay but I felt entirely helpless when PA would come in.
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>>164053008
Nice retard porn
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>>164052828
every black family gotta mess up the place when being evicted
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>>164052892
Tree offlane? The deso on pa is a key timing and seems like you had no one to stop her from getting farm. Your team overall is weak and lacks damage, you guys have no magic burst, and without a silver's edge you can't kill pa. as venge, maybe stand back and swap whoever pa blinks on, then stun and force staff or ghost scepter away (ghost scepter is pretty iffy vs their magic heavy team though).

The game looks hard because they have a couple of key targets, but your team just lacks damage.
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>>164053008
this is the most confusing webm ive seen and im over scat and that genki shit
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>>164053143
das racist
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Are boy Cap online and on fire
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What's d2gs opinion on Dota D. Bowie? I really like how in depth he goes into stuff (better than Purge's "last hit and buy stats and regen") but the desperation into getting onto some panel or writing for some site is grating, as well as the shilling for pvgna.
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>>164049682
I was joking since he apparently thinks I will stop playing because he told me to.

I don't really feel like I have a "real MMR", in fact I was having a lot of fun in 6.88 because 1v9 used to be so, so much easier in retard bracket. I always had feeders on my team, but I could still shitfuck the other team, and even if I lost it was close. In 7.00 and on this no longer seems possible because everyone already tried to snowball every game in 6.88 and usually failed because they never ended games in time; now this bullshit actually works so every game is a dice roll.

I don't care if I'm objectively bad at the game, though I do try to get better. I just want to feel like I am actually in control again.

Not to mention the fact that most of my games have stacks in them and these people are fucking subhumans. This rarely happened before.
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>>164049682
>main account fell to 2.6 from 3.6
>work back up to 3.2
>games get 1000% worse than at 2.7-2.9
>finally decide to say fuck it and start a new account
>constantly playing with people in 4.5-5.5 range
>every game is in very high
I miss all those non tradeable items on my main account. But it's dead to me now.
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>>164052892
>>164051995
As a new player there's a huge amount of shit you can do, but it's kinda overwhelming to focus on. In a situation like that you can do a number of things as a support

>MAINTAIN GOOD WARD VISION AT ALL TIMES, the PA can't jump people if you can see her coming
>Acquire utility items such as Force Staff, Glimmer Cape, Solar Crest, etc which can save your team (this is hard as a new player because you're probably doing a bad job at getting gold as support)
>Maintain your positioning (this one is hard and experience based, general idea is to stay as far back as possible whilst still in position to save your core)
>Try not to take teamfights outside of Roshan contesting, objective defence, etc

BKB loses effectiveness the more times it's used, so you want to be able to get her to use it and then wait it out which you can do with Force Staff, Ghost Sceptre, Glimmer, Venge Swap, etc.

They do have a difficult lineup for your team to deal with if you're behind though.
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>>164053332
Sometimes I look at Soe and feel as though I am one with the universe.
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Tree item order?
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Im jumping ship to smite general. That game might better. It's finished downloading. Besides 3Dmoba>2Dmoba.
Maybe they'll let me farm the jungle there without nerfing it. GOOD RIDDANCE DOTARDS. REMEMBER THE 300K PLAYERS THAT LEFT
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>>164053921
start with

tango, salve, orb, courier (or 2 clarities if it is bought)

start roaming and getting kills

build:

brown boots
(courier upgrade, wards)
stick (upgrade when convenient)
phase boots or arcane depending how well the roam is going (phase if good)

then build blink or go straight into supporty aura shit if you're just pushing
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>>164054002
So long
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>>164054002
Bye bitch.
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>>164051995
>>164052892

Heroes like PA and Slark are pretty much tailor made to be abused in pubs. You need to have a plan to deal with them. If your other teammates all picked cores that are weak against them, fuck supporting, pick another core. If they bitch about the lack of support, tell them they should have picked one instead. 5-core teams are not that big of a deal in the trench.

I prefer Necro personally. Remember that he is NOT a support though.
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>>164054002
I stopped playing in 2012 after the nerf to blink dagger I just come here for the memes
fuck icefrog and fuck dotards
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>>164047635
>bad KDA means you got carried
dont seel urself short anon im sure you made some godlike play, dove extra hard to make sure you took out the right target for your team :^)
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What heroes should I learn if I want to increase my MMR
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Why is the design of silencer's abilities so shit?
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>>164055148
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>>164055340
Yeah he needs a attack speed buff skill and a gap closer.
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>>164046457
it's a representation of the chemical process behind your mom gobbling dicks
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what is our discord?
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does zeuce nimbus work inside chrono lads
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YOUR BOY CCNC IS LIVE

twitch
.tv/ccncdota2
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>>164056664
Yes it's op as fuck
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>>164056896
thank you hungry skeleton
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>>164056896
Who's the qt?
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OUR

FUCKING

GUY

IS LIVE
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>Queue
>See someone without an avatar on my team
>Abandon

it's really that simple
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>>164057052
sheever
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>>164057058
>barneyyy still shilling this hard

shaking
my
head
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>mfw I commend LITERALLY everyone

I'm crashing the commend system, free commends for everyone
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What did he mean by this?
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already got bored of dota 7.00

what to do?
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I'm a cm guys! I need midas before buying wards!
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>>164058179
restart steam its 7.01 now
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>>164058179
Complain until they put it back to what it was and forget this piece of shit 7.00 ever happened.
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>>164058250
>not jungling a sub 8 min midas on cm
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>>164058179
play nostalrius world of warcraft
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>>164058179
build aghs
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>>164058179
>>164058259
>>164058273

dota3 so bad i ended up giving money for TF2 with boobs.
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>>164058524
Yea, I have to play Overwatch and Street Fighter V now because I can't play this nu-Dota junk. Check out SFV for $20 on Steam, it really helps with the competitive hole in my soul that Dota 3.00 left.
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>>164058524
>this is the dota 2 community
LOL
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valve only want the last hits and kda on the uppet left side is because this hud isn't suppose to appeal to the players but the veiwers

it's amazing that this whole patch is base around viewership and fast loading into games/watching games

end it im in fountain
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>>164058179
play overthrow
oh wait
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>>164058524
>tfw you've gone back to Consoles because your shitty computer can't run anything good and Dota sucks now

At least I'll have Steam fun Bux from selling my Immortals, I had chests from TI3 I forgot about that sold for $7.00 a piece
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>>164058524
Been playing rimworld
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Tonight is Thursday. Thursday is usually big patch night. WHAT will you do if tonight, nothing happens. No patch drops at all. Dota 3.00 remains broken, and Valve is still on vacation.

WHAT DO YOU DO DOTARD?
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So can you guys actually explain why the patch is bad?

Like all I'm getting here is that people actually enjoyed last hitting creeps all day, denying off-laners, and otherwise PvEing 30 minutes just to be able to 1v5* late game.

There's no 'strategy' involved in any of that. It just ricing and stalling out games.

How was that better than what dota is at the moment?
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>>164059440
gonna go to a lan party & play some cs
temporary escape I guess
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>>164059519
Based anon
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>>164059519
Your forced meme is shit. Valve reads this thread and posts here. If you want shit to be fixed, you need to express yourself. They want it and we want it. We don't need Nintendrone-tier faggots who defend everything here.
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>>164059806
>Valve reads this thread and posts here
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>>164059519
What is this meme
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Capitalist has to be the saltiest player alive, dear lord
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>>164059905
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)#Baby_duck_syndrome

quack
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>>164060082
Oh look at that, it's another Reddit tier MUH SCIENZ meme just like all the Positive Mental Attitude and Dunning-Kruger effect spam before you. Who could've guessed the Nintendrone-tier faggots would be from Reddit.
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>>164060062
he keeps crying like a cuck AFTER hes dead but stays silent DURING the dive what a stupid fuck
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>>164060259
>science is reddit
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is winter wyvern shitty this meta? I want to learn how to play her but the question is.. should i?
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>>164060396
probably not worth it unless you're some sort of a disgusting furfaggot with a mommy complex
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>>164059905
This meme is borned because reddit is complaining about the patch 24/7 so le epik 4chinz has to take the knowledge high ground and say reddit is only complaining because of this baby duck syndrome on wikipedia
4chinz is the cool wise guy that goes with the flow reddit is the whiny spoiled little brat that has ADD and is hooked on candy
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>>164060590
also vg mods are valve shills that helps too
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>>164060590
How'd you get this picture of Soe?
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>>164060849
soe is flat on both ends
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What the fuck is this?
Yes, I verified the game cache and updated my drivers.
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>>164059478
Because this is like the 10th patch in a row where the game is forcing you to play in a certain way. That is, nuthugging each other 4v4/5v5 while going for objectives, like heroes of the storm or league of legends. In the past, ganking strats, farming strats, memefight and push strats were all equally effective. Also the game's economy is massively inflated and talents while an interesting concept, are just boring and encourage a snowbally gameplay. Also, they "smoothed out" the xp needed to reach certain levels. In the past level 12 would tale like 1100 xp to reach, and levels 6-11 and 12-15 would take less than that(many such cases), to allow people to catch up in xp.

the new hud is also dogshit.
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>>164059478
There is no counterplay to 5 manning now.

Also, shit is just super unpolished.
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>Zeus aghs hits Slark in his ult.
the fuck?
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What's the worst hero dotards?
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>>164061453
whichever one you play
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>>164060082
>>164060590
Honestly it sounds about right though. The complaints are literally "well its not like this"

It reminds of the early days of dota 2 where dota 1 elitists were talking a bunch of shit about dota 2 just because it wasn't exactly the same.
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>there are people that actually like jungling
>there are people that dislike team fights
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>>164061719
This is a building hitter general go play HotS
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>>164058524

tbqf i've been playing a shitload of overwatch lately too. the waifus are top tier
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God dang 5 mang fighting is just ruining my day. It's like TI4 except games end at 30 minutes instead of 15 minutes. I just wanna casually support my carry and watch him/her grow, not seeing the safelane turn into a 5v3 battlefield.
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>>164061453
Rubick honestly needs to be removed from the game, he has contributed basically everything wrong with DotA ever.
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New Arcane Curse: Slows movement speed by 25/30/35/40%, increases mana costs of spells by 25/30/35/40%, and causes the affected to take magical damage equal to mana spent when they cast spells. The movement slow and mana cost increase diminish over the duration. Silenced targets have the duration frozen and the slow value locked.
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>i actually like smashing my head against the enemy team again and again until 40 minutes when the respawn timer is 2 minutes and buybacks are on cooldown and radiant ends up winning anyways because of the insane new map bias
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>>164061798
F-Fear?
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>I actually like farming for 50 minutes for two decisive teamfights while supports try and make inefficient rotations that leave them perpetually gold/xp starved while taking care of my wife's son, but only after prepping the bull once I retire to the cuckshed
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>>164062820
Wait, what? this doesn't make any sense, supports are more starved than ever.
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>>164062886
Have you noticed that there are 4 (four) bounty runes?
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>>164062886
Nah, bounty runes and shrines help supports rotate pretty well and keep up in lvls and farm.
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I honestly love the tree shit for supports. You can actually have fun while the autistic peruvian carry is autistically struggling with 200 ping last hits.
Just pull the wave, farm creeps, get sweet EXP from bounties, steal a creep here and there, smoke mid, kill the offlaner one, steal a creep and there, EXP tome BAM lvl 6 arcanes 6 min ez
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>>164062936
>>164062932
???

Are you playing sub 3k where mid doesn't horde at least one of the runes like exactly?
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>>164063110
maybe you are if you fail to realize that this patch is a direct buff to supports and roamers
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>>164063110
But there's 2 on your side, so if the mid hordes one, there's still the other one.That's a free 100 gold and exp every 2 minutes. Plus there's the new traits where you get gold per minute that are sometimes better than the other trait. Also, with the new meta of just 5 manning and killing shit, you can get ks money or at least get assist money.
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>>164063341
>supports and roamers
That's a cute way of saying "Riki and Bounty Hunter".
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>>164063341
>>164063368
If you haven't realized at this point hes an ass-pained carry player mad he can't autistically rice his way to victory every game.
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>>164028274
LOL FUCK THIS
HOW A FUCKING BILLION COMPANY BE THIS INCOMPEADSNCVBCV,BMC
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>>164063110
No I just know how to rotate and steal enemy runes. It's pretty fucking easy actually, especially cuz of the new ward spots.
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Accidently posted this in ded thread

At this point im 100% sure there are a maxmimum of 2, MAYBE 3 developers working on dota 2.
Why on earth do they take FOREVER to fix the bugged movementspeed display. This is literally just expanding a single UI Element by a few pixels. Just the fucking length variable of the stat window overlay.
This is fucking gamebreaking as there is no other method to check movementspeed and it's a pretty important stat.
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>>164063516
I mean, in da new 5 man meta, any support that has good disables are viable such as warlock, ogre maggi, shadow shaman.
Omniknight cuz he's just that good.
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>>164063659
too much work
not enough bitching on reddit
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>>164063659
it's a beta
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BEST DOTA 2 PLAYER THIS WOLRD HAS EVER FUCKING SEEN, YOU GUYS
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>>164063781
Warlocks iffy since his ultimate is pretty long. Dazzle and disruptor are the real hero supports this patch. Can fight early, keeps your team alive, and disruptor especially owns carries like pa, slark, ember
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>>164063659
wokring on kiev compendium
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Post Gustav!
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I've noticed peoples opinion on 7.x is divided like the report/LP changes, people who play a supporting role once or maybe twice a month love that they can soak exp in lane and pick up runes to buy aghs 10 minutes earlier but experienced support players hate that pulling has been nerfed to shit.

Same with carry players, the guy who played Sven/Juggernaut once in a blue moon loves this patch because after 15 minutes of farming they just run at the enemy death ball in hand and win, meanwhile the guy who has 9000 AM games who mastered the art of ricing hates 7.X.
>>
cap's salt is great with my freedom fries
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tfw switching to mouse grip is hard
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>>164028274
So explain to me, what exactly happened, I just woke up and I look like dirt

>>164029035
I've known plenty asian she-devils senpai
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>>164064231
You can't rice no more. The jungle spawns ever 2 minutes rather than one. That means rice farmers like antimage can jump about the jungle for 1 minute and have the jungle respawn again for INFINITE AMOUNTS OF RICE.
Meanwhile, experienced support players not pulling just gives this weird and bad feeling of taking exp from the carry and not getting SUPER VALUE of denying creeps + getting exp from jungle camps + not taking your carry's exp. Now it's just switched roles where it's fun to just SMASH SMASH SMASH early and just fuckin'.
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Does anyone have a MK expand dong? asking for a friend
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>>164064231
i typically play offlane/jungle and i have a serious lovehate relationship with this patch

on one hand when i get cucked in offlane i have 2 camps and ancients to farm off of and a fountain to regen with
but 2 minute fucking jungle camp respawn times and how quickly deathball begins just pisses me off

i cant even play a ricing jungler like syllabear because i have downtime in the jungle when every camp is fucking dead because of my carry/mid/myself farming it

this patch would be exponentially better if camps respawned every minute
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>>164063516
Also weaver.
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Hey I just realized that intelligence heroes can freeze, slow, damage, burn over time, heal and a ton of other shit.
Strength heroes can only stun/aoe stun and agility heroes can only right click.

Why would you ever play something that isn't an intelligence hero?
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>>164030091
This monopoly is fucking dire. Jesus H Christ.
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>>164064550
Because omniknight
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>>164064550
int is a dogshit stat

str is more or less the best stat in the game, agi is a close second. int is pretty bad though
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>>164064550
NYX is an aging hero and can't right click. First example I thought of, but I think your reasoning is wrong.
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>>164064231
>if you disagree with me you are low experiended
>if you agree with me you are experienced
>agree with me pls
did you parents not love you enough anon?
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>>164063659
Minor things like that will be fixed in the new bloom spring cleaning patch
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>>164064656
Int is so much more interesting. Because it's reality warping. Meanwhile strength is just fatty heroes stunning and damaging others with their massive weight and agility is just guns/swords
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>open dota twitch
>mfw

where the fuck are all the english streamers? is there a big tourney soon?
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>>164064953
They quit years ago after it became obvious Valve isn't going to implement server locking.
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>>164064857
you misunderstand

int, statwise, is a bad stat. it doesn't give you anything useful. str gives health and a bit of life regen. agi gives attack speed and armor alongside the damage, making it very good for autoattacker heroes.

int gets the best abilities because it's otherwise pretty weak
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>>164064803
he's right

valve is changing the game to appeal to shitstains who play 4 games on the weekend and keep playing because everytime they come back the game is so different

because they know doturds will always be addicted to this game no matter what
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>>164064803
No one who likes 7.00 will post their dotabuff because they are low mmr trash or probably even unranked, go ahead and prove me wrong.
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>>164065276
I like 7.00, am unranked. How do I into dotabuff?
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>>164054002
I just played some smite and it feels like a 3rd person watered down LoL clone or warframe. The graphics are pretty shit compared to dota. Why do all free games except dota feel so dogshit? Why can't they be a little more crispy so that I can enjoy them more. I haven't Hots but it's probably more crispy than dota because blizzard are better than valve at graphics and design but not balance. However fucking dota ruined all other games for me. I can't play anything multiplayer without feeling that it's low skill garbage.
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>>164065276
>if youre so good undisclose your information to the world
>if you dont obey my command you are low skilled
Where did they touch you anon?
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>>164064953
no one is streaming because the game is shit
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>>164065132
Int gets cool abilities but their power is nerfed for the sake of gameplay.
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>>164065276
I liked it at first cuz a patch is a patch and every patch deserves some enjoyment cuz that means new content. But it just sending Dota 2 back to TI4 days. I liked 6.88 cuz a larger variety of heroes were picked (except jakiro) and it seemed like the perfect balance between deathball and just 2 hour games. also timbersaw is my favorite hero before 6.88.
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This game was a clusterfuck
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>>164065276
multiple high mmr streamers have already said they like this patch

this just in people have different opinions and tastes
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Most of the time we see a long 2h hour competitive game, it's always one of the best games of the year. Prove me wrong.

Why shouldn't the patch focus on making all games that long?
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Hey!
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>>164065674
gtfo cappa
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>>164065771
I mean although 2 hour games have a lot of hype since there's a lot more teamfights and close shtuff, it's 2 hours.
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>>164065771
That shit is mad boring dude
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>>164065771
if you eat burgers every day they won't taste as good anymore

unless you're american I guess then you eat burgers every day and love them. God bless america
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>>164065914
Still very good to watch. Short games aren't very fun to watch. Nobody likes stomps. They should bring back the memeback. 6.83 had both long games and farming. I'm sad I couldn't play during that time
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>>164065728
>Thinking any streamer is going to badmouth the company or game their literally dependent on
Its almost like you don't know what happened to gross gore.
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>>164066026
The memeback was sorta well memey cuz the turn arounds was very drastic i mean 1000 gold for breaking a dominating streak i mean c-c'mon guys. I felt like 6.88 was great. yeh.
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>>164065771
as long as both teams aren't from china
fuck 110 minutes of farming then 10 minutes of fighting
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>>164066027
streamers talk shit about dota all the time. There's also multiple streamers who have called the patch absolute trash

you're a fucking idiot shoot yourself stop wasting internet megabytes
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capitalist is so unashamedly cringey its sorta endearing
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>There's people here who haven't got free mmr with the broken Sniper-Deso/Aghs/Divine build
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>>164066418
>in cones a blink pudge+PA
You just gave away a rapier
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>>164065132
Are you fucking retarded? PA and Huskar are literally the only heroes that do not benefit from a larger Int stat. Having a larger mana pool and faster mana regen are otherwise universally desirable, even if it's not worth buying in a given hero build.

Agility is only the best stat in 2k shitter games where everyone plays agility carries. Otherwise, it's just not useful to many heroes. Even quite a few right click heroes benefit much more from Echo Sabre than agility stats.
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>>164066539
not when you're on the other side of the map just ulting every 5 seconds
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>>164066641
does aether lens increase range?
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>>164065771
it's literally only good because it's 2 hours, most games that end up that long or some base race game are actually fucking shit tier level of play. Retards just lap it up because they think a long game = a close game = exciting
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>>164066731
aghs already increases the range to stupid
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>>164066731
It should, but this is pretty situational. Aghs doesn't make Sniper a nuker as much as it makes him a more versatile carry.
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>>164066608
Higher int really just means less use out of arcane boots because mana costs are scaled to a hero's int gain. High int heroes could have just had lower mana costs but instead they get fucked by pugna and nyx
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rate my graph
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>>164064550
Strength heroes are more fun than intelligence heroes though.
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Can someone remind Volvo/Frostamphibian this hero exists?
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>>164066418
If the enemy isn't peruvian they'll just buy blade mail
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>have a huge lead as pudge
>double digit kills 2 deaths
>realize i have 2/3 of the kill count on my team
>start giving kills to teamates to catch up
>realize what a mistake that was
>they get cocky
>think they can take on the world
>start feeding
>lose
How am i support to carry with this cuck. Even if you can't carry how can i give up someone so fun. Oh well back to spamming meepo and lone druid to get all that mmr back
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>>164067473
There are so many shitty interactions in this fucking game man.

Like why is it that winter wyvern is actually a liability against monkey king? He can still stack his buff on people while they are ice blocked.

There are a bunch of shitty mechanics in this game that favor core heroes. Like how battle fury works with sleight of fist. I always thought that one to be the crappiest of interactions. That shit doesn't work on anything else like it.

Where is the support interactions between abilities and items that are interesting? Sure pugna can buy a dagon but that is barely a interaction.

Cores have all the fun man.
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>>164032791
>won 12 games straight
>alright i should take a break
>come back a day later
>2 losses in a row
>enough for today
>next day 3 losses
i hate it sometimes. The games i won weren't even stomps, they were just close battles that came down to who lost a team fight or who got caught out of position. the losses was just a face roll.
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Veil on Kunkka y/n?
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>>164067581
cores... scale with items and farm?
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Support Necrolyte is so fucking useless
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So ALL the asian teams had special keys to watch scrims/practice by whitey/sea?

Chinks cheat, I dnno if people are unaware of this, but every single chink cheats.
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>Spamming Oracle
>Highest I've ever been by 300
I hope forced 50 doesn't catch up to me.
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>>164067729

what does this have to do with anything I said about item and skill interactions? or skill interactions between heroes?
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>>164067473
>enemies under Winter's Curse can't crit, use orbs battlefury etc because it counts as a deny
xD
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>>164067472
Kill steals aren't real, just get the fucking kill
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>>164067438
blademail is banned in peru servers?
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>>164067809
>skill that requires lasthits
>skill that literally killsteals
no shit
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>>164067887
item interactions that scale with mostly core heroes and not supports
like you mentioned sleight of fist but imagine how shit of an ability that is without farm and said items
meanwhile support heroes have skills that are strong on their own, because they aren't meant to have much farm
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>>164063024
lol. this post. I like it very much
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>>164067932
Don't be silly, anon. Peruvians don't play on peru servers.
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>>164068023
He's meant to transition into a carry like pugna.
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>thursday night still no update
not lookin good boys
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>>164067581
>Euls/Atos and AA
>Atos and Oracle
>EBlade/Dagon Lion
Supports are made by their skills, not their autos, you have to look it through a different lens.
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Can someone tell me which heroes used to be sentinel, which were scourge and which were neutral?
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>>164067369
heroes and strats dont exist in this meta. talents, shrine, and xp are the only things that exist in this meta.
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>>164068306
That knowledge was destroyed by Valve circa 2013. Only the initiated from WC III have it
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>>164067330
Less use out of Arcanes is a good thing, it means you can get a different pair of shoes and be more effective overall without gimping yourself. Getting Arcanes on Pugna is one of the most obvious retard builds. Hell, he can even benefit from the extra attack speed from Treads by right clicking enemies between nukes.

Raw mana regen from items is also mostly multiplicative, which allows spellcaster heroes to scale better with items. Armor gain from agi is pretty shit and might need to be supplemented with raw armor bonuses.

I agree that str is probably best stat though.
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>>164064953
valve destroyed the scene with the TI prizepool. its good to look at it but you literally need to get a decent place and you have a decent living for a year. pros usually stream when they need money. at least this was true in csgo, pros used to stream a lot and now the scene is oversatured with tournaments every 2 weeks
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Gonna buy Lina arcana so valve patches the game
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What is the definitive patch where dota 2 started going downhill? 6.82?
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>>164068684
>Lina arcana
But it's shit
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>Come back to my home town on a college break
>Old pc has xp and doesn't support dota anymore
>Last 2 nights i was dreaming about playing dota
>Every day i think about playing it more and more
>Go to friends house and play 1 game
>Got bored after first game, went back home
>Thinking about dota non-stop again
WTF is going on?
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>people realizing that soulless chinks are soulless

even jews are better than chinks. i would rather sleep next to a jew even if it meant the only reason he didn't slit my throat was because he didn't know where I hid my gold then sleep to a chink.
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Convince me this isn't one of the worst heroes in the game.
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What the fuck happened to techies?

Why are they shit?
Why does suicide take a year to go off and then not kill you?
Why are the mines visible for 10 seconds when planted?
Why has the damage of level 1 barrels been reduced?
Why are level 3 barrels at level 18?

Why the fuck?
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>>164068835
i can't
convince me there are other ways to win besides deathball
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>>164068835
+150% Walrus Punch Crit at level 25

>>164068891
I got fucked by a Meepo last night because their pushing power was too good
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>>164068865
techies has been buffed
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>>164068865
because that hero is cancer and nobody wants him to be viable
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>>164068835
His aghs hard counters monkey king's ult
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>>164068950
No techies are viable for 3 seconds when they have the ghost scepter, mana boots, and aghs until everyone hits level 20

So viable for about 10 minutes
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>>164068865
They're a lot better now if you're actually good, like overlapping your balanced 750 damage proximity mines on uphill ramps or making use of your super balanced 7 second aoe silence
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>>164068413
Agility is the only good stat from a design perspective. Every hero that makes use of the armor and attack speed also benefits from the damage it gives.

Strength is no different from raw +HP on heroes that aren't strength heroes and many strength heroes even don't make use of the extra attack damage it gives them. It barely has an identity as a stat.

Intelligence does not objectively make a hero stronger and there is no way to make use of mana on heroes that end up with too much of it.
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>>164069079
>implying techies even needs any fucking items
im sorry anon but you are a retard
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>>164069079
Techies is literally the best level 1 hero in the entire game now
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Daily reminder that +6 str gets picked more frequently on axe than the inarguably better +3 mana regen.
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>>164069116
>They're a lot better now
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Finally made it to 6k after close to a year of grinding MMR from 5k. I never want to touch ranked match making again. This has to be the most cancerous year for me.
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>>164069223
>Techies is literally the best level 1 hero
>Level 1 hero
>THE BEST
Whew hopefully we'll never let them get to level 2
literally 1k
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SLARDAR TALENT TREE 1
+6 HP REGEN
OR
+175 MANA

WHAT DO GULAG?
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>>164069267
Mana quickly becomes irrelevant so picking that option is just gimping yourself in the long run.
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>im a retard that thinks techies is nerfed because I dont get a bunch of solo kills anymore
>techies gets solokills with sucide
>techies gets kills with proximity mines
>techies gets kills with remotes
>10 mins later the enemy buys a gem or sentries and ends the game
>the game becomes 5vs4
>all that gold is wasted on a long range melee creep

yea techies was really nerfed now that he doesn't have to autistic plant mines in one or two spots for three minutes and can actually show up to teamfights
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>>164069458
Depends on what you need. +175 mana is picked up much less but it has a very slightly better winrate.
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>>164069301
His winrate and overall impact in a typical game has increased substantially, try actually spectating one instead of overreacting to seemingly bad changes without taking into account map layout or counterplaying

>>164069438
>b-but he's only effective late game
>even though he's the single best early game hero out there
>but shut up that doesn't count
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Why do ember players suddenly go full meme magic build with this new talents tree shit?
Why not still go for veil blink and then noral bfury crit ?
Think of veil as a super aquila to be relevant early mid game with the advantage of not being living meme in late game
You still take the CD reduc and searing chains talents of course and you could even take octameme late game becuase you lifesteal off the bfury cleave damage

Rate commend and subscribe
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>>164069697
>Shitters couldn't play techies
>Delay his moves
>Nerf actual viability
>Increase attack power
>HE'S BETTER GUYS WE SWEAR

Also
>Best Level 1 hero
as viable as the best level 2 hero.
Completely meaningless
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>>164069723
battlefury sucks, and ember battlefury is only useful when you are fully six slotted. theres a reason why embers can never end the game and are reliant on defending

veil + dmg talent is a lot more consistent damage and lets him actually be a core in the frontlines instead of a bitch in the back spamming SoF.
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>>164027873
thanks, Riot
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>>164069524
axe is always short on mana ulti even after he gets shivas
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>>164069524
+5% winrate says otherwise
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>>164069642
Gem isn't nearly as effective anymore, which I really like. Proximity mines aren't detected by truesight anymore, and most traps are placed uphill to take advantage of choke points and overlapping prox damage, so you won't have time to react with a gem (unless you're nightstalker with aghs, then you just hard counter literally everything techies offers)
Stasis is also instant and can severely punish backline initiation
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>>164069723
Spell amp and spell lifesteal no longer work on cleave.
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>>164069836
Why do so many heroes have caster builds and physical damage builds but no tank builds?
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>>164069818
>>Shitters couldn't play techies
ah yes it takes so much skill and insight to plant mines inside trees or use forcestaff.

truly not even 9k players are capable of such feats
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>>164069818
>Nerf actual viability
But he's significantly more viable and useful, did you just plug your ears and ignore literally everything I just said?
>Increase attack power
What
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>>164069938
Because this isn't like dota imba where tank qwop is a thing.
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>>164069913
Well then
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>>164069938
because tanks don't exist in dota?
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>>164069905
i was talking about old techies
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>>164069913
the main thing that crippled ember is that his sof hits always target the front of a unit so they have to be back to back to do good cleave damage
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>>164069913
Does it work on maelstromn?
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>>164069948
>Lower Win rate
>Begins talking about how easy techies were

HAHA

>>164070005
Mine power was increased as overlapping was removed. Barrels do less damage. Suicide has been completely reworked to not be a means out but for team play, but cast takes so long that any competent team would have killed techies 10x over unless he has the ghost scepter.

Ghost Scepter is now a required item. Literally took a fun character and ruined him
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>>164070047
A tank is a durable character that presents a threat through means other than attack damage. Dota definitely has those.
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>>164069818
>>Best Level 1 hero
>as viable as the best level 2 hero.
What? There is no level 2 hero in the game that offers as much ganking power as a 300 damage aoe nuke and 4 second silence.
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>>164070218
you are trash at the game end yourself
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>it's a sand king techies lane
WAKE ME UP
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>>164070303
>Trash
>Was fucking killing it with the "worst" Techies

Sounds like you cried and screamed until daddy got you what you wanted
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>>164070218
You're fucking retarded
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>>164070383
>guys I won a lot of 1k pubs by being afk as techies
>wahh now I can't be afk techies is so shit now
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>>164070357
>It's a 1 ward and Game lane
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>>164070076
>daedaloi
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>>164070218
You can still overlap the trigger areas for the mines, which is fairly easy in choke points by putting them on both sides. The mines offer more utility lategame, mostly for clearing waves and camps in a single mine
>Barrels do less damage
Where are you getting this? The only thing changed with remotes was a 0.25 second activation delay (to counteract scripters) and a .5 second cast time buff
>Suicide has been completely reworked to not be a means out but for team play, but cast takes so long that any competent team would have killed techies 10x over unless he has the ghost scepter
Having actual signifigant utility in a fight is much more valuable than a self deny that rapidly falls off in damage. It can still be used as a means out against certain comps, but you're literally 3k if you think it's somehow worse because it's not a get out of jail free card anymore
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>>164070489
>AFK techies
>Ever winning

if techies aren't laning destroying towers or stopping jungling then there is something wrong
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I enjoy playing nightly.
When I queue deep night I can be sure that im playing with the BEST people, not schoolboys, not peruvians, not retarded toxic cunts.
Nightgods unite.
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>>164070383
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theres no point arguing with these retards

theres still 2k retards that think old sniper was better or that void was more fun
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>>164070232
But it's not a role in itself, just like escape heroes aren't a role. They're factors in a hero's individual design.

The one hero that could be considered a traditional tank is Axe.
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>Demon Hunters are dark, shadowy warriors who are shunned by the greater Night Elf society. They made a pact, long ago, to fight against the forces of chaos using its own terrible powers against it. These mysterious warriors ritually blind themselves so that they develop 'spectral sight' that enables them to see demons and undead with greater clarity. They wield demonically charged warblades in battle and even call upon demonic energies to augment their formidable combat skills. Although they are counted as some of the mightiest warriors within the Night Elves' society, the Demon Hunters are always maligned and misunderstood for making their selfless pact with darkness.

This is how cool AMs back story was. Now its just "I BRING AN END TO MAGIC"
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>>164070705
old day void still more fun to me though,nothing better than watching nuker waste their ultimate on you and you just be like,NOPE,BYE BITCH,GET BTFO
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>>164070592
>Having actual signifigant utility in a fight
If it's done right then there is no level 25 shit

Also due to respawn time being cut in half at level 25 that is the best fucking thing in the world.

Now you REQUIRE Ghost scepter on the character. That is the only way the move is getting pulled off.

When you select Techies there should be a constant overlay on the screen saying "CHARACTER NERFED BUY OUR GHOST SCEPTER™ FOR MAXIUM 1337 PWNGE" until you buy the fucking Ghost Scepter

Also late game you better be using stun flowers more than fucking bombs
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>>164070836
>Torment around me. Torment in me. Torment be with me. And let us conquer our foes. They do not understand our pain. Do you? No. Not a soul can. And for that, We shall make them feel the torment... The torment that inhabits my soul.

This is how cool Leshrac's back story was. Now it's just "Leshrac, Tormented Soul, is an entity torn from the heart of nature, a liminal being that exists half in one plane of existence, half in another. His penetrating intelligence is such that he can never ignore for a moment the agonizing horror at the heart of all creation. Once a great philosopher who sought the meaning of existence, he plumbed the depths of nature with the haunted Chronoptic Crystals, and was forever altered by the hideous mysteries thereby revealed to him. Now the darkest depths of his enlightenment are illumined only by the fitful glare of his arrogance. Like other elemental characters, he is completely at one with nature, but in his case it is a nature lurid and vile. He alone sees the evil truth of reality, and has no use for those who believe the cosmos reserves a special reward for those who practice benevolence."
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>>164070606
>Pick -60s respawn
>We HotS murky now
>Hug a lane / their jungle
>They keep killing you but you're there instantly again
>Space
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>>164070792
Bristleback is a traditional tank. Timbersaw is a tank when he maxes reactive armour and gets a pipe.

Not every hero builds pipe and crimson guard. But almost every hero can get veil and caster shit.
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>>164070792
If that's not a role, what is?
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>>164070934
>Now you REQUIRE Ghost scepter on the character. That is the only way the move is getting pulled off.
Reminder that the following heroes are not viable until they get a ghost spectre to cast their spells

bane
CM
elder titan
kotl
lion
monkeyking
pudge
pugna
sandking
shadow shamon
tinker
warlock
windranger
witch doctor
tp scrolls
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>>164070792
League says that tank is a role.
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>>164070986
> -60s
>Can no longer viably commit suicide with out ghost stick
Wow it's fucking nothing. Odds are the enemy will still be alive and you failed that's why you died here.

Before
The enemy dies and you die but come back before them and rush the god damn lane with Aghs or jungle with an assortment of items
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>>164070934
750 damage nukes are always relevant late game, especially now that level 16+ characters don't level stats, so they aren't getting free circlets and subsequently more health.
Ideally you should be using both, you have more than enough mana at that point
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>>164070836
What are you talking about, AM is now an interesting hypocrite instead of a "lawl, I cut myself for darkness powers so I can fight evul."
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>>164070983
Leshrac was based on keeper of the grove

>The enchanted Keepers are the favored sons of the demigod Cenarius. Like their lesser Dryad sisters, the Keepers appear to be half Night Elf, half stag. They have enormous antlers and manes of leaves that flow down their backs. Their right hands are disfigured and twisted - as if they had become like the gnarled root-claws of the Treants. Keepers possess many strange powers over nature and the animals. Though they typically remain within the sacred Moon Groves of Ashenvale forest, the Keepers always heed the call to arms when the greater lands of Kalimdor are threatened.
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>>164071198
>muh suicide
>MUH SUICIDE
>I CAN'T SUICIDE FOR 0 DAMAGE OR UTILITY ANYMORE THAT MEANS TECHIES IS BAD SHUT UP SILENCES AREN'T REAL
>and no -60s doesn't count shut up
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>>164071172
>Good Game design
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>>164071404
Silence affects both friend

Also the only utility of it now is the silence which is very sad
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>bkb ember
I do NOT like this meme
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>this fucking retard that doesn't know blast off has a 1000 cast range and 400 full damage radius

was wondering why he thought techies needs a ghost spectre.

rule one of /d2g/ never argue about balance with a retard who hasn't even played the hero
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>>164071525
>having a 7 second silence is less utility than literally just damage
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>valve unironically wont drop an update tonight
hard to believe
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>this many triggered babby ducks on d2g
my sides
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>>164071683
>when their one developer has his anual vacation
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>>164071679
Just damage that can murder or cripple up till level 20 and a half respawn timer

Not to mention faster mine hiding and faster barrel trigger

so yes they have been nerfed. Only difference now is less people are playing them
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>>164071849
when he comes back gaben will give him an anal vacation
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>>164071871
>so yes they have been nerfed
>less people are playing them
actually 1% pickrate increase
>b..but those are the same 10 pros picking techies over and over again! before it was 10 different people every time!
fuck off already
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>>164072121
>Nov 30

unless that's Nov 30 of last year then you are comparing new techies to new techies
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>>164071871
500/650/850/1150 PHYSICAL damage falls off extremely quickly due to armor, and that's only if you get the full damage 200 unit radius rather than the 260/300/340/380 PHYSICAL damage partial radius
A huge silencenuke with an actual jump that has utility for the entire game and the option to scale it for late game damage is much, much more viable. The old suicide required you to have braindead enemies grouping right on top of you during your suicide, or waste a blink to initiate with literal shit damage.

>faster mine hiding
You are literally illiterate aren't you? Mine cast time was buffed by .5 seconds
>b-but they deal less damage right? BARRELS DO LESS DAMAGE I SWEAR !
:^)
>>
never think id say this but pudge needs a huge nerf to flesh heep, either no longer retroactive or he needs to kill/assist the kill on the target not just be around it to get the stack
>>
what the fuck is wrong with capitalist?
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>>164072221
>Mine cast time was buffed by .5 seconds
That's placement not cloaking
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>>164072203
Alright you're actually fucking illiterate
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>>164072326
Who ever mentioned fade time? They're still .25 seconds faster to explode in a direct fight
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WHY NOBODY TALKING ABOUT RURU'S SHITFEST AND HOW VALVE WILL REACT TO IT??
SHIT SLUT JUST HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY FUCKINGTHING FROM PRIVATE MATCH HISTORY AND IVENTORY.
SHIT SLUT ABUSED THE HELL OUT OF IT
AND HERE WE ARE
ON THE VACATION BROUGHT TO YOU BY
GRAET GABEN
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>>164073240
lol calmdown mate
On a serious note,how is this even allowed?
I mean she freely move item between account and nobody know?
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>>164073240
>AND HOW VALVE WILL REACT TO IT
cause we already know how valve will react to it
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>>164072475
So? Fade time is highly needed for early lane pushing

not to mention they can only explode after being faded
>>
what's cap, our guy, doing that people are commentating on
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>>164070836
a guy who wants to end all magic in a world filled with magic is fucking awesome though
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>>164073240
>how will valve react to it

OH GEE WHOOPS YAMES IS AN ASS AND WE WONT BE WORKING WITH HIM AGAIN
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>>164073240
dont use misogynist language this has nothing to do with her being a girl
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>>164073492
>they can only explode after being faded
Have you never even played dota 2 before?
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>>164073461
is it worth fucking ruru shit up if it end up hurting your income?
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>>164028325
If your gpm and kda are shit then expect -1000 MMR
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>>164073613
>our guy
explains the whiny cringefest he displayed earlier
>>
/all Hey guys did you know that if you repeatedly buy and sell a bracer/nulltalisman/wrathband on the pregame screen, you can buy one for only 155 gold?
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>>164073890
nobody socially acceptable can ever be our lad, my lad
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>>164028325
Winning and losing doesn't matter for calibration. It just takes your stats into account (such as GPM and XPM, not sure if damage dealt or healing still matter).
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>>164028325
your pre-calibration hidden mmr is 80% of your eventual real mmr
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>>164028325
your MMR is generally predetermined depending on your unranked MMR - calibration only changes it by several hundreds.
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>>164073810
absolutely not
valve will probably just find her account and disable some shit then say it was their own mistake for letting that sort of access be stolen
maybe some more ass kissing
hell maybe not even say anything at all to the public
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>>164073629
Absolutely,that why new AM lore is so fucking shit
You want to end all magic but you literally use fucking alot of it?
I think at some point,the mage comunity probaly have enough of this kid shit and gang up and fucking rape him
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>>164073971
Since when valve become so shitty of a company
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>someone donated 2.1k to cap
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>>164064550
>Earth Spirit, str hero, stun, silence, slow and that fucking shit he does with aghs(both allies or enemies).
>Nyx Assassin, agi hero, stun, mana burn and reflect damage, aghs allows manaburn camping.
>Abaddon, str hero, heal, shield and absorbs damage using aghs.
>Omni Knight, str hero, heal, slow, repel(spell immunity) and (global, using aghs) physical damage immunity

>why would you ever play something that isn't an intelligence hero?

Almost all skills have cooldown, so, once you throw every skill you have on enemy team, what you are going to do? You either run away or right click. Oh, and omniknight(aka walking BKB).
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>>164074164
When they found out that there's no cops in the esports world.
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>>164074219
what did he mean by this?
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>>164074164
when they realized hats are rolling in billions
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>mischief gives MK 350 MS at lvl1 for FREE
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>>164064857
>reality warping

venge's ultimate
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>>164073240
sooner this g ame dies the better
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At this point I kinda hated that lil shit head CEO in Blizzard who think that Dota isnt a profitable and have a lot of potential game
If only Blizzard accept IceFrog that day
If only
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>>164074475
Wasn't dota always a shit show if you played it too much?
We're not all autistic enough to like it after 12 years of playing it like the oldfags.
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>3 Mjollners are better than a Linkens + Skadi on Medusa
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>>164074535
All blizzard games are well polished.

>>164074521
Valve is just as bad if not worse because they're making 1 million people suffer with the bad UI, fps and shit balance while ruru only makes the chinks suffer.
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>>164074857
imagine dota 2 by Blizzard dude
Hell they still even roll out update for warcraft 3,13 years after the release
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>>164074857
>cheats against every single team chinks ever played against
>"only makes chinks suffer"
????????????
>>
Remember the good old time when valve havent turn to shit yet?
Remember DireTide?
Member Wraith Night?
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>>164075227
I still remember grind Wraith Night,not only because its fun,but also because it give alot of free cool shit.
But then,valve become to greedy and lazy with their own MOST PLAYED game.
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>>164075194
You mean LGD. Despite all that, they're still shit and always have been so scrims mean nothing.
Most of the cheating was done vs chink teams in chink tourneys.
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>>164074535
Blizzard would not be able to put up with Icefrog.
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>>164067864
I'm terrified people are going to rediscover Oracle, all it'll take is a single competitive game and boom he'll get nerfed again.
>>
Blizzard halved the mineral content from 1500 minerals to 750 so games could end faster because there's less resources available in sc2 LOTV. That's really similar to how valve reduced jungle spawns.
They're both shit. Blizzard would also force memefights
>>
I'd rather have Valve than Activision (Blizzard) running Dota 2.

You only need to look at Heroes of the Storm to see what they thought of Dota.
>>
ok thanks
>>
>8.00
>only 3 creeps per lane
>creeps give 50 experience
>killing the creepwave in one hit gives a bonus 75 experience
>denying creeps nets you 10 exp
>jungle spawns every 1:30 interval instead of every other minute

y/n?
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>>164075659
To be fair though,they dont have Ice toad
If only bois,if only
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>>164075873
probably
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>>164074219
inb4 they undo the donation, they still can do that
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>>164075547
Same, that's why I'm riding this train as much as I can while he's still ridiculously strong. Even his "hard counters" (Axe/AA) honestly don't give me much trouble.
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>>164067689
please respond
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>it's up to icefrog to decide how to punish ruru and LGD

is valve completely cucked?
>>
>listen to some anon about how the new illusions work
>go chaos knight
>free stats talent trees
>Echo sabre into thor's hammer(silver edge second for a pa game)
>Sending enemies bouncing on armageddons wings.
holy fuck this hero is so much more fun, armlet isn't even needed with his free stats.
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>>164076130
>letting a man who got fired ages ago ruin billions of income
?
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>>164076130
He's the lead designer of the Dota 2 team so
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>>164076192
>not playing the patricians pick of support chaos knight

>use your F R E E S T A T S to abuse being strong early
>roam and gank with your fucking 4 second meme stun and -6 armor on reality rift
>get aghs and drop it on the carry when their stupid third world peruvian ass gets caught out
>now youre the carry
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>>164076385
what is this variant of anime animeation
>>
patch 8.00

jungles now automatically stack
infinitely

jungle camps are now aggressive and will attack and chase anyone caught in their spawn boxes

jungle can now fight other jungle creeps

adds 10 more camps (5 per side) into the sides of the and top left and bottom right corners
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>>164076385
Time to support every peruvian anti mage. You're a genius.
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>>164076268
The theory that Icefrog got fired is so stupid because it assumes Icefrog is a perfect human being who does no wrong.
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>>164076478
Looks like flash made anime artstyle.
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>>164076496
At least add the option for neutrals to use their abilities against the heroes
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This Ember Wizard build still seems pretty game losing to me but how is this not a GoodQoP?
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>>164076516
I like this variation
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FUCKING VALVE STOP HAVING VACATION WHERES MY PATCH FIX THIS SHIT UI. FIX THEESE SHITTY BUGS IM UNINSTALLING I SWEAR

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>Satanic gives 75 damage to STR heroes now.

Jesus.
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>chink scum have been hacking and cheating for literally 3 years now
>reddit in maximum damage control and keeping the upvotes to a minimum to cover it up
>valve desperate to ignore it
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>>164077140
>>reddit in maximum damage control and keeping the upvotes to a minimum to cover it up
it's 93% upvoted
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>>164077204
it has pathetic upvote # compared to other posts

either the mods or the userbase are terrified of being politically incorrect and accusing le epic third worlders who can do no fucking wrong of fraud
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>this chink shitfest

I have HAD it with these ricebois. It is time to unleash the ultimate weapon in retaliation

Someone put makeup on RTZ so he looks like a chink and then have him do his thing on chink teams.
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>>164077401
ok this made me kek
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>>164077309
It's one of the three threads on the front page that has over 1000 upvotes. You're trying really hard to force the idea that Reddit is everything that's wrong with this game.
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>>164077309
>>164077140
reddit is 100% rigged
the upvotes are just a fantasy number produced by an "algorithm"
mods can set it at whatever they want
>>
So what the actual fuck happened to my plus six treants???
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>>164077062
>One Helm of the Dominator grants a total of 120 health, 8.18 health regeneration, 0.86 armor, 26 attack speed, 72 mana, 0.24 mana regeneration, 0.375% spell damage and 6 attack damage.
>900aoe aura that gives 10AS and 8HP regen
>Dominate active with minimum base health of 1400 and set movement speed of 425 to any neutral
>1800 Gaben shekels

Apparently the sale hit the in-game shop too
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>>164077492
that shit should have 10k upvotes
theres a post with 3x more upvotes just le ebin meme picutre xd from about the same timeperiod

these people have been defrauding all of dota for 3 fucking years

all because chinks are jews
actually they're literally badjews because at least jewjews do some good for the world
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>>164077548
1100 health 60 damage treants now.
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>>164077604
>theres a post with 3x more upvotes just le ebin meme picutre xd from about the same timeperiod
Probably because the le ebin meme picutre xd is way more digestible than that indecipherable translation.
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why dont you guys go back if you guys like plebbit so much instead of dragging it here
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>>164077604
>rubbing of hands intensifies
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>>164077623
>it's real
>>
>DOTA2 normals
>Game's a stomp
>People AFK
>Game ends
>LOL THOSE NOOBS EZ

>DOTA2 customs
>Game's a stomp
>People leave when there's no point to play
>Game ends
>People go fucking nuclear about enemy leaving when they clearly got the win so hard the enemy left

What the fuck is this shit?
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>>164077548
It was too good
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>>164077809
Valve can't force people in custom games to suffer. Nothing wrong herem
>>
Reminder that because of /pol/ there is zero difference between Reddit and 4chan other than a shitposting scorecard.

Reminder that with the removal of (You)'s, 4chan IS BadReddit
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>>164068835

>400% true strike crit every 12 seconds
>Ahgs,Force and Blink turns you into Lee Sin the Blind Monk
>Literally becomes Phantom assassin at level 25

Buy big Damage and play him as a anti-carry you fuck nerd
>>
>>164077898

What I don't get, is why the winning team gets absolutely psychotic about not being able to win via ancient, when the enemy team just cries in all chat then leaves!

That should be more satisfying imo
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>>164077910
Fuck off retard
you were only pretending to be retarded
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>>164078008
>>400% true strike crit every 12 seconds
It's 500% true strike crit if you take the talent at level 25
>>
>>164077910

How are you supposed to even know when someone is talking to you if there is no (You)??
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>make a joke about EE being bad
>banned from hosting forever

>cheat in esports for 3 years straight
>hack inventories and make it look like competitors were behind it
>no punitive action taken
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>>164078008
Remider that you can snowball outside of MK's ult and nullify his ult with a kick
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>>164078021
I don't care what's satisfying though. All I care about is that there should be a forfeit option in normal dota as well.
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>>164078131
I thought 2GD got banned for making lewd jokes on camera
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Are MVP still our guys?
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>>164078097
theres dots under the reply link now
i dnno
its fucking dumb
>>
at no point were subhuman plastic gookshitters ever considered anything even close to our guys

back to scv with you
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>>164067689
>>164076087
I guess that's a no
>>
How do we stop corporate companies from abusing us?
Valve and LGD and shit. They should be fined for this shit. There's no regulation. This needs to be fixed. The governments should get involved and put up a world esports committee that punishes and regulates competitive multiplayer games.
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>>164078391
Hasn't it only been 12 hours since news of this broke out? Calm down nerd
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>>164078131
Why do you think LGD got invited to Boston for free? Gaben says it's awwight. He probably knew it since 2013
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>>164078391
>government-regulated esports

pls no

otherwise even esports gets turned into political warfare
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>news of chinks hacking and defrauding dota for 3 years broke at the exact time period in the year when everyone is on vacation and it will go ignored

really
engages
those
neuronal
circuits
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>>164078603
Valve will "forget" about it by the time they're back.
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>>164078297

Nice revisionist history.
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>>164078595
>esports ARENT political warfare

have you checked out twitch or any /vg/ thread during esports
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>>164078603
and they knew about it in november huh

valve is truly scum of the earth
owned by the chinks
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>>164078595
Valve's incompetence has gone on long enough. Maybe if there were consequences for their laziness, this game wouldn't be shit. They're doing whatever they want JESUS CHRIST.
>>
Valve don't give a fuck about esports, they just want your money, they just want you to buy their compendiums battle passes arcanas terrains etc
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why the fuck did bruno feel the need to change the ui.
>>
Valve will lose 90% of chinese dota as a whole if they take action.
But if they ignore it, nobody will care. Reddit will whine but so what?
>>
>>164078953
>new thing replaces old thing
>people act like old thing was perfect
every time

The new UI is bad but the old UI wasn't sunshine and rainbows either
>>
what the fuck is going on. I absolutely fucking despise browsing reddit so someone link me a thread to whatever drama is going on right now
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>>164079007
what happened?
>>
>>164079091
>>164079104
>Basically teams try stuff out in non-official games and keep those strats secret for tournaments and no one leaks them most of the time and Ruru had the API key that Valve uses that can access all the games so she basically had the info on those while no one else does which gives her team(s) an unfair advantage, at least. They also moved some valuable hats and claimed those were scammed by rival betting site so they can report to Valve.
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>>164079083
I didnt even like the old UI but at least it made sense and didnt hide vital information from you. the nu-ui makes the game physically painful to play because i have a headache after every game
>>
>>164078953

Old UI had so much wasted space it was insane.

They need to make some changes to the new UI but it will end up objectively better.
>>
>>164079245
They just need to move KDA and CS to bottom right, make attributes visible without hover, and bring back old shop. But they're stubborn so it might not happen.
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>>164075948
no they literally can't
>>
>>164079393
>remove wasted space
>keep literally everything else the same
>retards who only look at their hero and non shitters are all happy

i still cant fathom why valve didnt just remove all the useless bits and keep the hub basically the same otherwise
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>>164078769
now that you've mentioned it...


AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

MUH NEURONS ARE ON OVERDRIVE
>>
>>164079104
>>164079091
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/5kwwd6/full_translation_of_lgdruru_scandal/
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>>164078391
Valve will do nothing lamo
there's a lot of $ in china and VPgame's betting shit is one of them
>>
>Get dire
>lose

UDHNSIUFJHNDOGNSOD
>>
Valve got fooled and this is one of the biggest scandals in Dota, if you think Ruru is gonna get away with this then you must have a huge hateboner for Valve. Not even reddit is defending it.
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what chinese teams are involved. Im not about to read a fucking novel on reddit about bettering site owners
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>>164079741
>mfw 5 dire games today
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literally who cares? only autists care about esports anyway
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If koreans are so good at gaming how come they suck dick at cs and dota, the two most paying esport titles?
makes you think gulag
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>>164080092
>Ruru is the owner of LGD, LFY all cdec teams, VPGAME and KeyTV.
>>
>>164080150
because they're subhuman gooks and literally _cannot_ into teamwork
>>
>>164080180
League?
>>
>>164080248
>League
>Requiring teamwork
>>
>>164080150
inferior genetics
>>
>>164080092
>LGD is the owner of the biggest betting site in China - VPGAME

>LGD.ruru stole an API-KEY

>VPGAME was able get scrim data of all other teams.

>VPGAME was able to move items freely between any steam users, they did it in a way making valve think other competitors(大力菠菜,DOTAMAX) scams their users.
>>
what happened to anti-mage?
>>
>Also Ruru's ex-husband jingling(they divorced), is a key figure in Perfect World.
>Ruru is also the girlfriend of Inflame(who used to play for ehome and cdecy), and has a lot contracts dispute with other pro players.
Reminder Valve can do literally NOTHING ABOUT THIS because muh China
Enjoy the yearly Chinese New Year event, dotards, while the cucks in charge of dota forgets about this incident like he forgot about christmas and halloween.
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>>164080248
>league
>teamwork
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Would you?
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>>164080413
farming in general got nerfed to shit. he just cant perform fast enough
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>>164080520
butterface
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>>164054002
>browses /d2g/ a literally dead thread on a dying game
>cries about patch 7
>leaves to the ONLY GENERAL THAT IS ACTUALLY MORE DEAD

P O T T E R Y
>>
>>164080449
wont chinks get mad since most of the cheating was versus other chinks

??????
>>
>>164080593
Yes, a lot of chinks aren't okay with this, I don't know why everyone is assuming they are.
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>its a monkey king builds mom against sven and axe episode
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>>164080413
Meme fight all the time meta basically killed all farming hero. Your hero can either meme fight from minute 7 onward or your hero is literally game losing.
>>
>>164080697
idk man chinks are really subhuman (tho not as subhuman as gooks) so they'll probably not do anything about it
>>
>>164080593
no

chinks dont care if people cheat, they only care if they're caught and dont stop.
>>
>>164080773
But they did get caught.
>>
>>164080593
>nation of cheaters upset that an esports team cheated
????
>>
>>164080593
literally ALL CHINKS cheat
all of them
its in their blood
they RIOT if they aren't allowed to cheat
>>
>>164080449
people were saying the same thing about the peruvian teams that were caught match fixing and they were all still banned
>>
>>164080827
Protip: Only Chinese teams were affected, these were Perfect World scrims
>>
>>164080819
yes and if they stop now chinks wont care

in china it's perfectly fine to cheat, it's only frowned upon if you get caught. not because you did something bad but because you were caught.
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>>164080934
>peru dota
literally nobody cared about those losers, they had nowhere near the amount of weight this has right now
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what's even the point of cheating if you're not winning anything?
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>>164080934
>peruvians total money spent on dota : 67$
>china total money spent on dota : more than US and europe combined
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>>164081042
10/10 post

ruru's teams didn't even ever win anything relevant
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>>164081042
to not go down like Navi
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reminder Chinks have more TI wins than any other country

get rekt 'master racers'
>>
>>164081042
American and Euro teams aren't affected by this at all. Only chinese teams were affected because the API-key is for Perfect World servers.
>>
>>164081020
>>164081082
the difference here is that chinese dota is huge banning even a few major organizations wont kill their scene. Peruvians on the other hand literally only had smash and friends
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>literally have a god's eye to perfectly analyze with every ounce of their soulless and mechanical lives
>they still couldn't beat him
Admit it. He's the greatest captain who ever lived.
>>
>>164081471
see
>>164081321
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>>164081387
the difference is that banning even one chinese org will have massive backlash from the chinese community. they don't care if LGD cheats
>>
>>164081321
>the API-key is for Perfect World servers.

[citation needed]
>>
>>164081387
>wont kill their scene
nigga do you even know what perfect world is?
ANY backlash from perfect world and dota is dead in china
>>
>>164081042
EG confirmed for new European Team representing as EU.EG
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>>164081643
she isn't part of perfect world you dumb fag

she broke up with the guy she was dating from there too

there is _no_ connection to PW if they decide to take action
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>>164081560
You're acting as if the chinese think this is them against the rest of the world, when this scandal is only contained to their own borders

>>164081618
pic related
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>>164081849
>from perfect world
that doesn't mean that it's only PW servers you foolish person

it was intended _for_ PW but applies to _all_ servers
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be aware that it is approaching noon in china and chink shills may very well be present to try and quash this development
>>
>>164081907
>it was intended _for_ PW but applies to _all_ servers
How do you know? Aren't API keys regional?
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>>164081849
never said it was about region, the chinese have fans and if lgd gets shitcanned for what they view as a minor offense a lot of chinese people will be upset
>>
>>164082091
pretty sure api keys are global, there's no reason for them to be regional and even if that functionality is possible it would have to be added on later, the default would be global

do you think valve is going to put in extra effort for that
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>>164079190
Aside of replays there is nothing he can get.
For fuck sake, getmatchdetail doesn't even have talent infor and getliveleaguegames doesn't even have backpack info. and unless and I doubt they even have someone that can use a replay parser (according to Icex3, team still review matches manually)
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valve should have made the api key return false results (or just re-use results from the past randomly) so they would have prepared for made up strats and see how long it took them to figure it out

at least one good thing, unless valve is completely retarded they have logged every single request they ever made with the api
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>>164079515
With the old UI, the game was working like WC3 (ie, game started to render when the UI ended)
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>>164082186
"pretty sure"
aka you have no idea and are just speculating
>>
>Play dota
>Have no fun

>Play other game
>Have fun

Explain this dotards.
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>>164082361
you're speculating too fag

but i know at least that API defaults to global unless they add functionality (lmao valve doing that haha good one)
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>>164082446
im having fun
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>>164082467
You are speculating and have no idea
Did valve want to give PW access to the entirety of the dota 2 servers?
Possibly not
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>>164082361
>>164082467
also nowhere in the api documentation is restriction based on region mentioned

there's no reason to think the key is limited to PW servers

you are fucking bad at english if you read that post and don't understand that what they meant is the key was intended for perfect world to use, not for perfect world servers

so there

https://dota2api.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

feel free to try and find something about region specific api keys

it doesnt exist
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>>164082514
proof?
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Hi anon, party on europe anyone?
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>>164082594
see
>>164082601

burden of proof is on you my lad

nowhere in the api documentation is a region restriction noted

valve are faggots and would totally let chinks run amok, they did it for 3 fucking years and took no action in the last 2 months

plus it was mentioned above that ruru's teams were banning EG's secret strats which shows they were spying on non-chink games as well
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>>164082601
Except this is a special API key that seems almost admin-level, the fact that they can move items seems like a huge security risk in the wrong hands
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>>164082615
proof?
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>>164082836
damn
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>>164081849
>literally 0 actual evidence

i bet you think russia "hacked" the american election too
>>
According to the leddit post

>Chinese dota fans are already suspecting if LGD has some secret deal to Valve so that Valve send LGD to Boston.
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>>164082353
>build new UI
>literally just keep the old layout

its not fucking hard you retard, you can rebuild it and still have it look the same
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>>164082764
yeah it was a huge security risk
valve either screwed the pooch or gave away the access to secure distribution in china
it was not region limited
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>>164082764
it is still built ontop of existing API, it's not a special snowflake new api

it's just the current API with new commands that other apikeys can't use.
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>>164083303
This is from November by the way
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>API key aren't global
my favorite meme.
Dotamax runs on the same API of Dotabuff you retards
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>>164082623
noone up for games?
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>>164083303
>ALL THE DATA OF DOTA2, INCLUDING PRIVATE GAMES

see, it's not limited to china

it's every game
from every server
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>>164082720
So I guess valve are just fucking chink cock sucking retards
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>>164083523
So what you're saying is, PPD is a god?
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>>164083303
>>164083451
fake
>>
Ruru is Icefrog

Defend this dotards
>>
I would literally marry ruru, raise her bastard kids, and ignore it when she cheats on me
>>
>enemy picks techies
>pick a strenght hero
>go chaos knight carry lane
>A click every where in the secret shop and jungle
>eat up that delicious 30 gold
>if i do get hit i just tango up
So this is the new techies huh?
Oh they're bad for not planting up hill?
Yeah one bomb isn't going to kill me if i a click and destroy one of the two. I dunno new techies is awesome when i play him because trenchies are bad, but going against him is far too easy.
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>>164083530
yes they are

now we will find out if reddit is as well.
but given that the thread has very few upvotes it seems that reddit as well sucks the tiny chinese cock just like godz

>>164083564
Interestingly - were any of the teams that beat EG in TI matches from ruru's org?

Someone mentioned above PPD thought it suspicious that CDEC banned one of their secret strats, so he might have sniffed the general cheating out and shifted tactics as a result

Now that it's out in the open I am very interested to see what other players will say and what else will come out of it, even if Valve does nothing (as i expect) and reddit does nothing (as i moderately expect)
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>>164083776
t.inflmae
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>>164083564
just one of the chosen people
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>>164083702
t. chink
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>>164083835
>but given that the thread has very few upvotes it seems that reddit as well sucks the tiny chinese cock just like godz
>1200 upvotes
>93% upvoted
>thread is ranked 5th on the subreddit
>500 comments begging for Ruru's head
Are you alright, anon?
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the amazing thing is you dotards have no fucking idea how big of a gigantic corporate no-no it is to fuck with API like this / let people fuck with your API

this is often something that results in legal action and punitive moves

like worse than the election tampering the russians did

but valve are cucks for chinks and probably won't do anything as a result
fucking pathetic
>>
>>164084150
It's insane to think they were giving out admin access to their servers to fucking anyone, and not keeping track of it
lol
oh well thats what happens when you have a shit company like valve, filled with SJW's and people who don't work
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>>164084142
1200 upvotes is jack fucking shit when nowadays anything under 10k is trash

IT'S NOT EVEN ON THE FRONT PAGE FOR THE TOP OF THE FUCKING WEEK

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/top/?sort=top&t=week

there's like 30 posts higher than it

this is the biggest fucking scandal in dota history, mark my fucking gulagian words

cheating in esports for 3 years straight with a stolen API admin key
hacking peoples inventories and making it look like your competitor is behind it

shit
this is the biggest scandal in e-sports easily, hands fucking down

maybe one of the biggest in video game history
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>>164084150
>like worse than the election tampering the russians did
>>
>>164084249
Pretty sure it was Perfect World that gave the key, not Valve. How they handle Dota over in China is pretty isolated.
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>>164083831
techies isn't a lane hero

this is like saying engima is bad because you beat him in lane
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>>164084150
>like worse than the election tampering the russians did
>>
>give out admin API keys to chinks
>let them do anything they want with it for over 3 years
>don't even fucking monitor or check up on their actions
>let them hack and defraud your users and make it look like other people are behind it

bravo, valve corporation
>>
>>164084443
>le balding unfunny white boi
>>
>>164084150
there was no election tampering, and not a single person claims there was. your confusing that with "influencing the election" but i dont blame you, theyre wording their fake news stories intentionally so unintelligent people like you spread a false meme.
>>
>>164084431
>>164084431
Didn't beat techies in lane, after killing the solo laner i'd wander our jungle instead of taking an early tower just A clicking. or i'd gank mid A clicking along the way eating up that gold.
>>
>>164084445
According to the leddit post, Perfect World didn't know about the API key.

By the way, Valve NEEDS Perfect World to operate in China because of bullshit China laws
>>
>>164084542
Valve should have just worked with Tencent, they're a good company.
>>
>>164084542
what law is that btw
>>
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So support void is going to be the next thing. That talent for 120 gold a minute is insane. You just get Midas and all the totems.
>>
>>164084686
its a bunch of chinese censorship laws
>>
>>164084702
>support void

bade detected
>>
>>164084531
then yes your playing vs a shit techies

no reason to plant random early game mines in the enemy jungle except for vision. mines should be used defensively to prevent dives until lv8ish when you can start planting statis with them
>>
>>164084702
>support void
>lvl 20 talent
are you a retard
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>120 gpm @ lvl 20 is insane
>>
>>164084686
outside companies cant do shit in china, they need a chinese company to be the head or some shit
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why is best waifu in every pro game? is she the face of dota 2?
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>>164084858
Why is she so hot lads?
>>
>>164084998
shes got nuttin on ruru
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>>164084998
I know right?
>>
>>164083724
derete this
>>
>chink scammers have root on your servers for 3 years
>valve unlikely to do anything about it
wew
>>
envy is out of country again
anyone wanna go rob him?
>>
>>164084150
>Law
>in China
>>
>steams API allows people on external networks to move items
>request doesn't even have to originate on their internal corporate network

that's easily a wew as well

how is this company so fucking incompetent
>>
>>164085301
>>steams API allows people on external networks to move items
Regular developers can not get an API key that extensive
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>tfw misery and w33 would have won a TI by now if it wasn't for this faggot
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Finally did it, /d2g/.

Where do I go from here?
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>>164085476
you know it just came out today that literally like 50% of chinks good results at TI were all the result of hacking and cheating with a stolen API key?
>>
>>164085482
sell it and start again
>>
>>164085540
The chink teams owned by Ruru never won a TI though. Have they even won a major?
>>
>>164085482
I don't get it.
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>>164085202
no one hate envy here sorry plebbit
>>
>>164085609
they placed like 2nd and 3rd though

her teams have grossed over 5 million from TI events
>>
>>164085634
Check the solo MMR
>>
Omni to 5k still the best plan?
>>
i bet valves master dota password is P@$$w0rd!
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>moo carries DC through TI
>'people' still buttblasted about him getting the attention
>>
>>164085748
no the best plan is still git gud
>>
>>164085667
The VPGame cofounder said all the players involved were respectable, the hell is that supposed to mean?
>>
>>164085751
i bet its ilikemoney
>>
>>164085751
holy fk i gotta change my passowrds LOL
>>
ppd seems to have a lot of free time for a CEO
>>
>>164085818
You some kind of retard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q573Xf5zZuY
>>
>>164085891
you don't become a ceo without hiring people to do work for you
>>
>>164085891
>be CEO of your own company
>your employee thinks that you're supposed to be taking orders from someone

top kek
>>
>>164085968
>he thinks CEOs have any kind of free time
a """CEO""" for a meme organisation like EG probably does though
>>
>>164085667
>>164085837
>Personally, I think all the players who accomplished things are legit, and I don't think any of the players were using those data, I think it is mostly for the stats man in the team.
>>
>>164085837
the OP said he wants the scandal to involve only him and ruru
don't ruin the player's career
>>
>>164086060
oh you're that retard
>>
>>164086121
>>164086121
>>164086121
>>
>>164085891
generally the CEO doesnt really do much, thats why you have underlings and unpaid interns

my dad is a CFO and he says all he does is watch youtube videos all day. Granted when he does work, he does a fucking good job.
>>
re:164086102
actually you're the retard here
>>
>>164085476
>Forcing team to ban timber even when he wasn't that good
>>
what do API-Keys do?
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>had green shit for the past couple days
>been feeling tired lately
>uncomfortable while sitting
>theres now a small bump in my ass


did....did this Dota2 7.00 patch literally give me ass cancer?
>>
>>164085751
>implying it isn't gaben124
>>
Is core venge any good? I am trying to learn how to do it but fail every time? should core venge go safelane or offlane? Does she have what it takes to be a real carry or is she a meme carry?

Also, redpill me on oracle. Is he shit? Is the build to still max his heal/nuke?
>>
>>164087254
>is core venge any good
>is this character that requires no gold investment to be good a good position 1
>is this character with a fucking suicide ultimate a good position 1
retard

>is oracle shit?
sleeper overpowered
>>
Uh hello where can I find the LOG now?
>>
Please someone tell me where i can find the combat log
>>
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what is an API admin key?
please
respond
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