EVE Online general /eog/

Anybody got a nice T2 machariel fit for blitzing L4s? And don't try and sneak some expensive module in there, I want the raven navy issues and rattlesnakes around me to be more enticing to the gankers

Weapon tiercide postponed until winter 2018, hang it there!

>sneeze and fuckup typing in a buy order
>entire week's profits wiped out immediately
oops

Does warping to something that's in view of cockpit mode or first person view helps with shortening time to align for warp? Or does the ship always need the amount of time specified in the fitting window to align regardless of the angle?

>>163827632
Isn't that the maximum time?

i.e. to do a complete 180

>>163827845
I'm guessing it's the time to align to warp from 0 speed. Ships don't have to "turn" when they're at 0 speed, they're treated like vectors by the game engine, regardless of where they appear to be facing.

>clearing a site in highsec in my catalyst
>dominix navy issue also here, hitting absolutely fuck all because >battleships and frigates
>suddenly he targets me fires on me, missing every shot
>he gets concorded and I get 200mil in loot from his wreck
I MEAN OK

>found an item worth 16m in the last container on a data site
>got so excited I forgot to loot it
>site vanished after I warped out
ahhh

The fuck happened to missile skills? Are they gone? I can't find them.

What's the logic of people who undercut by something like 10 isk instead of 0.01

It's still not a significant price drop so why do it

What BC should I go for for PVE and missions? I really liked the maller and vexor but drones seem to not be what they used to be a couple of years back what with being targeted all the time

>>163833080
Probably trying to manipulate the price downward. If the cut is large then people will just wait for your stuff to get bought instead of undercutting. If you undercut by 0.01, it's going to take forever to bring the cost down anywhere. 10 should be a good target for that.

>>163833080
sometimes people don't pay attention so if you undercut by 10.01 or 1.01 they fuck up their adjustment buying you 5 more minutes in the number 1 spot

>people station trading against me drive the price down
>I buy them all out and make a profit hauling it to another station
Thanks guys

I'm going to start missions for the first time. I'm planning to do t1s and t2s in a corax. Should i go missiles or rockets?

>corax

you can do L1s in an Ibis senpai desu

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>>163832823

Daily reminder that the moros is the worst dread and the nag is better than the moros in every field of the world

>>163836663
Anon these ships don't exist in the world.

>>163833582
either is fine, you probably won't be able to fit light missiles

>remember game is f2p
>log in
>all the weapons on my paladin are grey'd out
>can't activate them because skill I fucking learned and spent time and money training, is now either missing or has been 'reduced' or bullshit

Great.
This game straight fuck off.
How fucking pointless and infuriating that was logging in and seeing my shit locked.

What a waste. Fuck these retards and this game.

>>163837264
f2p is basically a trial, good skills are obviously tied to subs

There's no issue with this

>>163837352
Yeah I disagree, I've been playing this game for years and years and years, like many of you.

Taking a long hiatus and coming back to see my skills are either missing or have been fucked with pisses me off in an strange "why did you fuck with my shit and violate my character" kinda way.

>We want your money
>lets piss you off in the first 10 seconds of being back by locking you out of your ship and everything

>>163837464
No offence but you sound like a baby

Your skills are still there, you just have to sub to use them. Same as when the only f2p element was a month trial

Do Haulers get specifically targeted in high sec?

Thinking of training up to a blockade runner and training between stations in it but I'm worried it'll just be blown up for being a hauler ship

>>163837585
>Do Haulers get specifically targeted in high sec?
Yes

>>163837518
Nah that's fucking lame and was the last thing I wanted to see logging in.
I'm not some newfag sitting around docked in a kestrel.
Can't even do a missing. What a waste making it F2P. This time I'll just stay gone forever fuck ccp.

>>163837624
If you're not new shouldn't have a billion or so laying about ready for you to plex?

What's great about f2p is that I don't have to sub if I forget to apply a plex before my time expires

>>163837624
when you resub dont forget to buy the new paladin skin

>>163822632
This is not the other guy that used to do referrals.
use this at your own risk.

>>163837615
Also do get a blockade runner, it's only of the few haulers that's really difficult to catch so no one bothers with it unless you land off station instead of an instant dock

If you're gonna use a blockade runner always have instant docks and undock for every major trade hub station to avoid getting ganked. Your cargo is unscannable but honestly that attracts more ganker because it's like having a double wrapped package in your hold

>>163837624
Can I have your stuff?

>>163837624
people like you baffle me. The sheer retardation is just... just too much.

>>163822632
Newfag here.
How awful is the f2p model?
How fucked is the potential new f2p player?
Can the f2p limitations be temporarily removed, in other words, is it still possible to grind your way into "free" subscription?

>>163837919
read the OP you retarded faggot

>Hey guys you can play for free in our p2p game with these limitations! And you can even buy PLEX in game and remove all the limitations! Cool, huh?
>What the fuck CCP I want everything for free stop messing with me you cucks

>>163837919
it's okay for newbros, but you'll want to upgrade if you like the game
Not fucked at all
yes, but gl doing that if you are new
Considering you are unable to even read the OP you are doomed.

apparently CCP gave out free SP to certain people after downtime

>bought skill extractor thinking I'm going to make banks with my alts passive training
>only skills that are beyond alpha limit can be extracted
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

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>>163838008
>current year
>p2p
When will this meme end?

>>163838461
always do your homework famalam.

I invested 3 bil into my sp farmers to be able to someday be able to passive farm that shit

>>163837624
You wouldn't have been able to use any of those skills or items without subbing before ascension, it's no different now.

>>163838371
How much SP? I didn't get any.

>>163838872
might of just been them refunding people

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5kjn31/random_sp_gift_after_dt/

I didnt get any either

>>163838872
43K
Not everyone got it.

>impossible for new players to ever catch up to old ones
>ccp now gifting skillpoints to old accounts too

fuck this company, no wonder their game is dying

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>>163839674
Buy skill injectors goy

>>163839674
people who put more time and money into the game should have an advantage

>>163839674
I have an account that is 8 years old.
if I log in and don't have free SP, you must kill yourself irl for being a whiney bitchboy

>>163837264
lmaoing at this retard lol

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>>163840121
>>163839674

Looks like you get to live
I dont even play this account, t-t-tthnaks

>catch up
>m-muh sp!

kys dror, nobody gives a fuck about sp

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/skillpoint-reimbursement-for-lost-skill-booster-with-ascension/

>>163839978
CHAIKA! ON THE EVE THREAD

>>163840427
fuck ccp

how de fuk and i supposed to ketchup with 45k sp given to vets duh fuck my man dats like 2 hours of training aint nobodoyz gots time fo dat

>>163840887
That's two hours on top of their existing lead

And this is a game where vets never pay real money for a sub. They're pandering to non-payers

>And this is a game where vets never pay real money for a sub. They're pandering to non-payers

wat

If you played for years and still have to buy shit with real money you are a failure and should just kill yourself. Only new players have to shill out for plex because they can't easily earn billion(s) in a month.

>>163841656
are you only talking to irl poors?

calling people failures for not being autismal grind shitters is weird m8

>played for years
>still can't make a billion a month just by updating buy and sell orders once a day

>>163841361
All PLEXes are purchased with real money one way or another. Whether or not a player pays or PLEXes it makes no difference to CCP's wallet.

>once a day for a month
>updating orders takes half an hour btw because you have 200 of them

>>163841361
>And this is a game where vets never pay real money for a sub. They're pandering to non-payers

Were you dropped on your head often as a child?

>>163841736
You are retarded mate. You don't have to grind anything to earn shitloads of money if you know what you are doing and have some experience. Kill yourself.

>>163841895
>Were you dropped on your head often as a child?
Tell me, you're clearly familiar with the experience

>>163841906
>doing a thing over and over until you have 1b
>not grinding

the more adamant you are about this, the more irl poor you look btw

>>163841935
>VETS DON'T EVEN PAY FOR THEIR SUBS!
>CCP STOP PANDERING TO NON-PLAYERS

We pay 5 bucks more a month than you do.

>>163841959
>i don't know how to make isk effectively so i'll just call everyone poor :^)

>>163842067
I'm literally in a level 5 mission running alliance m8, kys

>>163842118
I guess they took you in to be a corp idiot :^)

>memessions
says it all

>>163842226
no that's you poorfag

>>163842280
>"no you" is the best he can do
:^)

>>163842347
>reeeeeee you're poor for not grinding instead of paying 10$ a month

stop shitting up this shit thread you fucking shitters

>I'm too dumb to make money
>they all must be GRINDING to do it

>>163842523
let's hear it then, this way you make money that isn't grinding

it isnt grinding if you enjoy doing it

>>163842491
okay :^)

>>163842662
>I enjoy eating shit

How to make insta-dock bookmarks?
I know how to make insta-undocks.

Do I have to MJD into the station and BM at just the right time, or is there some other way?

>>163842701
whatever floats your boat anon

>>163842737
just make a bookmark when you undock. it's just so you land definitely inside 0km of the station, rather than potentially 2km off

>>163842794
And this is enough to guarantee that?
No need for MJD trickery?
Thanks.

>>163843056
Kickout stations will kick you out too far to dock, so be careful with those.

In Jita, however, just undock and instantly bookmark and you're good.

>>163843219
What are those kickout stations?
Is Amarr one of them?

>>163843696
Minmatar has a few kick out stations. I think the amarr does as well but I can't remember

Making my third character on my alt

Which race/bloodline has the best looking male clothes?

>>163843696
dodixie hub is kickout

>>163844831
the not asian caldari ones

>>163844831
>making a male character
Are you gay?

>>163846230
No but I've got a bunch of male cosmetics and nobody to use them on

>Want to join an industry corp
>Taxes out the ass
>Germans
>Unbridled autism

Welp, nevermind.

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Why are Caldari so cucked?

>>163847350
all corps seem to be fucked up collectivists

>people will surely go out and pvp if we confiscate all the loot and give it to idiots

>>163847554
I have no real problem with collectivism but it's handled so poorly and annoyingly like fuck me man

>>163847442
desu i'm not even sure why would caldari like amarr, other than "gallente and minmatarr are kinda allied so amarr and caldari have to be allied too durr"

>>163848047
The problem is the way tax works, the most profitable parts of the game are entirely untaxed

>>163848071
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Besides, Gallente and Minmatar have 8.00 standing toward each other so the game already shows that the Caldari/Amarr alliance is more tentative.

>>163848256
I have no idea about any of that really, just who puts it at 20% or higher that's ridiculous.

>invest 200k into scanning equipment
>can't find a site to scan after few hours
It was a bad idea from the start, wasn't it.

>>163849851
if you think you're going to find anything around jita then yes

>>163849851
Stop trying to find sites in high sec.

>>163849851
Tama and Rancer are pretty good places to find site. They're lowsec so they get more sites, have you tried in systems like that?

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>>163849851
Go into lowsec, nullsec, or wormhole space, try to aim for an empty area (use map statistics or dot lan to check). If you die mail your ship's lossmail to Satori Sartori and I'll reimburse your loss and tell you what you did wrong.

>>163849936
All I want is return on investment, is 200k from some hi-sec site too much to ask?

>>163850019
Why are you sending me to my death?
I could be a noob you know, there isn't much to learn from not even seeing what killed you.

>>163850224
yes, because why do you think you'll be able to find a site in highsec? all the other risk averse babbies are running them

>>163849851
>invest 200k
Whoah

>>163849851
scan for wormholes in high sec mate and then use them to look for sites in either worm, null or lowsec

>>163850303
lmao this

>>163850224
What did you spend 200k on, half a heron? And no, you aren't going to have much luck trying to find sites in high sec because every other shitter is trying the same thing. Get out of high sec and you'll make some money, a single decent can will pay for your ship 50 times over.

>>163850224
>Why are you sending me to my death?
>I could be a noob you know, there isn't much to learn from not even seeing what killed you.
You actually learn an immense amount each time you die when exploring

I lost about 5 herons but I quickly learnt which sites were safe to visit, how to dscan and how to properly approach gates/wormholes

Just read this ffs
http://wiki.whitestagexitbag.org/doku.php/public/guides/exploration#folded_10

>>163849851
m8 go into a wormhole, do one relic site, bring back 50 million, and then you can retire because apparently you've made so much money you can't even fathom it

>>163850349
Well I haven't found a single wormhole signature yet either.
And I'm pretty sure it's gonna be camped, we're talking about high sec connection here.

>>163850443
>What did you spend 200k on, half a heron?
No ships. Just probes + launcher, analyzers and a cpu rig to fit it all.

>>163850458
>You actually learn an immense amount each time you die when exploring
I'm not talking about dying while exploring, but dying to a permanently-running smartbomb gate camps.
Aren't those two systems you mentioned just that?

>>163850761
the chances of it being camped are like 2% max, and wormholes are everywhere you babby

>>163850761
>dying to a permanently-running smartbomb gate camps.
Haha yeah because the amount of people willing to risk hundreds of millions of ISK on a smartbombing battleship just so they can pop a few shuttles, frigs, and the occasional pod purely to pad their killboard is so incredibly high.

>>163850761
>Aren't those two systems you mentioned just that?
Tama is somewhat safer now, the guy who was leading the camp there quit playing. It's still camped a lot of the time but they put less effort into it now.

>And I'm pretty sure it's gonna be camped, we're talking about high sec connection here.
Get out of high sec if you want to make money. You will make mistakes and get losses, but a t1 exploration frigate costs under 1 mill fully fit and you will become a better player.

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Spent hours looking for signatures in nullsec yesterday.

>Gas Site
>Combat Site
>Gas Site
>Combat Site
>Gas Site
>Combat Site

Exploration is a big meme and I fell for it.

>>163851003
>go along wingspan TT certified exploration path you googled
>wonder why it's cleared out

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>fly somewhere to do a thing
>suddenly need a different ship
>have to fly back all the way to Amarr to buy it
>no shuttles for sale
>now my other ship is back in Amarr too
Why is moving so hard? Why isn't there something like asset safety that lets you move your stuff to a different station?

>>163851003
Go somewhere else then, null sec varies wildly based on the region and the locals.

>>163851003
do the combat sites faglord, more isk there than shitty data and relic sites

>>163851047
That's literally what the haulers are for

Fuck it's the main reason to have a blockade runner

>>163851032
I have no idea what you just said.

>>163851047
>Why isn't there something like asset safety that lets you move your stuff to a different station?

You're in luck, the exact thing you want exists and it barely costs anything. https://www.pushx.net/

>>163851003
Yes goy, it's a meme, go look for money somewhere else there is nothing for you here.

>>163851047
>buy stuff from hub
>pay nerd pennies to move it for you while you jerk off

>>163850948
clearly you've never heard of project mayhem

>>163851129
You used a very obvious route that other explorers cleaned out before you did. Just go to dead LS or NS and look for wormholes there.

>>163851003
>nullsec gas sites
>not running them

lmaoo

and tell your m8s about the combat sites if you can't run them

Carrie Fisher just died.
It's all your fault.

>>163851714
who

>>163851714
who

>>163851714
Post killmail.

>>163851714
literally who cares, she was a shit person and actress way past her "prime"

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>>163851907

>>163852151
>does coke for half her life
>twitters Trump calling him a cokehead
>dies in a plane 10 years younger than him
fucking kek

>>163852217
she is both arousing and an almost clone of my mother in this photo. I don't know how to feel about that.

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>>163852217

>>163852345
Hook me up bro.

>muh star wars

>>163852410
why are the new movies so shit even jar jar was better than this

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Is this good for wormholes?
Can I cut costs on probes or is it possible to use all 8 at once?
Is running both data and relic analyzers a good idea or should I go with one (cheaper this way)?

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>>163852449

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>>163852954

>>163852954
>velator
why

are you retarded

get an imicus

also don't worry about cutting costs until you get to about 5 mil minimum, which you won't unless you're getting cloaking

>>163852954
Anon you have no hacking or scanning bonuses, and with no prop mod you will be slowboating around the larger sites for hours.

>>163853075
But they are 5 times more expensive than this.
Never fly what you can't afford to lose!

>>163853091
>no hacking or scanning bonuses
So no good for wormholes? How about lowsec?

>no prop mod
I checked them all, but no rookie ship has 3 mids.
I'll drop one analyzer for mwd, which analyzer is better to have if you can only choose one?

>>163853783
>So no good for wormholes? How about lowsec?
Nope. Worthless in lowsec.

>>163853783
No it's shit in low sec as well. I'm sorry anon, you're going to have to take the plunge and invest 400k in an imicus.

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>>163852954

>>163851047
For yourself?
>Jump clones
For goods?
Haul it yourself or try your luck with contracts!

>>163853974
>400k
Whata fuck man who even has that kind of money? Seriously I would have to mine Veldspar in my Impairor for months.

>>163853783
>But they are 5 times more expensive than this.
the cost of a t1 explo frig, fully fitted is usually covered by a single wh pirate data/relic site

The scanning and hacking bonuses are needed for the better cans, and make you far more efficient in general. The chances of being killed doing a site if you do things properly is low, and if you use an actual ship rather than a rusty tin can with some modules superglued on then the chances are even lower.

If you don't take risks you don't deserve rewards, perhaps afk mining veld in a venture is more your style.

>Never fly what you can't afford to lose!
Never fly dogshite because you expect to lose it.

>>163853783
If 400k is honestly a lot of money for you take the Venture that the tutorial gave you, fit it with two Miner Is, and take it out to an asteroid belt. You'll fill up your ore hold in around 15 minutes with about one million isk worth of ore.

>>163854394
>the cost of a t1 explo frig, fully fitted is usually covered by a single wh pirate data/relic site
I don't think an astero counts as a t1 explo frig

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>>163853867
>>163853974
How's this then (pic related)? Can this handle wormholes with alpha skills?

>>163854394
>the cost of a t1 explo frig, fully fitted is usually covered by a single wh pirate data/relic site
Yeah but I need to succeed doing that first.
Somehow I feel like the odds are against me and expecting to get it right on my first try with the entire world conspiring against me sounds incredibly arrogant.

>mining veld in a venture
I'm doing that now to get money for pic related, but it's super stressful.
I can be ganked at any time and this thing has paper tank. Want to move on to better things asap.

>>163855062
get rid of the webifier and put on a rangefinding array instead

i suggest microwarp instead of afterburner but its up to you

also get a relic rack instead of one of your gravity capacitors

>>163854828
It's not and nobody but you has even mentioned it?

>>163855062
>I'm doing that now to get money for pic related, but it's super stressful.
>I can be ganked at any time and this thing has paper tank. Want to move on to better things asap.
Nobody is going to gank a venture

>>163855062
Replace the afterburner with an MWD and replace the webifier with a scan strength module.

As for mining, just warp out if a non-mining ship like a Catalyst warps in.

>>163855246
You did

dont forget to pre-align

>>163855062
Holy fuck you are such a baby fucking the tutorial missions give you at least 1m isk and you can get all your Imicus parts for less than that

One fucking lowsec site will get you at least 3m and at best 10m stop fucking crying there is little risk

>>163855062
The chances of being ganked while doing a site in a wh are very small if you're not doing it at peak hours one hole from highsec.

Add to that you've got a decent chance to escape a gank since lots of people are incompetent or flying shitfits.

You can replace a ship like this after 90 mins in a venture anyway if you somehow die first time.

Any frig under 2 mil is expendable for any pilot.

>>163855236
>get rid of the webifier and put on a rangefinding array instead
>i suggest microwarp instead of afterburner but its up to you
I was thinking of webbing potential gankers to get out of their range with ab (scram shuts down mwd) but obviously I have no idea what I'm doing.

>also get a relic rack instead of one of your gravity capacitors
So scanning is easier than opening cans? I'll take your word on it.

>>163855260
Not even CODE?
So I can buy light drones to fend off the stray npc pirates and go 100% afk? Cool.

>>163855310
Yeah but I have to be there and watch paint dry just in case something like this does warp in

>>163855756
Okok you convinced me I'm definitely gonna try it.

>>163855383
>fully fitted t1 explo frig
No, I didn't. Learn to read.

If you're not a baby like that guy its a good ship for exploration once you've got the money since it preys on all other explo frigs

>>163856027
...to take this back to the start.

>1 wh relic site can cover a t1 explo frig
I don't think an astero counts as a t1 explo frig

>>163856008
If a ganker gets within close enough range to scram you you're dead no matter what. Imicuses are even more paper than Ventures. MWDs will reduce the time moving from can to can, which can be a lot in some of the larger sites, which means less time for someone to scan you or the site down and push your shit in.

>>163856008
Post results.

If you die I'll contract you a fully fitted imicus in thera

>>163856008
>So scanning is easier than opening cans? I'll take your word on it.
You need to succeed at both. Blowing up all the cans is going to net you 0 isk.

>>163856268
are you implying some stupid shit like you need an astero to do wh relic sites?

Because I don't see why you bring it up when everyone and their mum does them in t1 frigs

>>163856807
No, I'm implying a wh site can cover an astero i do it in a t1 too

>>163856949
Well that's just an added bonus. I don't expect someone new to actually get all the cans though

God I need a fucking corp. I've been waiting for the eve university invite for 2 weeks now, this is retarded, by the time they accept me I won't have anything to learn anymore.

>>163857180
kek

>>163856402
So why relic only? Is data easier to hack? Less valuable?
Or better to focus on one type so that there's at least a couple cans I don't end up blowing up?

>>163857270
Data sites are generally far less valuable. Lots of explorers don't even bother fitting data analyzers.

>>163857270
Data sites are less valuable. But you should still do both.

>>163857448
>Data sites are generally far less valuable. Lots of explorers don't even bother fitting data analyzers.
This was out of date like 3 expansions ago

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>>163857180
>mfw newbros that think they can learn all of eve in less than a year

>>163857448
>cruise round null in an astero
>untouched data sites everywhere
Love this meme

>>163857678
You could learn it all in a month without the artificial cap of training time locking you out of content

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>Dror

>>163857849
then go and buy yourself all the injectors you need m8.

retards show up every now and then on the KB to prove just how this game isn't P2W at all.

>>163858170
You can't invest all of your earnings into skill injectors and still have money left over for ships

>>163858473
>all

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>>163858473
so invest less

>>163858473
>you can't invest all of your earnings on hamburgers and still have money left over for fries
How can people eat both? It's a mystery.

>>163858620
..then you won't be able to learn it all in a month simply because you can't get all the ships and all the skills in that time

eve isn't a complex game, it's just a slow one

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>>163858745
so earn more

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>>163858745

>>163858745
Out of curiosity, anon, would you mind telling us some games you consider complex?

>>163858987
dota 2

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So this is what I ended up with.
Went with 1 nano and 2 overdrives because 1 nano is enough to make align time <4s and 3 won't make it <3s.

Good? Now to find a wormhole...
Any final tips before I die?

>>163858987
LoL

>>163859126
Looks okay.

Make sure to only go for [pirate name] relic and data sites, the ones with things like perimeter in the name have rats in them. You know how to find c1-3 wormholes, right? Don't go into higher ones.

>>163858987
gerbil space pogrom

Have any of you guys tried stealth vacuuming gas sites using the T2 ventures? I heard it's pretty profitable, and relatively easy to do.

>>163859334
>You know how to find c1-3 wormholes, right?
They don't have "dangerous" or "deadly" in the description, correct?

>Don't go into higher ones.
Never? Not even when looking for exits?

>>163859613
Yes.

Looking for exits is okay (you just won't find profitable sites there with an imicus), but you generally shouldn't need to do that. Always bookmark every wormhole so you can easily return the way you can.

>>163859613

Trust me, you don't want to get stuck in swiss wormholes. Also, dangerous womrholes tend to be more populated. and odds are you'll get scanned down and killt.

Also, you're going to struggle a lot with the hacking minigame, considering your ship doesn't have virus strength bonuses

>>163859751
odds are they'll be fucking dead, more like

of the thousands of times I've gone through wormholes I've probably been attacked maybe 5 times

>>163859126
Refresh Dscan

Align at a slow speed to your safe while hacking.

Always have a safe.

Only do pirate sites, not sleepers

Pirate sites only spawn in c1,2,3 holes

Refresh Dscan

>>163859751
he has 2 rigs

>>163859751
>your ship doesn't have virus strength bonuses
It has +5 role bonus if I'm reading this correctly.

>>163859856
Should I panic and scramble as soon as I see another ship, or only when I see combat probes (on d-scan of course)?

>>163860253
Most people will use normal probes when hunting, they know you'll be at sites

If in doubt just leave, but other explo ships shouldn't threaten you much. Some bigger ships like rattles or drakes may just be ratting.

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>everyone falls for the mining and exploration memes
>start to run distribution missions instead
>1 month later you've made enough Isk with just distribution missions to plex your account and a new distribution mission runner alt

>>163862064
At that point why not just play Eurotruck Simulator instead?

>>163862064
I do exploration because I have the money to sub comfortably and get to explode other explorers.

So I thought I would give incursions a try...

The battleship payed for itself in like two hours and is now literally printing money.

Why is this so easy?

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>>163862064
>plexing through missions

>>163862443
It never really gets significantly better than 200 million an hour, which is great for a new player, but there are much more lucrative activities out there.

>>163862443
yeah it has been due for a nerf for like 5 years

>>163862590
>incursions deserve a nerf

spoke like a true idiot that has no idea the investment and time it takes to even run an incursion, let alone an entire community for them.

>>163862586
Maybe but at 200mil an hour I only need to spend 5 hours or so a month to plex.

One afternoon a month. If I do two nights a month that is more than enough to fuel my pvp as well.

I dont think I really even need to make more isk then this for a long, long time.

Reporting back.
Found 2 wormholes, one led to a system with lotsa citadels so I just gtfo'd.
The other led to a system with the whole total lot of 2 celestials, so figured there's no way for me to make a safe without warping into a trap and gtfo'd out of that too.
Oh and it had like 30 ships with names in Cyrillic on d-scan. Mostly industrial tho.

Bad RNG or is this normal? Did I do the right thing in bailing or should I have stayed and tested my chances anyway?

>>163863285
>hey guys incursions are shit
>lmaooo poorfag I literally make 300m/h shooting primaries lol kys mad null shitters

>hey guys incursions need a nerf
>no no you have no idea how much time and effort and skill goes into this

>>163863443
>implying those are mutually exclusive

>>163863535
95% of Incursion running is F1 monkeying, unless you decide to volunteer to be an anchor. Then its F1 monkeying while burning to spawn locations in time.

>>163863436
Bad rng

You should just find another hole in the first system you mentioned. Expect to go several holes deep to avoid daytrippers. If you find a hole to null try that for a possibly safer area.

>>163863623
it's the same thing for 95% of null sec

>>163863732
Theres atleast some risk involved in carrier ratting though, because everyone loves to drop on ratting carriers.

Can't say the same for HS incursions

>>163863732
people can try to kill you in nullsec. with incursions you're making very decent income while literally just shitting around in new player no-pvp babby space

>>163863861
HS don't get to stay in the same area of space for more than a week and risk losing assets to gankers while in transport.

>>163863945
people can try to kill you in Hi sec as well.
People can even troll entire fleets in certain sites and denying them payouts.

>>163862443
Never liked having to transport my BS through hisec. Is there a certain community you joined? I remember reading some skill requirements and I already exceed them and I've got a.couple hundred mil to fit a BS

>>163863718
I'll try again tomorrow, it's getting late here.
Thanks for the tips.

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>>163864236
>BS
>couple hundred mil

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>he fell for the astero meme

>Explore only at 3am so don't get blown up in wormhole
>Have a day off but to scared to explore

What should I do?
Also, when should I remap? I regret spending all those points in mining.

I'm looking for fun, bad ideas. Does a Blaster Rokh fit this?

>>163865675
Yeah that thing is an expensive piece of shit.
My shitfit Probe cost 1m isk and has earned me over 300m since I got it.

>>163865773
Just do it.

I wish I spent points in mining instead of exploration, then I could read books while playing.

>>163865813
it's slow as fuck, don't try to go 30 jumps in it or burn through bubbles

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is this an ok fit for a gila?

>>163866828
no

>>163866884
what's wrong with it? what should I be doing?

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>>163862261
>>163862296
I can do other stuff on another account while I run more distribution missions. I just tab between EVE clients every few minutes and dock or activate autopilot.

>>163862553
I'm making over 2b a month per account. The first pays for the second and the second will pay for the third account.

>>163866828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t8ztNN70rE

>>163867090
you have a 50% missile damage bonus but no missiles

you have an omnidirectional tracking thing but a drone navigation thing would do you better

you have 4x em resist stackinf, and you seem to be going for max buffed when resist rigs would be better for that

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>>163867139
>2b/mo running missions
>doing that retardation on multiple accounts

Has anyone ever made any good ISK with Project Discovery?

It's such a pain in the ass.

>>163867282
>even bothering with the missile damage bonus in the gila at all

lmao his gila won't even be in missile range if he's flying it properly.

>>163865975
Wanna trade skills?
All I mine is R.Plagio because I'm such a bitch.

>>163867501
we don't even know what he wants to do with it

>>163867158
>pvp

>>163867282
I figured the drone speed would probably be better, but wasn't sure if the hammerhead IIs would be able to track cruiser/frigates all that well.

>>163867789
cruisers yes, frigates probably

if you're just doing pve, tracking doesn't really matter, all the enemies are piss easy slow and huge and have no hp

>>163867614
ratting/missions.

>>163867853
alright, cool.

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>can't go above 81% on a high-sec data site
Aren't high-sec sites supposed to be the easiest ones to scan?
Are you guys sure alpha skills are enough for wh exploration?
Because somehow I'm starting to doubt that.

>>163868256
it's not our fault you're retarded m8

>>163867429
Someone was here claiming 2M/hr at 99% accuracy while hauling stuff around for contracts and generally just warping somewhere

>>163868256
use the gravity something something rigs, search market for them. usually you shouldnt have a problem in a t1 exploration frig, but going exploring in a non bonused combat frig can give you problems.

>>163852449
>>163852449
Sometimes I think nostalgia goggles are powerful but then I see shit like this and realize yeah nah they're just braindead retarded

I have two questions about suicide ganking juicy targets (weak haulers, shuttles etc.) in high sec

1. Can I even do this with just two accounts? From what I understand, I would need 3 characters at once. First the one actually shooting, obviously. Second someone else in a speedy hauler to actually pick up the loot and run with it. But third I also need a scout a system ahead who actually cargo scans them so I have a few seconds to figure out if it's worth shooting them.

2. How big are the security status hits and how do people deal with those? I assume you'd never want to get to -2.0 or under, how do you keep it up?

>>163868256
I'm completely sure, I was doing fine as an alpha. Make sure to max out your scanning thing with skills, including your racial frigate skill.

>>163868256
I was doing null/WH data/relic sites when I was new to the game with shit skills and just two scan strength rigs. Not sure what the problem you're having is, sorry. Maybe try getting a rangfinder mid?

is it worth the dps drop in using infiltrators over hammerheads because of how much faster they are?

>>163868256
you know you can adjust range of the probes so they give more precise results?

>>163870175
just go for the best damage type if you're doing pve. if you're doing pvp use vespas or infiltrators

>>163870246
Don't probes have the same strength in their "sphere" no matter if they are 100km or 200km or whatever from the signal?

>>163870175
Depends on what you're fighting. I was doing FW PvP in a Tristan a while back using Hobgoblins and they kept getting speed-tanked by MWD-users, so I switched to Acolytes and have had more success.

>>163870365
this is what you get for being a kiteshitter

>waaah pls approach me

Drones were a mistake.

>>163870337
the more compact your probe formation is, the closer to signature your probes are, the more precise result you get
just google some scanning tutorial video, they made scanning so much easier and people still fuck up
>100km or 200km
it's astronomical units, kid

>>163871313
I don't think you know what you are talking about at all.

Just because AU exists doesn't mean you can't be xxx km away from something.
They are literally both just units of length.

>>163871431
>>163871313
Obviously this game doesn't use km, nope.

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tfw got 130b liquid but I'm not elite enough to join any proper entity to spend them in some supers anyway.

>>163871676
Can I have some b's I need injectors

>>163871676
>unironically wanting to waste money on supercaps

if you really want to be a capfag, dreads triage and carriers see way more use than supers

>>163871731
same

>>163871731
sent ;)

>>163871779
but how is my mom going to tell me I'm elite otherwise ?

>>163871676
>>163871731
>>163871831
me too, I need injectors too

>>163871835
but you are elite for me, anon
now gimme those plexes

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>>163870105
They are all maxed.

>>163870115
I have a rangefinder mid. No rigs tho. I have analyzer rigs.

>>163870246
Yes. All at 0.25AU and max zoom in webm related.
This is a high sec data site, which I struggled with for over 20 minutes; until a heron with faction probes came along and took it for himself.

>>163871313
Used tighter formations too. Got extra few percent but the signature started jumping all over the place so I ultimately ended up spreading it again anyway.
Highest % I got to was ~84.

>>163871676
Why not just blow 25b of the money and get a super?

You don't need coherence rigs, use gravity capacitor upgrades.

>>163872458
I have them nonmaxed and I'm considering taking out the one gravity rig I have because I never have trouble finding anything in WH.

>>163872458
Are you using an exploration frigate? Because if you are, and you have astrometrics and the frigate skill maxed out, then you're obviously doing something wrong here.

>>163866828
>TTD in the background
my fucking nigga
Hol up, 1215 guest? which tycoon is that ?

>>163872458
Is a "lesser" site? Ghost sites are much harder to scan down sometimes.

>>163872476
>falling for the charity citadel super scam
what good would do a super to me without a group to back it up, don't mistake me with someone with actual balls who would drop his super alone

>>163872458
are you using eight probes?
i have no idea why do you struggle, you can probably scan sites in highsec with non-exploration frigate, without rigs and with level one skills

>>163873000
>what good would do a super to me without a group to back it up,
The join an entity worth having supers with like Pl or some shit

>>163873227
Tbh I think goons are the only entity with a proper super fleet that would recruit anyone with a pulse

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>>163872617
Perhaps then highsec sites aren't the easiest to scan?

>>163872591
By maxed skills I mean alpha-maxed.
Are you sure 25 strength 70 coherence is enough for wh/null sites?

>>163872819
Doesn't go any further for an alpha, pic related.

>>163872945
It was sleeper something cache. I'm pretty sure it didn't involve the word "lesser".

>>163873039
Eight probes, Imicus, rangefinder I, pinpoint formation, 0.25AU, tight on-site.
Skills alpha-maxed.

>>163873394
yeah then you could go ratting

>>163873394
Unlike Pl, you wouldn't use your super in goons

>>163873486
And I'm telling you I did WH exploration fine when I was an alpha like last week. You're doing something wrong, this shouldn't be happening.

>>163873486
sleeper sites are the hardest to scan down, don't expect great results until you have high scanning skills

>>163873642
I scanned down sleepers fine when I was an alpha.

>>163869647
>>163869647
Someone answer me por favor, I know there are people here making money with suicide ganks

>>163872458
Lesser sleeper cache needs 90~100 scan strenght, standard 100~110 and superior 110~120.

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>>163873567
ain't nobody got time to make a public post in the recruitment forums to be ridiculized
>>163873771
I would if I knew
Well actually I wouldn't you dirty ganker

>>163873995
I'm not a dirty ganker yet

>>163873579
This is the first time I'm doing this barring career agents so I very well might be doing something wrong.
The question is - what.
I have posted a webm of me scanning here, any obvious mistakes?
>>163872458

>>163873642
>>163873929
I couldn't scan down a "local blood raider something" data site either. It got up to 10% higher than sleepers, but still not a hundred.
Says on launcher that my probes have 69 base sensor strength, no idea which bonuses are included tho.

>>163874142
Are you using scanning rigs?

>>163874142
I don't know, anon. Are you setting the probe range down to .25 AU? Your webm doesn't really show anything.

>>163873995
Are you a huge faggot? No? Then you can join pl

>wanting to join PL

>>163834297
So is it viable to just skip to cruisers and do level 1s and 2s in a kestrel?

>not wanting to join the glorious kangz of lowsec instead.

>Spend 5 minutes scanning down wormhole
>Spend 1 hour finding a relic site in a wormhole
>Spend 5 minutes scanning down site
>Sleepers

Just fuckin' end my god damn life.

>>163874225
No, people told me it's better to use coherence rigs.
But seeing how this goes I'm going to switch to scanning ones and try again.

>>163874263
>Your webm doesn't really show anything.
That's what happens when you try to squeeze 300 MB into 708 KB, oh well.
Yes, they are at 0.25AU and by the end of the webm I'm also fiddling with formation spread too, and end up losing the signal altogether.

>>163874656
iktf

Just after I injectored my archaeology to V

I can't find shit.

>>163874683
By the way you can ctrl-scroll the probe formation together

>>163874683
I would say use scanning rigs for now, yeah. Later on when your probe strength is really good you can change one out for one coherence rig if you want.

Also, I hope you are using sister probes (not the launcher, but the probes) They are well worth it

>>163874142
I used to scan everything with 72 scanning strenght. Now that I have 84 I can breeze through the scanning part.

>>163874891
I find it hard to believe that you can scan down the hardest sleeper sites with that probe strength

>>163874994
The only thing I havent been able to scan down was a "Silent Battlefield" from a shattered wormhole. The max strenght I've reached was 81 or 84%.

>>163874683
If you click show info on your probes, what's the base sensor strength?

New player here that played a trial a while back and it looks like they changed the cloning system.

So now it's fine to just try and max out everything over time? I don't lose anything other than ship and implants when I die? (I know one set of skills you lose if you die, T3 Cruisers, I think)

Is this a good thing?

>>163875168
As long as your clones were kept up to date you didn't exactly lose skill points back then either. They just removed that part. Now you lose your implants and wake up again, that's it.

>>163832975
Maybe you have the skill tab set to only show skills you can train right now.

>>163875114
It was at 69. Changed rigs for scanning ones and now it's at 80.9.
About to find out if this is enough.

how do i git gud at project discovery

i want to be scientist

>>163875604
Should be more than enough for any pirate site in a wormhole.

>>163875715
The payout is so low it's really not worth it

>>163875715
Read the descriptions and note which ones are similar to each other so they don't fool you. Also use the color filters, especially the green-only option, it makes things a lot more obvious sometimes.

>>163837624
Before, you just wouldn't be able to log into your character.

Now, you can still log in and do things, just not with that particular fit because you don't have a subscription.

The former is objectively worse than the latter.

>>163875715
If the green tint overlaps with blue tint, compare with nucleus stuff.

If it overlaps with red tint, cytoplasm.

If it is bordering the cell, periphery.

Enjoy your average 150k/min

How do I make fat stacks ratting?
Should I join PH?
I tried outfitting a normal Vexor with basic drones but the ISK an hour is a fucking joke in high sec.

I'm focusing everything on drone skills and can fly Minmatar and Gallente Cruisers (including the VNI).

Is it worth buying the VNI and outfitting it with mostly T1 tech and faction drones?

Will I make more money hauling shit between stations to sell or mining?

>>163876082
I can make about 400k per minute desu

>>163876346
I was considering a low accuracy and slow identification time until anon gets a hang of it, but yeah.

>>163876303
>ISK an hour is a fucking joke in high sec.
shocking truth

>>163876303
You can make good ISK in high sec, but it certainly does not involve belt ratting. Belt ratting is only lucrative in null.

>>163877029
I'm talking anom ratting.
It's still shit. Like 200k ticks. Who gives a shit.

>>163877168
Not worth it either in high sec.

If you want to make money by shooting npcs in high sec then find the best agents to run and blitz lvl 4 missions for and make dosh thanks to the LP store or train up for incursions

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>corp has me sitting with my thumb up my ass in lowsec staging
>can't null rat as normal
>can't null mine as normal

Fuck, is it worth just buying a shitfit catalyst and blitzing L2s?
I don't want more shit to move afterwards so it would have to be something I can easily afford (<10-20mil) and can just leave in station or make a free contract for when I leave.
I know how to pilot, I just never spent much time in eleety lulsec before, so not sure what people do for money.

>>163877810
this post is a good example of the intelligence and knowledge of your average nullsec drone

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And this is just from the first high sec site I found.
I shall invest this in faction probes.

Can't wait to see what riches await in wormholes!
Exploration here I come!

Thank you /eog/!

>>163878140
you'll only get blown up a lot in wormholes, go to 0.0 instead (through wormholes)

>>163878014
>"hey guys I'm stuck without an income in an area I usually don't inhabit, any tips?"

>"lmao fucking retarded null drone, not knowing everything about elite lowsec"

Someone seems a bit butthurt? Get another application rejected for being a shitter and not knowing how to fleet?

>>163878228
I've done lots of wh in herons and only got blown once. That said I've barely ever even seen highsec sites, let alone made more than 10k in them. I managed 700m in 2 weeks with whs alone (mostly by probing through null).

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tfw you buy 10 skill injectors :^)

>>163878374
>calls other people shitter
>literally only knows how to mine rocks and warp belt to belt killing rats or do what his FC daddy tells him in a 100 men fleet

???

>>163878228
Oh I will, whenever possible.
Still, what's to be afraid of if I can replace my ship four times over by doing some risk-free highsec sites whenever I get low on isk?

>>163878228
stop this shit meme, wormholes are 99% empty

>>163878685
Yeah I've never died in a worm but null is very risky to explore in

Especially because finding a wormhole out is unreliable so you have to gate

>>163878685
I hate how I have to hit dscan every 5 seconds in a WH it's not comfy

>>163878925
You can just warp to a planet, make a pin halfway through and then warp to that. Then you can take all the time you need to scan whatever.

>>163878925
just probe lowsec. most wormholes in lowsec are c1-c3, there's a shitload of u210s, then check out any nullsecs in those or in low you come accross

>>163878482
>calls people names for how they play the game
>assumes that a persons preferred isk making strategies are their only available strategies

>upset when he is called a shitter

What you are doing is video game shitter 101 stuff bud. Caring how other's play games, being upset over who they choose to affiliate with, it all screams shitter. It also highlights a likely heaping of jealousy.

If you don't wanna help, or at least discuss, why reply?
Go and berate your pets or some shit anon, it will get you about as far as attacking me for your percieved slights commited by "null drones".