/dfg/- Dwarf Fortress General

>First for Christmas miracle update

>>163593152
>geology edition

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3rd for comfy fort is the best fort.

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>be in a new world I ran to fix some problems with my various quest giving entity positions
>head over to a huge dwarven metropolis built into the side of a mountain
>bitchin'
>head down towards the lower part and see an asterisk moving around
>leave travel early and hoof it over there on foot
>troll recruit is getting ready to start chewing on some sleeping merchants
>hah, not on my watch buddy
>tackle them away from their target
>smush their head
>noticed a crossbowdorf shooting while I did this
>figured they were helping out
>say hi
>ask how they're doing
>notice they're still shooting at something
>no other enemies around
>see it pop up that they're shooting a sleeping planter
>bolt to the dome ends it
>ask what that was about
>they're all horrified and shit over the death of someone they just unloaded 9 bolts into
>take a step past sadmurderbro and notice a human stuck to the wall of a sewer through a grate
>say hi
>they don't spit at me or anything
>very friendly
>ask what's going on
>start to ask about their family when this message pops up

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Hey, Geologist Anon;
Turns out there's only one type of schist currently in the game, HOWEVER, the framework for adding more is very very easy.
You can see in pic related that there's a definition for the gem "Heliodor" to appear in Schist, marble, and granite. If you were so inclined/mad enough to, you could add more types of stone, including Schist, and add/modify gemstones so they appear in the absolutely correct layer types.
Modding DF is easy, it's all text files. Documentation for how stone is formed is found here. The DF wiki is pretty good:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Inorganic_material_definition_token

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>>163593957
So, from looking further down the sewer via the next grate it looks like it was one of the Giants that had fooled a civ into believing they were a deity, and decided swimming around in the sewers was a good plan.

The dude Snamoz stuck into the wall there is a werebull apparently, but it was very confusing because checking the story telling list for the town has a dwarf with a big long Snamoz the blahblahbhdfh name as well, but that one is a werepanda.

While I was trying to pick out which entries were the human dude I kept coming across this:
>In the early spring of 843 the dwarf Snamoz devoured a huntsman spider of blahblahblah

So at this point the giggles start, then I track down the human Snamoz and find that he was NOT going to be outdone because he went on a binge and ate 6 or 7 beak dogs in one rampage, back to back to back, etc.

wut

>>163593885
>1cat
not lmao

>>163593810

>native aluminium in obsidian

I have heard of high concentrations of alumina (aluminium oxide) in certain basalts, but finding aluminium outside of a mineral source inside volcanic deposits no less is highly unlikely.

To be perfectly frank most of my knowledge around volcanic ore-bearing bodies is around porphyry copper deposits, so my knowledge of anything outside of aluminium in mineral formations is thin at best.

>>163593810
Not him but it's not usual.

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Merry Christmas, Urists.

>>163594138

The problem with this is that you would have to add many entries for sedimentary and metamorphic rocks in particular to nail perfectly geologically correct naming conventions. Although fifty gorillion definitions on sedimentary rocks based on clastic composition would probably be autism to the extreme, especially since it doesn't add very much to game play unless df has a focus on the aggregates industry. I suppose a little fluff can be added, but I have no idea how df even handles ore deposits. I should probably play the game before diving head first into modding it.

>>163594597
Yeah it's the first time I've ever seen it in Dwarf fortress myself, so I was pretty surprised. Been playing since 0.31

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>>163594678
>internet explora

>>163595028
>Not wanting extreme geology autism
When playing DF, you will find an irrational desire to make everything out of certain stones, having more variety will only make this more satisfying.

>>163595028
>I have no idea how df even handles ore deposits
it's really simple. certain ores and minerals have a chance of appearing in certain rocks. it's as simple as that.

>>163596571
pretty much this. DF simulates the placement of stone layers, not down to individual ore veins or anything.

>>163594678
>that thousand yard stare on the dwarf

This is more like human propaganda on enslaving the non-mundane races. Not christmassy/10

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So basically, I'm writing a documentation for how different RAW tokens affect worldgen sites. The goal is to create a resource for modders who want to put a bit of cultural flavour into the sites of different entities.

Two things I have discovered so far (and mentioned in the general) are the fowwowing:

>making a civ without site level leaders
Will result in hamlets without mead halls. Will make keeps in cities have a multiroom layout, similar to the mead halls. Will stop the keeps from being tracked in the legends.

>stopping a civ from using wood
Will result in houses buing built out of smooth natural rock. Doors to ordinary houses will be built out of "unknown material", and signs will disappear entirely. Furniture, as well as doors in special buildings, will be made out of rock.

If anyone has done experiments on their own, I would appreciate if you told me the results.

>>163597487
I did some more experiments.

As expected, [OUTDOOR_FARMING] controls the farmlands at all sites, while [OUTDOOR_GARDENS] controls the plants grown outside cottages in hamlets.

Removing these tokens from the human civ won't remove the farmlands or gardens entirely, but will replace them with furrowed soil.

[OUTDOOR_ORCHARDS] only appear in elven civs in vanilla. It seems to be behind their tree plantations. If you add them to human civs, some of the farm plots will be used for growing trees instead of plants.

If you remove [OUTDOOR_FARMING] and add [OUTDOOR_ORCHARDS], the tree plantations will completely replace the the farm fields.

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>>163600631
Sadly, removing [OUTDOOR_WOOD] from the elves doesn't make them built treehouses out of smooth rock. Instead, it will just make their treehouses disappear altoghether. However, changing [OUTDOOR_WOOD] to [INDOOR_WOOD], will turn the treehouses into cave flora.

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>>163600631
To date I have not been able to produce taverns in goblin sites, but you can add the required papermaking/scroll/quire/etc reactions and jobs, along with scholars, and some dark fortress troll pits will be full of books instead.

Giving elves the use_misc_processed_wood_products token I think was what got their taverns to have booze properly.

For what it's worth, though it isn't raw token stuff, if you grab the id from the sites_and_pops export and pull it up with gui/gm-editor df.global.world.world_data.sites[id -1] you can go down to the realization field and there will be a buildings entry at the top as I recall, if you're in a town it will have a bunch of numbered entries, the layouts of keeps with the two large round towers, the placement of doors in the towers, where the doors on the walls are, how high the walls are, and so forth are all in there and technically editable.

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>>163598367
Nice dude.

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>>163602619
Thankyou!
Here is one from last thread in case OR missed it.

>>163601215
>>163602290
By changing [OUTDOOR_ORCHARDS] into [OUTDOOR_FARMING] on the elves, I got them to have furrowed fields instead of tree plantations.

I can't seem to get them to actually plant anything, though. I tried adding planters and threshers, but it still doesn't work. Maybe their sites are hardcoded not to make it work.

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>>163602290

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Here is one for the occasion.

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>>163602845
Okay, I made them accept killing plants and removed the tree cap diplomacy token, and now the farms work correctly.

I'm not sure which tokens are needed to make them work, but at least now we know that it's possible to have farm fields on a forest retreat.

I couldn't get the gardens to show up, though. Maybe they're exclusive to the human cottages.

>>163602845
he he he

>>163603184
I removed [STONE_PREF] from the humans.

It did three things:
It made walls be out of smooth rock, just like wooden buildings when you remove [OUTDOOR_WOOD].

The other stone structure, like keeps, mead halls and temples, however, became made out of generic rock blocks.

For some reason, the roofs of meadhalls became made out of rough natural rock.

However

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>>163604084
When i removed [STONE_PREF] from the gobbos, it only affected their watchtowers, not their fortresses.

Maybe it's because the latter are hardcoded.

What's everyone's longest worlds that they've played, how many megabeasts/titans/etc do you allow them to gen?

>It's a "You hack at its neckx50 but it's still alive episode"

>>163609462
Hit the head instead dood

And use strong attacks

Did you dorfs pick up any holiday sales?

>>163613576
I have no money so I pirate everything.

>>163613576
After dark and celestial command.

>>163613576
I bought myself a copy of Pillars of Eternity. Fucking loving it so far. I also bought some people some stuff in the beg threads because I am a faggot with a hero complex

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>>163613576
Nothing im broke as fuck.

And there is nothing i would want to have beside some EA games that i wont spend my very limited cash.

I dont need anything, i have DF, Aurora 4x and various Rougeliks. Its enough to get my completely satisfied

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>>163613576
This is what i've gotten so far.

About 65 euros worth. I still want to pick up Total War: Warhammer and maybe one more game or some sales off of the EU PSN sale.

I usually don't buy any games throghout the year, because no time to play + saving up and then buy a lot on sales.

Also most of these I bought just to live them. Not really because I'm a big fan of any of them. Few horror games and a few < 5 buck games.

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>>163614801
>Mighty No. 9

>>163615042
>5 dollars

I have vastly ignored all information about new games. Don't spoil it for me. Even if it's terrible. I like surprises.

>>163615110
It's a giant piece of shit, why don't you inform yourself before buying stuff.

>>163614352
Beg threads?? Were are those I need them

>>163615746
>>163614352
Also pillars of eternity is a blast! Tyranny too is very good. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. (Almost failed 3 classes)
>>163614801
>life is tumblr
>buying games with denuvo

>>163615746
They're on /b/, sporadically though as the mods can't decide how or when to delete them. I'm one of two people that I've ever seen deliver

>>163615336
because it was 5 dollars, who cares if it's shit at that price range?

>>163615836
>life is tumblr
it was 5 dollars for all 5 episodes, I want to see the dykes of hazard for myself and live it and make fun of it

I think with a few beers I can have fun with it.

>>163616148
It's not even worth 5 dollars.

You could have spent those 5 dollars in a better game, or as a donation to Toady.

>>163616248
Toady can live without my 5 bucks

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WTF

Is there a reason to not start adventure mode as a demigod? If you don't, you'll just be grinding attributes through swimming instead.

>>163616814
I'll be grinding attributes by wrestling sleeping peasants actually.

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>>163616720
i always check the main DF page prior to coming into /dfg/ specifically to dismiss these bullshit posts

>>163616720
>mfw this kind of posting was the beggining of the great two year stale
>mfw I have no face
>mfw I have no face if clock anon returns

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>>163618170
>mfw two years later a new version comes out
>mfw /dfg/ spends the next five or so months afterwards accosted by dumbfucks and trolls

>>163616720
I will hunt you down.

>>163614801
>No. 9
>LIS
>can get drunk enough from BEER to have fun

>>163616239
If you wanna have fun with some of those games you will probably have to spend more than 65 euros on beer.

>>163613576
DF was on sale on steam. I'm really glad I could join the rest of you doorfs.

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malachite more like malashite

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Don't know if you remember, but I'm the guy who got the huge block of zombies just standing around without their necro master. So I used these past 2 days to make everyone (adult dorfs, who are not in the hospital slowly dying) silver warhammers and gave them enough time to train to get dabbling hammerdorf. Then I attacked the giant herd with my 12 dorfs, and as they outnumbered us 3:1 we of course lost.
Now something strange happened though, the framerate got progressively worse and worse, so much so that I had to tab out to wait for my soldiers to gather to the spot on the video. The fight itself then took about 20 minutes.
The fight was strange, as the zombies didnät seem to react to my guys coming into attack them. Also the fight reports didn't show anything but old shit about them fighting some impala heads, which was odd.
When I had lost most of my guys and the rest were on the floor dying I succumbed the fort.

ps. how do I convert cmv files to webm? Didn't find any online and the df tool to upload movies doesn't allow a file as big as mine.

>>163621959
Isn't malachite poisonous when you put it in water

>>163621959
fuck off

>>163623721
>t. Jasper

>>163623721
>schisthead

>>163622615
Yeah what's the deal here? It's a copper ore right?
Surely it discolours etc when used as a plate or bowl.

>>163602908
I really like this.

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>World is boring
>Ask people for shit to do and they tell me nothing
>Decide to murder goblin mayor
>She's decked out with steel armor and a bronze hammer

>>163626696
Fucking armor doesn't do shit now

Well it's still better than going naked, it helps with fall damage and fighting weak creatures.

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>>163626849
They would've died sooner. Had to wrestle off their helm.

>>163627541
>they

>playing a human adventurer whose goal is to convince all the town leaders of the worthlessness of tradition, nature, peace etc.
>murdering night creatures with my two gals Bil the flailswoman and Copnut the Pikewoman
>hike over yonder mirthful mountain
>some recalcitrant mountain gnomes appear
>read off my list of moral improvements, beatbox a military march to them
>walk on a contented imperialist

>>163628507
Why did you spoiler human

Delicious, and I feel like it's something that would make an Elf cry.

>>163628480
I was breaking all of one guy's limbs and my PC crashed. So they're alive again.

>>163629050
>they

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>>163628681
forgot pic like a retard

>>163629115
Yes.

>>163629441
Why they

>>163629519
Because they're shitty goblins.

>>163629602
But there are male and female goblins

Or am I getting confused

Christmas update when

>>163629917
Christ doesn't exist in DF so never

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>>163628668
It's not a dwarf, which is nigh unforgivable.

>>163629917
March 2018

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>>163626404
Thanks!

>>163629917
didn't you see?
>>163616720

>>163622615

Malachite is dangerous in water the same way azurite or any other copper-bearing mineral is. Copper can be to my knowledge toxic to some people in large amounts.

You're perfectly safe in handling malachite, and unless your water supply is severely contaminated with copper then you'll probably be fine. I wouldn't crush it and snort it but once again I doubt that much will happen.

>>163602908
I really, really, really like this picture.

Is DF the only game anyone else plays? I'm not even good but I love it

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>>163630819
tis the season for unexpected reverse robbery.

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>>163605684
More soulraping, but this time instead of fucking the mind of a goblin I'm fucking the structure of this keep to see how it responds, besides this stuff: >>163602854

>>163613576
What holiday?

>>163626849
Uh, armor is important as shit, go let people hack at you while wearing full steel armor except your right gauntlet.

>>163630994
Oh great, now I am aware I can't make skis a thing.

>>163630978
Pretty much, yeah.

>>163631329
If I was wearing gauntlets instead of getting my hand chopped off I would get hit and the force of the blow would tear my muscles and tendons, making me unable to use it until it heals.

It's better that completely losing it, but it's still pretty bad.

>>163631329
>Oh great, now I am aware I can't make skis a thing.
The mechanics I suggested earlier for tumbling down slopes will be a stepping stone.

>>163631474
Unless the armor was strong enough to deflect enough impact and your armor user skill wasn't absolutely crap.

I know people have said at various points that it only alters encumbrance, but that's just fucking wrong because you can see when you do things like fall out of a tree and hit the ground, it increases your armor skill more //if// the impact is deflected than if it doesn't.

>>163631616
>step on a stone
>slip and fall
>bounce over 150 z down and across to the foot of a mountain
>tfw legendary armor user saved my ass again

>>163632110
I said that armor was good against fall damage, but if you're fighting something strong, or highly skilled, or both, armor isn't gonna save you, atleast, even with legendary armor user.

>>163615110
At least you can't brick PC.

>>163632342
If your armor user is high enough it flat out deflects the impact, it has to be a high enough speed impact to blow you apart. I know, I jump off mountains a lot, I like to make use of fake-artifact armor and legendary armor user to just let go of cliffs and drop ten, fifteen, twenty z to slam into the ground.

*BAM*

Stand up, dust myself off, move on.

>>163630696
>crush it and snort it
Sounds like a great way to get silicosis to me.

>>163632110
>it increases your armor skill more //if// the impact is deflected than if it doesn't
I don't see how that translates to armor user doing more than reducing encumbrance. Armor user increases more based on the amount of damage deflected (what you're observing) =/= armor user makes armor more effective at deflecting damage (what you're inferring).

Irrespective of that, I agree with anon's assessment about how force translation has affected the usefulness of armor. There doesn't seem to be any correlation between how much damage is stopped by armor and how much force is transferred to joints. It certainly appears that successful attacks transfer all of their force to the nearest joint regardless of whether they get any damage through to the actual location of the attack.

>>163633374
Iron weapons can damage you even if you have a full set of steel armor and grand master armor user skill.

If you make two humans with iron short swords, a full set of steel armor, grand master armor user skill but no weapon skill, and you make them fight, they will still be able to tear muscles and tendons.

Yeah, armor is useful, I did exaggerate in that post, but still, it doesn't make you invincible.

Minotaurs can do damage to a human with a full set of steel armor and grand master armor user skill, of course, minotaurs are big and have good attributes and natural skills, but still.

Also if your opponent is using a weapon of a better material than your armor you might as well just fight him naked, since your armor won't be of any use.

>>163634505
Oh, and creatures can still bite and latch to you, even if the bite was deflected, and it won't stop the damage they do when they shake you.

can someone post the embark get chart

>>163634065
>silicosis
Malachite isn't a silicate, in fact it's actually quite soft. I would be far more concerned with the breakdown of the hydroxides found in malachite than I would be with your standard cases of silicosis.

At least when your malachite snorting dwarf gets gutted by your local neighborhood elf his lungs will be a sick shade of dirty green.

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>>163634236
I have observed that higher armor skill means it successfully deflects impacts more, and at legendary skill it is damn near impossible to get past unless, as I said above, you're hitting something fast enough to literally explode. More on the second part with this next reply.

>>163634505
I have a lot of experience at the high end of that scale, punching downwards against people in ordinary armor with ordinary skill levels.

If what you were saying was true then running around with capped out strength/speed/skill swinging weapons that weigh more than an average dwarf should make people blow apart and send limbs flying left and right, yet armored opponents are significantly more difficult to dismember vs clothed ones which are then more difficult (but only slightly) to dismember than nude ones.

Hell, a minotaur is easier than an average soldier a lot of the time because it is nude, which is an unexpected benefit of giving various intelligent semi-megas the [POWER] tag, they show up in big huge clothes.

The material matters but it is a HUGE difference being naked vs just copper.

It might just be one extra blow, but it's the difference between
>You hack the human axeman in the lower body with your steel battle axe and the severed part sails off in an arc!
and
>You hack the human axeman in the lower body with your steel battle axe, tearing the tendons in the lower spine, and bruising the guts. The XXcopper mail shirtXX is torn apart!

Heck, that's why I went in and gave semimegas/megas better materials, goblins use the same copper~ tier skin/bone properties, I can hack a nude one in half a lot easier if I don't have to get through ANOTHER layer of copper or iron material property having stuff.

>>163637704
I never said anything about dismembering people in armor, you don't need to cut off a bodypart to make it unusable, a torn muscle or tendon is enough, and you can tear muscles with iron weapons even if the opponent has a full set of steel armor.

You know, maybe you should select the arena and check for yourself.

And how the hell are average soldiers in armor harder than minotaurs? I had an adventurer that could kill angel soldiers made out of rock with his bare hands, he cleaned an entire vault by himself, with the exception of the archangel, he couldn't kill that one. But when I tried to fight a minotaur, he got his ass handed to him every time.

>>163638414
Actually, I think they were made of gem, not rock.

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>>163638414
Yes, if the opponent has a full set of any armor and low enough skill it is indeed going to wind up that you hack into them, the armor prevents your weapon from getting through, but the force isn't stopped.

High enough armor user skill moves that more and more towards "but it is deflected by the armor" with nothing else happening.

You're acting like I'm just guessing rather than having spent a ridiculous amount of time fucking with the guts of the game and the mechanics involved. If I'm not sure about something I'll say I think, or feel like, or whatnot, but when we're talking about the combat system and shit? Yeah, I know how to go in and make someone do shit like punch a dude across the room with another dude's fist, and how to adjust it so the other dude gets bruised, pulped, or sent flying into a wall hard enough to explode.

I've also sat and checked exactly how much skill gain I get from various things like dodging attacks, being hit and bruised, and being hit while deflecting the attack. You gain more exp from a full deflection with no transfer, then a deflection with some transfer, then a hit with armor damage+bruising/tearing, and then a dodge gives a basic boost.

Same principle when shooting a crossbow at something, you can plink and miss for a minimum skillup, you can shoot a wall for a bit more, you can shoot a living target and miss for a bit more, and you can hit a living target for the best skill gain.

Yet because people say armor user only applies to encumbrance the idea that it might have a reason for giving different exp amounts for different levels of success/failure is absurd? Come on man.

>>163638604
Gem and rock are surprisingly fragile, and I'm pretty sure you're working with vanilla stuff there. A big huge chunk of muscle and bone and high natural skill is going to be a pain in the ass with ordinary punches and kicks, while rock and gem creatures will fracture and chip.

Weapons are another matter.

>>163641190
I know that not every hit is going to do damage, there are attacks that are simply deflected and nothing happens, but even with grand master armor user, the force of a blow can still cause damage to you, it will be less frequent if the opponent has low weapon skill, and it will happen more often if he has high weapon skill.

It can happen even with copper weapons, in a fight between two humans with steel armor, copper short swords, grand master armor user skill and no weapon skill, there will be wounds caused by the force of one their attacks, it's not gonna happen at the first attack, but it will happen. In fights where the humans also have grand master weapon skill, it tends to happen faster.

I already said I exaggerated, I'm sorry, armor isn't actually useless, sorry if I said that, I know I'm wrong, but what I want to say now is that it doesn't make you invincible, I didn't say that having higher armor user skill didn't make it more likely for the armor to deflect hits and the force, if it seemed like I was, I apologize, I wasn't trying to discuss what gave more exp, if it seemed like I was, again, I apologize.

>>163635069
h-hey guy?

>>163642380
Above grand master it kinda does make you basically invincible, I just missed a jump to another tree in a forest retreat and fell like 15 z and slid into a wall, armor deflected it all, got me 18 exp and not a bit of damage.

Also, holy fuck at the battles there, how do 5800 goblins and a few other races LOSE to 150 elves and a couple of dwarves/humans/gobs?

>>163635069
/r/ again

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>>163614801
More garbage.

>Masterwork
>Play as Orc civ
>kill random sentient wild animals
>most orcs start canceling jobs pissing themselves seeing the corpse(s) of said creatures

These are some pussy ass orcs.

Since there was information being presented that conflicts with a piece of common knowledge about DF and I have no life and nothing better to do on Christmas eve, I decided to do some arena testing on armor user to see how it affects a dwarf's chance to be injured. This turned out to be a little harder than I expected. First, I discovered that all collisions from a 9z drop (the longest possible drop in the vanilla arena) for a dwarf in full bronze armor will be deflected, doing no damage at all no matter what their armor user skill is. The only damage a dwarf will take is from hits to facial features, which are not covered by normal armor pieces. So I tried weaker armors. Copper had the same results. So did nickel. So did aluminum. It seems that any metal armor at all will completely deflect an impact from 9z at any or no armor user skill.
So I decided to start testing with leather. I had a bit more success here. With a kit of a toad man leather robe, helmet, 2 mittens and 2 high boots, I was able to get some injuries. I did two trials with dwarves at no armor user skill and dwarves at grandmaster armor user skill, identically equipped, dropped 9z. I then counted the number of injured body parts and the number of injured joints for each group. In total, across two trials, I dropped 160 dwarves with no skill and 160 dwarves with grandmaster armor user.
My results were as follows:

>>163653438
For non armor users: 84 injured body parts, 16 damaged joints. Hands and feet were the only parts injured, and wrists and ankles were the only joints damaged.

For grandmaster armor users: 112 injured body parts, 22 damaged joints. Damaged parts and joints were the same as above, however one dwarf bruised his head and skull. It was the only injury that was not to a hand, foot, wrist or ankle in the entire trial.

I don't take this to mean that armor user negatively affects a dwarf's survivability. Rather, it seems that these results are well within the rng for a homogenous set of dwarves. I.E., it doesn't show any evidence at all that armor user gave dwarves a greater chance of deflecting damage or preventing force translation to joints. I would opine as well that this is an excellent way of testing it, as it applies roughly equivalent force to every impact, and right on what appears to be a damage-or-no-damage threshhold for armor deflection. This is where you would expect a large gap in armor user to show a clear benefit if it existed. This is surely not definitive, but it's at least strong evidence upholding the common knowledge that higher levels of armor user don't equate to armor stopping more damage.

An interesting incidental observation: every dwarf that was injured gained dabbling dodger, while the ones that were uninjured didn't.

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>>163652896
>>Masterwork

>>163616720
Jesus don't play with my feelings like that man.

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>Build a kickass tavern full of masterwork instruments
>Have all sorts of delicious alcohol, even a few barrels of sunshine
>My above ground, fully roofed tavern is guarded by a large number of exotic giant animals
>A troupe of performers arrive
>Oh cool, none have visited my tavern before
>They're pretty much all completely naked

Who are these pretentious hobos?

Limiting my population to like 60 really made this game better for me. It runs smoother, I actually care about people as I have to manage them well and plan what they will do. I make everyone cool multiroom housings, that are close to their job destination and I have to actually plan out how to get all of my citizens into army so that all the jobs are still being done in a scheduled way. Also makes invasions and such much more dangerous. Next I'll open up the caverns for added fun.

>>163663085
Strippers obviously.

Pole Dancing when ??!!

>>163663085
Probably a bunch of elvish whores trying to seduce the humans into a conspiracy against the dwarves. Watch out, Urist, around elves never relax.

>>163664807
Now:
>http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Trap#Upright_spear.2Fspike

bumb

>>163668048
These humans are pretty bro-tier. They helped out my military when a rag-tag band of goblins attacked my tavern.

>>163668048
>not wanting to have a harem of beautiful elven chicks and elvish fuckboys

What kind of a dwarf are you nigguh ?

>>163672606
your gay mayt

>>163672606
A real dwarf you filthy elf sympathizer.

Elves are for exploding into gore and nothing else.

>elvish fuckboys
Not just a terrible dwarf, but a faget as well. I bet you hump trees too.

>>163651983
Well atleast Door Kickers and Shadow Warrior are good.

>>163672787
>not wanting to fuck like a bull
Impotent faggot.

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>>163672787
>he doesn't want to dominate elven boipucci

>>163672837
Those are the two most famous normie titles in that list, yes.

>>163674269
Are you saying that they are bad because they're popular or what.

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>>163652896
>mastershit

>tfw adamantine is the only source of decent armor material on your map

whelp
guess it's time to unleash the honkening

>>163672787
>not wanting to wreck elvish boy pucci
What are you? A fucking faggot?

Will a dwarf in a strange mood only ever accept their preferences? E.g if he has copper bars preference will he only accept that type to work with

>>163676665
IIRC dwarf in mood needs certain TYPE of material i.e. cloth, metal, stone, bone etc.

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>>163674574

>>163676737

No idea why he wont grab it then. Hes demanding leather but has a preference for osprey leather and he isnt grabbing other leather

>>163676908
Oh ok.

I don't agree but I respect your opinion.

I'm not seeing any flux stone even though I breached both my caverns. Is this normal or does my embark somehow not have flux stone?

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>>163677159
It's ok dingus, I was only pretending! It's ok to like things. Even if they're propular.

Merry pringus to you all. For your health!

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>>163678421
>It's ok to like things. Even if they're propular.
no.

>>163680057
But anon

Dwarf fortress is popular

>>163680093
>Implying people like playing a game about neckbeard manchildren vomitting all over themselves all day while trying to fuel their cripping addictions to alcohol, cheese and cats

Whats the best layout for your starting 7 dwarves' professions? I usually go with 2 miners, a woodworker, a stone worker, a farmer, a brewer/cook, and a metalworker.

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>>163680057
it's ok, I still love you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_TKgWDZiv4

>>163681030
3 miners, mason, woodcutter/carpenter, farmer/brewer/cooker, warrior/butcher/tanner

Warrior will be used to hunt in early game.

>>163681030
Depends where you start, what do you want to do etc..
I usually go with :
3 x miners
1 x mechanic/architect - unskilled carpenter
1 x grower/brewer - unskilled butcher/leather/tanner
1 x mason - unskilled stone/bone crafter
1 x metal worker - unskilled furnace operator/wood burner

Unskilled means i activate labour after the embarking.

I mostly use this because i 99% of times i embark somewhere without trees and often into high-evil biomes so its impreative to get into the ground at once.

But then again, if you embark into biomes with trees you may want to switch one miner with woodcutter.

Any must have world parameter edits you always do? I usually make only 2 caverns for simplicity, make the cavern openness 75-100 and density 0-25 for more clarity and up the savagery and titan/megabeast number for more fun. Also make it so that I will have at least one volcano in the world

>>163681030
I go with two miners, one grower, one mason, and then the rest I customize depending on the embark. I usually try to keep it to skills that take a really long time to get going or that I can't afford to/don't want to wait for a migrant to arrive with. Things like mining and furnace operating(those first three levels are murder, and then it goes straight to legendary+5 in like a month after that) or military skills, smith skills and mechanics.

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>>163682384
I always max out cavern openness and minimize cavern density so they're not ugly and confusing. I try to keep water at the minimum to ensure the caverns can support life without being lakes.
If I want to embark on a volcano(which isn't often), I set volcanism really high so there's tons of volcanos to choose from. If I don't, I set it to absolute minimum because igneous stone layers are boring as fuck and totally ruin an embark.
I set savagery so about half the world is neutral and half the world is savage. Too high savagery limits humans and dwarves too much and makes elves and goblins overpowered, otherwise I would make the entire world savage.
Bogeymen types is always 0.
Night troll types is always really high, because hunting night trolls is my favorite adv mode activity.
Civ numbers are set so I always have two of each race. If one gets skipped or both civs of a race go extinct, the world gets scrapped.

I did another test

In this test I made two humans, both with a full set of steel armor and a copper short sword, but one of them had no armor user skill and the other had grand master armor user skill, in the second set, both of them had the same equipment and also grand master weapon skill, but one of them still didn't have any armor user skill, while the other had grand master armor user skill.

In the first set, the human without armor user skill won 45 times, and the human with grand master armor user skill won 55 times. In the second set, the human without armor user skill won 56 times and the human with grand master armor user skill won 44 times.

Interesting, I thought the human with grand master armor user skill would do better.

I haven't stopped doing attribute tests, it's just that I really wanted to do this one first.

>>163653438
>>163653551
That's really interesting, it's a shame you can't add more z-levels to the arena.

>>163684907
Interesting. From now on when I make adventurers, I'll put points in dodge and block instead of armor. I had a suspicion that the only real defensive impact armor user had was quicker actions and better dodge/block/parry chances, and this definitely seems to support that.

>>163684907
I remember reading somewhere that armor user doesn't improve the use of armor, but instead lessens the effects of the heavy weight of armor, allowing the user to move faster and unencumbred.

>>163685509
Armor user is extremely easy to train anyway, just wrestle something while wearing a full set of armor and it will go up very quickly.

>>163686110
Yeah, in the wiki it says that with high armor user skills, dwarves wearing armor won't get tired quickly, and I thought that would be a really important thing in the tests, but it doesn't seem like it.

What I thought it would happen was, the human without armor user skill would go unconscious from over-exertion before the other human most of the time and get killed by him, but it wasn't like that in the test.

I wonder what happened to tourneyanon, I haven't seen his trip in a while.

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Okay /dfg, whats your definition of comfy fort ?

Small tundra fort with magma heated floors ?
Or maybe big stone city in the middle of a desert ? Or maybe Venice like island city ?

Share with us.

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>>163687442
Anything in a scorching rocky wasteland.

>>163687442
Any fort with cloth industry and everyone wearing masterwork spider silk cloth from head to toe. Also, smooth and engraved bedrooms with masterwork furniture, and goblin cage fight tournaments are also a must.

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Anyone have luck with a cute little dwarves village above ground? I like the idea of a small peaceful village that keeps to itself and exports honey.

>>163688693
>exports honey.

>winnie the pooh greatest nightmare

>>163688372
>>163688614
Huge granite tavern in the middle of freezing tundra with a sprawling fort below.
Hands down the comfiest shit i know.
I long for the day that Toady will add fire sources like fireplaces, camping fires etc to the game.

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>>163688946
I've not met a single person who actually effectively farms honey in this game. Pooh Bear would be dissapoint.

>>163689131
Isn't honey not edible in DF ?

>>163688693
Mod the game and replace dwarves with gnomes. Export leather shoes and mechanisms.

>>163689484
It's still a commodity

>>163689131
Effectively might be an exaggeration, but I have a honey operation in every fort I do where it's an option.

>>163687442
Lakeside cliff. Black sand deserts and seaside volcanos get honorable mention.

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Trying to gen a world on masterwork, purely for the variety of civs, and I've had this issue every single time.

I seem unable to get a world without a crash.

>>163688626
Pretty sure that's a mongolian dwarf golfer there.

>>163689484
It is.

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>>163690331
Same here.
Masterwork is extremly crash prone for me for some reason.
Only thing that seems to help is to gen pocket or small world with less than 150 years of history.

>>163690330
>Lakeside cliff
Oh yeah, that one..
>tfw my attempts to build Kaer Trolde crashed and burned...


>Black sand deserts
If desert - only yellow sand. Its a principle.

>>163690174
How do you do it?

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>>163691569
Not much to it, really. If you have beehives on your map just build some hives, a screw press, make some jugs, and put beekeeping/pressing/wax crafting on a dwarf or two. Then a couple of times a year set your screw press fo press honeycombs/R and a craftsdwarf shop to make wax crafts/R.

>>163690331

Disabling the shitty Naga race makes world genning more stable.

Speaking of Masterwork, I've been trying to gen a world where Dwarves are at war with one of the other civilized races so I can get Dwarven sieges. I have never had such luck, has anyone had any better luck at that?

Any cool multilayer room designs? I'm starting to dabble with the idea as I started using multilayer view that comes with TWBT. Unfortunately my designs tend to be cut of the mill "a roof 2 layers up", or "a two z-level high corridor with rooms besides it". Any tips?

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tourneyanon, where are you? i need that tournament.

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>>163684907
I'm having deflections from cloaks and such, leather, silk and the like, and from dropping this dwarf repeatedly in full clothing I'd say the problem is the arena being limited in size among other things.

Gotten 278 skill from it so far though.

>>163688626
>>163691728
Ninedots is a christmas miracle.

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>all I got for xmas was a box of chocolates
comfort me dorfs, I feel like shit

>>163693248
Well I got nothing at all

>>163693248
>I only got books
It would make me feel sad had I not bought them for myself.

>>163693248
>>163693323
I too got nothing.
Shit happens.

>dat pic
Hits harder than i would imagine ...

>Year 548
>Still Age of Myth

Wew.

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>>163693190
Looks like the arena wasn't big enough, used a speed buffer and grabbed control, built a platform, went a little too fast.

SPOOSH

>>163693837
Also, that last shot was with only high master armor user instead of legendary, hence the "bruises through the cloak" I contend.

Won't help with the exploding bit though, haven't found anything that will yet.

>>163693787
>Year 1050
>Still Age of Myth
Eh.

>>163694002

>play adventure mode and kill some titans/megabeasts easily
>NOW it becomes the age of legend

So, with all this, can we say that armor user actually makes it more likely to stop the force of an attack or does it just reduce armor encumbrance?

Is it possible to make a huge water boiler and then lead the heated water in bamboo tubes around the fort underneath the floor to heat it up?

and would there be any point to it

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>>163692561
>designs
Just be creative. Anything you do that's big and deep will end up pretty cool.

>tips
Plan ahead. If you're going to have crisscrossing paths and elevated walkways you'll save yourself a lot of headache if you have a good idea of how you'll lay them out ahead of time. Marker designations are a wonderful thing, use them liberally. But don't be afraid to freehand your designations in places where you have little chance of fucking up your other plans. If you're going to do plumbing you need to know exactly where it will be before you start digging around it or you will accidentally dig into your pipes.

Smooth as you go. You won't want to build scaffolding to smooth your upper levels after you've dug out your rooms.

Break your square habit. They're easy to designate, but irregular shapes are charming and aesthetic. That said, the only other person who megafortposts with any frequency is comfy/frownanon, and most of his stuff is squares and rectangles, and looks great anyway.

Accept your FPSdeath. Even if you don't dig huge forts that generate a lot of pathing, you're going to be creating a lot of items by digging multi-z rooms, which will gradually drag your fort's FPS down. For every extra z that make a room, you'll be increasing your boulder count. A 2z room will make twice as many boulders, a 5z room will make 5x as many. Depending on how big you dig you may want to consider a stone smashing program.

Visualize your structures in 3d. There are some utilities that can help you with that if you don't have the imagination for it. Tile dimensions are approximated at 2m*2m*3m, if that helps.

Good luck, post results.

>>163694617
Why bamboo tubes

Guys, tell me about when you were starting off with this game, did you like it right away?

This game seems so awesome and I've tried it some times now but I just don't understand anything, I made a shitty Fortress and put some food and stuff on it but nothing happens and I get bored, I know I'm missing a lot though

So yeah, how was it your first few times? And how did you hear of it?

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>>163694526
Well, I did some better testing.

First bit where it bruises the fat? Dabbling/480 exp or something armor user from a test where I exploded/ghost > healed and the test impact seen there.

Second bit after I slam into the obstacle I used gm-unit to zero out and then set legendary armor user/0 exp, gained 255 exp from the impact, more than the times when I hit and exploded.

>>163693787
>>163694002
http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8544

>>163694526
Doesn't appear to make armor any more likely to stop damage.

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>>163695239
Just now did another zero skill test.

Went from dabbling/0 to dabbling/195 and received bruises/broken armor.

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>>163695386
Same methodology -broken armor +15 skill levels to legendary15/195.

Took a bruise to the lower abdomen (upper greaves are gone) and gained 210 skill this time.

>>163695239
*Doesn't appear from your limited tests to make it any more likely to stop damage.

Higher speed impacts show the limits of your tests, however, and support my point: with no skill I took more bruises while receiving 195 exp, with legendary skill and LESS total armor I received a single bruise and gained 210 exp.

>>163695239
To replicate these better: use a minecart and ride along until you hit something/slide/bounce or ride along and try to jump forward off the cart.

>Here's a new Threetoe story (link, forum).
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/story/tt_tales_foretold.html

>Manage to piss off a human nation

>they lay siege with a human and gobbo mixed army numbering 40

>I rally my crossbowmen to the walls and my sole surviving melee fighter a hammerlord to the gate


>bolts keep flying everywhere and the bridge gets lower and i release my blood soaked hammer Jesus who throws himself into the bolt storm and explodes heads and body parts everywhere

>Entire human army collapse and route, whatever stragglers gets bolted down and hammer jesus returns to the mess hall

>Out of 40 invaders only 7 survived to tell the tale

I suppose its a Christmas miracle

>>163695754
I can't imagine how you think this demonstrates what you're claiming it does. The differences in your results don't look like anything more than rng. There was a well-controlled test above with 320 data points that didn't find any evidence to support your conclusions. Also, what does the amount of exp gain have to do with it?

>>163696648
Hammer Jesus is the best.

What I wanted to do in my tests is to show if armor user helped in fights against fighters with full armor, weapons made of worse materials that the armor, of the same size, stats and skills (aside from armor user of course), and from what I've seen in the results, it doesn't seem to help much.

Falling and similar stuff is another thing that I didn't want to test though.

>>163696648
>>163696648
>Hammerjesus

This screams for a new meme ...

>>163696982
The test above was limited by the arena size, 9 z doesn't mean dick, it isn't enough of an impact for what I was talking about.

The differences in my results to note are: glances away, and bruising.

The exp gain was from better deflection rolls, shooting a bolt at something and missing gives less than hitting, I'm saying armor user works in a similar way.

Being hit and deflecting it with armor, or having it glance away, is a superior roll to having it hit and not glance away, which is superior to having it hit and bruise, which is superior to having it damage without the armor stopping it.

>>163697221
I'm dealing with values that are quite a bit beyond what just arena defaults allow, only a minecart will let you test it properly in vanilla, the drop tests aren't far enough, and the fighters aren't skilled OR strong enough generally.

You need the difference between an impact that would pulp tissue, bruise through armor, or be deflected by armor to see it, and that's only going to be occasional outcomes with AI combatants.

>>163697512
You should read http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Weapon#Combat_formulae.
The formulae governing whether damage does or doesn't get through armor are known and well documented, and armor user skill isn't a factor.

>>163697512
As I said falling damage, or damage from colliding with a wall at high speed is something else that I didn't want to test, I just wanted to test how the skill is in a fight against similar fighters.

If you think they aren't skilled or strong enough I guess I could give them both 5000 strength and legendary natural skills, or instead of a human without armor user skill I could make the other human fight something really strong, like a giant.

From what I've seen a steel helm and grand master armor user skill doesn't stop a giant from crushing your spine from a hit to the head.

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>>163693248

>>163698641
how useful the skill is*

>>163698646
>>163693248
Am i the only one who actually care about kids in DF ?
I often build special stockpile in bedroom/main dining room for toys, have toy specific workshop were some poor sod grinds them out by the tons...
I never killed a kid on purpose, i always ensure they have enough meat and veggies to eat ..

I fucked that way.

>>163698923
I don't especially care for them, but I don't execute them either. I make a few toys and let them have run of the fort.

>>163695027
At first I was struggling how to do basic shit like digging (I was using the mine designation on the ground instead of in the side of a cliff). I wanted to quit, but I heard so much cool shit about this game that I played it off and on until I got the basics down. Glad it ended up like that, but I wish I had this motivation to do things like practicing writing or drawing.

>>163698439
I know the combat formula well.

>>163698641
It's a pain to set up repeatable tests for falling/collisions, if you could set up a custom arena with impulse ramps and make creatures who start out riding minecarts you could launch them en masse along a route and observe the outcome.

I've got a pretty good backlog of tests on how to survive things like, wiping out while riding a minecart, you can probably guess where it has come from.

I've also got a lot of experience doing things like testing my launch script, and screwing around with my onepunch critical hit script.

There are simply cases where there is no reason why a minecart should bounce off with no damage consistently while other times it fucks up bones and shit except the armor user skill differences.

My attacks with the onepunch attack are much more a minecart impact velocity than an ordinary attack, and this is where it starts to become clear that simply writing off armor and armor user as "only doing x" is missing a lot.

I can't find another reason why this would happen, but I can see why it wouldn't have been factored into the combat calculation tests: they weren't using high end values, I am.

>>163695027
Im going to be a heretic but playing Rimworld really made me grasp the concept of DF labours....

How can I build a cup? Can I do it at the carpenter's workshop? I can't find the option

>>163700113
By the way, how many times do you repeat each fall test?

>>163700369

Cups are made through woodcrafting via craftsdwarf workshop.

>>163700380
I did the fall multiple times and got no change since the arena is so small, then I built a platform up by the sky and rode a minecart off into the deepest part of the arena multiple times until I got a feel for how fast would let me hit the wall without exploding, about five pushes should jump you from just over the river going north into the wall at the upper end.

>character cancels Extract from Plants: Needs unrotten extract-bearing plant plants.

W-what do

>>163700489
Great, thank you

What do I do after though? Do i stock them all somewhere and they'll go get it?

>>163701716
Nothing. Dorfs use them automaticaly.

>>163701841
So they're good by just letting them in the finished goods stockpile?

>>163701886
Yes. Thirsty dorf will just take it and go to barrel with alcohol to drink.

>>163701886
Build a coffer in your tavern area and they'll bring them there automatically I believe.

How do I get rid of flies?

>>163701716

Suggest you make decent sized non-bin stockpile dedicated to goblets, putting it close to your food stockpile. As well as block cups from other finished good stockpiles.

>>163700113
Then you should know that the combat formulae are deterministic. If there were values missing they would be yielding incorrect results. Also, they have been thoroughly tested using extreme ranges of values.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=131995.0
Further, the formulae came from code disassembly, and were then tested with very large ranges of values, large enough to find were most (all?) of them cap.
Sorry, you're wrong.

>>163702102
Cool, thank you

>>163702694
No, thank you.

>>163701610
Are you actually trying to extract from plants or are you trying to brew them? There are a whole lot of plants that give extracts, mostly fruits that give juices, so you could check the wiki to make sure actually have them.

>>163702246
bathe/clean your room

merry christmas dorfs

>>163705569
Merry Christmas. May your beard grow long and louseless.

>>163705413
They're in the food room though, I think that's not it

>>163706178
>Not recognizing satire

Anyway. Flies will swarm food left outside a container or food left literally outside. Make sure your food is both inside and in a container and your fly problem will correct itself.

>>163706624
>not recognizing satire

Kek, sorry anon, I'm just taking every advice seriously

Thanks though, barrels work right?
how to make them

>>163707453
Wiki.

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>>163707453
Yes, barrels work. You can make them via [v] in the carpentry workshop. Also, for any other none-food stockpile, you can use bins to make some space.

>>163707774
funny fact: when it says "tea", it means all pictures with mugs or cups

When should Goblin raids start and when how regular should they be? im 18 months ish into an embark and all ive had is Kobolds trying to steal my shit before they get spooked. Im pretty sure i embarked right near a gobbo pit too. Kinda annoying since i want to learn how to defend with troops but i never get attacked

>top of peak village
>separate outdoor homes
>build new home for each new migrants
>pop cap at 30
>have general store, smithy, other shops
>almost everyone is a farmer
>we only farm bees, rabbits, and berries
>very peaceful and relaxing
...
>Gobbo lasher kills everyone in five mins

>>163709641
It was inevitable.

>>163709641
if you remember this day, in ten years you might be able to lead an army in DF and lay siege to them

>>163709641

So like a peasantry simulator?

When will this game implement tax collectors from the mountainhome, and inbreeding

>>163710002
I was going for more of a holy monk type of village (I had a lil church that worshipped a god of harvest and clothes or something) but it turned into more of a village sim. Very comfy. More dedicated faith/religious effects when?

>>163697307
Is this the birth of an epic new meme?

>>163710002
Dude, all of the historical figs are inbred as fuck already. Go into the legends viewer and click on any dwarven king/queen or human law-giver and you will see a twisted mess of a family tree.

There's something I don't understand yet, do stories also get originated in the Fortress mode? And legends and all? Or only on adventure?

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>>163711159
what in the world do you mean

>>163711575
Kekd

I meant generated, sorry, stories get generated in Fortress Mode? How to see them?

>>163710613
That isn't even necessary. just have a 3+ years fort and check the relationships of a random migrant. you'll discoer that your metalsmith is your fisherman's cousin, who himself is the uncle of 7 farmers. one of those farmers is the sister of the king, who is the great-grandfather of a soldier who is married to the outpost liason.

Artifact brass warhammer. Is it any useful?

Memes aside,

Why do elves consistently have the most blood soaked wars in world gen. They will fight Goblins, Dwarves and Humans for decades upon decades upon decades. No other race ever manages to wrack up the kill count in their wars that the Elves do. It's essentially a case that the Elves do what one would expect Goblins to do. Fight.

Is this because, were Goblins to regularly war, they would wipe out the other species purely due to their huge populations? Or is this because of the ideology tags of the Elves, making them hate the other races fervently?

If it's the latter, has anyone found a way to make Goblins as jingoistic as Elves and Elves less likely to go to war.

>>163712265
Elvish ideology and culture makes them differ a lot from the other races (no treecutting, no metalworking, etc) and they end up in war with everyone, and end up surprisingly most of the time winning because of their ability to tame war beasts (Namely elephantes and rhinos) and the fact that they never die of old age.

>>163712265
Elves start wars frequently because of their extreme values. Especially their [ETHIC:KILL_PLANTS:UNTHINKABLE](not sure I got it right) makes them chimp out a lot.

>>163712265
Their ideology and culture quite possibly is a cancer on the world, not memeing. Like what >>163712506 said.

>>163712625
>>163712506
>>163712479
And what ethic could I give Gobbos in order to make them very likely to war with Dwarves? Humans would be a plus.

>>163712904
I made a custom orc civ with

[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISHMENT_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:LYING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:THEFT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]


needless to say they seem to be very "friendly" with their neighbors

>>163712904
kill plants, torture animal, low valorization to nature, etc. basically the opposite extreme to the elves.

>>163712479
"Urist, why is there a war elephant knocking on our main gate?"

"I have no idea"

"Urist... you did remember to remove the goods from the wooden bins, right?"

"Uhhhhhh..."

>>163713351
also the orcs are custom war machines as well, well at least they would be if two hearts actually did anything. they dont

>>163713351
>>163713573
Is there a good guide on making custom civs?

>>163713770

Reverse engineer Masterwork civs

>>163713573
let me guess

the orcs still die because of the heavy bleeding when one of their hearts gets destroyed

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>>163713876
wouldn't that happen IRL, too?

>>163714035
Maybe.

Space marines can survive getting one of their hearts destroyed though.

How do I make space marines in DF?

>>163713876
Yes. I tried tweaking it but, I didn't want to delete the major artery bit. [CIRCULATION] does jackshit as far as im concerned.

>>163712265
#notallelves

>>163712265

Because they are treehuggers and eat sapient creatures they defeat in battle.

>>163702531
>click link I've already read
>select search box
>glances
>no matches found
>revise search
>deflect
>various matches from the 34.11 era

Hmmm.

I did a bunch of tests just now and my head hurts.

Riding a cart from next to the ramps over the river into the northern wall with 8 pushes gives a range of injuries, 9 pushes explodes you, so that's a nice spot to work with.

I'll sort through and get it written in a less shorthandy manner at some point, but the biggest result was that just armor is not smart, the range of injuries with any of the skill levels and only hard armor was huge, the range of injuries with just heavy leather/scale type clothing was much smaller, and armor+clothing reduces it to "pick two limbs which get bruised, or a main body+mangled organ" with occasional broken necks or mangled hip/knee type results.

Once in a while you'll get "glances away" even with no skill but not as often as I did with legendary15 or legendary45 armor skill.

Weirdly when I removed all other skills entirely from my tester (who have various natural combat skills) the rate of glances away rolls went down dramatically, so I'm now suspecting dodge is playing a role there because every test impact from 0 skill of any sort gave 15 to 60 dodge depending on the outcome.

>>163714035
Nah, they'd just regenerate and start time traveling adventures with a plucky young sidekick.

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Should I?

>>163715060
Uninstall masterwork and commit sudoku?

>>163715161
This desu.

>>163713821
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:LYING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:THEFT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:REQUIRED]


Went for this for my new and improved Goblins. I even made them a little bigger. Maybe if they're sufficiently warlike after this test world I'll make some other biology tweaks.

>>163716120
Be prepared for "fun". I have a an amazon civ to go along with my orc civ (along with the other default ones) and the orc civ usually wages a war every year. I actually had Kill entity member set to required but, had to change it because they died out too quickly. They still do, I don't expect your goblins to last long unless they manage to wipe off every other civ before they can get a foothold.

>>163711751
Retire or abandon your fort, save the world, then load it up in legends mode, export the data and then view it with the legends viewer utility.

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Is it possible to trim the leaves of the tree without cutting the whole tree? I want to finish building the floor but the tree leaves are on the way.

>>163714795
One question

Doesn't the material you collide with affect the damage done?

For example, doesn't falling 10z and hitting dirt ground do less damage than hitting a rock floor?

>>163716329
Don't know why I felt the need to mention my other civ but, since I brought them up.

[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:PUNISH_REPRIMAND]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:JUSTIFIED_IF_SELF_DEFENSE]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:PUNISH_REPRIMAND]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:LYING:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:PUNISH_EXILE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]

They are their own big bundle of crazy. They are twice as big as a normal human and with the way I have them set up they really give my space marine inspired orcs a run for their money and would be dangerous to the world had I not made them relatively peaceful.

How do I become the mountainhome in the current version?

>>163716843
try some lava

>>163717024
Indeed, the damage in the tests was almost exclusively from the minecart bashing into me, only a few of the no skill no clothes/just armor tests had bruising from the ground impacts.

>>163718020
Isn't that bad? Shouldn't it be better to find a method that doesn't involve minecarts, or that doesn't end up with the minecart hitting you?

>>163716843
>Texture pack
Mah nigga.

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>>163717286
>>163716843
Seems like dwarves just ignore leaves and construct over them. Only the trunks wont allow them to build.

>>163718321
A minecart is a nice reliable source of a heavy impact AND delivery method.

Hop on a cart and ride it, then push it 8 times and bash into the wall, you'll be going the same speed every time, and generally get the same sort of injuries outside of freaks like the time it hit my nose and spun my head off.

>>163718849
I see, I thought you were using minecarts just to hit the wall harder. I've never done anything with minecarts, so I know pretty much nothing about how they work.

Getting hit by a minecart made of featherwood would do less damage than getting hit by one made out of slade right?

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>>163719361
Oh god, one made of slade is gonna pulverize your ass.

>>163719361
>Getting hit by a minecart made of featherwood would do less damage than getting hit by one made out of slade right
Yes. I've heard that platinum mine carts filled with cinnabar boulders is an extremely effective trap.

There's some remains around my Fortress, should I do anything about it? I think it's the cat killing stuff but I don't know how to deal with it

>>163722973
Open your stocks screen, go to the animals tab, scroll down to the cat, hit b.

>>163724451
why would you say that

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Just a small example of my orc civ insanity. Most of their history is full of violent gang warfare among themselves with the occasional big war with the other races.

>you have struck native gold!

G-great

N-now what

>>163725695
keep striking it for some native gold rocks

>>163725695
Smelt them nuggets nigga.Then rebuild your entire fort in gold. Unless you don't have enough, in which case, just make some useless crafts, maybe some furniture just in case you have a bad case of the nobles.

>>163724617
It's how to deal with cats killing stuff.

>>163702531
I think it was actually something else going on now, I've never tested high armor user without high dodging, but doing the same tests with legendary dodging got "but the attack glances away!" far more often than it did at any point during the armor user+no other skill tests, so I'm guessing now that "glances away" means you dodged or some shit technically?

>>163725890
>smelt
No. Native gold is basically gold (same base value). Unrestrict it from economic and have your masons and stoneworkers go to town.

>>163726372
I thought native gold dropped gold nuggets and you have to smelt those?

So... asking for a friend... can I do fortress mode as gobbos and make a gobbo tower? Again, asking for a friend

>>163726523
>I thought native gold dropped gold nuggets
Yes
>you have to smelt those
You CAN, you don't have to. Why waste fuel? (Unless you have magma metal industry)
Press z to go to stocks, then go to stone.
tap down to gold nuggets and then hit enter to unrestrict it. Put a gold nugget stockpile next to your mason's shop. Proceed to have gold items with no smelting or fuel required.

>>163726996
Tell your "friend". That all he needs to do is add [SITE_CONTROLLABLE] to the gobbo civ in the raws and he can play as them. Also your "friend" is a filthy traitor.

>>163725890
if only non artifact hammers could be made out of gold or platinum.
>>163724617
else catsplosion.

>>163727142
Thanks for the advice. Fuel is never really an issue for me though since I deforest wherever I embark anyway. Also I ask for coal and coke from the mountainhomes every fall so I know I at least have a little bit showing up the next year anyway.

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>>163724717
>was waged by The Chunky Monkey
>61 years of fighting over fishing rights

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Seagull man adventure mode when

Hmmm, I think some of the entity changes had a weird effect.

I keep finding rather large groups moving through towns or hamlets that aren't bandits but are aggressive to me and I learned a little late the first time that people don't like them being killed.

Had a big squad of human and dwarf bowmen/recruits plus an elite wrestler and an axedwarf chasing after me and as I'm running around trying to get them to back off without killing them I noticed one was trying to hit me with a book.

Is this what happens when performers and scholars get turned away and start deciding to take matters into their own hands?

>>163727142
Smelting gold gives you more to use though.

>>163727220
I've tried making gold and platinum into weapons grade materials, but they're surprisingly ineffective when they're not artifact quality. It was pretty disappointing.

>>163728558
Exiting and re-entering the entry for the war actually showed that there are multiple rerasons for their warfare. The other one was conflicts over rights-of-way.

can I do a spongeman fort underwater please say yes

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>>163728804
They're effective for blunt weapons whether artifact or not, but the max edge and relevant material properties suck for anything else.

>>163728930
Ok yes, but no not really.

>>163728675
Yeah, fuckers got armor and a book.

Newsflash for ya, Logem, the pen may be mightier than the sword, but it's not mightier than the great axe.

>>163728930
No. Your sponges will all freak the fuck out that they're underwater and will adamantly refuse to leave dry land. Their eventual drowning is likely to occur before you even so much as make it a week into the fort.

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>>163729139
>Newsflash for ya, Logem, the pen may be mightier than the sword, but it's not mightier than the great axe
You sure about that friend?

post ur Christmas forts

>>163728930
Just looked it up on the wiki, and it turns out spongemen actually exist. I know that the adams do crayon drawings if you send them a donation and a return address, but can I request that the crayon drawing is of a spongeman or do I just have to take what I get?

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>>163729306
Yes, very sure, slabs are a lot better weapons than books. I was super bummed to find that not even a platinum book is very good for bashing skulls in with.

>>163729743
>send you a crayon drawing

Holy fuck what

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>>163730378
For donating to help out the development of the game, Toady and Zach will give you a one of a kind drawing based on the game.

>>163730559
that is adorable

>>163730559
How much must I give