AGDG - Amateur Game Development General

F-first to dev

>>163544908
>> Engines
>GameMaker: yoyogames.com/gamemaker
>Godot: godotengine.org
>Haxe: haxeflixel.com
>LÖVE: love2d.org
>UE4: unrealengine.com
>Unity: unity3d.com
>> Models/art/textures/sprites
>opengameart.org
>blender-models.com
>mayang.com/textures
>> Free audio
>freesound.org/browse
>incompetech.com/music
>freemusicarchive.org
We were so close last thread. But you fags had to shit it up with your sourceposting until people migrated to the other one.

I'm smart, talented, and a great game dev. Making games is easy and fun for me!

>>163545087
Filtered!

just let this man's soothing voice explain how easy UVs really are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhazEa8wmw

>>163544908
This is good OP

Now if only the Game Maker babies would stop putting UE4 and Unity at the bottom of the list

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>>163544908
my town looks way less bad then i was expecting

its still source mod tier but its better then i usually do :)

need to fix the horrible shadow bias tomorrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH21DXduGks&feature=youtu.be

>>163545323
Alphabetic order. Gay Maker is for babies though.

>>163545609
dope moire

>>163545661
Shouldn't Allegro be at the top?

>>163545609
source looks 1000x worse than that

>>163545736
>>163545857
thanks :)

Substance painter is on sale on steam is it worth it?

>>163546026
loaded question. software itself is top notch, but will you use it for your game?

>completely unrelated anime pic with logo slapped on it
you get points for using proper op text though

winners never quit

>>163545579
Undertale had incoherent game design, indecent pixel art and shit cakewalk gameplay , but you know why the fans and +1 million owners on Steam liked it?
Because the characters were there, they had their moments and were alive, they were designed for the fanart, the OCs, the fanfictions, the shippings and the fandoms and blah blah blah.
Anubisdev's furry characters are well drawn, there's some implicit sexy elements and blushing, but nothing happens. Some tumblr furries with a passion for pixelshit will grab onto that and make the magic happen.

gay anime op but whatevs

>>163546456
>they were designed for the fanart, the OCs, the fanfictions, the shippings and the fandoms
I doubt that.

You should have stopped at:
>the characters were there, they had their moments and were alive

Other than that, fair point.

>>163546456
>there's some implicit sexy elements and blushing, but nothing happens.
Ahahahah Anon Anubis has a full-on porn version

but you're not a winner

because you're not playing the game you're making it

i can't do it
i'm sorry /agdg/

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toooo liiiitttlllleeeee

>>163546717
Whew, I didn't know that. Honestly the game could sell much more if people were left to speculate and make their own porn.
>>163546665
>I doubt that.
I'm kind of 99% sure that they were rooted towards it. Simple sprites, some backstory...

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someone give me cool weapon ideas

>>163547474
every kind of weapon for these kinda games has already been done, just copy the ones you like from other shmups

>>163547474
A weapon that absorbs the stars in the background in a radius around you. The more stars it absorbs while charging the greater the damage. Stars disapear once absorbed and do not respawn

How much in Godot should you be doing in code and how much in the editor? In theory you could generate almost everything you need in the code, or a lot of it purely in the editor. So it's unclear what the "correct" way to do things is.

>>163547474
Plasma Flamethrower
Shooting Star Meteor Bazooka
Supernova Bomb/Nuke

>>163548314
None Use Unity

>>163548314
the correct way is the one that gets you a complete game

>>163547474
oh shit nigga that looks great
what's yo numba baby

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>>163548314
You could code tools for do actions inside the editor. Those apply to Godot/Unity/etc
Example triggers, spawners, etc.
The fruit spawner in the webm spawn a fruit after 3 hits to cyan circular sprite.

>>163547631
I guess i can always do that,

>>163548450
>Plasma Flamethrower
>Shooting Star Meteor Bazooka
>Supernova Bomb/Nuke

those sound cool as shit, thanks

>>163548963
tnx

>>163549525
no but seriously do you have a tumblr or an itch

>>163549149
Pretty cool idea
So I understand correctly that for this you would have to use the "tool" keyword and then you could respond to input inside the editor just as if it was a game?

>>163546026
It's great but the steam license is a little restrictive.

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So, Winter Jam is dead, and Confy Jam was voted by nodevs that have no idea what comfy even means.
So what should the next Jam be about? And when should it start?

http://poal.me/694nau
http://poal.me/694nau
http://poal.me/694nau
http://poal.me/694nau

>>163550632
Valentines day

>>163550082
tool = the code run in editor/game and a flag exist for test if is running inside editor or not
You could look godot demos/plugins/custom_node
and copy/add to any node:
heart.gd
heart.png

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>finally start learning load/save system
>implement it
>works fine
>when I test the game though one of my UI elements is now missing
>can't for the life of me figure out why
>package the ""game""
>launch it outside of the editor
>UI element is there, along with the save system (so I know it's updated)
>mfw

>>163550632
>joining cute jam with loli jam
gross but i guess it's the only way cute jam has any chance of winning

>>163550632
well comfy already has 40 votes from this previous poal http://poal.me/k7h7ow

a week or two after dd12 seems okay

fuck off weebs

>>163550839
Are you implying that loli aren't cute?

>>163550839
This is weird. Are only cute lolis allowed? Or is it loli OR cute?

Oh I think I get it. It's Cute/Loli as opposed to Lewd/Loli

>>163549634

i dont have one yet i only really post here

>>163551317
yep

>>163550632
>everybody adding their own answer instead of voting for existing ones
This poll will be useless.

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>>163544908
Used to 3D model a lot in college, just for fun. Did a little work for an indie game that never got off the ground. Did meshes, and textures. But never really did any rigging or animating, though I know how.

Is it worth it to throw myself out there and say I want to model assets for someone's game after I brush up a bit?

Dont want to help if anyone is going to be a confrontational douche though. Just want to model assets. Like props and items. I think its fucking fun on a bun. Just modeling.

>>163551459
When are you implementing ass girl? If you don't I'm really stealing her

>>163551812
I think you're better off just making and selling asset packs then.

programmer/artist/musician here

looking for a cool idea guy to direct my creative talents

>>163547474
Oh you are alive.

I adore this style of gameplay but yeah, visibility is fundamental. You literally can't have a good game if you can't clearly see what's going on.

>>163552078
Thats gay.
I want to make things under instruction, and see them in a finished (ha) product.

>>163551812
Post some samples

>>163550632
Mecha is the objectively best theme for after comfy jam.

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Progress:
-The main character isn't a green square anymore

I feel like there should be an easier way to do menus than just hiding or destroying everything, reshowing it, recreating it everytime.

>>163552163
Any suggestions in that regard?

I tried to make it easier by slowing down bullets slightly, making dangerous stuff glaringly obvious by making it either flash or giving it a bright red color which helped alot (at least for me, can actually clear my demo stage consistently taking only 1 pt of damage), adding radar so you know where enemies are, right now the biggest issue I have is something like a missile flying in from off screen and hitting you or a stray bullet..if im ever hit it's always something coming just from the corner of the screen that I don't have time to react to.

If enemies are attacking the player they can't actually fire on you until they have been on screen for x amount of time, and I could try playing with that, I think the grace period is something like 5 seconds.

Only other thing I can think of is doing something like a bezier curve where the camera slightly pulls towards bullets that get within a certain range of the player, and im not 100% sure on how to pull that off.

>>163552336
we had a mecha jam already at least wait 1 year before repeating a theme

>>163552902
I dunno man. I do the hide/show method. Pretty shitty but manageable when there's only like 10 different elements..

>>163552902
Yeah >>163553579 hiding and showing is the best way. Destroying and recreating stuff every time you change menu page doesn't make sense.

>>163552902
IMGUI

>>163550772
Oh now I understand what the script in the webm does, it just changes the image?
I just did some experimentation and made a script that spawns items into the scene, but is there a better way to do it than to use setters and getters on variables, without making a plugin?

>>163552715
Something about your main character creeps me out. No offense. Maybe it is his eyes.

>>163553678
>>163553579

See I sorta just thought it made sense to have all menu elements be their own class instead of having them be part of other things. So like I'd have one options menu, that was created by other classes, but there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that and then set the visibility of the previous menu back to visible from the new menu.

>>163554204
You could have a menu manager class that manages all the different classes for each menu pages

>>163553678
This is for different menu screens? You want a state machine.

>>163550632
VOTE:
http://poal.me/694nau
http://poal.me/694nau
http://poal.me/694nau

rotations
how do they work?

Hey Guys, gamemaker question:

Have checked the documentation over twice and am not seeing an answer to this anywhere.

I have a particle system that creates a stream of colors for a projectile from an enemy that is either blue or red depending on the enemies color. I want to use the same particle object for each.

When I create the particle_object, I pass the enemy's color using the with function with an instance create from the enemy object.

Two problems have seemed to pop up:
1: If I try to used the passed variable for color in the create portion for the new particle object, it states that the variable doesn't exist. If I move it to step, it does. Is there a way to move this to the create tab?
2. When I try and change the color in the step function with an if/else choice using part_type_color3(), it doesn't change the color, as from what I can assume, all the other part_type_functions are in the create tab for the particle object

Any ideas? I can post code if needed.

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>>163553938
plugin != tool
You make plugins using TOOLS, but you could make a node without a plugin and declare as tool.
In the webm changes the fruit image and update the line between the hitbox (the cyan circle) and the fruit to spawn.
With this someone without coding skills could add a Fruit node and a Hitbox node (the cyan circle), connect them and visualize which fruit is gonna spawn.
Here is the webm ingame of the working fruit spawner.
And yes I use setters for redraw and update the fruit as you can see in the editor window from webm.

>>163554543
they're all shit tho

>>163548314
>So it's unclear what the "correct" way to do things is.
Because there isn't one.

>>163554863
So perfect for (you)

>>163553214
Yeah, but I've got too much going on right now to get into it much. You're probably over-juicey right now with all the screen shake and particles. And there's not much cohesion with the very bright colors. You have blues and yellows and reds and purples all fighting for attention. Your guy doesn't look noticeably different from enemy guys. And stuff is flying too fast for an orange-ish tint to be effective for threat ID.

I'm just rambling off the top of my head but I think probably turning down the big, soft particles and the screen shake would be good to begin with. Screen shake is something that is better and more effectively used sparingly anyways.

>>163554721
I'm not following.
So you have particle_object, which is is an object resource? And in it's create event has a part_system_create() and a part_type_create()? And in its step event it has a part_type_color3() and a part_particles_create()?
And then when you want to create a stream you make a new instance of this object?

>>163554721
never used that stuff so far but try writing the code in draw event

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Coins implemented.
Those attract to nearest player and are spawned by enemies between the Bonus duration activated after 5 fruits.

>>163555326

>ZA WARUDO

Why did winterjam flop this year? Is it global warming?

>>163555782
yea, no one got around to making it, but we'll just blame global warming

comfy jam can be sorta wintery too, I suppose

>>163555273
http://pastebin.com/quLmkDgA

Yeah, its a turn based game. There are three objects you need to know about in the code I've posted. One is the Brain, which holds all the arrays and lists for stats and turn order and determines whose turn is next and where on the grid things should be drawn, etc, etc.

The second is the enemy/character. The third is the projectile (powershot). The projectile houses the particle system in its code.

If I try and reference host_id (a variable that gets passed when the character creates the projectile) in the create event to set color, game maker throws an error and states host_id doesn't exist.

If I reference host_id in the step event, no problems, but the particles are always the same color.

No idea why this doesn't work.

I either need a way to pass a variable in the instance_create of powershot that is accessible right during powershots create phase -OR- a way to change the color of the particles in the step phase of powershot.

>>163554824
Alright thanks for the help, I will play around with this

>>163555303
Doesn't do anything different ;/

>>163555128
thanks man, ill try to improve on these things

>>163556026
>If I try and reference host_id (a variable that gets passed when the character creates the projectile) in the create event to set color, game maker throws an error and states host_id doesn't exist.
That's because you can't actually pass variables to the create event. When you call instance_create() it runs the entire create event, then you're setting host_id, so it won't exist until after that point. You could get around this by changing the colour in the with(){} where you're setting host_id, or if you really want to pass things, you could get around this by setting a global.pass variable before instance_create() and using global.pass instead of host_id in the create event. If you passed a ds_list then you could pass multiple parameters, like in Lua when you pass a table.

>but the particles are always the same color.
I've never had this issue, they always change colour for me. I don't use emitters however I create all my particles manually. I'd see if you can change the color of particles you create manually. I'm thinking that it's possible emitters copy the particle type you give them instead of reference it.

>>163557119
Don't buy too heavily into people who act like there are hard rules for this sort of stuff. I find the webm you posted to be pretty damn readable for the amount of stuff happening.

>>163557301
I didn't think about globals at all. That seems to be the easiest mickey-mouse way to get this working. I've largely ignored using them because they can create problems.

I assumed what you had written about passed variables not working in the create phase, I just couldn't find anything in the documentation that stated so. What a dumb way to do things, seriously. Why wouldn't you have the with function instantiate THEN run the create code, I'll never understand.

I use emitters because thats how all the documentation states you should. I'll look into creating them manually, as well, but I think the global fix should work.

Thanks so much for your help.

>>163546964
That's okay, I can do it

>>163557119
Not that other guy, but readability is a pretty hard thing. It depends on your target audience. Normal players of the genre will be able to read your game well, to the hardcore it'll be easy, to the casual it'll be difficult. It all depends on your target audience for things like that. Don't let people outside of your target audience affect your game's decisions.

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so I'm working on a multiplayer side shooter that runs in your browser and uses webGL.

How can I make 2d side shooters fun?

>>163557832
>>163558452
you guys don't know shit

>>163558452
how do I target audience

>>163558452
>>163557832

I will keep that in mind, I know its best to take feedback here with a grain of salt

>>163558617
Anyone who thinks that the amount of colors in that webm is a problem doesn't know jack shit.

>>163558610
I'd just (((steal))) the good elements of Nuclear Throne's gunplay.

Dungeon break dev are you in this thread?

>>163558617
Great argument, senpai, here's your (you).

There's no hard absolutes when it comes to dev, or what makes a game good. Everything is subjective, and your decisions are based on who you want to play the game, which could be as simple as "people like me".

>>163558765
Feedback in general should be taken with a grain of salt. Especially the kind you get from friends IRL.

What's the name of that Necromancer game?

I tried looking on the site, but I can't find it.

>>163547474
a gun that shoots giant golden mecha crabs

>>163558938
it's in the last recap

>>163558805
>>163558925
do you think nobody has ever given thought to readability or usability for any graphic medium?
it's a basic fucking art thing that you could quite easily study, and it is directly applicable to videogame graphics

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i put in game over screen

>>163547474
> i could see how this is confusing if its the first time you see it but it seems pretty clear that red = bad, though i do agree with that guy that your mech enemies look too similar to the player, i'd make them a deeper red and maybe change their silhouette up

>>163558610
If it runs smoothly, has energetic, driving music and forceful sound effects, has a variety of enemies and weapons, a cohesive art style. Not too easy, but not too difficult. Blah, blah, blah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71BiK_lm8kE

>>163559257
I have played hectic games that *gasp* DARED to have a wide array of colors and things moving on screen and did a fine job of understanding what was going on.

I really can't stand this new-school philosophy of design that thinks every attack must be color coded or players will be stupid to comprehend the action. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

>>163559257
That's a general guideline yes, but not one that's particularly relevant. Some people want their games to be a clusterfuck of shit to go through. Something like a mech war game like his is one of those game types where excessive juice and things going on lends not only to the atmosphere of your game, but has a positive impression on your player. But then again, I don't know why I'm arguing with you anyways, given how narrowminded and stuck in formal conventions you are. Have a merry christmas, I bid you adieu.

>>163559272
there is such a thing as trying too hard.

>>163551812
Show some of your portfolio,
give us some inspiration.
please?

>>163559257
>Use the committee approved art standards or your game will be unreadable
Yeah nah.

>>163552715
am i the only fucking retard who has no devving experience yet still tries doing something fairly hard?
I see your game and it's just collisions, that's it, why do i have settle for more.

>>163559743
That sounds like your problem, nigga. No reason to put him down for you getting in over your head instead of working your way up.

>>163559743
It's harder to finish a platformer than it is to not finish whatever overly ambitious game you have planned.

>>163559743
>Am I the only person that experiences the Dunning–Kruger effect?
No, you're definitely not alone.

>>163559942
>>163560003
kek

>>163552715
Looks like shit, to be honest with you, Anon.
Start by finding some good color templates.

>>163559743
its admirable to set high standards for yourself but you also have to have incremental goals

>>163560220
>>163560003
one shits on me other one admires
i fucking hate this place
the thing i'm currently working on is the easiest to do of other games i wanna make

>>163550632
Why make all the Jam options theme related and not make it mechanic related instead?
There is no fun if the only challenge is to make assets in time

>>163560357
They're going to shit on you no matter how good your game is. Don't be a pussy and just ignore it.

>163559743
>dae le better than this guy? i have no experiecne but i iwll make something betre
i castrated the link to your asinine post in order not to give you the ecstatic satisfaction of having more replies next to your post's number

>>163560490
couldn't you throw him a bone this holiday season?

>>163560490
>he thinks i get satisfaction from replies
you need to get out more if that's the only thing that gives you satisfaction friendo

how could you even call something you made in an engine "my game" with a straight face?
lmao get real

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>>163558610
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=run+and+gun+games

>>163560650
>lmao get real
Being an N.G. is the real joke friendo

>>163550632
>http://poal.me/694nau
When is the annual Waifu Jam supposed to be starting actually?

>>163560650
how can you even call an engine yours if you didn't even create the OS , lmao get real
how can you even call the OS you made yours if you didn't .... and so on
Your point?

Should I go back to Gamemaker if I find coding in Unity a bit overwhelming, or should I just stick to it until I maybe get used to it?

>>163561165
everything worth it hurts a little bit

>>163560842
Traditionally Waifu jam is on May. It started on May 1st (International Workers' Day for extra waifu deving hardwork) but Demo Day happened.

>>163558610
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/592473
madness: project nexus is worth checking out

also check out nuclear throne and enter the gungeon

>>163561165
depends on what you wanna make, but learning c# is never a bad thing

go try some of the official tutorials

>>163561165
>>163561274
also try catlike coding. worth it even if you're not trying to do what the tutorial is teaching

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Fuck it, I'm tired of reinventing wheels on my own, I'm moving to a real engine.
Unreal, Unity, or Godot?
My priority for an engine: Least "bullshit" to used to.

>>163561374
if he is finding unity overwhelming why would he go to catlikecoding to learn about marching cubes?

>>163561489
*to get used to

>>163561515
the first tutorial is a decent intro to unity, and all the other ones introduce useful bits of unity-specific knowledge

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Goddamnit Unity, I'm starting to remember what made me lose motivation for gamedeving in the first place, you stupid piece of shit.

How do I make my cube player stop climbing on the platforms when they collide? I'm trying to make babby's first 3d platformer, but I can't get past this hell.

Also, I'm using Javascript instead of C#.

>>163561489
nice piñata simulator you got there

>>163561515
It includes things like "what is a variable" and "how do I type in an IDE", which this anon has been struggling with

>>163561629
rip

>>163561629
Yeah it's Unity that's stupid.

>>163561489
2d-gamemaker
3d without demanding graphics - unity
3d with demanding graphics - unreal

>>163561489
I don't know anything about Godot but if your pic indicates the game you want to make then stay away from UE4. Sledgehammer for a nail

>>163561489
If you stay 2d - Godot.

>want to make game
>only game i want to make is among the hardest possible genres to program

>>163561704
Game's literally called Loot Pinyata. Run an item shop; restore your inventory by farming for materials and rare loot.

>>163561859
>>163561872
I am not opposed to working with 3d. I haven't because I've been using Monogame and there's no way I'd make a 3d engine myself. Inf act, I'd be more inclined to 3d because I could make my own assets then instead of trying to find placeholder sprites.

I did it!
main mechanic is done!
Now, need a second character(maybe just change the sprite of this one, might be easier)

Soon all i'm gonna need is art and level design, the plot i pretty much have in mind but of course dialogue will still need to be written.

>>163561963
Do it, faggot. Birds learn to fly by falling to their death.

>>163562063
>Birds learn to fly by falling to their death.
anon, i...

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>>163562058
shit forgot the webm

Anyone know how to convert a number in the range of 0.0 - 1.0 to a number in the range of X - Y ?

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>>163561969
touché

looks fun

>>163561963
soooo a roguelike?

>>163560880
how can you even reply when you didn't even invent your own language?

>>163562287
smash clone


>roguelikes
>hard

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>>163562096
Just one simple choice, motherfucker: Become a glorious eagle or a pile of mush on the ground.

>>163562234
multiply by y

How come no one ever talks about how you should structure your code? Because I have no idea, I already know programming but I never worked on huge projects with multiple objects, all I ever did were small scripts for working with simple files, web scraping, etc... I mean, I could probably come up with some spaghetti monster that works just fine, but I feel like this will teach me nothing and make it harder for me to deal with the code especially in later stages of development.

>>163562234
google it

inb4 shitposter w/ "just multiply it bro"

>>163562234
lerp(X, Y, t) where t is in [0, 1]

>>163562234
Stop trying to start shit.

>>163562276
If I could just get the fuckn collision detection working efficiently so the framerate doesn't drop from 2000 -> 100 with like 100 objects I wouldn't even be considering a switch to an engine

>>163562384
The big rule is to keep all your code as encapsulated as possible. The internal workings of an object shouldn't matter to other objects.

So don't call functions or set variables from objects that aren't that object.

>>163562332
try writing a procedural generation algorithm friendo :^)

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>>163561963
>mmorpgs
>hard

>>163562581
>not just copy/pasting one of several thousand from other roguelikes

>>163562653
>stealing code

>>163562685
>FOSS
>stealing
DCSS is open source my guy

>>163562234
((0 to 1) * (Y-X)) + X

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>>163562234
This is a function that will convert old_value in the old_min, old_max range to a value in the new_min, new_max range.

new_min or 0 and new_max or 1 means that if those values aren't defined they will default to 0 and 1.

In your example it would be called as math.rangec(value, 0, 1, X, Y)

>>163562384
Minimize side effects. Don't abstract before there is duplication.

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>releases a demo
>nobody even downloads it

maybe i just should start to shit post souce images. like everyone elses

>>163562869
post link

>>163544908
>So don't call functions or set variables from objects that aren't that object.
If this was true, nothing could ever happen.

>>163562869
keep in mind, aggydig isn't your audience
you gotta advertise someplace else

>>163562869
did you release it on your own hard drive, because I don't see any links

>>163562927
Meant for >>16356227.

>>163562557
>>163562818
Okay, I'll try. I don't think I know what "side effects" are though.

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>>163561489
Gamemaker: 2D games for non programmers
Godot: 2D games, fast setup for pixel art games. Requires some basic programming skills vs gamemaker.
Unity: 2D games, handles well all 2D style with exception of pixel art games, is a pain to setup for perfect pixel art.
Unreal: 3D games.

how to check if a received rpc is called by the server in godot
cant, right?

>>163562927
Sorry, internal functions.

You should never be setting variables directly though.

>>163563097
Unreal can do 2D just fine too, but it's overkill

>>163562869
Where is your indiedb/tigsource/another gamedev comunity entry?

>>163563157
>Godot networking
Now that's a can of worms I don't plan on opening anytime soon.

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Why doesn't it work

>>163562869
reminder that people who say graphics don't matter have literally zero idea about making stuff and that you need to do your hardest to polish your presentation as much as you can even if your artistic skill doesn't exceed that of a 5-years olds
make screenshots, make gifs, record videos, make your game pop out

>>163563061
A side effect is anything a function does that is not reflected in its outputs, or anything a function depends on that is not reflected in its inputs. The former, as long as it doesn't lead to the latter, is fine (e.g. printing to console).

You don't have to completely get rid of this but you should try as much as possible to do so. Reason being you will see if you start making spaghetti through other things. Side effects are invisible and hide spaghetti, but it's still there. Global state is a notorious example.

Also, a big one I forgot to mention is to make sure you divide up responsibilities well. Rule of thumb is that if naming a thing precisely is hard, you fucked up.

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>>163563341
Read this:
http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/875770/ontriggerenter-or-oncollisionenter-1.html

>>163559743
it's okay anon. just make the game you wanna play. I like simple games, so my games will be simple.

>>163560210
i appreciate the honesty anon. tomorrow i'll experiment different color palettes

>>163547474
make a gun that fire knifes, or a ice sword

>>163562869
>maybe i just should start to shit post souce images
That's what source poster did when he didn't get the positive reinforcement he demanded. Worked for him. Oh wait.

did you program this board yourself?
then why are you posting here?

>>163563167
That's also wrong. If there's no invariant to check/maintain or no data binding (logic to fire when a variable is changed), there's nothing wrong with exposing fields publically for reading and writing. Getters and setters that do nothing but literally get and set the field are a waste. Like I said, don't abstract until there's duplication.

>>163554295
Do you (you personally) just create the UI elements every time a new level is loaded so they are all ready to go and then just hide and unhide them? I dunno why, in my head that seemed like the best way to do it.

>>163563718
I sure hope you are running your own OS.

>>163563286
It's not like I have many other options for high-level networking.
Unreal seems the most polished in this context but I think it would be an overkill for me, plus I hate both Blueprints and C++.

>>163563342
I thought graphics and art are different things.

>>163563839
The high-level stuff is 2.2+ iirc? Currently working with the 2.1 stable build, so I won't be touching networking until I upgrade anyway.

What are you building with it anyway?

>>163563820
I hope you made your own computer parts and assembled it together into your own architecture

>>163564059
I hope you are wearing a skirt right now.

>>163564059
If you haven't built your own energy supply, please stop talking to me.

>>163563954
you could say they are different, but either way they belong to one very important group that should not be ignored if you want your game to reach wider circles - presentation

>>163564153
If you aren't pure energy being, don't continue to exist.

>>163564215
If you didn't create the universe you might as well have done nothing

>>163564215
>existing
That's not very patrician of you, don't you think?

>>163563530
I was expecting anons to shit on me and my shitty code, but instead I got some useful information.

bless you senpai

>>163547474
That's some good juice, even if it's a bit too fast for my "beyond my action vidya days" brain

>>163564038
>The high-level stuff is 2.2+ iirc?
Yup
>What are you building with it anyway?
Trying to make a simple top-down shooter to learn networking in video games, with a twist in that the server can be easily modded to a degree.

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Uggg the drops shouldn't be moving with the enemy path.

>>163558610
Wasn't your game a Runescape clone?

>>163562384
because that's a subject that only professionals encounter
you don't even approach the subject by the time you graduate with a BS in comp sci

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>>163564548
>you don't even approach the subject by the time you graduate with a BS in comp sci
I know

DUNGEON BREAK dev you in this thread?

>>163564548
Or if you just have an interest and can self teach yourself.

>>163560450 This.
We need more mechanics driven jams like Made Up Sports Jam.
http://poal.me/694nau

>>163562234
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/686353/c-random-float-number-generation

>>163555326
fix those rixels.

>>163564859
fixels

>Been making a simple 2d game in Gamemaker for about 2 weeks
>Feel like I'm limiting the fuck out of myself already after hearing some features are locked behind Professional version


Should I just jump ship early to something like Unity?

>>163564669
I applaud your efforts, but you might be better off waiting for him/her to post an update and then replying to it.

>>163565187
If you want to level up to 3D, go for Unity or Unreal.
For 2D, go Godot.

>>163565187
you'll never get all the features you want unless you make the engine yourself
from scratch
in assembler

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>>163562384
The keyword you are looking for is: Design Patterns
https://sourcemaking.com/design_patterns
And the rules of thumb:
Minimize dependency: Example: An enemy is dependable of player for work, that is bad design.
Evade repeated code.
Don't abuse globals.

>>163565187
If you want to do 2D, gamemaker is totally fine. Only use Unity or so if you want to do 3D. Unity is also more difficult though.

any good tuts for making a babby's first 3d game?

>>163565334
Design patterns tend to make code worse. They are not tools for writing code, they are for communicating about code, specifically heavy OOP code.

Dependencies are fine, too, as long as they're explicit and not unnecessarily concrete (you want to pass in dependencies, not have them created or searched for outside of the caller's control).

>>163565531
seconding this

>>163565531
>>163565678
unity official tutorials
https://unity3d.com/learn/tutorials

>>163565531
Inspect the example games that come with Unreal

>>163565194
lel

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check my explosion

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The Score System is finished.
It's a mess ;_;.
The system works as follows:
Each 3 enemies killed, drop a fruit based in the third enemy type.
After 5 fruits, start a Bonus for a limited time (10 sec), in the bonus each enemy also drop a coin based in last fruit + enemy score

Player should touch the fruit to collect it.
Player should get near coins to attract them or initiate a Bonus to attract all coins in screen.

The main problem I see it's the fact that player should TOUCH the fruits. That it's like a chore and doesn't feel smooth with the gameplay style of a shmup at all. Maybe I could make the fruits after drop automatically attracts to the player, but that change reduces clarity vs coins. Another thing could be a reduction of fruit spam, maybe each 3 enemies of SAME type drop a fruit?.

So Guys any suggestions or ideas for score system?. I want the fruits at least in the formula.

Does anybody with Unity 3D expertise know how to get Unity to recognize when two input buttons are pressed?
Whenever I try to do it like this:
if (Input.GetKeyDown("d") || (Input.GetKeyDown("w")))
It doesn't work, and gives me the error: "Operator '||' cannot be applied to operands of type 'float' and 'float'"

>>163567858
Looks like GetKeyDown returns 0.0 and 1.0 for some reason. Test for > 0 to turn both sides of || to boolean.

>>163562384
They didn't? Structure was a really important part at my ghetto school (Seneca College), our teacher was autistic about structure, and making it efficient.

what does float mean?
what is an int?
who is void?

so many questions....

>>163567670
the whole concept of going out of your way to collect something that does nothing besides increase score is a bad mechanic

>>163568215
main() like in Main Street? Are there shops on main()?

>>163568215
Float is the designation for processor priority, you use to prevent your code from 'sinking' and slowing down the software.
Int is an indicator of how well efficient your code is in general, it affects the earlier priority.
Void is 'Append to the void' to clear the memory of the selected code.

>>163568284
Usually scoring also gives you extends in shmups, so it is a part of survival.

>>163567414
looking great anon, keep it up!

>>163568215
basically they're types of data, which are used on different kinds of problems/algorithms

most relevant ones are

ints are natural numbers (1, 2, etc)
floats are "floating point" numbers (1.5, 0.5, etc)
strings are collections of symbols/letters, usually characterized by the quotes ("1", "agdg", etc)
booleans are simple true and false switches, which can only store either "true" or "false"

You should probably try an easy step-to-step tutorial, maybe on youtube instead of an official documentation

>>163568663
It's a fairly large game loop, though. You're basically asking the player to optimize for something that's going to happen in the future as a result of a bunch of small steps they took, which is not good from a "give feedback to the player" perspective. Compare that to, like a combo system that
A. tracks smaller numbers
B. grows due to discrete events
Then, just tie your extends to getting a combo of X size and you have a fun system that rewards risk

>>163568907
>thinking that post was genuine
Anon, we need to talk.

>>163559114
Is it? I don't see it

>>163567414
Are you legit the frogatto dev? I love you!

>>163568986
You do not have to play for score. But if you do, then getting a high score is the reward.

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>>163569401
In an arcade game, you should always be playing for score, and that should always be the way you want to play
otherwise your game is just a less deep normal game

>>163569437
Well, as my onee-san would say: a deal is a deal...

>>163569641
Complete bullshit. R-Type also hardly was played for score, but it is still an excellent arcade game.

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Does the slight zoom I have going on help at all with judging distance of ledges compared to player location?

>>163567414
Looks great.
Keep up the good work, anon.

>>163569641
"playing for score" is a shit gimmick, I've never played a game for score
if the game is good, it's good whether you're trying to get a high score or not

>>163570279
I only play for score if said score gives some kind of reward, like new items or extra levels.
However, the score is just a means to an end in such cases.

>>163570279
t. casual who never cleared a difficult game

How do I stop myself from feeling bad for nodevving when I'm purposefully trying to take a break so I don't burn myself out on gamedev?

>>163569437
>The Dream King is a 4-Player Cooperative "Metroidvania" Video Game, inspired by Nostalgic hits from the early 90's!
>metroidvania
okay bud

LET THIS GAME BE A REMINDER TO US ALL, THAT WORSE GAMES THAN WHAT WE ARE MAKING HAVE BEEN RELEASED AND ACTUALLY SOLD

>>163570427
Try some other productive things, go learn to cook (very useful), get another hobby, whatever.

>>163570363
>I only play for score if said score gives some kind of reward, like new items or extra levels.
That's exactly the mindset of the modern casual gamer. Instant gratification.
Aracde games are just not your thing, because they are not about rewarding the player with dumb items or whatever, they are munching your coins aka self-improvement.

>>163569809
I've never played R-type. Wikipedia suggests it's a quarter muncher sort of deal, which nowadays would be called "a hard game".
>>163570279
That's fine too. Having a good scoring system won't detract from your enjoyment, but having a shit one will detract from other people's.

>>163570427
how do i start devving more than once a week for an hour?

>>163570594
>I've never played R-type
Of course you haven't, because you obviously have no idea about arcade games, let alone shmups.

>>163570427
get back to work

>>163570514
but you're wrong
I like tetris a lot, but I don't pay attention to the score I get

I'm gonna do it lads, I'm gonna start to learn to make a game in gamemaker and I'm not looking back.

>>163569010
Hey man, positivity on 4chan. It's rare, enjoy it. >>163570221
Alright, while I like the bloom on the trees, it kinda makes the house look terrible.
>>163570427
Maybe, try taking up something else? Cook, Bake, Bike, shitpost on a forum.
If you're the artsy type, draw!
If you're not the artsy type, draw stickfigures doing funny things!

>>163570746
That's because you don't play it seriously, or because it has a shitty scoring system.
Also, just because you like tetris, doesn't mean you like arcade games.

>>163570895
good luck man, i'm kinda in the same boat, it's not hard really but i'm such a lazy dude
this is me >>163570624

>>163570895
Just don't give up when it seems hopeless man. I am learning how to do stuff in unreal blueprints, it's pretty exciting honestly.

I think the blueprints are a big part of that though so

>>163570950
>That's because you don't play it seriously, or because it has a shitty scoring system.
no it's because the number doesn't mean anything
I know how good I am at tetris, and having a particular high number on a particular version of tetris doesn't add to my knowledge of my skill level in a meaningful way

just like knowing your high score playing as Ken on a 3rd strike cabinet doesn't tell you much about how good you are at 3rd strike

>>163571113
>my feeling is more accurate than any metric
Sure bud. You da best, don't let mean numbers tell you differently.

>>163571113
Street Fighter never was about scoring, you dumbass. They just implemented score into fighting games out of tradition. Jesus...

Playing for score is about self-improvement. The number represents your skills in the game. That#s all you need to have fun.

>>163570668
>Of course you haven't, because you obviously have no idea about arcade games, let alone shmups.
You're not wrong, I give zero fucks about shmups, and I wasn't alive when R-type came out. But we're talking about making a game in 2016, and if a game is considered "arcadey" nowadays, it's because it has leaderboards and a decent score system.

>>163571387
How the hell do you want to know what a decent scoring system is, when you give zero fucks about shmups? Just shut the fuck up and go back to your modern walking simulators

>>163571384
my point is that you can have the exact same sense of self-improvement in the same exact game whether or not there is a visible score
tetris and street fighter are both excellent examples for this

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>>163570594
Whoa guys, that is a nice Holy War you got there.
Well about the game it's more akin to gradius/rtype/darius. But still I want to implement a good score system for the people who enjoy that, mainly the people who played arcade games.
The fruit system comes from my love for games like bubble bobble and other arcade games which drop many mundane objects for score. But in the current state in the game is more like a CHORE and, at least me, didn't enjoyed collecting fruits and deviate from my objetive which is kill enemies.
Thinking about that maybe a solution could be collect fruits with BARKS (barks is a precise shoot when you tap the shoot button).
Maybe I could publish a small demo for more iteration in the score system.

>coding the mechanics of the game on a blank test scene
>already at 63 fps

That didn't happen last time I attempted a game. Should I be worried?

>>163571598
>tetris and street fighter are both excellent examples for this
Again, Street Fighter is not about playing for score.
Seriously... You have zero idea what you are talking about, so why acting like you know it all?

>>163571791
The hell are you doing?

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>>163544908
>finish the dev tasks you set out to do
>consider deving some more even though you're kind of ready for a break
>decide to take a break and relax the rest of the night, you earned it
Nodevs will never know this feel.

>>163571801
what you just posted did not invalidate my point.

>>163571791
chances are there's something easy and dumb you can just spot with a profiler

>>163571839
that 3d platformer on unity
at least the gameplay works fine for now

>>163571892
Your "point" is that you are retarded and make no sense.
The reason why Street Fighter score is irrelevant, is because it is not about scoring.
You are basically saying "make a scoring system like in a game which isn't about scoring".

>>163571791
>>163571993
vsync on?

its in edit->project settings->quality

>>163571801
>Street Fighter is not about playing for score.
He said it allows a sense of self-improvement for the player whether or not there is a score.

You seem kind of thick. And angry. Maybe stop posting.

>>163572168
>make a scoring system like in a game which isn't about scoring
is not what I said
what I said was
>"playing for score" is a shit gimmick, I've never played a game for score
>I don't pay attention to the score I get
>the number doesn't mean anything
>having a particular high number on a particular version of tetris doesn't add to my knowledge of my skill level
my argument, therefore is
>don't add a high score system to your game, it's a shit gimmick

>>163572186
>234 fps
thanks a lot friendev

>>163572321
Maybe you just should stfu when you have no idea what you are talking about.
Street Fighter is not about scoring in the first place, so why mentioning it?
It makes no sense, to compare this game to a shmup, when it comes to scoring.
Because Street Fighter is not about scoring, it is about beating your opponent. The score in this game says fuck all.

>>163572537
>Because Street Fighter is not about scoring, it is about beating your opponent.
Most games are about beating the game which is your opponent, score is often irrelevant and just a measuring tape for progress.

>>163572493
>don't add a high score system to your game, it's a shit gimmick
How do you wanna know if it is a shit gimmick, if you never played a game for score?
You just have no idea what you are even talking about.

>is not what I said
Of course you said this, you dumbfuck. You gave an example of a "good scoring system" from games which have no scoring system.

>>163571629
I'm the "doesn't know anything about shmups" guy, so you're welcome to take this with a grain of salt as actual yesdev man

But I would describe your solution as an execution tax. It makes getting the fruit harder, but not in a way that changes the amount of risk the player has to put themself in. It can work if there are other active things the player has to do so it splits their attention, but if the game is too simple to begin with it just becomes a more involved chore.
>>163572168
you're getting your (you)s confused.

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>>163572687
>You gave an example of a "good scoring system" from games which have no scoring system.
But... MK does have a scoring system...

You're not thinking clearly man. Hang out in a different tab for a bit or something.

>>163572687
>You gave an example of a "good scoring system"
I've never given my opinion on what a "good scoring system" would be
ever

>>163572682
>score is often irrelevant and just a measuring tape for progress.
This is only the case when the game has a shallow scoring system.
And nobody ever played Street Fighter for score.

>>163572980
>And nobody ever played Street Fighter for score.
>he posted it again

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>this autistic discussion of game design between people who never made a game

>>163572839
It has a scoring system out of tradition, but not to attract players who want to play for score.
Nobody plays fighting games for score.

Much in contrary to shmups though. shmups pander heavily to players who play for score.

>>163572875
Yea sure... You obviously live in your own little world

>>163573036
Yes I did. because you guys here seem to be extremely slow minded.

>>163573108
As if developers would have an idea about game design. To know good designs, you actually have to play games.

>>163573265
Look faggot you're the one using terms like "modern casual gamer" and shrieking at people calling them dumbasses and retards for not patting you on the back, fuck off. You're never going to make a game anyway.

>>163573883
Game Design is a skill, you have to practice it too. You don't get good at programming or art just by looking at someone else do it.

You would know that if you had any experience whatsoever with it.

>>163573892
If you don't wanna get called casual gamer or dumbass, then don't act like one.
Also, shmups are my favorite genre. In fact it is the only good genre, imo.
So if you talk shit about it, then prepare to get stomped, fucker.

>>163573892
don't hurt his feelings
you might get him started shitposting incoherently for hours

>>163573997
Of course it is a skill. But to know what good game design is, you actually have to play games.
Most developers hardly play games, that's why they have no idea about good game design. They just know how to code it.

>>163574017
>prepare to get stomped, fucker.
lol

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>>163572758
Don't worry, all comments are welcome.

My todo list now is:
- Make barks (precise shoots) collect fruits.
- Spawn fruits after you kill a barage of enemies instead of every third enemy. <-- Reduce fruit spam and adds more clarity (kill the visual line of enemies instead of track how many enemies are killed)
- Push a demo for more iteration.

About your discussion, think this, today all games comes with achievements, most people only finish the game and others enjoy the achievement grindfest to show the world how good they are at X game.
The score systems was something similar in arcades. Some people only played to 1cc finish the game and other compete for the better score.
So it's score system something essential for a shmup? As achievements, NO. But there are many people who enjoy that part of the game for show who is better.

>>163547474
Oh hey, you should check Bangai O. That game is almost the same chaotic level as yours, but with almost all clarity problems fixed. Screen related.

>>163573997
you tellin me my game design will be shit for my first game even though i played numerous games throughout my life?

>>163574226
Maybe not shit but if you keep improving you'll always look back at your games and laugh at how shit they are design wise. But that's normal. Most "devs" here don't even get to that point as they never actually make a game.

>>163574182
Stab and Stomp! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHqRDeOFRG0

>>163574226
>you tellin me my game design will be shit for my first game even though i played numerous games throughout my life?
Yes, that's true

>>163574226
Sadly, yes.

It's an infuriating revelation, but it's a simple fact that no one thinks about game design when they play games.

There is so much work that goes into making a game fun that it is ridiculous.

>>163574135
Playing video games doesn't necessary imply you'll be analyzing them from a game design perspective. Do you know the chords of a guitar song you heard if you have no idea about music theory? Could you replicate it in that case? You can't passively get better at things, you need practice. That's just how things are.

Miyamoto hardly plays games and yet every one of his designs up to SM64/OoT are still references to modern game design.
>>163574226
No. I'm telling you it will get better the more you do it.

>>163574329
Where's your game?

>>163574587
>Do you know the chords of a guitar song you heard if you have no idea about music theory? Could you replicate it in that case?
If you have perfect pitch, yeah
so maybe Miyamoto has a similar thing, but for game design

>>163574587
>doesn't necessary imply you'll be analyzing them
Of course not. But if you do analyze them, then it will transfer to your game design skills.
Just learning how to code and looking at what is currently trendy on neogaf doesn't make you a good game designer.

>Miyamoto hardly plays games
Yes, that's also why he only produces simple casual games for little babies.

>>163574576
Well i do, i compare games and their sequels and usually try to think why one game was more successful than the other.
(still don't know how can dark souls 3 be liked this much when it's completed garbage except for the graphical improvement)

>>163574838
Why don't you try making a game to put all your theories to the test then? Your posts reek of greenness and the overconfidence in your non-existent skills that comes with it.

>>163575076
>reek
uh oh

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Hey senpaitachi,
Working on a dash. Right now it's mapped to space bar and the direction you dash is based on where the cursor is. That's how Nuclear Throne does it with fishy. It feels less natural but I think it works better than dashing in the direction you are holding the wasd keys down with.

>>163575039
A game doesn't need to be well designed to be liked. Ubisoft games are well liked and always sell well.

Video Games are no different from music or movies in this sense. If you just want to be rich, being a sellout works better than trying to achieve good design.

>>163575251
hey!
Prince of persia warrior within is one of my favourite games of all time, it's perfect! (not even joking)

>>163575076
I'm just telling you how it is, because you have no idea.
Take Crimzon Clover for example... It was made by a single person with no prior dev experience. Yet the game is one of the best shmups ever made. You know why? Because the guy who made it was a multiple world record holder in several shmups.

He actually played the games he wanted to make. That's why it didn't matter if he was unexperienced. He just had to learn how to code his ideas.

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>I've been in many great buildings, therefore I can design a great building.

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>>163575238
Does it work like that? I've never noticed, I'm actually going to test that right now

>>163574606
t. triggered nodev

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>>163572839
Well about that the answer is competition:
In fighting games from arcade era the people competed in VERSUS mode.
In Shmups the competitive component was the score system.
That is the reason why the fighter players ignored the score, They already have a strong competitive component with 1 VS 1.

>>163575540

Do that. Then report back and tell me what you think. Hopefully the fact that you never noticed means that it works.

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>>163575429
I've never been in a building, therefore I know what a good building looks like.

I think that's enough reaction images for now.

>>163575396
Those kind of people often study those games at depth to the point where they fully know their inner workings and how even the smallest of details work. I don't know about that guy in particular, but it's not uncommon for those people to disassemble said games so that they can actually tell exactly what is going on down to the memory management, people like Pannenkoek2012. What games are you acquainted with on that level? That you could play them just by watching their RAM? Merely playing through a game casually, no matter how observant you might be, will never give you that level of insight into them.

>>163575238
What about scroll the camera a bit based on the mouse position?

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>>163575429
>>163575752

But can you try?

>>163575721
Well the webm I made is too large but it's actually more subtle than that

Here's how it looks like it works:
1. If you aren't touching wasd, then fish rolls toward the cursor
2. If you are touching wasd, he rolls towards the direction you're holding down
3. the dash is fixed length/distance, if you roll into a wall you keep rolling into the wall

For fun I also tried gungeon, it uses the exact same system except you won't dodge at all if you aren't holding down wasd

analogy + reaction image

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>>163575815
>I think that's enough reaction images for now.

>>163575904
>Merely playing through a game casually, no matter how observant you might be, will never give you that level of insight into them.
This is exactly what I was saying the whole time... What are you even arguing?
I don't play games casually. In contrary... I basically only play shmups and study them when playing them. That's also why I would make a better design for a shmup than someone who can code since years already, but has no idea about the genre.

To learn about game design, you do not have to learn how to code or whatever. You have to play games.

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>>163575815