/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

>>163107253
First for SMACking your mother fat ass

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Blowing up ships that are attacking me.

>>163107253
>>163107836
I have no interest in the kickstarter for the second game, but AI War 1 is probably the best rts/4x I've ever played.

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They're making a beeline to my command station, which may cripple me if they manage to destroy it.

Luckily, it blows up to my 800-ships strong fleet.

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xth for something different than Soulstorm all the time

>>163108005
They are making a Turn 4x game that seems dank. May god save them from bankrupcy

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>spend 30 minutes downloading the mods in the OP + JFD cilivization packs
>start a game
>pic related happens

Tried turning off the Civ packs but it still fucks up.

Stellaris question:

What traits would you ascribe to the factions of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri?

>UN Peacekeepers - Humanoid (Human) - Pacifist, Spiritualist, Xenophile - Indirect Democracy - Wormhole

>Lords Believers - Humanoid (Human) - Fanatic Spiritualist, Militarist - Divine Mandate - Wormhole

>Gaia's Stepdaughters - Humanoid (Human) - Pacifist, Spiritualist, Collectivist - Moral Democracy - Wormhole

>Spartan Federation - Humanoid (Human) - Fanatic Militarist, Xenophobe - Military Junta - Wormhole

>Human Hive - Humanoid (Human) - Fanatic Collectivist, Militarist - Military Dictatorship - Wormhole

>Morgan Industries - Humanoid (Human) - Fanatic Individualist, Materialist - Corporate Oligarchy - Wormhole

>University of Planet - Humanoid (Human) - Fanatic Materialist, Pacifist - Technocracy - Wormhole

>Nautilus Pirates - Humanoid (Human) - Individualist, Materialist, Militarist - Military Junta - Wormhole

>Cult of Planet - Humanoid (Human) - Fanatic Militarist, Spiritualist - Divine Mandate - Wormhole

>Cybernetic Consciousness - Humanoid (Human) - Fanatic Materialist, Collectivist - Direct Democracy - Wormhole

>Data Angels - Humanoid (Human) - Individualist, Pacifist, Materialist - Direct Democracy - Wormhole

>Free Drones - Humanoid (Human) - Fanatic Collectivist, Materialist - Indirect Democracy - Wormhole

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>>163109971
Maybe the mods are out of date?

1997.
A year I accomplished very little because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzAzcvQ7oqI

Pax Imperia: Eminent Domain
A game with many flaws, but one for which I have a heaping pile of nostalgia for.
A game literally made for fighter spam, with 18 different kinds of the little terrors, and all of them rule like a swarm of angry bees.
And literally everything was animated in some way.

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>>163110685
good thing or bad thing?

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>>163108005
I really like AI War, but the rest of their games are pretty meh.
Especially A Valley Without Wind. They made the strange choice of having the walking animation be hyper detailled, but the rest of the animation is just one frame.

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>>163111835
Good thing.
It let me expand a bit.

Red has lizardmen so he would've reached my island early on if he was just a bit closer.

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>>163112830

did I miss a link

>>163118838
we link the new threads by telepathy now

How to play AI war? I am crap at leading the dregs of humanity. The game's been sitting I my library a while now but I can't play it for more than an hour before feeling overwhelmed.

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>>163116739

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>Invade pre-FTL primitives with the Very Strong trait
>Turn their lush tropical homeworld into one giant mine

>>163120346
Topless sorceress banishes shifty looking dude in robe and pointy hat.
News at eleven.

What are the new space 4x games that are good? Stellaris becomes boring after some time, distant worlds is a aurora with some gui elements. Is the new MOO good?

>>163121037
No

>>163110223
So, I fiddled a bit with this idea and created the original 7 + the Nautilus Pirates to play against in Stellaris.

Guys, when Commissioner Pravin Lal popped up on my viewscreen and started talking about the need for cooperation on a galactic scale, I had such a nostalgia-bomb that I almost passed out.

This is awesome.

>>163121124
nice recommendations

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>>163120776

>>163121037
>distant worlds is a aurora with some gui elements
lol no.
DW is nowhere near the complexity of Aurora, AND you can automate practically everything if you can't be bothered with it.

If you can't find a new spess gaem you like, try looking for an old one.

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>>163121435
my prole species had an arid preference

>>163121568
distant worlds looks nice but the tutorials are horrible and you start the game with everything automated and dont even know where to start.

>>163121435
But where does the energy come from?

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I'm on the fence on buying MoO Conquer the Stars, but I have a few questions.

Does the different races play vastly different like in SotS, SoaSE and Endless Legend? Or are they just +/- modifiers to shit everybody got like Galactic Civilization and Endless Space?

Does anyone got an image of the full tech tree?
I can only find parts of it on gewgle.

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>>163122116
Sharee wasn't able to hold it

>>163121834
>start game
>everything is automated
>don't feel skillful enough to second guess the AI even though I suspect it's probably shit
>quit game

My Distant Worlds experience.

>>163121596
>>163121596
I don't understand

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>>163122119
New Gargaxto among others.
Tundra worlds were my dedicated energy worlds.

on Gargaxto I found an underground vault and from it emerged a Thrifty species with tundra preference.

My main species was on bio labs/energy before that, but went more labs as I gave the gargaxtons more land.

>>163122461
>Found two worlds good for mining.
>had a species with Prole(+30% minerals), strong(+5% minerals), uplifted(+20% happiness, industrious(+15% minerals) and Arid Preference
>So I terraformed the two beautiful tropical planets first to desert, then to arid to prepare my giant strip mines

>>163122330
>start game
>turn off automatons
>have fun
>suddenly lose money
>resort stations are empty
>can't figure out why
>get bankrupt
My experience.

>>163122880
>>163122330
Do you guys have any recommendations? More of turn based games and not this real time pausable.

>>163121834
>>163122330
>>163122880
I love DW and I have to admit, you guys are not wrong. The documentation in game is pretty terrible.

The AI is pretty decent though, so just watching what it does and what happens is a way to pick stuff up (if you can be arsed with that).

>>163123867
I love Distant Worlds too, but the fact that nothing is explained is honestly my main complain with the game. I have built several resort stations at place with major scenery bonuses, and yet I can only theorize as to why they aren't making money.
Other than that, it's very fun, and I like the music. It reminds me of these old sci-fi shows, like Stargate, when it was still good.

>>163123506
Sorry, I don't do turn-based games.

>>163124092
Check your policy settings screen, and there is a checkbox labelled "engage in tourism" which should be ticked.
Not all races start with this set. (More undocumented stuff beacuse reasons.)

>>163124326
But I have one station that works, so it's probably already ticked.
I just have two other stations that don't make any brouzouf.

>>163124562
How far away from inhabited worlds are the ones that aren't doing anything?
And what kind of engines and range do your pop transports have?
The distance might a little too far for what you can support right now.

>>163124938
My builder ships are close enough to reach the station. I don't know if the civilians ships can, I can't select them and check their range.

I stupidly made a galaxy with only one player (me), a lots of pirates, and very rare colonizable planets.

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>>163124840

>>163125114
You can select civilian ships, you just need to zoom in a bit first before they become visible.
Or select one from the units overview dropdown.

Resorts tend to work best if they are within 1-2 sectors of a colony, and your transports need to be able to at least reach *near* the base on a single tank of fuel otherwise they won't even consider it.
The range you can reliably fill them goes up as you get better engines (and therefore range).

Sandboxing is cool. Don't ever apologise for it bruh.

>>163125739
I should've picked less pirates and more colonizable planets. I'm having a hard time expanding.

I'll check the transport's range as soon as I can.

>>163126095
If the worst comes to the worst, you'll have to either:
- Research a colony tech for a new kind of planet you can see decent quality ones for.
- Colonise a shitty planet to open up new territory and deal with the constant money sink. (You only need to worry about this if you have colony range limits on.)
- Invade/Colonise independant worlds.

In the meantime you can fly around and put the boot into some pirates.
Sometimes when you kill them hard enough they leave interesting things behind.

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>>163127231
No, I'm not joking. I explored, what, 10 sectors already, maybe more. I found 3 space pirates (dunno if I should attack them yet), and I only have 2 planets so far. And one of them is my homeworld.
I shoulda made the planets less rare.

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nice, a neutral town to conquer in myrror

>stellaris
>anything in the UI beyond very basic shit is hardcoded and can't be changed

kek why do people call this game moddable.

>>163129084
>I explored, what, 10 sectors already
10 sectors is potentially a whole 4% if you went for a max size galaxy.

Just how far to the left did you peg the habitable worlds slider when you started this game? :P

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Not sure if I want to go for 3 life and 5 chaos or 2 life and 6 chaos

>>163132627
What.

I usually diversify buildings on planets, I'll build based on tile improvements (labs on science, plants on energy etc) and just chuck plants down on empty squares.

Am I retarded? If you do 100% specialised planets, what's your ratio? 1/1/1 for energy/mineral/science planets? Or do you only specialise particularly good ones?

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>>163132880
If I have a species like an uplifted prole species that I've added strong and industrious to I don't see the point of respecting the +1 society on any given tile.
That's +50% for minerals and -15% for research.
Maybe if I had a lot of resettling discounts I could bring in a scientist for that one slot.

Also I don't have an infinite amount of scientists that can assist research so I'd rather get as many labs as possible under each research assistant.

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HAK HAK HAK

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>>163133365

>Almost all of the galaxy is either joined or associated with my egalitarian space UN.
>Remaining fanatical purifiers have their fleets destroyed, working on liberating and integrating their planets for the good of all life, on the verge of a golden age of peace.
>"Benevolent" fallen empire awakens, decides it's going to enforce its own peace, takes a big 200k shit on everything.

Ok i give up on Distant Worlds, at one point i just automated everything and spent 10 minutes looking the game play itself. I'll go back to stellaris.

>>163132627
What game are you talking about?

>>163135276
Master of Magic

>>163121037
Not new, but not old either.

Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion.
Sword of the Stars Complete Edition.
Endless Space.
Galactic Civilization III.

Endless Space II is just around the corner (3 months maybe).
Sword of the Stars II Enhanced Edition is quote playable and pretty decent now.

It also looks like the "new" MoO is quote good with the latest patches/expansions.

>>163135791
Quote = quite.

1. Cant write for shit when I'm tired.
2. Not my main language.

>>163135791
So you're saying that Sword of the Stars 2 Enhanced Edition is "playable"?

>>163136560
Yes, it has been playable for at least 2.5 years. I got it sometime before summer 2014 and it has been enjoyable.

The downside for some is the more cluttered UI and somewhat unescesary micromanagement that we didnt have in SotS I, but after a few tries you'll end up managing them without problems.

I still play SotS I if I just want a simpler game with some friends who dont want to dig into SotS II.

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Sweet, time to get rid of the Tundra

>>163137306
How's Galactic Civilizations 2, by the way? I tried it a while ago, couldn't comprehend a single thing.

>>163137239
What the fuck.
HOW? When I sent a lone hero against an army, it turned into a rape hentai.

>>163137582
What's the deal with Master of Magic?

Does it have any killer features the Age of Wonders series lack?

>>163137631
I have covered Gunther in magical items.
I still needed to heal him three times during the fight though.

The Dark Elves magical attacks didn't hit me since I have Magic Immunity on Gunthers shield, which means he has 50 defense vs ranged magical attacks.
I have Flight on his ring, so they can't initiate attacks.

Gunther has Thrown, so if he initiates an attack, he'll first calculate his thrown damage, and then the standard melee attack exchange occurs. If there's only 1-2 figures left standing he can avoid getting hit at all.

Also made sure to craft an Axe for him since Axes buff both standard melee attacks and thrown attacks.

If he didn't have Magic Immunity on his shield he'd be dead before I got to make a move.

>>163137631
Havent played that much GalCiv II. Didnt like the aesthetics and for me it looks really ugly. BUT I'm a guy who cant even stand the graphics of Empire Earth. Galactic Civ III though I have played some of, but it get quite boring because all the techs I've seen are just +/- modifiers.

Endless Legend kinda spoiled me with it's tech and quests for unit equipments that give special abilites.

>>163138079
So he's a thug.

>>163138081
I didn't mind Empire Earth's graphisms, but the broken AI makes me rage. RTS has cheap AIs.

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>>163137687
The way units work with figures gives it an edge over the age of wonders series.
I was really hoping that AoW3 would add that when I saw the intial screens, but it turned out to only be a graphical addition.

The Dark Ef Halberdiers I attacked in the earlier screenshot have 6 figures in each unit.
So when they attack they make an attack roll for each unit. They have 1-3 hp per figure depending on their experience, and as the figures die off they have less figures dealing damage.

This means that if you buff a unit to deal extra damage, you'll have a bigger effect if you buff a unit containing more figures.

Some offensive spells specifically targets every figure in a unit at once though like Fireball and Flamestrike. So high figure units are weaker to those spells.

I think the difference betwen races and wizard creation is pretty good as well.
The difference between races is a bit like the difference between civilizations in aoe2 imo, but more drastic.

I haven't played enough aow3, only played vanilla aow3 and thought it was a fine game but some things were lacking. Will have to play it more.


Pic is race relations.
Since my capitol consists of High Men, the dark elves I just conquered get +20% unrest.

>Civ 5
>city states seem like a tacked-on gimmick that doesn't even make sense in the game's setting

>Civ 6
>city states seem like a natural bridge between barbarians and real civs, and provide an interesting new layer of strategy

Is it just me?

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Can't settle cities within 3 tiles of other cities.
Cities within civ1-2 style city radius count for the city, cities with adamantium within city limits can use it for their units if they have an alchemists guild built.

>>163139130
I'd say it's just you since they act more or less the exact same way.

>>163135253
Turn off all automation and do everything manually. Starting pre-warp is also a great way to ease into the game since you start out with literally only a planet with nothing even built. This allows you to be introduced to various mechanics gradually.
Bonus fun if you make a big galaxy with as many races as you can. The kicker being that you set them all to advanced starts so your race is the most recent addition to the galactic political field.
Or be the only empire and max out pirates.
The important bit to remember is that losing is fun.

>Have -20% naval capacity because leader with nervous trait
>Neural Network Administration so need to wait for them to die
>144 years old and still going

>>163138580
This sounds like a fucking rad system for combat mechanics.
>civ6 pls make units fun

>>163138580
You think this could be moddable for Civ VI? I kind of want to port C2C but with fantasy over, the split up tech trees gives a great possibility for example adding a third tree that deals specifically with magic.

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>>163140931
Adds another nice layer for differentiating units between races imo.

Halflings are weak and have 1 less melee attack.
Their swordsmen have 8 figures instead of the standard 6 though.

Trolls are a lot tougher, but they only have 4 figures and cost a lot more.

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>>163139461
>>163139461

>>163141505
Once the SDK is released, it will be easy.

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How feasible is it to actually rule in stellaris without either a happiness build, or using slavery or the individualist trait?

I have a feeling that would be insanely hard.

>>163144984
Honestly it's a fairly irritating problem that there are no happiness-affecting generic buildings at all.

>>163145140
Happiness buildings aren't really a must.

I've hade some worlds around size 22-23 where a 15% happiness building wouldn't increase the planets mineral output more than another mine would have.

15% happiness is just 6% more output.
So 64% instead of 58% from modified uplift proles.

>>163145140

Its kinda lame because you are pretty much forced to either go individualist (post 1.3) or just chain them.

I recently started a new game on insanity (got my ass handed to an advanced AI on ironmode in a lulz attack) and I started to notice some divergence problems, even without conquering another pop.

On other games where I used individualist it became way easier. But if I join two of my favorite ethos alone (militarist and materialist) Im left with no fucking mechanic whatsoever of dealing with this. Even after I put down rebellions, the fricking separatists rebuild themselves slowly.

>>163145140
>>163145396
>>163145450
1.5 is going to make major changes to ethic divergence, so just hold tight and wait for the fix.

I DO hope they make it so that Sectors start building happiness buildings, if only to help prevent divergence in the first place.

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dang, won't get to keep this new continent to myself

>>163146518
Honestly, I manage colonies myself until they're ready to leave alone and then I sectorize them, and dont give the AI permission to replace buildings.

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>>163144984
>Not enslaving inferior beings

Honestly with the collectivist ethic you can pretty much not worry about your own species divergence and just pretend you have the xenophobic ethic by only enslaving/purging xenos

Factions might pop up during offensive wars but they tend to quiet down afterwards.

If you're going with Militarist then you could slap Virtual Combat Arenas all over the place to keep people happy.

>you will never live in a world were playing and making decent rts, 4x and shit like dwarf fortress is as popular as mobashits
>early acess shit will take a long time to not be the industry standard anymore
why

>>163149894
>early acess shit will take a long time to not be the industry standard anymore
It's nice to see people who still hold out on the belief that it will end.
I'm being a bit pessimistic, aren't I? Give it a few decades, then maybe all the kids who've grown up will want something more strategic in their elder years.

>>163149894
>you will never live in a world were playing and making decent rts, 4x and shit like dwarf fortress is as popular as mobashits
Because those require thought of some form and MOBAs are more brainless and thus more 'relaxing'. They also take less time to play and learn.

>>163151346
just turn off your brain dude lmao

>>163152235
In concept yes. A lot of people who play MOBAs are people who are tired from their 9-5 shift or a heavy load at uni and just want to unwind and turn their brain off and can't really be bothered to put in effort to learn to play games that might be difficult. They simply don't get satisfaction out of learning something like that just like there are plenty of people who don't get satisfaction out of running laps or don't get satisfaction out of reading history / mathematics books. Games are meant to be fun after all.

Any word on whether or not Banks will include new portraits?

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lewd

Never played a Civ game before, was thinking of giving it a try, what is a good one to start with?

Finally got 6. So many improvements but why is Huge so small? Larger map mod wouldnt work for me. It would generate a map but my civ wouldnt spawn on the map

>>163140754
>The kicker being that you set them all to advanced starts so your race is the most recent addition to the galactic political field.
In Civ 6, that would be a death warrant. How's the AI in Distant Worlds?

>>163141738
The hell is a "high man"? Also, Nomad Swordsmen look cool.

>>163157028
5 with all expansions and updates

>>163110223
I know I'm very late but why would Lal be Xenophile when Deidre isn't?
I suppose you could argue that Spiritualist is what signifies the Stepdaughter's relation to Planet but other factions deal with Planet in very non Spiritualist ways, and I'm not talking about Morgan killing it with pollution.
Zakharov is very pro-Planet (though definitely not a Xenophile after Lab 13), but Deidre is pro-Planet AND pro-Worm, after a fashion.
Cult of Planet is a bit of a difficult knot though, I'll admit. I'd guess Militarist/Spiritualist/Xenophile or something?

>>163121435
How do you bump planet limit to 20?
I barely got to six :(

>>163140754
Ill try that, Thanks m8

>>163159564
PANIC

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>>163159714
That thing is really fucking powerfull
and the worst of it it doesnt fire like a normal Inferno cannon
It has a wind up like a Gattling cannon thats really fucking fast on rank 3 (which it is going to reach really fast)

>>163159860
Well, shit.

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>>163159942
He also gets a light arty barrage on rank 1
and his other general ranks all revolve around arty barrages (napalm, nuke, super barrage)
Not really fun to fight against

>>163160023
He would love Supreme Commander.

>>163109971
There's some extra steps you have to go through if you're a pirate. Something about non-steam or non-default folders setups. Uninstall the mod, then try the manual installation, it m
should fix it.

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This thread needs more explosions.

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>>163160274
Probably
I´m supprised though that they have changed his superweapon into a giant arty cannon (before it was a giant radar station that coorinated a mixed shell barrage)

>>163161376
KING OF HILLS
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH ARTILLERY

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>>163161409
NEVER

>>163107836
>turret in neat lines
how?

>>163161489
>Alt+Right Click
>option with a "lane" in it
>pick how many lanes
>pick how many turrets by lane
>set up a starting point
>set up an ending point
>they're both only to determine how wide it'll be
>then set up your 5 lines of 10 turrets
>enjoy the rape

>>163161486
Torque approves this.

>>163161489
>>163162462
I forgot to say : it's after picking up a turret. Well, a turret or any other building. Building spaceports in a line would be pretty cool, I guess.

>>163140754
Another thing that isn't mentioned anywhere in Distant Worlds: Starting a game as a pre-warp civ is a LOT easier because you are guaranteed to have access to most of the resources you need to build stuff (and fuel!) AND you get at least 1 other habitable planet in your home system, AND 2-3 decent resort sites for extra money.
The downside is being without warp drive everything takes FOREVER, and the research to get it is artificially inflated because reasons.
If you have the patience/desire to just watch frieghters frieght, and builders build for a couple of hours then starting pre-warp will give you a v. good leg up.

Give us your delicious DW questions, and we'll do our best to help you lose your life to this faggotry.

>>163163186
>least 1 other habitable planet in your home system
Lies.
I started a game in a pre-warp spawn and I have only one habitable planet.
>The downside is being without warp drive everything takes FOREVER, and the research to get it is artificially inflated because reasons.
Yeah, but you ALWAYS have an event that gives you a basic warp drive in your home system.
It's very basic, though.

>>163163301
>Lies.
Nope. You will get a continental planet in an inner orbit to act as a source of chromium / red crystal / polymer which are all force generated by the pre-warp setting. And continentals are always habitable.
If you didn't see this, I'm p. curious to know where you're getting these res from in your home system.

>It's very basic, though.
It is garbage and need upgrading ASAP.
Unfortunately the upgrade is also artificially infated and takes FOREVER++.

>>163163608
>FOREVER++
So Fivever?

>>163163714
Yes.
Doesn't help that once you find the shitty warp tech, you still have to research it.
And then once you've slogged through that you have to research the first 'proper' warp tech which takes twice as long.

I think it's supposed to represent how hard it is to figure out magic warp bullshit.
But it just makes the beginning of the game tedious. MUH REALISMS!

>>163163910
>Doesn't help that once you find the shitty warp tech, you still have to research it.
You do? I forgot about that.

>>163164039
Yep. And you can't even start the research until you pop that ruin in your home system.

And don't forget the 'surprise' event that happens when you make your first warp jump.

>>163164205
>And don't forget the 'surprise' event that happens when you make your first warp jump.
Never had that.

I tried Off-world trading company (pirated). It's fun, simple and waaaaaaaaaaay too fast paced for a comfy resource management/colony sim. It's more like a RTS where you attack with resources and money. But it's a nice game (except fo rthe fucking tiny font, I'm not a gayman and I have no giant screens at my disposals)

>>163164304
Oh, you unticked the kaltors box on the start screen.
No biggie, theres plenty out there waiting.

>>163164443
It's pretty fun, huh? The only problem is that you need to plan your expansions early, or you can get fucked very quickly.

Well, I only play alone in sandbox mod, so it's not a problem for me, but in multi, it would be a real bitch.

>>163164612
Yeah it is. MP should be very fun to play with. WHAT YOU LITTLE BITCH? YOU EMP'D MY FARMS IN A FOOD SHORTAGE?!

>>163164751
Yeah, that game has the potential to ruin all friendships.

>>163144984
I have been playing militaristic and collectivist and it has been going well.

>>163164751
It's also a capitalist's wet dream.
>you can stock up food to cause prices to go up
Immoral but efficient.

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>>163158480
repeatable tech

>>163157464
High Men are civilized humans.

There are three different human races in master of magic.
Nomad, High Men and Barbarians.
High Men have access to most things in the tech tree. 1/2 races with access to Pikemen, 1/3 races with access to Warships and their unique unit the Paladin is top tier.

>>163170957
That's oddly specific. But, hey, why not? "High elves" is a common term, so why not High Men as well?

>>163170693
>1244 physics
>974 society
>520 engineering
>Year 2388

What?

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>>163157464
>>163170957
>>163171286
blaze it 420 nigga

>>163171359
What what?
You think I was doing bad?

I thought my physics was good and my society fine.
No engineering labs.

>>163171286
In age of wonders 1 there are also High Men, but there there are standard "Humans" as well and High Men are otherwordly holy humanoids.
Named Archons in later titles.

Got CIV 6, my first one ever and damn i've not had time eaten this badly for a long time, i thought it'd bog down but i'm around WW2 era tech and am a glorious american communist taking no shit from spain.

Good game, is there a general opinion on the changes to make to base campaign?

>>163171938
>he thinks spending 3 hours on one game is "time eaten".
Fuck off to your moba shit.

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>>163171938
>damn i've not had time eaten this badly for a long time
????

>>163171938
Bitch please. First time I played Distant Worlds, I played for 8 hours straight. I said "just a little bit before I go to bed." It became "wait, why is there so much light outside?"

>>163172037
>"lmao I played for 2 hours I'm such a no life"
I remember I had a picture like that.

>>163171763
I'm only managing about 200 for each in the early 2400s.

>>163172210
I should reinstall Master of Magic one day and give it another try. It looks as satisfying as Dominions 4, with a better AI.

>>163172317
>with a better AI.
haven't played dominions, but the AI isn't amazing in MoM.
Trying out insecticide patch and I think it did improve the AI a bit, but not sure.

>>163172686
The AI is worse in Dominions 4. I won all my games because I was just spamming temples everywhere, domkilling the AI who was content with just sitting here with a doomstack but not doing anything.

>>163170957
>>163172210
Interestingly enough, High Men are not the true vanilla race in Master of Magic - Orcs are. High Men are pretty damn close to vanilla, but they lose access to one building (which, admittedly, is only used by a few specific races as a prerequisite for some unique units), and have a few unique replacements for some vanilla units that are exclusive to them and Nomads (Priests instead of Shamans, Pikemen instead of Halberdiers).

Orcs meanwhile have access to all buildings and all vanilla units, having only a single race-specific unit (Wyvern Riders).

>>163173369
Yeah.
Orcs suck, but they are the closest a normal race.

Their Halberdiers don't even have negate first strike, while Highmen have Pikemen instead of Halberdier which are better.

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>>163172210
Okay, fine, you win.

>>163173568
ALL RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

>>163151010

The human lifecycle goes like this:
>5-30: mindless action games and RPGs
>30-35: strategy games
>35-...: don't play videogames as they are worthless time sinks

Strategy games will never be popular, because the people who might want to play them would rather achieve things in the real world.

>>163173906
>would rather achieve things in the real world.
I would like to, but I am unable to do so so I've been playing strategy games all my life.

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>purge a few dissidents here and there
>the whole galaxy hates you for a millenia, calling you genocidal, including your most faithful vassals
sounds about right yeah
>create a vassal as collectivist fanatic militarist
>individualist pacifists
sure, that's about the kind of guys i'd put in charge of one of my puppet states, totally

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>>163174979
>playing Stellaris

Found your basic mistake.

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>>163174979
>somehow I'M the bad guy

>>163173906
I started playing total anihilation when I was three. TA, Red Alert and warcraft taught me english (not a native speaker)

>>163175992

Playing on insanity gives a very good challenge and in most games if you just play like a regular rts (charge and kill them all with no fucks given to diplomacy) you will be fucked.

Anything below that difficulty is fucking lame though. Also unlike historical rts's the map and neighbours change randomly. The game fucking rocks and you are missing a lot of fun.

>>163176373
I was taught English by Red Alert, Team Buddies, Unreal (it had a french translation but all the cheat codes were in English) and Haruhi Suzumiya.

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>>163176375
But Distant Worlds and Aurora are still miles ahead as a space 4x game.

>>163174979

Individualist now beats collectivist and xenophobic. You might not get that many minerals at the start but on the long run you can just have a shitload of ethics divergence and nobody inside your empire gives a fuck because of the policy tolerance bonus. You can also use that to forge migration treaties and you get a shitload of pops for free. Everyone will have its happiness at 50% or so and you will not have any problems with research or energy (there wont be slaves being smuggled either like the other ethos). The problem is that you cannot pick military dictatorship which is the best regime (extra influence for supporting outposts in far away rich systems).

>>163176701
Do you mean behind right? Steve can't even make a BARELY functional UI.

>>163176701
Why are all the screenshots just text?

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>>163176837
There is nothing wrong with Aurora UI if you are not an illiterate retard.

>>163176879
Not all of them.

>>163176919
That is literally being a drone. Aurora UI is a massive pile of horseshit, the game is badly coded, so much he is working on a slightly less shit version of it, I'm paying this game for 2 years and I hate myself for every minute I waste with it.

>>163177023
>I'm paying this game for 2 years
You're being scammed, idiot. Call your bank and stop the payment.

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>>163177023
>its shit because its shit

Yeah, typical ADD retard and his "arguments".

>>163177119
Fuggg ((((( luckly the dev is autistic enough to make a living out of internet poker so he does not need shekels
>>163177127
>need 5 clicks to reach the menu you desire
>every action requires fighting the UI
>no way to filter shit so when your empire grows it becomes a chore to find stuff
I really hope steve gets his shit together. And being a mindless drone like that makes you no different from mine craft kids.

>>163177439
And luckly he seems to be learning his lesson and is fixing a lot of things in Aurora C#

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>>163176770
yeah but i hate ethics divergence, xenos and free migration

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Wee russian mods

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>>163177439
>>need 5 clicks to reach the menu you desire
As opposed to what ? Having everything on the main screen ? You need more clicks because this game is not some arcade bullshit like Stellaris where your entire battle tactic involves " click rmb on enemy and pray for victory".

>>163177439
>>every action requires fighting the UI
I dont have to fight with the UI, i've been playing this game since like 2013 and never even once felt like anything is hidden from me or hard to access.

>>163177439
>>no way to filter shit so when your empire grows it becomes a chore to find stuff
False, there are shitload of ways of filtering your planets or ships. You just have to posses IQ above 80 to figure that out.

>>163177627

I didnt liked it too, but once I started to receive other pops with traits like strong, agrarian, talented and other science related crap (apart from being able to colonize different planets) I saw potential in chaos.

Slavery and purge works well, but they have a problem. The purge makes you lose time because you need to repopulate and your own species might not be able to set on that planet and slavery only really gives you minerals.

I did heard good things about the orbital control laser though...

>>163145450

Fuck just remembered! Information quarantine + reeducation campaigns.

>>163178101
Not him but could you learn to quote and not talk like a retard by bringing up IQ like you're insecure or something so people like me who also like Aurora don't look like obnoxious faggots?

>>163178101
Whatever you say hothead, but all these things I said were acknowledge by steve and are getting somewhat fixed in aurora c# so keep your panties

>>163178101
That Aurora's UI is pretty damn bad is a globally acknowledged problem even among its fans. It'd be like an EE fan defending its pathfinding or an AoEII fan defending its historical accuracy.

I suppose turn-based RPGs are off-topic, right?

>>163178358
What do you mean by turned based RPG
Like, D&D spinoffs?

>>163178392
I mean Japanese RPGs with an entire team moving around the map, like Phantom Brave and such. I kinda want to git gud, but I can't find any general and I'm afraid that bringing them here will definitely change the general to something else.

>>163178536
I dunno man
That's pretty damn far off point, like I get exiled strategy generals but like yeah...
I personally don't mind but I doubt anyone else will be okay. I guess...you could try? I'm not sure most people here play that stuff anyway.

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>>163178294
>That Aurora's UI is pretty damn bad is a globally acknowledged problem even among its fans

Where ?
And as opposed to what ? Is there any other so detailed space 4x ? Because its easy to trashtalk Aurora UI when compared to say MoO if you never take into account that MoO has 1/100 of Aurora complexity and amount of gameplay features and options.

>>163178203
Maybe i will do that if you suck me off.

>>163178218
Thats a natural progression of an upgrade.
Still Aurora UI is not the best but its hardly on the "fuck this game aint playing this shit because of that" level.

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>>163178536
Bring it on.
So I can bring Battle Brothers.

>>163178358
People are posting RTS games just to keep the thread alive, so if you want to talk about Hyperdimension Neptunia you don't even need to go through the mental gymnastics necessary to redefine it as a 4X.

>>163178634
I honestly dunno. To be frank, I'd rather hit Gamefaqs than bring it here. It'll cause waifufags to barge in, and we'll lose all discussions.

>>163178647
Yeah, no, fuck that. I'll google and find tutorials myself rather than bring this mess here.

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>>163178637
>when a underage edgy kid learned to play aurora, lurked in /gsg/ and discovered /4xg/
MODS

>>163178637
You should post Aurora screenshots, so we can make fun of you for defending its UI even though it consistently has text overlaid on other text.

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>>163178637
shhhhh

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>>163178701
Neptunia has its own general, so even if you can't speak about the mechanisms there without having idiots sperging out about girls and shitposters, I'd rather not bring it here.

Look at my ships instead.

>>163178637
>And as opposed to what?
That's not relevant. Bad UI design is just plain bad UI design, you shouldn't be comparing it with anything else. The lack of filters or ignores is a pretty big thing in and of itself.

>Is there any other so detailed space 4x?
Can you stop typing like an imbecile and adding random spaces to the end of your sentences?

>Because its easy to trashtalk Aurora UI when compared to say MoO if you never take into account that MoO has 1/100 of Aurora complexity and amount of gameplay features and options.
At the very least it could bother to keep its fucking text seperate or in tabs instead of overlaid because someone forgot how to code.

Now fuck off back to /r/eddit or /b/ you underage master baiter.

>>163178953
>the mechanisms
Literally nobody cares about the mechanisms. You shouldn't either, because it's not really a deep game with a lot of choices. Just nep.

>>163178776
>lurked in /gsg/
If he lurked in /gsg/ he'd be better at shitposting
t. liquorbaron PRO

>>163179110
>idiots sperging out
Thanks for proving my point. Now you can fuck off back to /nepgen/ with your "I speak for a silent majority".

>>163179173
>tfw you noticed /gsg/ was turning to shit after the release of europa manaversalis and left
>tfw I missed this liquor meme
Can someone explain to me? /gsg/ is now for me something like the borg but instead of assimilation, memes. Mechanical, autistic, unstoppable, incomprehensible

>>163179236
>thanks for
But it's true. There's nothing to talk about in the mechanics, it's literally all self-explanatory. Ask your questions I guess even though I only did rebirth 1-3, but I mean, weapons are just straight upgrades, outfits do nothing, the skills have their entire effects with no hidden effects displayed right there, there's no hidden stats...what is there to ask? It's as if you wanted to ask about the mechanics of minesweeper or checkers.

>>163179059
Stop, he is trying to do paragraphs. It's a confusing thing let him practice.

>>163179342
/gsg/ is actually okay now most of the time even though Report and Ignore is still going strong
You remember how Victoria II has factories right? Well, Liquor makes an absolutely insane amount of money due to underlying mechanics. It gets to the point where you can unironically build liquor factories no matter what your situation is and be assured you've made, if not THE best, the second best choice for your factory. It really took off as meme (along with cement eaters) after someone started drawing little MS paint comics insulting Victoria II fans and Victoria II haters (I think it's two different anons but eh).

>>163179362
You have to optimize your combo setup to provide correct elemental damage, guard breaking, and EXE buildup. This is a difficult task because the stats aren't hidden. You have to actually read what the game offers instead of getting the correct answer in a game guide.

>>163179571
At last I truly see the memes

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>>163179059
So you dont have any real argument beside picking on grammar, typos and talking complete shit about lack of "filters" and the fact that game that is 100 times more complex than other space 4x dont have everything on screen at once.

Good to know. Stay retard.

>>163179362
>there's no hidden stats
But the buffs aren't detailed, the "power" details in the attacks do jack shit, you never know how long the buffs last for sure, you'll never know how much damage you'll deal to an enemy, and all the game can be resumed into "make levels, spam skills".

I don't like that. I honestly don't. I like games where I can take a look at an enemy's stats and immediately know if I can beat them of not. In Neptunia, there's nothing like that, you have enemies with a normal defense level that are immune to all physical damage, all the buffs "improves your stats", it's never explained how much they buffed or not, you don't know if the buffs got from items are equals or better than buffs got from skills.

I hate not knowing. It gives the feeling I'm only winning through luck and grinding.

>>163179620
...so what the hell do you want to ask or discuss? It's not a difficult task, because the stats AREN'T hidden. Furthermor you literally don't need to optimize, just putting in 'good enough' combos will let you flatten bosses even if you're slightly underleveled.

>>163179683
Get better at shitposting m8. Start with pastas, it's shitposting for babies.
>he proved my point about the shit UI right there
You see how all of those text bubbles overlap so you can't see shit, instead of coming together in a box that lists what is what in the system?

>>163178116
all i saw in chaos was chaos and the urge to purge and set shit straight with my frontier commissars and orbital mind control lasers
i like it nice and tidy, terraform everything, gene mod everyone, cleanse ennemy systems, purge xenos and suppress dissidents

>>163179768
Neptunia is not a serious game. I won't say you're playing the game wrong since I'm of the opinion you can't if you're having fun, but the game is literally, not figuratively, built around cute girls, meta jokes, and memes. The Japanese version is unironically filled with 2ch memes. It isn't a game about minmaxing or even legitimately fighting, the battle system is a shoddy half-assed JRPG system.

>I like games where I can take a look at an enemy's stats
Doesn't that take the fun out of it? Metal Dogoos dodge almost everything but you don't know that until you fight them and then you know. That's basically how it works.

>>163179683
>he is still in that phase were complexity = good
Have a (you) kiddo.
(you)

>>163179957
Not him but complexity isn't bad, and more complexity can even be good, as long as it's accessible and clearly presented. Also as long as it's not endless amounts of micro no matter how high you go such that you can't even really turn it off.

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>>163179791
>You see how all of those text bubbles overlap so you can't see shit, instead of coming together in a box that lists what is what in the system?>>

Speak for yourself, i can clearly see what is going on and what means what.
And there is a complex list of everything that is in the system from the System Information menu to a simple tab on system view screen.

>>163180046
I never said it was bad. I just said it wasn't synonymous with good, where he in his retarded b8 posts is treating aurora as shit straight out of god's ass because >MUH GORILION TIMES MORE COMPLEXITY

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>>163178637
>>163179683
>>163180151
Pic related it's you

>>163180169
>>MUH GORILION TIMES MORE COMPLEXITY
That is one mad faggot right here.

>>163179956
>Doesn't that take the fun out of it?
It highly depends from what you consider fun.

I consider to be fun situations where I make complicated plans and have them unfolding exactly as I planned. I like strategy games for that reason, there's very little randomness to them.

Neptunia just shits over my plans. It's like playing Dungeons and Dragons with a MC that says "yeaaaah, he's hurt, he, like, loses some HP".
I WANT NUMBERS
I WANT TO HAVE PROBABILITY
GIVE ME PERCENTAGES
GIVE ME NUMBERS
GIVE ME MORE NUMBERS

And for that reason, I am incrdibly frustrated by Neptunia. And that's why I have fun with strategy games.

>>163179683
Although it does seem tempting to micromanage the crew, design, and maintenance of every single supply ship and tanker in my empire until the game crashes, I have to admit that the community around Aurora is particularly angry, thin-skinned, and so incapable of reason that the game doesn't even provide any bragging rights for being 'intellectual'.

>>163180206
Another great argument from sperglordus maximus.
Im simply blown away by their quality.

>>163180151
Yeah no you can't unless you have superhuman polarizing eyes
What does the light blue shit say in your screenshot? The previous one says Centaurus A (G6-V Protostar) but what about the thing next to it covered? It could afford to be clearer yes?

>>163180240
Well then don't play Neptunia. And in D&D you literally roll 1d20 to see if you die so I dunno. Or if you're unlucky, you don't even roll. Power Word Kill.

>>163179956
>doesn't know that metal slimes have high defense power

You need to level up your own cultural exposure before you can participate.

Then play some Sakura Dungeon, since it has an easier-to-understand version of the same combat system.

>>163180304
Please don't say that, we're not all like him ;_;

>>163180240
I dunno man.
If it's all KEIKAKU DOORI I only find it fun the first two times or if it's truly just beautifully executed, like a pincer in HoI III that traps the entire Soviet Army in Poland. I mean, that's what strategy is all about; you can' lay a perfect plan.

>>163180446
Metal Dogoos don't have high defense, they have incredible dodge
And bitch I know I'm just raising an obvious example.
somehow bringing up Dogoos made me think of Porings and now I want to play RO again fuck you

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>>163180151
>i can clearly see what is going on

>>163180240
>It highly depends from what you consider fun.
>I consider to be fun situations where I make complicated plans and have them unfolding exactly as I planned.

I consider to be fun situations where I just deal with shit as it comes up with the minimum of complexity, and just generally build stuff without giving too much of a fuck.

(You) and I are not going to agree on literally anything.

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>>163180359
>What does the light blue shit say in your screenshot
Ranges from various fire controls/active sensors as seen in the upper part of the circle.

>The previous one says Centaurus A (G6-V Protostar) but what about the thing next to it covered?
Next planet, Centaurus A - I and II .. DUH.

>Yeah no you can't unless you have superhuman polarizing eyes
You do know that there is zoom feature in this game ? From 5k km to several LY ? You do know this right ?
You do know this that planets and moons have various orbits, some longer, some shorter and sometimes text WILL obstruct one another on certain zoom levels ?
You do know this right ?

>>163180583
Light blue is a range of a beam fire control and darker is the range of a beam weapon itself.
Not that hard to catch on once you play this game for more than 5 minutes.
Now granted if you are one of those guys who want to start the game and be spoonfed in the instant, you will be severly disapointed.

>be poor
>know how to program
>want to make game
>bad at art, so strategy game sounds good because it has lots of programming and little art
>nobody plays strategy games except tiny clique of angry spergs

Maybe I should take the Paradox route and sell patches as DLC.

>>163180774
>DUH
What about people who don't know that? I did. I probably know more about astronomy and astrophysics than you ever will, but the words themselves remain unclear.

>ranges from...
That's not what I asked, I wanted the exact words. Obviously you can tell me what it is by color coding

>zoom
Then hide the text or group them, this is basic fucking shit any first year learning C understands how to do it's literally a switch statement.

>>163180773
>I consider to be fun situations where I make complicated plans and have them unfolding exactly as I planned.

You'd hate real strategy games like chess, then. Thankfully the 4x genre is all about positive feedback loops, so you can snowball against an AI that can't even play the game.

>>163181058
>chess
Go is orders of magnitude more complex from a mathematical point of view and is probably harder to master at any rate.

>>163180359
But in D&D, you have ways to increase your rolls. In Neptunia, the roll is hidden, you don't know how it's rolled. You don't know if you need a 6 or a 2+ to hit.

>>163180542
I never get tired. I just prefer if I can tell beforehand how it's going to end.
Plus it's always very rewarding to come up with a strategy and see it working.

>>163180773
You. Me. Final Destination. No items. Fox only.

>>163181098
Wait, Age of Empires is getting an expansion again? What is it about, SEA?
>is AoE2 fine
Yes.

>>163181154
>you have ways to increase your rolls
A GM worth shit is not going to let you increase it to the point where you can be 'certain' of any outcome, unless he's using it to make a plot point. It doesn't really help when you roll that nat 1 and Amaterasu blows you to elemental particles with Takemikazuchi.

>>163181154
>You. Me. Final Destination. No items. Fox only.
No idea what any of that means. (You) win. Have a cigar.

>>163181098
If you're planning on playing it then let us know if Malay are as OP as they sound.

>>163180206
What the Christ is that even from?

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>>163181245
it's called Rise of Rajas, it's about Southeast Asia.
new civs are:
- Khmer (guys which built Angkor Wat)
- Malays
- Bhurmese
- Vietnamese (fucking shits).
There will be Gajah Mada (indonesian leader in Civ V) campaign (leading the Malay)

I mean, at least 2d art is nice even if it will be more or less same game
I think architecture is their best yet

>>163180953
>Then hide the text or group them, this is basic fucking shit any first year learning C understands how to do it's literally a switch statement.>>

Nigguh did you even played this game ?
Ranges for sensors are hidden by default and you can disable/enable orbital paths, names and planets/moons/asteroids themselves...

>What about people who don't know that? I did. I probably know more about astronomy and astrophysics than you ever will, but the words themselves remain unclear.
Again, did you even played that game ?
When you discover new system star is named at random ( or according to your chosen theme ). What the fuck do you think orbits star named Centaurus if not planet called Centaurus I etc ? Fucking Dr Who telephone booth ?

>That's not what I asked, I wanted the exact words. Obviously you can tell me what it is by color coding

Again, name of every sensor is displayed at the upper part of the sensor circle. Its not a fucking rocket science dude.

>>163181098
>is AoE2 fine?
It's a bit cryptic and you need to know a lot of things that aren't properly explained but it's pretty fine.

>>163181245
But at least, if you fail a roll, you can understand why, that's because you rolled poorly. In Neptunia, not only you don't see the roll, but you also have no idea of the goal you're trying to reach. It's like throwing a few dice over your shoulder, and have the game master saying "nope, didn't roll anything good, you take a hit".

>>163181434
This makes me moist.

>>163181378
I intend to play, but I never was too good to begin with in AoE2. I mean, I beat people on Steam, but didn't do it on high level especially when 80% of lobbies were non-games on Black Forest so when somebody played a normal map he was basically shit.

Idk about Malays being OP, but they certainly seem to have an OP archer/tower rush or knights rush because of heads up on feudal/castle ages

>>163181428
MGQ:Paradox
It's a parody character of edgy mysterious strangers.

>>163181468
>did you even played this game
Yes you fucking newfag, long before you did in 2013. I know you can do them individually; why is it not automatic at higher ranges? Why allow overlap instead of labels with a legend, not at all hard to program, or sequential listing of names?

>what the fuck
Bitch the naming convention is not globally known among non-astronomy enthusiasts.

>it's not...
So tell me what the light blue shit said when it was covered.

>>163181520
He's asking if he's allowed to post it
>you can understand why
Yeah because the dice were depleted and you should demand an immediate reroll
t. /tg/

>>163181602
>black forest
Baby's first map honestly
Literally just longbows / war wagons with siege onager spam. CKN work too if you rolled them on random.

>>163181124
From a strictly mathematical point of view, any Civ game is even more complex. That metric is completely irrelevant.

>>163181713
It's also generally considered a harder game period because it's not as strictly bound as Chess and the goal, while clear, is more general, and there are many more boardstates to consider. Moving a piece in chess means you consider the squares you control, lose control, threaten, etc. Placing a piece in Go means you have to re-evaluate the entire board anyway, not just focus on the area it directly affects.

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>>163181702
>black forest
>Baby's first map honestly
Hahahaha, what are you talking about?
Well, shit. I knew it was strange from me to be able to beat a standard AI.

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>>163181646
>Yes you fucking newfag, long before you did in 2013.
>I know you can do them individually;
>Bitch the naming convention is not globally known among non-astronomy enthusiasts.

>Claim to be playing the game for a long time
>dont know or comprehend basic gameplay mechanics

Ok, i get it, i got trolled.
Good one.

>>163181702
black forest is frustration, simple and pure. Most of these games are also 4x4, which means you have abysmal casuals which you have to carry most of the time, because they aren't on your autism level so they didn't master economy booming like you did and are to Imperial ages after you are.

So those games are a coin toss, either you have team that will have an army in time, or you will try to kill all 4 enemy players by yourself and pretty much fail most of the times because your allies absolutely need 100 paladins before they move their asses

>>163181909
It's baby's first map because lumber camps are just spammed, there's a massive amount of resources cleanly on your side, relics are less important since most of them are hidden in the trees and there's generally only one path of approach you care about.

>>163181973
>4x4 BF with n00bs
HAHAHAHA wow no I would never

>>163181973
>100 paladins
Mate the worst casual I've seen deleted his fucking villagers so he could make a full 200 army
He only had like 50 to begin with I was like literally what the fuck is your issue

>>163182156
>Mate the worst casual I've seen deleted his fucking villagers so he could make a full 200 army
Jesus...

>>163182076
I know, and I was playing mostly 1v1 Arabia, but I did some 4x4 BF cancer too. Never again. It's an abysmally shitty map that devs should erase from the game (but they won't since it's pro-casual).

>>163182156
>deleting vills
>having 50 vils
jesus.

>>163182354
>4x4 BF
Translation, please.

>>163182076
no, it's babbys first map because skill doesn't matter on it when it's 4v4, it's just an over 60 minutes shitfest and clashing your toys until one of those toys gets proken before the other

and when it's 1v1 it's "whoever booms faster, wins".

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>>163182156
My face when...
>casuals don't make trade carts in a team game
>casuals only have one TC
>casuals don't know how to make the nazi farm around the mill and waste space
>casuals don't research wheelbarrow or hand cart because it's too expensive or something
>casuals don't go for relics
>casuals don't make villagers forever
>casuals cry about being rushed and quit before you can send help
>casuals try to rush in a team game and get stomped
>casuals scream into the chat about how their pikemen are getting stomped by catapracts
>casuals scream about how their epic paladins are getting stomped by gothic halberds
>casuals don't look at the civ bonuses and just look at the UU and UT
>when casuals leave the deer
>when casuals DON'T FUCKING HUNT THE BOAR

how do i not suck at endless space combat

>>163182539
Well that's just the end result of all the stuff I just said. Just a giant meatgrinder.

>>163182537
Black Forest Map 4 vs. 4 Conquest team game.

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>>163182537
8 players in 2 teams in Black Forest map, a map where there's mostly trees with narrow wallable paths that removes all the fun from being good at age of empires 2 and brings pretty much everybody to same shitty level.

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>>163182156
Were you playing with DSP or something?

>>163182703
Nah there's specific strategies for use in BF like Longbow / Onager spam or the ever-treacherous Siege Onager New Route shit

>>163182730
who

>>163181434
I demand a China buff.

>>163182547
>casuals don't make trade carts in a team game
Ha, I'm above that one.
>casuals only have one TC
Hahaha, w-what's a TC? A trebuchet?
>casuals don't know how to make the nazi farm around the mill and waste space
What? I know you make the farms counter-clockwise around the forum to save up time, but I don't know about the nazi farm.
>casuals don't research wheelbarrow or hand cart because it's too expensive or something
>casuals don't go for relics
>casuals don't make villagers forever
Urgh. This is just bad.
>casuals cry about being rushed and quit before you can send help
>casuals try to rush in a team game and get stomped
That's common to many, MANY games.
>casuals scream into the chat about how their pikemen are getting stomped by catapracts
>casuals scream about how their epic paladins are getting stomped by gothic halberds
This is just them jumping into the game without bothering with the wikis.
>casuals don't look at the civ bonuses and just look at the UU and UT
>when casuals leave the deer
>when casuals DON'T FUCKING HUNT THE BOAR
To be honest, these one are pretty advanced. If he knows about the boar, then he's no longer a casual.

>>163182694
>>163182703
Ha, BF stands for Black Forest, okay. That was obvious, in retrospect.

>>163182815
DSP, aka DarkSydePhil. An infamous bad Youtube Let's Player.
The kind of guy that skips the tutorial, rush in action, loses, blame the game, and then proceed to whine for days about how the game is unfair.

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>>163182815
>who
DarkSydePhil aka the worst "gamer" in the history of mankind
just look up "This is how you don´t play" on youtube and you will find pages upon pages of absolute retardedness its unbelievable (especially MGS 2 and 3)

>>163182936
>what's a TC
Town Center
>nazi farm
There's a specific way to make farms around mills that leaves no empty space. You need at least three layers out though.

>common to many, MANY games
Yes.
>wikis
There's that info mod that should really be in the gameproper
>if he knows about the boar then he's no longer a casual
No nigger
If you don't know about the boar you may as well not play the game, a boar hunter can be in Castle by the time you start researching feudal.

>>163182815
Siege Onager is Imperial Age. Which means that it's the same shit under different name, who cares if you hack a different path through the woods, if by that time everyone is sporting a fucking fully upgraded army.

On a normal game you need to choose whether you want to stay in Feudal/Castle and how much army you want to build in those ages. On BF there's a single answer, you just wall off the path to the enemy and boom up to Imperial Age.

Longbows are not "specific strategy", they're just a Briton unit that you will spam on BF because it's good on it because you can't get surrounded there.

>>163183104
>not specific strategy
Choosing Britons is a specific strategy.

>>163183080
>There's that info mod that should really be in the gameproper
True, true. It's one thing to say that pikemen are good against calvary, it's another to say they get a wooping +15 damage against them.
>There's a specific way to make farms around mills that leaves no empty space
I'll have to check into this. I found on Youtube a tutorial to make them around the town center (I was sure it was a forum), but I never bothered checking how you put them around a granary. Or a mill.

>>163182995
>DSP calls himself a "former pro fighting game competitor",
>lives with his parents
EPIK

>>163182936
>This is just them jumping into the game without bothering with the wikis.
Counterpoint: There should never be any need to read a wiki for basic gameplay knowledge.
That's just lazy as fuck game design.

>>163183307
>calls himself "former profighting game competitor"
>get double perfected by random
I'd like to see him trying a strategy game. It would be hilarious.

>>163183380
>>163183080 already pointed that out.

>>163182936
>To be honest, these one are pretty advanced. If he knows about the boar, then he's no longer a casual.

no
if you don't do the boar lure you literally lost right there, because boar lurer will have archers in your base before you are at feudal if you didn't hunt the boar.

you can get away without the deer, but boars are mandatory.

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>>163183380
>That's just lazy as fuck game design.
It's actually hidden on purpose, just like standing on a hill does +25% damage to anyone lower. It was something you were supposed to feel out or get by common sense.

>>163183460
>mfw four of my sheep and a boar were stuck inside the bamboo
I literally just opened up chat and said "guys gg my boar and sheep are inside the trees let's reroll"

>>163183460
If he didn't hunt the boar then the archer / scout rush is insane.

>>163183460
You're exageratting. The boar is, what, 340 food? That's equivalent to 3 farms. Not that much.

>>163184092
No he's not. 340 food but hunting is bar none the fastest way of gathering food (besides fishing) while farming is the slowest, and hunters carry 35 food instead of the usual 10. It's a huge fucking difference. The two boars added together give you 700 food in like two minutes if you hunt them in sequence with ten vills, that'e enough to make 14 villagers or 4 and age up.

>>163183637
>It's actually hidden on purpose
Deliberately hiding basic information from the player is a huge dick move.
Every game is potentially someone's first.

>>163184201
>a huge dick move
Personally I don't mind too much. A lot of it is pretty much common sense.

>>163184253
Not in video games where you rely more on the game's logic than your own.

>>163184309
There's a mod and I think pretty much everyone uses it these days. I like the idea of having an advantage because you paid attention and realized you were doing more damage or that catapracts are immune to pikes.

>>163183380
Back in my day we read the manual, does the steam version not come with one?

>>163184394
>catapracts are immune to pikes
Wait, they're immune?

>>163184435
>implying we all had a manual
Since I borrowed the game from a friend, I never had a manual, so I discovered 90% of the game through tutorial on the internet.

>>163184092
You are aware different food sources have different gathering speeds and that you need wood for farms?

>>163184541
Yeeep. Cataprachts take no extra damage from pikemen, much less from camels, and do extra damage against pikemen and infantry in general.

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Planning on making an Empire with the aim of having all species in the Galaxy and Synths united as full citizens under the one Government.

Is this set up any good?

>>163184607
If I remember properly, cataphracts are the horse archers?

>>163184541
>>163184541
You can pretty much fight pikes with cataphracts, but not halbs.

>>163184770
No, they're the Byzantine UU
Manguidai are the horse archers
By the way, horse archers might take extra damage from spearmen, but they also DO extra damage to them (+6?).

>>163184858
Haaa, okay. That's why they sounded unfamiliar.

>>163184607
I think cataphracts still take extra pike damage but its reduced significantly, not enough for halberdiers though

>>163185437
GWash be mad.

>>163184654
>under the one Government.
No sectors?

>>163184654
Kinetic weapons are better imo but yeah it looks allright.

>>163186209
Well, an Empire's sectors are still under the one Government.

>>163186209
In theory, sectors are just provinces.

In practice, they're a broken gameplay conceit that isn't even related to the game's theme.

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>>163184654
>Wormhole travel

It's a meme.

If you want to be able to chase enemy armies you need 50 wormhole stations in each of your jumpoints in addition to split up your fleet into 50 fleets.

>>163187904
You shouldn't really need to chase fleets often.
You win wars through occupations rather than space battles with either means they come to you or you run into them.

Besides: Jump Drives

>>163188410
You're meant to send your entire fleet to each planet one at a time.

>>163188410
No you just send your big fleet to their homeworld to draw out their fleet then your smaller support fleets to their outlying worlds to escort your invasion armies.

Is Encourage free thought safe to use with Fanatical Individualism actually?
Worst case scenario I might lose the energy credits modifier?

I kinda want to play AoE2 with /civ4xg/

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>>163190089
L-lewd...

right well im sure you get this quest a billion times a day, but...

what sets Civ VI apart from Civ V? Me and my mates loved CivV and are considering getting VI, an xmas deal if you will. Is it as fun? What gameplay changes are there? As good multiplayer?

We all hated BE if that means anythin

>>163189550
Yes.

Absolutely.

>>163178358
If it's not 4x, it's off topic