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>>162802261

what is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.

dread ted
git shames

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There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest ogre around?! Oh my God.

I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your Orc:2 room, giggling like a little ogre girl as you once again type "remove because it's not interesting" while adding some pseudo-intellectual filler you've thought of just to
lengthen your 2 (two) int post to justify a removal. Maybe you're such a disgusting Cr*wlDevDrone that you actually paid for a tavern pass, so you can just support the devil's team. Oh, and we all know your epic comments. The "redundant" "unneeded" "uninteresting" "boring" isn't it? I bet you imagine removing yourself every morning because you have a +3 M/F apt, laughing so hard as you post your "design ideas" which always includes removing content that you drop your Pandemonium Pizza on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with an ogre mother. You are a fat fucking manlet ogre, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of doing everything for you all goddamn day, everyday, for a grown ogre who spends all his time posting on tavern about what to nerf or remove. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be an ogre hunter or an ogre venom mage or something grand, and then you became a Cr*wlDevDrone. A pathetic american Cr*wlDevDrone. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how imbalanced her M/F apt is and how she wishes she could just remove herself. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "LOL, too good pls nerf or remove" You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little manlet ogre laughing in the dark 1x1 tile by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.

Forever...

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i think i broke something

>>162804464
>shitposting in his basement to compensate for his tiny M&F apt
Pottery.

Is there any hope at all for making cohesive stories in CDDA or is it seriously just a meme sandbox?
I have a hard time getting any kind of immersion when everything is wacky future shit and horrible monsters come out of the forest every 12 seconds, but mundane worlds can be rather boring and/or easy. If hordes weren't such a fucking nightmare I might not even complain.
Am I doing something wrong?

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Okay, so the apt change is a bit annoying after all, it streamlines you into packing almost all xp into M&F, leaving you with less options for Lair - no Evo, no Throwing, shitty Dodging etc. Okawaru is still easy mode because you get +5 to skills and I imagine Trog is as strong as ever, but I wonder how previously mid tier ogre gods like Dithmenos or TSO would fare.

On the bright side you can get support spells like ozo armor pretty easily since your ER will be low or 0.

It's not a roguelike and I have no idea why it's on RogueBasin, but I feel obliged to state that Warsim is quite fun.

>>162805614
>cohesive stories
>immersion
you are posting in the rogue like general thread

why do you think anyone here cares about any of those things

how do i get good at slex

>>162805956
Become the amy's human toilet
Once she'll sit on your face with her sexy farting butt and activate it to cover you in manure, you'll finally see the way.

>>162805956

pinch more tummies, go vegan for a month.

>>162805838
I ask because, statistically, someone else has had similar thoughts. As for the issue in the first place: Cataclysm puts a lot of emphasis on simulationism. It's not exactly Nethack.

>>162805614
its easy as long as you dont stay in one spot
choose a life on the road and that can be your story

>>162805726

I sure wish these fucks actually play the game first before making these changes. Large clubs aren't even that good since it has no gimmicks unlike the other weapons except irrelevant additional damage that misses often. This should be common sense but it somehow isn't for them.

>>162806085
what is the best role and race though

>>162806651
>damage
>irrelevant
did you know that weapons with a higher damage stat make the enemy's hp go down faster
and enemies whose hp stat reaches 0 can't attack or kill you any more

>>162806651
>Large clubs aren't even that good since it has no gimmicks unlike the other weapons except irrelevant additional damage that misses often.
anon...

>>162806653
alien transvestite

>>162807036
>>162807240

>what is a Triple sword's riposte
>what is an Executioner Axe when mobs are what you encounter 99% of the time
>what is a Bardiche that has so many ways it can be used it makes me puke that it needed to have almost the same accuracy to a GSC to balance

>>162807573

>what is a Triple sword's riposte
effectively just a damage-per-turn bonus on a weapon that is otherwise lower-damage, higher-xp-cost and 1000x rarer than a GC

>what is an Executioner Axe when mobs are what you encounter 99% of the time
a crutch for baddies who can't manage their positioning and don't know what corridors are

>what is a Bardiche that has so many ways it can be used it makes me puke that it needed to have almost the same accuracy to a GSC to balance
much weaker than you think it is, evidently
reaching is not exactly amazing except when you're abusing it with allies/flame clouds early game

>>162807573
>what are these that all require 26 skill for mindelay compared to GC/GSC's 18!!!/24 for less base damage
Also note that 3Sword and Exec Axe are exceedingly rare.
Giant clubs are _very_ good and you are bad for disagreeing.

>>162807928

>Axes
>a crutch for baddies

More like you're just too bad to use them. Axes are designed for players that are intelligent enough to skillfully determine mobs that can't kill them even if their 3x3 are filled in exchange for a drastic highest damage dealt per turn among all weapons since you hit more dudes. The more you can kill in a fewer turns than other weapon types, the greater you are rewarded. Deep Dwarf speedruns are good examples of this.

>>162808407
if the mobs can't kill you anyways then defeating them faster doesn't matter, you idiot

crawl is secretly just a shitty MMO game, it all comes down to pulling aggro effectively
if you're fighting big packs of enemies at once then you probably fucked that part up

>>162808485

So what does your non-sequitur have anything to do with Axes dealing the highest damage per turn among all weapons again you shitter?

>>162808649
because the player can only safely achieve that damage per turn against mobs that can't kill them, aka ones that DO NOT MATTER

the only situation where cleaving is actually better than fighting enemies single-file is packs of smiters

oh yeah also speedruns
but lmfao if you care about crawl speedruns

>>162808735

Then have you actually counted how many of these mobs that DO NOT MATTER appear in the game? Killing all/most of them in a fewer turns for a higher score is why Axes are so good and you're bad for thinking otherwise.

>>>>>>>>>>>score

>>162808792
>>162808848
>not trying to win as quickly as possible
t. 100k turn 3-rune gargoyles

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should I branch off into earth magic and learn ironshot, or just keep going with fire magic + staves?

>>162804531
seriously though does anybody know why my view area has gotten so small due to all that extra black space
the map only covers part of the screen as well

>>162808891
Playing for speedrun records and playing to win are often at odds with each other.

If you originally meant to say that axes were better than GCs _for speedrunning_, you should have said that you were playing Meme Speedrun Crawl and not Actual Real Crawl Crawl.

But if you are actually a speedrunner I have no idea why you think reaching or bardiches is good.

>>162809308
Ah wait i fixed it.
I accidently changed my sidebar size

>>162809369

>going for a better score is always speedrunning

so this is how minotaurs see things... woah... really makes u think

Is there a way to get the dog to stop folowing you in cata after you complete the mission to bring it back to an npc.

I would have though the dog would start following them and leave you alone.

>>162809857
that's literally what your score is based on though?
if you are actually winning rather dying, the only major contributors to score are # of runes and turncount

playing for score is speedrunning, because speed is all the score is based on

>>162809369

Playing for a slightly better score and Winning often are mutually inclusive. Since we have no standards on which one is actually doing which, we're just have to assume for convenience that anyone with decent winrates on their 15 runers that (((doesn't take too long))) are doing it. Now what's a good minimum range, 15M? 16M? 17M? Whichever you pick, it is just silly to call that speedrunning.

Hm i wonder if animal antibiotics are safe for humans
I imagine its mostly the sane shit.

Oh well doesent matter i found some on a tough zombie just then.

Neat i spawned near a combat knife.
I can have one i wield and one on my rifle for when i get swarmed while shooting.

>>162805614
>wacky future shit
>horrible monsters
I don't understand how these are at odds with making cohesive stories. The game takes place in the future and part of the story is that a whole bunch of horrible monsters were released into the world.

Why are you against speedrunning in Crawl? I mean really, without resorting to the usual "I only play real roguelikes" and "2 int minotaur" tier comments. I'm not talking about going for the absolute top scores, just e.g. ~25M, which is doable on many combos even without stupid amounts of luck.

>>162805614
>>162806098
No, it's a meme sandbox. You're better off just writing a story from scratch if that's what you want.

Do your meme grinding then abuse exploits and explosives. Hordes ain't shit even years in when it's filled with T3 enemies.

>>162806651
You can look at the webtiles of many of the devs who make changes, the problem is they've played crawl too much if anything.

>>162809859
Dog whistle. It'll die the first time a spitter shows up so don't sweat it.

>>162812435
If they touched you you already fucked up. Enjoy losing your stamina until you can't get away from anything, get grab locked down to 0 dodge and 25 spd then your armor slowly chipped until you die.

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I can't believe it, I only had to explore one more tile in Elf:2 and I could've gotten a statueform literally 9000 turns earlier. This is why I hate not pressing o

>christ, I can't open these doros for shit what's up with the rng
>Oh, I put 3 in forging and will instead of perception and will

>Get the shield of Fingolfin on 350'
Fug, what's a good sword and board build in sil?

>>162816858
Same as any other melee build. Don't bother taking Blocking if that's what you're asking.

>I like to think that when you can't see a tile it's always distortion agnes
>it gives you a sense of scale

>>162817446
So I guess I'm relying on song of slaying to kill shit later?

>>162817608
>quoting the holy psalms in a time of Undickery
Stop it, you brute!

>>162802102

That Troll butt is quite sexy.

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>>162802102

Minotaur Pride Dungeonwide

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>10-29 protection on 450'
>11-37 if I took blocking
Firmly erect

>>162818320
>besides we're not getting banished like that!
>I like saying it out loud because it increases the chances of it happening

>>162817902
No. Define "later". You will want finesse, and possibly momentum later on. In evasion you still want dodging, flanking, and maybe parry + riposte.

Oh, Force Lance. Such a potentially wonderful spell, with such horrible, horrible implementation.

Dealing the same damage as Iskenderun's MB is NOT a point in your favor, even if it is an upgrade from half that damage like you used to be set at, and the *chance* to knock an opponent back is functionally worthless due to its unreliability.

All I wanted was a spell to push my adversaries into water and lava.

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>>162822697
I got this, lore keeper, lore master, crowd fighting, heavy armor use, and hardiness. I know floor drops and getting raw melee/evasion carry pretty much any melee build to 600' but I'm not all that sure how to build it past 600' where enemies are packing much better melee and evasion than you without stacking abilities. I'm not holding my breath on getting a great spear for focused attack+polearm mastery+knockback+controlled retreat either. I've done heavy armor focused attack+blocking but the penalties that piled up just meant I was back to a normal dude.

>>162822841
It was alright on hasted Sif characters back i nthe day though there was no reason to not just use OOD/iron shot

>>162823197
just train more melee. the only enemies that really have huge amounts of protection are Kemen and serpents, serpents are mostly just item destroyers. You can use a 2h weapon for them. Another option if you find it is to swap out for a sharp arte weapon for serpents, like angrist.

>>162823326
How good is angrist on just any build anyway? I've shied away from daggers pretty hard unless I find a poisoned one on a stabber build

>>162823462
It isn't that great, but it is useful for killing Serpents and Kemen which are both extremely annoying.

>>162823462
You can easily kill Morgoth with it with Subtlety, Rapid Attack and a big Song of Slaying bonus.

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>Come down to a new floor
>Blow warning to suck everyone nearby into a killbox because no easy door tricking
>Get a sulrakuo, 3 giants, 6 easterling archers, uldor, 4 wargs, and like 8 easterling warriors
>Kill off all but uldor and the archers
>Fighting floor wrecking faggot for some 15 minutes while neither I, he, or his pack can kill each other
>Can't land decisive blows and didn't take throwing mastery so the spears aren't doing jack shit
>Give up and do the diagonal triangle attack at a doorway chipping him once every 6 or so turns
>He turns to flee
>tfw crit
Ahhhhhhnnn!

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>>162824691
G-Guess he picked stuff up at some point...

>>162824264
What's a good two-weapon charge+flank+whirlwind meme?

>>162825923
There's no point in getting whirlwind attack because you can always just use an herb of rage instead and you're better off putting what will likely be 2000+ XP into more melee or evasion or even just taking an extra point of str or dex.

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I just got farther than ever before in DCSS as a Gargoyle Fighter using a broad axe and large shield before I died in Pan. After running Okawaru for a while until I had good gear and than switching to Zin after I got my +9 holy broad axe from TSO I had completed every branch and gotten every single rune except for the 5 in Pan and the 1 in Slime.

I was making my way through Pan fine when I came on an island of lava where there were like 15 of those demons that use throw damnation and they were all packed on the island but they were the ones who couldn't fly so they would not leave the island and so to kill them I had to risk getting hit with like 4 damnation per turn because I had no ranged skills trained. I was worried there was one of the runes there that I would miss so I tried it while invisible and buffed up etc but I died.

If I had grinded more in Hell or the Abyss first and leveled up a ranged weapon I could have stayed just in range of 1 or 2 at a time and killed them that way. I guess if I want to win a 15 rune game without any cheating or save scrumming I just have to do the same but also train ranged weapons. It's a shame because before that point I had only got as far as beating the Tomb but had never ventured into hell, I was hoping for a 15 rune win.

Would you guys say it is possible to get all 5 runes in Pan as just a Melee tank w/ ranged weapons with Zin/TSO or is it necessary to have certain spells?

>>162826436
No you just needed to ignore Hellion Island. It is a fixed vault you can recognize and skip every time.

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>the elona squaresoft/final fantasy music pack link doesn't work in the pastebins

The one time I wanted to relive nostalgia through music. The one time.

>>162827202
Elona pasta is old as shit.
Check the pasta in the Elona thread on /jp/

>>162826490

Okay thanks, two questions than. Is there ever a chance that there is a rune that would be placed there, such as the 5th Pan one that isn't protected by one of the 4 unique Pan Lords?

Also, aside from that are there any other instances in Pan or Slime in which a ranged weapon is needed if you don't train any spells? I got through the Tomb, Abyss, Zot and all of Hell fine without any ranged weapons but if I don't need it for Pan or Slime I'd rather not waste an hour grinding to level up a ranged skill before those areas.

>>162827850
There is a guaranteed demonic rune there, as is the case for a few other fixed Pan vaults (that are not unique panlord floors). None of the other ones are very dangerous though. You can easily do extended with no ranged and no offensive magic, especially as a Gargoyle. Try changing to TSO once you hit XL27.

>>162827353
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

>>162828016

I'd like to switch to TSO for Pan but it seems like there are mutation-causing monsters on every floor there and if you don't find an amulet of mutation resistance or save up 10 cure mutation potions than without Zin you are risking getting fucked up with mutations that cripple you.

I really wish they made it so that there was a more reliable method to avoiding mutations. IMO it's needlessly annoying that amulets of mutation resistance are so rare that they only show up once every 4 or 5 games.

>>162828883
You mean amulets of obsoleteness.

>>162828632
Don't you ever reply to me or my son again.

>>162828883

>amulets of mutation resistance

what game?

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>>162828632

>>162828883
Try using summon butterflies. You can always just swap to Zin to cure mutations after Pan, and then swap back to TSO. You keep most of your piety when you switch between good gods.

>>162828883
Should have played a halfling, they get intrinsic rMut (^:

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Is this shit worth wasting a level up stat point on int?

>>162828954

Damn, I didn't even know that. That just reinforces my point. I'm not opposed to the mutation system but when the only way to avoid them outside of extremely uncommon mutations/item drops is to worship Zin that seems like it's pointlessly constraining the player.

Especially since the player only gains favor with Zin from killing abominations and other chaotic creatures. My impression was that those end up not being that common on Pan and many of the monsters there are just plain demons and so it forces you to choose between using Zins abilities or the mutation protection because if you use them the favor isn't replenished fast enough from the occasional chaotic creature to provide full protection.

>>162829506
You can in principle use summon butterflies to block enemies' line of fire, but you will still pick up some mutations anyway.

I don't get it. So is it 2^2, 2^3,2^3, etc so 4, 8, 16, 32 right?

Bane
• You receive a bonus to all skill rolls against a selected broad category of enemy.
• The categories are: Orc, Wolf, Spider, Troll, Wraith, Rauko, Serpent, Dragon.
• You need to have killed 4 enemies from the category to select it.
• When you reach 2n kills of your chosen enemy, the bonus increases to +n.

>>162829502
You should be getting a couple int anyway to protect against drain.

>>162829738
>>162829502
Never mind I just fault into a gigantic pack of various orcs and wights on D:5

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It's hard to tell what the fuck is going on sometimes.

>>162830070
The only game I actually like playing in ASCII is dwarf fortress.

>>162830229
post the other one

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Jesus christ. comes with half a crit built in. Honestly not sure if I should replace my longsword with it.

>>162829738
Yes, so you can usually expect to get up to +7 against raukar (You want to take Rauko-bane)

>>162830264
You'd rather use tiles than ascii for pcb?

>>162830458
You will probably want to just go for 2 weapon fighting, offhand deathblades are good.

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Coming soon to a Demon game near you

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Is stealth viable late-game in DCSS? If I have around 17 or 18 Dex on a fighter build and train stealth up to lvl 27 and slip into leather armor does it work most of the time in places like Hell and Pan or does it only work there if you also have massive dex and multiple pieces of stealth-boosting equipment.

>>162823462
angrist is great for taking multiple sils or killing V because of the armor piercing and the fact that you are guaranteed to break a weapon while trying for 3-sil, so it's nice to have a secondary siltaker

>>162830532
I don't even know what pcb is m8.

I've only tried DF, DCSS, Adom, unreal world, Angband, CDDA, DoomRL and Prospector.

>>162830693
T-Thanks tower:3....

>>162830701
Go ahead and spawn yourself in as a demonspawn, wizmode in all the stealth unrands, give yourself all the stealth muts, use make randart a couple times and add stealth to get stealth+ in all slots. Drop an altar of dith and go nuts.

>>162830876
Poschengband. Basically a guy forked angband and added a ton of quality of life, combos, and difficulty additions.

>>162830701

If you have some form of distract stabs, irresistible confuse and paralysis either from gods or allies, a huge MAYBE but it's either so tedious or RNG based that it's just not worth it so just wear the heaviest armor you can, equip that exec axe and smash dat mf tab button. Stealth's purpose in extended are only for controlling encounters, killing Panlords/Hell lords if you see them while sleeping as a Dithmenos/cBlink user and avoiding malmutators

>>162830471
Took master hunter since I got -3 attack penalty from gear.

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>>162830876
>I don't even know what pcb is m8.

Was I gone too long?
Used to be pcb was the 2nd-5th most played game here all the time.

So why did they remove Hill Giants again?

>>162832191
Too similar to 2H Ogres which are now stronger and swarming the dungeon.

>>162832156
He new
We still play way too much PCB than we actually should
a dude killed the serpent in the last thread, too.
Hell, there are two more PCB forks even. PCB is more alive now than ever.

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>>162832378

>>162832372

Can those two headed bloat even throw nets like Hill Giants did?

>>162832684
ruks?

>>162832565
The new fork, PoschengbandR, added a birth option where you begin with a rune sword.
I think I'm gonna try out a Demigod^Hades blood knight/swordmaster.

>>162833127
>new fork
Can you guys please consolidate some good shit into primary fork and an experimental fork? Whatever happened to pull requests?

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>>162833127
Is late game swordmaster still
>Wild Blade
>get invulnerability
>it gets dispelled
>paralyzed

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>>162833220
>Can you guys please consolidate some good shit into primary fork and an experimental fork?
Run that by me again in english please
>>162833330
But I thought that was a meme

>>162830701
Sure it is, but probably not in a way you want to use it. Think of it as a tool for avoiding fighting rather than a tool for killing.

>>162833330
If you're invulnerable suddenly become invulnerable, you have to spend a turn yelling about how you were invulnerable.

It's just a rule.

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>Fug another round of fire
>Well, there's a mail of resilience and I do love con
>Bumpbumpbump DYWYPI?
Fug. Hate low damage with a shield, I get too bumpy and whoops, it wasn't a trash mob. That's the fourth time I've died down here

>classes that can't heal themselves
>classes that can't use spells to map the area

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>>162833462

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>Reading the sil forums
>One guy had a light radius of 15

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>remove features
>simplify remaining features
>remove monsters for literally no reason
>add gods nobody likes
>add spells nobody uses
>every
>single
>patch

why are DCSS devs actively trying to make their game worse?

>>162835578
Ha. Maybe I should a thing in PCB where if you have ton of light / darkness, you get a light/dark damage-aura.

>>162805726
>>162809306
what gaem?

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>check shop in outpost to see if there are some staves of ID in stock
>find this
I'm glad.

>>162836161
But don't you like all those tactical and interesting garbage spells that use the obsolete garbage Hexes school?

You didn't need useful things like book amnesia, a Veh or Makh or Yugioh worth worshipping and all those scummy utility spells, when you can have dev-approved FUN

>>162836161
Because when you've played too long you become a malignant tumor

>>162836678
I think I'm more pissed that the instructions on how to book amnesia that were at the bottom of the book's fucking description were considered "spoilery". It was so fucking retarded and proof of just how powergamey and out of touch they are that they only interact with books via drop and the memorize hotkey.

>>162826436
you can do without spells but if you're not wearing cpa/gda and your mouth isn't too full of trog's giant berzerk ogre dick to say the magic words, you should definitely learn some cheap low-level spells like blink/apport/regen/rmsl

>>162830974
>Poschengband
>quality of life
ahahahahaha

>>162836473
jesus chris how cheerful

>>162837627
Have you played Angband?

>>162833220
pseudoelliposchengband: child of elliposchengband, child of mpa-poschengband, child of poschengband, child of posband + chengband

save compatible with vanilla pcb

mostly qol shit and bugfixes

poschengbandR: all the qol shit from pseudo but also some other shit like new classes, races, uniques, weird birth options, etc

frequently breaks save compatibility, you'll need to make a new char

>>162836838
Nope - Cigo degeneration was removed

>a mod of a mod of a mod of a mod of a mod of a mod of a mod of a mod of a mod of a clone of moria

best religion for high elf fire elementalist
cast your votes now

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>>162838518

>>162838518
>votes
>no poll
Fucking retard

>>162838518
Always Chaotic. You can sac anything that's not undead with shift-O and some clever bottling.
Just don't step on the altar yourself.

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Guess I'm using charge today

>>162833330
as a matter of fact you don't lose a turn when wild invuln wears off
unless you were invuln from another source as well beforehand, in which case when it wears off it will cancel your other invuln and you'll lose a turn

the shieldmaster's sanctuary doesn't cost time when it ends either, although it ends if you hurt anything. maybe useful for closing to melee range

>>162838518
>>162838987
fixed

http://www.strawpoll.me/11883166

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>>162839079
>3d6
Isn't that around the highest you can get in sil

>>162839326
It's the same damage as a normal greatsword i think, just better accuracy.

Note that this takes two hands to wield. Bastard swords are 3d3 but they get a +3 dice bonus when 2-handed, meaning that they become 3d6 as well.

>>162839540
How many dice does ringil have?
5d5?

>>162839673
those are the dice in angband, but that would be op as fuck in sil

i think it's a 2d5 mithril longsword with frost brand and a bigass bonus to accuracy or parry or something

>>162839283
>no High Elfs were removed option
keep denying reality

>>162839326
4d5 on a side boosted great axe. 5d3 on a side boosted mattock, 3d7 on a two-handed side boosted battle axe, 2d10 on a side boosted glaive. Grond is 6d5

The Glaive of the Sirion (-1,2d10) [+1] 7.0 lb
--------------------------------------------------
It cannot be harmed by the elements. It grants you the abilities: Zone of
Control and Opportunist. It requires both hands to wield it properly. It
counts as a type of polearm.
(level 10 / rarity 20 / quality 35)

The Great Axe of Nogrod (-4,4d5) 11.0 lb
--------------------------------------------
It increases your strength by 1. It slays raukar. It provides resistance
to fire. It cannot be harmed by the elements. It requires both hands to
wield it properly.
(level 18 / rarity 15 / quality 45)

Pretty much nothing resists so it's "3"d5 with sharpness
The Mithril Longsword 'Celeg Aithorn' (+1,2d5) [+1] 2.0 lb
--------------------------------------------------------------
It is branded with lightning. It cuts easily through armour. It cannot
be harmed by the elements.
(level 20 / rarity 10 / quality 22)


The Greatsword 'Calris' (-5,3d7) [+1] 11.0 lb
-------------------------------------------------
It increases your constitution by 1. It is branded with flame. It makes
you more vulnerable to cold. It lights the dungeon around you. It cannot
be harmed by the elements. It requires both hands to wield it properly.
(level 15 / rarity 15 / quality 72)

>>162839673
Nah, it gets good egos, acc, and evasion though.
The Mithril Longsword 'Ringil' (+3,2d5) [+3] 2.0 lb
-------------------------------------------------------
It is branded with frost. It lights the dungeon around you. It cannot be
harmed by the elements.
(level 20 / rarity 7 / quality 56)

>>162839997
Calris sounds fun.
Doesn't it also aggravate? I'm probably thinking of another hueg sword.

>>162840184
No, the vulnerability is a pest though. Saithnar draws wraiths which is a pest when you aren't up to dodging hard to see +16,2d5 ignores armor darkness attacks.
Not seeing any wrath/aggravate arts sadly.

>>162840231
angband ringil also has +5 or +10 speed on it

>>162836678

Oh, and don't forget to always cast Confuse ok? Very cheap """""""""""""investment""""""""""""" for Very """""""""""""high""""""""""""" returns!

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>>162839079
>Wear-id an amulet
>Oh god it's haunted dreams on 400'
>Run through a confusion trap to try and make it to the stairs
>Shadow spawns in front of the door
>Oh fuck there's 3 shadows
>Open the door to the stairs
>Warg
>Exploded

How do people play crawl with anything that's not a 1080p monitor
the tiles are so small
you can't even see the details
Laptops were a mistake

>>162841268
You kids these days... Back in our time we played on a 800x600 terminal and we liked it.

>>162841268
just hold your face closer to the screen

Are potions of ambrosia worth carrying?

>>162841584
Yeah, they're excellent post-tele heal while you're trying to get back on your feet before roamers swarm you.

>>162841584
They saved my life a lot when I was shit at the game.

I find them useful in the hell branches to patch yourself up quickly after a fight or getting memed on by the malevolent force so you can keep moving.

Just don't use them during a real fight

>>162841584
If you're playing as a magic class, yes, very. If you notice that you have low HP in combat, chug ambrosia to survive.

Which should I use?

+5 demon whip of venom (non-artifact)
+2 morningstar (elec, Dex +5)
+5 eveningstar (venom, Str +6)

>>162842408
Morningstar

>>162836291

dungeon crawl stone soup

>>162842408
Eveningstar. Breaking ac is important

>>162842408
>>162842470
O wait, where are you currently located? What did you clear so far?

Starting to make a little headway in Demon after a few bumpy starts. I can currently either move onto Tower:4, go into a sanctum, or visit Arcadia. What should I expect from the latter two?

>>162826436
where was your Sanctuary anon isn't that the reason you switched to Zin in the first place

>>162836161
no u
though honestly they could keep high elves

>>162841584
fast life+magic regen isn't bad to have

>>162842202
>in combat
10/10

>>162842408
not the first one, run an fsim between the other two and see. i think eveningstar would be better but i'm not sure

>>162836291
boku no pico

>>162842598
Heading through Vaults now, cleared Orc, Lair, Dungeon, and Lair branches

>>162843201
Yeah, idk what to use then between morningstar and eveningstar.. Elec is so good down there and so is breaking ac in a way.. Just use morningstar for now

>>162841584

Yes. As much as !curing and !HW and !haste

>>162843201
Do Vaults down to 4, but do Depths before Vaults:5. Also read up on Vaults:5. Probably the hardest part of a typical 3-rune run.

My dcss is still version 0.16
Is there any major reason to update?

>>162845713
read the version changelogs. You can try out pakellas in his prime. Hepliquanna ally, The 8th billionth rendition of Nemelex cards. Xom's nicer than ever. Try out Usk. Clear the desolation of salt.

>>162846063
>still no rC
Well first of all, learn to crop
Second of all, good luck!

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>>162846258
Fixed
Should I got for it? Never completed the game, but i think i am strong enough this time. Any tips?

>>162846483
ctrl-f rC+

>>162846483
Still no rC.. If you have a ring with rC, swap it for the B ring
Also your equipment looks nice so youre good to go

i just finished watching naked (1993) and i feel sad

>>162846483
You are more than strong enough to win. Play it safe, use your consumables, and don't forget about the blink/teleport restrictions in zot.

>>162846801
amy stop blogposting and delete your game

>>162847073
don't you ever fucking dare compare me to amy or reply to me again if you're not contributing to the thread

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>>162846683
>>162846693
Currently at Zot:2, almost died once, but because i was careless trying to fight many at once, now I`m using corridors

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>>162847176
No

>>162847302
do as you're told you dirty whore

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>>162847387
That's not a very nice thing to say, anon

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>>162847201
Was it a good idea to switch the armours?

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>>162847201
Take it slow anon, you got this!

>>162847674
six more AC, but one less rF.

who knows.

don't fight more than one orb of fire at a time, i guess.

>>162847674
Ehh, its really nice to have rF+++ for orbs of fire in zot

whats the current flavor of the month

>>162848306
>>162848181
2 is fine plus you can quaff for 3. You can 1v1 faggot with rF

>>162848673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GRUfR7J5Z0

>>162846483

carry lots of cure mutation potions.

>>162847302

Sauce on that image?

>>162848898
FR: Make malmutate temporary alreayd!

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>>162848832
'TIS THE WRONG KIND OF DICKERY
The music is still super catchy.

>>162849123
I could give you the place, but you'd have to go back a year and a half of furry porn reposts.

playing unnethack, anyone got tips for Demogorgon?
Yeenoghu managed to summon it and I'm not entirely sure I'm prepared

>>162849194

Do it, or at least give me an artists name.

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>>162802102

I just picked up a Fencers Gloves that allow me to sometimes riposte with weapons other than long blades and allow me to riposte every single time when using long blades.

Would it be best to take advantage of that by switching to long blades or would the advantage gained be roughly the same as riposting at the normal rate on a non-long blade weapon?

>>162849543
If you invested into long blades, use it with that, if not, it woul be pointless to swap to them now

>>162849503
Does elbereth or scare monster still work? If so, stand on the upstairs, put one down and smack him to death.

>>162849523
http://nobby-art.tumblr.com/
Thankfully he changed the page layout, it used to be a endless page and my browser would crash after page 20.

I'll try to give you a broad page number between which you could find that specific image.

>>162849543
Now you just need to find the dark maul and use it as a defensive oneshot stat stick while you switch str and int with wonders decks and cast spells.

>>162849523
http://tra-ybbon.tumblr.com/page/250

it should be between 200 and 250.

Good luck!

>>162849715
already tried, unnethacks version gives no shits about elbereth
also to complicate things the level he's currently on is the dragon caverns which sadly has 2 exits

>>162850596
>unnethacks version gives no shits about elbereth
also 3.6
get on with the times, grandpa

>>162850724
nah its just that elbereth doesn't work in gehennom
technically where he is isn't gehennom anymore, but he's still not giving any fucks

also currently without a pet because my lv 42 purple worm ate a chameleon when I wasn't looking

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>>162848898
Got 4 of them.

Lets do this!

>>162851316
You can do it anon, always consider your options and haste on the orb run, especially if some nasty shit like fiends or pan lords spawn.

>>162851316

use a digging wand to cut through bullshit

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>>162851104
>my lv 42 purple worm ate a chameleon
Every single time.

>>162851581
the damn thing even looked like a level appropriate monster
and life was fairly short for munchy, the violet fungus

>>162851828
*hack pets were a mistake.

>>162851951
eh, managed to turn my cat into a blue dragon fairly early on so he sorta carried me through the low levels
then he died picking a fight with a disintegration dragon but he served his purpose

>>162851951
>play a *hack
>try to keep my starting pet with me so i can make it curse-test-items and shit
>kill self on D:3 after the fifth minute of mashing 5 on a > waiting for it to walk next to me

>>162852274
play a knight and just ride it
or die slipping off your horse

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>>162852274
That's the worst part.

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>>162851316
>>162851491
>>162851548
I did it! Hahaha!

>>162852274
As I recall you're meant to carry tripe so your pet stays close to you

>>162852484
i thought the tripe was only for training it to burgle for you

>>162852550
if its a bit hungry it'll stay close if you have appropriate food
tripe for meat eaters, veggies for herbivores

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>>162852460
>Tyrael

I like you.
now win a real combo you memer

>>162852460
Well done

>tfw your win rate ticks down as you keep dying to stupid shit

>>162852460
good work, the first win is always the sweetest, and nerve-wracking.

the only people worse than those who care about winrate are those who pull up your online winrate to disparage you in an argument

>>162853143
This anon has an 82.6% winrate over 12k games. Get a job you loser.

>>162839326
Here's glend in action against morgoth.
http://angband.oook.cz/screen-show.php?id=2314

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This looks familiar...

>>162853851
THE GOO IS IN THE WATER!

>>162853851
which version of which fork are you playing? I'm playing the latest R and I haven't gotten any bugs yet.

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>>162851316
>clearing both lungs
Mad man

>>162852460
Gz anon! Now time for online play and more wins!

>>162854246
I'm playing the latest version of Pseudoelliposchengband. This seems to always happen when going to Icky Caves for the 1st time, heading back to Outpost from the south, then using auto travel key.

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I detected monsters earlier, saw this guy on the list, and assumed it was the identical-looking P outside the vault.

Then turned a corner and had my face blown off.

>>162853368
That hugo dude scares me. Nobody can play that many *bands and still be sane.

>>162854303
>he doesn't clear both lungs
it's like you don't even want the free XP

>>162854518
Always examine everything and pay attention to your monsters in view window. pcb is absolutely testicles for eyes retarded about glyph use.

>>162854514
what OS?

>>162854514
He'll fix it eventually I guess.
Play the R fork for pseudo, it's pseudo+R merged together, so you can import your save without a problem.

>>162854518
>it breathes. What a noble sacrifice!
*bands.png.tiff.gif

>>162854518
I hate that thing, and worry I'll never get close to winning because I've never killed it

>>162854514
>then using auto travel key.
WHAT
ARE YOU TELLING ME THERE'S AN AUTOEXPLORE KEY IN POSCHENGBAND

>>162854715
the R fork is not savefile compatible

>>162854963
are you sure
even the new pseudo branch
it should

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Segfault breath. Cannot be resisted.

It's a segfault cascade.

>>162855071
breath damage lore broke save compatibility

which is why it's not in pseudo

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>>162854685
Win7

>>162854715
>Play the R fork for pseudo, it's pseudo+R merged together
I can't into compiling

>>162854846
Yes there is with `, but it is sometimes buggy (I've had it go fuck off four screens worth once before to a quest)

>>162855470
did that dragon get genderbent?

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Still kinda busy working on not-roguelikes.

>>162855431
Yeah, they are not really compatible since the pseudo deprecated my spell-damage lore ( which I then again re-introduced when I forked pseudo for R ).

>>162855237
I would make a super-boss for hell, I would make it breathe segfault.

>>162855470
https://my.mixtape.moe/qvhqgs.zip

Most recent build... I think.

>>162855669
>https://my.mixtape.moe/qvhqgs.zip

wtf it deleted my anime folder

>>162855470
can you specify where exactly you were aiming the `

i'm trying to reproduce this and getting nothing

>>162855669
well the spell-damage lore broke compat with vanilla pcb as well

i actually have no fucking clue how saves work or how to change shit so it updates saves from previous versions

also seriously just put exes on your github wtf

>>162855857
>also seriously just put exes on your github wtf
only retards put binaries and other build artefacts into version control.

>>162856142
you can make releases though

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>>162855857
I typically aimed somewhere near the center of town. Did it once to my Home and got that bug as well.

>>162855857
>also seriously just put exes on your github wtf
Fucking disgusting, quit roguelikes today.

i've tried editing the options file for nethack and it still won't fullscreen

help me /rlg/enies

>>162855857
k.

Well, it is kinda difficult to make some save-file conversions. The saves are basically a large series of bytes ( 2 bytes for 16-bit integers etc ), which have to be read in same order as saved. Making them compatible wouldn't be that huge deal, although I can't remember if I have properly altered version-numbering for R. I probably should have.
If the versions are different, I can just check if the file is old version, and when loading the spell damage values, instead of checking bytes from file ( which would offset the loading of saves badly ), just fudge them and proceed with game. The next save will update the file proper.

>>162856142
It is bigger issue when collaborating/bigger projects. Just throwing exe and updating regularly helps people who cannot into compiling.
I could make another repo for the releases. But won't be doing it today or tomorrow. Deadlines are creeping and my head aches.

>>162856295
>>162856142

First, do no bully.

>it's always good kill elves, remember this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDcoDMbmPNI&t=4h5m40s

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Human Monk of TSO, what am I in for? I will use longe blades.

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ooohhh baby, lets just hope I can survive until I get 2666 gold

>>162859685
TSO is not really a great choice earlygame, hepliaklqana gives you massive boost in power at ** piety, especially if you pick the battlemage ancestor,

also, are you playing an older version, since monks can pick weapons now.

>>162856220
Or people can spend a fraction of a single ascension learning how to compile whatever for your OS. Stop making excuses.

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>>162860006
Humm, I think i may have misclicked the weapon, anyway, found altar soon, let the roleplay begin.

>>162860136
Natasha + Ghost of old MiBe, dead, well, that was fast.

>>162859685
A harder game than Gr/HO/Mi for no real reason. You wont be able to tab as easily. The lower damage of long blades will cause you some headaches until you get the skill for twohanders but then you'll be taking more damage as you will only have divine SH to make up for your mediocre AC/EV

>>162860006
TSO's fine. He gets halo for acc, divine shield for basically strapping on another shield, he gets a powerful and cheap AoE, and he can spam self-healing angels and large shield wielding smite casting daeva's like popcorn in any hard encounter by Lair:6

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nigga fuck damage spikes and fuck dream sheep and also fuck me for rushing to the labyrinth, which gave me fuck all, and placed me back in the horde.

>gargoyle of TSO
>find a manual of invocations at the end of Tartarus
>"might as well make use of this, TSO's powers scale with invo anyway"
>funnel all XP into invo
>immediately enter Dis
>somehow only notice before Dispater's chamber that my invocations went from 14 to 25 and the manual is long gone

How much of a waste was this? I know I probably should have put some of that XP into my actual combat skills which are all in the early 20s, but is having that much invocations going to have some type of noticable effect on my powers?

>>162863327
doesn't it give you a notification when you finish a manual
like a press space to skip notification

>>162863494
If they did, I didn't notice it.

Doesn't matter anyway, just splatted on Gehenna 7.

Lesson learned, kiddos: even 60+ AC and a large shield doesn't help when you're spitroasted between two damnation hurlers

>>162863327
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/5ec54a4b4090f0cfd8404e5ea0298e1225a55723/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc
Divine shield

// affects size of SH bonus, decreases near end of duration
you.attribute[ATTR_DIVINE_SHIELD] =
3 + you.skill_rdiv(SK_INVOCATIONS, 1, 5);

You can clear out all the demon/undead in range of your cleansing flame for 2-3 casts of it and get hp+mp back for it. TSO is legit.

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>getting a lucky drop at level 12
I can feel the fault approaching.

He also had a pattern cutlass with +3 str/con, not that it is useful to me.

>>162853851
ok this is fixed on github

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In C:DDA, whats the difference between bashing, slashing and piercing damage?

>>162866404
armor has different defense values vs bashing or slashing

piercing checks slash armor but it also has some kind of bonus to armor penetration i think

>>162866404
Cutting and piercing weapons have better stats but some monsters have high armor against them.

That's about it.

>>162866404
oh yeah and shit with high bashing damage can be wielded to make you better at smashing shit

wield a homewrecker or a sledgehammer and you'll have enough bashing power to knock down walls (probably, depending on your strength)

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tummy slaaaash!

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>press >
>rodofdetection
>holy shit there are 20 Ls in LOS of me, I could have instadied

>>162871610
this is one of the many varieties of examples that show why Create Doors is the most powerful spell in the game.

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I fucking love it when you get transmuters off the ground.

>the craft ego can have mana brand
holy shit i wish i was a class with mana right now

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>>162872309

>>162871610
L's were liches right?

>>162874462
Well some of them are Black Reavers.

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>>162871857
They have "ground"? Spiderform on d:2 and it only becomes better from there.

>>162874769
For some reason, I can clear dungeon,lair,orc with unarmed draconian with 0 spells but die on the first few floors when I play transmuter, so I decided to just rush bladehands this time and pump UC,fighting,dodging.

>>162875027
You probably don't use enough spiderform and snek.

>>162875027
Cast appendage and fix your low starting UC first thing. Use sneks too.

>>162875392
I personally prefer to fix low starting spiderform chance. The bonus to UC from spiderform is bigger than what you can get from the skill, and you get 20 EV immediately too.

How do I download Elliposchengband for Windows?

>>162871761
>>162871610
>tfw no rod of create doors

>>162876593
there's a scroll of summon forest which is nearly as good

doesn't prevent monsters from walking through at all but it blocks LOS

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Statue form is god-tier, I really,really hope I don't splat this guy. I don't want to go back to playing armoured tabbers.

>>162876856
Just wait until you're a pale dragon

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>>162876856
Statueform is great, yes, but blade hands + armour works fine too.

>>162876856
But with statue you ARE an armoured tabber anon, don't pretend you're not.

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>>162878975

Why the sudden animosity? Don't bully!

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Nearly got my ass destroyed against Lerny in statue form, so I decided to just go dragon form which 2-shotted him.

>>162880460

You can do Slime rune if you have rCorr

>>162876593
there's wand of wallbuilding

>>162876593
>tfw japanese adom has a wand of door creation and a wand of wall creation

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Lair branches + vaults: the biggest change for Ogres here is that you can actually get up to lv 5 support spells. This mostly means good summons like ice beasts/lightning spire and maybe even forest or mana vipers. I have the lightning spire easily castable in FDS and 16 in Throwing too, so it's not like I'm only going for magic.

I expect that level 6 spells are an upper limit for a 3 rune melee ogre, but that's a huge improvement over previous level 3 + PoG.

>>162885706
Elona and ADOM are functionally the same, except the former is not made by a complete dick and does not suck.

>>162886758
Not that guy, but I tried playing Elona a bit and it seemed plenty different to me. Is it really that similar?

>>162886987
Tower of Eternal Flames
Stomafillia, Morgia and other herbs
Poison Hands and Mana Battery corruption
And probably many more

>>162887478

>Tower of Eternal Flames

What is this?

>>162886987
Elona is literally an ADOM rip off flavored with weebshit

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Speaking of Elona, the Amy (who is loved by all of /rlg/) also started a new character. Check that history. "You like being chained up" :D

>>162888125

>Age: 10

enjoy your ban

>>162888278
>not realizing that wasp lifespans are different from humans

>>162830876
No nethack?
Also nethack is by far the worst game to play in asci i do not know how it got so popular before it got tiles

>>162889751
what? how are nethack tiles better than ascii

it isn't like adom/crawl where the tiles mode actually shows you more information than ascii

>>162836161
>you close the door
>door clearly open
What

Also what game can you play as an octopuss

>>162836980
I dont play this but that sounds retarded.

>>162836161
they want to make people play good roguelikes instead, e.g. slex

>>162889751
>Also nethack is by far the worst game to play in tiles i do not know how people can bear with those fuzzy pixel graphics
ftfy

>>162890019
basically there was a super niche mechanic that almost nobody ever used where you could destroy a spellbook to forget one of the spells in it (freeing up the spell slots that it took up)

nobody ever used this because there are way more amnesia scrolls than a typical player will ever use

basically it was only for minotaur fire elementalist meme strats where you destroyed your fire spellbook on turn 1 and worshipped the berserker god

>>162836161

Their hobby is pretending to be retarded that's why.

>>162849782
>it used to be a endless page
Oh god who the fuck thought that was a good idea and why is it so common

>>162847679
dumb akari poster

>>162852460
Congratulations

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>>162890571
Im not dumb..

>>162855237
>windows

>>162856695
>people who cannot into compiling
Its not fucking hard
Well unless something does wrong then it can be a nightmare

>>162891292
Not worth it if you're running Windows just to play some roguelike desu. If you're on Linux sure.

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tummies...?

>>162888502
If earth was visited by aliens would we expect them to follow our age of majority
If so would it be based off our years or years on there home planet

Would there enlightened ways convince us to lower our own age of majority to something less stupid

>>162891292
Linux compiling is ezpz.

Windows compiling is a nightmare.

>>162836161
They're trying to make it more appealing to casual masses for the future steam release. The shekels aren't gonna get themselves.

>>162891862
>lower
fuck off back to octuplechan, pedo

>tfw your promising DrTm dies in vaults:5

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>162892694
Might be the best randart DA I've seen

>>162892694
Its meh

>>162893190
What's a good randart then?