/scg/edg/ Dangerous Citizen Elite Star General #107: Everything

>Old thread:
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first for sex with birdmen

>>162992039
that picture just looks like a HQ space engineers

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Why are people so pissed about ship sales?

>>162992351
What gun for these turkeys?

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>>162992601
Dunno. People somehow seem to think that CIG is a charity and not a business.

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>>162992601
Because they don't realize it could've been much worse.

First for great editing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UpYsOwlGY

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>>162992039
That copy-paste terrain.

They should proceduralize terrain structures.

>>162991445
You're right, they originally said it would be not shown, but released this year.

>>162992910
wat

what's copy and pasted about that?
The ground has ridges through which gives it a wavy pattern

What's a good mod for a gimbled large cannon? They all seem kind of meh, except sturdy mount for the extra HP, but getting my weapons blown off usually isn't a problem unless I'm dead already. Is it all about dat Experimental with cannons?

>>162992606
Buckshot should do it. Slug centermass from a distance.

They actually got rid of all of the funny warning labels in the Caterpillar. Fuck CIG.

more like Kys Roberts

>>162992601
Personally I'm just sick of hearing about 'ship sales' or 'new concept ship' referred to as content. They still haven't even done like half the ships (Most of which are massive) and the oldest ones are/need to be reworked, and the ones they introduce don't even fully work yet.

New ships are cool, but I'm not excited at the "offer" to pay them another $135 for a ship that's not more than a drawing.

Also, with all these promised features, ships alone aren't enough anymore.
Where is the economy, the professions, the new zones/cities, the landing sequences, the cargo, the animations, the planets, the working ship interiors, the mining, the complex destruction sequences, the dynamic interior destruction, the dynamic ship repair...

I'm not expecting these features to be done, I'm not even expecting them all to be worked on right now, but I want to SEE some progress, some clips of working in progress that aren't scripted to all hell, even a buggy graybox/wireframe whatever would be cool.

I still have hopes for the game, and I'm well aware that it takes time, but going for months and months with "It's coming", "Weeks, not months!" isn't enough.

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Cat command module living area is pretty nice actually.

>>162994715
How is the interior? Is the caterpillar the biggest implemented ship at the moment?

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>>162994445
All ships are missing features especially in the damage system, multicrew won't truly open up tell item 2.0.

I do agree it is frustrating especially with no word on 3.0 from the live stream. The good news is CIG should start being open about 3.0 once 2.6 hits live.

With the new changes/flight model is Arena Commander "fun" now?

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ayyyyyy

>>162994921
Not that guy but, it's the longest ship so far but I'd say it's smaller than the Starfarer in interior space. The caterpillar feels quite cramped in the main body, large enough to move around but it's still no large open areas. The Starfarer has a lot of empty space imo.

I love the caterpillar though, the layout and cargo hold is nice as hell.

>>162994970
Arena commander was "fun" in 2.5.

The problem with asking if something is fun, is it's too broad a question. Almost no one ever has fun losing, and in a game like that, someone is losing, always.

>>162995053
Man, I really wish I could have gotten in on that PTU. Fuck them with that subscription baiting.

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>>162994921
Looking good. The layout is somewhat confusing at first though. Also the Starfarer isn't as long, but significantly wider and higher.

>>162995137
I'm a subscriber solely because I like AtV et al. Well, that and the other misc perks and hangar loot.

The PTU is a nice bonus.

Have any of you goonposters got an animated gif of sandis tickleporn?

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>>162995053
>get a subscription and do a QA job for free!

>>162995435
Seconding

>>162994921
>Is the caterpillar the biggest implemented ship

longest but not biggest

cat
>85k kg
>120ish m long
>14ish m high
>20ish m wide

starfarer
>350k kg
>100m long
>24m high
>45m wide

although the starfarer has a lot of empty space on the back cuz of the fuel tanks and the interior has a lot of corridors

New jumppoint link?

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Spectrum is pretty slick. Can't wait until it's in-game.

>>162995624
>implying I'm working
I have no problem reporting bugs, but it's not like I'm rigorously testing this shit.

>>162995724
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/f2tvibc84fl0tr/source/JumpPoint_04-12_Dec-16_Tevarin-Topics.pdf

>>162995875
>Spectrum is literally Discord
Great job, Turbulent. I bet they only took a year or two to make this.

>>162995954
And discord is literally Slack which is literally IRC, how much variation do you expect from a chat interface?

>>162996150
>Still using IRC
>Occasionally teamspeak, nothing else

Feels good.

>>162995724
http://pastebin.com/Cd9wQ9YB

>>162995875
sweet

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Why can't I join or click on the PTU section?

>>162996859
Because you weren't selected.

Any XMPP clients recommended here?

>>162996859
PTU is sent in waves. After 5(?) waves it gets sent to live where everyone can access it. Think of it as a stress test for the update.

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>>162992810
I'm not sure if this whole stream was really funny or really sad. Maybe a bit of both.

>>162996273
>teamspeak

What the hell is wrong with you?

>>162998841
It just works™. I have no need to switch to anything else because I understand it, and it fits my needs perfectly. if I need more functionality or an expanded feature set, then I'll switch, but I don't.

>>162999095
You sound old

>>>162988173
>about difference between SC and Space Engineer.

Maybe there's a better way to phrase it but Space Engineer isn't made to be as immersive than SC is meant to be. You are right it's intricate as it's very complex, but not in the way SC is.
Ship building for SE is a limitation because the developer have to predict ahead of time of possible way for players to minmax the ship, as a result you can't have the arbitrary role balance that SC will have.

It don't mean that Space Engineer isn't good, but it isn't comparable to Star Citizen.

enough said

>>162995053
How does one get an invite on the PTU without having a sub?

>>162999279
Report bugs.

>>162999227
>You sound old

Because a program I use occasionally works perfectly for me? You sound retarded. Sorry I really don't give a shit about discord and its facebook-lite social media memery.

>>162995875
>>162995954

At least Spectrum won't feel like it's gonna include ads any time now, unlike Discord.

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The Chris and Tony Q&A of the live stream.

https://youtu.be/GWSepGjbiX0

Mostly talk about economy and subsumption

>>162999664
Listening to Tony 'Autism' Zurovec makes me moist.

>>162999664
you know
Is there actually any new info in that? I didn't really follow the stream, but from what I've seen it was mostly stuff they already talked about several times.

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>>162999845
They go in depth on how hard it is setting up the basic economy mainly how much should a gun cost compared to a destroyer. Also some farming talk.

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The biggest enemy in star marine at the moment is lag and random frame drops

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Wait Tevarin are bird people?

Fucking hell the furries will be insufferable.

>>163000119
bavi

>>162999664
Star Citizen Holiday Stream but every time Tony Zurovec says Ya Know the fidelity increases.

>>162999994
Anything about professions? They haven't talked about how they want stuff to work at all after showing the 3.X roadmap.

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>>163000308
Aeyoo..

>>163000119
They talked about farming, how players are excited about non combat related rolls. and how 3.0 won't have the full economic simulation just partial.

I expect them professions to be talked about in detail after 2.6 hits.

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>Sabre the same speed as the Gladius in every way

lol

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>>163000119
Don't forget the Turtle People.

Besides, a setting with space aliens should have playable space aliens. At least they aren't rubber forehead people.

MAX BURN SPEEDS:

F7C: 515
Sabre/Gladius: 610
Avenger: 655

>>163001667
>Warlock: 645
Why?

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I know people are kinda sick of new ships but this unused concept for the Prowler would make a sick Tevarin fighter

Let me into crusader REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>163003930
A bit too big for a fighter, it could make a good medium sized freighter.

give me 3.0

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>163004349
you are REEEEE is unreasonable mine is not.

>>163004284
They could just scale it down, don't have to use the same dimensions as the prowler

When I try to load crusader from main menu it loads me into my fucking hangar or does nothing and when I try to use the elevator terminal in the hangar is says all instances are full.

This is bullshit, how could they fuck up something as simple as having enough servers up to support what they KNOW is going to be a a massive flood of people.

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The Sabre actually has retro thruster effects now. The lack of those has been annoying me ever since they put it in the game and apparently nobody at CIG even noticed. At one point I met Paul in Crusader and told him about it, now it's fixed. Feels good.

>>163004874
uhm are you fucking retarded?
or is this a bait?

which race will be space niggers?

>>163006508
Humans obviously

Didn't get a reply in the last thread, so I'll ask again. What should I do with 65 store credits? I'm considering getting an Avenger, but I don't have a LTI token at hand.

>Upgrade Avenger Titan to Avenger Titan Renegade
should I?

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You wouldn't buy a ship or a shirt inspired by a pedophile, would you?

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>>163001420
>mfw no playable aliens

I can always "role play" a human supremacist if they do make them playable

>>163007710
You guys need a hobby. Have you tried videogames?

Anyone else have no sound of weapons firing in star marine?

>>163008104
Are you in space?

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>>163007710

wew

>>163008045

Fuck off, Shawn

>>163007674
no

>>163006508
the nigger in space

>>163007710
who cares

>>163007710
>>163008303
This is a videogame board.

Do you want to discuss spaceships?

>>163008229
no, most weapons from other players make sound but my own have no sound at all.

>>163008462

I am, the Polaris, dingleberry.

>>163007237
Not much you can do abouy LTI with $65. And with an Avenger you could always ccu to a Relient Tana later on.

>>163008573
>CCU to reliant

Not him, but why?

>>163008537
No you're reposting retardation from SA.

Now, would you like to discuss videogames or spacehips?

Why do the goons constantly shill themselves here?

Since Vanduul are separated into clans with little central governance, will some Vanduul not immediately attack player characters?

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I really wonder how much the Caterpillar can actually carry. The amount of availible space on the ground that has cargo locking plates isn't that great and the catwalk cuts off roughly 50% on the one side.

>>163009535
According to lore humans have never interacted with Vanduuls without them being aggresive so I doubt it. Although I guess a lone Vanduul might be fairly neutral if you meet them, they do some trading with the Banu so

>>163009602
the cat is a shit ship desu.
officially 512 Cargo place, a hull c has 8 times that cargo space and is smaller

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>>163009602
It looks like it's going to be 3x1 on one side and 3x2 on the other (Vertical). Might be 3x2, 3x3 though. I think it's a mistake to not have cargo in the middle like pic related. and have 2 stacks of 3x3 (Vertical)

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>>163009954
Your taste is shit.

>>163010003
I underestimated how high the ceiling is actually. Also yeah, no idea what they were thinking not putting cargo space everywhere. Kinda defeats the purpose of the catwalk.

>>163010572
gotta say from this view it looks almost like the overbloated objects/hallways-to-body size ratio found in MMOs was applied here.
Like like the Cat was initially much smaller but now looks over proportionally big.
Did Ben do this?

>>163012469
literally exactly what happened to the Cutlass

They just like bloating things up

lol, CIG removed holiday stream from their YT channel.

>>163012976
No, somebody put a false copyright claim on it. That happened with several of their videos in the past as well.

>>163013036
Really ? Well i guess they just should just quietly accept it, it's for the best..

>>163012469
it only "looks" like that
once you get inside it youll realize that its actually not that overbloated. hell you can barely fit the merlin ship inside the caterpillar without closing the modules

>>163012469
Well the Caterpillar was somewhat smaller in concept but that was mostly in length so it hasn't changed much. It doesn't feel oversized inside though, if anything it's slightly cramped in my opinion.

The Starfarer is the ship that feels oversized, there is so much wasted space.

>>163012971
I don't think they really want to sized ships up, it's just that you have to account for player movement and gameplay inside, which might not line up with concept, ships like the Avenger feel pretty shitty in this regard because the interior is so small.

https://youtu.be/YqjTtdKLKCc

>>163013474
sounds are awful but gameplay look alright.
Kinda gives me PS2 vibes

>>163013474
Click bait or just retarded?

>>163013893
>He doesn't know what the SC process is called when you record it

>these flight changes

This shit is awful lmao

>>163014010
>Squadron 42

Also after watching the footage I've found the answer myself, retarded. Let three enemies just run by unscathed.

>>163014178
>Squadron 42

Yes, it literally calls itself that.

>>163014178
>Let three enemies just run by unscathed.
Where do you see that?

>>163014571
1:40. Two guys walk by. And then the player gets overrun.

>>163013157
I get the feeling that ships look bigger in third person camera than in first person in SC.

I want a FOV setting.

>>163015048
Looks to me he was getting frame drops right that moment.

>>163008809

You sound like a complete fag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0T3KLnL9uY

Bunch of SC videos getting put up recently. Trying to mitigate damage from the disastrous stream?

God I can't wait for CIG to get their shit together with patching. I swear by the time I'm done downloading the PTU it'll be fucking live anyway.

>>163017779
Those are all segments from the livestream. They do it with every livestream.

>>163018102
Don't even bother with ptu. It's a mess.

>>163018389
What's wrong with it? Plenty of people have been saying the build is pretty stable.

Any new pictures or info about the Carrack ?

>>163009954
*pew pew*

thats the sound of you losing 1/4th your cargo in your hull series. whatchu gon do about it? huh? fight back? spend a little extra on more escorts? i don't think so.

>>163019596
>best shields in class
>possible armored cargoboxes
>escort

>implying pirate can shoot shield and cargo before get rekt

>>163018536
it's stable as fuck once you basically disable as much of the 2.6 UI features as possible.

basically the only people actually making it past load screens have all of that disabled and arent really testing shit. you cannot do anything without disabling all of it.

>>163001267
300 series are slower than all combat ships now, except 350r which still can only go 80% of a Herald at full AB.

>>162995875
I spy a skellybro

>>163019773
>shields
size 2 mass drivers are ignoring almost all of that, regardless of how strong the shields are

if you can't run or fight back you're fucked against anyone who actually wants what you got, even easier if they just want you dead

but we're a ways off from any of this mattering

>>163018993
No but there's a new shitty blue M50 for $135 so GET HYPED!!!

>Its a theorycrafting around mechanics that don't properly exist yet episode

After years of this I really lack the energy.

>>163001667
gladius firmly rooted in 'fucking pointless' territory then? or does it have some m50 maneuvering to make up for being an undergunned, fragile sabre?

>>163007710
is this guy claiming the polaris was named and designed by a fan?

>>163020330
theorycrafting is all we have, anon

it's not like we have a game

>>163009602
>they moved the catwalk to one side to take up less cargo room
>can't put cargo in the middle anyway
I am going to REEEE the fuck out of the ask a dev threads if this is the case.

>>163013036
I wonder who would do such a thing...

>>163013036
Citation needed

>>163013474
>actually tense
>actually tactical
>actually using cover and grouping, clearing rooms and not being five leeroy jenkinses
this makes the game look way better than the livestream did

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Chris, please.

Chris please stop.

Stop with the plastic shit Chris.

Please.

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does this basically confirm they've abandoned ship-to-ship bearding entirely? it was supposed to be the whole focus of this ship, now it's nowhere in sight.

>>163022331
I don't understand why 900 years in the future the most revolutionary change to firearms is a shitty beam connecting to grip to the stock.

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>>163022827

They do it with almost every gun and it drives me fucking insane.

>>163023228
that fucking yellow abomination

>>163022827
Because thumbhole stocks are assault weapon material in commiefornia.

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any elite dangerous friends here?

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>>163023228
Lol literally WHY

It just makes the gun unnecessarily bulky, non concealable, and impractical. Do they think it works like a knuckle guard? I really don't understand.

>>163023228
>>163023845
Good thing they're doing completely new concepts for weapons then instead of using that ancient garbage.

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>>163023845
>Lol literally WHY

They have this fucking obsession with giving laser weapons some kind of circular grip/stock bullshit.

>>163023228
I like that bottom right pistol
except it looks antique by today's standards

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>>163024308
Plus everything they make is retardedly bulky. You'd think for a universe where people live in cramped and compressed compartments with tons of close-quarters engagements the game would lend itself towards compact SMG-like weapons but instead we're getting things closer to full rifles.

someone post the SIM card crossbow

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>>163024963
You mean this one? It literally looks like the >>163024308 with some spider legs stapled to the front of it.

Can you walk on ships in Elite yet?

That's all I care about

>>163025136
yeah, that one, but there was concept art of it
it was by some autist that even chris didn't like

>>163025136
I like the aesthetic CIG is going for with the weapons, they're just too god damn chunky.

>>163025220
Yes but you can only walk, no jogging or running, it's more immersive that way.

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>>163025294
>>163025136
Are both of you retarded? That's not the SIM card crossbow, this is.

>>163026016
Why the fuck are they even putting crossbows in this game

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>>163024963
>>163025136
>>163025294
>can someone post the sim card crossbow
>[posts crossbow lacking any sort of sim card]
>oh yeah that's the one

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>>163026440
I forgot what it looked like
I'm also retarded

>>163024685

Well to be fair the weapons' intended environment is an in-game simulation of UEE Marines vs. Takticool Outlaws. It's not necessarily representative of the type of stuff people would be using in the PU. Have they even sold anything bigger than a handgun for UEC/Cash? Somehow I get the feeling we're not going to be seeing all this fully automatic hardware in the PU all the time.

I hope they handle gun laws and availability on a system-by-system basis. Frontier worlds and would barely notice anything short of full tactical gear and an LMG. Independent or shady settlements wouldn't blink an eye at a PDW and some medium armor, and so on until you get to places like Terra and Earth that heavily regulate the possession and use of weapons outside of your ship.

>>163026353

IIRC the lore is that the crossbow is useful on ships because there isn't a ton of room to maneuver and it will puncture armor and shields better than some firearms without causing catastrophic damage to ship internals like someone spraying an assault rife would. There might have been some fluff about not counting as a firearm on some regulated planets or some shit.

In reality they just wanted a crossbow for some game tie in.

What's the bare minimum crew you should be flying a Connie with? Soloing is a bad idea right?

>>163026353
it was a cross promotion with richard garriot's kickstarter game.
>>163025136
>900 years in the future
>could make origami wristmount crossbow out of superlight materials that folds out of a watch and shoots tiny lethal assassin bolts
>instead make it the size of a medieval battering ram so it can be semiauto

So to those who are in the PTU how is the 2.6 patch now live and not offline.

>>163027124

You can probably get everything done yourself though a friend wouldn't hurt. 4 is supposed to be optimal, but in combat you could use 5 or 6. 2 to man the turrets, 1 for the merlin, the pilot, and a copilot. Whether that's actually effective remains to be seen, but so far its not worth it as turrets are garbage.

>>163026440
I didn't even know there was a retarded SIM-card crossbow in existence for SC. I just posted the only crossbow I knew of hence me asking
>You mean this one?

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>>163026828
>that pic
>that reflection
I'm glad to see that literal whale dads are the ones we're sharing the community with.

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>>163027921
makes you proud to be part of the 'verse with these commandos, huh? o7

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I don't really mind some weird designs all that much. I like having something that visually sets the weapons apart.

Unless you want the Infinite Warfare route where they bring back Garrands and the like.

>>163009745
Isn't the in-game lore right now that Pirates are pushing into UEE space? Maybe once this quest line is done, captured Vanduul and assorted carpetbaggers might come in to try their luck.

>>163028125
where does the commando thing come from? isn't it just a goon invention? the word appears nowhere in SC lore.

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>>163026828

>>163028294
far as I can tell, yeah, it's a goon thing
does anyone have the image of their gay cat thing and the guy clipping through the floor?

>>163028634
no because I'm not a goon

Can someone with access and to a Caterpillar do me a favour.

Land it on a pad without the landing gear engaged if possible with the sides open.

Failing that, try to bring it level with a pad with the side open to bridge across to the pad and walk onto it.

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>>163028125
>I'M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PADS

>>163028832

Pretty sure its just going to explode because colliding still does an absurd amount of damage.

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>>163028313

>>163029585
>that kitchen
>that fridge
>that upholstery
>that posture
>those pleading, pleading eyes

Stop. Please. There is too much sadness in this image.

>>163029585

I never understand how people do this so badly.
It is not hard to buy a surplus flight suit and make sure it fits you.
There's no need to get these weird cheap looking materials.

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I'm really not happy with any of this.

>350r is the only 300 series to not get missile hardpoints. The M50 gets missiles, but the 350r doesn't?
>Herald can easily walk away from a 350r in open space.
>Herald top speed 1000 m/s 350r top speed 830 m/s.
>Herald only takes one second longer to reach max AB.
>All other 300 series are slower than any combat ship now.
>M50 has 40% faster time to full AB and can drift 100 m/s faster than 350r for almost the same top speed, 25 m/s difference now.
>Origin is dead. Killed by dads.

What do? Wait for rework and hope for the best? What would go good with my Cutlass? I already have a Dragonfly for the Cutlass.

>>163030578
300 series is literally a starter ship

get something better

>>163029585
as horrible as this pictures are, they give me confidens that this game will not run out of money.

>>162992985
In that wavy pattern there's a darker shape that looks a bit like the rear silhouette of a Polaris strached a little. It occurs around 15 times inside that red circle alone. I think that's what the anon you replied to was getting at.

>>163030678
Is a base model Hornet worth having or do I need a variant to be able to be competitive?

>>163030898
Don't race with a hornet.

>>163031318
Don't really care about racing. I got the 350r because it was the fastest ship and I didn't know they were going to nerf it into not being usable.

Why would I want a Gladius over a Hornet? idk much about either.

>>163031560
Why would you buy a racing ship if you don't care about racing?

>>163031560
Oh hi bamer78 you fucking retard
You're probably not going to get any sympathy here either
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5itesa/350r_owners_please_consider_stopping_by/

>>163031713
It was the fastest ship outright and a lot of fun to fly. I was hoping it was going to be dual purpose enough to put up with it's shortcomings, but Chris is making it clear he doesn't want it used in the real game, aside from a past time.

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I don't get the short-range/long-range dynamic as it stands/is planned for the future.

So there's a Quantum Drive, and a Jump Engine, and these are two different things correct? And the QD is for cruising around within a system, and a jump drive is for jumping between systems?

And many fighters have quantum, but no jump drive? And thus will require some way of being transported between systems, balancing their firepower by limiting their striking distance? And giving ships with hangars more utility?

Or have I got all this completely buggered?

>>163032170
every ship that isn't a snub can fit a jump drive.

>>163032480
So then what's the purpose of distinctions like short range/long range/deep space/etc.?

>>163032587
Nobody knows. Right now people think it might be the capacity of the QD fuel tank. From some recent videos we might be spending multiple minutes in system travel in QD if the maps are big enough. But nobody knows.

>>163032587
buzzwords
probably relates to fuel capacity

>>163032690
>>163032806
Alright thanks lads

>>163030578
Ship: (>‿<)

>>163032587
Short range will be QDing across a system, perhaps one jump. Probably limited to a system's distance before refuelling.

Long range will be multiple jumps, across a few systems before refuelling. (Vanguard is described as being able to cross two)

"deep space" I assume is high-endurance flying directly away from a system to find new JPs or objects of interest far from the star or nearest fuelling point.

So is there a list of ship speeds out there now?

>>163032145
>>163031924
Haha mad little boy pissed off my Herald has a higher number on the screen. If you bought a dedicated racer and are mad at the fact that it's a dedicated racer then you're just a fucking idiot. Be mad wetwipe.

>>163036090
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11B81QpGLgc2GeFsfLnVQLxGrqIfhKDKW1BiZ44E2HV8/edit#gid=2125521889

ifcs tab

>>163036090
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11B81QpGLgc2GeFsfLnVQLxGrqIfhKDKW1BiZ44E2HV8/edit#gid=1733128333

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>>163036330
>Retaliator can go from 145m/s to 930m/s

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>>163036330


>Gladius is now even more irrelevant because it has the same fucking speed as a Sabre (5 m/s LESS in SCM than the Sabre)

wew lad

>>162993203
Get the long range mod.

>Crash literally every time I get into a Star Marine game
fuckin hell, CIG.

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>>163036951
If you read all the performance variables you'll note that the Sabre has more mass, and HALF the strafing thrust in particular directions.

Guessing thats what they're aiming for with the Gladius; more responsive and more able to dart around

>>163037334
The Sabre feels better. The Gladius feels just like a Hornet. If you removed the dash, you could not tell what you are flying.

>>163037310
Are you launching from your hangar?

>>163037310
make a user.cfg in the TEST folder and put in "ui_frontend.startup_mode = 0" to disable the new UI, this is in the known issues/patchnotes as well.

>>163036543
Starfarer and a few others like constellation, herald and caterpillar go 1km/s in max AB.

>>163036951
Haven't tried it yet, but from looking at it, I wouldn't write it off yet. Like >>163037334 says, there's the rotation and strafing which make a huge difference, just take a look at some of the max accel rotation values, you're looking at less than 300 vs 700+ m/s^2

>>163037495
IDK dude the Hornet has really different jerk values and has higher stop times across the board. Are you using boost to compensate for drift?

>>163037985
The ships don't really feel that distinct anymore. It may have different values, but both ships feel slower than a Sabre.

The Gladiator may be a little better at high AB speeds.

>>163037985
Starfarer has 158 second cruise time.

>Holy shit, 2.5 minutes to full speed. How long to stop it?

clips
twitch
tv
hydrobigbang/VictoriousCarabeefSeemsGood

Fucking spamfilter.

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>>163039736
HIGH FIDELITY

***ATTENTION : REMEMBER THIS POST WHEN 2.6 GOES LIVE***

pyroburst and suckerpunches are literally the only viable weapons in AC, all other weapons are worthless past 1km

we shotgun commander now

>>163040407
>1km
That's a hell of a distance man...

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>>163032170
You've been explained, but just adding that some "long range" fighter have bed, which are meant to allow to save the game.

I'm disappointed myself that Jump isn't a special feature anymore, but I guess it's that or they would have to program a system of ferry so players aren't all forced to fly in medium ship.

So far the balance seem to be that fighter need to sacrifice some "slot" to add the Jump and will certainly use more fuel, which could suffice if it's a great advantage for a ship to be able to back and forth in a single system without loosing time to refuel (and assuming there's place to refuel).

>>163040407
Pyroburst is so OP, it only takes one or two shots.

Ballistics have been nerfed a little, but energy weapons aren't fuck awful anymore Omnisky VI can actually do some work.

>>163040608
>but just adding that some "long range" fighter have bed, which are meant to allow to save the game

That was scrapped

>>163040680
What do you mean? What has been scrapped about beds? You have to be at a port?

>>163040774
You don't have to be in a bed to save

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>>163040407
>suckerpunches
They do no actual damage, only shields. there's a wave in pirate swarm full of m50s with only suckerpunches. You can sit still and have them PEW PEW your ship until you get bored and decide to kill them

>pyroburst
They've got the same buggy behaviour since last patch, with projectiles passing through opponents.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5ixa0u/26_ac_swarm_weapons_passing_through_enemies/
When they DO consistently hit, yes, they do a FUCKTON of damage, physical and distortion (750/200 total). The stats here >>163036330 on the weapons tab are for a single projectile, and there are ten of them per shot.

>>163039736
OH MY FUCKIING GLOB

>>163040680
As someone that hasn't kept up with the game how is it going to work now then?

From what I can remember beds would allow you to stop your ship anywhere and go to sleep, meaning your ship/character could stay out in the middle of space while you're logged off (With the small chance that someone could find your drifting ship, rust style)

Can you just log off anywhere now and you're character will stand frozen in the ship or will you ship/character disappear while offline?

Or are to forced to find a port now before you can log off? That'd suck

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>>163040974
a mystery

>>163040813
The bed thing was a little weird to begin with. You will be able to spawn back in your ship where you stopped, right?

>>163040818
>zap shields down longrange (the pathetic distance that is long range in 2.6)
>2.5k meatshot shields-down instakill on sabre with single pyroburst

basically the equivalent on 1 shotting people with 5 APAR MDs from 7km in 2.5, cept alot easier

>>163040680
>>163040774
>>163040813
>>163040974
>>163041087
>>163041102
poast fukken proof or gtfo
http://scqa.info/?show=10FTC&episode=84&qid=3

>>163041225
Oh I thought you meant sucker-punch only.
Yeah that combo will work, but you might be better off just mounting as many pyrobursts as possible since physical damage pens shields and the pyrobursts do a ton of distortion damage anyway.
YMMV.

I don't know if it's just the netcode or the hit detection, but something in Star Marine is way the fuck off.

>>163041256
That's the most recent bit about it, I'm pretty sure. I seem to remember someone saying something about "if you don't have a bed you turn into an AI to get to the nearest port and can be intercepted and destroyed," but I don't remember if that was glorified fanfiction or something official.

>put pyroburst on herald
>boost to 1km/s
>fire pyroburst
>1-shot yourself

neat

>>163041468
The lag compensation doesn't have a good upper limit, plus the lowest ping I've ever seen was 110ms. Getting shot around a corner is real.

>>163041102
Well ships are suppose to persistent, if you park your ship on a station and fly away with your mates ship, you either had to go back and grab the ship, or pay for it to be transported to where you currently are. Beds were (Or still are, I'm not sure) suppose to let you "park" you ship in the middle of nowhere so you could log off, there have been a bunch of different information on this though, during the kickstarted phase they said it'd simply drift in space until you logged back on, then it was said autopilot would take it to the nearest port, and now it seems that your ship simply disappears while you're logged off.

Who the fuck knows anymore

Beds were suppose to be like a logoff point, if you

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Still no idea what the point of the lower deck station on the Caterpillar is, but the view is pretty nice.

>>163041595
You can easily fly in front of your own missiles. They just pass through you.

>>163041794
It's another living quarters for when the command module releases from the main body of the ship, and the console is supposed to be 'navigational control'

>>163041468
Me as someone with 40 ping stable, can definitely notice when i'm shooting people with 150 ping

keep in mind theres zero regional separation, you're playing at all times with a guy from an igloo, a guy in africa who managed to do some crazy shit with coconuts and bones, australians on windows 95, and brazilians in the many national forms they now take

>>163041738
The bed in the 350r was one of the reasons I thought it would make a good personal fighter. Maybe after the rework. Cutlass and Hornet reworks were both good.

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What's with that turret placement?

>>163041905
I'm in Washington State. Are the servers in Germany or something?

>>163042079
The blue bubble? That's the pilot seat indication.

>>163041665
>>163041905
There have been a couple of times where I've unloaded an entire clip into people, only for them to not only not die, but kill me somehow. I've also been killed by someone instantly as they round a corner. I'm in the same boat, my ping is anywhere from 40-50. God damn is it frustrating.

They also desperately need the stamina mechanic implemented. If you want to actually compete right now, you basically need to be sprinting all the time. Except the game clearly isn't designed for you to be sprinting constantly because as soon as you try to move to the side, you slow to a crawl. Actually, that's kind of annoying in and of itself. The base movement speed seems cripplingly slow. If you round a corner to find something you don't want to see, you can't pop back quickly. Your only option is to slowly walk back while getting filled with bullets. It just doesn't feel nice to play.

>>163042260
No, the dual gun mount on the bottom that makes whatever weapons are attached shoot into the front hull.

>>163042380
Holy shit. Bahahahahahaha.

>The desk model probably looks cool.

>>163042380
That's uh..specially designed to make the ship go faster by..knocking it forward with energy shots hitting its own shield. Percussive acceleration.

was it patched yet? i thought i heard a big patch was supposed to come yesterday?

i cant find anything on it

>>163042761
It's in PTU

Theres no way i can fit both my merlin and my retaliator in a single hangar is there?

>>163042380

To shoot yourself when you realize you paid money to what amounts a glorified fancy taxi. They really thought of everything.

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The 85x and Razor are total travesties. I thought the pipeline was going to make ships better?

>tfw there hasn't been a point to any of the last several ships including the Reliant Kore and Herald

>>163043248
The best textures and models in the world can't fix a stupid design.

Honestly the fact of the matter is, the game basically has enough ships right now and the ship team has fucking nothing to do while they wait for the other developers to actually make the game.

>>163043118
No. Spawn them in different hangars and switch using the option menu

>>163043248
>85x
>travesty

How

>>163019596
1/4 lost
dont give a shit because I still have 6 times more cargo left than the caterpillar
who the fuck flies a hull ship solo?
you deserve to fucking die if you do that.

>>163043393
Try reading a mere dozen or so posts above you.

>>163043393

>>163042380

>>163043532
>>163043494
So let me get this straight, the ship is a travesty because it has a single bugged weapon placement?

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Man how were the forums after the live stream? They've already either deleted or banned anyone complaining that it was an absolute travesty from what I can tell. There's a lot of links and references to other threads that lead to nowhere.

>>163043369
The thing is a lot of the ships are even done with freelancer artists, the Prowler had the majority of the work done by a freelance artist, they don't have to pay people to make more ships. They don't even have half of the ships fully done yet, and most of the ships left are fucking massive.

Even still, almost no 3d artist is JUST limited to sci-fi ship design, if they can do hard surface modelling they can do buildings or whatever so they could just have them do something else.

>>163023228
every of those guns is inferior to the old good Ak47.

CIG is really dumb in designs.

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>>163043850

>>163030305
A big part of it is that they always use a single-point flash to illuminate the subject. It washes out definition and causes semireflective surfaces to wash out into wide pale stretches. Looks creepy.

Diane Arbus was big on using SPF to make people look freaky.

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Are there as many dads on SC as Elite Dadgerous? I'd assume because kids don't really have money to spend on ships but maybe I'm wrong

>>163043948
hello cultist

>>163043850
They fired their best artist. The shitposters call him "simcard" for some reason, I don't know why. His twitter is full of cool sci-fi stuff.

https://twitter.com/el1j4h_mcneal?lang=en

Inb4 those 2 or 3 shitposters start posting a crossbow concept.

>>163043992
Yes. But they don't have a fraction of the influence the ED dads have. The retardation they spout is largely ignored, like that idiot that is complaining that he HAS to buy an Idris.

>>163043748
What are you going to do with that ship aside from taxi within a system? An Aurora LN is $15 cheaper, has 4 guns and 4 missiles, and can equip a jump drive.

>85x is a rich prick's personal launch to let everyone know he has way too much disposable income in orbit.

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How the fuck are you going to use any of the pits in the pilot seats with a HOTAS setup? Hell you can't even see half of them in most ships like the Freelancer. Elite managed to make the menus doable but I don't see anything but mouse and keyboard working for SC.

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>>163044120

THEY FIRED ELIJAH?

WHAT THE FUCK?

HE WAS LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE WITH CONCEPT TALENT

FUCK ME

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>>163043850
CoD dev pls go

>>163044437
>>163044120

Find me a singe decent thing he did for SC.

I'll wait.

>>163044284
>What are you going to do with that ship

Snub fight faggots.

>>163044362
On the KB, you hit z to go into interactive mode where wasd moves you around. One button for z and map the hat to mfd move functions.

>>163044437
>>163044120
His gun design are lame

>>163044568
Snub class racing would be cool. Kind of an entry level to faster ships.

>>163044458
shut the fuck up you piece of shit

those "guns" are WAY over designed and in the end they work all the same but "hur dur we wuz future guns"

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>>163044721
The fuck is with these ironsights? Pretty sure he just makes shit up in pimpmygun then makes a simple model of it and puts some cartoon filter on top

>>163045007
>laser plugged into a PEQ unit
>rear sight only, but mounted forward
>rear sight is obscured not only by a giant rail in front, but a ranom piece of metal all the way at the back

"""best"""

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>>163045007
>>163045128
S I M C A R D

>>163003930
SC doesn't have near enough ships this is supposed to be a MMO and their is not anywhere near enough variety yet.

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>>163045593
Wow, that crossbow is MUCH worse than all the generic 21st century tacticool weapons that CIG are working on.

>>163045705
Yeah 38 ships flight ready in 2.6 before the game has even released is a tiny amount!!!!

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>>163045128
This is a goldmine of awfulness
>permanently mounted sight
>retarded metal thingies blocking it
>magazine fed
>yet with a bullet holder
>bullet shells couldn't fit through the shell ejector

>>163045705
With all the features they want/have planned you don't need hundreds and hundreds of ships, there are already over 100 ships "done" or in concept, sure some of them are massive capital ships or variants but I don't feel like you need too many ships at release for it to be a good game.

>those 2 people who hate elijah mcneal
>every single thread with a crossbow, they get triggered

>>163046323
I'm neither of those guys and while I don't hate the guy, it don't really find most of his concepts interesting, some of them are cool though.

Not that the SC official ones are any better.

>>163046323
waiting
>>163044548

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>>163046117
>standardized rails mean they can be different sizes, right guys? rails are cool
>wtf is that magazine
>how do the bullets even get into the barrel

>>163046323
I have to admit, I've never seen someone baiting as an elijah fan before. Pretty creative.

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>>163046323
>Only two people don't like Elijah Mcneal's art
I'm sure he's a nice guy, but jesus fuck his concepts tend to look decent superficially but get more and more hideous the more you think about them. His armor, though, is goddamn atrocious looking overdesigned garbage.

>>163046757
>stock-mounted magazine
F U T U R E

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>>163046323
>But have you seen it? It's soooo awful.

>>163046469
I'm not your personal army, guy.

>>163046431
>some of them are cool though
Yeah a lot of art is hit and miss.

>>163028125
Lord, is that a CPAP mask?
Fuckin' lol.

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>>163046846
>literally just a special-needs bullpup

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Guys I just made a super sick gun for Star Citizen--it fits right in!

Hire me, CIG.

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>>163046757
>belt-fed 12-gauge
>shells are attached to each other by nothing
>wtf are ironsights
>pretty sure whatever is attached to those rails is gonna be blocked by that "ironsight"
>shell extractor apparently on the left side, say your face goodbye

Also ALL of his fucking abominations lack a handle for the ejector. How can an ameriburger have so little knowledge about guns?

>>163028313
I don't know if I love the game more or the people more.

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>>163047224
>>163047012
>>163046972
>>163046920
>>163046849
>>163046846
>>163046776
>>163046768
>>163046757

>>163046469


"...notable contributions are designing all of the hangars for the module release, various systems paintings, the style language for the Xi’An fleet, and large scale environment vistas."

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13373-Meet-Elijah-McNeal

So he made a valuable contribution to Star Citizen on top of being an excellent artist.

Looks like he did concept art for the Constellation and M50 on top of all of this.

Better a Simcard than a Retard I guess... but that's why we have >>>/vg/scg/

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>>163047616
Hey guys if something's further away from you it looks bigger, right?

>>163047616
>notable contributions are designing all of the hangars for the module release

Which were fucking terrible, and have been redone.

>>163047616
Elijah hater status: TOLDasoreass REKT

>>163043369
Where is the Buccaneer, BMM, Terrapin, Carrack (sp) or any Hull?

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>>163047616
>>163047793
These planets are fucking deviantart tier. Holy fuck that in the bottom in the middle is literally "that one" photo of Earth that's being copypasted literally everywhere

>>163047793
looks like box art for some crappy transforming plastic toy

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>>163047963
lmfao these ships look like they're as big as a continent

>>163048131
Wow, the perspective on that one is toddler-tier bad

>Two of exactly the same ship almost a continent apart
>only slightly smaller

>gets told
>starts to dump artwork and samefag to say how bad it is
Nice Star Citizen thread.

>>163048474
Gets told what, anon?

>>163048474
>implying you're not >>163047616

>>163048474
>It's only one autistic guy who disagrees with me

>>163048675
>only one
Nice try but previously in the thread I said 2-3 people who routinely dump hate on Elijah. It's like Redeemer-posting because of the 5-6 people who hate Paul.

>>163048578
I'm not that guy, he had the patience and interested to look up the guy's contribution to Star Citizen and prove you wrong. It's why he triggered you even more to cause you to spam his SC artwork.

>>163048541
Told = proven wrong.

>>163048834
>Told = proven wrong.

Yes, but what was proven wrong?

>>163048834
>claims it's someone samefagging
>responds to 3 simultaneous posts of you getting told
wew

>>163047963
Didn't this guy get fired? Elijah Mcneal?

>>163048979
Yeah that's what the last 50 or so posts are all about anon

>>163048924
Not your personal army. Maybe someone else will spoonfeed you the conversation summary. Or you can try clicking on the red links in each post.

>>163048940
>responds to 3 simultaneous
2:35
2:36
2:37
More like samefag, amirite.

>>163049114
Oh I read it all.

Didn't "prove" anything

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Like, oh emm gee developer dramaaa

didnt that guy get like, totally fired? what was his name? elijah? what a creep like omg

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>>163047616

Owl guy here: Sorry that you anons get so triggered by someone liking Mcneal's work as well as his stylistic contribution to SC.

I've enjoyed his art from the beginning, as well as the rest of his concept art in general; it has an aesthetic (organically) that appeals to me.

I can understand your gripes with his perspective as a skill, but what I can't understand is the compulsion to critique the art for the sole purpose of proving someone else 'wrong'.

If that statement sounds confusing to you, it's because attempting to explain the psyche behind /scg/'s shitposting is a therapeutic adventure in of itself.

Penultimately: Elijah was an asset to CIG, removing him was a mistake, his concept art was a valuable addition to the team and the overall style of star citizen has suffered as the result of his absence.

Ultimately: Shitposting will never cease on this general, mostly because it compels the anons who actually care about the game to come here, just to yell at the salted morons. Defending the stylistic necessities of a former CIG employee isn't 'Dev Drama', it's lamentation for their loss and feedback to what CIG is now doing wrong with there new designs. i.e. Formula 1 racecars in space.

tl;dr: stop being dumb, mcneal was chill

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>>163049848
TL;DR

His art was shit, he got let go.

Was a good move, he was probably letting the pressures of all those movie spots interfere with the quality of his work

>>163049848
You should name your picture Fu Manchew

>>163050034

I would err more on the side of 'contributions' rather than 'probably'.

To each their own.

>>163050157

Done.

>>163049848
literally kys

>>163050586
>I would err more on the side of 'contributions' rather than 'probably'.

I see you're trying to set the bar of written English at the same level as Mcneal's work!

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>>163042079
The 85x actually doesn't have quite the issue it looks like there.I still don't think there's a reasonable enough clearance between those bottom guns and the hull, but it works.

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Alright guys, calm down.

Tell me what you're going to do in the game once it's all in place? You have any ship goals or RP ideas?

>>163050959
>can't see downwards because huge centre console
>turret can't aim up

Anyone who doesn't use a fixed mount or swap out the guns for something more interesting like a camera or tractor beam on this is a dumbass.

Anyone playing 2.6 here? Did they remove boost? I don't remember reading anything about them purging boost, just unifying cruise and AB, and I don't see anything in the patch notes.

But right now, holding shift seems to be turning on my AB, which means it's totally useful for maneuvering.

>>163051579
Oh, it looks like they changed the keybinding but didn't update the keymap. Apparently boost is x now. But then where the fuck is space break?

Why the fuck do they keep changing perfectly find keybindings?

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I'm not sure what to think of the 85x. From some angles it looks fine, but from others I don't like it at all. It's probably the comically huge bubble canopy.