Dota 2 General - /d2g/

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vittu

>>162986102
who is this old man

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Xth for Zai, the savior of western dota

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is Crystal "Maiden" the most horrible title given to someone in dota land?
this "Maiden" doesnt look like a maiden to me , hell Lina the Slayer is more of a maiden compared to this slut.

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

>>162986064
Whats wrong with this dude?
I dont know any of the dota youtube personalities
The video was recommended

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>eg actually forced to play at lans that are so honeypot not even OG plays at them

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>League of Legends
>Has Chinese tournaments regularly
>Can watch these tournaments seamlessly without any lag whatsoever
>Tournaments are always high quality
>Dota 2
>Anything Chinese is a literal mess
>Always laggy
>Never good
Why is this, dotards?
It's not like it's impossible to have good Chinese events as League has proven.
Why do the Chinese give Dota the short end of the stick?

>>162986240
I don't know because literally know one cares about LPL anymore in lol. China is almost as bad as NA in league.

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>give up wisp instead of banning him and shutting down all potential wisp combos
>pick a CK when you clearly don't have a wisp on your own team
>draft visage mirana kotl
>don't pick drow despite her somehow not being banned or early picked
>try to dive an underlord who is retarded in low level fights AND has a wisp at his back
>lose

how much money was under the table dotards?

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Nyahooo doturds

>8days before Xmas

>>162986240
LoL has tournaments?

How do you get rid of LP fast? How do I abuse bots on weird servers to do that?

>>162986212
>n0lans wins 3 lans
>fails TI every time
>arteezy memes it up and wins nothing, still gets 1 mil

Also artour gets tons of royalties from valve, tshirts, streaming and contracts

Lmao @ ur life n0lans shitter

>>162986338
Avatars are against the rules

>>162986393
RTZ is still a worse carry than Notail. This isn't about money but dota skill.

>>162986393
>>arteezy memes it up


by meme it up you mean 'plays so much dota his wrists are fucked because he tries so fucking hard and yet fails every time' ?

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>>162986376
you can't do anything like this anymore. Play the games out or follow the instructions in my picture

>>162986338
This is pretty gay anon

>>162986440
Nice backpedaling brooooo
u mad bro?
arteezy makes money without lifting a finger
n0lans is reduced to sucking cock and gets nothing

get rekt kiddo don't debate me unless you want to get killed again
>>162986463
yeah u mad bruh

>>162986316
yeah, wings is such a weird team...hard to tell when they're being complete dumbasses in the draft phase or running some sort of pocket strat. 90% of the time it seems to be the former, overrated team.

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>>162986440
>RTZ is still a worse carry than Notail

>actually believing that unironically

>>162986523
>>162986504
underageb&

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>>162986523
>he honestly thinks the opposite


>rtz has been on super teams his whole life
>yet to win a non-honeypot
>notail plays with literal whos
>has won 3 semi-non honeypots

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is Phantom "Lancer" the most horrible title given to someone in dota land?
this "Lancer" doesnt look like a lancer to me , hell Sun Wukong the Monkey King is more of a lancer compared to this slut.

Rubick gets 1200 GPM if he steals MK ult and has the +60 GPM talent

Wait, someone tell me how Necro is nerfed again? all i got so far is they traded the disable buyback/damage for the cooldown reduc and buy back being base. Sadist is basically reborn into death pulse. How's that bad? i thought someone said they removed it completely to make space for that new skill thingy (that i forgot name for)

>>162986574
>>162986556
>he double posts from a vpn and two browsers

LMAO @ UR LIFE KID

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where is this team from /d2g/

>>162986574
You mean notail gets carried every single time

>miracle
>s4
>jerax
>moon
>cr1t

>literal whos

>>162986574
>honeylans won 3 honeypots
>rtz only won ultra honeypots
there fixed

>>162986612
>RTZfags are suffering from state of psychosis.
nice.

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>>162986612
H-HOW DID YOU KNOW?

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>>162986621
swedishtan sounds about right ye

>>162986621
looks like an american restaurant

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>>162986621
uzbekistan

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>>162986647
Because you and I aren't so different...

PERFECT WORLD TELECOM GUANDONG

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Did the enchantress fan fiction guy write his fic?

>>162986703
That's a Kookaburra

>>162986708
I wanna play on the US version of that server

Trump World Comcast Hugedong

>>162986635
>You mean notail gets carried every single time
>players literaly fail on their other teams
>come to og
>all of a sudden they are some of the best players in the world
>literally just woke up one day and are now winning majors where they wouldn't even qualify as a top 4 player in their postion on their previosu teams

also

>>miracle

was literally a pub player before monkey business

>>s4

exactly the type of person I am talking about, was shit tier on alliance but then found some magic potion that made him good when he joined og :^)

>>jerax

literal meme player that almost became a no name streamer after qpad

>>moon

literal hontrash that also almost became a no name streamer before OG

>>cr1t

Literal who being rotated on some random danish teams, never played on lan before OG

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>kinda want to come back into dota and play again
>remember the horrid matchmaking and community
>remember how the game is more about not letting your team tilt or throw than actually playing the game

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>>162986762
>i'll shittalk the players he mentioned, with literally no basis and pretend it's truth

Dropped

>>162986707
>>162986647
>trying so hard and accomplishing nothing
Just like your false God rtz

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>>162986762
You talking about jerax pretty much disregards that being YEARS ago, during which he improved to be the best pos 4 in the world. Nice analyst, kiddo.

>>162986762
HAHAAHH all you can do is cry whilst rtz fucks your gf

>>162986762
>talking shit about jerax
we can disregard your entire post now because you clearly have noidea what you're talking about

>>162986762
That's some fine mental gymnastic to shit talk the first 9k player and the million dollar dream coil TI champion.

>>162986820
>that being years ago

he literally wasn't even as good as he is now when he was on liquid what on earth is

>>i'll shittalk the players he mentioned

this is literally what happened in their careers

>>162986773
SO TOXIC XD AMIRITE GUISE?!

What makes visage so good now? I'm having a hard time understanding what really makes him dangerous.

After watching some Fear stream I realized how infectious is RTZ mannerism.

>>162986883
did you read the patch notes anon?

>hp and mana bar at the bottom just makes more sense
>it is redundant information you have it above your hero already
???
Are people really this fucking stupid?
Do they never click on enemy heroes to see their hp and mana in numbers?

>>162986874
rofl, I'm not even an OG hater, but implying s4 was shit after being considered the best player in the world for 2 years prior to the alliance2.0 thing, and that miracle wasn't wanted by multiple top teams is pretty funny

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>>162986394
Whatvare you gonna do about it then

Nyek hek hek hek

>:3

>>162986874
>the first 9k player


wow I wonder what he's doing now :^) Must be having amazing success where ever he is. How honestly could OG go on without him :^)

>million dollar dream coil TI champion.


Yes, then he went to shit in 2014 and was an actual trash player, was decent on secret up until ti5, and then trash again on alliance, and now all of a sudden has won his second valve event. All just happened over night ofcourse

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1k soon lads

>>162986762
>was shit tier on alliance but then found some magic potion that made him good when he joined og :^)
Jesus christ is this what n0lanfags actually believe?

Am I being baited here? N0tail is nothing but a dead weight

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>>162986912

>>162986912
I'm hopping unto the "lets try playing dota again since everything changed" bandwagon.

I'm assuming his newfound power is coming from the skill tree, or am I incorrect in this thinking?

>>162986951

could be that the game is completely based off what you draft rather than actual playing

this isnt 2011 where you have navi clean sweeping every event out of sheer skill

>>162986610
he was the most useless hero in the game, but his aghs ult was the most broken thing in the game, so yeah, removing it was pretty big nerf
in place he got significant buffs to his kit, so his strength and weaknesses are more even now and he is better hero overall

>>162986951
Maybe notail will notice your bravery and let you lick his cock

>>162986979
VISAGE:
Gravekeeper's Cloak minimum damage threshold increased from 15 to 50
Gravekeeper's Cloak now reduces all damage by 8/12/16/20% per layer.
Gravekeeper's Cloak recovery time rescaled from 3 to 6/5/4/3
Gravekeeper's Cloak now affects Familiars within 900 distance of your hero (their block is based on your stack count).
Summon Familiars cooldown reduced from 180/160/140 to 160/145/130
Familiars now have 500/750/1000 HP (instead of 3 hits).
Familiars now interact with regeneration effects normally.
Familiars no longer regenerate attack damage with Stone Form.
Familiars attack damage recharge time reduced from 15 to 2
Familiars are no longer Spell Immune.
Familiars now have 35% magic resistance.
Familiars movement speed rescaled from 380/390/400 to 430
Familiars damage per charge rescaled from 8/14/22 to 8/16/24
Stone Form duration reduced from 8 to 6 seconds
Stone Form cooldown reduced from 20 to 14

>>162986957
Hey thats pretty good

>>162986951
t. n0lans fangay

you are a massive cuck

>>162986912
>read the patch notes
Do I fucking look like a redditor to you?

>>162986995
>rather than actual playing


so its gone from 'x player gets carried every game' to 'well, actual ingame play doesn't matter that much it's mostly in the draft'

>>162986957
Congratulations
Soon you will reach mmr when 99% of gulag resides.
Dont trigger them with monkey please.

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>>162986882
It's more about other people not being able to handle their allies "toxicity".

If one ally pisses off or triggers another ally to the point where they sell their items, feed and shit then the chance of you losing is massively increased despite you not even being a factor into this whole mess.

In other words you have to not only make your allies feel good about themselves but also try and break up fights without pissing anyone off, etc.

This is dumb and I can't think of any other games that forces you to do this.

>>162986610
previously
>meh hero with pub winning ult
now
>meh hero with meh ult
dmg nerf to death pulse was pathetic, you need like 15 seconds to farm creepwave now
and his new skill is boring shit

>>162986979
his birds not dying to mean look due to meme sabre and dragon lance was the biggest buff
the lower cooldown on stone form and damage regenerating without it helps too

>>162987085
you know what would be a great addition?
Post game screen showing who muted you
Maybe even with a list of messages that were hidden from that player

>>162987017
So its not really a nerf overall? more like a balance buff?

i'm fairly certain no one likes playing visage, they all just want to feel special

>>162986957
just pick mk/slark and get to 2k by not forgetting to press buttons and trying to farm creeps.

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>this pit lord pit of malice aoe

WHAT
EBEN
TJHE
FUCKING
HELL
WAS
HE
THINKING

Why are chink tournaments always shitty?

>>162987249
honestly MK is great for low mmr cause none of these braindead retards know how to counter him

they just pick 5 melee cores and go to town

>>162987209
yes, why would you nerf a hero that isn't picked in pro games
not sure if he good enough now for that to change, but his winrate in pubs got higher

>>162987259
Pito of
>smalec smalec smalec smalec smalec smalec smalec smalec smalec smalec

:D

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The thing with new Necro is that the mek build isn't as shit anymore because of his new skill buffing the healing received.

The skill is also useful when you use stuff like salve, mango and shit.

>>162987259
+ the cast range

xD

nice game, nice patch and nice streams dotards

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why gulag haven't spawned a single good meme in last few weeks or even months

>>162987304
>honestly MK is great for low mmr cause none of these braindead retards know how to counter him

Doesn't really matter considering how OP his tree jumping shit is.
1k range, free mana cost, very low cd.

>Dota isn't a game that was designed. It's a game that just happened.
What did he mean by this?

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>>162987381
THE SEQUEL THOUGH

>>162987381
icefrog and valve does it for us, why would we even bother

>>162987310

what about this anon opinion,
>>162987143
?

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>>162987381
meow

who is the adc on eg here

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>>162987334
>lose game winning gimmick that cucked your enemy for 120 sec and prevented buyback
>gain heal buff so that 2k retards claiming necro = support are satisfied
yeah, no
he's trash now

>>162987451
sumail

>multiple prowler camps with chen
>vlads
>wraith king
thats >100% lifesteal in an aura
fuck dude

>playing MK in the low 5ks still wins every game I've been in. Only game I've seen lost was a 5stack that triple counterpicked and baaarely managed to outcarry lategame with a luna

>>162987469
Mek is not a suppor item, retard.

>>162987381
>last few weeks or even months

try the last almost 3 years

>literal slideshow

explain this dotards

>almost kill lemon key king
>heal to full with the long staff spell
xd

>>162987546
beta

>>162987549
thanks icefraud

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>>162987546
CHINA

what the fuck is this huskar doing
turn a pickoff into a 4 man wipe??
retards

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>2016
>No potion seller hero
>No knight hero

>>162987469
Old reaper aghs is the reason why Necrophos could never be buffed into viability. You'd have to be retarded to think he'd ever be allowed to see tournament play with the buyback-disabling.

>>162987670

Is Wings the honeypot team?

>>162987680
>>No potion seller hero


apparently he's called notail :^)

>>162987670
hahaha he dragged the dazzle into it with him too

>>162987680
>who is dragon knight
>who is omniknight

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>>162987661
>>162987558

Russian stream is going smooth.
It's not the game's fault, or china, it's just David "LD" Gorman not giving a shit

>>162987728
I don't believe u dude. no way perfect world isn't lagging like always.

>>162987690
>what is glimmer cape

Underlord is basically a WoW raidboss now
>YUGE hero model
>Warcraft style glowy shit all over the place
>Two "don't stand in this" AoE abilities.
>Atrophy Aura makes him very hard to kill.

>>162987304
To me he is kind of like a slark, but slark that needs just lvl 4-5 and phase to blow your supports up while having a much, much better tf and arguably a better chase. He is a fucking OP tho, has too much for to low, boundless strike shouldn't start at 200% crit damage. AND he can go both safe lane, mid and even offlane.

>>162986957
You should actually abuse offlane in 1k, esp now that it's basically almost an easy lane with shrine. Only at higher mmr people actually commit supports to zone offlaner out, at your mmr people won't do shit so you will get free farm and faster levels. With mk you can just kill any support that gets close with lvl 4.

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>>162987498
>no cute blonde submissive fuccboi to facefuck on demand
TFW

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EVERY DAY

>>162987825
what are good offlaners who can transition into carry

>>162987728
wtf I love russia now

>>162987825
>You should actually abuse offlane in 1k, esp now that it's basically almost an easy lane with shrine.

Offlane is easier than safelane now.

JUST WALK AWAY

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>ZAI

what a fucking monster

So Pit Lord is actually very relevant in pro games now that he's in captain's mode?

Gulag was wrong again.

I'm looking for good dota 2 memes in form of pictures. Can anyone deliver something that could potentially be a relevant meme for a while?

>>162987728
maybe thats because russia is much closer to china than the USA you imbecile

Looking at some old screenshots and my God is the old client so much better than the new one. Much easier to navigate and looks straight up better. I still have trouble finding what I want to find in the new client, shit fucking sucks

Reminder that EG is the establishment.

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Stand back! I have a game to ____________

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>>162988008
me too

>>162988061
silence

>>162988031
>old hero equipment window
>easy to use and obvious
>now "armory"
>can't tell whenever I have set equipped or just one piece or if I'm staring at fucking ads

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>>162988008

EVERYONE DEAD

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10 DEAD

how to spot a tryhard
NINE tread swaps on the fucking ES lul

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>>162988008
haha have this fresh from the oven :D

>>162988159
LOL yeah that's the problem, they jew'd the equipment page up with the store ads.
These games are embarrassing from wings

>>162988234
yeah lmao what a fucking tryhard it's not like he's a ti-winner playing in a lan right now no lmfao this is a pub lul

>>162988234
>being mana efficient on a str hero is tryharding

from the 3k

Is QoP good again or does she still have the problem that she loses all momentum if she dies once or twice in the midgame and essentially becomes useless if that happens?

>>162988234
3-4 boot tread swapping sounds like a nice stat.
Even 5 boots.
>+40 int
>+40str

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>Create new epic 4 teh win reddit pandering patch + numale gaymer HUD sponsored by mountain dew
>Pros hate it
>Reddit hates it
>d2g hates it
>prodota hates it
>playdota hates it
>nadota hates it
>sgamer hates it
>dev forums hate it

rmyt (Really Makes You Think)

yea and it's not as many swaps as it seems. that's only 3 cycles from str->int

>>162988234
Tryhard is when you try hard but fail.

If you win or perform well you're not tryharding.

>Losing to QOP

>>162988379
I like it though.

>>162988343
You are one of these QoP players who buys scepter first and then complains about hero.

>>162988379

please link prodota, sgamer and dev posts

>w-why won't valve give us a chance
I wonder btsniff
I really wonder

>>162987995
How can a hero who is a terorblade of an offlane be bad?

>>162987907
Money king, timbersaw, slardar can be kind of played like a carry with right talents, and slark. For slark 1k is no brainer, but still, stay back and at very least get exp if they do zone u out somehow it's ok if you dont get lasthits and gold, just wait for lvl 6-7 and then rightclick weakest hero on lane and after it just pounce, dark pact and ult, grats you got a kill, then you have a free farm with dark pact and with sb can continue killing supports and then anyone.

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>>162988159
Glad I'm not the only one who can't make heads or tails of the fucking armory.

Part of it is the shitty nu-male aluminum foil colors visual design, on top of the unergonomic layouts.

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>>162988379
playdota likes it excluding few faggots who don't even play the game.

>>162988387
witness a 6k tinker giving himself arthritis in an unranked pub just to delay the game 50 minutes on the uphill push and say that

>>162988021
besides the area - vladivastok
that's not true

why does this absolute retard huskar just waste his ult every time

why is wings so fucking shit

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>>162988513
>nipple piercings

>Win TI
>become shit.

lol

>>162988159
>>162988524

use your steam inventory, there are filters so you can search by hero
also consider shopping on the market, i dont, but i'd imagine it's cheaper

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This lag is really starting to mess with my head.
I'm getting a headache.

>>162988343
>Is QoP good again

Her 1.6 to 1.5 BAT does nothing. Sure it's good now but it doesn't change anything.

Her talent tree is underwhelming.
>Level 10: +20 Damage OR +5 Strength
Mediocre, the best one here being the +20dmg
>Level 15: +12% Cooldown Reduction OR +90 Gold/Min
Better. The one you want here is the gpm.
>Level 20: +100 Attack Range OR +200 Health
Depends, but +200 hp at lv20 isn't that exciting. Nothing amazing.
>Level 25: 70% Spell Lifesteal (1/5 for non-heroes) OR +35 Intelligence
Spell lifesteal is pretty good here. But it's at lv25.

Basically nothing significant happened to her to make her more relevant.

oh my lord just give the stream key to merlini
this is fucking unbearable

WHY IS RTZ OBSESSED WITH VENO CARRY GODDAMNET

huskar leaps onto slardar, gets stunned, slardar escapes

how fucking retarded can one huskar player be

>>162988660
>>162988675
just watch the russian stream, there is no lag at all and you wont have to hear those fucking spastic jews at BeforeTheShoa

>>162988671
>choosing anything over CDR
>especially on hero that buy shitload of stuff like orchid, veil (thats if you aren't one of those shitters who rush scepter)
hello 1k mmr

>>162988671
>>Level 25: 70% Spell Lifesteal (1/5 for non-heroes) OR +35 Intelligence
Does Spell Amp still work on QoP's ulti despite it being pure damage?
If that's the case, then you most definitely pick +35 int. Otherwise, Spell Lifesteal. Right?

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>>162988570
sure thing buddy

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There's something wrong here...

huskar walks into wall
and dies
what a fucking retard

>>162988761
>2% extra spell damage over becoming invincible during blademail active.

>>162988671
>Better. The one you want here is the gpm.
2 (two) lasthits per minute without the XP is what you get

>>162988671
>>Level 15: +12% Cooldown Reduction OR +90 Gold/Min
Better. The one you want here is the gpm.
lol

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>>162988613

>>162988793
viper looks like slaughterfish from morrowind

>>162988671
>>Level 15: +12% Cooldown Reduction OR +90 Gold/Min
>Better. The one you want here is the gpm.
HAHAHA FUCKING 'LAG

HOW ARE YOU SO SHIT AT DOTA

FUCKING KYS

lol zai with the euls slardar build. hate that shit

>critshaker in a pro game
lmao. Wings trying to meme their way to victory.

>>162988671
>The one you want here is the gpm.

Your post belongs in the trash.
Cooldown Reduction is pretty much the best thing you can get on any hero.

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if you pick gold/min talents on cores you should kys yourself

>>162988969
>>162988958
>>162988883
>>162988835
>>162988808
>>162988804
>all these idiots who fell for easy bait
ayy lmao
qop is shit btw

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>>162988969
what's so bad about it?
F-Free items??

these talents are like completely imbalanced/untested. gg gaben hire a fucking QA department with your hordes of jewgold

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>FAITH_BIAN

>>162988727
>>choosing anything over CDR

This is why you're retarded.

Let's do the math.

(CD at max rank/CD with 12% talent at max rank)
SS: 4 / 3,52 = 0,48s difference
B: 6 / 5,28 = 0,72s difference
SoP: = 7 / 6,16 = 0,84s difference
SW: = 135 / 188,8s = 16,2s difference

As you can see the only really relevant reduction is the ult reduction, but even all this factored in doesn't trump 90 extra gpm on a hero that needs items to stay relevant.
I say again, this is almost 100 extra gpm. A 400 gpm qop would jump up to 490 gpm.
Yet you claim these very tiny drops in cd will be the deciding factors? Oh please do tell me why.

Overall some of the best talent options are the increased xp, increased gpm and lower respawn times. It takes a lot for the other talent option to be superior.

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Ansswer me.
Which game modes (besides ability draft) have no effect on unranked mmr?

>faith bian is good

Ti Curse

>>162989141
faith_bian is the Chinese demon/bamboe

Doesn't 70% spell lifesteal mean that QoP ult is basically a full heal if she hits 3-4 heroes?

>>162989251
Yes, esp with octarine

>>162989123
>As you can see the only really relevant reduction is the ult reduction

The most relevant thing is that it also reduces item cooldowns, that means HEX, TELEPORT SCROLLS, FUCKING BKB, SHIVAS, BLOODTHORN.

Is this maximum meme?

Weaver and Slark roaming "supports" that both build blink and aghs? Backup cores for deathmatch dota late game.

>>162989251
>Doesn't 70% spell lifesteal mean that QoP ult is basically a full heal if she hits 3-4 heroes?

70% of the damage you deal turns into hp, what do you think it means?
You'll be healed for 329hp for each enemy hero you hit.

>>162989321
>The most relevant thing is that it also reduces item cooldowns, that means HEX, TELEPORT SCROLLS, FUCKING BKB, SHIVAS, BLOODTHORN.

All very tiny amounts.
You're too fixated over the mechanic to actually look at the numbers and that think how much it will actually change things in the actual match.

whats wrong with shadow

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>Huskar
>Countered and rendered completely useless by a 5100 gold item
When is Break going to be nerfed?

>>162989330
That's not support, that's a utility core. A core that uses his farm to help his team over focusing on killing the enemy.

QoP is stronger now just because of no boots strats lmao.

>>162989509
>you have to waste 5100 gold to counter a hero
never, hopefully

>>162989421
>All very tiny amounts.

Absolute amount means shit.
If a spell has 4 seconds base cooldown, then a 20% cooldown reduction isn't much in absolute time, but it still allows you 20% more uses in a teamfight. Going from 5 to 6 uses over a long fight can be game winning.

This is also why Octarine is a good item on heroes who spam low-cooldown spells.

>n0lans - 3 valve events
>australia - 1 valve event
>arteezy - 0 valve events
uhh dotards?

>>162989139
are you saying ability draft has no effect on unranked mmr? because it does. just play custom games.

>>162989567
For an item that's viable on a majority of heroes, and an item that most of those heroes are going to get either way, 5100 gold really isn't significant.

>>162989590

>rtard and nobrains total career losses: almost uncountable

>australian total losses on TRUE LAN: zero

>>162988671

>ignoring that 1 upgrade can have a cause/effect on others

12% CDR is roughly 45 gold/min and being more useful in fights

>>162989123
A 400 GPM QoP who gets the level 15 gold talent twenty minutes into a forty minute game will actually have 445 GPM at the end of the game. Also, you would probably farm more creeps with the CDR reduction on your farming spells, and when you get 6 slotted then your GPM talent is making you weaker than if you had the talent with combat stats. The only time the GPM talent could possibly be better is after the point where it provides more gold value than the 12% CDR is worth but before you get 6 slotted, i.e. a game that goes to 50 minutes but not to 70 minutes.

>>162989575
> then a 20% cooldown reduction isn't much in absolute time, but it still allows you 20% more uses in a teamfight.

Actually I was wrong here. 20% CDR allows you 25% more uses. 4*100 = 5*80 = 400.
So it's even better.

>>162989590
Artour and EE are both the biggest con men in the dota scene. How they are able to keep convincing teams that they weren't the problem on their previous teams is mind baffling.

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>that was the last series of the day
Wait what. I woke up just two hours ago as the EG games started.

What other series did I miss?

>>162989682
also, fun fact, those cooldown reduction talents apply to items as well as the heroes skills so it works similarly to octarine and it stacks.

>>162989701
It's 9:30 in China.

>tfw live in West Australia and am in the same timezone as china
feels good to be honest

>>162989759
Does it stack additively or diminishingly?

>>162989859
Additive. So you can have a techies with 20 second CD guardian greaves.

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>thanka u thanka u
>everyone awkwardly standing here not understanding what's going on
>they just leave 10 seconds after
yeah what an exciting day of dota two

Sumail should have memed it up completely by adding a radiance at the end
>radiance
>mjollnir
>shivas
>blademail
All with 95% spell lifesteal
Seems balanced to me

>>162989575
>If a spell has 4 seconds base cooldown, then a 20% cooldown reduction isn't much in absolute time, but it still allows you 20% more uses in a teamfight. Going from 5 to 6 uses over a long fight can be game winning.

You're naturally assuming that extra use will happen when the reductions aren't significant, that's the problem here.

>This is also why Octarine is a good item

The difference here is that Octarine reduces cooldowns by 25%, not 12%.

25% is 1/4
12% is around 1/8
It's a very big difference.

>>162989653
>>ignoring that 1 upgrade can have a cause/effect on others

I'm not ignoring it, I'm simply not letting that fact blind me to reality. That the actual reduction itself is very low. The math backs me up on this.

>CDR is bad
- d2 fucking g

>>162989759
Does it stack additively or multiplicatively?

Like say you have a 100 second spell with 20% cooldown talent and tangerine core. Which of these happens?

>100 * 0.8 * 0.75 = 60
>100 * 0.55 = 55

TriHard
fuck chink tournaments
real dee two gee bois know what's up

>>162989939
it's just straight -25%

>>162989939
Maybe you should scroll up.

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>>162989859
>>162989939
additively :)

aghs + oct + 12% talent

>>162989908
>What's better, an Octarine core or 1.5 Octarine cores?
Also, gold tick is unreliable gold which means that you'll end up losing more gold every time you die.

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>the whole LAN is three bo3s
>they couldn't just play them in one day and forced the grand finals to be on the next day instead

>>162990018
Yea, I'm not scrolling up. 5 decides which direction I scroll.

+7 INT or 4 armor at lvl 10 silencer

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>>162990020

>>162990074
armor 9 times out of 10

>>162990115
add an arcane rune

just won a 1k mmr game with offlane slardar ama

>>162989672
>A 400 GPM QoP who gets the level 15 gold talent twenty minutes into a forty minute game will actually have 445 GPM at the end of the game

Are you this dumb? For real?

I'm talking that in that point in time a QoP can have 400 gpm but with that talent her gpm jump up to 490.

>Also, you would probably farm more creeps with the CDR reduction on your farming spells

Yeah dude, a 0,84s difference on SoP makes a huge difference for farming speed. You're totally right.
This is 90 extra gpm you get regardless of what you're doing.

>and when you get 6 slotted then your GPM talent is making you weaker

Money is always good, especially now with the backpack where you can put your refresher or whatever. Not to mention buyback money.

>>162989682
>Actually I was wrong here. 20% CDR allows you 25% more uses. 4*100 = 5*80 = 400.
>So it's even better.

You people really are stupid. There is nothing practical about your numbers. A QoP will not spam say SoP 24/7, as in literally 24/7. You will use the skills when it's relevant which changes the math completely.

So the strongest cooldown reductions are sniper, legion, and techies all at 25%, with techies being the only one who can fully take advantage of it. Sniper gets it at 20 instead of 25, which means he can get benefit out of midas from it.

>tfw playing abaddon with hotd

literally goodChen

test

>the city of china

>>162990074
4

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>some people in d2g unironically thought veno's 25 ward talent was bad

>>162990168
Goodchen is still bad, though. He was bad in 6.88, and then OSFrog shit on his chest in 7.00.

>>162990164
midas is core on everyone

>>162990168
lycan is good chen now

so they turned sniper from a shit carry into a shit rapier aghas buyer that gets killed by blademail spam

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>>162990164
>25% cooldown on Legion
>taking that when you can take the other talent which can literally let you have +1000 damage in a game

>>162989938
>>CDR is bad

Nowhere did I state this. I said that the numbers are too low to be relevant enough to trump the +90 gpm.
It helps to actually read.

>>162990037
>>What's better, an Octarine core or 1.5 Octarine cores?

Your statement is wrong because it would be closer to 0,5 (50%) and not 1,5 (150%). But even that isn't accurate.

There is a huge difference between 1/8 and 1/4.

>>162990214
KANG can 1 shot those wards

>>162990268
Maybe they are same people that choose the 120 rot dmg on Pudge at lv 25

>>162988525
There's like 3 literal whos on playdota that like it, the rest are negative and/or uninstalling entirely.

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>>162989990
>chink tournaments
Was there ever even a single enjoyable to watch chink lan? They're always awkward as fuck with its terrible production, they're always being hosted on some 3rd party chinese stream sites that are being restreamed by BTS so lol no crowd sounds, they're always filled with insufferably long breaks and obnoxious on-stage ads. The dota itself can sometimes salvage the disaster, but you might as well just watch an online tournament.
A shame that we have literally zero connection between our scenes though, some of the chinks seem p cool

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>>162990141
i can't be bothered testing that, but the fact of the matter is, since it applies to items as well as spells, there is no question that the mini-octarine talent is far superior to a small amount of extra GPM, anyone who thinks otherwise is fucking sub 4k trash, the only people that benefit from the GPM bonuses are supports since they dont get farm priority.

>>162990163
A QoP will spam SoP when fighting an enemy. So CDR will often lead to more uses in that case.
But don't focus on SoP. The big things are BKB, teleport scroll and bloodthorn/hex.

qop needs less manacost on blink
like 20/25/30/35 so her farming and ganking early game becomes easier
increased manacost on later levels because at that point she isnt as mana dependant
hell, even 20/30/40/50 would be a good buff since it stays at lvl 1 for quite some time

>>162990268

legion is a shit hero and no amount of damage can fix it

sorry pal, shes an ability draft *4 steroids* melee hero with nothing to add in teamfights and split pushes.

>>162990390
her heal can purge

>>162990338
>since it applies to items as well as spells, there is no question that the mini-octarine talent is far superior to a small amount of extra GPM

So using your logic you would pick it even if it was a 0,5% reduction.
Also 90gpm is not a "small" amount. Trying to belittle it by claiming that it's just 2 extra last hits marks you as a powerful idiot.
This is extra gold you get no matter what you're doing.

>>162990414

its her best spell for sure. the thing is, mass healing/saving heroes+mobility/survivability items is more important than removing 1 second of a stun or slow

>>162990390
>legion is a shit hero
Have you not seen S4 demolish teams with it

Fucking faggot retard

>>162990358
>A QoP will spam SoP when fighting an enemy. So CDR will often lead to more uses in that case.

That is assuming that the reduction will actually result in more uses most of the time (as in enough to matter), which really isn't the case.

>But don't focus on SoP. The big things are BKB, teleport scroll and bloodthorn/hex.

Several assumptions are made here as well.

The gpm upgrade is consistently good. The cd talent will most of the time not change anything as to how the match turns out.
You don't want something that when the planets are aligned will be good, but something that is consistently good.

Level 10: +125 Health OR +25 Attack Speed
Level 15: +30 Damage OR +8 Strength
Level 20: 10% Cooldown Reduction OR +100 Attack Range
Level 25: 30% Lifesteal OR +175 Spark Wraith Damage

which of these are good on arc warden? Should you pick the cooldown reduction over the 100 attack range or no?

>>162990447
>Also 90gpm is not a "small" amount.
it's literally 900gold in 10 minutes if you don't die in the process
a faster blink cd will save you in fights

just stop arguing about something you're so wrong about I'm not even part of this discussion thus far but not acknowledging how CDR is good on qop is being a cretin
qop builds tons of active items, the faster blink is insane by itself rest of the skills are just extra

and you can argue about "only" scream being relevant for farming but it isn't, a faster blink & tp means lot of movement like it or not

>>162990447
extra gold doesnt mean shit in this patch you literal fucking mongoloid, everyone gets items for free with bounty runes everywhere, this meta focuses heavily on teamfighting, and any advantage in a teamfight is going to win you the game, a CDR on already low CD abilities gives you just that much more of an edge.

but by all means, continue being dogshit at the game and living in the past metas of farming for 50 minutes.

Is radiance viable on Dark Seer yet after being buffed again?

Also, what if they started making more items work differently during night/day? Like radiance could deal more damage during the day, shadow blade could have more duration during the night, sange and yasha could grant more movespeed at night, and solar crest has more blind/evasion during the day.

>>162990447
>So using your logic you would pick it even if it was a 0,5% reduction.
What a stupid fucking argument when this is not the case.

Kill yourself retard faggot backtracking numale cuck.

>>162990659
I bet people will continue picking radiance on fucking alch. SHHIEEET

>>162990603
>You don't want something that when the planets are aligned will be good
nvm not buying bkb linkens lotus etc anymore
it only need the planets to align right never useful

Thoughts on the new Negrophos?

I like his new ability a lot. It's the sort of brawling ability he really needed. Sadist being rolled into Pulse also makes you feel really powerful on lane now. You can spam Pulses way earlier. Also the heal increase on ghost shroud makes Mek/Greaves so good on him now, I don't think they're optional anymore.

The lowered damage on Pulse is noticeable and hurts, I've been getting Veil to counter that a bit and so far it seems to work out. Overall the hero feels stronger than before. What are you guys thinking?

>>162990447
>Also 90gpm is not a "small" amount.
It's literally fucking nothing.

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>cooldown reduction is bad
the dota 2 gulag

>>162990608
cooldown reduction is a godsend according to /d2g/. YOU MUST WORSHIP THE COOLDOWN REDUCTION NO MATTER WHAT

>>162990738
he's pretty good desu
same goes for lycan I understand why they're not in CM anymore because of how strong they are in the hands of a competent player

>>162990608
Attack Range is pretty good on Warden

>>162990738
My problem with the ghost ability is that necrophos already builds a ton of armor and is more lacking in the HP department.

>>162990608
100 Attack Range isn't bad if you go full rightclick AW.

If you build lots of active items to abuse with tempest double you should go CDR.

>>162990608
>which of these are good on arc warden?

Most of those are situational.
The only one that isn't situational is the lv25 one. It's a nobrainer to take the lifesteal there.

>>162990616
>it's literally 900gold in 10 minutes if you don't die in the process
>a faster blink cd will save you in fights

Yeah, I can see that 0,72s difference saving me consistently tons of times.

>just stop arguing about something you're so wrong about

You and the other idiots can't even back up your arguments with sound reasoning. In fact you keep getting the match wrong and make some really dumb assumptions like how you factor in say SoP to be used 24/7 will result in more uses in a match.

If you have so much trouble actually proving why it's so superior with facts and reasoning then get the hint.

But if you want to adamantly stick with the cd reduction then by all means do so. Please make a note out of each match that talent was a gamechanger for you compared to the times it was not.

>d2g doesnt even know that CDR works on items

>>162990608
depends on what you're facing really
if they have tons of burst/lockdown hp at 10 if not you may get away with IAS
same for 15, dmg is good but you need to be able to survive or it's useless
both CDR and range are good on the hero, depends on your build and how the game goes
I'd pick lifesteal over spark

>>162990810
How the fuck does nuLycan play? Do you jungle? do you offlane with bottle+talon?

Why do so many people get 10% lifesteal on Slark?

>>162990447
900 gold per 10 minutes
if 12% cd reduction gives you 1 kill or saves your life one time, its about the same gold
however, 12% cd reduction could also lead to you winning a FIGHT and granting an objective, which isn't as measurable but it sure as hell is game winning.
yes, if its a passive game and theres not much farm to go around and you expect the game to drag for 20-30 min/have to extend the game in order to win, then yes +90 gpm is probably the better choice, but cd reductions is huge on any hero

>>162990336
>Was there ever even a single enjoyable to watch chink lan?
Newfag forgot the DAC.

>>162990906
free vlads. Slark already gets infinite agi(armour and damage)from essence shift

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Reminder to play Carry Slardar and give people the slippery fish dick

>35% chance bash on a Tanky AF fish with free attack speed and killer abs

Good fucking luck nerd

>>162990993
its shit tho
slark doesnt need substain

>>162990991
the fact that EG won it probably killed their dota spirit and they'll never invest in another tourney that can rival a major again

Well it seems that I'm against wasting my time on the idiots of /vg/. This just reminds me of the times I argued with the idiots here over how linken+manta is terrible on medusa but you people kept telling me it was amazing for years. Hilarious.
But keep blogposting about how X and Y is broken and how your teams are shit then.

>>162990685
>What a stupid fucking argument when this is not the case.

Except you people keep comparing it to Octarine and not even looking at the actual numbers, just saying what it affects.
Brilliant reasoning right there.

>>162990735
I'm saying that the times when that cd reduction will actually result in something gamechanging will not happen as often as you seem to think.

>>162990738
Overall the hero is better, but you need to play him slightly differently now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVespwH1OAc

it hurts bros

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>>162991074
One day our King will return, and is retribution will be apocalyptic

Added Scepter to Sniper. Assassinate is now a ground targeted spell with 400 AoE. Upon cast, it locks onto the targets in the area, and after the channel period launches a 2.8x critical strike and procs headshot on the player-controlled units in the AoE. (only affects visible heroes/illusions)
Level 10: +4 Mana Regen OR +15 Attack Speed
Level 15: +20 Shrapnel DPS OR +200 Health
Level 20: +8 Armor OR 25% Cooldown Reduction
Level 25: +100 Attack Range OR +4 Shrapnel Charges

If you get the aghs, mana regen, cooldown reduction, and octarine you will get a 5 second cooldown ult that has 2.8x crit. Slap a rapier or something on that and you're good to kill people from 3000 range. Sniper is literally a sniper now

>>162989509
break isn't really the problem
purging his quas is a problem

And theres no good items for him to build
Int has lots of nice utility items that allow them to stack int
What does str have? HEART?

The player was playing fucking trash though, so I wouldn't say too much about it when he's wasting his satanic + Has an AC

quick d2g
would you rather have
a 22s cd scythe of vyse + a 48s cd bkb + a 171 refresher

or

a FREE (that's right, FREE!) atos by the end of the game?

it's a tricky one I know take your tike

reminder to only build stat items and midas guys
variance is bad. situational items are bad.
don't buy basher, don't buy butterfly, don't buy mkb, mjollnir or crit
you need to stars to align for them to work

>>162991221
>What does str have? HEART?
Halberd you fuck. It's core on Huskar.

>>162991237
DID YOU SAY FREE??
I never turn down something free!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S1LO_9_1p8

>>162991359
Would you suck dick for free?

test

>>162991418
only if its feminine like the one fuTA has

>>162991218
>blade mail
??????

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>>162991237

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>>162991480
>>162991480

>>162991534
What a fucking weirdo

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>>162991237
FOR FREE??

thinking of picking up dota

how is 7.00?

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>>162991578
>Thinking it's weird to have INFINITE eggs that are also FREE

Hows your protein anon? Lacking?

fun fact if you ever dont skill cdr you actually have your account flagged

>>162991058
>the fucking linkens manta meme was ONE GUY
jesus christ kys yourself

>>162991314
stay a goyim. Don't come begging to me when I flash you my 1000 gpm as you get outfarmed by peruvians/russians/pinoys

>Watch a friends ability draft game
>Dude playing naga siren with no illusions
>Building radiance

Some people should not be allowed to play this game. She had corrosive skin, firefly, riptide and death pact.

>>162986102
why the fuck 28 is considered old and dad-age in electronic sports™ when in real sports there are people in their 30s even 40s playing? even at football there are goalkeepers in their late 30s
but when it comes to video games, suddenly everyone who is over 25 is a dad

>>162991690
Dude guide lmao

>>162991058
please stop wasting your time with idiots here
go talk with other amazing players about this game elsewhere

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literally EVERYONE knows that manta + linkens medusa is trash

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>>162991118
>TI7
>China VS America
>amidst rising diplomatic tension between china and USA due to the trump administration the world is looking at this Dota match to see which nation is superior
>China up 3-0 in a BO7 final
>America has their last pick but their draft looks completely countered
>TOBI: "OH NO THE AMERICAN CUNTS ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME DRAFT AS BEFORE LETS SEE IF THEIR LAST PICK IS SHZVEN"
>GODS: "Oh yeah the chinese draft is so superior this game is over their thick asian penises are just to much for our soft plump white assholes"
>The last pick shows up on the big screen
>Chinese fans are screaming in the stadium and fainting all over the place
>Chinese citizens that are watching online or through national TV are starting to devolve into apes and going crazy
>TOBI: "OH MY GOD IS THAT THE NEW WRAITH KING SKIN?"
>Gods is speechless as his white outerlayer begins to chip away and a yellow monkey starts screeching into the mic
>Amerikeks in the audience start shooting the ramping china fans
>Fluff who was there to finally put an end to dota is hailed in as a national hero as he single handedly puts down over 500 chimps
>America proceeds to win 4-3 while taking Skeleton king every single game, the chinese team refuses to ban him due to orders from higher up telling them that they have to overcome the American hero
>WWIII is settled with dota and Trump, backed by PPD proceeds to ring in a true era of world peace

>>162986754
I'll make you suck my kookaburra slut

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>>162991660
Rush midas

>>162991756
it's because they could be the actual fathers of the target audience of e-celebs

>>162991756
because reaction times are shot and you only get a few years before you have a huge adderall tolerance (esports is rife with it)

>>162991784
lmao
OG will plough both China and America.

>>162991756
bullcucks fans are 12 years old. You could be their dad if you are 25 desu

>>162991756
E-Sports (the Hammer on Normies) are more competitive than chasing an inflated pig bladder around.

is it okay to play a carry if you're intending to keep your apm low?
My mouse makes alot of noise and my family dislikes it when I play because of that

>>162991902
>OG won 2 major but still btfo by some pinoy

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>>162991904

>>162992009
exactly what I'm talking about there.

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>you live in a world where you will never marry Soe

Why even live?

>>162991904
outside of twitch meme spamming he is a good streamer though. make some good plays, no shit music, picture quality is great

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are we watching bulldog or sing

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Is streaming the only way to enjoy the game after the complete LeL-ization?

Doesn't help that no previously cancerous heroes were nerfed and Obongo won't be nerfed in a while.

bulldog

>>162992009
its based how 4chanian twitch is these days

monkey king is some real operating system frog shit