/fhg/ For Honor General

1st for ded game

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>>162946038
they should have given more invites

>>162945317
>>162946073
I wish he wasn't bottom tier

anyone in europe want to go for a couple of matches

>>162946393

Ive been raping people with him, Duel and multi. Last duel I did guy called him OP.

can you do a private brawl? me and my 3 friends wanna do a 2v2

>>162946393
>bottom tier
>for honor
dude, there is no bottom tier, its all on you if you suck, conqueror is a cucked version of what he used to be and im still fucking shit up
>>162946992
>group
>add friends
>custom match
>set up however you want
>damage, rounds,map
>play

>>162947041
>alpha conqueror
;_;7

I love how there is nothing you can do against someone running away.

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>the knights are getting BTFO on the map
so as expected everyone is playing the japs and savages

>game actually crashed as I'm losing in a duel
>other guy is going to think I ragequit

Fuck this p2p shit.

>>162947459
Stay strong, brother.

>>162947459
Profligates all anon, they'll die the final death soon

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>>162947416
or dashing backwards 24/7

>>162947459
>>162947489
>>162947514

>Deud vult fags

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>>162947657
>snownigger fags
>weebfags

>>162947416
The classes with good dashing attacks can punish it if they don't have a ton of sprint speed gear or something
Valk was the best at it before, I haven't tried it after the nerf though
Peacekeepers dodge forward heavy has enough range that it catches people really well, but you have to enter locked stance for it

>>162947657
>japs and savages mad that their women got PLATED

Man i get angry anytime I die to a peacekeeper. They just annoy me so fucking much

>>162947459

Patience, friend. The Knights will have their day.

I really wish every class could be gender-swapped instead of some. Peacekeeper looks really fun but I just can't feel like a cool warrior when I'm playing a girl.

>>162947601
>dash backwards
>leap forward with a heavy
>teleports behind you
Oni is literal double nigger trash tier.

>>162948234
>Large muscle jap girl Shungoki

>>162948146
What I do against them is poke with lights until they try doing dodge attacks and then I parry those.

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so is anyone buying this shit, mixed feelings, sure siege and steep are great, and both the alphas I played were fun

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>>162948436
yes?

>>162948146
Parry the forward dash attack, it always hits top
Mash light when you think they're going for a grab, don't bother trying to counter it, it doesn't work reliably enough and just hitting them is better anyway and mostly risk free since pretty much none of them actually use their deflect

what does the green icon under a players name mean before a match?

>>162948831
I'll probably buy it.
Duel Mode is fun enough and doesn't suffer from P2P if it ends up being that way.

>>162948931
>Parry
And then what? They nerfed Parry so it sends the opponent flying like 5 meters backwards to safety, so you can't follow up.

>>162948932
Conncection strength?

>>162948831

Honestly I wasnt expecting to be so into this game.

If they fix the issues with the current beta by the next beta its a definitely an almost buy for me.

All I need is the gameplay fixes and conformation if there will be new factions for the DLC

>>162948146
The faggots who jumped on PK bandwagon because the Orochi got nerfed a bit are easy to kill but anyone who possess an ounce of skill and knows the most basic moves of the PK or Naginata Cunt will rip you to shreds if your parry timing isn't pixel fucking perfect. I hate them because i know they'll become FOTM the second the game comes out and will dominate the meta for months.

It's been years since a game made me as angry as this does.

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>>162948931
>all these Assassin classes doing their forward dash attacks at me
>I'm playing Warden

>>162948831
At the moment, no
I was hype as fuck for it, but unless they make some significant improvements its not worth 60$
If they announce dedicated servers or something that'll change, but at the moment pretty much only duel is consistent enough to care about, and the game isn't deep enough for nothing but 1v1 to be worth full price.
It depends on how the open beta is I guess. Some netcode improvements and a few gameplay tweaks to make the 4v4 modes more interesting might be enough.

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>>162949202
dont forget
>they keep doing UP attacks

>>162949071
no, it was this logo thing, a green dot with these things on the sides
im asking because it exaclty wasnt his connection

>>162949063
It varies by weapon length.
Longer weapons get pushed back farther.

With assassins most if not characters are guaranteed a guard break followup.

For characters that get pushed back further you can, for example with Warden do Overhead Light xx Shoulder Charge (which can be cancelled into guard break)

>>162949451
probably a champion status, think of it like going gold in warthunder (bonus XP, more loot,...)

>>162949451
That's the VIP shit you can buy with gold. You get bonus +25% exp, and give +10% exp to your teammates, and get a boost in scavenged loot at end of match. Costs 2,000 steel.

>>162949556
that explains it, never saw it before

>>162949063
It depends on the class. Its not a free punish, but it is a free mixup at least most of the time. Heavies can reach pretty often, or you can dash forward into a feint or guard break or something
And even if you don't get anything off of it, it completely cancels their momentum and effectively removes their only real initiation from range, everything else they can do is short as fuck

Does the NDA cease after the test concludes? Or are those who play bound to not release video at all?

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>>162948861
Yes indeed

>>162949690
5 years

They better fix the delay on mouse/keyboard. Unresponsive piece of trash game.

>>162950085
git gud

>>162950085
>playing with kb+m

>>162950310
>being a controller sub-human

>>162950382

I am a console peasant, and happy that way. Not the same guy.

>>162950382
>playing 3rd person action games with a KB&M
no anon you are the sub-human

>>162945317

Can you chain a move after headbonk?

I am having serious trouble figuring out what to do after that move. The enemy is always out of the hit distance.

>join a skirmish in progress
>3 dudes with a fucking clantag and what I assume is a random player
>they're just sitting in the midfield killing baby soldiers in between zerging any of my teammates
>lose
>next match, dueling the random dude and nearly kill him
>he starts running away as his lawbringer buttbuddy charges me from behind
>host who was on my team leaves till the game blows up

Do people get off on just ganging up? It's nothing but hectic and more often than not you end up taking more damage than you can deal because one or all of you are feeding the guy revenge. Plus these losers had 10+ kills apiece and must have had people quitting constantly. How is it even fun?

>>162950382
>playing 3rd person action games with a KB&M
no anon you are the sub-human

>>162950724
Your best bet would be his zone attack (Heavy+Light) but it's pretty slow and takes up a lot of stamina.

If you headbutt them into a wall you can maybe get some better pressure.

Where to you buy the VIP thing for extra loots?

>>162950990
profile

>>162950990
why would you want to

>>162950807

I can't speak for others, but ganking with a Lawbringer would feel wrong to me. I'm an honorable player by default and I'd feel like an asshole doing that to someone.

>>162951278
>impaling your enemy's anus with your big iron spike
The law is rough

>>162951278

You're a hero, sir.

>>162951278
>lawbringer
scumbag

>>162951443

Not him, but I'm planning to main the Lawbringer. How is he scum?

>>162951278
Stab in the ass? That's pretty savage, Christ.

>have an epic, close duel
>final round
>cathedral
>the guy steps into the geiser and dies in literally a second after round start
>he alt+f4s
Jesus christ the salt in this game is going to be delicious.

>>162951969

I'd quit too. Have a good battle, come to respect your opponent, die like a bitch in the final round before the fight even starts. The shame would be too great.

>>162951609

I think that people are being salty about the constant halberd rush spam.

>>162952160

Ah. I'm not going to play like that, so I'll probably suck and die a lot.

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>>162951969

>fight on a pier
>shove guy in the water
>JESUS CHRIST DO YOU HAVE ANY HONOR I COULD HAVE PUSHED YOU IN THE WATER AT ANY TIME BUT I DIDN'T

Anyone got warlord tips? Last time I asked for valk tips I became walking death.

Warlord seems fun

>>162950718
>>162950818
Hivemind

>>162952569
Hold the full block button then press R.

>>162952378
>be valk on the pier
>just waiting crouched with my charge loaded to see if he is stupid enough to come
>he knows what im doing, he's creeping in carefully 1cm/s
>release the button when comes into range
>he dodges too late and falls into the water
>"YOU FUCKING CUNT"
I love this game.

>>162945317
Test tomorrow

>>162952639
thx will let you know how next duel goes

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Is there a voice chat in-game? I have wondered if could play some stupid taunt sound through virtual audio cable for maximum saltiness.

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>like one execution better than the other
>it gives less health

>>162953436
Do they actually give different amounts of health? I've never noticed.
I did think it was weird that they take such different amounts of time to complete.

>game feels best with a controller
>guard direction and guard break both use the right thumb
>can't adjust direction and react to guard breaks at the same time
>no button rebind or alternate layouts

why

>>162953597
Yeah, it's because some take more time than others

>>162953773
Fucking this, i would rebind it to press RS and problem would be solved

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>decide to try 1v1 duel mode
>get an opponent of close skill, he usually beats me but almost every round is very close and it's almost always 2-3 or 3-2
>we compliment each others' plays and give advice on how to fight vs our specific class
>part amicably after a decent bit of fighting

Is this mode the secret, comfy place where people go to have fun and not to rage and be salty? What the fuck have I been missing?

>>162954748
Its literally the ultimate test

>>162954748

Duel mode is objectively the best mode. You'll hack through the usual number of scrubs, but you'll eventually find that perfect opponent.

>>162955061
Nobushi nerf when?

>>162955235
She doesn't really need one.

>>162955061
How do you do the kick?

>>162955280
X after hidden stance.
X after light attack on hit.
X after heavy attack on block or hit.

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>>162955280
>>162955441

>>162955598
>>162955441
Neat

>>162955061
So it's not possible to outrange the stab? That fucking sucks.

>>162955705

The stab does have range and is shorter than you think

>>162956242
No, i mean roll back when she kicks you which would be my first instinct.

All valkyrie and orochi players plz play in traffic

>>162956397
Valkyrie literally got everything nerfed today if you can't keep up now you're just bad.

Same goes for Orochi.

>>162956451
Oh yea let me just keep up with 500 stabs a second, an unstoppable guard break combo , poison and bleeds

How many crutches do you faggots need?

>>162956451
Did she? How?

Any anons up for some 1v1'ing?

>>162956720
- Basic Light Attacks
o Range reduced by 0.75m
o Recoveries increased by 100ms

- Basic Heavy Attacks
o Range reduced by 0.25m
o Start up increased by 200ms
o Start-up Feint cancel timing delayed by 200ms
o Start-up Shield Crush cancel timing delayed by 200ms
o Recoveries increased by 100ms

- 2nd chained Light Attacks
o Start up increased by 100ms
o Recovers increased by 100ms

- Shield Crush
o Start up increased by 100ms
o Miss Recovery increased by 100ms
o Removed connection into Chained Light Attack from Recoveries

- Pouncing Thrust
o Range reduced by 0.6m
o Damage reduced from 20 to 12 pts

- Hunter’s Strike
o Damage reduced by 8pts

- Shield Tackle
o Max Charge Start up increased by 100ms
o Max Charge Miss Recovery increased by 100ms

- Shoulder Pin
o Costs 12 stamina

>>162956618
Show me one player who can consistently pull off the bleed and i'll show a player who fully deserves to win.

Kensei is the only respectable weeb prove me wrong

>>162956979
so anyone wtih the ability to spam mouse click?

>>162957779
>not wanting to drink with shoguki

How do you counter the Shugoki's rush-backbreak? I can't hit him out of it or block it.

>>162957779

I mean Nobushi might be a nice quite jap girl

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>>162958037
Dodge maybe???

Valk is STILL super op

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>>162958037

>>162957779

Kensei is the real samurai who didnt train in bullshit meme ninja school

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>>162957779

>Kensei players

Got 1 invite left, anyone need it? About to uninstall, not having as much fun as first beta

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>>162958583

>Warden players

>>162957858
Yes, spam spacebar to get the parry on an overhead attack. Why don't you do that and let me know how that went for you?

>>162958583
Kensei and Peacekeeper and Orochi and Naginata Cunt.

I think I learned too many chatacters

I cant play any of them well anymore

What the hell

>>162959005
>parry
>spacebar

>>162959347
they all play basically the same

parry properly and do guard breaks and you will win

>>162959101
Excuse me, I'm a peacekeeper and the kind of person that only play cute girls, not some cosplayer weeb.

>>162960261

Peacekeepers a slut

>>162952160
>block left
problem solved

>>162956316
No, the followup after kick is guaranteed

>>162955251
>:^)

>>162960452
If you think she needs a nerf you're probably a mashing idiot.

>>162960497
no I usually end up killing Nobushi's but her range is ridiculous with the bleed she inflicts. She doesn't need to be nerfed into the ground but she has a literal invincibility move and bleeds you from afar.

She's like the peacekeeper, she only needs a tiny tweak or so.

peacekeeper is kind of hard to use when everyone has 300+ ping

How the fuck do you fight the agile characters in this game? So sick of losing to peacekeepers nad nobushis

>>162959405
The bleed only works with the spacebar. You don't parry it with RMB or LMB.

>>162961070
occupy space with lights and be ready for the dodge attack, if you're ready it's pretty easy to parry

>>162961070
I get fucked pretty hard by lawbringer memecharge.

>>162961269
Yea but what does lawbringer do after that its impossible to keep up

can peacekeeper dodge/parry the unblockables?

Coliseum map when?

>>162959405
Valk parries that attack by dodging into the enemy, with spacebar, and has to follow up with a heavy.

>>162961610
where would the sick outplay ledges be then??

>>162961443
dodge, yes
parry, yes
deflect, no (i think at least)

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Knight > samurai > viking
The 3 dominion maps, I hate and I'm sick of the viking map.

>>162961690
Why can you not break out of peacekeeper
grab?

Why is valk still pantheon from league?

Why is it impossible to 1v1 berserker

Why does ubisoft have such a hard on for fast agile characters?

>>162962168

You ever play Siege same thing there

1speeds are cancer

>>162962241
One day they will nerf ash.....one day

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>tfw it's fucking DIO voicing the weebcucks.

>>162962525

NANI?

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>>162961992
>ywn kick a faggot viking into a lion pit and watch him get shredded into bits

>>162962604
MUDA

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>>162962525

Dont fucking lie to me is it actually Dio for the jap dub?

>>162962785
>162962785
maybe in the dub, but one of the weebs ( kensei, maybe? I can't be sure) is in the english version.

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>>162962934

>Kensei
>Dio

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>Never won a battle the first 10 or so games.
>Switch to Raider.
>Suddenly bodies are piling up.

Another one.

>>162962003
im assume you have parry and deflect backwards on this
parry is just having normal guard up, deflect would be the dodge into special the peacemaker has

>>162963452
jesus christ fantasy armor is ugly

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>300 points above anyone in the game

Lawbringer is some fucking meme magic shit.

>>162963550
Im trying to get gud with this guy but Im spliling spaghetti so hard when it comes to parrying

>>162963664
if you run, they chase you.

There, I fixed your problems.

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I really don't understand this autism.
>I want 1v1s
>but instead of playing the dedicated 1v1 mode I will play 4v4
???????

>>162964009
It's just kids whining man.
FH devs are actually pretty keen at sorting through the shit when it comes to suggestions.

>>162964080
>FH devs are actually pretty keen at sorting through the shit when it comes to suggestions.
What makes you say that?

>>162963731
the fuck does that have to do with parrying?

>Trying berserker
>Apparently has an endless light combo
>Even after I land a light the next one seems so slow and looks like a first attack
What's the trick is that really how his "combo" works?

>>162964009
The game incentivizes gang kills in the form of double/triple kill renown bonuses. Any more than 2 people and the system becomes trash.

Revenge should scale offensively with how many enemies are within range, but keeping the defense component the same, because you are lucky if you get even a single hit out in a 4v1 with how many faggots spam guard break.

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>peacekeeper stealth is kinda usually
>have to sacrifice an even better passive for it
If I could trash the level 2 abilities for it I would, they're all shit.

>>162964246
memecharge those fuckers to death.

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>>162964684
useful*

>>162964169
Judging by the balancing from previous alphas nothing really has gotten nerfed that didn't deserve it.

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>>162964832
but anon
orochi still exists
Seriously I get fucking ptsd flash backs at this point. He could be the worst character in the game and I would still physically cringe upon seeing my duel opponent picking orochmeme

are upgradeable control zones in the game yet? or is that T1 skill useless.

>>162965359
I think lawbringer's tier 1 only has to do with how fast you capture points, not that they're upgradable. I could be wrong though

>>162960497
>faster attacks than valk and much longe range
>can do shitfucktons of damage just from the kick stab inflicting bleed
since valk got nerfed nobushi is next in line cause that piece of shit is just as bad

What is the point of conqueror ability? It already take 2 seconds to capture a base, make it 1 second? It should take like 30 seconds.

>>162964987
im fighting nothing but orochis in 1v1's and i hope that i was exaggerating
i can count the times ive fought memekeeper,lawbringer or fatman or fucking any class that isnt warden or orochi with one hand

>>162964009
On one hand he's a whiny faggot
On the other, it is a problem with those game modes. They need to modify the objectives somehow so that running around as a group and gangraping everyone you find isn't always the best option.
And reviving could totally be toned down a bit, its pretty ridiculous that there's no penalty for how fast it is. I've had matches where I revive the same guy 3 times before he has to respawn, sometimes in the middle of group fights. Its pretty impossible to lose if you can get more revives off than the enemy and it makes games really snowbally because all it takes is a small lead to start reviving people and then it becomes insurmountable quickly. I'd like if there was a way to coup-de-grace people. Even if it just cut the revive timer down to 25% or something, which is still a pretty decent amount of time, it would make it a lot less annoying to finish someone off with a light and have to leave them to go help someone else knowing one of their teammates is just going to run up and completely undo all your hard work.

Or maybe just make them revive at 50% hp or something instead, so at least dying and getting revived isn't better than winning but taking damage.

>>162965643
>They need to modify the objectives somehow so that running around as a group and gangraping everyone you find isn't always the best option.
but if one team is running around as a big group and the other team just caps the two objectives they're not on then they win.

>>162962134
Knight > Viking > Samurai (Except Kensei)

>>162960497
>>162960641
>>162965471

Nobushi is some hot bullshit. I've been dueling this Nobushi for the past hour as different classes - Warden, Conqueror, Lawbringer, Peacekeeper, Shugoki, even as Nobushi.

Nobushi can guardbreak you and then immediately follow up with a heavy attack from any angle and it will land. No other class (at least from the ones I've played) can do this. I guardbreak and will queue a heavy attack but he (and any other class I assume) can ready their guard in time to meet the attack.

Additionally, Nobushi's spearkick ability can be followed up with any of her quick bleed stabs and you can't dodge or block these attacks.

It's absolute fucking bullshit that Nobushi can guarantee hit you with a heavy attack for only guardbreaking. Every other class you at least have to guardbreak the enemy into a fucking wall.

Also almost all of her attacks are extremely fucking fast and she has good range and tracking. This cunt is fucking OP

>>162966114
Nobushi and Peacekeeper are next on the chopping block.

>>162966114
A lot of classes can confirm heavies after guard break, probably the majority of them can.

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>>162966270
Peacekeeper is fucking fine.

>>162966114
Kensei can confirm heavy after break.

>>162966292
>>162966405

Nobushi's heavy damage is stupid huge, and getting rewarded with that after just pressing X is bullshit.

Kensei also has less speed than Nobushi while she has his reach on top of bleeds and more mobility. She's fucking broken

>>162966684
Guard Breaks are very easy to tech.
Stop being bad.

>>162966343

HAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHA

>Unbreakable grab that bleeds
>super sanic fast
>Can dodge miles away from you and to you
>Attacks at the speed of light

no she is far from fine

>>162966343
Sure, just like the Orochi was in the last 3 test phases.

>>162966786
>unbreakable
wrong
>attacks at the speed of light
wrong

>>162966786
the grab is just like any guard breaker though. you can counter guard break it.
peace has so little health that they need the dodge, but you dont seem to realize how low their stamina is. they can dodge twice and get ONE attack off before being winded.

>>162966270
Peacekeeper really isnt OP
Learn to parry the forward dash attack, it always hits high with really predictable timing, and counter guardbreaks with lights instead of bothering with the actual counter mechanic.
She doesn't do much damage per hit unless she's repeatedly poisoning you and waiting it out, which puts her at long range which is disadvantaged for her, or hitting lots of heavies because you're trying to guard break.

>>162966786
Its not any more unbreakable than the rest of the grabs in the game. Which isn't saying much, because it doesn't work very well, but it doesn't matter because you should be hitting them with lights instead of countering anyway, because its free damage as opposed to nothing.

>>162966786
>>Unbreakable
Nope
>grab that bleeds
And doing more than 2 stabs is super difficult.
>attack at the speed of light
has the range of ruggarell's dick.

>>162966292
Nope

>>162967020
yep.

>>162966930
>>162966952

But you have half a fucking millisecond to counter it thats the problem and the punishment for missing it is half your health getting deleted.

>>162967016
Ok then once you get into the grab how do you get out? You can't. that makes it unbreakable.

>And doing more than 2 stabs is super difficult.
yea ok

>>162967246
>Ok then once you get into the grab how do you get out? You can't. that makes it unbreakable.
Every attack in the game is unblockable because if you don't block it before it hits you you just take damage and there's nothing you can do about it
WOOOOOW

>>162967246
If you can't tech guardbreaks you're just bad.

>>162967339
>>162967395

So the person deserves to win if I miss one block?I can do every other block perfectly but fuck up that one and i should just quit the game?

fuck off peacekeeper mains

>>162967484
It does 1 bar.
You're just shit at the game it's okay just learn.

>>162966952
>learn to parry
That's exactly what people said about the Orochi and all i need to know. A class that requires a parry to be beaten is more than just broken.

>>162967749
Or it means stop being a shitter.

>>162966764
>watching Nobushi to try and track her guard so you can meet her attack with a block
>get guardbroken instead and instantly lose a fifth of your HP

yeah dude so easy

I don't have a problem with being guardbroken. Usually I can block it but against Nobushi literally every single one of her fucking attacks has an insanely fast windup. Fuck you.

>>162967749
You don't really need to learn to parry
Just get the timing of that one attack down
Its literally the only thing she can do that threatens you from anything farther away from rubbing nipples distance. It only hits high. It always has the exact same timing, which is more than long enough to react to. She can't feint it so you don't need to worry about mindgames.
If you can't parry that the problem is with you.

>>162967894
you are bad

>>162967880
Yes, meeting a 50ms window with the kind of input lag and general latency we have in the game is what makes you a non-shitter. Retard.

>>162967528
I am bad at this game but i know broken when I see it. I shouldn't have to play like a evo level pro to beat someone who can just spam attacks and win

I'm really fucking torn about For Honor. I felt the exact same way during the first test also. On one hand, it can be fun when you have a good friendly match, win or lose, everyone is learning their character and all is well.

But the other 50% of the time, is people relentlessly shit talking, maximum cheese strats, or just ubisoft servers fucking everything up.

I WANT to like the game, but I also feel like the game is actively trying to piss me off. Like stuff not registering, bullshit 'i win' abilities, p2p connection.

Does anyone else feel like this?

>>162968106
>>162968198
two shitters

I played the other day and hated it, felt like shit and was not into it at all
But I feel as though that was because I was both playing Dominion (3v1 central) and I had a shit day at work
But I loaded up today, gave it a second chance, and played 1v1 instead.
It felt so fucking good absolutely shitting on peacekeepers and weebs.

Based Warden

Warden bros, where are we at?

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>all the cancerous, irritating, bullshit classes are females

How appropriate

>>162968232
t. agile main

>>162968307
I main Warden you're just bad.

>>162968201

Well to be honest this game might and will attract the PvP Dark souls crowd

is Shugoki balanced? He and Kensei are the only weeb classes I want to play. If he's super OP I don't want to play him.

>>162968459
Shugoki is a noob killer but pretty average to low tier the better the players are.

>>162967395
speaking of teching, i do have trouble with it, seeing as bots are dumb as fuck and i cant practice the timing
when do you counter breaker? i thought it was when you see the icon pop up

>>162968503
why's that?

>>162968535
Right when they hit you with it.
I don't really look for an indicator other than the animation.

>>162968541
Easy to exploit his slow movement and slow attack speed and short light attacks.

>>162967960
1v1?

>>162968745
sure
uplay: readhed

is there an easy way to grind out gear? i wanna make my heroes look cool

>>162968304
>You can change the gender
WOAH

>>162968970
>Nobushi
>Valkyrie
no you can't

>>162968352
>you're just bad

I love how people like you just spam this the moment someone calls bullshit. Theres a reason you see 2-4 of the guys per game.

>>162968541
hes predictable to the extreme because of his slow attacks, and that the fact that he can only really engage becase of that when the armor is up
if the armor isnt active he takes a shitload of damage and missing the charge hurts him
its way too easy for anyone halfway competent to just poke at him till the armor is gone then do a shitload of damage with any attack

>>162968198
honestly memekeeper is nothing compared to nobushi when it comes to spam because of how fast the pokes are and how long the range is
especially if youre bleeding cause lmao extra damage

>>162969251
If you're not good at the game I don't take your opinion seriously.

>>162969408
>If you're not good at the game I don't take your opinion seriously.

jesus your worse then the arenafags

>>162969526
What's an arenafag?

>wake up to find Valkyire nerfed
>still kicking everyone's ass with her

why were people complaining anyways? she wasn't op in the first place.

>>162969825
yes she was
if she was nerfed hard, and you're STILL doing great with her, she was OP

>>162969825
really made me think

>>162969893
or the people in this beta and this general are awful at the game and bitch about any class they get reamed by?
if you faggots actaully were good at the game you would bitch about nobushi not valkyrie

>>162969893
or maybe people are just bad? valk does such low damage per hit that if you don't kill her before she kills you, you're doing something wrong.

>Duel
>As Warden
>Other guy goes warden
>First game goes well, win 3 to 2, he's not bad
>Second game starts
>Get him with an environmental kill on the geysers for shits and giggles
>Can tell he's getting agitated
>lose the next match
>Win the next two
>Say good game, actually enjoying playing against another warden instead of fucking weea-
>Third game he goes Orochi
>First match throw his ass off the castle bridge
>Next two matches completely steamroll him

All respect instantly dropped.
Having to resort to some fucking japanese meme class in an attempt to win only to get steamrolled is pathetic.

>>162969959
>>162969972
>everyone is just bad
Blackbeard wasn't OP at release, people were just bad. Catering to the highest echelon of the game's playerbase isn't how you keep a playerbase.

>>162970169
Orochi isn't OP why are you angry at him using a different character?

>>162970202
Except Blackbeard actually was OP due to being able to peek without any risk. What does Valk do that comes even close to that?

>>162970276
>A counter attacker with a shield
>Higher health than the other two counter attackers
>Bleed attacks
>Easy combos
>Lunge attacks
>A shield bash that is comparable to the Conqueror except she doesn't have to sprint to initiate it

>>162970276
>>162970368

Fellas I know teamspeak killed /r6g/ but the BB meme is over and done with

>>162970409
>how DARE you use an EXAMPLE
fuck off

>>162970202
what playerbase? there is hardly 3k online daily in the beta and ive hardly ever even faced a valkyrie in a duel who knows how to use the spear sweep
>>162970368
>extremely unreliable bleed attack which needs really lucky timing to even hit
>combos that hurt much less than orochis memekeepers or nobushis unless you end it in a spear sweep and then it hardly compares
>higher health than the other counter attacks
how to spot someone talking out of his ass
a peacekeeper stabbing her twice takes close to half of her health away
orochi heavy attacking after a guardbreak takes half her health away
implying that she has noticably more hp than anyone is literally just bullshit

>>162970487

Well im just sayin

>>162970368
>>162970538 Already said most of what I was going to say, but for the rest:

>Easy combos
What does this even mean? Every character in the game has this.

>Lunge attacks
Again, many other characters have this, some of them even have them as heavies, doing more damage and letting you execute off of them.

>>162970538
>Really lucky timing
Can you parry? Yes? You can land this bleed attack.
>Combos that hurt much less than orochi's / nobushi's
I didn't say her combos hit like a truck, anon, I said her combos were extremely easy to do and to mix up.
>higher health than other counter attackers
this is objectively true, it takes like two heavies to kill a Peacekeeper and a similar amount of damage to kill an Orochi. I've overheaded heavied a Valk three times in a row as a Warden and she still had about a quarter health left, unless they've reduced her health by half or so in the nerf.

>>162970487
>>162970582

Valkyrie is more like Ash

>>162970276
She had every strength that every other character has and no real weaknesses.
>good hp
>long range fast decent damage attacks
>effectively the same gimmick as Peacekeeper's deflect, but it also blocks for some reason so its safer
>better version of Peacekeeper's dash attack
>one of the best sprint attacks in the game
>effectively the same gimmick as Warden's shoulder charge + full block for some reason
>unblockable knockdown sweep into free damage, where every other similar move requires a wall or something to get damage off it
>infinite chains using shield bash, which was effectively a better version of Berserker and Conqueror's gimmicks
>even a random better version of Shugoki's headbutt because why not?

At least before the nerfs, I haven't had enough time to figure out how hard it actually hit her, but she was completely ridiculous.

>>162970771
Except you have to doge to use the bleed attack counter, not parry. Dodging is not as quick as changing your guard. It also does pitiful damage, maybe as much as a single Peacekeeper stab.

>two heavies to kill a peacekeeper
Have you even played as Valkyrie? From full health it takes 5 heavies to kill someone, 6 for the Heavy classes.

>>162971057
>You have to dodge
no, anon. You make it sound simpler than it is. You have to dodge into an attack during the parry window, then just tap heavy. That is literally it.

Essentially, you are parrying with space.

>>162971057
Its just deflect, there's nothing special about it
And since it automatically changes your block direction, its safer to attempt than every other deflect in the game

>>162971319
you clearly have never played valkyrie if you think its that easy, the bleed itself does less damage than a single stab from a nobushi and is never worth the risk of lunging into an attack
when the patch notes hit people were all HOLYSHIT SHE GOT HIT HARDER THAN OROCHI LMAO
and already youre back to bitching about her despite the fact that basically everything about valk was nerfed

>>162971435
Anon, we're talking pre-nerf you fucking mongoloid, and even then, the deflect STILL isn't fucking any different than before. The entire point of the conversation was how she WAS OP. Fuck off.

>>162970943
>good hp
No, she has average hp.
>long range fast decent damage attacks
Long range and fast, yes, damage is lowest in the game
>same as PK deflect
So? That's like saying the Orochi has the same as PK deflect but does more damage, making it better
>better version of PK dash attack
Longer range, not higher damage. Slightly slower. It's not even the best dash attack in the game.
>one of the best sprint attacks
No, her sprint attack sucks ass. It's slower than the raider's and warden's and extremely unreliable for hitting people running away
>warden shoulder charge
Her shield bash does not work like the warden's shoulder charge at all.
>unblockable sweep
Has low range and is easily dodged by the agile characters.
>infinite chains
No? Just block one of her lights?
>shugoki headbutt
No comment on this as I haven't played enough Shugoki. What makes it better?

>>162971165
>>162971319
So why aren't assassins killing everyone without issue then, if deflecting is a guaranteed win like you are making it out to be? Deflecting as Valk is safer due to the block, yes (note that the block doesn't last the entire dodge, so it's far from 100% safe) but it also doesn't reward you as much due to the bleed counter doing piss poor damage.

>>162971435
Its no harder than the other deflects in the game

>>162971568
then why in the fuck are you talking about how she was
what purpose does bitching about a previous state of her serve
if youre going to bitch about something then bitch about nobushi being fucking busted

>Orochi male and Shugoki both say NANI? when guardbroken

holy shit

Does Second Wind and other limited-use feats recharge when spent? Or do you only get X per match?

>>162971690

YAMATE

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>>162970250
>Orochi
>Ever

>>162966114
Literally false, Nobushi does not get a guaranteed heavy after guard break.

>lawbringer male only
>can't play a big girl knight throwing people around like ragdolls

surely they will make all classes both genders after launch, right?

>>162972504
Nope.

They shouldn't nerf memekeeper, they should buff her, she loses all her stamina way too fast.
HATE STAMINA

>>162972585
stop pressing buttons

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Please someone just tell me how to beat nobushi and peacekeeper. I just want to play warden in peace.

>>162972682
parry and hit them

>>162972682
play lawbringer and rush them

>>162972682
Nobushi you're objective is to get in.
Always be forward dashing and blocking until you get in overhead light poke range, on hit or whiff you can cancel that into shoulder(which can be canceled into guardbreak) Use your Zone Attack to surprise her, it's very fast and far reaching.

When you get in and get the hit do the shoulder mixup loop.

>>162972405
she does, try it

I did some testing and found that a lot of the heroes do - most of them get it when you heavy attack from the side after a guardbreak. Nobushi gets it from any attack angle, while most classes don't have the top confirm

>>162972682
>>162973046
Peacekeeper is almost the opposite.
You want to keep her out by occupying space with lights.
Be ready to parry her dodge attacks.
Be good at throw breaking.

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>>162971581
because Orochis, the other counter attacker with a dodge similar to Valk's, typically always go for the heavy attack, which is much more drawn out and more easily avoidable than the light attack.

On top of that, it's not like Valk is doing this a billion times a battle, just like the other counter attackers. It's by no means a guaranteed win, but it's something else she has ontop of everything she ALREADY has.

>>162971670
Because the ENTIRE conversation was "how WAS she OP?" He was asking because he wanted to know. Calm down, holy shit.

>>162973046
>Shoulder can be cancelled into guardbreak
Whaaaaaaaaaat the fuck? HOW? I want to use this, I want to be the best Warden I can be.

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>>162973605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMmXCKxwa0k
>tfw Conqueror

>>162973605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMR6xK0E-s

is there a key to getting a super minion? I swear i've seen a couple of them running around, especially on that chinese map with the buff areas.

>>162973693
I've literally never seen an Orochi go for the heavy counter since the first test.

Also, "counter attacker" means basically nothing. You could call every class in the game a counter attacker because parrying gives you a guaranteed hit.
The game doesn't even call Valkyrie a counter attacker, by the way.

>>162973928
The game doesn't call any of the hybrids by either of their classes, but she clearly has counter attacker class abilities, such as the dodge into an attack combo, which Orochi and Peacekeeper both have.

>>162974028
Raider has a dodge into an attack, does that make him a counter attacker?

>>162973841
When you release X to do the shoulder there is a cancel window of about maybe .5sec to a second to cancel into guard break.

Also note, on hit with the shoulder you can combo into side light*2 and then cancel into another shoulder, if that shoulder hits the side light is not guaranteed BUT the overhead light is so, you get that hit and can cancel into shoulder AGAIN rinse and repeat.
Make sure to throw in some shoulder cancels into guard break when the learn to dodge.
Do this to them a couple times and they will be panicky as fuck in that situation and you can even through in a light*2 heavy.
If they like parrying at every opportunity, feint a heavy overhead and use your crushing counterstrike (overhead light) to destroy them.

Oh and after a successful crushing counterstrike guess what? You can cancel that into shoulder and another overhead light for a combo.

Shit is wild.

>>162974152
>lightx2
this never procs for me, what am I fucking doing wrong? My Warden keeps slowly attacking with his light attacks from the side.

>>162974210
You can't mash.
It's a sort of link timing Light (.5 sec or so) Light.

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>>162973605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isxvXITTLLY

>>162974210
>>162974238
If you want a demonstration or practice add me on uplay: readhed

Do different valk helmets have different hair colors? I've seen bots with brown and red hair.

why are you literally rigged to fall off the edges in this game

>>162975352
its ebin

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>finally get a good looking peacekeeper helmet
>reduce the best stat

>>162975352
ledges and instakill pits need to be straight up fucking removed from duel
or at least remove the fucking single line corridor bullshit. You aren't showing off skill by pushing people off cliffs

t. warden main

>>162975630
you can switch cosmetic differences with another item for like 500 coins

>>162975630
You can change the appearance of gear
I haven't done it so I don't know the details but there's an option for it

>>162975706
>guy tries to push me off a cliff
>i counter his guard break
>back up and just shoulder charge him off
every time, they deserve it

>>162975706
How?

>>162973605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Lkuf-ZmHw

>>162975706
I think ledges and hazards are fine.
The bridge maps though are stupid.

What's the deal with Champion status or whatever? It only lasts 3 days or something? I don't understand the information screen ingame on it.

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>>162975880
Suddenly I am desperately awaiting whatever faction DLC includes a "these two fists and nothing else" motherfucker

>>162976004
some meme xp boost shit

>>162976143
Yeah but what's the point if we lose everything after the alpha?

Does it confer some kind of reward in the live game?

>>162976004
It's the premium subscription that you will (probably) be able to buy with real money eventually.

It's the standard thing, bonus XP and loot.

>>162975893
>>162975706
The bridge maps are cancer and I just back off and force them to come fight on the ground.

Ledges are okay, I can live with them, but its kind of annoying how much it centralizes the gameplay around getting the grab. I would like it if they added another break window to the actual throw. That turns it into a RPS kind of thing, where if you get the guard break near a ledge you can
>Throw at the ledge to attempt a kill, but risk getting it countered
>Light for guaranteed minor damage
>Heavy for high damage that beats an attempted counter but can be blocked if they don't

That way if you get tossed off a cliff at least you know you fucked up twice

>>162976184
everything is reset so no

>>162976237
Nah Guard Break as is, is fine.

>>162976407
except when it's performed by memekeepers

>>162976450
Nah even then.
Guard Breaks are not hard to break.
You need to actually work for them and put your opponent under pressure to land them.
(in a good player scenario)

>>162974109
which one?

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>there are people in this thread who actually defend Peacekeeper

>>162976818
Literally not a threat.

>>162976594
yeah, landing one light atk in with memekeeper before guard breaking to safe grapple that take 25 to 33% of your health sure is hard.

>>162976407
That shouldn't really nerf guard breaks much at all, outside of the cases where it leads to someone getting thrown off a cliff
Throws aren't very useful outside of throwing people off cliffs anyway, so the rest of the game won't be affected much, it just hopefully would make it so that every fight that happens near a hazard is less likely to devolve into both people playing purely for the grab, and make it a little more interactive when you do get grabbed.
In the worst case, you still get the free light for landing a guard break you do now, and if they wrongly predict a throw you can even get a heavy where otherwise you wouldn't have been able to.

>>162976594
Guard breaks under normal conditions are fine, but near a ledge they break down a bit. They're fairly low risk, because at worst you get hit by a heavy, and super high reward because they are effectively an instant kill. Technically its balanced because both players have the option, but it doesn't make for fun fights.

would every bleed tick filling revenge be balance?

>>162977154
I think making bleed unable to kill would be a good compromise.

>>162977154
Maybe don't make bleed do as much damage as a fucking heavy class attack does, off of unblockable attacks.

>>162976206
>subscription

Oh it isn't even permanent? What the fuck bro. Is that why it says like "+3 days!" or something?

>>162976335
lame as fuck from the get-go it seems though

>dueling weeb
>weeb wins first round by throwing me off a ledge
>I win the next two rounds with executions, making sure to sit on his face afterward
>I win the last round by throwing him off the same ledge he threw me off
>he alt-f4s before he even hits the ground

perfect

Nerf Peacekeeper grab and she has nothing else.

>>162977485
>unblockable
you can tech guard breaks
also guard breaks lose to lights and heavies about .5sec into their animation

>>162977693
Not talking about her guard break, though giving a light class the best guard-break followup in the game is questionable too.

>>162977809
I would argue Warden has the best guard break followup.

>>162978697
>tfw they didn't want the peacekeeper to kill with that second guardbreak to hide how bullshit of a move it is

Should I switch to a controller or will keyboard + mouse be fine?

>>162978025
How? What can possibly compete with potentially 30-50% of your healthbar in bleed?

>>162979145
Peacekeeper's stab doesn't do 30%.
25% is a better estimate and it's over time.

Warden gets light*2 xx Shoulder mixups or Heavy, Heavy (feint) mixups.

cant stop playing, eyes hurt

Bleed shouldn't kill. Prove me wrong.

The only nerf Peacekeeper needs is only be able to stab once or to third the amount of damage that shit does.

This game is going to flop so hard if they don't have dedicated servers for launch. I'd say at least 4/10 matches I play end because of the shitty P2P not being able to deal with someone leaving or crashing.

Hopefully they pull a R6 Siege.

>>162979594
take half a year extra to make a decent game?

>>162979632
Siege was good at launch. Well memed though.

>>162979679
>laughingrainbows.PNG

Sure is fun getting shot round corners entire walls. :^)

>>162973605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZkekS8NQU

>>162979528
Bleed not killing is a good enough nerf for Peacekeeper.

It's so fucking stupid how you can guard break someone who is in the middle of a guard break. Why does that not count as being in the middle of an attack?

>>162980320
You weren't in the middle of it you were in the recovery frames.

>>162980924
is this actually useful? can peacekeeper actually get damage off it?

>>162980962
what

>>162980990
his unblockable flippy grab. the recovery always seems too long for him to hit after it.

i havent played him just fought them, so idk.

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>>162945317
So I've been setting all of my knights to be black under their armor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw7dzS8UJ4Q

I should play more warden, doesn't quite feel right as lawbringer.

>>162981016
nah it doesn't lead to any guaranteed damage
it's pretty shit

>>162948436
This is exactly what I want to do as well.

Every class should be gender-togglable, doesn't really make sense to me that they aren't. Not like females historically played any of these roles anyway - gender locking might make less sense here than allowing everything to be switched around.

>>162981256
nah

>>162981016
>>162981174
Long Arm is pretty shit.

It's intended to be used after a stun, otherwise every time you use it the enemy'll be able to instantly get back up and block your follow-up.

Stun them first and you get the free hit, but I question how useful this even is - if you've got the stun, wouldn't it be better to just go for a heavy anyway?

Using long arm gets the guaranteed post-stun hit at least, if your opponent is dumb maybe you'll be able to get a good hit or two in while they're stunned without it.

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so I was dueling a warden and everytime I tried a light side attack he blocked me and attack from the same side
but I couldnt block the attack in time its like my character tried to recover from the block or something
anyone know how he did this?
I was playing warden myself btw

>>162981565
Warden gets a free second hit on left/right light attacks, if that's what you mean

>>162981620
nah I know this
its like he made a "hard block" and I had to recover from it

>>162981709
That's a parry. Parrying is extremely important if you want to get out of the pleb bracket

>>162981709
That's called a parry.

You do it by hammering heavy attack while guarding in the direction your enemy's attacking from.

Time it so that you do it just before their attack connects, the window can be hard to get down and is affected by latency. Had a laggy guy earlier who was literally unparriable, when the spikes would come in it'd throw off my timing.

why is the knight getting buttfucked?

I have a theory it's a bullshit meter to test community reaction and if their system 'works'

>>162981879
Probably. It's a bullshit system either way. Weebs are winning because they have the most players, even though weeb players are on average terrible.