Fighting Games General /fgg/

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MvCi will be fun.

FUN!

>balrog is honest

gorillas will defend this

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This is a super-saiyan

>>162884541
Do people still play Arcana Heart? When's the last time it had a major?

>>162884750

Main lineup at a major? Like seven or eight years, probably.

>revelator is only $18~$22 in mexico, russia, etc.
>it's $65 in the us
okay, what the fuck?

>>162884750
The latest arcade version never came to console

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>>162884756
What's with all of the furry pandering in BlazBlue?

>>162884750
October

>>162884810

Thanks, Nintendo.

>>162884869
>female lean

What?

are the sfv servers down? I just got disconnected and can't get back in

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>>162884541
Post more

>>162884869
Do people really ERP on twitter?

>>162884937
I think it means bi but likes girls more

>>162884937

She's bisexual but leans towards females, exactly what it says.

>>162884991
>she

>>162884913
CEOtaku?

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Which version of Ken has been the coolest? In gameplay or design, whatever.

>>162885223
MvC2 in terms of tools, even if he is low tier

Why does dank hate SFV with all of his soul? What's wrong with him?

What ps4 fighter should I get that isnt ggxrd:revelator, kof14, SF5 or skullgirls?

>>162885302
Who?

>>162885372
DOA5LR, UMVC3 or MKXL

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buy tekken

>>162885372
T7 whenever the fuck it comes out.

>>162885302

Maybe he wants to play something else. Have you asked him to play something?

Treat him like an unwelcome but not uncooperative hobo. He might act better with support.

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>>162884261
Check out Combo Breaker and NEC. Lots of recent stuff from 2015 and 2016. Frosty Faustings and CEOtaku as well while you're at it.

>>162885372
Dead or Alive 5 Last Round. No, really, it's like Virtua Fighter, but easier and alive.

>>162884613
Need more mohawk Captain Marvel

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>>162885409
I main lewd Asuka!!

>>162885075
Yeah

>>162884613
It will be a party masher like Smash, not a fighting game of real substance. Seriously, in terms of mechanics, Marvel is just as bad, if not worse than anime games that you people claim to hate (touch of death setplay), but somehow gets a free pass because of muh capeshit.

>>162885549
How do you already main her if it's not out yet? Are you asian? Speaking of which, how do Americans train for those T7 majors that are popping up now? Do TTT2 skills really carry over that much to that game?

>>162885683
they played it at tournaments
some play tag 2

>>162885683
I like Asuka in TTT2, I'm a beginner though. And I think Tekken skills overall transfer very well. There's new stuff and changes but it's Tekken ass Tekken.

>>162885683
>how do Americans train for those T7 majors that are popping up now
they kinda just get mauled by asians.

>>162885597
You've never played a MvC game, have you.

Just admit it. Go on.

>>162885302
Well it is probably the most bland, soulless fighting game of all time.

>>162885683
>asian arcade advantage

they can't keep getting away with it. tekken would've been america's game, just look at SFV and what happened at capcom cup

>/fgg/ went 0-3 in VG League 7

wew

>>162885978
I think that's goes to goober gear.

>>162886009
Sandbagging till nationals don't worry about it

>>162885892
I've played a lot of Marvel, actually.
MvC2 is more based around infinite and glitches than Smash somehow
MvC3 is touch of death combos: The game. I feel absolutely no joy mashing out my mindless repeated chain loop until the opponent dies. Don't even get me started on X-Factor being the de-facto "I fucked up" button

MvC in general has apocalyptically unbalanced tiers, due to being a mishmash of characters from other fighting games they just strung together, at least up until MvC3. Really no better than Mugen. Seriously, only 4 viable point characters in MvC2? And people take that game seriously? Meanwhile, games that are even slightly imbalanced get torn apart? Why the double standard? I hate anime mashers for the exact same reasons I hate MvC. Neutral that lasts more than 3 seconds? Zoning that isn't just beamspamming? Meter that builds so fast you can just throw out supers willy nilly like it's nothing? If I wanted that shit, I'd just play SFII rainbow edition. Better yet, I'll just watch reruns of Dragon Ball Z.

>>162885984
An asian won Capcom Cup, though. Until a Joseph Smith type wins, I don't care how many Vietnamese people we have carrying us.

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I've put 96 hours into Street Fighter V. Am I allowed to say I dislike it yet or do I have to wait until Season 2?

>>162886091
Are you fucking idiot? Are you honestly saying less effort went into Xrd than Outsourced Fighter V? SFV is the definition of an assembly-line production. The symptom of a globalized world.

tfw guilty gear has the best current game (:

>>162886428
>asks people whether they are idiots
>forgets to put the determiner into the sentence

embarrassing much?

>>162886428
>globalized world
I guess Alex Jones was right. Will he keep America out of Japan's game development?

>>162886398
You're allowed to say you dislike it, especially if you can post actual reasons. You could also say it's bad, but then you'd require objective reasons.

>>162886009
good. half of the players aren't even fgg related

>>162886585
I'm Australian and personally dislike executing link combos online because of how our internet works.

>>162886796
I'm not sure I understand why you even tried, let alone put in nearly 100 hours.

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wheres jubei

>>162886091
>Game was incomplete at launch (You literally couldn't play in a lobby for MONTHS)
>Graphics are shit
>Load times are bad
>Game has made zero innovations from previous title, in fact it regressed in many areas
>No unique or interesting characters
>Game punishes defensive minded play
>8 frames
*Bends over* Oh yes O-ono San! Put it in me <333

>>162886846
It looked fun and I got a non-laggy match every once in a while. I don't work and have plenty of time for fighting games anyway.

>>162884241
You kind of just argued in favor of talent. Arcades from 10 years ago and before had more people playing. In order to rise to the top, you had to be more talented.


I'll never understand how people think talent isn't a factor. Let 100 people do the same thing, practice the same way, etc... and 1 person has to be at the top.

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havent touched this game in a month

been having more fun with bbcf and revelator

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Went to my first WNF yesterday. Made it to my second match, but got beat Valle.

I also made it to my third match in the ST tournament and then got destroyed by Alex Myers.

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>>162887010
ayyy beta tag super lmao my dood

>>162887010
glad youre having fun anon, you seem like a nice guy

>>162886980
You never ever had 100 people do the same thing and practice the same way.

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Fuck, I want to kill myself again. What fighting game can fill the empty void that is my life?

>>162887316
watch some umvc3 sets on youtube, they're fun

>>162887316
Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube.
>Inb4 not a fighting game
Just shut the fuck up and play it. :)

>>162887353
thanks alcatraz, i'm going to rewatch the kbr/fooblat ft15 set right now

>>162887429
I hate fooblat, he's so ugly it's distracting.

>>162886918
being this triggered

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>>162886980
People now could be talented but have no drive to. That's not really the same thing. Look at that kid in the Philippines that's great at Tekken. He plays it because he likes it and wants to be good at it. His peers probably don't give enough of a shit. That desire to actually play is determination, not talent. Now, don't get me wrong. AK is definitely talented, but his drive to actually compete is what keeps him winning. Keep in mind that your potential means nothing if you can't utilize it. Many people have the potential to be talented magicians, writers, or artists, but would rather get drunk or masturbate all day. And really, what would motivate a new person to get into fighting games? If they want to get rich and famous from a video game, they're better off playing an FPS or ARTS these days. Regarding Japan specifically, I have a friend and he says that due to the Japanese mindset of people wanting to save money now, most won't waste precious yen in an arcade to practice for some game that will get them some minor recognition from other arcade players at best. The 90s economic bubble burst and you really can't get much money for fighting games in Japan anyway, as they consider it gambling. The people that still play in Asia do it out of passion since these kind of laws apply to a lot of countries in that region. The Chinese KoF 97 champions legitimately like KoF 97. They don't care about money like that, or else they'd just get jobs. The Malaysian Tekken players play Tekken for the same reason. The genre just isn't that appealing to younger people for various reasons. Look at video games in general, really. People are used to games being so easy nowadays that anything that requires a bit of time and research is sure to bore kids now. Keep in mind that 20 years ago, games actually required you to practice at least a little bit as a way to extend the time spent playing a shorter game so you didn't feel like you wasted money.

This will never not be hilarious to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPUdcyv6VxY

>>162887316
T7

>>162887068
Why did you take this long to go? I wish i had locals...

>>162887243
At the top levels tit closely approaches a standard the higher you go.

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>>162887603
I dunno. I'm just slow I guess.

>>162887514
and that kid in the Philippines is stuck in a place with not as good competition as the rest

>>162884541
Just watched a guy on twitch do some testing with Juri in beta S2 build:
Some slight frame changes all around (general trend is more advantage OH, but a few are less positive OB)
Couldn't see startup frame changes, but S.MP is +5 OH now and combos into S.MK. S.MP can be used into V-trigger combos now too.
V-Skill seems to charge faster. Not sure if projectile invincibility has improved, but it was reliably going through Hadoukens when charged.
DPs are mostly the same
Cr.HP AA is still bad outside of V-trigger (hitbox well inside hurtbox)
B.HK is also not a good AA still
V-trigger is pretty similar so far, fireballs travel slower and still drained the same way instead of being set timer
Fireballs still -2 OB

In short, she got some buffs, but her AAs have not improved.

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Wow they put I-No costume in Tekken

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4 days until she's top tier

right?

>>162887925
That's nice. T7 visuals are good.

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Is she still all risk zero reward?

>>162887790
Cr.MP startup is 6f instead of 5f, so it cannot be linked with S.MP
S.MK startup reduced to 5f

>>162887790
she had a fucktarded jab anti air. is that still in?

>>162887750
The scene in the Philippines may not be as strong as Korea or Japan's but it still has an arcade culture strong enough to support a fairly large playerbase of people willing to improve at the game.

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What's the best way to train anti airing on reaction, specifically with Urien's standing HK?

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>>162887925
Wow they put Waldo costume in Tekken

>>162888115
Training mode, retard.

>getting serious blue balls after looking at Tekken 7 matches
>already sold my PS3
Damn, I am seriously considering buying another since I have no one to practice with locally.

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/screens/t7fr-dec2016-custom.htm

>that Kazumi
>that Lili
I need this now

>>162887496
Not an argument.

>>162888181
No shit faggot. I'm asking if there's anything I can do beyond just having the dummy jump into my anti air over and over.

>>162888114
Still subpar and the quality isn't that good.
You need a large and good playerbase and based off other genres that island is a mess.

>>162888286
You could use your brain.

Well, actually, I'm doubting that at this point.

>>162888093
Her AA jab is still in

>>162888336
>Thinking that SFV players have a brain

>>162888341
then she doesnt need better AAs.
her jab is retarded.

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w

>>162888115
>on reaction
that's something you can better learn by playing actual people imo

>>162888194
one little shitpost leads to a guilty goober spergin out.
that's all i see

not the first poster, btw

>>162888194
How's your fighting game doing anon? Surely your "properly devolved" game has more players right?

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>>162884991
>Do people really ERP on twitter?

>>162888336
Damn dude I'm sorry I asked for training mode advice. I hope someone gives you a hug for the effort you put into getting mad at me.

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>>162888080
She's all bruises and a dumb canard

>>162888115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiE6DSZ8o0U

>>162888537
>popularity = quality
Next you're going to tell me Overwatch is better than Unreal Tournament

>>162888336
calm down goober

>>162888605
>projecting your anger after getting BTFO
Nice.

>>162888561
Why would you ERP at work? I wait until I'm home and my mom's outside to do furry roleplaying and fapping to futanari hentai.

>>162888750
Why are you still replying to me you insecure baby? Do want ME to give you the hug?

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>>162888649
>goober in damage control mode

Get help kid

>>162888484
thats a lot of white people
smash tournament?

>>162886223
>MvC2 is more based around infinite
it's not lol

>>162888534
>>162888537
WTF. I love Capcom now!

whoever mentioned the quake 2 sound track

thanks

this shit is bumping

Reminder to not buy Tekken 7 when it launches because it's 2 years old.

>>162888789
>calls people faggots
>goes "u mad bro" when destroyed
>displays literal retardation
>calls others insecure
lol

>>162888918
But it hasn't even been released outside arcades yet.

When are we going to accept that we'll never be as talented as Asians when it comes to fighting games? Fate decided to give us the short end of the stick and we have to live with that.

>>162888916
>tfw staying up til 3am co-oping with friends on a school night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6VpX-feA2M

>>162888286
Record the dummy jumping in at slightly different distance and with different buttons then set it to random replay

>>162888951
Calling someone a faggot because they're gay isn't showing anger. It's like calling water wet.

Also you are clearly angry. Here you go man.

*hugs*

>>162888795
should add "you can find matches by begging on discord"

>>162888974
Yeah, my bad.
It might be more than 2 years old and thus irrelevant.

>>162889016
>still projecting your intense anger
*licks face*
Your tears are delicious

>>162887471
but hes cute

>>162888795
It's funny because all those excuses are used by SF players when DOTA fans mock fighting games

>>162887243
There will always be a large percentage that practices the same amount. Still, there is someone that rises to the top.

Or do you think the best always practice the most? Face it, there is no argument against Talent. Someone always has to rise to the top.

>>162887972
4 days until I press alt f4 for every match she wins against me, and run for every match I win against her

>>162889078
>licks another man's
>"Y-you're just calling me a faggot because you're mad!"

Woah bro, that was a friendly hug because you were angry. Put the tongue away because I ain't gay.

>>162889227
It's an old as fuck 4chan reference, you stupid fucking newfaggot.

Even Southpark made a reference to it.

>they buff lariat to hit off st.lk at any range against crouchers
>they nerf cr.lp so it no longer links to st.lk

capcom is the ultimate 1-step-forward-2-steps-back company

>>162888795
Capcucks would literally buy an incomplete game for 100$ as long as it has STREET FIGHTER TM on the case. They would also flame people who criticize Capcom for being greedy jews.
>What's the matter, too poor to buy an incomplete game? HAH POORFAG!

>>162889274
>it's a meme you dip

Okay face licker, whatever you say.

>>162889127
You can't just take two 20 years old, make them practice the same amount of time, then say the one who wins was more innately talented. They each had 20 years of life leading up to this point and there's so many factors in life that will influence how someone thinks and act, how disciplined they are and how they improve at any given task.

>>162889280
Good. Gief can stay at the bottom so I never have to fight him. By the way do you like The Spice Girls? I recently discovered their music.

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>>162889304
>what? you're not going to buy a late pc port of revelator for $65 + tip? too poor or something?

this is a make or break question that will determine if I ever renew psn:

will tekken 7 have cross play?

>>162889227
Jesus Christ you're stupid.

>>162889387
Maybe, but most likely not based off of what Harada said last time it was mentioned.

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>>162889387
No Harada thinks all PC players are baby cheaters

>>162889078
>>162889016
>>162889227

Okay you guys are nearing the cancer quotient of a /vg/ general.

>>162889379
I'm not even a GG player. I'm not defending their Jewery either. I'm critical of all poor business practices unlike you brain dead fanboys. Capcucks are still literally the worst though. At least GG will release a complete game at launch.

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>>162888795
I'll admit this has more effort put into it than a kermit post, but it still isn't as funny the Simple Series KoF picture.

The reason this image is an instant classic is the fact that it references both the Simple 2000 budget series of games and even has the correct naming convention falling in line with The Chikyuu Boueigun, The Oneechanbara, The Sniper 2, et cetera, and even has the poorly zoomed in character model like The Daibijin. The only flaw with it is that it lacks the warning sticker than Vol. 80, The Oneechamploo, possessed. In fact, The Oneechamploo is an odd game to reference anyway.

For those of you wondering, by the way, the red caption of 従来の2dグラフィックスから3dグラフィックスに一新! 参戦キャラは50人+! reads as "The graphics have been revamped from 2d to 3d! Over 50 characters!" This sounds exactly like a Simple Series blurb. Seriously, can any shitposting picture top the level of cleverness reached in this picture? You have your work cut out for you, Capcom players.

>>162889476
why is harada such a piece of shit when it comes to pc?

>>162889123
Sh... don't talk about DotA. The very existence of a competitive game that is both F2P and more popular than SF infuriates them to no end since it forces them to admit they're sitting at the nerd table with the rest of us as no one but Japs take fighting games more serious than PC esports.

>>162889629
Why are PC gamers such pieces of shit when it comes to being human beings?

>>162889280
>Juri gets medium to medium links
>Her charges are even worse than before

It really makes you think

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>our guy is entered for BBCF at NEC17

>>162889724
Does he play Valkenhayn?

>>162888884
>what is high level magneto play

>>162889676
in what way? all pc gamers want is complete control over their hardware and software, which is a reasonable demand considering that we own the hardware and software.

>>162889768
Izanami

>>162889815
You don't own the software though, you own a license to use it.

>>162888985
More like we don't have the same conditions as asians. There are arcades there and they have plenty of people to play with. I went to a SFV tournament at a game store in my area and there were more Smash players (50) than SFV players (8). This would never happen in Japan.

>>162889815
>all pc gamers want is complete control over their [...] software
>buy all their games digitally on Steam

>>162889867
the binaries are on my hard drive. i own it.

Is street fighter 5 actually going to be good this time?

or is it still hot aids?

>>162889774
damage scaling is retarded in MvC2 so while you can keep doing the ROM if you want it will eventually scale down to 1 damage very quickly. You're also prone to dropping it than finishing it. That's why every Magneto goes for a reset.

The only viable infinites are Iron Man because his photon cannon does unscaled damage no matter how long the combo and Storm's jump loop infinite on Sentinel because Hail Storm DHC into HSF does massive unscaled damage.

>>162889939
Depends on what you want out of a fighter.

>>162889534
Let me guess, you play smash also goober? You expect anyone to take you serious? C'mon man.

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>>162889939
>Is street fighter 5 actually going to be good

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>>162889904
No you don't.
Unless it's free software in which case we all own it.

>>162885460
Thank you Cerebella!

>>162889974
>>162890002

I just wanna slam my opponent and get oki

>>162889676
On what grounds? What's wrong with PC players?

>>162890061
So you want Guilty Gear?

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>>162890061
I got the perfect game for you

>>162890001
I'm a Tobal player. Now open up so Ono can take a dump in your mouth.

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>>162890061
JOIN THE GOOBERS

>>162888649
>UT
>good
Lel, see me at Q3 CPMA

>>162890280
Tobal is legit. I wish they'd make a sequel. Loved the grappling mechanics.

My dad works at street fighter and he says evil ryu is confirmed for season 2

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>>162890280

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pantyhose number one

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>>162890413
sniff clouds number one

>>162890389
they're putting kyle travers in you liar

SAMSHO REVIVAL WHEN

>>162889364
All of that factors into talent. Whether you like it or not, the act of rising to the top above others under the same conditions is all part of talent.

You may call it something else, but that simple fact won't change. Someone has to be better than the others. Now in reality, not everyone will have the same amount of practice, but that doesn't mean that even if they practiced the same amount they would be equals in the game.

It's just stupid to think that. You don't think there is a Japanese player that is young who is currently working as hard as all the Japanese gods of fighting games? Yet they still aren't performing to the same level as those gods.

Why on earth do you think that is?

>>162890638
Samsho sen remastered coming to the ouya next week

>>162890065
Every console games have their community turn to shit when the games go to PC.
Case in point, this thread.

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>>162889939
Depends on how they changed anti airs apart from jabs. They need to make jumping less effective. That is one change the whole community agrees on.

Woshige, you fucking goober. Don't fuck this up.

>>162890757
>under the same conditions
The conditions are never the same.

Talent is a meme.

is there any furry porn of susanoo

>>162890061
But thats what SFV was for the whole first season.
You're getting less of that in season 2. Less dumb 50/50s.

>>162890757
>All of that factors into talent.
Then why do you seperate "talent" from "practice"? Where do you think "talent" comes from?

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>>162890757
I like how you define the top players as the most talented, as if that's an unbreakable piece of evidence that talent is all that matters. This is pure tautology - Why are they top players? Because they're talented. Why are they talented? Because they're top players! What a worthless argument.

Truth is you can never know what propelled somebody to the top. Talent is an excuse people tell themselves to assuage their self-esteem. "It's ok, I never had a chance because I'm not talented so why try in the first place." Defeatist attitude that has no place in this general.

Some of the S2 buffs seem to be more than needed.

Urien and Laura got massively overbuffed, I think.

>>162890982
>>162890857

from the patch notes will Gief or Alex actually be good this time around?

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>>162890524
I hope DoA6 adds stink cloud technology!

>>162891204
what did urien get besides a crossup

>>162890757
Answer this: Where does talent come from? Is it something you're born with? Is it something you get taught? It's hard trying to understand your point if you don't define this.

>>162890909
Of course they aren't you retard. They are never the same for the entire population.

I'm asking you, if 100 players all played the same amount amongst one another, do you think all 100 players would be equal to one another? According to you, they would be because talent does not exist.

I disagree. There will always be someone or a few that are better. In reality, conditions aren't always the exact same. However, conditions in general can be almost alike. Take the Japanese scene for instance. You're telling me that the guys all over 30 are all only better because they practice the most? How is it that young players who are experiencing the same Japanese internet, have access to the same information, get to play the same opponents, etc... still fail to catch up to the Daigos and Tokidos of Japan?

>>162890413
>>162890524
That's not bat wings.

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Has this been posted yet? We know the characters now, everyone.

Personally, I'm glad Helen will be playable. I thought she was hot and wanted her on the roster since her introduction in the cinematic story.

>>162891457
>Daigo practice for 20 years
>Guy 10 years younger practice for 10 years
>"Why can't he catch up?"

>>162891551
That doesn't make sense because Daigo gets blown up by literal 16ers on a regular basis now.

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>>162889280

>>162891002
Talent is different from practice. It is nonsense to suggest that the best players are only the best due to practice. As if players who aren't as good aren't practicing the same amount.

Talent is all of the combined factors that contribute to a player being better than another outside of practice time. That could be how they interpret the game mechanics, how they can react to things, etc...

>>162891181
Nobody said talent is all that matters.

Where on earth are you getting this idea that I think people should give up because they're not talented?

>>162889280
LESSONS LEARNED

>>162891269
Insanely better frame-data on lots of his normals.

His chargeable axe kick is now an anti-crossup tool, his cr.hp is faster and has overall stronger juggle potential (can even cancel the first hit and make a different juggle arc), longer V-Trigger and overall better linking potential.

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>>162891204
What's the Laura buff

my friend told me to get guilty gear for christmas so he has someone to play it with

>>162891551
So in order to catch up to Daigo, you need to practice for 20 years? God damn. That means Nuki must be the only player able to play on Daigo's level!!

Someone go back in a time machine and tell 2010 Infiltration that it's not possible for the young Japanese players to catch up to Daigo! Surely it's not possible to reach that level in 1-2 years after only getting serious with fighting games.

>>162889280
Who cares, you'll play and watch their game anyway.

>>162891751
Yeah, that's how Zato works, Eddie can absorb one hit for him.
Dizzy can do the same shit with her fish.

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>>162884541
play ah

>>162891509
Bald man of oppressive zoning
Mysterious fedora robot
Weeb

fighting games are dead

>>162891514
Is this allowed?

>>162891751
this is why you don't dead angle vs zato, eddie's like armor and eats the hit. but even though the DP whiffed on zato you can still RC it because it technically didn't whiff, you can also jump cancel if you hit eddie with a jc'able normal. dizzy fish works a similar way

>>162891929
>Six Stars still not on console
No

>>162891509
>completely new
>helen and Q

>>162891509
That is a fake image.

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>>162891842
>Street Fighter/Capcom can stand on its name recognition alone

>they never have to make meaningful improvements to their anything

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>>162891929
Rather play bb or doa.

>>162890821
Are you new? /fgg/ was shit 4 years ago as well. The problem isn't PC players in particular. It's new players as a whole. Look at how bad Souls discussions got once Dark Souls got a wide released in the west on both PS3 AND Xbox. Look at how awful the Smash community is now that it's gotten as big as it has. Look at how it became impossible to discuss Final Fantasy once XIII came to Xbox and people that had never played a JRPG started asking stupid questions.

>>162892046
>helen, Q, Sagat, and Sodom

i'm glad that capcom are releasing 5 brand new characters cuz the characters that always ended up getting ported are garbage characters like deejay, rolento, hugo, and adon.

i'm sad that yun and fei aren't getting ported tho.

>>162892250
>/fgg/ was shit 4 years ago as well.
Guess what year SFIV came to PC

>>162891628
>As if players who aren't as good aren't practicing the same amount.
They aren't. Top players practice for 10 hours a day. Bad players probably play once a week.

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>>162892347
2009

>>162892250
We need to replace every modern console with Super Nintendos and Mega Drives. Bring us back to the basics.

https://my.mixtape.moe/mthund.mp4

what is this move called

>>162892250
It's the new players who start inventing dumb us vs them wars to fit in or if they don't invent them, they are the ones who take them seriously.

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>>162891929
How do I get into it? I tried it out once and it felt kind of slow. I like Nitroplus Blasterz more since i just could jump in and it felt like I was actually doing shit. Konoha seemed kind of interesting, but I didn't really know what I was doing. Is it at least still somewhat active on Steam?
>>162891980
>falling for the anime cycle
You might as well get practice in the old version even if it's not the exact same as the new one, as you'll still have more experience with the game than a complete newcomer.

>>162892553
Denjin Hadouken

Can someone explain to me why there are multiple versions of SF games?

For example for IV theres the base game, then theres super SFIV, and Arcade edition.. and then theres also Ultra SFIV


Why don't they just update the base game? Doesn't that split the playerbase to have so many versions?

I feel like if I actually buy SFV and enjoy it I'll just have to buy 3 other versions to keep up. I also don't see why they don't include all of the characters from the get go. I mean the game released with like 20 characters, why?

>>162892553
It's called IQDB: The Animation
>waifuing a low tier character

>>162892516
>bring us back to shit hardware that isn't remotely arcade accurate
At least say Dreamcast if you want to look smart about fighting games, Garou's port notwithstanding

>>162892595
You mash homing until you are at the range of your pokes, then you poke them, once someone blocks you enter a tug of war of homing cancels until someone runs out of meter.

>>162892563
is this why Guilty Gear players are the hottest boogeyman that have somehow transcended calling everyone you disagree with a scrub? Seriously, I hate that buzzword but I would much rather hear that than goober ever again.

>>162892663
It's a "strategic" marketing design to force you to upgrade to the new version if you want access to new characters and balance/system changes.

>>162892787
Is that fun?

>>162892663
sfv won't have new versions
you have the base game and you have to pay money to unlock all the dlc characters or you can grind hundreds if hours for enough in game money to buy 1 character

>tfw no fun JRPGs to play over the Christmas
Nothing to mix my fighting games with. Shit sucks.

>>162892663
>why didn't they just update the game
Friend you come from an age where patches are an every day thing, but it didn't used to be like that in the days of yore. If there was a bug, or something was overpowered that game might not have had internet access, let alone programmed with an update feature to fix that shit. Also because if they make you buy the same game 4 times they make more money.

Anyways SFV isn't releasing multiple versions, they are updating because that's how technology works these days. Do some research kid.

>>162892663
t. PC player

>>162892369
Yeah sure. You hear that guys? If you want to be as good as Daigo, just practice 10 hours a day. As long as you do that, it's impossible to fail. Literally impossible to fail.

Practice is all that matters. The reality is that practice matters a lot, but it won't take you all the way.

>>162892663
Updates are possible now but it wasn't possible with older consoles.

Capcom said "if you have SFV you will never have to buy another version of SFV again" meaning there will be no upgrades that you have to pay for again.

>I also don't see why they don't include all of the characters from the get go. I mean the game released with like 20 characters, why?
Characters take time to develop, SFV shipped in a very early stage without many features but with only the basic gameplay on.

>>162892663
SF4 came out in 2009. Think about how primimtive everything was back then. PS3 was only 3 years old and Japan didn't even know what "DLC" was at the time.

Nips finally started to figure out the concept of DLC by 2011 and Capcom released their 2012 update and also sold USF4 as an online expansion.

>>162892663
Japan and consoles. No, really. SFIV was made for arcade cabinets, and in arcades, it's perfectly acceptable to market patches as new games. Back in the 90s, you couldn't just patch a game. They had to make Ver. Bs and Ver. Cs as new releases to fix bugs and such. Now that cabinets are run on embedded Windows and have netplay, though, so it's more of a force of habit.

>>162892998
I'm playing Shadowverse. It scratches the competitive itch without needing as much focus as fighting games so I can play it when I just want to relax. And it's got some good sniff.

i think marvel infinite would be great with sf5's dlc model cuz i don't think it's possible to reach bloat in a team based fighter. they could just keep piling on characters without any regard for balance and it would still make the game fun as hell. as long as they don't have a god tier character that's good at everything.

>>162893110
Oh no guilty gear lost another player.

>>162893056
Are you the same poster from earlier? You skipped my question >>162891286

>>162892663
You're completely right that it splits the playerbase. And it forces you to buy new versions. SF4 and previous Street Fighters were like that. Almost every fighting game still operates the same way. SFV is different.

That's something Capcom recognized and why SFV doesn't force you to buy dlc. If you buy the base game, you'll still be able to get the patches for balance changes, and you'll still be able to play against the dlc characters and the players who bought the dlc characters.

You just won't be able to use them. In other words, there is no splitting of the online community in SFV.

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>>162892961
Yes, as long as you don't take all the bullshit in the game too seriously.
It's kinda like anime MvC.
The netcode is not that great though, it's like BBCS and P4A level.

>>162893110
I sometimes play OW on the side but MP games are very draining on me. Nothing beats a chill JRPG where you gradually level up as you progress the anime story. It's relaxing as fuck.

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>>162893171
But XrdR is my main game

>>162892998
>finals are over
>open my black friday ps4 and pop in a used $20 copy of star ocean 5
>end up beating the game in 22 hours
>no motivation to do postgame content that requires me to level up to 255
>ffxv looks like shit
are there any other good games on the cuckstation?

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Gargos is the best fighting game boss in recent memory. Prove me wrong

>>162893287
>Windows 10

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>>162893056
With that line of thinking, you might as well never practice. The attitude of "oh, well this guy is much more talented than me, so I might as well not even play" snuffs out people's drive to practice. This is why you aren't seeing any more talent. People think like you and are too busy doing something else instead of playing fighting games. You never know your potential until you keep playing. Do you think Brolylegs has it easy? Of course not, but he kept practicing. You can't give up just because some asian guy that has been playing longer than you can win competitions. Look at Infiltration. Many people will say things like "lol, 09ers all suck" but look at him now. He's the success story that proves that talent can still arise if you don't give up and actually take time to practice. Or how about Nuckledu? That guy is like 20 and won Capcom Cup. You sound like a streamboar that burned out of playing games and would rather talk about people that play video games than actually try to play them yourself since "oh, well, I 'll never be as good as that guy anyway."
>>162892998
Digimon Cyber Sluts

>>162893285
Bloodborne

>>162893287
>fighting game boss
No one gives a fuck about story mode

>>162893343
It's not needed but it's fun to have.

>>162893223
Who takes any fighting game seriously?

>>162893285
Gravity Rush Remastered
Odin Sphere Leifthasir

>>162893280
My point exactly

>>162893402
>muh fun
kill yourself casual scrub

>>162893285
disgaea is fun

>>162892663
Outdated business practice that made sense before internet was used on consoles.

These days only shit companies like ASW abuse it. Everybody else moved on.


And I dont understand what you mean when you say "all" the characters. You think they already have 50+ characters ready?

>>162893407
People who extremely good at them MUCH unlike yourself

>>162893339
>cuckborne
t.miyazaki

>>162893409
never heard of any of them

>>162893454
>weeb shit

>>162893437
Everyone started out as a casual. I'm sure your first thought when you played a fighting game wasn't "lel, this game sucks, it's just unga mash and dash, SFII is for scrubs, play a real game like Virtua Fighter" unless you're literally a 16er that watched Evo on ESPN2 and that was your first experience with fighting games, which would make you a fighting babby kappakid anyway. Besides, casual sales keep games alive. You wouldn't have your 200,000 dollar prize pools if it weren't for little billy mashing with Ken for a week or two. Show some respect.

>>162893498
Why do you assume I'm bad? I've put 300 hours into SFV and like 50 into GG. I just don't treat fighting games like I'm in an episode of Yugioh where I have a heart attack if I lose or if a game isn't perfectly balanced. This is not one of your Japanese animes. There is no need to hold your opponent's grandpa hostage in order to win his stick in an ante money match.

>>162893527
>cuck
>weeb
>never heard of them
I have a game for you. It's called go choke yourself on nigger dick.

>>162893578
There was a time when casuals also just played 1v1.

That was what fighting games were all about in the 90s. Getting your friends over and playing together.

Single player in fighters fucking sucks. Was even worse when characters were locked behind some shit like that.

Bold prediction: Skullzor outplaces 801 strider next evo

>>162893285
parappa the rapper 2

>>162893665
Casuals now care more about story if a game doesn't let them play on a team. If casual normalfags want a multiplayer game, it has to be something where they can blame their bros for their loss like CoD or DotA. The only 1v1 game casuals like nowadays is Hearthstone.

>>162893743
def jam vendetta

>>162893643
Don't talk to me unless your AT LEAST ultra plat in SFV without using a braindead character.

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>>162893527
What exactly is a "weeb" game? The term has seemingly lost all meaning and I don't even know what it denotes anymore. Would it describe any of the following?
>has an "anime" artstyle that panders to otaku in order to get them to waste money on virtual girlfriends? (e.g. Neptunia)
>does not use what people instantly perceive as an anime art style, but still has crazy over the top fighting and action associated with anime? (e.g., Devil May Cry)
>about Japanese mythology or history? (e.g. Nobunaga's Ambition)
>about "normal" stuff that just happens to take place in Japan. (e.g. 98 Koshien)
>developed by Japanese people, even if it isn't about Japan or features Japanese characters. (e.g. Operation Europe)
If so, I can see problems with all 5 of those definitions.
1. Even if it's an anime game without waifu pandering, e.g. Fist of the North Star for the PS2 or Legend of the Galactic Heroes, it's still based on an anime franchise. Would these shows not be "weeb" because you don't perceive them as embarrassing?
2. Even if the characters are white, doesn't the ridiculous nature still matter? Why would it matter if the characters are not canonically asian?
3. By this board's definition, wouldn't Japanese mythology or history only be interesting to weeaboos? How is an interest in samurai less "weeaboo" than an interest in, say anime or Japanese pro wrestling? Because it actually happened? The same could be said of numerous deplorable events in history, but you're not studying the Tuol Sleng Genocide and glorifying Pol Pot.
4.Couldn't it be argued that you only care because it's about Japanese characters? How likely would you be to play a game that's the Indian or Kenyan equivalent of a game like Yakuza?
5. It was still developed by Japanese people, so shouldn't that "taint" it?
Is this just simple racism now? Have we reached the point where the term no longer means an obsession with Japan's superiority but just anything associated with the country's output at all?

>>162893854
fist of the north star for nes

>>162893854
Shut up weeb

>>162893843
lol, name a character in SFV that is not braindead besides F.A.N.G.

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>>162893743
All porn stars are disgusting anyway. Find a nice pure girl instead of looking at diseased whores.

Then play Sonic the Fighters

>>162893854
WEEB IS BAD THINGS I DON'T LIKE BUT LACK THE INTELLIGENCE AND VOCABULARY TO EXPRESS MYSELF JUST WHY

>>162893930
Nash, ROO, Alex, urine, guile and Juri

>>162893183
Talent comes from a lot of places. For some reason in your life you might have a way of thinking that others don't have. You might have better reactions. It might be due to getting exposed to the fighting game at such an early age.

Whatever the case, all of these factors go into Talent in my eyes or the things that separate a player's skill apart from practice.I personally think in Japan, the more talented players came from the arcade scene from 10-15 years ago, when the arcade population of players was at its highest. And that's because I believe arcades are the best way to develop talent or raise the communities skill level. I think arcades are the best place to share information.

I don't think that the same is true for the United States or Europe. I personally think the current online age is the better condition for producing talent in those two areas. The reason being that everything is so spread out and that the arcade population in those cities weren't as big as a Tokyo or Osaka. Because the population in those arcades weren't as big, you only had a small amount of competitive players. Now online gets you playing top level players more frequently and lets you share information much better.

So to me talent is a general term that puts all the non-practice factors together. I still believe practice is super important, but I think there is that talent factor that separates some players from the rest of the population.

I have no way else of explaining why most of the best Japanese players are 30+ years old. I believe those players were the players at the top of their respective games and then all came to SF (like Fuudo said).

Some of the best of their respective games and the new gods that came to be the best
>Guilty Gear background: Kazunoko, Nemo
>VS background: Haitani, Sako
>KOF: Xiaohai, Xyzzy, NL, Xian, Poongko
>Marvel: Justin Wong
>Virtua Fighter: Fuudo, Itazan
>SF/CvS: Daigo, Tokido, MOV, Mago, Momochi, Infiltration

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>>162893927
Is Pacific Theater of Operations a weeaboo game? Is it more or less weeaboo than Kantai Collection? Both are about Japanese boats fighting in World War II, so I fail to see the difference.

>>162893854
Its a word that lost all meaning just like meme

>>162893753
Hearthstone has enough variance that casuals can blame losses on RNG.
Even in the beginning of online gaming with Quake the most popular modes were TDM and Team Fortress.
>>162894050
Don't forget "things I don't judge fairly for petty reasons so I better look down upon people who do"

>>162893330
No. Just because I think talent exists doesn't mean I don't believe in practice. I think practice can take you far, and players who are starting out have no idea what their top level (after so much practice) is.

I think Infil is a perfect example. Guy started to take fighting games serious in 2009. His way of thinking allowed him to practice super efficiently and rise to the top. Poongko despite grinding way more than Infil doesn't achieve the things Infil does. And Poongko is probably more talented than a shit load of players who also grind the same amount as he does.

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>we'll fix the low tiers we swear
>ok maybe the new system changes are a nerf to them but we gave them a couple new combos!!
capcom is really infuriating

>>162894145
Yes.

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>>162894070
>Nash
Mindless zoner with a teleport
>隆
low iq addition subtraction shoto with an invincible DP
>Alex
Mika for people too embarrassed to admit they're waifufags, a grappler for people that love to play Guess Fighter V more than SFV
>Urien
another mindless zoner that no one actually likes that people are only happy about because he's viable for once
>Guile
A charge character that's supposed to be defensive but is now the same ape jump in assault character as almost everyone else in this game. I've seen more variation at a Hitler youth parade
>Jyoo Lee
Korean dog that only knows how to roll over.

Seriously, at this point, with these choices, you might as well choose Ibuki as not braindead since she has to put in so much more effort to win, given her limited ammunition projectile and lack of chances to replenish it

>>162894139
You haven't actually said where does talent come from.

>For some reason in your life you might have a way of thinking that others don't have.
What reasons? Give exemples.

>You might have better reactions.
From where? Innate or learned?

>It might be due to getting exposed to the fighting game at such an early age.
Doesn't that just mean you've been practicing longer?

>I believe arcades are the best way to develop talent
Isn't that the same as saying "arcades are the best way to practice"?

>I personally think the current online age is the better condition for producing talent in those two areas.
Isn't that the same as saying "the current online age is the better condition for practicing in those two areas."?

>So to me talent is a general term that puts all the non-practice factors together.
You need to give better exemple, because so far half of them are just a form of practice and the other half are vague.

>I have no way else of explaining why most of the best Japanese players are 30+ years old.
They have been playing (read: practicing) fighting games longer than the rest, how does it not make sense? Those guys didn't hit a plateau. While newcomers come and train, they start at where the gods were 10 years ago, while the gods keep on improving. Is that not practice?

real autism hours huh

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=818338014

>>162893930
rashid

did ibuki get buffed

>>162894593
Yeah, I can't believe people are having discussions, fucking goobers and capcucks am I right?

>>162894505
Back to guilty gear goober.

>>162894309
You can now get called a weeaboo for disliking Japanese things, in fact. I posted a rant about why I hated Gintama and got the response of "What kind of weeaboo faggot puts this much effort towards hating some shitty anime?"

>>162894717
>Hating on Gintama
Dumb weeb faggot I bet you watch K-On

>>162894314
So you should stop playing if you are never going to be as good as the best? This way of thinking will really kill fighting games.

>>162894683
But I play Street Fighter IV, a thinking man's game.
>>162894623
>literally gains damage from mashing
nice try. Not to mention his "unique" zoning that really isn't anything air punishing.

>>162894629
yes

ok so lets say there's a shitter in fightans. like, started playing a few months ago and barely knows the basics. like gold level in sfv online

how much would one improve after going daily 3-4hrs to a jap/korean arcade and having the right mindset to learn and improve? and was able to speak the local language with the players. could that guy then come back to the west and be better than older western players that haven't had that "bootcamp" practice?

(i think the best place for this would be green arcade in korea for tekken, i believe most pros just go there. in japan the talent of any game is probably more scattered )

>>162894717
>hating gintama
opinion discarded

>>162894902
There's no one magic method for anything.

>>162894717
why would you hate gintama

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https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/5imn91/all_of_the_gief_changes_we_found_so_far_for_s2/

>crLP now +4 on hit (down from +5), loses combo into stLK
>SPD: damage changed to 180/200/220/220 (down from 180/220/240/240), stun values remain the same
>back tech still possible after lariat

I don't understand.

>>162894880
But you only mash on hitconfirm when you want a knockdown, more options is higher iq

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>>162894767
>calling someone weeaboo for hating a show about the Meiji Restoration where half of the jokes are Japanese puns or Shonen Jump references
I hate K-On as well if it makes you feel any better.
>>162894938
>>162894997
It's just randumb non-sequitur, but not even done in an entertaining way like Cromartie (or fuck, even Bobobo) where you're not meant to take it seriously and the mangaka took the effort to make the puns and references at least somewhat clever and marginally related to the topic at hand. It's just dudes saying stupid shit half of the time, e.g. "I hate 3 things. Girls that get too excited about school festivals, guys that pretend to care about school festivals to get close to girls, and rowdy thugs" or however that stupid line went in the episode about the pop star. Either way, what the fuck did any of that other shit have to do with Gintoki getting ready to fight those guys? It was just stupid for the sake of being stupid and served no purpose other than a waste of time. The whole show is basically that, from what I recall. Not to mention it's just a boring slog of characters discussing shit that doesn't matter in between having over the top reactions to shit they should be used to by now and sometimes lacking self awareness in situations, they should, again, be used to. (Why does Shimura get on Gintoki for reading Jump when he's the leader of the fanclub for some teenaged girl?) Watched 20 episodes and read 6 volumes. Just couldn't take it anymore. It's better than garbage like Lucky Star's take on "humor," but that's not really saying much.
Imagine if The Flintstones randomly had Fred talk about how he was going to hunt a tiger to stop it from attacking a dinosaur baby that was holding onto a pair of stone cufflinks. This is basically the kind of random stupid nonsense that Ginatama thinks constitutes a joke.

Everyone else is free to like it, of course, but it's really not my cup of tea. Kinnikuman is much funnier.

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>>162895016

>>162894880
>mashing
lmfao
>>162895016
>gief
lmfao

>urien is now god tier

>>162895016
I feel really sad for Gief players.

>>162894973
there are no magic methods but im sure practicing with top/tier2 or 3 players in arcade would achieve better results than grinding mindlessly online

for example, they could point out bad habits that maybe if you played alone you wouldn't see

>>162887081
UMVC3 looks way better than this trash

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>>162895031
>has a free knockdown option
>high iq
GG has an I win with an instant kill button as well. High IQ, right?
>>162895132
Problem?

>>162894794
Its nothing but a shitty excuse to not try.
Its the modern destiny wank.
Oh I wasnt chosen by god to become the best? Might as well give up.

>>162894902
I have a friend that became much better at Tekken after being in the Philippines for a year with the Marines. Try that.

>>162894510
>What reasons?
I'm supposed to explain why some people are better able to analyze something?
>From where?
I think it's a combination of innate and learned. You have to be exposed to the situation numerous times in order to react.
>Doesn't that mean you've been practicing longer?
No. I think it's fairly common knowledge that people who practice something at an early age are better able to grasp something than starting out at a much older age. For example, in soccer, a kid's technique level kind of stops growing at around age 16 (at the highest levels). So someone who is 18 will not improve their technique simply because they try. Obviously every shitty player can improve their technique past age 16 to a certain point. At the top level however, what I said rings true.

>Isn't that the same as saying "arcades are the best way to practice"
Yes that is. However, my point about arcades is that not only are they the best place to practice, but the player that emerges from that arcade will be much better than someone who practices elsewhere, no matter the amount of practice hours.

So if you were to magically transport Art to Japan and he got to practice in the very same arcades as Daigo, that does not mean that he will be at the same level as Daigo. It doesn't matter how hard he tries. He will certainly improve, but it won't suddenly turn him to a god. The reason being that he became what he is at the smaller arcade scene in New York.

A hypothetical: Let's say you take the #1 player from the arcade scene of 100 players and then put him up against the #1 player from the arcade scene of 1000 players. Who do you think will win? I think that is exact same situation that an American faced going up against Daigo (the #1 player in Japan back then) a decade or so ago.

>give better example
Well I think talent is a vague term.

You're ignoring the countless of examples of players that reached the top fairly quickly. Infiltration is a perfect example.

>>162895240
But it's not free, I think you should play the game family

>>162892595
>AH3
>slow

Anon

No

>>162895332
All you have to do is get in. Once you've gotten in and do the move, the only cost of getting a knockdown is pushing the buttons a few more times

>>162895393
No one tells him

>>162895369
it does seem kinda slow without proper homing desu

>>162895393
real /v/ hours

>>162894794
Why on earth do you think I am saying you should stop playing? What is the matter with you? First of all, new players have no idea what their top level is after so much practice. So talent doesn't dissuade new players from trying.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with being satisfied of your limit. Fightng games or any game is fun to a lot of people.

Finally, being the best isn't always the goal. Maybe you just like getting challenged by the top level of players.Maybe you just want to push yourself as far as you can go.

>>162895330
Infiltration doesn't play in arcades, isn't young, and started playing fighting when he was already an adult.

>>162895393
Are you past bronze rank by any chance?

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wait a minute, so let me get this straight, if i buy goober gear reloaded, i have the buy the new characters too!?!?

Is Gief still trash?

>>162895548
Yes, same as the PS4 version.

>>162895548
Yes no free characters for you pc scum

Why does everyone here attack each other's preference for fighting games holy fuck for being a fighting game general there's a lot of infighting. If you are gonna bash something bash other genres. God damn show some unity.

>>162895434
Well, yeah, but that's like saying ST has bad fireballs if you don't do them properly.

>>162895643

Raven and Kum were free for the first two weeks of PS4 launch.

>>162895738
there is light banter (kermit, ken's face, 40002, etc) and then there is autism (mostly from the gg community)

>>162895738
it's just banter

>>162895785
Dizzy was free too when she came out.

>>162895738
do you have a vagina?

>>162895785
If you had a PS4 at the launch of Revelator, I'm sure you don't care about the PC version of the game and can just keep playing on cosnole.

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>>162895780
well from his post it seems like he's barely played it, so from a beginner prospective it is slow

>>162895873
>liar goober deflecting
pc launch was not the same as ps4 launch dumb oddness goober

>>162895873
the only requirement was a PSN account

>>162895738
You know I gotta be honest, /fgg/, a lot of people are calling you out on your fraudulent and expossable bullshit. And you know what? A lot of people might say that its most of you or that it's all of you, and we all understand that it's not.
Well the people, with common sense, anyway. And to an extent, it may not even be most of you, but from the outside looking in, give me three things that would make me want to join your community, because in League of /lolg/, csgo general,
I've never heard of such trivial bullshit ever in my life. We have come to the point where it's not fighting game community. We have like five different fighting game communities. We have the anime fgc, the Capcom fgc, the NRS community,
smaller games like skullgirls, because now, it's gotten to the point where because I play capcom game, I could just shit on everybody else because it's a Capcom game. Or because I play injustice or mortal kombat I can say that the
Capcom people are just stuck-up elitists dickheads. Or if I play Capcom or NRS, I can talk about anime fighters say they just want to look at that new waifu in HD. Seriously? Because I play a different game you, you can shit on me
because I play a different game. That shit's gotta go. There's no place for that. That shit's fucking retarded. End that.

>>162895925
If I'm part of the master race, why would I need a PSN account? Why would I own any consoles?

>>162895806
You must have autism or hypersensitivity if you think GG player posts are any more serious than kermitposting.

>>162895016
See >>162891842