/dsg/ - Dark Souls General

>>162531169
why do feel the need to make a thread so early? so that you can put your trip there and claim it as your thread?
you are one hell of an attention seeking faggot

I want to fuck fromsoft

>>162531548
I made it after 750 posts, which is the bump limit on /vg/. It hasn't been 1000 for a very long time now.

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Morning boys.

Anyone on PC up for some jolly coop?

>>162531623
Whoops, forgot to put my trip back on after linking the thread

Is there SL80 pvp in DS1 anymore? Or is it just 120-140 SL at the township / kiln?

DLC2 fucking when ?

>>162532170
There was never level 80 PvP. There was 120 and 70. 70 was just a niche thing we did. It's probably dead other than random invasions at this point.

>>162532259
>There was never level 80 PvP.
Jesus, Lucifer. Why even open your mouth if you don't know shit?
Level 80 PvP was a very distinct thing for a while, especially pre-DLC, but a while into it, too. Eventually it got replaced because all the hot twitch kiddies needed more stats for their shitty builds.

>>162532256
March, anon.

>>162532376
>>162532259
>>162532170
I distictly remember SL80 and SL120 being the breakpoints, with 80 being forest covenant or parish invasions, and SL120 being township and kiln of the first flame.

Not sure what it's like now

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>>162531714
I wonder if people think I'm you when they meet me in game and my character's name is Cifer.

I hope not.

>>162532376
It was level 70, bro, and it came after the 120 meta. 120 was the meta at launch because of DeS. The 70 meta died when they nerfed the DWGR.

>>162532462
It was 70 because that was what my Forest Gank hunter was, and we had consistent level 70 duels in the painted world.

>>162532504
Probably. My character names have nothing to do with lucifer though.

>>162532558
>insisting on being wrong
wat

Literally everyone who cares about this knows you're wrong, why even argue?

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>>162532558
Yeah, don't take it personally I just don't want people to think I'm a namefag.

I love doing coop and I don't want anything deterring people from summoning me/putting password signs down.

>>162532593
If you actually believed that then you wouldn't be arguing about it.

>>162531646
i can go through some area with you

>>162532687
Lad, it's not an argument if it's just you trying to argue. I simply corrected you. You're the one who insists on a falsehood.

>>162532763
Oh, it's just you the "le opinion" kid again.

>>162532856
Maybe you should go post in a place with usernames instead since the anon system is clearly confusing you.

>>162531646

I'd love to, but I have a meeting in one hour. Please do some coop later too!

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Stop, guys. Please. Just stop responding to it.

>>162533068
In my defense, I was correcting him on something that he misinformed another anon about.

how useful is a build that can use any weapon but morne's and mlgs at sl125?

do people get caught off guard at all?

How can people play bloodborne? I originally beat DeS/DaS2/3 on Ps3 and then BB, but after having replayed all the games on PC, trying to go back to BB was impossible, even the 30 fps on DaS 1 was okay because it was locked, BB is a constant stuttering mess.

>>162532376
This is a bit depressing. I wanted to make a one-shot greatsword build, but everyone at SL120 is going to have enough health to take a at least 1-2 hits unless they're a mage or I use power within.

And there's no point in using power within unless I'm going with the "don't get hit once" strategy, which negates the point of using poise to get counter hits.

Most people running SL120 have at least 40 vit, right?

>>162533282
>do people get caught off guard at all?
Do you switch weapons mid-fight?

If not, not at all. If you do, you can surprise them by whipping out a very large weapon suddenly to fuck up their spacing.

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Could someone give me a (You)?

>>162533428
>40 vit
A lot stop at 1000 vit and average about 1200, but I believe you can reach a max of 1500 if you only pump up one attack stat, so be wary of pure str/dex weapons

@162533529

Yeah sure

>>162533581
>1000 vit
and by that I mean 1000 HP, oops

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>>162532750
Neat! Lets do Cathedral first. I already cleared out the lower half, so I'm going up through the graveyard now.

Put your sign in the Cleansing Chapel, Pass is dsg

I'll be ready in about 15 minutes.

dear 162533529

money is short at this time of year and i've already gifted all of my spare (You)s to friends and family. i'm sure you understand

i hope you find what you're looking for

love

anon

>>162532750
Are you there?

>>162534424
yes

>>162531714
Keep your trip on so people can filter you.

All these DS3 pvp videos make me question wanting to get the game

I liked the heavy, more realistic feeling melee combat in DS1 and DS2 but all I'm seeing from DS3 is flips and spins and crazy weapon sets that look gimmicky as fuck.

Basically DS1-ish physics with DS2's backstabs and weapons would be ideal

>>162533529
Here you go, cutie

>>162534681

PvP in all the games is dogshit, the best weapons are pretty simple though

>>162534681
>all I'm seeing from DS3 is flips and spins and crazy weapon sets that look gimmicky as fuck.

The weapon movesets aren't bad imo, they're pretty good actually.

However you've got a point about the game being less tactical due to the op dodgerolls that are the default roll. In Demon's Souls / Dark Souls 1 you had to sacrifice armor for mobility, but in Dark Souls 3, there's no real reason to ever manage your equip load / take off armor because you get hit with flat penalties for not having a full set on and the only use for armor is to gain hyperarmor at high level level.

Which is better than nothing, the hyperarmor is now much better than in release, but it still feels like the game tried to become Bloodborne without fully managing to.

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>>162533529
more priscy-chan plox

>>162534531
I did a terrible job avoiding that guy's SUAIHANDUR, sorry bout that.

Lets try this again, I got plenty of embers.

>>162535217
ok

>>162535037
I enjoy DS2 SL150 the most because you can do solid 2-3 hit kills, and having infusions/spells are a huge compromise to your damage and health. DS3 looks like the exact opposite, so the spells you do have need to work very cohesively with your stats.

>>162535320
those were meant to be separate sentences


I enjoy DS2 SL150 the most because you can do solid 2-3 hit kills, and having infusions/spells are a huge compromise to your damage and health, so the spells you do have need to work very cohesively with your stats.

DS3 looks like the exact opposite.

How do I get past the Road Of Sacrifice without it crashing constantly?

>>162534681
DS3 is worth a playthrough for the atmosphere and bosses but it's probably the least replayable game in the series.

Hey guys. Just started dark souls 2 for the first time. I played 3 and bloodborne and i am the ultra greatsword type of guy but i like to use magic for range so, is a str int hybrid good? And what is the meta? And where the fuck do i need to go when i am at the blacksmith[spoiler/]

>>162535871
There is no dark souls 2 meta. That game has the worst pvp system of all time

>>162535871
>what is the meta?
There's no reason to not keep leveling because of the Soul memery fuckery.

>where the fuck do I need to go
The recommended route is a path that starts right from the bonfire. Just go to where the sea is to your right and you should be getting to Forest of Fallen Giants.

Oh, and level ADP until your agility is something like 93. That helps a LOT in the start.

>>162535902
>>162535990
Thanks senpais, how is the magic?
I really like flashy stuff like enchanting my weapons and fire stuff.

>>162535871
DaS2 is the most hybrid-friendly game in the series. You can buff/infuse almost every weapon, and even buff an infused one.
There's even an Ultra Greatsword from one of the DLC bosses that deals partial magic damage and has int scaling.

The meta is Estoc turtles as usual for any "old" Souls game.

I don't understand your last question.

>>162535902
Funny way of misspelling either "dark souls 3" or "best", pick one.

>>162535037

Rolls really aren't as big of a deal as people make them out to be, roll catching has become a pretty popular skill people have developed and can be used to outright kill people from full health if they keep panic rolling. It's just something you have to be prepared for, often people carry at least 2 weapons on them and 1 of them should be able to run people down and/or roll catch people trying to get away.

Feels like a lot of noobies don't understand a lot of the subtleties in DaS3 PvP. A lot of it is about spacing and timing and versatility of your loadout and consumables and ring selection, especially in invasions. None of these things are particularly flashy so noobies thing they're lame because they just see the surface unfortunately. Like you see someone get parry one-shotted and don't understand what went into baiting someone into that parry or timing it they just think "oh he just pressed L2 and he won I guess... guess I shouldn't get this lame game then" apparently.

>>162536140
When you come to this beautiful village for the first time where the sentinel guy is depressive and edgy at the top of that stone. There is this Blacksmith but he lost his key and tells me to bring him his key. I can't find it, and don't know where to go, this game is way more open than ds3 or bb so i feel a bit overwhelmed.

>>162536078
>Thanks senpais, how is the magic?
The magic is pretty good and fun imo.
You can aim spells by using the binoculars in the left hand weapon slot and then putting the catalyst into the right hand.

Btw, Dark Souls 2 has hand-independent movesets for weapons so you can pair up pretty much any two weapons and left hand weapons still get their full one-handed movesets.

You can infuse catalysts as well so for example if you want to use miracles, infuse your miracle chime with lightning.

>>162536163
> It's just something you have to be prepared for, often people carry at least 2 weapons on them and 1 of them should be able to run people down and/or roll catch people trying to get away.
I know I should be doing this, but I can't stand wielding katanas.
Is there any other weapon that rollcatches as well as the balancing pole?

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>co-op'ing with buddies
>we beat the Dancer in my world
>walk out of the boss room to put down my white sign so I can get summoned for their Dancer fight
>I get invaded

wat

>>162536367
Face the sea and follow the coast right, you should find a path marked by a lit sconce that heads into the Forest of Fallen Giants.

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>>162535315
Thanks a lot friend! I've done so many playthroughs now that its nice to do the early levels quickly.

>>162536460
Did you kill Vordt?

>>162536367
You'll find the key as you progress in the game naturally, don't sweat it.

>>162536163
I was mostly talking about in terms of PvE. Not much of a PVP guy and I dislike paying for Live.

>>162536404

Spears are good, as are curved swords. You can also roll catch pretty effectively with straight swords, thrusting swords, and axes depending on your preferences (SS's are the easiest). It's not just running R1's but often it's about jogging up to the enemy's character model, and when they roll you hit R1 at the right time and you land the hit just as they come out of iframes, if you want to see an example just watch iSkys's VOD's since he is basically the roll catch king.

Halberds are good too if you get the timing down, if you're pure strength you can still use gundyr's halberd. I roll catch pretty damn effectively with the RH halberd too because it has good reach and the tracking on the 1H'd attacks are just insane.

>>162536572

Yes, of course.

>>162536634
My primary weapon is a greatsword. I can rollcatch with standing R1s at times, but I'm not sure how reliable this is.

Does darksouls2 flask work like in bloodborne? Or am I using these stones the wrong way? And why is my health locked after i die, how do i get it back. I feel like this will be harder than bb and ds3, i am scared.

>>162536604
>You'll find the key as you progress in the game naturally, don't sweat it.
You're never forced to go into the FoFG until after Dragon Shrine. While it's a little hard to miss, it's very possible.

>>162536604

>I was mostly talking about in terms of PvE. Not much of a PVP guy

Fair enough, just know the longevity of play time in the game is through stuff like invasions. I'd say when I played through DaS3 for the first time on a blind playthrough it was a great experience, I just used a 2 handed lothric knight long spear (a pike) and got gud at rolling.

I can't really understand people who play through the single player a bunch of times though, I've done it myself but it was mostly just a chore of a speedrun to get my invasion characters set up at different SL's. I have almost 600 hours in DaS3 now and probably 500 or so of that is purely from pontiff duels (which is what I used to do, for around 200 hours probably) and invasions, I can't imagine someone doing that much PvE in any souls game seems like it'd get incredibly repetitive and boring fighting the same AI over and over.

>>162536704
Dark Souls 2's flask system is that you find more shards for your Estus flask gradually and you can use the Lifegem consumables to restore your health in the meanwhile.

>And why is my health locked after i die, how do i get it back

Your health decreases by 5% each time you die, a ring cuts the health decrease in half. The health loss stops at 50%.

You can get the health back by using a Human Effigy item on yourself.

>I feel like this will be harder than bb and ds3
The start can feel somewhat punishing but barring the DLC content, it's definitely the easiest Souls game.

>>162536704
DaS1 and BB are the only games out of the 5 Soulsborne games without a death penalty.
DeS cuts your health in half on death, or to 75% if you sacrifice one of your two ring slots.
DaS2 cuts it by 5% per death, up to 50% in 10 deaths, or up to 75% if you sacrifice one of your four ring slots.
DaS3 calculates "dead" health as the base, so dying removes your 30% health bonus.

Lifegems are kind of like slow Blood Vials, but you also get a renewable Estus Flask by talking to the Emerald Herald in Majula.

>>162536704
>Does darksouls2 flask work like in bloodborne?
No. They work like DS3 flasks but you don't drink them as quickly.

>Or am I using these stones the wrong way?
The stones are not flasks. They're regen items, much weaker but more available.

>And why is my health locked after i die,
You're going hollow. The more hollow you become, the less your max health will be. Consuming a human effigy will reverse this. There is also a ring eventually that caps the health penalty at 75%.

> I feel like this will be harder than bb and ds3, i am scared.
I haven't played BB but I'm not sure it's harder than DS3 on the whole, just different. I'd say on average the levels are harder but the bosses easier.

>>162536753
>While it's a little hard to miss, it's very possible.
That's true but that's why I was guiding him towards the Forest of Fallen Giants in the first place...

>>162536874
i have ~800 hours and i mostly do meme runs and sl1 fights with different weapons, i still find the game interesting because i learn new things from time to time

>>162536676

It's very reliable once you get the timing down, it really depends on whether people are panic rolling or not. A good player won't panic roll and will instead watch you and wait for you to actually begin the attack animation before they roll, you'll know this if they get up from being knocked down and don't immediately roll even though you're right on top of them. Most players panic roll though, most players are bad at the game. It mostly just takes practice, you mostly want to get the timing down so that if they're on the ground you're expecting them to immediately panic roll away and you time your attack roughly around the same time they start the roll.

But yeah like I said I gave you plenty of options there. A greatsword with a straight sword (often lothric knight sword) as the 2nd weapon is pretty popular these days. Otherwise gave you plenty of options in my previous post to choose from. I like using a RH halberd and a spear as my second weapon personally, great for running people down after parrying or backstabbing them. It's very hard to get away from a competent spear user.

>>162536875
>it's definitely the easiest Souls game
I find it funny how I've heard this said about literally all of them.

>DeS is the easiest Souls game because every boss has some crippling weakness or easy cheese, and magic breaks the game in half
>DaS1 is the easiest Souls game because you can just use Drake Sword pre-Sen's or full Havel's and a big weapon post-Sen's and mash R1 through the game, don't even need to ever roll again in the post-Lordvessel areas; also shields are OP
>DaS2 is the easiest Souls game because lifegems and Agility, also a shitload of overpowered NPC phantoms/shades
>DaS3 is the easiest Souls game because rolls cost no stamina and have infinite iframes, and you can just stunlock or visceral most enemies even if you can't backstab them
>Bloodborne is the easiest Souls game because you can lifesteal with Rally?

Anyone wanna help me with Pontiff Sulyvahn?
I'd just like to beat him quickly and get that over with, not a fan of his fight at all second phase drives me bonkers. I'm on PC if anyone wants to help password is dsg.

>>162537310
Get good

>>162537310
The second phase is easier than the first phase though.

>>162537083

Different strokes for different folks, I s'pose. Literally everything is viable in PvE so it's generally not worth discussing. There are plenty of meme builds you can do in DaS3 if that's what you're getting at.

>>162537310
Try summoning.

I beat the Pontiff at level 5 or so by just summoning all available phantoms. You can cheese a lot of the bosses with summons, even without the infinite health glitch.

>>162537201
To be fair, the healing systems in pretty much all games needs some tweaking to really be perfect, but DaS 1 was probably the closest they got.

>>162537337
>>162537373
I'm half asleep actually. I should probably quit playing but I'd like to get this done. Suppose I'll just help other people if I can and learn the attacks.

>>162537426
I suppose that's worth a shot there's two here I could use as distractions.

>>162537452
>DaS 1 was probably the closest they got

I disagree, once you got good enough to retain your humanity and knew how to get the rite of kindling you could trivialize much of the game.

IMO DS3 is nearly perfect but phantoms and invaders shouldn't have their estus halved.

>>162537808
I agree, I think the way you gradually lost HP with each successive death until you became human in DaS 2 was neat.

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Coop bro here again.

I'm gonna tackle Farron Keep now. I only need to extinguish the final flame to open the door to the Keep Perimeter area. Then its onto one of the best bossfights in the entire series, atmosphere-wise.

I'll be at Old Wolf bonfire in 5. Pass is still dsg if anyone wants to join.

>>162537892
I also liked that, but mostly for the pyro flame that scaled with your hollowing. You could make a really good danger pyro in DS2.

>playing in the arena
>I'm the only one approaching, opponent just backpedals
>I get a few unfavourable trades, he has higher HP
>I just stop attacking and stand completely still
>he starts clapping, then sits
>it's a draw

what the fuck is wrong with people?

>>162536460

Anyone? Is this a bug?

>>162538275
>playing in the arena
Found your problem fampai

>>162537808
>IMO DS3 is nearly perfect but phantoms and invaders shouldn't have their estus halved.
Phantoms should. Invaders shouldn't. This would fix a lot of shit about current invasion system as the only way to outheal the host is by running back to enemies and abusing regen gear.

>>162538275
that's "high skill reactive play"

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>>162538275
arena is a concentration camp for all the shittiest elements of souls community
which is why i never play on it after getting double gold with my character aside from occasional free for alls with my casters just to make people extremely mad

>>162535871
>>162535902
>>162536078

These guys have no idea what they're talking about. DS2 pvp is the best in the series (though souls pvp generally sucks)

The meta is built around counter damage and magic vs physical buffs. Poise isn't worth stacking anymore but physical defense can make you basically immune to weapons under 400 AR.

Some things about the meta:

1. Counter modifiers apply to ALL attacks, not just thrust. So 150 counter modifiers on Katanas mean they do 1.5x damage whenever you hit someone during their windup/cooldown phase.
3. Physical defense is a flat reduction. Elemental defense is scalar. So each point of defense or AR matters much, much more for lower AR than for higher AR physically.
2. Elemental buffing multiplies any existing elemental damage. Since elemental defense is scalar, that means low AR weapons reap huge benefits (2-3x damage) from infusing + buffing. Pure physical doesn't become better until you get some late-game buffs.Late game also allows for much higher elemental defense (dispelling ring, etc.) so that makes physical even better.
3. It's way too difficult to stack poise and poise is way too easily destroyed to really worry about it. It's only purpose is to give yourself less severe stagger against 1H small weapons (daggers, rapiers, etc.). There's a huge difference between 1H and 2H poise destruction though, so anyone 2Hing a weapon is going to be able to do full stagger no matter what.
4. Poison > Bleed in all cases. Bleed is extremely hard to execute and only does 200 damage. Poison will do ~1000 damage over time.

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>damage difference between parting flame and normal flame is AT BEST 100 damage, and that's against pus of man, enemies with weakest fire defence in the game
>around 30 for vestiges in pvp, around 5 damage per tick for fire surge
>in exchange for way stronger black flame, damage bonus if you hit someone with vestiges point blank and ability to get free estus flasks

>>162537808

Invaders should have equal estus to host

>>162538885
>Counter modifiers apply to ALL attacks, not just thrust
This sounds absolutely retarded, what the fuck they were thinking?

>>162538885
>>162538973

Counter attacks have always applies to more attacks than thrusts, it's just more noticeable when you're using the Leo Ring and thrust attacks.

>>162538892
Black flame + combustion is stronger than parting black flame. So unless you go full pyro with parting black flame followed by off hand combustion, default flame is better

>>162539051
>>162538973
Counter damage isn't about the move anymore, but the WEAPON. So Katanas have higher counter damage than straight swords, but lower base AR. So it's a risk/reward scenario with picking between two weapons. Leo ring still only applies to thrust attacks though, but the boost is lower.

>>162538885
Did you just use scalar for no reason other than to make yourself seem smarter

>>162539452
scalar was faster to type and more accurate than "percentage based"

>>162539557
Except it doesn't convey that meaning at all.

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>>162539530

>playing das2
>finally got the flame swathe parry
if this is being a shitter i have no regrets

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>put sign down in Ariandel Chapel
>host summons me and 2 others
>we all get ready and go down the stairs
>host leaves chapel
>?
>he goes all the fucking way down the broken bridge to the gravetender boss fight

>>162539301
parting flame black flame has faster startup which makes it far more useful than just a bit more damage

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>>162539530
BANN

>>162539830
>parting flame black flame has faster startup
That's not how it works.

>>162539830
At point blank only

Can anyone link that "black flame feasting on n00bz" video?

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>>162538275
>opponent is being a passivefag
>i then start being one aswell
>also i never attack them only dodge to draw out the match

seeing how they progressively start getting more frustrated and using gestures is kinda satisfying

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Anyone need help with anything? I'm all yours, I'll help you with anything, if I can.

>>162540717

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sh_RD93Zvo

>>162540853
Excellent, thanks.

>>162538567
>They should just make phantoms OP, that'll fix everything!

>>162538894
This I could agree with, but only if it also applied to phantoms too.

>>162540853
why the fuck does he even post videos

he should instead just anonymously complain about people he has never (and will never) meet for half a decade straight

>>162541176
>phantoms

*invaders

>>162541176
Did you read what he said? Friendlies should have half of estus and invaders should get all of it.

>Needing estus to win a fight
I bet you sit down to pee too

Is it worth building up magic defense for pvp in DS1?

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Thanks, Miyazaki...

>>162541361
>Did you read what he said?

Yes, I just mistyped and that's why I replied with what I meant. Not that either of my posts were well worded, I think I woke up drunk.

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>>162541498
I like the short pause for every gank like they couldn't believe they won. Pd or other sorts of gloating just looks cute right after,

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>>162541498
>refined on low levels
i do the same damage with deep halberd+2 on high wall

>>162541498
2v1 or 3v1 invasions should be more fun, unless you're an asshole who just wanted an easy exploit win. If you want fair fights, go duel. Invasions are about winning against unfair odds, so stop whining.

>>162541498
There is nothing wrong with twinking in this case, keep doing God's work

>>162541498
>doing a rolling attack into them
you deserved all of it shitter

>>162541361
>>162541542

I mean that as in, if host has 4 estus at +0, the invader gets 4 at +0, phantoms could be the same. Invaders with +10 Estus in highwall are truly cancer, ganks wouldn't exist if invaders weren't so obnoxious by default. At least in DeS it was a good way to regain your body form, which was hard to do early on. Now that the PvE aspect is so utterly hashed out the only people doing it are just looking to club seals.

>>162541643
>>162541498

I like how AR and life get scaled down but literally anything else goes apparently, you can have 99 END and 99 VIT no problem, use a +5 havel's greatshield, have 99 INT and FAI and use some dumb DMB or throw a fireball that takes out like 3/4's of my life at SL35.

God fucking dammit, I literally just clapped for those guys irl after that I laughed so hard.

>>162541780

27/20 (using knight's ring) does like 250 damage 1 handed so is pretty decent, though you're right I'll probably respec into raw since it's only like a 30 AR difference, put the stats into vig and end instead.

Why you'd do 144/144 with deep instead of 222 raw i have no idea famalam.

>>162541870

>stop whining about obviously super overleveled downscaled phantoms that do 3/4's of your life with a single vestiges because you're low level

lol this kid...

though really my mistake was not running away in that case, should have just let them go to the boss if they wanted

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I'm at Farron Keep perimeter. Anybody wanna join up for Abyss Watchers on PC? I'm heading straight for the boss.

I will watch all of the cutscenes for the boss of course.

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Friendly reminder than 4chan isn't your personal hugbox. We don't give a shit about you dying to ganks.

>>162542057
>I mean that as in, if host has 4 estus at +0, the invader gets 4 at +0, phantoms could be the same.

I would be 100% OK with this.

>>162542430

Yes!

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>>162542478
>We

>>162542430
>mace
You can solo them but I'll join you for the catacombs or demon ruins if you're still up for it tonight. I'll be here 12 hrs from now.

>>162542478

Friendly reminder that as long as it isn't some illegal shit like CP you can post whatever the fuck you want on 4chan and there's nothing you can do to stop me as long as it's on topic.

Whether or not people give a shit will be directly related to how many (You)'s are given, otherwise fuck off.

can't stop thinking about experiencing anal sex with gwyndolin

>how to fix seed
it completely removes any "factions". if the host uses a seed, it's every man for himself. invaders can get damaged by and damage pve, whities and host can all hurt each other. holds for hotdogs/faicucks as well
>how to fix ganking
invaders get 10% extra hp for every phantom, up to 30% (fully embered)
if a phantom gets summoned while the invader is in the world, the invader retains his %hp. for example, if the invader is in a lone world with 1000 max hp and is down to 900 when a phantom is summoned, he goes to 990/1100
>how to fix necromancers (without hurting pve'ers)
keep the host still and backstabable while summoning. he can cancel out before the phantom comes, but the summon is canceled as well

>>162542594
Sounds good, I have to leave for work in 1 hour anyway.

>>162542527
Pass is dsg

I'll be there in a couple minutes.

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>>162542612
>Whether or not people give a shit will be directly related to how many (You)'s are given
Then here's a pity (You)

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>>162542478
spotted the ganker

RH halberd user here: at SL35 +4 is it worth getting the 30 points in strength (with +5 str ring of course) to use wolf knight's greatshield (69 stab) or should I just use BK shield instead (63 stab)?

>>162542589
>Wuz

>>162542672
Next game From makes that uses the souls formula will probably do away with the seed and just make mobs aggroing on the invader default behavior.

Screencap this.

>>162542910
Just use BK like everyone else, there is no reason to be a greatshield hipster.

>>162542910
Depends if you're blocking more. The ring will mean you get 5+ str in damage and 6% more in block but you reap those benefits if you only use 1h or 2h if heavy halberd. On the otherhand, you could use replace the ring with something better like Chloranthy or Bloodring

dlc2 when

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>>162542927

>>162543231
March or April

>>162543134

Honestly at this level I pretty much always use prisoner's chain and knight's ring, it's like 20 free levels so it's really useful. Chloranthy is a meme if you're good at stamina management and have grass, and I really don't think using bloodring and prisoner's chain together is a good idea. Bloodring is more of a thing for builds that do rolling attacks a lot like corvian great knife.

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Great fun as always, thanks for the help Nana!

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Damn, Lucatiel sure have changed.

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new soulsesque game made by from soft when

I want the experience the cycle of hope, hype and disappointment once more

>>162542927
gankers n shieeeet

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>>162543351
It was only an example. I find chloranthy super useful on 60% builds where I need to roll after a risky attack or whenever I need to put pressure. Although grass can literally do the same, I don't feel comfortable using buffs anymore. Especially since buffs other than weapon coating are super shit in this game.

holy shit faith is suffering
what can I do to ease my pain?

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>>162543374

It's a great fight for co-op. Have a good day at work!

so how much was corona's damage buffed in the that patch?

been in county since they announced it

>>162543660
Level up int and go pyro.

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>>162543803

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6yuI5to8wk
>Japanese memes

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When people view the shadow that appears above a summon sign, do they see a live feed of my inventory as I change it? Or do they see a snapshot of what I was wearing when I placed the sign?

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Best helmet
Best fashion

>people sitting in the pontiff area with aldrich alive
>invade them
>they just sit at the start, wave and bow
Fuck you nigger I'm not doing a fucking duel when I invade, also you're fucking embered and I'm not

Also fuck every single nigger who holds a fightclub without killing Aldrich first then curses me for interrupting it. Fuck you fucking cunts

>>162544021
>waiting for the text to speech
>it's there
Every time.

>>162544031

There's probably some delay. In DaS2 it sometimes even showed a different character the player was using if they were using another one a few minutes earlier.

>>162543483
Good hentai desu senpai

>>162544021
Nips know how to have fun.

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>>162544149

That's not the Heide helmet.

>>162544210
That's when you unzip the greatbow my dude. DaS3 invasions aren't about how good you are, it's about how much of your life you're willing to waste at the expense of others.

>>162544470
That's exactly what I did. Greatbow and obscuring ring.

Result? host DCs me with cheat engine or maybe he just pulled the plug.

>>162544210
That's one of the reasons I learned how to CE.
There was one fag that was hosting fightclub with inifinite i-frames on.
I ran away and killed his boss lmao

>>162544663
Does that get you softbanned? I'm considering doing this to those fightclub faggots.

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>>162544663
>CE and thinking you won a petty victory
>when host can reload backup saves

>>162544775
I've been doing it for a week and nothing happened with me yet. Don't think it will.

>>162544210
I invade a lot at pontiff and do this since I don't want to kill aldrich.
Just duel.
It's faster for me, faster for you and you know I could summon, use my 15 estus or just put bloodring and run all the way to aldrich, so this is your best chance at winning

>>162544839
Didn't seem like they had backup saves since they didn't show up anymore after that kek

>>162542965
>>162542672

Next game From makes with the souls formula will have nothing like invasions. They've been trying to distance themselves from the shitty awfulness that was DS1 invasions from the start, the only reason they kept it in DS3 was probably because they knew it would cause an incident if they didn't.

New story / title = new chance to undo all the damage to their games' reputation that invasions called

>Dark Souls Prepare to Die edition
>Not Back Tracking: The Game

It's not bad, but I prefer skipping the tedious grind of sprinting back through an area you just came from.

>>162545179
Casuals like you are why we ended up with abortions like DaS2 and DaS3.

>>162545267
Lol okay lad.

Boss fights sure are fun in this game, just waiting with the block button up.

;)

>>162545267
DaS1's world design was a fluke.

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Qt!!

>>162545053
>just duel
shut the fuck up you dumb nigger, just eat greatarrows
Kill aldrich or suffer my bullshit you dumb faggot

>>162543483
They usually announce at TGS or E3.

>>162544241
Name?

>>162544469
Good old Heide Noob mask.

>>162545068
>kek

kill yourself

>>162545596
Oyakodon: Oppai Tokumori Bonyuu Tsuyudaku de

>>162545630
Is that really all it takes to trigger you?

>>162545428
I just hide right in front of the fog before pontiff, your greatarrows can't reach me. Leave, fight or CE kill my boss (I have backups anyway)

>>162545267
We got DS2 and DS3 because of shitty invader types that ruined DS1 for 99% of players by exploiting the game.

>>162545630
lol look at this triggered C᠎᠎U᠎C᠎K

Alright. I'm sorry. But fuck ds2. It's not hard, it's just fucking unfair. How am i supposed to fight against 10 guys in a small fucking corner? And my sword broke after i used it for, like, half an hour. What the fuck.

>>162545792
das2 slays another shitter

If From knew what players would do in DS1 once it hit PC and how Bandai Namco would have marketed their game, they would have never added nonconsentual invasions into DS1.

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>>162545068
>>162544663
>He's a scriptkiddie
>In Dark Souls 3
>With no banwaves
>He does it for free
>He takes his "job" very seriously
>He does this because it is the only amount of control he will ever manage to have in his pathetic life
>He runs away from ashen ones he doesn't like and kill their bosses because they hold fight clubs and only obey their own arbitrary rules
>He will never have a real job
>He will never stop cursing people
>He will never know how to kill hosts with anything but CE
>He will never win in invasions
>He will never beat the game
>HE DOES IT FOR FREE

>>162545880
Wow dude calm down it's just a game lmao

>>162545849
You don't understand. Im bloodborne or ds3 you can just run past guys to the boss. In das2 you literally can't, because they follow you forever. It's fucking bullshit.

>>162545706
>Leave, fight or CE kill my boss
I don't think those are really my choices.

You forgot my last choice, "afk in your world until you pull the plug or find me" you stubborn cunt

Why does the game get harder everytime i die
Who in his right mind thought that this was a good idea for *le epic dark souls is hard xdd meme*

>>162546060
I've sat one hour waiting for invaders to leave before, you can't outautism me. And if I do get bored, I'll just run to aldrich. Try and stop me, you'll be unable to

>>162545792
1. Rest at bonfires to restore your weapon durability.
2. Don't blindly rush into a room with a ton of people and no room to move.
3. DS2 is only unfair for people who don't think ahead. Just like all souls games.

The most unfair, if any, part of DS2's gameplay is that titanite is heavily restricted in early game, so if you spend all your titanite upgrading armor or an inferior weapon you can end up in this shitty middle zone after Dragonrider but before you get to earthen peak where you don't have any upgraded weapons.

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>there's a angry, butthurt autist ITT who won't accept the fact that people don't give a damn about killing their world's aldrich

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>>162545991

>>162545991
I understand and my original statement stands.

>>162546236
It's not about git gud. I just simply don't want to beat the same guys over and over again untill i get to the boss.

I was angry before I learned how to CE.
Now I'm living the damn life niggas.

>>162546221
>upgrading armor before weapons

>>162546173
Because it started with Demon's Souls?

>>162546173
DeS.

Not that you'd know I guess.

>>162546339
Honestly if you can't get through the area without being gank killed by NPCs then you probably shouldn't be attempting the boss yet.

>>162546339
Last time I checked going through the fog gate helped.

Why is it so hard fuuuuck i just want to enjoy the game

Best hexer starting class in DS2?
Cleric or lack of adpt is too retarded?

>>162546446
it's pretty easy my man

>>162546360
I mean if you upgrade a shitty starting weapon (Broadsword) AND your armor. By the time you realize that titanite can't be bought/farmed in early game AND that your starting weapon is shit, it's too late.

>>162543539

Grass is easy to use, I put it in that quickbar thing you see when you press start where you get like 5 slots to use to start battles, and otherwise keep my toolbelt pretty minimalistic with estus (if I have ashen I just use it from the menu), embers (for healglitching), blackfire bombs and bundles.

That said even at low levels I'm either using a build that doesn't use a shield and doesn't need to R1 spam (generally attack in 1-2 hit bursts or parry riposte) and can get away with 16 END pretty easy (11 + 5 from chain), or like right now where I'm using a raw +4 RH halberd and +2 BK shield so I've got 18 str (with knight's ring) and 27 health 31 end (with chain) on my SL36 invader. Roughly 30-32 END is all you really need even end game but especially at lower levels.

Besides that my ring slots are pretty locked down, besides 2 slots needing to go to basically +20 free levels, I usually reserve at least 1 slot for hornet and the last slot I can do whatever with but I generally use obscuring because it's just so damn useful in invasions, especially with an offhand xbow but just in general for ambushing people or for getting away from bad situations.

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What's the best boss to co-op for souls?

>>162546534
Well buy a fucking Longsword the?

>>162546668
this question is too vague

i think ganking fume knight is infinitely fun, especially if everyone survives

>>162546456
It really doesn't matter since you won't get access to hexes until you're past the point where you can build your levels up. The extra INT and FTH starting off doesn't help you and you'll end up having more than enough levels by the time you reach felkin to make up for any weak stats.

The best hexer is whatever build lets you get to felkin as fast as possible with minimum investments into any other stats. You want to be at 20/20 with minimum.If you think you can get there with just the cleric, then use that. If you think you need more beef, go with any other starting class and invest everything into FTH/INT and you'll be at 20/20 before you reach him.

>>162546668
Just farm 3 winged fatties or dupe souls.
I assume you're talking about DS3

>>162546512
I beat bb on ng+ and ds3
It wasn't nearly this hard. I only have half of my life, i am literally onehit.

>>162546739
Well, i asked for the boss that gives the most souls upon defeat in DaS3 but you can go ahead and and talk about the other games too
>>162546816
But that's not very fun, helping others is fun.

>>162546184
I don't mind autism battles, I do get mad when poeople use CE to remove me from games tho

you're alright I guess

>>162546897
Helping others is not efficient.

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>>162546668
>Gravetender isn't a old monk boss battle
Still mad.

>>162546668
Best boss for co-op experience: Bell Gargoyles

Best boss to gank co op: Pursuer, for the bastilla kill.

Best boss to be summoned to help new players with: O&S.

Best boss to be summoned for the level on the way to the boss: Mytha the Baneful Queen. It's right after the sun covenant, has 2 hidden bonfires, pate's encounter, a mimic, pharros healing pool, and a LOT of secret items, and best of all, the windmill trick. It is extremely satisfying to help even experienced players through the level only for them to discover yet another new room or item they didn't know about.

>>162546897
lad I thought you were asking "What's the funnest boss to co-op" in a really awfully-worded way

>>162546847
How about you stop rushing in and dying? How about you get the ring of binding next to the dragonrider? Why don't you try one of the 4 other paths you can go instead?

DS2 is way easier, you just can't -brute force- it like an idiot.

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>>162544210
>>162544582

>invading post-pontiff

There's where you fucked up my friend. Especially since both covenant rewards are shit so you can't tell me you're doing it for dregs. Even then I mean, if people are assholes just crystal out my dude, don't waste your time.

>>162544470
>DaS3 invasions aren't about how good you are, it's about how much of your life you're willing to waste at the expense of others.

I don't consider it a waste when I'm having fun and otherwise enjoying myself, deriving pleasure from it. Really though DaS3 invasions are about fucking with people, making life hell for them. To see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women, etc.

I find that you need a shift in mindset to truly appreciate invasions. See, to a duelist honorfag, they see invasions and think they're bullshit because it's often so hard to kill the host and his phantoms, they see it as being "unfair" with the chugging and the summoning of a bunch of phantoms etc. In reality, an invader's only real goal is like the rest of the mobs: to prevent forward progress in the level. The host and phantoms are trying to get to the boss, and you're trying to keep them from getting to the boss. The ultimate form of this of course is killing the host, but it's not always the only way. As long as you're keeping them from progressing, they can't warp out through the bonfire or heal with it, they can't do anything, they're stuck. Even if they camp out at the bonfire, that's what offhand crossbows and greatbows and 30 firebombs are for, and when they run out at you you run away and repeat the process. If they come out you can use the mobs to your advantage, if they seed with a gank well they basically just conceded and you just leave and laugh at how bad they are.

I've done hit-and-run ambushes against ganks pulling them through entire fucking levels before. Even if you don't kill them, you win. Because it's about the journey, not the destination.

>>162546221
DS2 is utter bullshit in the beginning, you have to admit. There's nothing fun about fighting half a dozen hollow soldiers armed with bastard swords, halberds, winged spears and shields with infinite stamina when all you've got is a shortsword and a wooden shield. It gets better once you get more and bigger weapons and shields that can actually protect you, but Forest of Fallen Giants is infuriating.

>>162546897
You didn't mention shit about DaS3.

But to answer your awfully-written question, Soul of Cinder. 100k per kill, split between all parties present.

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>>162547082
What ? You wanted fun ? In MY Dark Souls III ?

>>162547242
>they see it as being "unfair" with the chugging and the summoning of a bunch of phantoms etc. In reality, an invader's only real goal is like the rest of the mobs: to prevent forward progress in the level.

THIS

Holy shit this is exactly what I've been trying to say for ages, but in different words.

The invader's purpose is to be a surprise boss/NPC for other players, not to be some expert pvper.

Invading to exploit the other player's surprise and kill them is not the point of invasions. You are not supposed to get pleasure at exploiting the game. It was just a poor design quirk from the first game that caused all of this shitty invasion tactic nonsense.

>>162547218
But that's my playstyle. I like dying if I learn something from it. In bb and ds3 i died untill i learned every move of my enemy so i could time my dodge perfectly. I can only play like this, why does the game make me suffer when i die.

>get seeded in dlc
>aggro the corvian hanging @ the top tower thing
>throw an alluring skull down to where host and his phantoms are
lmao

>>162547357
I used to agree. I used to think DS2 was really boring until Iron Keep and Drangleic castle.

But once I learned how to start all four paths early on and optimize, early-game DS2 is actually EXTREMELY fun because you're basically min-maxing and the stakes are a lot higher if you mess up. Everything after iron keep is a lot more meh and I want to speed past it faster.

That being said, I still think that they should have just made the ENTIRE game take place in Iron Keep, Drangleic, Lost Bastille, and Forest of Fallen Giants. Those areas are fucking fantastic, why not just make them larger and deeper and more intertwined?

>>162547641
You have to bruteforce one enemy at a time. Learn how to kill one enemy without being hit. Learn the next one. Learn the next one. etc.

When you've learned the level, pop a human effigy and breeze your way to the boss.

Heide's tower is a GREAT example of how you're supposed to play the levels. The enemies teach you how to avoid certain attacks and once you learn that, you can beat every boss the whole level without getting touched.

Another problem is that if you keep trying to rush -past- the bosses they're going to keep respawning. Kill them 10-15 times and enemies stop respawning so you can proceed easier.

>>162547357
>both large leather shield and drangleic shield are in the forest of the fallen giants
And don't tell me the hollows that die in like 2-3 hits are hard to deal with.

>>162548032
I think what's happening is that he's rushing through the levels to get to the bosses as fast as possible, and that's causing him to get ganked by 10 hollows before he reaches the fog gate while he still wears the basic default equipment because he's got a 'git gud' mentality instead of a learning how to play the fucking game.

>>162547587
>only goyims who invade are meant to be easy punching bags for solely my entertainment!
>only I'm allowed to have fun and win all the time!
>waaaah it's a dead game, why aren't people invading?!

>tfw "MartyrsBrigade... is... out." for real this time

>>162548151
>game deters you from invading so much with so little payoff it feels like indirect moral faggotry

>>162547357
>opinions
In my opinion most of DaS1 is utter garbage, Painted World being the exception.

>>162547587

Well that's not really true, you are supposed to be an expert pvp'er because invasions are generally the next level of difficulty after honor duels and have a lot more depth because you have a whole level to play with. People don't necessarily have to fight you, on both sides. People can run away, people can chug, basically anything goes, the only thing I don't tolerate is seed + gank but honestly at SL60 +6 and below I run into that so rarely that I don't even think it's a problem and I'll just crystal out.

Still you need to be an expert PvP'er to do invasions, because in general you're going to be outnumbered, with a host that has 30% more health and potentially twice as much estus as you, and if he gets away from you can potentially run back and resummon his buttbuddies. The ideal invasion for me is a 1v3 or 1v4 vs. me using the mobs of the level to even the odds. You need to understand the level layout, mob locations, and use stuff like obscuring ring to really make use of ambush tactics that allow you to win. You have to make use of tools like offhand crossbows or greatbows which many players completely ignore like they don't even exist, you have to make use of the best weapons to be able to handle being outnumbered and potentially even outgunned by downscaled phantoms. You have to know escape routes and when to run the fuck away some times. You have to have patience to be able to wait people out, or have shit to throw or shoot at them if they camp out somewhere and refuse to budge (or have a video on in your 2nd monitor lol).

Mainly though as long as you're preventing forward progress, you're winning. As long as I know the host is stuck and scared, I'm happy. If I can kill him too, all the better, but it's not always necessary (at least not necessary to do quickly, you can often take your time if you develop patience).

>>162548151

BC is a thing. Denying the most egregious abusers of host advantages anyone to play with is the best punishment.

>>162548151
>easy punching bags

Only if you're terrible at the game.

That being said, the whole "summon 3 phantoms and bait invaders" mentality that gankers have is just as bad as invaders who think it's their personal mission to destroy and humiliate newbie players for their own enjoyment.

anyone wanna help me kill 4 kings on steam prepare to die edition? Im sl 8 eu

>>162548304
I meant "expert pvper" sarcastically. I completely agree with you though, invasions are meant to be the super hardmode after honor duels, where you're basically playing the role of a boss hoping that you can overcome the player and actually win. It should be more fun the more people who are trying to fight.

When I'm on Iron Keep bridge and get invaded to see 3 white phantoms, the game is ON. Honestly I have more fun being ganged up on than honor duels, even though I rarely win against gank squads.

>>162547357
wtf forest of the giants is easy (apart from 1st pursuer fight)
its the mid-late game that gets to me in that game, mostly iron keep and the gutter

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>>162548216

>>162548453

Fair enough, sarcasm is hard to detect in text so you have to make it more obvious next time.

Also I win against ganks all the time, the only thing I require is that I can use mobs to even the odds. Invading in the crux woods and getting a gank to fuck up and trigger both of the crabs by accidentally killing a baby crab is fucking hilarious, I just hear this in my head constantly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGp9P6QvMjY

If I'm out of duel charms, what's the best way to deal with great magic shield turtling?

>>162548304
I'm going to call this the "Armored Core" mentality where it's more fun to fight the same mission 10 times and lose because the menus are just as fun as the actual game, customizing and planning things out for each new attempt.

It makes the few victories you do get so much better.

From Software games are about the struggle, not the gloat.

>>162548631
>uninstall.exe

>>162548369
>this shitter again

>>162548742
xD help

>>162548631
>unzips great corvian scythe
>unzips estoc's weapon art
psh
nothing personnel

>>162548631
Run away until buff dissapear

>>162548314
>That being said, the whole "summon 3 phantoms and bait invaders" mentality that gankers have is just as bad as invaders who think it's their personal mission to destroy and humiliate newbie players for their own enjoyment.
I said this when DaS3 came out - The type of person that would seed, summon 3 phantoms and then just gank is the exact same as the type of person who would twink in the burg. Ganking is the exact same shit, only it's considered less of a taboo by "normal players" (i.e people that don't engage in PvP or invade) due to how a large chunk of those people still carry some sort of emotional baggage over dying to some twink or whatever - They see it as invaders 'finally getting what they deserve' or something. Souls brings out the worst of people, It's just that previously the game enabled invaders more than hosts, whereas in this game they sortof inverted that (a lot).

>>162548694

Exactly, too many kids these days actively avoid the struggle and don't realize how satisfying it is when you build up that frustration to the breaking point and finally you win and it all gets released like a dry orgasm. The satisfaction you feel when you kill a host's 3 phantoms, then he resummons them and you kill them AGAIN, then a blue invades and you kill that fucker, and finally you kill the host and point down, and all that took like an hour or some epic shit.

It's like you build a tolerance to it or something. First it's the PvE of the game itself in the bosses, but after awhile they become easy and don't do it for you anymore. Then it's duels, where you start PvP'ing with other players and trying to kill them. Then even that gets easy after awhile. Invasions are the next level of that, especially figuring out how to beat ganks. It's like going from algebra to calculus to differential equations.

>>162548032
Large leather shield is still pretty mediocre, and you have to beat Pursuer to get the Drangleic shield. I'm speaking more of the middle parts of the area, like from the second bonfire to the Last Giant. I must have more deaths in that area than the rest of the game combined.

The frailty of the hollows only makes things more frustrating. Some runs you'll get the first hit and destroy them effortlessly, other times they use some weird move you don't have access to when you use the same weapon and you get fucked in an instant. The spear and shield ones are particularly bad for this, since they have infinite stamina, the only way past their shield if they choose to hold it up is the unreliable and painfully slow guard break. Even when they pull the shield away from their body to bash you with it, they somehow protect themselves with it. Even the mace, which specifically says in the description that it can break a shield's guard, is unable to overpower them. It's just stupidly hard for the sake of being stupidly hard.

>>162548631

Pull out your own shield and shield pump in front of them until they put it away realizing they can't actually do anything and it's a stalemate. Wait the timer out if you have to who gives a fuck, fuck 'em.

If it's in an invasion just have patience until that shit runs out they can't do it forever.

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>>162548216

https://youtu.be/4CkN1xFfWQI?t=13m22s

>>162548926
>Souls brings out the worst of people

I like this though, like the best of the worst? Hard to describe. I like how ganks have pushed me to the limits of finding out any little advantage I can get over hosts and their phantoms to the absolute maximum.

Duels just made me depressed because I got to a point where I'd just have to handicap myself more and more because if I used the good shit I'd win every time. Now I can use the best shit I can get my hands on to the maximum because the scales are tipped so heavily in the host's favor that anything goes, I love it.

>>162548975
Go get the kite shield from the armor salesman.

Honestly, they're fucking hollows. None of their moves should be hitting you unless you can't learn from your mistakes. You know why their moves are different? Because they are SLOW and easy to fight. They made them deliberately easy for you.

At this point I'm convinced you're just making shit up because you've never gotten more attention here than when you started talking about how hard DS2 was.

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>>162548975
How can anyone be this much of a shitter?

If you guys don't want to deal with invaders just play offline you sissies

>>162548631
Wait out the buff, they're not exactly playing agressive. You really should have duel charms.

>>162549839
but then i cant summon my friends ? :/ i dont understand why i cant just summon my friends for coop without having to deal with invaders that grief and waste our time :\

>>162549998
>casts magic shield for the 6th time
>walks into you with shield up losing no stamina

>>162549839
Fucking nigger. I want side entertainment and summon people to help me out through the level. It's not fun without people and I want to taste the pvp of this game. I'm not going to just go through this game without knowing what the fuck to do, what if I die to some invader no life who just wasted my time going through a hard stage?

>>162550029
Dark souls isn't meant for coop, coop is only there because the game would die if only players that actually play the game, played it

I know you're just being a devils advocate but still

It's shocking to me how much people ask for help

I've had people ask me if I could either finish the game on their main for them. Or if they made a new character would I help them through the game once they made it to the Wall

It's like people don't realize that other people don't want to hold their hands for next to no rewards so they can get achievements they don't deserve

>>162549259
Honestly, after playing so many ganks in ds3, hosts in Bloodborne feel like a fucking joke. You can melt them so quickly, cooperators or no because in that game you can still massively outgear them. For better or worse, learning to adapt to gank squads has made me a much better, more under-handed player. I almost never lose in a 1v1 either.

>>162550280
>Dark souls isn't meant for coop
Get with the times grandpa. We got password coop now so we don't need to go around every corner solving puzzles and shit when someone else can do it for us.

>>162550223
Uhm there is literally not a single zone or boss more than the twins that warrant help. Even the twins are piss easy after you learn their move set, which you will never do because when the going gets tough you pester your friends list for help

>>162550451
>Even the twins are piss easy
That's your elitist opinion. They're hard and I'm not going to just die 10 times just so I know how to beat them. I'm going to summon two people to soften them and divert their attention while I go for the killing blow.

>>162550280
>>162550438

Dark souls was designed more for co-op than PvP. That's why so much of DS1 centered around the sun convenant.

Anyone know how to have fun in DS3 again? I went back to fashion souls + untrue ring + claymore + millwood shield, I think I've tried everything else.

>>162550280
>watch DeS opening
>slayer summons help non stop when he can't handle it
>isn't meant for coop

>glaive
>actually a bardiche

>>162550612
No it's not an opinion it's a fact , lightning reks Lorian and after a few attempts you'll recognize Windows when you can attack him, this is how you enjoy and get good at the game

Summoning 2 butt buddies will do 1 of 2 things

You'll complete the game and go welp nothing to do now this is boring

Or

Well time to try a new character, hey guys can you help me with the Lothric Knight guarding the bonfire, and then also the rest of the game

>>162550612
>I'm not going to just die 10 times just so I know how to beat them
I like co-op just as much as you but what you said there is actually the basis of the souls games, overcoming challenges, gitting gud and all that. If you don't want that then i'm afraid you're playing the wrong game.

>>162550612
There is nothing wrong with dying 10 times so you can learn to play a game. If you're going to summon 2 allies, it only makes sense for invaders to appear and balance it somewhat by adding a new enemy. If you just want literal easy mode play a game that has that.

>>162550854
Watch a deodorant commercial and then tell me that's exactly how deodorant works

they show virgins or in the case of blood souls shitters, what they want to see so they will buy it

>>162551083
>"blood souls"
So that's the sort of people we're talking to

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>>162550810
>>162550898
>>162551080

>That's why so much of DS1 centered around the sun convenant.
More like it's more popular but it doesn't get shoved to your face since it's completely optional.
>No it's not an opinion it's a fact , lightning reks Lorian and after a few attempts you'll recognize Windows when you can attack him, this is how you enjoy and get good at the game
No one's going to bother if there's an easy way out. I bet you half of the time you're going to be summoning a readily available person to waver the game for you and there's no reason not to other than 'muh challenge.'
>Well time to try a new character, hey guys can you help me with the Lothric Knight guarding the bonfire, and then also the rest of the game
Literally no one says this. Quit pulling opinions out of your ass to use them for argument's sake.

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He's gonna continue Bloodborne lorethrough in roughly 30 min time.

>>162551231
>no one says this

Literally 20 minutes ago a guy I play with asked me if I would help his new character out with some good items and to get him through the undead settlement

And i see worse players every single hour when I invade, so I don't doubt for a second that people ask for help with Knights, hell, just look at "first play through" streams on twitch and you'll see them struggling, with their friends, against hollows while the entire chat tell them to run past it because knights are cancer

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Holy shit i forgot how DS2 feels. It's not just "DS1 underwater", it feels like you're constantly in some viscous substance and all enemies are made from rubber or something.
Also who the fuck designed those bosses, you can literally walk behind the dragonrider and he will never get a hit on you.

My Y button isnt as tactile as it used to be and feels bad to press down, how do I make it nice and pushy again?

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>>162551254

I hope he gets back together with Ms. Carriage.

>>162551525
The same people that designed Vanguard, Asylum Demon and Gaping Dragon.

>>162551254
fuck off epic cuck tard

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>>162551615

>>162551739
All of those at least feel weighty. Dragonrider feels like a plastic toy.

please don't make fun of gaping dragon. she's cute

>>162551254

He should play DaS2-

>>162551525
>get to skeleton lords
>oh man is this gonna be like multiple nitos
>that would be fucking cool
>I'm ready to board mr bones wild ride
>it's just a couple of skeleton wizard dudes that died in two hits each followed by a completely nonthreatening rush of ordinary skeleton mobs
Why the fuck was that even a boss?

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would anyone fancy
a 1v1?

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>>162551906

>>162551507
There are always a way to cheese through the game other than going through the level step by step. git gud is a old and busted meme that gets shoved, misused when people call out flaws and bullshit the game tries to cover. Just like how people ask others to help them beat the game for them is like asking for the answers in a open-book test. Git gud doesn't amount to shit anymore without any risk factor. This game is piss easy and made for people who advocate simple comprehensive gameplay.

>>162552114
Can I bring my Great Magic Shielded Great Shield?

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>>162552013
How they managed to make such a shitty skeleton enemies in 2?
1 has giant skeleton dogs, 3 has double shotels of doom, 2 lacks any spooky strong skeletons completely.
>tfw you can even backstab the skeleton wheels

>>162552114
what weapon you use?

>>162552186
you will not survive
>inb4 pyromancer

reminder that dark souls 2 objectively is best game

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>>162552230
brigand windaggers/flamberge/falchion/crystal magicks

>>162552114

How good are you?

>>162552114
I would, but I don't want to beat you up too harshly

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>>162552361
Whatever makes you sleep at night.

>all this shitposting about what's fair and what isn't

It doesn't matter what's fair, all that matters is the games mechanics.

The game allows you to host fightclubs. Ok. But the game also allows me to shoot greatarrows and throw firebombs at it and run away if you want to come kill me. If you turn on your speedhacks and instacurse, YOU'RE the sore loser who can't handle the rules.

The game allows you to gank and play "how many resummons until the invader dies". Ok. But the game also allows me to hide in a corner and block your invasion spot. If you pull the plug or use CE to boot me, YOU'RE the sore loser who can't handle the rules.

That is all.

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>>162552387
>brigand twindaggers
I don't wanna fight you then, i might hurt your feelings

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>>162551615
>>162551779
>>162551932

C'mon guys be nice.
His BB streams have been good. Snore Cleaver aside, he's finally doing Old Hunters on cam.

>>162552541
stop advertising your shit stream cuck

>>162552518
t. Ganker and embered FC host

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>>162552419
im wasted as shit, and i'll resize your boipuss

>>162552426
ha ha

come fight me then, niggers. show me how much better you are

i'll sit in 1v1 duel with password 56765

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>>162552518
Agreed.

>>162552605
Ok, I'm sorry.

>>162552630
no, t. Invader.

I'm just tired of the general mindset of "rules are rules" EXCEPT when the invader has an advantage in some form. Then it's suddenly ok to turn on speedhacks because "he's being a fag!"

>>162552662
I'm too good to grace you.

You didn't even name the place and plataform

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what

why

>>162552745
pc obviously.
undead match

>>162552518
>"I like being the host so too bad" the post

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>invaded by two cucks
>both try to lure me to crabs
>fight second one under crab
>roll away to stairs
>he follows me up
>turn and roll attack
>he dodged off the ledge
>dodge off and fall attack
>one shot

kek

Wolfcucks btfo

>>162552805
low vigor + calamity ring
or some other meme shit

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>wog will never do as much damage as pre patch dark souls 2 wog

>>162552985

Good.

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i knew u pussies weren't shit haha. the randoms are probably better than the detritus in this general

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>>162552985
>wog will never be as good as in DS1

>>162552985
>using magic
>not using only quality build
Eat shit cuck

>>162552851
>>162553121

Is it possible to do arena fights and not get any medals?