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>>162485806
nasty woman

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>it's another "Oh, you wanna enjoy a quick match of Kerrigan? Here, let me give your enemies Tracer, Li-Ming, Valla, Zeratul and Artanis. Oh, and you get a silenced MasterSkin Nova." episode

FUCK YOU BLIZZARD, FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT FUCK YOUR GOD DAMN ATROCIOUS FUCKING FAGGOT MATCHMAKING.

>>162485905
It wasn't funny the first time

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>>162485905
>posting it again

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So after swearing that I'll never pick up another MOBA because I'm already too busy playing Dota 2 and Memewatch, my autism got the better of me and I spent the week grinding games in HotS for the Genji skin and also for the free heroes in HotS because why not.

The differences between the two games are staggering, I don't really see why people would bother to lump the two together at all. Also my jackass coworkers always kept talking shit about how HotS was the "best MOBA for intellectuals" all the fucking time and gave me shit refusing to play with them.

But back to the point, is there a good Dota 2 -> HotS transition resource you guys would recommend? Something that goes into the actual mechanics and numbers that isn't just some wiki crawl because that never really works to actually learn the game for me. All the reading in the world didn't really help me gain an intuition for Dota or its mechanics until after a few months of playing and I imagine it'd be the same for HotS but I'm hoping it'd be easier for me if there's a good resource I can read to fill in the gaps from what I've seen in-game so far.

Also is there a particular grinding pattern for exp/gold/heroes that you guys adhere to? I see screenshots like >>162218629 and >>162245517 where you guys just stop at lv 10. Is it because the rewards from 11-20 aren't worth the time or is it just autism? Should I prioritise the f2p rotation heroes first or just stick with what I like / own first?

Also what are good heroes to play for newbies? I own Jaina, Tracer, Zarya, the free heroes from the Nexus challenge, and Tyrande(?) from the tutorial but I'm not sure if they're actually good or not to learn with. Valve for example forces you to play harder / bad heroes in tutorial missions and have very outdated item build suggestions that basically poison a lot of newbies who actually care to do the tutorials and I don't want to be like that. Also getting sick of spamming Jaina a bit.

>>162486073
lmao hots is easy as fuck compared to other mobas

most people max out chars at 10 because it takes a fuckton of xp to level after that

i made it to 10 on lunara btw

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>>162485778
Hi, shinwizzy.

>>162486073
Hi there.

>dota 2 to hots transition
There's a few, will see if I can find you one.

>grinding pattern for heroes/gold
500 gold for hero level 5, 750 for 9

There's a spikier "master" skin available for 10,000 gold if you're at least level 10 on the hero, which is why a lot of people stop there

tldr level everything you can to 5 for the relatively free gold

>good starter heroes

Raynor, Valla, Zagara for ranged damage-dealers
Malfurion and Li-Li for healer support
Johanna, ETC, Muradin and Diablo for beefy tank

some other anon will probably expand more on the ideal starter heroes, but these are just the first to come to mind for me. will go poke around for the dota>hots transition thingy

>hots "best MOBA for intellectuals"

literally what lmao

bronze 5 here

ama

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>>162486964

you fkn legend how

i wanna be like u

>>162487056
we do have the best looking icon. its true. I feel sorry for all those plebs who only have platinum or grand master. lol

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>>162487404

>Dive enemy backline during teamfight for a good 15 seconds at least
>Keep enemy assassin and support away from my team, meaning its a 3v4 for them
>We still lose
Am I doing something wrong?

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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!

>>162488006
depends on who you are and who they are and who your team is.

>>162484220
Fuck no, and he never will unless he gets significant changes. Absolutely everything he has to offer can be completely avoided and does not deter the enemy team from doing anything, despite Blizzard constantly calling him an area denial master.

>>162486334
>lmao hots is easy as fuck compared to other mobas
I didn't want to judge until I actually played it so that I'd know what I'm talking about instead of being as uninformed as a youtuber who'd parrot some memes after half a game and then never touch it again.

My coworkers are the SF/SV hipster engineer types. They think that LoL is the best game ever but blame the community for everything and only watch games, that Dota is worse than Hitler because of shit like turn rates and losing gold for dying (every single person I ask bitches about turn rates), and that HotS is the "best" game for "smart intelligent people" like themselves.

I try not to talk about video games with other people anymore. I just say I'm too busy with work to play and just respond with "Oh, that Blizzard Dota/League game you guys keep talking about." after pretending I didn't understand what they're talking about.

>>162486584
>There's a spikier "master" skin available for 10,000 gold if you're at least level 10 on the hero, which is why a lot of people stop there
>tldr level everything you can to 5 for the relatively free gold
Okay, was asking because if it's not worth going past 10, I'd like an excuse to stop at 10 instead of going to 20 on each from the start. Kind of disappointing to hear the skins are still 10k gold after that, especially since it doesn't seem like I'll barely get a couple thousand a month even if I played 24/7 because each game seems to only give 10 gold a win and most of the income comes from dailies and the weekly brawl so it's an extra 10k gold per hero after buying the hero.

>will go poke around for the dota>hots transition thingy
Thanks for the suggestions and for looking.

I've been liking Jaina because I usually play ganking roamers / supports in Dota and liked being active around the map and she seemed like a great pick for a roamer style of play. Bit sick of maining her though so I wanted to look at other heroes.

>literally what lmao
See top response.

>>162488006
You can't trust your team to not be retarded without you protecting them 24/7. It's almost always better to turtle than it is to dive if you're uncoordinated.

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Reposting for fun


May/Aprilish

Katrana Prestor/Onyxia -- Specialist/Multiclass/Assassin

Abilities -- human form

Sabotage -- Touch a fort or keep to cause next group of enemy minions to spawn with one health.

Drakefire Amulet -- Trap. Hero touching the amulet gets it stuck to them, granting vision and causing the next five auto-attacks to miss. Ability damage of affected hero reduced by x% for three seconds.

Councilor -- Empower allied minions for a brief time.

Kidnap -- Heroic. Targeted hero is removed from combat for a brief time. If hero's name is Varian, hero is instantly killed with a quarter of the respawn time.

Puppetmaster -- Heroic. Current drakefire amulet target is controlled by the player as if it were their chosen hero for x seconds.

Standard mount.


Trait: Disguised. Lady Prestor cannot be targeted by enemy towers, forts, keeps, or minions. Heroes attacking her break this disguise.


Abilities -- dragon form

Flame Breath -- Cone of fire like every other cone of damage ability in the game

Tail Sweep -- AoE knockback, stuns.

Lay Eggs -- Enemies that wander too close cause eggs to hatch. 3 whelps emerge to attack. Can drop around anywhere like mines. After a minute or so, eggs hatch on their own and move to the nearest lane as Onyxian Warders

Deep Breath -- Heroic. "Onyxia takes a deep breath..." Onyxia sweeps a small area, breathing out a wave of flames. (Think localized Ragnaros flame wave.)

Engulfing Flames -- Heroic. Onyxia flies into the air becoming unstoppable. After a short period, she picks the nearest enemy regardless of distance and fires a fast-moving fireball with tracking.

Mount becomes global flight.


Trait: Disguise broken -- Activate to resume disguise early. Otherwise disguise resumes after a period of time.

>>162486073
there are no "mobas for intellectuals", we're all stupid here

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>HotS will never have a story mode campaign

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>Nova and Gazlowe will never be removed

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>>162488336

Mm. 1-5 is pretty quick, 5-9 isn't too long, especially with a Stim on a Hero you like. 9-10 is, like, 5,000,000 experience.

Every level from 10 to 20 is around the same. Twenty just exists because players probably felt "punished" for continuing to play a Hero after they had already reached 10. Dunno, though.

Also; gold generation is mostly dailies, and the weekly brawl. Hero level 5 or 9 is a little side bonus. You should be able to afford every new Hero (after reduced from 15,000 to 10,000) as they come out, although I'd recommend just finding ones you enjoy first, because you'll always catch up eventually.

>transition
Went looking around and most of what I found doesn't look terribly good, but I can't tell because I haven't really played dota. People here are usually pretty content in answering questions regarding what makes the game different, though

>jaina

Yep, pretty solid. Especially with Heroes capable of locking enemies down (Muradin, Malfurion and ETC). She's a pretty reasonable Hero to get started with, and doesn't really fall off, at least not for a while.

>hots is for intellectuals

genuinely curious as to how they could have possibly arrived at this

>>162486073
There's a shiny sparkly "Objective spawns in x seconds HERE" marker. It's not there for fun. Objectives push harder than you can do, so meet up with your team to get them. There's a few instances this doesn't apply, usually heroes with global abilities or the specialist category, but seriously, help your team out there. It's 3-4 less kills your enemy team will have.

While I'm at that, try to avoid getting killed the most. If you're not sure whether it's safe or not, don't risk it. Just passively sticking to a lane and soaking EXP not only for yourself, but also your team, will help a lot more than being down a man for 30 seconds, giving EXP to the enemy team AND missing out on lane EXP. Feeding will not just help one enemy out, it will hinder your entire team AND help the entire enemy team at the same time. Don't fucking feed.

There's certain power spikes. Level 10, 14, 17 and 20 are the biggest ones, mostly. Avoid teamfighting if your enemy has hit one of these milestons while you haven't, ESPECIALLY 10. They will fuck you up with their ults while you can't do shit in exchange.

There's also roughly two phases. Laning and objectives up to level 10, and then just brutal ganking and teamfights over objectives all day long until one side wins after that. There are pretty much no carries. Don't be afraid to leave your lane for a bit because of an objective or if you reckon the teams gonna get into trouble soon. Unless you're down a Keep (fortress right within your base), lanes are gonna keep even always.

Jungling doesn't exist, there's only merc camps here. A neutral camp with enemies that after defeating will push a lane for you, very hard so if unanswered. Don't just do them nilly-willy, pushing alongside them will do a lot more, or doing them right before an objective, where the enemy can't do anything about them because they're too busy fighting with you. Bosses in particular do a lot of damage if your team can zone the enemy from going all in.

muradin is great

first 2 games i played him i was mvp

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How many of us have 20s? Post your 20s.

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remember to always take frost wyrmfu and her lvl 20 upgrade as arthas or you're a shit

Adult Murloc hero WHEN

>>162489446
Sorry, but the talent of FREE movement speed and DPS gains is just too good. Unless they have Jaina or KT, always go Advance.

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Thoughts on Leoric? Just picked him up.

>Godly self sustain/damage/zoning vs heroes with W
>Great wave clearing and semi-poking in Q
>Excellent escape and chasing mobility in E
>Two very adaptable heroics
>Can significantly reduce respawn time and respawn just about anywhere he wants
>Skins are top shelf if you're into that

Bring me back down to earth because he might be my new favorite.

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>>162489459
Yes please.

Maybe next year.

>>162489215
It's called playing the original games. Y'know, Diablo, Starcraft, Warcraft.

>>162489459
>You will never play a TLV-style Murloc swarm with a Murloc Oracle, Tidehunter, and Scavenger
>The Oracle heals, the Tidehunter is an assassin, and the Scavenger is a specialist
>Every talent tier gives you three choices that bolster one of the 3 Murlocs
>You can go tidehunter + oracle for a sustain-focused dps
>You can go pure oracle to be a pure support
>You can go scavenger + oracle for a lane sieger
>You can be an even mix of the three and be mediocre
>If you go pure assassin you're a glass cannon like li-ming
>If you go pure scavenger you're squishy and deal poor damage to heroes but have great lane clear, merc potential, and building damage, and maybe even building protection.

>>162486073
play heroes on the free rotation and buy them if you like them.

just be aware that it might not immediately be obvious what a characters true role is. for instance, you generally don't want to solo support tyrande unless you are going for an extremely aggressive comp, you never want solo support tassadar. characters like sonya and arthas are bruisers so you don't want to be the only warrior on your team with them.

i think the only heroes that you should really stay away from are gazlowe, murky, and cho'gall. every other character has a place, although some might be more niche than others.

one hero i would recommend is valla. she is fun, cheap and quite strong right now, fits all maps and compositions assuming you don't already have an auto attacker.

oh and you can try heroes out in try mode in the store if you haven't found that already.

>>162490036
Is March of the Black King ever fucking good? It seems like the worst heroic ever.
Weak damage, weak utility, easy to dodge, and trash compared to trapping 1-3 enemies in your tomb.

>>162490307
>i think the only heroes that you should really stay away from are gazlowe, murky,
Bullshit.
Gazlowe and Murky can carry games in solo queue. Gazlowe was one of my best starter heroes because he taught me to pursue merc camps and map objectives. Since that's his job.

>>162490414
Its talent to apply drain essence to anyone caught in the march can force groups to fuck off very easily and turn a chase around in your teams favor. Especially with the talent that extends drain range.

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>>162489459

adult female pandaren when

>>162490235
yeah, but that's not like crossover with the raven lord or whatever

maybe I should just write some nice fanfics.

>>162490558
sorry, i forgot some people only play bronze level quick memes.

>>162490414
probably not bad on maps where lots of enemies group up around smaller map objectives.

It would be best if you could entomb and then march right into your tomb.

>3-1 on placements so far
This isnt so bad

>>162490036
He's decent and can definitely be worth picking but he gets kited like a motherfucker and he has no hard CC.

Just play him against a competent Li Ming or Falstad; it'll make you want to cry. He's p good against melee heavy teams though.

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>>162490873

Gazlowe works just fine until somewhere in Diamond.

>>162491047
imminent 50/50

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>>162486073
I'd say the easiest heroes for newbies are the ones with good escapes

Tank: Muradin
Assassin: Li-Ming
Support: Lili
Spec: Sylv or Xul

In fact lili has completely auto target abilities. Li-ming has projectile based spells but you shouldn't miss too much unless you're too retarded, she has the best escape of all assassins. Either way you don't know jack shit until you play all the heroes at least to level 5~9.

>>162490873
Seriously? You were giving advice to a new player and didn't think that maybe a new player would start off in bronze and playing quickmatch? Did you put any thought into your replies before you made them?

>>162491281
Think of how dumb the average /vg/ poster is. Then realise half of them are dumber.

>>162491281
Why would you practice getting better at something that you want to get away from? Are you a retard? You don't play a split push murky to learn the game.

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Reminder that Gazlowe, Nova and Murky, get worse and worse as your opponents get better and better, and Blizzard gives absolutely zero fucks about them. The only reason Murky is getting reworked is because of how much of a "meme" he is, and nobody will shut the fuck up about him.

Further proof of this is that they barely tossed Gazlowe a bone, mixing his talents up a bit, and Nova's rework completely changing how she plays and giving her yet again one single way to build with no variance, and unlike Nazeebo, they haven't bothered to do anything to change that.

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>>162491281
>hi guys just wondering what some okay beginner heroes are
>people post tier lists

Every time.

>>162491264
>li-ming
>easiest

I'm not saying she's Alarak or Kerrigan, but probably not the Hero to start with, especially with how popular she is.

>>162491563
going to work my way up to master after s3 placement games

then only play gaz

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>someone hovers over master illidan
>teammate picks illidan faster
>master illidan: okay since you want to be a dick
>picks tassadar
>says its for damage

illidan players everyone

>>162491520
You're not allowed to queue for draft until you have enough heroes to avoid being 100% banned/picked out of any selections.
You're also not allowed to skip out of bronze to higher skill ratings if you're put there.

You have to be fucking trolling. No new player gets to fucking choose their ranking or avoid playing quickmatch.

fug i have to get 14 heroes to level 5

i only have 7

>>162492043
So you're plan is to play shit heroes, playing in a way that you aren't supposed to play, so that you aren't even remotely prepared when you finally are able to queue for real game modes?

And you have no idea why this is absolutely fucking retarded?

>fun
>good
>diablo character
pick only two

>>162492491

>kharazim

>>162492491
Nazeebo and Xul are all three.

Witch Doctor and Necro are also by far my favorite Diablo characters. So I guess ignore me. But fuck you, they're all three.

>>162492363
>So you're plan is to play shit heroes, playing in a way that you aren't supposed to play, so that you aren't even remotely prepared when you finally are able to queue for real game modes?
Show me where I said that.
Go ahead. Quote me where I said that.

All I said was Gazlowe is good for learning to do mercs and objectives because it's his thing and lots of new players come into HotS stuck in the mindset that they have to sit in lane for 20 minutes before fighting.

Then you said every new player should just know how to play at top level and pick meta heroes and play them at that top level from the start as practice for when they can move on to ranked after climbing to level 30 or some shit.

And I told you why that's retarded.

Stop being salty and admit you fucked up.

>>162492491
valla
naz

>>162492491
All of them. Naz is questionable as he's a goofy pick. Diablo only if you're not a shitter.

>>162492687
>Gazlowe and Murky can carry games in solo queue

Here you are endorsing shit heroes that can be played in a shit manner to carry shit players in the lowest echelons of gameplay.

>All I said was Gazlowe is good for learning to do mercs and objectives

That's like saying dps character is good for learning that you have to attack the core because you might not realize it if you're playing support.

>Then you said every new player should just know how to play at top level and pick meta heroes and play them at that top level from the start as practice for when they can move on to ranked after climbing to level 30 or some shit.

I assumed that someone that cares enough to ask for advice and actually plays a real moba might want to get better at the game. I said every hero but three has a place, and I was absolutely correct. In no way shape or form is that telling him to pick only meta heroes. You are a fucking moron and you always will be unless you can learn to think objectively. Stop seeing want you want to see.

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>>162492491
>Xul
>Zeebo

I like laning, and clearing minions. Feels good.

>honorable mention to ming because i think she's fun, but don't play her

>>162492363

Raynor is a pretty solid ranged assassin to learn the fundamentals on, even if he does get fucked by Kerrigan and Alarak at reasonable MMRs. Doesn't necessarily mean you should skip right over him onto Valla, who is apparently a bit more meta right now.

>playing auriel before underage panda
>playing zeratul before thrall
>playing any tank before johanna

>>162489459
Fix the young Murloc first. Murky is utter shit now thanks to LiMing, Tracer/Tychus/Monk/insertfastattackerhere and quest/snowball talents existing.
Them outright murdering his OctoGrab didn't help either.

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>>162493292

Why did they change his Octo-Grab when he was already struggling, anyways?

>muh consistency
>muh counterplay

They really fucked the little guy over, and didn't give him any sort of compensation.

>>162493517
Even his block got fucking nerfed compared to others, whose block received a buff to 75%.


I can't wait for them to completely gut and butcher Murky with their "rework" - when all they'd need to do is revert the fucking OctoGrab hypernerf and make Murky not count as a hero for talents/abilities/passives.

what heroes should i have for ranked

right now i have

jaina
valla
muradin
johanna
nova
medic
sonya
sgt. hammer
tyrande
uther

>There are people that consider Li Ming a difficult hero to play

How? It is basically Chromie.

I mean it's basically "be in team fights, do damage and stay too far back for butcher to get you"

She's boring.

>>162494194
>comparing li ming to chromie

chromie at least takes some correct timing and positioning, li ming can just snapcast and has a blink

>>162494194
People are too stupid to aim and shoot or pick the best spell shield in the game when they need it, I've seen idiots not taking force shield against kael/chromi/nova/zeratul/instert burst hero and just die 15 times.

>>162493125

What isn't fun about Nazeebo? That shit is hilarious.

He is fucking unstoppable in pub games.

>>162494404
I actually meant to type "Chromie with training wheels" but it didn't go out for some reason.

I find Ming to be a great "we need a mage and I dont usually play mages" hero. I hate ranged DPS but Ming is just so easy to plug into virtually any comp and win with. I don't even enjoy her, but she's a good "I need a screw driver"

I figured that's why the gave her out for free.

Demonology Warlock hero when?

>>162494829
>demo warlock

you mean the spec that blizzard literally said that they don't want players picking?

lol

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>someone hovers tass
>oh good now I can pick another half support like monk or tyrande and we'll be good
>OH UR SUPP? OK ILL GO BUTCHER THEN XDDDD

>>162494789

Eh? I said that I liked Xul and Nazeebo.

>>162494829
>the spec they don't want people playing
>another hero that spawns a bunch of little shits

Nah.

>>162495163

Derp, I meant to link the same response you did.

I couldn't figure it out either.

Xul and Naz seem pretty strong, and nobody disputes Li-Ming being good.

>>162494710
I don't understand how people miss with a skillshot that is literally as wide as two Diablos.

I think playing her actually made me worse at Stitches. I got really used to saving hook for exactly the right target at the exact right time, because if I miss 16 sec cooldown, or I hook a tank and actually help them engage.

With Ming I don't even feel like I'm making decisions just "well I guess I'll throw 600 damage at the enemy team every 8 seconds."

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Why is nobody playing hero league? fuck

It's the equivalent of the night prior to raids resetting, everybody should be bustling for this garbage

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>>162495634
>placements

Bingo.

>>162495634
>>162495915
DED GAEM.

>Dota 2 copy pasted HotS' talents system but managed to make it even more boring
Ecks dee

>>162496087

Not disputing, but queues were only this long for placements.

Dropped to 30-120 seconds after being placed.

>>162493110
>Here you are endorsing shit heroes that can be played in a shit manner to carry shit players in the lowest echelons of gameplay.
Yes. We're talking about beginner play. Where these shit heroes played in shit ways can, in fact, carry while also teaching fundamentals to the player, like the importance of lane rotations, merc camps, objectives, split pushes, harass, kiting, etc.

>That's like saying dps character is good for learning that you have to attack the core because you might not realize it if you're playing support.
False. And I rebutted this before you even said it. I used the example of newbies who think you sit in lane for 20 minutes like in LoL or Dota specifically to counter this point before you made it.

Stop being autistic.

>Stop seeing want you want to see.
You'r projecting.

WHY IS EVERYONE IN PLAT A LITERAL MONG WHO PICKS HEROES HE CANT PLAY

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>>162496789

Mm, there are definitely some Heroes that just aren't played terribly well below a certain league/rank.

Alarak, Illidan, Zeratul, Kerrigan and Auriel are the first to come to mind.

>>162496789
plat knows the meta and what characters are good, but aren't mechanically skilled

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Can you faggots just shut the fuck up and say something nice about Valla? You don't know shit, your discussions are shit, no one cares.

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>>162497604
>valla

>>162497604
Is Valla even cute?

>>162497604
She's my favourite in Diablo 3 at least. Other classes get boring kinda quickly. DH is nice and comfy.

>>162497996
not the one he posted like what even is that

>>162497058
I honestly don't get why "this hero is good but I can't play him, so I'm picking a hero I can play well instead" is so hard to grasp...

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>>162498856
>muh meta
>muh tier lists
>muh counterpicks
>muh composition

Like, there are people in Platinum and Diamond who can't even properly attack-move on Valla, let alone Lunara.

>>162496992
The Anub'arak buffs didn't do shit for him, did they?

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I'll be at 20k by the time I finish leveling these level 4s this week.
Buy heroes with it or master skins?

>>162499574
>doesn't own johanna
bronze league hero over here

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>>162499357
Probably not. Did they give him another tiny health buff, or something?

>>162499574

Azmodan Master skin if you enjoy playing him, and/or play him frequently.

>DO NOT BUY SLUG MASTER SKIN

Otherwise buy cheap Heroes, or ones that have recently been reduced in price.

for those who have played dota, are there any rat heroes in this game? i played a bit during closed or open beta but never really found a character i liked too much

>>162499357
>>162499837
A ~4.7% health buff with a health regen buff to go alongside it.

Basically nothing. They should remove all beetle talents tbqh.

>>162499936
Yeah, they're labled as Specialists

Most of the specialists can rat

Azmodan, Murky and Zagara are the best ones at rat hots, Xul is capable of doing a superb job at it but I've personally never seen one doing it

>>162499936
o fug >>162500201

>>162499837
>>162500135
Poor fucking Anub. Does anybody even fucking play the poor guy?

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>try unranked draft
>this happens

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>>162500135
>another band-aid health buff
God damn it.
>beetle build
What's up with those talents, anyways? I thought they were shit, but always had a competitive pick/win rate on Hotdogs.

>full E build then just permastunning an enemy team prone to clumping post 16
i miss kinky beetle

>>162499936
>>162500135
>>162500201

sry if intruding but what is ratting i couldn't into dota

>>162500497
holy

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>>162500467
6.8% popularity

literally nobody

>>162499675
I hater her. She's 200% reliant on her team to do anything. She's a pure enabler, more so than even any support.

>>162499837
>>DO NOT BUY SLUG MASTER SKIN
B-but why? I like him. My win rate's in the 60%s with him.
I do already have Azmodan's master skin. It's pimp as fuck. He was my first 10 so I felt compelled to buy it.

>>162500467
Nah, he's a bit of a joke. Even if you're a good Anub you have to ask why bother playing him outside of liking him a lot.

>>162500548
Because Beetles are a huge meme and people fall for it. They should replace his trait with something else and have it so when you activate carapace (W) a couple beetles spawn. That's it. They're good for tanking a skill-shot or tower shot. Oh and they can scout a tiny bit if they so happen to run somewhere.

>turned off ally chat
>never get mad

wow night and day, thanks for the tip

>>162500548
>sry if intruding but what is ratting i couldn't into dota

avoiding teamfights in order to push walls, towers, keeps, etc and getting away with it

>>162500636
>Greymeme and Memeya that low
How the mighty have fallen.

>>162500636
>literally the least banned hero in the game

a literal nobody

>>162500548
ratting is no team fights. You dodge team and go after structures

>>162500646
>>>DO NOT BUY SLUG MASTER SKIN

Because then people will take you seriously. It gets much harder to play certain heroes when people know you've spent a lot of time on them.

>>162500497
BLITZ
L
I
T
Z

>>162500790
>meme meme meme meme xd

unironically kill yourself

>>162500864
>got baited to literally bronze-tier bait
Meme'd tbqh.

>>162500946
>i was only pretending to be retarded!
>another meme in itself

We've gone too far.

>>162501031
>no mention of pretending
>makes it up anyway
Meme'd once again.

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>>162500646
>hate johanna because team-reliant
>mains abathur

what the

>why no buy slug skin

Because you never fucking see it, and it doesn't augment his abilities/locusts. Like, just compare it with the one for Azmodan.

>>162500687
>>162500807
>ratting

Nice, thanks.

>>162500135
only if they're integrated into his base kit. there's always something missing if you don't take them.

>>162500548
>>beetle build
>What's up with those talents, anyways? I thought they were shit, but always had a competitive pick/win rate on Hotdogs.
I think it's used in higher ranks because Beetles block Li Ming's skillshots and helps to reinforce Anub's pick as an Anti-Mage tank.

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>>162499936

>Zagara, especially after Nydus at 10
>Gazlowe, especially after Robo at 10
>Falstad (global on Z)
>Dehaka (global on Z)
>Murky
>Xul
>Sylvanas
>Sgt. Hammer

Just a couple that come to mind.

>>162501551
Yeah, I was just never able to see how they could compare to his Burrow talents. 'Never saw anybody else make use of the Beetle build, and he's all out of meta and sad now.

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Daily reminder that Zarya has better skins in HotS than in Overwatch.

>>162501832
Lt. Morales can medivac your whole team straight to the enemy's core

>>162501551
How is he an anti-mage tank outside of Dampen Magic at level 1 anyway? Just the fact that he can dive? Because even that isn't exactly anti-anything, with how easy it is to either make it out on your own or have your Support bail you out of a bad position, nowadays.

>Pick Muradin
>Win
Its THAT easy

>>162501925
>tfw have this skin since release and love it

why is she so perfect?

>>162502056
I guess because he's a fattie with Dampen Magic that can block skillshots entirely via beetles while threatening a backline dive.

He's still not good even as an anti-mage pick but he's far more outclassed when you pick him otherwise. You'd still be better off picking tanks that are actually GOOD like ETC and Mura.

>>162502108
All these buffs to undervalued Warriors, and not a single thing to stop this midget piece of shit from being a 100% pick or ban.

>>162502497
>enemy team picks chromie and ming on tomb
>pick fat panda
>1v2 them all game
>landslide victory in our favor

I love double mage teams.

>>162502497
>Fattie
>Gets BTFO as easily as most assassins
top lamo

Does Tychus still have more health than Anoob?

Reinhardt when?

We need a fourth main tank.

>>162502754
Just looked. At 20, Anub has 4.8k, Tychus has 4.2k. Anub also gets his W so that's about 5k at the start of the fight at least.

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>>162502918
pls

i need dis

>>162500807
>Because then people will take you seriously. It gets much harder to play certain heroes when people know you've spent a lot of time on them.
>>162500807
>Because you never fucking see it, and it doesn't augment his abilities/locusts. Like, just compare it with the one for Azmodan.

Good points. Thanks.


>>hate johanna because team-reliant
>>mains abathur
>what the
On Abathur, I back my team up, not the other way around.
Abathur is the perfect, "Fuck this team. I'll do it myself" hero.

You can always start with a hat/mine build, pinging enemies coming in for ganks and using carapace/stab to protect allies or help them get kills. But if they suck you can stop doing that and go full split-push and kick down two lanes by spawning locusts in one and hatting the other.

And finally, and most deliciously, you can take Ultimate Evolution, clone a loser, and show them how the fuck to play their own hero.

I cannot count the number of times I've cloned a Jaina or Illidan or Falstad and immediately gotten a triple kill.

I've turned a ton of games around on splitpushers like Abathur by going aggressive on the side lanes during teamfights and letting my team 5v4 or 4v3 while one of the enemy team has to defend against my locusts.

Common mid/late-game play for me is to set up in some corner near the enemy base behind 20 mines, spam locusts before an objective, and as soon as an enemy comes to deal with me, burrow to the opposite lane to keep pushing and ultimate evo an ally to gank or push with while the enemy is spread out.

Eventually the enemy team always has to have 1-2 players searching for you or they'll have 5+ locusts killing their keeps. No allies required.

>>162502918
>>162503057
How would he work?

close range hammer auto attack

Q charges enemy, pins first hero encountered and carries them for a short distance, if you hit a wall before charge runs out, damage and stun

W ???

E Shield. Form a shield larger than your body, absorbs 100% of frontal damage. 2000 health? On a timer? Or like in game where you hold it down?

R Earthshatter, stuns enemies in a cone

R2 ???

Trait ???

>>162488431
That... actually sounds kind of fun. Dragon form sounds OPAF, but I want more nonstandard heroes. Like Abathur or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFu11jTuUIM

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>>162503606
>auto-attacks passively cleave area in front of (similar to Xul's W)
>Q hurls flaming projectile in straight line, damaging enemy Heroes and units it travels through
>W raises shield, keeping it held in the direction it was originally raised in
>E is his charge/pin. Deals damage and carries enemy Hero into wall, inflicting massive damage. (Self stun if no enemy hero hit?)
>R is Earthshatter, which deals damage to and knocks down all enemy Heroes in a frontal cone (handled similarly to Tracer's Heroic, perhaps?)
I don't know. Ideas.

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>>162501925
I was going to buy that skin with the winter sale. IF THERE WAS ONE!

>>162504494
oh right, forgot about his flame strike thingy

>>162504721
don't all the holiday things start on tuesday or wednesday this week?

>>162504812
Last year everything went on sale. It's not happening this year.

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>>162504721
>black friday sale offers 50% discount on everything
>they extend it
>this year we get azmodunk and some altered fates bundle at half off
>they don't extend it

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>everybody thinks Murky is shit and useless now
>adapt and trash the old builds that aren't working anymore
>become the god of CC
>do a quickmeme and get matched against Tracer, Tychus, Medivh, Tassadar and Butcher and while they can kill me, they still can't do shit against being wiped afterwards due to being slow as molasses

Feels good man. Fuck pufferfish and pufferfish talents. Just ignore that terrible skill and only use it for splitpushing and really fortunate fighting moments.
Don't take Living the Dream or burst talents anymore.
Slime & survivability talents is where it's at now.

>Two games off from Butcher's green color variation

It's almost time for Shrek mode

>play stitches in TL
>suck ass, group hates me
>play brightwing
>we win easily and I get MVP

Maybe I shouldn't get stitches and should avoid tanking all together. Did anyone else disconnect from Hots just now?

>>162505592
>everybody thinks Murky is shit and useless now
but she is

>6 wins 4 losses in placements
>Place into Platinum 3
Thats pretty okay I guess
Also when is Malf getting some change to stop making him so prevalent. Fucker just drops heals on everyone and then pops tranquility and never dies. Make it so its channeled or something.

>>162500497
>YOUR TEAM IS CURSED!
Damn Right.

>>162505771
Pretty sure Murky is a dude.

>>162505592
The problem is taht, just like Nova and Gazlowe, he's useless against anyone of competence and especially co-ordinance..

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>>162506659

>>162506659
>The problem is taht, just like Nova and Gazlowe, he's useless against anyone of competence and especially co-ordinance..

But that's not true at all. Murky has the 8th-highest winrate in Bronze/Silver, but also a really solid 54.3% winrate in Diamond/Masters.

You just have to stop playing shitty, nerfed builds on him and especially adjust your playstyle from "#YOLOACKBAR immediately go in and Octograb and hope for the best" to a style that values your murloc life way more in a teamfight. And also accept that Murky isn't burst in a teamfight anymore, he's utility/CC.

>>162489985
death's advance is trash and doesn't hold a candle to an AoE root + slow with a linear trajectory

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>>162507004

>murky will never gently rake his buck teeth along the length of your shaft while tenderly moistening your member with his succulent dick-sucking lips

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qt draenei yrel when?

>>162509772

hopefully never

>>162507323
Look at how many games that sample size is from. Now cut that roughly in half, that's how many games he's won. That is not nearly a large enough sample size to be able to base claims that he's actually good, when there's in fact a reason that he DOESN'T have a large sample size to go by. If he can actually work, it's in a very niche role, which in this game generally means pretty undertuned, which would be the cause of such a low pool of games to go by in the first place.

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>>162509772
blackhand when

>>162494193
Get all the 2k heroes, they're all good. And make sure you have more waveclear heroes like Kael or Xul or even Tychus. So far you only have Jaina and Jo. Valla and Sonya can do it only a bit slower.

>>162500467
I play Anubarak vs Medic or when I'll need to peel for my team a lot. 2 AOE stuns and a fat collision box is still very effective.

>>162500667
It's true, I only play him instead of Muradin or ETC because I like him a lot.

>>162510175
His was my favorite Orcish clan. For all the hate WoD gets, I thought he and his raid were pretty badass

>enemy team has johanna, auriel, li ming, tracer and xul
>our shitter varian goes for twin blades of fury
i feel dirty for carrying this shitter to plat 3

>>162495112
>someone hovers tracer
>i pick tass
>they switch at the last second to a 2nd mage
yeah, eat shit

>first pick abathur on garden of terror
why the fuck

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>tfw used to be a Gazlowe, Abathur and Azmodan picker in HL
>made at least one person cry nearly every match in draft
>now in Master
lamoing ranked is a joke though.

what do i do against the blade walker orc

>>162512369

Position near allies
Pick stun hero
Pick root hero
Pick hero with imposing presence talent

>>162512369
learn to tell which is the player controlled one
It's usually the one running away
the AI controlled ones are retarded and tend not to chase if you run by your minions

>>162512545
there are 5 of his clones at all times

So does the game take into account shit like disconnects when you do placements? Had a d/c for the first half of the match and the game was basically over because of it by the time he got back

>>162512754
Nope. Only ranks of players and who wins/loses.

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>>162512754
Nope. Better luck next time.

You aren't penalized for dodging while in placements, even if you still have to play an Unranked, Quick Match or Brawl to queue again.

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Fuck winning. Who needs that? I am apparently so much at the bottom of the barrel, the barrel can't compensate.

>>162513315
>tfw 60-65%+ win rate on every map except battlefield
>like 4-30

I just can't win on that fucking map.

>>162513382
I feel like Battlefield is one of those maps where the community is incredibly ignorant on how to properly manage the objective.

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>he has sub-50% on any maps

>>162513441

>team drafts the most pve damage
>tyrande solo support
>"oh man we'll melt the obj so fast"
>enemy team is all cc/disruption
>they get to immortal first and do like 5% of its health
>my entire team spam pings to defend
>why we win race
>NO DEFEND DEFEND

alternatively we get sylvanas and everybody goes with weak-as-shit early game picks and the game is over in ten minutes

losing sanity over this map because i feel like i'm just too shit to understand how to play it

>>162513579
>qm
should really go back and do this actually

i miss having fun

ranked isn't fun

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>>162513579
I did say "Fuck winning". I win so fucking little. I just did the math. 46%. I wish for forced fifty. Jesus.

This did make me feel a bit better. Thanks QM for making the enemy team retards.

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>Nexus Frenzy Falstad with a Stimdrone

>>162513579
>flexing about group queueing in QM
Pathetic

>>162514805
>sometimes solo
>sometimes as 2
>sometimes as 3
>sometimes as 4
>sometimes as 5
Also nice,
>b-b-b-but QM
meme. Exact same game. You could even argue it's harder since you don't know the up-coming map, can't counter-pick and can't ban. I see no reason to be so upset over players that are better than you, anon.

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>>162490852
Well, the Gravekeeper is a beta loser without realm.

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>>162515816
Well at least I don't act like I've got a massive corkscrew bird cock up my ass at all times.

>we get xul on blackheart bay
>we agree in draft to go 4 on bot since we have xul top and sylvanas on the team as well
>our sylvanas changes to tyrande at the last second
>goes top and refuses to leave
>"i can solo top wtf"
>xul gets ganked since we can't pressure bot enough
>he bitches about losing the game
i hope he fucking dies

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>>162514907
Don't get mad just because you got called out for inflating your pathetic ego over stomping pubs with premades.

>>162517534
>more projection and baseless assumptions
I thank you for the little bits of entertainment between games.

>>162517315

>hover xul on bhb, not knowing about the 1/4 split people are doing with him
>everybody gets excited when he isn't banned and says they'll just push as 4 bot and i soak top solo
>oh thats a little spooky but we can try it
>they don't pressure bot very hard
>they lose the 5 coins bot
>so little pressure is being put out by them that they have two people top
>team loses the 4v3
>get blamed for not soaking enough experience
>i miss like four minions
>this is high diamond in hots of the storm


i've since stopped playing ranked and am much happier

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>>162517534
>WAAAHH SOMEONE IS HAVING FUN IN A WAY I DONT LIKE!

>>162517625
>buttmad enough to respond
>incapable of making a real rebuttal
Relax, son. It's just a game. Don't get so worked up over anonymous banter. Spend this time watching tutorial videos and reading pro forums instead so you can improve at the game.

>>162517767
>He does it for free

>>162517736
Who said it was wrong?
I just said it was pathetic. :3

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All beetle talents should be baseline, then rework the beetle talents to something more fun.

Something like % increase to your W shield for each beetle you have active, maybe sacrificing them in the process, which could have synergy with a talent that makes beetles explode into little clouds of disease if they are killed, or maybe a beetle lives for the entire duration of it's life, instead of dying it's reborn as a stronger, sturdier beetle. Which could then synergize with a talent that allows you to have up to 5 permanent beetle pets that follow him around, like in WC3.

He has so much potential for a legitimate fun talent tree, but they're so fucking bad about giving everyone fun interactive talents that truly fit the hero fantasy. Either bad at it, or simply just don't care to do it for everyone. coughgazlowenovacough

>>162518658
>He wasn't around for OP Anub.

You don't know what that shit.

>QM to level unplayed heroes to 5
>run up against a Medivh queued with a tank who specs full support and hearthsteps all over the place every time he saves someone
>check his profile
>he's trapped in Platinum

What did they mean by this?

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>>162519103
>queue into a full premade in quick match
>real composition
>they have massive lead the whole game
>throw it all away taking a risky boss and we ace them
>they rush into us
>ace them again
>win
>check their profile and whisper the highest ranked one "ez"
>get whispered novels from several of them
>regret not screnshotting it

also had similar instances in which we lost and that was horribly tilting

>also friend wanted to try out game and we played quick match
>queue into cho'gall that seems okay
>check profile
>top 10 GM

oh quick match you tricky thing, you

>>162512892
>>162512947
ended up gold 2

neat

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>>162519305

Whoops, didn't mention the first group was bstepping all over the place after every kill, and generally whenever they could.

just thought it'd be terribly funny to whisper them something and see how it went

>im not toxic usually pls

>>162519403

o nice grats

>>162519305
>>162519419

And just when Blizzard thought they made this game BM proof

>top 10 GM cho'gall
fuck I can't imagine how annoying he must have been to face for the other team

Cho'Gall seems like he's extremely hard to fuck up. Overextend? mountains of hp on top of a fucking sprint and a fist charge, as well as a heal and the ability to shield

fucking bullshit hero tbQh if anybody ever dies on Cho'Gall and it isn't because of a Tychus then they suck fat dicks

>>162518791
I was. It was only bad because of the hero pool at the time. Nowadays it wouldn't be as bad. You've got much more mobility, better sustain to go around in general, etc.

I don't want THAT again, I just want them to rework his shitty talent tree and embrace how fun the beetles are, considering they were a huge part of the hero in WC3.

>>162519752
>bm

oh another one is keybinding dance to something easy to reach then alternating between it and S

>start dancing
>cancel animation
>begin dancing again
probably one of the thing i've missed the most about league desu. can't do it with /taunt because it self-stuns you, at least at last check

also we killed the cho'gall eventually but it didn't matter. I was on Gazlowe so like what can i do to help besides offer spooky zone control

>>162519752
you're such a fucking shitter, that fist charge is cancelled by literally any sort of cc and he can be bodyblocked easily by any hero in the game

>dota now has talents and does them better than hots
Why are you all even playing the game now? Everything hots had that made it unique is now gone

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>>162520216
>quick games
>time invested
>potential future heroes
>heroes/characters i like
>wowtoken might give battle.net money, so i can use wow gold to buy hots skins
>maybe games'll change and league/dota friends will come try it
>maybe not

stay positive

;-;

>>162520204
>bodyblocked
no. He knocks people out of his path, damaging them.

>>162520216
Better how?
>every tier is choice one of two
>they're all +# stat
>-death timer
>x also does y (such as pierce MI)
>extra attack range
It's cool and a bit un-called for, but better how?

>>162520114
>bm

yeah yeah I know. I didn't know what else to call it. Being a dick. Dance canceling sounds pretty funny but if I were on the receiving end I'd probably tilt a little.

>Gazlowe

i see you enjoy fun

>>162520204
he'll still gain some distance away from you with the charge and he's so fucking dangerous up close good luck bodyblocking him you cuck. Remember he has 0 mana or resource management and can just fucking S P A M spells? Fuck you bub

>>162520652
I think he's referring to the fact that stunning him as he's swinging his fist for the wind-up cancels it completely, and it's now on CD.

>two games between me and silver 2
i can't wait to get my placement matches done and get gold for having made my allies salty

How the FUCK do you counter Medivh in QM?
He scouts everything and constantly saves allies. His kit is fucking broken. Full immunity on a short CD and a long-range instant teleport all his allies can take? Fuck that.

>>162523083
>first twin blades
>then chromie
>now medivh

I don't even know anymore.

>>162523526
>inb4 wow gazlowe is so op! i chase him but he has MULTIPLE turrets that deal damage AND SLOW

>>162523526
He's not OP.

He just imbalances teams in QM. They treat him like a Specialist so he's constantly placed against teams with no Support.

And for the record, you are subhuman filth for immediately jumping to that dumb fucking meme every single time someone criticizes or critiques any single hero in this game.

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>ywn be this dedicated

>>162523880
Had a stroke, anon?

>>162523889
>any games as any other hero
Mediocre autism.

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>>162524223
>Had a stroke, anon?
Yeah, from your mum under my desk.
Why don't you respond to the point instead of talk shit, little bitch?
Surely you can. Surely you're not just futilely running your mouth like a pathetic little chihuahua mutt, right?
Surely you actually have points and facts to bring up in reply, right?
Surely you're not just shitposting like a fucking 12 year old, right?

>>162523880
This is exactly the problem. When your team doesn't have a support the game is massively imbalanced. A single stray abilitiy means you're fighting at less than half strength and every 6 seconds he can negate what should be an instant kill.

>>162524439
Pretty much this. It's retarded. And if the other team has a Varian who can also parry between shields? All your auto-attackers are useless.
And if matchmaking gives them a Zarya too? G-fuckin-G because she'll be rotating shields on to Varian in what few gaps remain. Varian will be fucking unkillable for 20 seconds straight easy as he rips through your squishies. I see it at least once a day. Sometimes with premades exploiting it, often from lucky matchmaking.

>>162524437
I'm not even that >>162523526 anon. But your post is very questionable. Even your latest post shows nothing but uselessness.

>>162524595
See:
>>162524437
>Why don't you respond to the point instead of talk shit, little bitch?
>Surely you can. Surely you're not just futilely running your mouth like a pathetic little chihuahua mutt, right?
>Surely you actually have points and facts to bring up in reply, right?
>Surely you're not just shitposting like a fucking 12 year old, right?

This isn't hard, kids.

I'm still wondering what that Loot tab on the menu is going to be for.

>>162524808
See:
>>162524595
It's not hard, 'tard.

dota player here, jumping ship because Jesus Christ this patch is ass. I got Artanis and he's pretty fun. He any good?

>>162525331
Solid. About to receive a slight rework.

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>>162525302
See:
>>162524808
>>Why don't you respond to the point instead of talk shit, little bitch?
>>Surely you can. Surely you're not just futilely running your mouth like a pathetic little chihuahua mutt, right?
>>Surely you actually have points and facts to bring up in reply, right?
>>Surely you're not just shitposting like a fucking 12 year old, right?

Come on. Surely you can think up one solid, decent point instead of just defecating all over your hands and smearing it on your face.

>>162525331
Solid, getting buffed into top tier. Will literally become THE hook character.

>>162525496
You haven't actually read anything. I suggest learning to read before using a website that requires reading.

>>162525504
Have you actually tried it? It's shit.

>>162525991
>You haven't actually read anything. I suggest learning to read before using a website that requires reading.

See:
>>162525496
>>>Why don't you respond to the point instead of talk shit, little bitch?
>>>Surely you can. Surely you're not just futilely running your mouth like a pathetic little chihuahua mutt, right?
>>>Surely you actually have points and facts to bring up in reply, right?
>>>Surely you're not just shitposting like a fucking 12 year old, right?

Still waiting, son.
Come on, senpai. I'm sure you can find a real point to make somewhere in this exchange. I believe in you! I know you can stop talking out of your ass and say something coherent! Just try!

>>162526215
Learn to read tbqh.

>>162526280
Again:
>>162526215
>>>>Why don't you respond to the point instead of talk shit, little bitch?
>>>>Surely you can. Surely you're not just futilely running your mouth like a pathetic little chihuahua mutt, right?
>>>>Surely you actually have points and facts to bring up in reply, right?
>>>>Surely you're not just shitposting like a fucking 12 year old, right?

>>162524437
>mum
You best be an ausfag. Drop your b-net and I'll add it and give you ts details so I can smash--I mean talk to you.

If you fail this, you're the ultimate bitch here.

>>162526397
Nah, English m8.

Newfag here. I would like to ask a question. I want to get the Overwatch Oni skin. I know I need to play with a friend. Can I play with two at the same time?

Only finished the tutorial, I have absouletly no idea about the game otherwise.

>>162526770
You can play with as many friends as you want for the genji skin.

>>162525331
Right now he's a tad underpowered but he's getting reworked in the imminent future to be pretty good.

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>>162525331
>jumping ship from dota because they added talents and healing fountains
>to the moba that had talents and healing fountains before it

>>162526802
Thank you!

>>162526770

>add somebody to friends list
>group
>play game

And that'll get you credit, even if you un-add each other afterwards.

>>162523880

are you okay comrade

>>162527008
Yea because those two were THE only differences. Terrific logic.

So KT kicked off the beginning of the damage powercreep, and Li-Ming started off the mobility creep.

So, my question is... why are mages the worst fucking archetype in this game? Ruining all the fun.

>>162486073
The main difference between Dota/LoL and HOTS is that you can carry an entire team of potatoes in Dota/LoL, but can't in HOTS.

In HOTS a team of 5 average(plat/diamond) well-communicating team-working players can easily win against 4 pros(masters) with 1 potato(silver/bronze).

The gap between "pro" and "just good" is not so transparent, because HOTS is more focused around teamwork instead of godly soloplays.

However, HOTS has more potential with sick wombo combos, and good plays feel a lot more rewarding, because good plays rely more on skill than number crunching/item builds in lol/dota(which is more than half of the game, just admit it already).

I don't think either moba is objectively "better" than the other, but i personally have way more fun playing HOTS, than Dota/LoL, since everything i do feels more rewarding, and deaths/kills feel way more punishing in HOTS aswell.

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>>162528298
> since everything i do feels more rewarding, and deaths/kills

i don't know

stealing baron/dragon or even blue/red is pretty great

getting first blood can also be quite the rush, especially if it turns into a double.

something i do quite like about hots is the short games, like, a 20-25 minute objective or boss is generally the nail in the coffin

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>team drafts solotank diablo
>diablo spends the entire fucking game fucking splitpushing and shows up to objectives 5 years late just to feed 1v5
Why. If you want to autistically splitpush then pick fucking Azmodan or Abathur.

>>162518491
>:3
fuck off you redditfugee

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>>162525331
>new dota patch appropriates stuff from HotS
>the least best of the holy trinity of MOBAs is now elevated to a status above dota
>dota players start flocking in droves to play HotS
what was icefrog thinking

>still need 8 placement matches for team league
>no friends online

why did i only just get interested in ranked boys

Does greymane suck? I rarely see him used anymore, but it's a pretty fun playstyle.

People just do what he does, but better?

>>162532198
Xul is better than both azmodan and abathur. He is better to have in a teamfight, and he can splitpush on most maps aswell.

>>162533150
hes currently at the third lowest winrate, so i think people avoid picking him. a good greymane is very good, but there are alternate safer heroes to play that see more use and have higher winrates

>>162532739
DOTA 2 was never good to begin with. People only play it out of nostalgia for the old Dota Allstars in Wc3.

>>162533150
Greymane's been a bit powercreeped and nerfed.
Still fun of course but there's no reason to pick him over better heroes other than stroking your fun-penis.

>>162533150
He's pretty subpar on every map but battlefield, yeah. Valla essentially does his job but better. Blizzard has said they're looking at him, though.

>>162533349
>He is better to have in a teamfight
Means nothing when the player in question was staying on the opposite side of the map at all times until it was too late.

>>162533459
Greymane is still subpar on BoE. Not as subpar as on other maps but still subpar.
It's kinda like Anubarak. He's subpar against everything except double/triple mage comps but then he's still subpar.

anyone want to do 8 placement matches for mount? add #ayrenn1949

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1/2

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>>162535345
2/2

So is Varian pretty much useless if you don't pick Warbringer?

>your team doesn't know how to use nukes
>your team doesn't know how to take merc camps
>your team doesn't know how to team fight
>your team doesn't know what they can take on 1v1
>enemy team does all this correctly
When is the matchmaking going to get fixed?

>>162535856
when you get out of bronze lmao

>>162535457

Kek, samething happened to me yesterday. was a 5 stack of 40s against me being lvl 28 the highest on our team and a paired group of 15 and 27.

I actually ragequit for the first time today. I guess that's a point in the games favor.

>>162535587
Shield Wall is only good if the opposing team has a lot of spell damage, especially against Li-Ming. In a case like that, Shield Wall is better provided your team has some CC of their own. Then you become a giant walking soaking wall.

>>162489247
Hero level cap will be removed in the future

>>162536487
don't they throw stacks up against higher mmr players?
they must be super shitters

Abathur buffs when?

>>162490762
The cc with tomb you miss out on is too great. Couple tomb with falstad and you can manually split enemy teams.

>>162492641
Nazeebo is a joke in any serious game of plat level or up.

>>162537249
He's not, though. You overestimate Hero League.

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What the fuck is this pointless award?

>>162535856
The opposing team is doing all of this too. You are just focusing more on your mistakes and their success when you should do the opposite.

I am so excited for this week's patch! :D
I am currently at work and there is nothing to do, so of course I am browsing my favourite general :) This is the week when my beta-experience is revived: Haunted Mines, oh good lord Ragnaros, I am so freaking hyped! (see what I did there? :D) I've longed after this rework for what seems like an eternity, and I know I'm not alone in saying so. HM was so much fun to play! Yes, I was not too deep in Heroes at the time, so I didn't feel the snowball-effect that much. Now however, I am soon to be 2 years into this masterpiece, and HM is going to be a different story to me, and my fellow players. In addition, we get the lord of Molten Core to play with, and he looks tons of fun! This is going to be a good week. Join the hypetrain :D!

>>162539690
>one guy in my team didn't know how to use nukes and died 7 times in a 15 minute game
>my team takes 0 merc camps
>lose all fights
>meanwhile enemy team takes all merc camps and wins all fights

>playing abathur
>30 seconds into the game, 3 of my team are dead
>30 seconds later two more deaths
>port back to base and watch anime for 15 minutes
I love Abathur

>>162520451
Lux in hots WHEN!?

What's everyone's opinions on Ragnaros? I think he's kinda underwhelming in a sense of "he's underperforming unless your team is losing, and your team is losing because one of their heroes is underperforming", but I might not have a good knowledge of the game to make this call

>>162539704
kys

>>162539704
upboated

why this game runs like absolute ass , my god is it hard to make good running game, every teamfight this shit freezes or drop to 15 fps and its unplayable

>>162541928
it's the blizzard servers.

>>162538284
Congrats! You have accidentally not been bronze this game!

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>>162485671
>tfw no rag till wednesday

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>tfw carrying with Abathur

>>162536886

I have no idea. I just won 3 consecutive games against a 4 stack of 40s.

Same deal, my team was sub 30 again.

Time of day I guess?

>>162543368
Level doesn't matter.
I know some dudes who only play against AI 90% of the time and are gold-tier trash but have like 2000 games under their belt.

>>162544984
That ain't shit, I know a guy with 2000 stitches games in AI only.

>>162544984
>>162545634
>AI matches
Fuckin' WHY. What the hell is there to be afraid of in Quick Match/Ranked? I could understand this mentality in DOTA2, that shit is crazy but this is just some baby tier MOBA.

>>162545756
In AI games there's nobody there to report your botting

>>162545756
>normies don't exist
have you tried meeting people in the real world sometimes?
like, people who want to get into video games as adults but never played them as kids?

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>>162545920
>people who want to get into video games as adults but never played them as kids
This concept is alien to me. Elaborate.

>>162545839
>botting
>Heroes of the Storm

>>162486964
But are you bronze 5 with 0/1000 meme points?

>>162539704
Cute!

>>162546071
>Elaborate.
Not him but mainly kids with either strict or poor parents who had no experience with video games until they got a job of their own and moved out and all that shit.

And botting is particularly good in this game since it's a "f2p" where you can just make a seperate account and set it up so that a bot will rake in tons of gold and even if it gets caught it's not your main account so who gives a shit.

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>chogall gets picked on the enemy team
>our last two picks are chen and zarya
>they're the ones spouting shit in chat and saying bg trash team at the end
>tychus and anub were available to pick
just fuck my rank up senpai

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give diablo tips pls

>>162546071
whats the point in botting? its not like you can gift or anything? wtf do you do with all the gold?

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>wait 15 minutes before queueing to avoid the absolute shitters on my team in the previous match
>i get two of them in my team again
>they immediately start flaming each other in draft chat
just end my life

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>>162548042
>Draft starts
>Person A: dont play tychus ever again you retard, you ruined the game for us
>Person B: I was the Jaina...
>Person A: whatever dont pick tychus it's a shit hero. always was always will be
>Person B picks Tychus, enemy team had 2 warriors
>Person A picks Murky because "fuck you i can't carry this
sometimes i wonder why i even play MOBAs

>>162547593
I dont know how the draft went but you needed to pick a support with disables like brightwing or at least uther/auriel

if the last two picks were two tanks it was because you lacked frontline, usually the fastest recipe for defeat is to pick too many squishies

>>162548205
I know the answer unfortunately, its the only fun competitive genre, where you actually fucking do something and win a match by working as a team, so very few games get a good mix of those things, rocket league might be like that but its basically soccer/basketball

>>162547525
>rake in tons of gold
Right... For what.
>>162547974
Exactly!

>>162547974
>>162548610
Sell the account or start using it once you unlock everything

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>it's another "your soloqueueing ass gets matched against a tryharding 5man in quickmeme with perfect comp and sticking together" episode
>get stomped in 11 minutes

WHY IS THIS SHIT ALLOWED? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

BLIZZARD YOU FUCKTARDED MONGOLOIDS STOP MATCHING 5 MANS AGAINST ANYTHING OTHER THAN 5 MANS.

>>162548716
do people actually buy hots account? :^)

>>162548930
>solo que in qm

nigga u were askin for it

Is platinum considered good?

>>162550708
honestly, not really, diamond is way too inflated with people and were all terrible