/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Wow... that's a cute tummy /rlg/-chan! May I pinch it?

>>162311457
>a shit god that bad players think is good but the best players also think is good for niche uses (speedruns)
is chei the deepest god?

>>162311594
orb guardians can zerk

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you stupid fucks better not post @.gif again

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>>162312507

>>162312275
Orb guardians are fucking weak.

The only scary thing in Zot are Orbs of Fire, and they are pretty easy with rF++ and rMut. Once you're in Zot you've basically won.

>>162312987
berserk orb guardians do a lot of damage, especially if you have poor defenses (you have no excuses for having bad defenses with chei but this is reddit after all)

>>162312987
>rMut
What's that?

>>162313205
Mutation resistance

>Poscheng
>Second quest reward ring has A:*Identify*

Neat.

>>162312275
never reply to my posts again

>>162313681
you can only post itt if you have ever touched an orb

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>>162313827
dumbquestionsposter here, can i stay to continue to waste everyone's time by asking things that are covered in the OP?

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>>162314157
NO!

Does anyone else think the orb run is far more dangerous than people give it credit for?

I was ascending the other day and I had to pass through a completely open dungeon level where the only 3 staircases up were on the opposite side, all next to each other.

I'd have been completely fucked if a panlord or level 1 demon got summoned there. Ice fiends, in particular, can torment and hit like a truck.

Orb run is pretty benign most of the time, but I feel is the most dangerous part of the game once you get past early game.

Especially if you get some bullshit like a panlord who summons those eyes than can paralyze you without a MR check.

>>162312275

Chei is the best for melee speedruns because he's literally (literally) the best god. His massive buffs is present in every single turn you move unlike bloat gods like Trog, TSO, Makhleb that need bloat buttons in order to be useful and other bloat gods that I can't be bothered to remember.

>>162314157
you are not allowed to frogpost in dungeon crawl stone soup general

>>162314580
>His massive buffs is present in every single turn you move
You mean his massive nerfs?

>bloat gods like Trog, TSO, Makhleb that need bloat buttons in order to be useful
Chei is an invo-heavy god.

>>162314580
>Makhleb that need bloat buttons in order to be useful
Makhleb would still be top-tier if he only had his passive hp on kills power.

>>162314456
>Orb run is pretty benign most of the time, but I feel is the most dangerous part of the game once you get past early game.

Most dangerous part is the third rune.

>>162314693

You don't even need any of his buttons to win a game. Do you seriously need anything other than a free +45 stats that you could get as early as L:1 to win a 15 rune?

>>162314980
most dangerous is d:3 to d:6 but i find the first lair rune can get pretty nasty

>>162313827
>tfw gettin merked off screen from a panlord on the orb run
WRYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>162311971
Who is the pedo in cam?

Are we shifting into the camwhore celeb phase of generals?

>>162314456
dude do you even use digging wands?

>>162315191
i don't think a single e-celeb plays any of the games discussed in this thread, they stick to isaac/etc

>>162315285
>no e-celebs
God willing, anon, it stays that way.

>>162315051
being able to run away from things and re-position in combat is nice to have

DCSS poll

http://www.strawpoll.me/11840131
http://www.strawpoll.me/11840131

>>162315284
Yes, but like I said, that specific level was completely open, as in there was nothing to dig. I still ascended the character and won, but if anything dangerous got summoned I would have been done for.

>>162315407

Running away is just a waste of turncount. Not being able to kill every single popcorn due to poor skilling and initial positioning is a huge FAULT in itself, a bigger fault than melee'ing a D3 ogre and getting one shotted by an annihilator in Elf:3.

>>162315516
>Late game (Vault, Depths, Zot)
>1 vote

whoever you are, log onto github and remove yourself

>>162145496
I don't have a link to the current TAS, but I know the runners are ais523 from #nethack and dwangoAC of TASVideos

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>>162312089

>>162314157
don't worry pepe, I will protect your chubby tummy from the neo nazis

DCSS Poll

https://www.strawpoll.me/11840199

>>162314593
but what about all the other games like brogue and angband

>>162316726
no

>>162315285
rogueliker
dicksman
some dude was supposed to stream demon a while back but I never watched it

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>>162316158
please don't remove me I was just joking

http://monsterbrains.blogspot.com/2010/12/dougal-dixon-after-man-zoology-of.html

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Why is PCB so miserably addicting?

>>162317748
>exploded on impact

>>162314456
Try to orbrun in Linesprint and then you'll realize how difficult it can truly be.

>>162317748
how the fuck to I play PBC

>>162317851
>linesprint
literally just aa and press that mf tab button

>>162317934
>A seraph and 3 Daevas come into view

>>162318036
was your 2 (two) int brain incapable of understanding what i just said? press aa, and then hold that mf tab button

>>162317909
monk of nature, kick big J in the balls

>>162317909
buy a katana off of alibaba and apply directly to stomach

Which rougelike is the most fun?

>>162319743
The one where you get to parumpapumpum anon's cute anime tum.

DDA

>>162319743
nuclear throne

>>162319743
>roguelike
>fun
pick one

>>162311971
>b - the +8 Triple Sword of Concience (speed, rPois rN++ Int-3 SInv)

>+8 triple sword with speed and incredibly handy resistances and intrinsics

Just on the resistances and intrinsics combined with the enchantment bonus alone, this weapon is awesome. But I've never had speed on a large weapon like this. Is it as insane as I think?

>>162321424
ok i pick poschengband
which fun roguelike do YOU pick, anon?

>>162319743
Sil and play as a thief. There's something amazing about swiping all that stuff

>>162321887
Yeah. It's basically a better double sword.

>>162313381
He was riffing on the fact that it now only generates on, like, 2 unrandarts. It's basically impossible to get in any reliable fashion.

Since my vampire berserker now has the best weapon I can really imagine, considering ditching Trog. What are the interesting gods these days? On .18.

If you could have three (3) level ups, what would they be?

>felid ghost show up as humanoid tiles

BOO

BOO I SAY

>>162322608
>He doesn't like berserked stone giants, MR, and regen
Xom's the best. Pakellas lets you use rods and wands for once. Hep's pretty interesting.Nem gives you a lot of offense and support and the semi-random draws keep it fresh. You can go yred and have a deep troll shaman hasting and mighting your dudes. Playing tower defense with the mushroom AoE's, walking mushrooms, spores, and oklob batteries is pretty tight now that fruit stacks. I don't think you can zin which is a shame cause recite is dope.

NO

NO FUCK

I GOT KILLED BY AN ORB SPIDER BECAUSE I WAS SLOWED AND HE SUMMONED 2 ORBS CONSECUTIVELY

GOD DAMNIT

THAT WAS THE BEST SWORD I'D EVER SEEN AND I LOST IT IN THE STUPIDEST FUCKING WAY

FAULT

FAAAAAUUUUUULT

>>162322608
Makhleb is the boring but effective choice.

What's this weapon?

>>162322967
It was >>162321887

but then i >>162322959


so moot point

>>162323072
>rPois and rN on a vampire
So what were these great resistances you were talking about?

>>162323130

Int -3 bec. he's to intelligent for Crawl

>>162323130
I was keeping myself at Alive because I was trying to be maximum feral berserker vampire.

>>162323260
What a shame you ended up dead because you tried to stay Alive.

>>162323184
>>162323346
holy (+75% damage) BTFO

>>162323346
ar ar ar ar

>>162323346
>The fire burns you terribly!

>>162322959
>Get a couple points in throwing/evo
>no problem at all
Own fault

>>162323767
I had 5 levels in evocations and was trying to disintegrate it

should have just blinked

>>162322959

I lost a +12 rElec short sword of Disto to a worm pond in Lair during the tournament.

A fucking worm pond, anon.

Nothing smarts more than when you finesse yourself on what looked like a safe gamble.

Cataclysm is a fun game.
I slapped a zombie to death with an aluminum and got brain damadge in the process.

>>162324361
>with an aluminum
was that brain damage in game or IRL?

>>162324361
You were playing Cata, you already had brain damage.

>>162324361
>I slapped a zombie to death with an aluminum and got brain damadge in the process.
yes... yes, yes you did

man protection was bad before but is there literally any situation where it's viable now

>>162325209

whenever I'm getting my UC to 7 as an Octopode

>>162325209
smack something once with a dagger before applying sticky flame or spamming hexes

>>162311971
>Inspired by Dwarf Fortress and Firefly.
I know I'm going to regret even playing it since it's not a roguelike, but how from being a roguelike is RimWorld?

>>162325559
literally just play df

>>162325559
not-a-roguelike/a-roguelike
i still liked it

>>162325559

It's a DF-like, base building etc. Nothing roguelike about it.

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>>162325641
>implying I can even consider playing DF again after the massive fault I've had following a turkey falling out of a tree on top of me and breaking my skull and neck

>>162325738
DF adventure mode is one of the few roguelikes where it is actually rarely your fault

>>162325907
>rarely your fault
fault

In *band, what does mark of chaos do?

>>162326308
Applies other brands at random.

>>162325559
https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983
Find out

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Jesus Christ, Orfax is an absolute madyeek.

>>162315516
What is the purpose of this poll when there are already stats about player deaths and like 99% are around D1 or D2?

>>162328802
but have you considered that 99% of players are shitters

it's better to look at statistics from only goodplayers

>>162328974
For good players like 90% of deaths are D1 and D2, what's your point?

there's a minotaur in the labyrinth, but he's not THE minotaur of the labyrinth

what gives

>Meliai can open doors
Please feel free to imagine your favorite bee-related reaction image.

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>>162329478
well i got something from killing him anyways

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>>162329536

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>>162329536

dead gaem

>>162332347
Even the shorter games take 2 hours. It's not dead at all, just slow.

>15% fail chance
personalities other than lucky: not even once

doesnt help that i have 3int

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>>162332853

>>162332853
Grind your stat pot depth range and detect obsessively then

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>>162311971
O N E D A Y

N

E


D

A

Y

TRICK OR TREAT!

>>162333214
>implying there is ever any reason to NOT detect obsessively in pcb

>>162333604
I can only smash dat mf macro so much until I stop caring. Please have mercy

>>162333482
that kind of build wants vit + agi > str i think??

no point in blanking out the name, almost nobody plays this game, we'll have a good idea of who you are anyway

>>162333960

Anon, you shouldn't speak about delikate matters like that. What about xir feelings?

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Help guys I can only play DECj of Sif.

Also they finally went and fucked with my sexy caster goddess Sif with the latest version, fucking devs

>>162338357

>version 0.18.1

doesn't count anymore

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How hard is to win a 15rune with a HuFi TSO?

I wanna be a paladin in shining armor purging the evil.

>>162338357
Play a DrCj

>>162338789
Average if you're not a retarded tabtaur that can only hold down otab

>>162338789

The real question here is why you think a Human of anything doing anything implies anything difficult.

>>162338965
I have won a couple of times with a DECj.

>>162339413
The fucking early game, man...

I have tried go full weapon/shield, spending points in armor and hp, but i keep getting raped with melee chars.


I guess i should keep playing with filthy mages.

>>162339690
So is your problem with the race, the background or the playstyle then?

>>162339690

What's up with early game and which early game are we talking about?

>>162319743
Unreal world

>>162333482
what game is that?

>>162340428
Demon

>>162339940
>>162340012
Crawl.
My problem is playing the early game as a human/melle, all those 0 aptitudes, i don't know what to prioritise.

Hey guys, I wanted to start playing Elona+ but I am a filthy powergamer and want to be kinda efficient with my time.

Should I start a throwaway character and then make a gene?

>>162341056
Enough weapon for attack speed, some fighting cause it's cheap accuracy boosts and pick a defense. Then just don't overreach your base damage and current defenses. Evoking feet and positioning is your strongest weapon.

>>162341207
You don't need a throwaway character cause nothing you can do can fuck up your game. It only gets you that many more stats, loot, and xp

>>162341056

What do you mean you do not know? Prioritize weapon mindelay or at least lower it to a tolerable below 1.0 aut if you're a Fighter a.k.a oTABber while spreading exp to anywhere you like what's so difficult about that? You already know this

What you do NOT know however is most probably how to stay alive.

>>162341207
>>162341523
Yeah but I want to be efficient, I don't have all the time in the world to play and i'd like to start fast. I had another game lots of time ago and it took me more than 10 hour to start playing for real

>>162341056
What I typically do is I get my weapon to 0.8 delay, then turn on all of the defenses at once (so Fighting, Dodging, and Armour, and Shields if I'm a Long Blades user). This part isn't optimal but I'm lazy and regardless of what people say it'll still work, but you'll probably do better if you level them up one at a time.

That continues until I get a better weapon, so if that happens I turn defenses off and turn the weapon back on until it's at 0.8, then back to defenses. If I have a good that requires Invocations I just turn that on regardless of what else I'm training until it's level 10, then I turn it off and forget about it unless one of the abilities scales really heavily with Invocations.

Once the new weapon is at 0.8, it's back to defenses until Orc, which I use the XP from to get to mindelay if possible. If it isn't, I just keep the weapon on until it's at mindelay. After that, I level up Evocations to 10 or so, and then it's back to the defenses until they're maxed out or you're dead.

I'm sure people will reply to this saying it isn't optimal but really it's good enough if you don't want to micromanage your skills. This will work for any tabber. Playing a mage is similar except you want to just get a basic melee weapon to a decent apt and then focus on magic instead.

Is Dith good for just a plain tabguy with no focus on stealth? I've heard that the 'shadow mimics your attacks thing' is borderline broken.

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Jesus Christ Yiuf.

>>162344420
Try it and find out you're gonna die anyways

>>162329642
wew

>>162344050
So...what is the optimal way? How do I pick a good god? How can I tell if a weapon is better than one I'm using? What about rings and armor and everything? I'm very overwhelmed.

>>162345749
T R I A L
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E
R
R
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or copious amounts of nerdmath

Welcome to Roguelikes!

>>162345749
It depends based on the character you're playing and what items you find.

I'll assume you're playing a tabber.

Good gods are ones that have powerful passive effects, like Makhleb's healing on kills or Xom's mutations, or with powerful and simple active effects like Trog's Hand or any of Oka's abilities. Every god is viable for a tabber except for Veh, Sif, and Kiku, and you'll have to experiment to figure out what they do and what the best way to use each of them is.

If a weapon deals more damage than the one you're using, it's better. Skills aren't an issue, there's more than enough XP in DCSS to get proficient with anything you want to get proficient with. Very, very generally speaking, a +3 bonus is equivalent to 1 additional base damage, and a damage-dealing brand like Flaming or Freezing is worth like 1 additional base damage too.

For rings, wear resists if you don't have anything better, but slaying, protection/evasion, dex, and str are usually the ones you'll want as a tabber. Of these straight dex and str are the least useful as you'll need a significant skill investment to get the most out of them. Again, generally speaking, you can just add up all your defenses and use whatever gives you the highest total value. You want to have high EV and AC if you can, so go for what gives you a balance if the difference is only a few points.

Is this guy from /rlg/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5rZWRA_t3s

he speaks like he's quite familiar with /rlg/ memes

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Gee, I almost died here. Saving throw seems to be the only defense against Hand of Doom...

>>162347445
>ToME when it was still a 'band
Feels weird man

>>162347445
I might actually play ToME if it still looked like this

>>162347445
are the exclamation points after the stats really necessary

>>162347445
TOMEband was pretty good, too bad it "evolved" into roguelite

>>162347713
They signify that the natural stat is has reached the maximum.

>>162347628
There are several actively developed branches of this 2.3.5 version. The one I'm playing is called ToME-SX.

how much time do I need to learn all the options, commands and mechanics on pcb before I can actually start playing and having fun? it's gonna be my first band

>>162347909
Just turn easy id on if you don't want to go insane

Is Sword of the Stars: The Pit a roguelike?

>>162348139
Yes, but not a good one.

>>162348260
Why? Too much rng?

>>162347891
made by Amy

Been playing pixel dungeon for the past few days because i have no access to my pc. Think im going insane because of how shitty and boring this game is. Is there anything not in the faq you guys can reccomend me that is playable on a shitty screen?

>>162348846
unnethack
dcss online

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Just reposting from previous thread that I recently did merge PCBR and pseudo.
https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR and branch 'PseudoellipsisposchenbandR'.

I actually included debug-compile in it, as well, so you don't necessarily need to compile it.

>>162347909
Not really, but it is rather different from Crawl in playstyle.
It shouldn't be too hard to get into.

>>162348846
POWDER
Gotta wiki up though, spoiler heavy.

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lol how's it feel cunt

>>162342416
And that doesn't change. no matter how many games you play. You still need to do jobs to raise fame so you get more platinum. You still need to grind out your core skill set 1 platinum at a time. You still have to get medals together to buy shit. You still have to hoard gear for your eventual run by the other guild masters to get their guild locked skills. The pastebins tell you what to do, read them including all the subpastas and just deal with it or get counseling for your autism.

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>>162311971

>tfw +14 crystal plate armor god gift in combination with the massive AC bonuses that come with being a gargoyle

Praise Okawaru!

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>>162345749
Optimal doesn't matter. Know enemy stat blocks. Know yours. Fight what you can, run from you can't. A retard will still splat MiBe's like hotcakes if they can't handle that while you'll be ascending humans then mummies in no time.

>>162351473
Amy addition: be a snail tourist, best class/race combo in the game. Not having to bother with figuring out what piece of equipment is best for every slot (because you only have three slots total) makes things so much easier, and the class's special feat also rocks!

>>162346393
Kiku's great for tabber hybrids as long as they reached the point where they can survive siphoning xp away from melee. One of my favorite wins was a HOGl of Kiku that reamed zot with hasted simalcrums and a berserking broad axe of chopping.

>>162351721
Did you grind hero cheeses and graft 4 arms and 4 hands onto your snail yet?

>>162351945
Planning to, but South Tyris gives very few party time quests for some reason and I don't want to run around with too low HP so no extra limbs yet. I'll get there though, eventually.

>>162351590
I had one run where i gotten a +9 or +10 crystal plate armor of regen
Was pretty nice for hell desu

>>162352105
Clear a dungeon hit caps lock and dig it out while watching a podcast, listening to an audiobook, watching cartoons or whatever. mining is the tits.

>>162347728
you you talking shit about tales of maj ejal anon

previous ones were good to though

>>162352105
Can also rubynus some dank #####+ of [resist] suffix gear from a high rank black market.

>>162348846
it would be a lot better without the bullshit boses

caves is pretty good
http://www.roguetemple.com/2016/01/24/caves-roguelike-by-36dev/

What roguelike is most similar to IVAN without the annoying bullshit that will ruin a run with no chance of saving yourself
(such as a fucking ghost appearing out of nowhere instantly severing a limb and not being outrunnable)

>>162352670
CLIVAN

>>162347628
>>162347728
baka senpai desu

>>162347909
Just pick some simple-ish melee combo and learn by doing, anon

it shlouldnt be that hard you get into unless you're some shitter who can't bother to learn ASCII and needs to be spoonfed with tiles

>>162346525
No he's from Tavern.

YASD REEEE

Merfolk Javeliners are the worst

Can someone confirm that the mediafire Furyband link is legit?

>>162356635
Stay out of the last floor or vaults until you got the skills to pay the bills. It's not like you need it immediately. Hell, you can even do depths then go get the abyssal if you're cucked out of both lair finales.

>>162344570
I'm still outraged they removed hammers.

>>162356863
Not him, but personally I tend to do most other things before going to Vault:5. Depths, crypt, hell, even Zot if I go get abyssal rune. Then go fetch it later on, since it is so tricky rune.

Also depends lot on character too. With smiting attacks ( ex. Qazlal ) I tend to go there earlier, since I can just fuck up specific targets with Upheaval and nuke the initial wave with Disaster Area.

>>162357102
Well, it is a buff to player in a way, since maces are better than hammers as base, and you can find artifacts occasionally from Yiuf's stash.
But RIP the flavour.

>>162351590
Oka gifted me the crossbow Damnation earlier. Never have I tabbed so hard across such great distances.

>>162358749
>the crossbow Damnation
IT'S HELLFIRE GODDAMNIT
I HATE THIS

>>162356810
run an antivirus scan or something anon

Does poschengband work fine on linux?

DCSS kept fucking up so much that I just started playing online all the the time, and I feel like I need a short break from it now that I've racked up a few wins.

>>162359362
>Does poschengband work fine on linux?
Not really.

>>162359362
Of course.

>>162359362
>Does poschengband work fine on linux?
you'll likely need to compile it yourself

some anons were saying earlier that the windows version in wine works better than the native linux version

>>162359362
Maybe.

>>162359515
That sounds like horseshit. Anon probably just doesn't know how to compile a program.

If I'm playing ranged in DCSS, is it better to wear heavier armor since it gives a bigger AC bonus? (I assume AC means accuracy)

>>162359940
i think it's about the ways *bands handle the separate terminal windows, not about performance

>>162360131
You're completely correct.

>>162360131

AC is not accuracy. It's armor something. It's the number that gets reduced from damage in incoming attacks or something like that.

>>162360373
Armour class, D&D term.

>>162360535
except that D&D AC is closer to crawl EV

>>162360373
Does unenchanted armor affect stats at all? Besides the speed at which your character moves

>>162360727

yes, but it if you don't have the strength to offset encumbrance rating there will be penalties.

How good are T2's possessors? T4 is getting them in 1.5 as the new donator class

>>162360727
It doesn't alter movement speed. But it can give penalties to melee attacks, and heavy armor will penalize evasion.

STR and skill offset these.

>>162360727
wearing metal armor makes u more conductive, meaning it will decrease ur magic resistance and youll take more damage from fireballs etc

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woooooooooooooooow bravo tolkein. I have shit perception so I'm probably not going to find the hidden door.

>>162361272
I told you to get more perception but you didnt listen to me.

>>162361272
Well, you got yourself caught. What's the next step of your master plan?

>>162361272
Then just <>?

>>162360246
I bet he was trying to use x11.

>>162361589
is 350 one of the levels with the guaranteed forge? leaving will mean he loses out on it

but why would anon be doing a smith build

>>162360882
Since it's a new class, it will be massively broken-tier like every newly added one in years

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>>162361848
not smithing run, I'm a dirty elf.
Found 2 rings of perception on the same floor after going up and down the stairs a few times. Should I kill Boldog or run back to stairs? I'm confident I could 1v1 him since I have song of Slaying and like 2 rage herbs but I'm afraid that his followers will go around and flank me in the hallway

>>162360882
I still don't understand why people haven't ripped the donator class into a mod.

>>162362452
Nobody plays Tome.

>>162361848
Only 100' has a guaranteed forge.

So I have a HuGl ^ TSO, used to be oka. First time doing extended. I've finished a couple of 3-5 runers before, but it feels like extended is just really, really unpolished compared to smaller # of rune runs. Enemies all vary widely in damage (and damage type). Pan/Hell/Tomb, ect vary as well as how they are layed out (infinite dungeon levels with chance to get a rune each descent! better not get bad luck and have to leave that level though!). Am I just bad? I could probably get my first 15 rune win, but it seems like such a slough.

>>162362839
Nope, you got it right. Extended is tedious and unfun.

>>162362827
Ackthually the 100' forge can spawnat 50' if you go upstair the first upstair staircase.
It'd be more correct saying that the second level generated has a guaranteed forge.

>>162361272
Well that's a consequence of your decision. Take a moment to reread the perception section of skill checks in the manual and rethink you decisionmaking and response.

>>162363214
Is that so? Post the code, I'd like to see.

>>162362625
It's a shame because it's so damn close to being good too.

>the mages all do crazy shit, but their offense all boils down to the same beamspam faggotry
>arguably the most interesting artifacts of any game
>cursed and brawlers

I just wish they added a death knight class and gave mages an attack other than their token beam.

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There's oberon down. It helped that his first action was to summon a zephyr lord I could enslave.

Late game mage is approximately zero fun compared to tabbers, but I don't think I have enough damage to kill the serpent and a lot of the awful uniques are still out there.

>>162362258
Go NW , get behind the door and spam close. When two orcs arrive they'll open for the opther to step into it and yo ucan kill him then repeat until they all die.

>>162363304
>Post the code
No idea where that is, does sil have a github even?

I just tried that several times and it happened every time.

>>162363365
>gave mages an attack other than their token beam
i remember arcane-focused mages having some neat/gimmicky spells

one summons an "aether beam" turret that just spins in place and zaps anything it hits including the caster

>>162363304
You look for it then. It's a well known fact in the forums.

>>162363463
They have source on site, plus with google I found this git, but it hasn't been updated in 4 years.
https://github.com/halfsickofshadows/Sil

>>162363463
you can look at the github for mpa-sil at least

>>162364164
we need a pseudo-sil so I don't need to compile it

>>162363669
Basically, game starts with 5000 'forge drought'. Each turn it is incremented by 1.
When generating rooms, it checks the drought and if it is larger than random value between 2000-5000.

If forge is generated, forge-drought is reset to 0. On failure, it is not reset.

That's from >>162363669 github.

Sil forces forges if, on mapgen, the roll:
>rng(2000, 5000) > turns_since_last_generated_forge
is true.

This forcing can still fail (I think?).

I expected sil's sources to be more readable. It's all low-level C shit that uses comments instead of self-commenting enums.

>>162363573
You should be willing to prove your statements with evidence instead of saying "well it's a well known fact."

I couldn't find the code that forces the initial forge from a quick grep of the source.

Is it a good idea to switch from Oka to Makhleb in a 3 rune run after you have got enough gifts from Oka?

Regen is very tempting for Vaults:5.

>>162364752
Yeah, we only have an entire versions forge meta cemented around just use the upstair after you clear 50' for a potentially slightly easier room on your guaranteed forge. But hey, what the fuck do we know.

>>162364448
That's Angband's code for you.

>>162364448
It checks if the actual generation-code fails to produce a room. Might fail to size constraints or something.

>>162365038
>>162364448

Well I mean-
it's code.
It's supposed to work. It works. It's not supposed to be there for spoilers.

>>162365031
Evidently not much about having discourse.

>>162364912
That just seems like unnecessary danger, you can easily Vaults:5 with Okawaru. Heroism + Finesse + Vampiric weapon shreds everything in there.

If you don't have a vamp weapon, all that means is that you'll need to teleport a few times and rest up once you have there's too much heat on you.

It's always best,no matter what god, to fight in a corridor in V:5, so use magic mapping when you enter.

>>162311971
new oook.cz comp:

http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php?showcompo=198

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>>162349412
Are there a list of changes that the pseudo, ellipso, mpa, and R prefixes and suffixes mean for the base game?

>>162365038
>That's Angband's code for you.
They should have cleaned that shit up a bit.
It's hard to work with shit code that you have to remember.

>>162365178
It's not just spoilers, being able to read own shit is useful.

Compare: brogue, which also seems to use mostly low-level C code, uses descriptive enums like:
>PRESSURE_PLATE_DEPRESSED
>T_IS_DEEP_WATER
>(FOOD|POTION|SCROLL|GEM)

I'm not saying that brogue is some sort of a code quality champion to aspire to (it has mixed tabs/spaces, really long function names, blocks of sprintfs with 6 arguments each etc.), but at least it tries to be readable.

Sil has many globals, aforementioned ints in place of enums (it has enums in other places, why not in that part of mapgen?), plus shit like this:
>/* determine the coordinates */
>y1 = y0 - (v_ptr->hgt / 2);
>x1 = x0 - (v_ptr->wid / 2);
>y2 = y1 + v_ptr->hgt - 1;
>x2 = x1 + v_ptr->wid - 1;
This is how most of sil's code look like.

I guess code clarity and clean game design are completely unrelated skills.

>>162366002
- mpa: variant by MarvinPA
- elli: variant by Elliptic
- pseudo: variatn by GenericPseudonym
- R: variant by FloatRand. he's the only one to name a variant after something other than his own name. idk what it stands for

>>162366002
oh yeah and the "pos" is "possesor angband"
cheng is chris's variant of hengband
heng some japanese guy's variant of zangband
zangband is Zelazny Angband, named after the author of the Amber books
angband is named after the iron fortress of morgoth from Tolkien's writing, which is where the game nominally takes place

>>162366397
I'm partial to "Remix".

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>>162366397
>>162366610
branches were a mistake

>>162366610
>>162366397
Good, now put that together as a single post.

>>162366397
R for Rand, probably.

Anon was probably asking for the differences between, not the etymology.

In which case:
MPA is largely convenience tweaks.
elli is the successor of mpa and continues convenience patching, as well as some tweaks to some of PCB's stranger mechanics, as well as some work on the no wilderness mode.
Pseudo is basically elli with a few tweaks, reversions, additions, and some stuff from PCBR.
PCBR is more focused on implementations like new game modes, races, items, and classes. It had some good UI tweaks and whatnot, but most of those were pulled into pseudo. Although apparently he has rebased his changes over pseudo, which means it has most of the convenience stuff from the above three and some new content.

No formal changelogs that I can think of though.

>>162366940
We'll need a third person to do that.

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>>162366772
pseudo's description on github accurately describes the situation

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*laughing archviles*

>>162367054
I actually left it open.
Original idea was 'Rapid', since initial goal was just to make it more faster game with less middle-game tedium. Still working on that. Rest kinda came afterwards.
I actually probably wrote somewhere that it is whatever people believe.

Remix. Red Label. Resurrection. Reloaded. Revengeance. Rand. Remorse. Gachapin Edition.

I should actually make a list of changes I've done, but I keep forgetting...

>>162317748
skinner_box_reasons

>>162367057
Not it.

>>162367061
Has game developing gone too far?
>>162367541
>more faster game with less middle-game tedium
I'm telling you, you gotta add the lost soul code from furyband.
That would be super fun and would kickstart you right through the midgame.

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Cool sword, too bad I'm better at punching then swinging a sword around.

guys whatt if we merged Sil combat and PCB bloat together to form PoschengmarillionbandR-PseudoellipsismpaposchengmarillionbandRemix. We could also add in the uniques from Sil like the various orc captains.

>>162367926
>2d5
trash

>>162368043
The bloat is bad in a game with permadeath though.

>>162367862
>Has game developing gone too far?
Nah

The only thing wrong here is that they all refuse to band up and work together, instead spending all the time on forking each other.

>>162368043
No.
Sil is pure.

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Yeah, I don't think I can do this now.

I wish you could have more than one character so I could shelve this guy for ever.

>>162368280
It isn't - it has "strip of dried meat" item.
Brogue is pure because you can't eat meat in brogue.

>>162368595
>I wish you could have more than one character so I could shelve this guy for ever.
You uh
you can
But yeah, petrified means you're pretty much dead barring a miracle. There's a 90% chance of not being able to make any action that's not going up a staircase.

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>>162368595
>I wish you could have more than one character
you can though

help me i have way too many saves

>>162367541
http://pastebin.com/MfA4nxEi
Here's changelog now.

>>162367862
Not sure. Haven't personally tried it.

swamp > snake > shoals > spider imo

>>162368915
i think petrified actually just makes you lose your turn entirely like paralysis

>>162369113
it's basically a once-only area that you start in where there's tons of crazy hard mobs and crazy gear.

It's basically like starting in angband 99.
The strat is to play a strong class and kill some relatively weak monsters to grab 30+ levels in five minutes.

> be me
> be playing doomRL
> play angel of shotgunnery
> want to finish the mode
> get anally probed by the goddamn cyberdemon
HOW THE FUCK DO I MAKE THAT BITCH YIELD?!

Also, why is it so difficult finding the super shotgun?

>>162369008
Don't inherit the memory though

>>162369381
protip: shoot the cyberdemon until it dies

>>162369334
> a once-only area

i thought lostsouls just started the game in angband:99

or is that only tome2, with furyband doing it differently

>>162369406
i dont understand why anyone plays without "full monster memory" turned on

>>162368915
I was scared and died, oh well. Turns out it wasn't actually cthulhu who was summoned like I thought, it was gothmog.

>>162369894
I'm pretty sure you start there and then you go up to the starting town.

>>162369982
rip

>>162369982
How many rFear did you have?

>>162369982
YASD.
Yet anotber serpent death.
it doesn't matter if it wasn't from the serpent it was his floor and it fits the acronym

>tfw you keep splatting interesting characters but keep winning axe-wielding tabbers.
J U S T

>>162370438
Two. There was at least gothmog and twenty star-spawns with a fear aura, so I imagine you would need a crazy amount to stay calm.

>>162371068
Well I mean.
You were surrounded by the captain of all balrogs, the highest ranking, most powerful non-god beings of tolkien's universe, with his posse of about two scores of other lesser balrogs AND the great old one Cthulhu.

Like, boo.

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This is just like my Japanese rape doujins!

>>162372118
>level 26
if you have any difficulty with a pack of kobolds i will laugh at + bully u

>>162372598
>tfw no Tucker's Kobold monster to sexually bully you

>>162372598
>tfw it's more difficult to bear with having to kill them so they'll leave you alone than it is to fight them
The bloat fights murder my spirits like nothing else.

>>162373495
try doing it as an archer where you have to pick up all your arrows afterwards

>>162373562
Try doing it as an Archer who was too retarded to macro until 20 hours in then dies a little under 2 hours later

>>162373562
You can literally hold tab and stick =g on your arrows, so you automatically pick them up when you go check out the loot.

Worst are blaster mages and device guys that simply can't kill entire packs before running out of offense.

>>162373770
they're level 5 kobolds
if i didn't have arrows in that pile i would just fuckin ignore the pile of worthless loot

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>Your oak staff of treasures burns up. [x2]
>Your yew staff of revelations burns up.

>>162371061
>crawl
found ur problemo.

>>162374150
>Going near fire niggers
Not worth it

>Azog is level 23 but orc caves start at lvl 15
>Icky queen is level 20 but icky caves start at lvl 20
so does this mean I should do Icky before Orc??? I've never actually managed to kill Azog yet.

>tfw there are no roguelikes that satisfy you anymore
What the fuck did this genre do to me?

>>162374150
>Hagen, Son of Alberich hits!
>Your gauntlets of slaying were disenchanted.

at least i got his spear

>>162375335
icky queen is not the boss of the icky caves

also you don't have to do the whole dungeon at once

you can hang out in icky caves and just... not fight the boss on the bottom floor

>>162375886
I fucking hate Hagen (the spear)
Such a shitty base item type but you're always stuck using it because of the stats.

>>162376041
seems ok to me tbqhfam

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>>162376343
forgot img

the quarterstaff inflicts stun too! thanks Nami

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Piginabag/Piginabag.txt

>"skullbasher" and "skull smasher" are both possible randart names
>i have one of each
nice

>>162378181
I should really write more randart names since I keep getting Icy Princesses, Crash of Rhinos etc.
Like write random name generator that can used for naming character during birth...

>>162378505
steal all the dcss randart names

>tfw you will never find the Diamond Edge "Plog"

>>162378615
Does dcss still have the names generated from random letters
>the mace of Shit

>>162378861
sometimes it does that, sometimes it picks from a list

they recently added and then immediately removed "Traps And Doors", among other meme names

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>>162323346

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>having less than 18 blows

i wish i had some mark of chaos weapons to make the messagespam even longer though

>decided to try out chaos warrior
>get a Long sword +5,+4 with Demon Orc and *Human* slaying from warg quest
>when I hit level 8 my god decided to blast it so it became cursed and -6,-5 and lost all slays. next level up he gave me nothing
why would someone play this.

>>162378615
I'l probably make sort of pseudo-sildarin thing, plus 'a' of 'b' sort of thing.

>>162380160
>warg
meant bandit

>>162380160
for fun

for max chaos be android chaos warrior
>wear random {excellent} armor you found on the ground
>get 12 levels and 12 chaos patron actions instantly

>>162379074
>they recently added and then immediately removed

an entire decade of stone soup development in one sentence

>>162380575
oh my god
that's almost enough to make me play poscheng again

i'm tired of splatting on D:4 to orc priests in DCSS and I want to play a game that's exactly like it
what's a game that is DCSS but at the same time not

>>162368613
I know this is a troll but you can kill other living beings in brogue, which is anti-vegan
further, you don't know how that strip of meat was produced, so if it came from an animal that died of natural causes in the wild, it's completely vegan to eat it
not to mention that true pacifism is much more viable in Sil than in Brogue (see: ally usage)
hence, Sil is more pure than Brogue

>>162382668
The Binding of Isaac

Can someone link me a compiled version of pseudoelliposchengband-R please and thanks

>>162380575
>PCB is so shit everyone just bypasses most of the grind by playing android
what did /rlg/ mean by this?

>>162384291
android only really lets you bypass the earlygame

>>162383974
Being able to compile roguelikes is a required skill to post here. It's hardly asking a lot.

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>>162383974
>try to compile with MVS2010 and 2012
>errors pile up
>microsoft personally calls me and tells me to stop being such a fuckup

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nemelex is alright, I guess

>>162383974
i thought it had an executable available

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Nazgul can't cross deep water. Should've brought your fellbeasts along, you stupid assholes!

>>162385017
Just compile it using autoconf and the makefile, silly.

What's the best way to grind once you get to South Tyris in Elona+?

I'm playing a caster, and the sheer damage some enemies put out is starting to be a bit over the top.

>Never ascended before
>Tabtaur'ing it up
>Clear out the main dungeon down to Zot 5
>cleared all 3 Lair branches
>cleared Vaults except V:5, >cleared Crypt
>tried to peek into Tomb but got way too scared by the shitshow once I went down the stairs
>kicked Geryon's ass in the Vestibule
>cleaned up the Orb Chamber with minimal difficulty
>on a whim, decided to go back to Hell and try my hand at Gehenna
>managed to beat it, but got into some scary spots with the hellions and now I'm out of heal wounds potions and have a bunch of bad mutations on me from the fire orbs in Zot

W-what should I do

>>162386739
Oh yeah, and I beat Orc and Elf obviously

>>162386739
>W-what should I do

quit and reroll as a VSTm of chei

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>>162383974
Since flavor.c had some name-generators, made use of those instead and made a quick one that is simple 'of X'.
I think it will work fine.

>>162385017
Just clone the git/download it zipped. There is latest debug-binaries available.

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>>162387508
>Just clone the git/download it zipped. There is latest debug-binaries available.

But I must compile.

>>162386605
You can get AP through defeating strong enemies. AP allows you gain speed through Leold in the refugee camp.

Also, eating herbs is an efficient way to raise your stats. Acquire herbs and potions of potential.

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>>162387803
Well, good luck with that. Gotta head to sleep myself.
No idea about those errors, either.. I use MSVE 2013 to build it.

How would you tier the DCSS gods, based on what you've played?

>Tier 1: Trog,Okawaru,Nemelex,Makhleb,Beogh
>Tier 2: Hepliaklqana,Vehumet
>Tier 3: Everything else

>>162388640
>Tier 0: MuMo

>>162382668
Come on nigger even my felids can get to Lair unless something really fucked happens

>>162388640
Very personal preference:
Tier 1: Ashenzari, TSO, Zin, Qazlal, Ru
Tier 2: Trog, Chei, Nemelex, Gozag, Dithmenos
Of those, I don't think I have ascended with Gozag or Dith.

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>>162388640
for 3 rune:
1. fedhas, trog, makh, hep, usk
2. everyone else
3. qaz, xom, arguably tso and chei

>>162388640
>Toppest
Ash, Ieoh Jian, Xom, Ru
>Tippety
Jivya, G€$£G, Kiku, Hep, Sif
>Bippety
Chei, Trog, Oka, Dith, Makh, TSO, Zin
>Bottommost
Rest except Ely, whom I have nevver played

>>162390275
I'm curious why you've put Ashenzari over OP gods like Trog and Nemelex, I haven't really played with it much but it doesn't seem that good from first glance.

>>162391920
truly the epitome of objectively bad opinions

>>162391974
ash is pretty solid (around as good as kiku, oka, sif, etc) but not a tier-1 god like trog

>>162391974
ash is a very safe god once you get your telepathy because you can't be surprised by enemies and with a bit of stealth you can trick them around pilars
also the passive intrinsics and skill boosts are very strong compared to other passive bonuses granted by gods

however none of that matters if you don't get the bonuses right away, unless you're playing a monk with an amulet of faith and plenty of remove curse scrolls you're really just putting yourself at a higher risk of an early game death and therefore you lower your total winrate

>>162391920
this is a bad power level list but a great fun level list (put usk in toppest and maybe bump trog a tier)

>>162391974
I personally just find Trog lacking for extended-game - although I might be biased, since only berserkers I played were mummies and spriggans.
I just very much prefer learning magic at end with lot of characters, and Ashenzari is wonderful for enabling them via boosted aptitudes and exp transfer. Plus passive abilities are nifty, too.

As for Nemelex, lot of my artificers died in Vaults.

>>162392504
I assume anon was asking for fun levels since a god power tier list would be silly, don't you think?
I don't find Uskayaw much fun at all, myself.

>>162392417
Interesting, might for Ash on my DrMo attempts if I keep dying with Hep.

>>162392761
*played recently(ish)

>>162392504
also zin is pretty fun once you get off the ground, the stat boost is nice and imprison/sanctuary are cool

>>162392810
to each their own, usk is kind of fiddly

>>162392761
extended trog is ok. he's better if you're not a bad apts mummy or a fragile spriggan

>As for Nemelex, lot of my artificers died in Vaults.
but that's when you have a massive fucking stack of decks with ****** and can also survive things like hostile summons

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>tfw

>>162392875
Ash is pretty useless in the early game.

So if you're dying soon after temple Hep is much better.

>>162393476
>tfw 1/2 of an autistic ettin

Are the fun new gods like Wudzu or Ieoh in trunk yet?

>>162395875
Wudzu? And no.

>>162395875
Wudzu was never getting in.

The unrepentant balancecrime sent the devteam into histrionic fits.

>>162396152
But how will I roleplay my Sonic OCs now?

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pounce time