/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

Does cave moss and floor fungus block clay and sand collection? It doesn't seem to for me..

>>161966986
those russians mane
They sure love DF right? We got told about slavic's creative powers before, can someone redpill me on russian autism in games?
>>161968035
although you are right, I got the chance to be in the house of a friend of mine recently who has the money to make a top-notch build for gaming
That thing would be able to move a game like you said easily, no need to wait years
for real

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>>161968462
Do you know about Likot Udendeb? It's an MSPaint adventure styled interactive story set in the DF universe. The original thread is on some Russian forum, but there there is some people on bay12 actively translating it.

In any case, the story seems to be thriving with activity. Now, there's even an adventure game in the making:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TBdNbS8Ojs

hey op, I was at /int/ when you did that
How sweden actually is in terms of inmigration, could you tell a proper stance on it?

>>161967073
>>161966986
>>161967157
I have no ability in any Slavic language. Could someone tell me where/what these are from? Are they actually Russian DF fanart?

>>161968692
I'd rather not talk about it, especially not in this general. But basically, the borders are closed by now. The dystopian picture some posters give you is 99% memes, and unless seeing brown people on the streets triggers you, the standard of living is on top.

Then, I highly doubt my stance is representative of the average Swede on /int/.

>>161968869
really? good to know
Always seemed really sketchy to me that sweden went in that direction

Bridges are a materials-efficient way to put floors in the sky; aside from raised drawbridges, is there any similarly materials-efficient way to put walls in the sky?

>>161968804
Looks like it. You can google "vertibirdo" for more info.

>>161967591
>Shields are best made out of wood.
I'm not so sure about this anymore. Obviously they're much lighter than metal shields, but you also run the risk of them breaking mid-combat now.

>>161970364
I'm not so sure that armour/weapon wear applies to shields. Has anyone had a shield degrade yet?

>>161970681
They definitely do. The weaker the material the more likely it is, too, so wood is especially vulnerable to this.

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>>161970681
They break. It's knda awesome in fights.

>>161971252
You know, thinking on it I might actually be confusing it with fire damage. I'm pretty sure I've seen my military dwarves running around with worn-out wooden shields, but I can't remember if they'd been fucking around with fire imps in that fort or not. Plus, I don't recall seeing worn-out shields in my more recent forts even after a load of sieges, so I guess I might just be retarded.

Either way, metal shields will still make bashing with them significantly less useless so it might be worth giving them metal shields after they've got their armor user skill up and can move fairly quickly.

>>161972110
fire damage is broken as fuck at the moment, cause toady doesntconsider it a imprtant mechanics for now, so dont worry bout it

>>161968462
how much did he spend?.You could play df no problem with a google supercomputer, but that's not really plausible. What really matters is the consumer grade technology. My 4yr old computer is starting to fall apart and for the same money the power I would get from such a computer is pretty much the same. The advancement has really stagnated.

>>161972110
They break, try in arena to see.

>>161972110
They definitely break from being attacked, it's not as fast I don't think, but I'll make a point to try some blocking tests later on.

Also reminder that ninedots' rocks prove why ninedots rocks:
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>>161974317
Comparision:
>mine
>Laptop of 9 years, 32 bit, windows xp, 1,72 gb of ram
Moves up to year 4, and inevitably dies in a normal setup, I've never been able to experience long-term fortress mode features. I really dont care because there arent that much to begin with
>his
>1080 p graphics card, i7 processor last gen, about 32 gb of ram, 8 cores (poor guy)
>can make a long-everything world reach year 150 in seconds. Aside from that, I dont know how does it play on fort mode because fucker spends all the time he plays on adv.mode

Life is unfair
Ye, thats unavailable for now(although 1080 is made to be economic tho)but in a couple years, it wont be, and dwarf fortress wont have advanced that much

>>161968284
I kinda wish toady would standardize and cross reference his menus.

It seems like every menu has its own set of hotkeys for doing the exact same thing.

>>161982007
I mean for starters, you should be able to designate things for trade from the stocks menu and use the search function to streamline searching through your stocks without having to hit tab.

You should also be able to integrate meeting halls with taverns without having to activate each one separately.

And if Kennels are obsolete, why not get rid of them? Also, why do you need both vertical grates and bars?

And why in the hell aren't most of the basic workshop functions in the raws? Its annoying that they are hardcoded, because it means you can't disable them easily.

Aside from standardized materials, which I guess Toady loathes, there are few other things from MW that are good ideas, like giving more than one leather or milk per creature when dealing with larger animals.

I think most of the garden vegetables and fruits are bloat, I liked it better when DF had its core crops like rope reeds and muck root, and everything had a dwarfy name. (Not saying fruits and vegetables are a bad idea, but why do you need 5 types of wheat that all do the exact same thing?)

Yeah, I know, DF fucking sucks now.

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>>161981476
I'm on an i3-3220, 8 GB ram, GT 730 card, the game runs great, but even adv mode can cause problems on 64 bit when you bump into say, 4000+ elf armies on the map and the game crashes. It would be nice if it actually used more RAM though, even that many elves only pushed me up to 1.2 or so GB.

>>161982878
Most of those veggies and fruits are shit that exists in the world now.

Will we ever be able to take control of dorfs in fort mode? Would be cool to join in as a soldier on invasions.

What pisses me off about the game is how easily the night troll are defeated. They are some of the bigest pussies in adventure mode. If you look in the legends viewer most of them are dead if the world is older than 150 years.

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>>161984134
He's kinda leery about that, but mentions it from time to time, you can use dfhack for it though.

>>161985151
Fast, strong, ignore pain, natural skills, like to wrestle and pull your head off... they're much harder than all sorts of vanilla enemies.

>>161983427
>Most of those veggies and fruits are shit that exists in the world now.

thats not really the point.

adding 5 types of wheat doesn't really add anything to the game.

>>161986206
Variety is its own excuse.

>>161986445
no its not.
realism isn't the same as verisimilitude

>>161986739
there is difference between what FEELS real and what IS real. Adding bloat just makes it harder to immerse yourself in the simulation.

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>>161983427
Are you walking around with a nigga's nose in your mouth?

>>161986206
No I mean LITERALLY SHIT THAT EXISTS.

All those fruits and veggies were shit I found wandering through various biomes.

You're going through a jungle and see a fucking date or something instead of a plump helmet, it's a nice touch.

You head to other areas and there are orchards of apple trees, peaches, you come across watermelon vines and wild onions.

It's a nice touch, and would be really nice if adventurer mode started you closer to the summer since you so rarely get to find these in the wild.

Then you come across a human hamlet with little vegetable gardens outside the houses, little rows and clumps of berries and veggies and such, it's neat.

Would you rather them just not have food at all?

No, of course not, so what, the humans above ground should also have the underground crops?

Should they just have generic "berry" "tuber" "gourd" "melon" plants?

Hell I look forward to being able to win someone over by pulling out a waterskin with their favorite booze, "oh... is that... perry? how did you know?" and then they're much more inclined to help me do something or whatnot.

>>161986739
You're right. He should rename every plant that is both grindable and brewable to "grindybrew plant" so that we don't have to suffer through fake variety. While he's at it he could rename every tree to "fruit tree," "nut tree," or "cut me". And may as well rename all the fiber-producing plants to "windyweed," since we're cleaning. Boy it sure will be nice to be rid of all that fake variety.

>>161986868
Hah, I think it was a zombie ogre and it took a while to cave the big fucker's skull in so I bit the nose off as a memento.

>>161987230
I could do without all those creature and tangled greenery.

>>161987136
>>161987230
You're an autistic cunt

Look at it this way, I love Stephen King. But you could honestly cut out HALF his wordcount and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. In fact, it would probably be better for it.

>>161987230
I don't have a problem with having 3 types of berries. Variety is good. But 9? 9 different types of fucking berries? 20 different kinds of wheat? What kind of game needs that much detail?

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>>161991567
>all variety in DF offends me, please remove it
fuck off

You don't think 2001: A Space Odyssey couldn't have been improved by cutting an hour of film?

>>161991702
The fact that you are defending this shit makes me think your part of Toadies little cult.

Forums are filled with blowhards who never even played the game who like to kiss up and pretend like like they are experts when they never even got the game to boot up.

Fans like you are what killed the franchise, people who get hyped for the prequels and then piss and moan about jar jar binks like you wrote the original screenplay.

Every endearing work has its hangers ons and sycophants, people who crawl out of the woodwork ready to perform analinguis at a moments notice to bask in the lukewarm glow besides the limelight.

Those people are beneath contempt.

>>161991018
(only one of those had a (You) on my side, sweetheart)

So what? So yeah, maybe I want to have a little say in what goes on in the games development. At least I'm not lining up to suck Toadies dick to have the kings ear like so many other people.

>>161991714
I actually agree with you and think that other anon is dumb, but that film honestly could have been a half hour episode of the twilight zone and might have even been better. The pacing is sometimes so slow.

>>161992270
>I dislike this
>i like this
>WOOOOW LOL WHY DONT YOU GET ON YOUR KNEES AND START SUCKING OF THE MAN, WHY DONT YOU MARRY THE MAN
>FUCKING SYCOPHANTS MAN LOL CALM DOWN I WAS JUST CRITIZISING LOL SUCK HIS DICK SOME MORE

I just think Toady is one of those people, when you give him a rubber band, a light bulb and a potatoe, he turns into mcgaiver, but you give him too many resources and he doesn't know what to do with himself.

>>161991938
>part of Toadies little cult
Why is it that everytime someone starts complaining about features (i.e. the taverns, libraries, or in this case, the flora) they always resort to this argument?

Are you actually one guy who constantly feels the need to shit the general up with things that belong in the suggestion forum?

Also, the fruit and plant variety doesn't hurt the game. If you you're mad that another feature didn't make it, just stick to that, don't talk about existing features as if they were the problem.

>>161992451
What happens on 4chan stays on 4chan

>>161992570
>don't talk about existing features as if they were the problem.

But they ARE the goddamn problem!

Half the features in the game don't work, 90% of the content is just needless bloat, the menus are obnoxious, the micromanaging is tedious, the game is bugged to shit, and if it weren't so god damn fun to play and try to figure out, I'd have tossed it in the trash a long time ago!

This thread is giving me a feeling of deja vu

>>161992841
I mean, what the hell is this game trying to train you to do? Program assembly?

To fix Dwarf Fortress

We must remove Dwarf Fortress

>>161979583
Just like an elf to equate a passing conversation to the species at large. In the most melodramatic way too.

>>161992841
Well, I happen to think that the diversity of plants give the game flavour. The recent manager update partially removed the need for micromanagement.

Lastly, Toady's ironing out the bugs when he gets the chance. Actually, I can't think of any remarkable bugs that drag the current version down, except perhaps the broken archers.

>>161992270
>implying Toady even reads shit here
>implying shit would be better if only someone would listen to you
>implying your view is correct because reasons

Look hon, it's cute that you think your opinion matters, even if I could make you stop thinking that, I wouldn't, because I would have to care about it.

As it is though, I can not bring myself to care enough to even argue about your opinion, but what I can do is point out when you're missing something or flat out wrong.

Thinking that the game would be better without the autistic level of detail Toady puts into shit is an opinion, it literally couldn't be more worthless than it already is.

Acting like you can't just prove us wrong by modding the game to demonstrate that things are actually better like this is where you are missing something.

Acting like the addition of variation in a few fucking plants is having any sort of impact on performance or the typical game experience is where you are wrong.

>>161992841
...so, you enjoy trying to figure it out, but think reducing the complexity in ways which actually don't make it any harder to figure out would somehow help?

Is it so hard to figure out the meaning of words like "watermelon vine" or "blueberry seeds" that you would be doing better with "melon vine" and "berry seeds" somehow?

You guys know he's just shitposting right

>>161991567
Having variety makes reading the stories more personal.

But there's obviously something to be said for things like masterwork that balloon shit out twice or three times over because we don't have a peg of square shape in the available square to rhombus connection. Which leads to needing rhombus to ovaloid connections. And then ovaloid to square and octagon splitters.

I think his solution for animal-men and lycanthropy is inelegant. Causes a lot of redundancy.

But its his game and may do with it as he wishes. In 30 or 40 years, it'll be open source and we'll have all the forks you could ever want.

I'm sorry, its just that... Dwarf Fortress has been like my lifeline for the last couple of months, its all I've got to do. I live in the middle of bumfucked nowhere where there is no one to talk to and everybody is redneck, a hipster or both, and the game is driving me crazy!

Everytime I want to do something I have to navigate through a hundred different menus and fiddle with a billion little settings to try to get it to do something that MIGHT work, then wait to see it does and if not try again.

Eventually you start to notice little patterns, like how you can never just order someone to DO something, you just have to SUGGEST and hope they follow your orders.

DF is the only thing distracting me from how fucking pointless and meaningless it all is, its the one thing I can control, and everytime something breaks I have total fucking meltdown!

>>161993506
Play adventure mode and legends only like me then.

>>161993506
You should probably sit on a knife if you're using DF as escapism from your self-pity.

>>161993250
Shut the fuck up, you pretentious little wanker. If you talked to me like that in real life I'd kick your fucking teeth in

>>161993636
>>161993734
stop stirring this shit up

>>161992290
No one would be talking about it today if it weren't as it was made.

Because it has just enough 'did it on purpose' clout to make people rethink dead air and justify it as brilliant.

If it were cut down and you had none of the long drawn out sequences where you get what's happening three seconds in and have to wait for the next 2 minutes, it'd have been neat and then never discussed again.

>>161993636
What the fuck do think Dwarf Fortress IS?

Its an escape from the deepest, darkest part of our life, the fact that we experience the world vicariously and spend 90% of our time in front of monitor or tv screen.

Its the funeral dirge for our lives.

>>161993506
why not try the rapist or dfhack if the job controls irritate you this much
also no wonder you have a love/hate relationship with the game if it's all you do at the moment, that's just not healthy
find yourself some hobbies man, or you're going to slowly go insane

>>161993898
It's an ant farm with a pause button. Stop being an angsty teen and get a job.

You guys know he's just shitposting right

>>161993898
isn't that every game though

>>161994007
your a funny guy.
I'll kill you last.

>>161994040
No, because DF makes you aware of it.

>>161993734
So cute, can we get a "fukn rekt m8" in there too?

>>161994012
Shhh, we do, but he might not realize we know he knows we don't care.

Honestly, I'd buy all your autistic shitpicking if it weren't for one simple fact.

Tell me you don't love it. Tell me you don't love the god damn game. Tell me that music didn't haunt you down to the core of your soul the first time you played. Tell me the hopeless exasperation at trying to comprehend a truly alien environment, a totally obtuse interface, tell me it didn't give you just a little bit of hope when you started puzzling together that hopeless mess...

Tell me playing dwarf fortress wasn't like rooting for a lost cause, wasn't like nursing a grudge, wasn't like giving a middle finger to everyone who had pidgeon holed you as a hopeless case.

Tell me it wasn't the first thing you truly understood that you could understand that other people couldn't, that it didn't put you through the looking glass and make you think about why YOUR opinions should be discounted, but some IDIOTS feeble rhetoric should place him on a pedastal.

Tell me it didn't please you to do something others found impossible, like playing a concerto at a music hall or peicing together a masterpiece.

Tell me it didn't make you feel like you were different, special, that you could enjoy something only a handful of other people in the world could do.

>>161994779
>Tell me that music didn't haunt you down to the core of your soul the first time you played.
Not him, but I've been playing this game since before there was a z-axis and I've never heard the vanilla music.

>>161991018
desu, not even him, but you are the cunt here, he brings up good points

>>161994779
Not that anon but when playing dwarf fortress for the first time didn't feel like that at all.

>>161992841
desu, most of you forget that the game is in alpha, and will be for a long time

Toady has the task to make one of, if not the, most complex game of all time
So many things, all of them tangling together and forming enormous messes if not taken care off
The only way he can sanely manage to spend 30-40 years of his life programming this without becoming crazy is to try not to care much and follow your guts
As >>161987136 says with the example of perrie wine, this variety could and will serve some purpose in the future, as many thing that Toady is creating slowly but steadily now

Its not that he is adding, ''variety for the sake of variety'', but he is actually implementing small parts of a certain mechanic, but to us it seems bloat because, unlike Toady, we do not have the bigger picture

If you think about it, releasing a constant stream of sand onto the ground is an easier way to make a pile in rather than instantly spawning towers from the soil, expecting them to mantain equilibrium without falling
Takes way more time, but you end up with a solid construction
Of course, if anyone passes by, they'll just see a dumb fuck pouring sand on the street, but they dont know

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>>161994779
not the guy you're talking to, but I've honestly never felt elitist about being a DF player.

the first time I was exposed to it was around 2007-2008, when I was like 14 years old. I didn't understand anything and gave up after a few minutes, and then forgot about the game for a few years.

during my first year of high school (2010), I stumbled upon the game again, and this time I stuck to it. for the first few years, I almost exclusively played adv mode. it wasn't until the very end of the wait between 0.34 and 0.40 that I actually got into fort mode and began to understand it.

since then, I've been a pretty normal DF player. I've never felt that elitistic sense of superiority that you describe.

>>161994012
>>161994329
Prove that we are autists
We have created reverse shitposting
Well done lads, proud of you

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apparently DF stopped recognising my saves all of a sudden. they're still in their respective folder, but the game tells me to "create a new world"
wat do?

>>161997128
Pretty sure /b/ invented reverse shitposting like a decade ago. Come to think of it, /b/ has probably invented every possible variant of shitposting, as well as their ironic and post-ironic forms. They're practically the Dwarf Fortress of shitposting.

>>161998405
Do you have more than one version of DF downloaded? If so, are you sure you're launching the right one?
If that's not it, try downloading a fresh copy and move your saves over.

>>161998452
seeing /b/ and DF in the same phrase confuses and bothers me

>>161993896
You might be right, I just think that it would be overall better with more compact storytelling. Though things tend to be that way for older films.

>>161998452
Is post-ironic shitposting just shitposting, or an advanced version of it? How far can we go? How can we know that everyone in our life isn't just shitposting in a level far beyond our understanding?

>>161999203
those type of questions, anon of mine, are what keep me up at night sometimes

>>161999203
post-irony is a state beyond irony, where you're stating something like you're being ironic, but in reality you aren't
thus, post-ironic shitposts are shitposts that look like they're ironic but really they're just shitposts
boteanon's posts could be a good example

>>161999561
The real question if this is the key in reaching a higher level of understanding, or if it ultimately will only spiral out of control not amounting to anything.

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>>161921962
.:.:.:.:.:.

>>161999203
it was inevitable.

So what determines the amount of total z-layers for an embark? I don't change stuff like z-layers between levels at worldgen and like 95% of my embarks are on planes and have like 100 z-layers, but my most recent mountain embark only has like 30 layers before magma sea which sucks because its got hematite.

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>>162001858
That's easy access to magma, you should make use of it.

>>162001858
Edges of biomes are often weird, edges of biomes and embark tiles are weirder, edges of biomes on the edge of an embark tile on the edge of a world-map tile are the weirdest.

>>162001470
Once again showing that ninedots' rocks prove ninedots rocks.

>>162001858
That's still more iron than you'll ever need.

We're talking about up to 10 000 or more iron bars, depending on the size of the embark.

>>162001858
Part rng, part layers between levels setting, part surface elevation change when embarking on multiple biomes. Outlier rolls for all three in combination can lead to extreme embark depths.

So how much do z-levels affect the framerate? I personally am not so big fan of having hundreds of layers. They might be realistic, but in a game-y sense i feel like having less would be better. Would I miss anything were I to make a world with 1-2 caverns and a lot less rock between them?

>>162004746
You'd essentially have a sandbox with less sand, limiting the size of your megaprojects, as well as giving you less materials for your metal industries.

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>>162001470
>mfw this reminds me of the Taliban destroying the Buddha statues

This had a lot more impact on me than 9/11 half a year later.

>>162001858
>Sucks
m8 you got easy magma, iron, and candy if that's also higher up

>>162005769
Are you okay, anon?
How the hell does that remind you of that?

>>162006046
it did to me too senpai
It was a big as fuck cliff, and the news portrayed the destruction from far away, like the drawing

I haven't played in a while, is DF still single-threaded? Until we get quantum computers, the speed of an individual core in a processor isn't going to improve much. Toady needs to put concurrency in his game to take advantage of modern day (or even yesterday's) multicore processors

>>162007954
No it's not single threaded and hasn't been for years, but yes it's still not "multi-threaded" in the sense you mean, and by the way: it probably never will be , and even if it will - after three to five years of nothing but preparing the codebase for that - you won't get massive or even appropriate (compared to effort) improvements from that.

It's 64 bit since one version though. There are some minor performance improvements in specific cases that were memory-bottlenecked (amount of ram, not timings) before.

>>162008462
so what is making the game lag now? CPU, RAM? Some base problem with the coding?

>>162008462
> after three to five years of nothing but preparing the codebase for that - you won't get massive or even appropriate (compared to effort) improvements from that.
Why is that? Is it because Toady is the only person programming the game? Because the game is too huge at this point? Or just the way the game is designed? Did Toady ever discuss this in the forum?

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question: what factors control how/when you get invaded?

>I'm playing on a pocket sized world (my computer is shit)
>the world's history is moderately long
>I capped my population at 75 dwarves
>I've been exporting shitloads of wealth

It's been about 4 years ingame and I still haven't been invaded by anything yet, is this normal? I'm kind of bummed, I'm sitting on a squad of weaponmasters and I'd like to see them massacre some shit

>>162008462
So we're just gonna have to wait for quantum computers

>>162009586
>question: what factors control how/when you get invaded?

1. proximity to goblin civs

2. population sizes of said goblin civs

Also, your wealth has nothing to do with goblin sieges. In vanilla, the only requirement is that you have more than 80 dorfs. This is a yes/no trigger. If you have more than 80 dorfs, you'll be attacked assuming there are gobbo civs who can attack you(regardless of whether they're at war with you). If you have less than 80 dorfs, you literally can't be attacked.

You can change it to 50 or 20 dorfs in the raws if you want.

>>162009586
The progress trigger for being sieged is 80 pop. Creating and exporting more wealth helps as well, but usually when someone asks this question they think they're a lot richer than they actually are.

>>162009045
>Why is that?
Because parallelization isn't going to speed up parallel processes that need to be in sync with each other. It doesn't help that temperature and item displacement has already been calculated on another core if the game still has to wait for pathfinding anyway (and vice versa, just an example).
Of course it's possible that there are improvements here and there - I'm convinced that it would be a higher performance increase in more general situations than 64bit was. But it will also be infinitely more complex, tedious and difficult to write. And all the bugs that might get resolved by such thorough code rewrite and review are offset by new bugs introduced by such a thorough code rewrite.

Multi threading is seen by some people as some panacea for DF that will solve all performance problems at once and forever; and some of these same people are incredibly offended that Toady doesn't "just rewrite DF real quick" to take advantage of multithreading.

>>162009007
The nature of a game like Dwarf Fortress. And Toady's coding doesn't help either.

>>162009793
Undoubtedly there are improvements to be made: code can be optimized, some features may become more abstract, and so on.
In general though, yeah - DF will always have shit performance. Detailed simulation doesn't come for free.

And you have to consider what people want and accept too. DF is as it is because it's just barely acceptable. When computer technology will advance, DF won't get better performance at the same level of simulation, but instead people will want more detailed simulation at the same performance.

Also while we're at it
>Multi threading is seen by some people as panacea for DF that will solve all performance problems at once and forever [which it isn't and which it won't]

The same is true for Quantum Computing in regards to technology.

What version do you guys play?

Im curious to see if people are still clinging to old builds that they like, I clung to an older build back before sieges were initially broken. Sadly I've jumped to the latest LNP mostly because I just like taverns.

Huh. Embarked near a tower for extra fun, and the siege arrived and immediately vanished.

Anyone know whats causing this?

>>162011212
Current version. Always.

>>162011212
43.05 with DF hack. No longer need Rapist so I'll probably just use whatever lastest version DF hack has updated to from now on
>>162011351
was it like a few zombies or a necromancer just wandering through your embark and went off screen?

>>162011351
It's a bug that's been around for a while. Since early in .40. The oldest report I found from a brief check was http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9202, which was reported for 42.01 but it definitely predates that version. It affects a minority of embarks, but when you get it once you're likely to get again on the same embark.

>>162011212
0.43.03 with all the starter pack goodies. Call me autistic, but simple things included like TWBT make it worthwhile

Anons is there a way to locate a specific room owned by a certain dwarf?
I want to improve the rooms of my nobles but I can't find their room because I made all the rooms identical.

>>162014584
(R)ooms list.

>>162014902
Thanks anon.

how do copper weapons/armor hold up against goblin invasions?

I never really found any iron on my new world

>>162015069
Good enough if you've got a decent military.

>>162015069
Mediocre but feasible. If the siege is led by a demon or has lots of creatures like Cave Dragons and Ogres than a lot of traps are a solid idea.

I have a watchtower outside by my forts entrance so I can fire arrows on invaders but the sunlight makes the dwarves naseous and the vomit all over the place.

How do I roof my tower but retain firing capabilities?

>>162016240
by putting a roof over it? I don't understand the question. Are you firing upwards a lot?

>>162016240
By building a roof over it, just like anything else? [b]uild -> [C]onstructions, either a [r]amp or stairs, then slap a floor down as a roof.

Alternatively just let your dwarves out in the sun more. Open up the roof to your tavern, and let your military train in the sun. Cave adaptation can be pretty disadvantageous when you need to get rid of an invading army quick (say, before merchants arrive).

>>162016552
>>162016567
Right, was pretty easy. Thank you.
I have no previous experience building outside or even upwards inside

Does making walls and floor smooth increase the wealth of my fort is it just pretty for my dwarves ?

>>162017109
Both.

Ok, I did some tests

For these tests I've made several human variants, each of of them has 1100 in one of their attributes, for example, the "human100str" has 1100 strength and the "human100agi" has 1100 agility. There's a variant for each of these nine attributes, strength, agility, toughness, endurance, focus, willpower, intuition, spatial sense and kinesthetic sense.

Here is the raw http://pastebin.com/Xcpy3KX1

In all the tests both fighters are using an iron short sword, in the first set they fight nakes and with adept weapon, dodging and observer skill, in the second set they have iron armor and adept weapon, dodging, observer and armor user skill.

Out of 100 rounds, the human won 51 times and the human100str won 49. In the second set the human won 49 times and the human100str won 51.

Out of 100 round the human won 51 times and the human100agi won 49. In the second set the human won 42 times and the human100agi won 58.

Out of 100 round the human won 53 times and the human100 tou won 47. In the second set the human won 50 times and the human100 won 50.

It seems like 100 extra points of strength or toughness don't change things much, but 100 points of agility do.

These are all the tests I did today, I'll also post the results here http://pastebin.com/UJ7k2UjX

Finishing all these tests is gonna take some time.

>>162017278
Nice I've been smoothing the whole floor where my dwarves live and eat for in real life hours but it still isn't done and meanwhile more migrants have come by the dozens.

>>162017396
you have earned your title of testanon
That's a shitload of job you gonna do, good luck and thank you

I think drawfags and shitposters estimulate a personality cult and should be banned.

So I'm wanting to get into Dwarf Fortress, I'm assuming the wiki + Lazy Newb Pack is the way to go?
How hard should it be if I have learned grand strategy games and RimJob with relative ease?

Fucking goblin shit killed one of my sheep and ran off after I send in the guards.
Is there anything to do against this ?
Should I put permanent soldiers around my herd ?

>>162018278
>I'm assuming the wiki + Lazy Newb Pack is the way to go?
Vanilla is the way to go. Just download the game and play it.

>How hard should it be if I have learned grand strategy games and RimJob with relative ease?
The game itself is easy as fuck. It just got the "DF is hard" meme because the general audience cannot into hotkeys, so anything that forces them to use it is a TRUE TEST OF SKILLZ.

>>162018763
fence or moat

>>162018278
DF isn't hard. Just a little full of detail sometimes.

fuck the lnp, download vanilla and follow the quickstart guide until you feel comfortable.


It's imperative for your fun to not follow the quickstart guide too closely. Experiment yourself, and take risks. Use the wiki for factual questions (what's a monitor lizard, where do I create parchment, what's the melting point of silver), and be creative and have fun with your fortress layout.

Losing is a normal part of the learning process. Don't be clingy with your forts, let it go and make a new one.

Also, take special note on this part of the guide:

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Quickstart_guide#Situational_Awareness

>>162019130
You mean a wall around them ?

>>162019196
sure

>>162019142
>>162018278
As for graphics:
Symbols are easy to learn (just loo[k] at things you don't know), you don't need a detailed tileset. If you want to prettify your fort, check out taffer, myne or wanderlust.
The main reason vanilla is ugly is the horrible color scheme, so consider swapping that out.

The tileset is just a image file, the color scheme is just a text file. No need to install utilities. More info here:

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Graphics

>>162019142
>>162019028
Thanks!

>>162018278
Wiki yes, a thousand times yes.

LNP not so much. It does a lot of useful things and comes packaged with several useful utilities. A brand new player won't have much use for most of those utilities, and won't know which things are Dwarf Fortress and which are utilities. You'll be playing an already out of date version as well (LNP isn't updated for the current version), and will furthermore train yourself to be dependent on utilities to play, always waiting for autistic volunteers to update their pet projects before you can join the rest of us playing the current version. I recommend starting with vanilla and using utilities and mods as you discover the need/desire for them. Lazy Newb Pack is something of a misnomer; it's a launcher with an .init editor and a bundle of utilites that experienced players will get the most use out of.

Where do I find military elves to slaughter? I was going on an elven genocide but I was just killing simple bowyers, merchants, and civilian elves. Died eventually because I forgot my followers when I climbed a tree so when I slept the boogeymen got me.

I have already played this for over a year. I already got most of it down and I want to start a "challenge" like starting in a Tundra or in a place with few resources and reach some goals like building X thing or something.

Is there a list of interesting ones aside from the wiki?

>>162020618
Good question

>>162021114
How about a multilayer aquifer map + sacrificial pyramid that spans the entire map in terms of depth/height and area

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>>162017396
Good job testbro

anybody have the picture with the guy trying to enter some monestary or something and a dude stops him and says he needs to prove he's forsaken pleasures of the flesh and he just holds up the DF handbook?
I need it for reasons

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>>162024846

>>162025169
thanks anon

>>162009007
Do you know what a cache miss is?

Do you know what a page swap is?

>>162018259
If you can explain what "estimulate" means, we'll get right on that.

>>162026167
umm when you can't find something in the cache so you have to access a slower form of memory
i dunno about a page swap, but if it's related to a page/swap file on a hard drive then i'd guess it's when you access program data that was stored on the hard drive instead of the ram

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>>161970364
>>161970681
>>161970915
>>161971987
>>161972110
>>161976845
I was reading this conversation this morning and decided to look around my fort to see if there was any evidence that shields could be damaged in combat. I hadn't seen any, so I was suspicious.
I still have on hand the entire arsenal of the most recent siege my fort received. I looked through all the shields and couldn't find one that had received any damage.

>>162027570
Yus!

Cache misses hurt, but you barely notice because pulling from ram is still quick, a page swap from disk to ram is soul-crushing.

>>162027671
Use steel shields, copper or iron are bad anyways.

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>>162027671
It's possible that this is just because my military is all legendary, and none of the invaders ever got to block.

So then I decided to look at the shields of every member of every squad of my militia. Most of them are using exceptional or masterwork bronze shields that have been in service for well over a decade, and have seen heavy combat use. None of those have any damage either.

One of my more recent military additions is Asen Sarveshserith. He's been in service for just under 8 years. He's notable because I made him a dual shield wielder, and both of his shields are copper. He has used the same pair of shields since his enlistment, and has used them in many battles both as a weapon, often against armor of superior metals, and for defense. Neither of his shields has suffered any damage.

I know this doesn't prove anything, but I remain skeptical until someone can show me a shield breaking or taking damage.

>>162028310
Wew, double shield user?!
i never thought it was possible.

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>>162028795
I've actually got four of them. Asen is the only one in my primary squad, and he was enlisted when my third squad was split off from them. My first and best speardwarf became the captain of the third squad, which is composed of 4 speardwarves, 3 marksdwarves, and 3 who use a steel buckler/bronze shield combo.
Dual shield users aren't great at killing, but they're pretty damn cool and fun to put in the field.

>>162029475
Nice weaponry you have there.
I guess a legendary shield user with dual shields/bucklers is a goddarn immortal pest in the battlefield.

>>162027671
Use dfhack, gui/gm-editor on the item and check wear/wear_timer, both should be 0.

The army I murderered had quite a few shields with x and X wear from the period where I was swinging slade weaponry around.

Should i start in a haunted region?
Quite up for the challenge, what should i do when embarking?

>>162029687
Yeah, I really like doing dual-shielders and I usually make a couple in every fort I do. It came back and bit me in the ass once in this fort, though.
Asen was on guard duty near the trade depot, which is very close to the edge of the map, and one of the main locations that threats like to appear. A werechameleon showed up. He was on it in no time, but couldn't seal the deal. Some passing civvies jumped in and 3 of them were bit. One died almost instantly, a legendary brewer, one of my starting 7, and the creator of an artifact adamantine morningstar (via possession). One of the others was also a legendary brewer. The third was my longtime mayor, who had also created an artifact weapon via possession, the platinum mace my duchess uses. The latter two were exiled to the 3rd cavern and killed by a forgotten beast almost a year later. To top it off, I forgot to appoint a new mayor before the liaison arrived, so I lost the chance for a trade agreement that year when the mayor finally died. Asen has been trying to make up for it ever since.

>>162030185
Actually never mind, I just did science myself.

Two vampire elves with the same skills in the arena, one with copper shields, one with steel shields. Steel user won, copper shields had no wear, and steel user blocked several times, no wear.

Switched and made a new one with a holy oak (better than steel by a bit) hammer and shield. Deliberately blocked them several times, deliberately attacked them several times and was blocked, no wear.

Shields do not take damage from blocking.

>>162030729
Make sure to try and stay indoors as much as possible

>>162030729
silver weapons

>>162031190
Solves that. Thanks for checking.

>>162031865
I'm guessing that the damage I observed was on stuff which had been sitting out in the elements for a while.

Do metal items rust?

Been messing around in arena with the various animal men, seeing which one would be fun to pick and champion for the tournament. I read that tourneyanon is considering weight classes, so I decided to give serpent men a shot. Since Serpent men can paralyze smaller creatures like dwarves and humans, I'm thinking of trying to capitalze on that by making a serpent man who is really good at just biting, then putting all my points into defensive stuff so that the serpent man can wait/dodge it out until the enemy gets completely paralyzed. the main problem is that from my very rough and unscientific testing it seems to take about 100 ticks for the poison to paralyze a human male, which gives enough time for the human to mortally wound the serpent man. Another thing is that even with grand master biting and fighting, the serpent man can't seem to even pierce copper armor. Trying to figure out how to make a serpent man viable, so help would be nice. Does lashing with a tail equivalent in to kicking in terms of usefulness? Because it seems to level up the kicking skill.

>>162032761
No. Armor items can wear if they're left sitting in a refuse pile (probably a bug), but I don't know if that applies to shields. Aside from that, fire is the only way I know of to damage them.

I've been playing fortress mode on and off for a long time now but I'm still pretty bad at it. I almost never use above ground fortifications (A moat at most) because building them takes forever to resolve and occasionally my dwarves would get stuck on something, Most times I just mine out a bunch of little rooms near the surface with a farm but then I have no idea what to do for the rest of the game, I never reach cavern level or anything like that.

What's the general workflow for building towers and stuff? How many z levels sould the average tower be? How deep should I dig? How big should a vertical mineshaft be? Where do I split off my mineshafts for mining stone and ore? How deep underground should my main fort be? I never properly figured these parts of my forts out so I'm curious to hear your suggestions.

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>>162034402
These were items sitting out in the wilderness from a big adventure mode battle.

Was from this one, I ended up whittling that 2307 elf army down until it didn't show a * on the map anymore and the battle covered multiple embark tiles across two different world map tiles.

>>162035410

> How many z levels sould the average tower be?
What do you mean? Make them as tall as you want them to be. I don't think dwarves can shoot things that are tens of z levels below them, so don't go overboard I guess. I tend to make walls around 3 z levels as very few enemies will be able to climb further than 2

> How big should a vertical mineshaft be?
Don't make those. Specifically 3x3 ones. Those are for gays, anon

>>162035410
>How deep underground should my main fort be?
You're main fort should always be in the stone layer at least with things like animals and farms in the dirt layer.
>Where do I split off my mineshafts for mining stone and ore?
You should never have to mine just for stone if you're doing normal expansion in the stone layer.
As you're digging deeper just look up certain types of stone in the wiki to see what ores spawn in them so you know where to look.

>>162036051
> How big should a vertical mineshaft be?
>Don't make those. Specifically 3x3 ones. Those are for gays, anon

Then what do you recommend?
>inb4 spiral fag

>>162036168
I make irregular ramps/stairs here and there in a semi-organic fashion, and then a big slope down to the caverns. My fortresses tend to be big with fancy wide halls and not particularly optimized

>>162035410
Don't listen to >>162036051 >>162036392
Make your vertical main staircase 3x3 up/down stairs and when you hit a cavern find a place that you can go all the way down and redirect your staircase to there.

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>>162036741
welp, that's what most newbies do. I guess it's easier but it's still pretty gay anon. You're spoiling him

>>162037009
Is there really any benefit by doing an "organic" staircase? Efficiency > Looks

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>>162037128
>3x3
>efficiency > looks
wat

A 1x3 or 3x1 or whatever is just as efficient, an array of single or double stairs spaced around the fort is more efficient. People do 3x3 because it's easy and they think it looks right.

>>162037128
>Efficiency > Looks
faggot

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>>162037128
>Efficiency > Looks
Disgusting

What good is efficiency? You don't even need individual rooms then, just make a big square filled with decorations and place a bunch of beds next to each other and use the same room for every individual bedroom. Dwarves won't know the difference. You can also completely ignore taverns, temples to an extent and the broken justice system.

In fact, if you're going for efficiency, just get a bunch of materials from the start of the game and then wall off your dwarves in some dirt mound. Having an eternal fortress is not exactly a challenge in the current build you lazy pleb

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>>162037646
>>162037668
>>162037808
>taking "Efficiency > Looks" as an absolute

>>162037646
>>162037668
>>162037808
Be nice guys, every player goes through the "muh efficiency" phase. Then they realize that they've been making and abandoning the same cookie cutter fort over and over, wondering why they can't stay motivated to play an embark for more than five years, then they give up and start actually playing the game instead of just going through the motions.

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>>162038675
oh, so now efficiency is relative? So a central 3x3 staircase is ok but not spreading up/down stairs everywhere isn't? 3x3 fags everyone

>>162039207
Spreading up/down staircases everywhere is still good, but only doing that with no central staircase isn't

>>162038929
>wondering why they can't stay motivated to play an embark for more than five years
literally fps death

>>162038929
My forts are all still fairly organic, I just like things like that to be very efficient so my fort doesn't just grind to a halt all the time

>>162039426
If your fort grinds to a halt because of stair efficiency you're doing something very wrong.

>>162039338
>but only doing that with no central staircase isn't
If you're spreading up/down staircases everywhere you don't need a central one. You can have several small staircases leading to the cavern layers

>>162039659
>dwarf needs to go to the cavern layer
>has to walk over 1000 extra steps to get there

not to mention that the extra pathing each dwarf has to do increases CPU load only further contributing to FPS death

magic system fucking when

In my opinion efficiency and style should be two halves of the same coin. It's not necessarily stylish to have a bunch of illogical staircases or make your dwarves go down unnecessary corridors in order to reach the cavern layer. A large mineshaft for that reason makes sense, but I agree that a super efficient design in the DF engine would look a lot worse in real life. I guess the golden rule for me is that "If it makes sense IRL then it should look good in game."

>>162040256
myth arc

>>162039830
>>has to walk over 1000 extra steps to get there
I don't think you understand what "everywhere" means. It means everywhere. You don't need hallways, just make available tile in your 20x20 square room into a up/down staircase. Aside from workshops and stockpiles every other tile can be a staircase. Your dwarves will interpret that design as being able to float around your fortress.

>not to mention that the extra pathing each dwarf has to do increases CPU load
Bullshit. This kind of "extra pathing" does nothing significant to fps. The only consistent way of dealing with fps death is loading smaller maps and having less dwarves.

>>162040351
>loading smaller maps and having less dwarves.
And I guess digging less and avoiding fluids flowing on the map

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>>162040351

>I don't think you understand what "everywhere" means. It means everywhere. You don't need hallways, just make available tile in your 20x20 square room into a up/down staircase. Aside from workshops and stockpiles every other tile can be a staircase. Your dwarves will interpret that design as being able to float around your fortress.

>>162040351
>Aside from workshops and stockpiles every other tile can be a staircase.
Do you really do this

>>162040351
>It means everywhere. You don't need hallways, just make available tile in your 20x20 square room into a up/down staircase. Aside from workshops and stockpiles every other tile can be a staircase. Your dwarves will interpret that design as being able to float around your fortress.

Holy fucking shit, anon. That's either amazing or really autistic

>>162040958
No sane person does this. I'm just exposing 3x3 fags for the frauds they are. Efficiency smenficiency, they're just uncreative lazy cunts

>>162041103
No you've just given me the idea for my next fort.
I'm going to make every possible tile a staircase now. I have seen the light of the Escher fort >>162040532

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>>162041186
Uh. Well, that wasn't my intention but sure, give it a try. At the very least it's actually more "efficient" and infinitely less gay looking than a fortress with a 3x3 central staircase

>>162041186
>entire fort made out of staircases
>if someone gets knocked over they fall tens of z-levels to their death because stairs don't count as solid floor and why use floor hatches.
I like it

>>162041482
That's the only "flaw" in that system. And I use the term "flaw" very loosely here, because anything that makes the game fun isn't really a flaw. Sparring in this kind of fortress scenario would be particularly more fun (lethal)

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>>162041482
Done it a few times, chunks of up/down staircase blocks are neat, it's like flying through stone.

Also wrote my first new script, since I confirmed recently that artifacts take no damage I made one to just grab your inventory or items individually and set them to artifact quality/artifact flags.

http://pastebin.com/RnTgVzdR

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just woke up from a fever dream lads, rate my idea, shit on it, or tell me that its already been done. During a gobbo siege, raise the main entrance and have military dwarves drop in like ODSTs from halo in minecarts.

>>162042150
how many z levels? This looks like it would be more dangerous to your soldiers than to the goblins

>>162042150
If you're going to do that your dwarfs will probably die on impact, but the carts themselves may hurt the gobbos.
Why not just make a cart shotgun instead?

>>162042272
>>162042395
What if I made the entire ground outside my fortress out of something really hollow like feather tress? if that doesn't work than why not make the mine cart out of feather trees as well??? Its not like the gobbos have fukken AA to shoot my mine carts out of the sky

how to make tamable spiders like dogs, latest df

>>162042150
Your fever dream has been a pasta floating around /dfg/ since like 2012.
It can work, you just have leave them as civilians until you're ready to deploy them. Operating vehicles is a civvie job, so an on duty soldier won't take it. You'll have to activate the squad once they're already in the carts. If you want them to not die either make it a short drop or build a catch track to guide them to ground level.

I'm going to try one of megaprojects, "mine everything out and cast your fortress back in obsidian " to be precise. How hard it will hit my FPS? Should I limit my population up to 20 and atomsmash everything that isn't useful for building or keeping builders alive? Should I go 2x2 or wait fir DFHack and go 1x1? Which magma raising design is more efficient - pumps or minecarts? Should I choose savage region with little or no soil for extra style points or something more peaceful? While I have some expirience with evil regions, this is going to be rather disfunctional fortress.
>>162044040
I'm pretty sure cave spiders are tamable already

>>162044934
I mean like, war spiders
capture tame use for combat?

>>162044934
Can't currently be done.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8444

>>162045110
It seems like a waste of time, desu. They are vermins. But in case you are talking about giant cave spiders - [TRAINABLE] tag before [PET_EXOTIC].

>>162045305
Shit, guess I'll have to wait till(if ever) it's fixed. But, theoretically speaking, if I accept floors not being obsidian?

>>162046024
Yeah, the walls will work, the floors will just be whatever the original layerstone was after you dig the walls out. You could theoretically get around that by using constructed retaining walls/bridges to cast the walls and and channeling an extra z down for the floors. If you fill only up to where you want the floor level to be and then cast it there you'll get obsidian floors. The challenge with that is using exactly enough water to avoid the obsidian becoming muddy. Once that happens, all it takes is moss to grow there once and it turns the obsidian beneath it to soil no matter what the layer stone is.

>>162045536
Okay, and this will allow me to capture, train, and use them in war similar to dogs?

>>162011836
does it include mouse cursor and autolabor?

>>162046686
Yes, not exactly similar as their main weapon is web and I think your dwarfs, not being [WEBIMMUNE] will stuck within it as well. And their venom is somewhat useless against giant animal, and they can't bite through helmets, so anyone in decent armor pretty much invincible against them.
>>162046352
Thanks, fampai, I'll give it a try.Could you also answer some of these questions? >>162044934

What are your search parameters for iron?

Elevation MEDIUM
Drainage LOW
Flux YES
Shallow metals MULTIPLE

>>162048470
>they can't bite through helmets, so anyone in decent armor pretty much invincible against them.
They'll take helmets off now.

>>162048470
Why not use them with crossbowdwarves

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Let's name the most useless things in the game
I'll start
Bowyer's workshop

>>162050579
Kennels

>>162050579
Elf geldables.

Do you guys have any mods for cybernetics and shit?
I remember I played years ago, and went to great pains to burn my militia a certain amount with lava to remove all fat and unnecessary organs, creating unbleeding skeleton troopers of great survivability.
I am very interested in more ways I can spend lots of resources to directly improve dwarves, before I even start putting equipment on there.

how stable is this df hack alpha?

>>162048470
A lot of your questions depend on more factors than I can answer. The size of the embark will depend on what your computer can handle. How much it will hurt your fps will depend on that and on how big you dig. The more space you dig out, the more fluid movement and temperature changes have to be calculated. That's only a temporary fps hit, though. You'll get it back when the temps stabilize and you stop moving liquids. A pump stack is the way to go for this, unless you embark on a volcano. Minecarts and pistons don't move magma in volumes large enough for what you're planning, even if you go 1x1. I suggest picking an embark with sand for ready access to magma safe material. You can use glass for your pump components. You may want to set up a magma glass furnace at your magma source, minecart sandbags down, and send the minecart back up with your glass pump pieces to a staging area somewhere near the middle of your planned pump stack. I don't think dfhack is necessary for a 1x1 embark anymore, Toady said in a FotF that he couldn't even remember why he made that restriction and that he would lift it, which I believe he did in one of the more recent updates. I may be wrong about that, but it's worth checking if you're thinking about a very small embark.

>>162050579
alcohol

>>162050579
That's unfair. The bowyer's workshop has a very important use. Namely, solving bowyer moods. A lot of my dorfs would have gone mad if it wasn't for the bowyer's workshop.

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>>162050579
Elven trade caravans? Here's a glass toy for some avocados. See you next year.

>>162052468
Elven caravans really need some better stuff.

>>162052468
they bring some pretty cool exotic animals tho.

they also used to bring booze before 0.40, I wonder what happened to that.

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>>162050916
Haven't had any problems related to it directly and I've been screwing around with shit on a 257x257 world and stupid large groups of units on screen.

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nines posted this on bay12

I think it's a night troll

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I just found this gem on Timbuk's blog.

>>162052918
It's a bug. You can fix that along with their site taverns with some raw editing but I forget the tags. Perhaps if some kind anon^TM notices he will enlighten us.

Do werebeasts respect forbidden doors? I mean your own dwarves who are infected.

>>162055272
I've had one that I kept behind a door with his own armour rack and he never left it or flipped the rack. That's the only time I've done that though.

Can embark map size be modified somewhere to be 1x1?

>>162055394
He might just have happened to face in the other direction, meaning that he wouldn't see the rack. The vision cones apply in both modes.

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>>162056239
Don't think that was the case. He would train when human and move about a bit.

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This insurrection has me almost as confused as Erib Rabathel here.

Dang it, when I signed up to be a fortress guard I thought I'd just be getting a convenient source of "go kill that" missions and companions to go with me. Instead I'm left wondering why half the people are spitting at me, where these folks who aren't attacking me but are attacking the other guards came from and why nobody seems to think there's anything odd about the halls getting painted red.

>>162055783
Didn't Toady make that possible in one of the recent releases? I haven't tried it, since that's not the way I roll.

>>162055251
Fuck, forgot what they were specifically.

I gave them [USE_MISC_PROCESSED_WOOD_PRODUCTS][OUTDOOR_FARMING]

[PERMITTED_REACTION:BREW_DRINK_FROM_PLANT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BREW_DRINK_FROM_PLANT_GROWTH]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_MEAD]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BREWER]

>>162059601
Cool, thanks.
That makes taverns work again?

>>162055783
>>162059583
It's a simple init edit.
DF>data>init>init.txt/d_init.txt

If you haven't looked at them I suggest doing so, loads of useful little features in there.

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>>162059790
Whenever I look at the d_init, I start itching for full graphic support.

Just getting the option to make all doors use a single tile of your choice would be a great first step, though.

>>162059723
Should make them show up right in forest retreats, yeah.

I haven't played in ages. Did the rate of migrant waves and size of said waves increase a ton in recent builds? I was at population cap by my third year.

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Folks, a cave collapse seems to have flung one of my wordworkers into a tree.

>>162063714
I built an above ground fishery with a roof and walls so the fisherdwarves would be safe, but somehow an oak tree grew inside it and collapsed the roof i had built, causing a cave in which knocked a dwarf into the river, where he fell unconscious and drowned.

Never seen a dwarf fall up though..

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>>162063714
That'll happen.

>>162063912
>Never seen a dwarf fall up though..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV-0PCIhaF0

>>162064219
an absolute classic

>>162050579
Fish dissectors. Why I get 30 of those and 1 fucking metalsmith in years I don't know.

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page 10 is a jerk

>>162066637
what do they even do, and how does it differ from what fishery workers do?

at least it gives you a bigger pool of unskilled labourers to use for whatever you please.

>>162066751
>what do they even do,
They dissect captured live moghoppers for mog juice. Mog hoppers are a rare spawn absent on the vast majority of maps and mog juice does nothing.

That's literally it.

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Was wondering why my militia commander was gelded yet had two kids to his name. Went into the reports and it turns out he had a recent run in with some local wildlife.

I feel for this dwarf.

>>162063714
He'll starve to death, unless you either build some scaffolding to help him down, or cut the tree.

>>162067354
That's a prizeless combat log.

The best part is that it took place under such mundane circumstances.

It'd make a great Timbukdrew drawing.

>>162025548
may I ask what did you need it to?

>>162067797
The goat kicked him in the head two more times and left. He regained consciousness and his first words after losing his plump helmets was, "Gruesome wounds! This does not scare me."

That was back in the summer of the previous year. It is now spring and he is now standing face to face with a weremoose in the fields all alone (he beat the rest of the squad there). I fear this may be his last fight.

>>162063714
What tileset is that??

>>162068596
post the weremoose combat log when it's over

also, aren't weremoose really fucking huge? if he's as poorly trained and equipped as his friends, he's probably gun die.

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>>162068776
I've got it paused at the moment, planning on doing it step by step. Yeah, this is only the second year and I haven't even begun weapons and armor production. All he has is his hunting crossbow. There are two dwarves with picks and some recruits on the way but, I don't think it'll be enough. I probably should have just told the military to station at the entrance while I corralled the population down below but, hindsight is 20/20

>inb4 weremoose strikes down Urist McNonuts then promptly changes back and runs away.

>>162069575
Also, just checked to see if he even had bolts...he does not. Now all that stands between him and were-bullwinkle is a bismuth bronze crossbow

>press f to pay respects

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>>162069575
>>162069931

>>162067004
Mog juice is edible and high value. It's a lot more work than it's worth, but it isn't useless.

>>162053717
beautiful little beast

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>>162070157
As expected he did not last long.

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>>162070634
>be dorf
>get plumps kicked into oblivion by a goat
>next year, the same thing happens again, but with a weremoose instead of the goat and your head instead of your plumps

>>162070634
The little shit killed a recruit and changed back. Luckily the rest of the squad caught up to him and beat him to a bloody pulp, his head was finally caved by a human mercenary with his copper bow.

Turns out I was wrong about Nonuts having kids, he did have a wife however, she's actually taking his death rather well. The dead recruit on the other hand has had a total 8 kids, 2 of which are residents of the fort, her husband came to her aid of the militia mid-battle only to see his wife killed; He's currently grieving. Well that's two coffins I have to queue up. The first deaths of Zulbanison.

>>162071379
to THE aid of the militia*

>>162071379
>>162071519
Now on to the wounded. There are only two. The replacement militia commander and another recruit. Upon closer inspection of the reports it looks like MC is clean with no bites reported. The recruit on the other hand has suffered a bite. I'd hate to add another body to the deathtoll but, this is like a said a very young fort with a bright future. What should I do with this liability?

>>162072073
jail him for future gladiatorial use.

>>162072073
Do you have a hospital? If you do, just treat him like usual until the next full moon comes around (you can check the specific dates for that on the wiki) and then lock the door. If he turns, you send in your militia, if he doesn't, you let him out.

If he leaves the hospital before the full moon, you lock him into his bedroom instead.

Hopefully, he managed to avoid getting infected.

>>162072292
Won't that just put my militia at further risk. I'm starting weapons and armor production now but, I have less than a month before the next full moon there is no way I can hammer out a complete squad worth of gear before then unless I switch everyones labors over and we go full on war economy mode.

>>162072219
How would I jail him without completely walling him in somewhere?

>>162072073
jail him for future gladiatorial use.

>>162072630
>How would I jail him without completely walling him in somewhere?
You could use a bridge, but why would care? Just completely wall him in somewhere.
You could exile him to a cavern and let him fight to earn his survival. That's my preferred method.

>>162074130
Didn't think about bridges. Guess I'll dig out a small room on the top level and gate it off with him inside. So should I give him furniture in his tiny prison or would it just be pointless because of [BUILDINGDESTROYER]

also would a silver maul be a good weapon for a weremoose who should only be used if the unthinkable happens.

>>162074829
fuck, scratch that. just remembered you cant build mauls, only war hammers.

How many of you are betting on the update being finished this month?

>>161993898
>What the fuck do think Dwarf Fortress IS?
A fun pass-time?

>>162074934
Wouldn't matter, mauls are really brokenly bad. I haven't tried one since the force translation update, which probably benefited mauls more than any other weapon, but in terms of primary damage they'll be outclassed by nearly every other weapon.
Give him a pick, make him a miner/mason and let him build his own shit and dig for his own materials. If you're lucky he'll just knock over his mason's shop once a month.

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>>162063714
Folks, I have an update. He fell out of the tree and mullered himself to death with some logs he was carrying.

Fittingly, he will have a wooden coffin.

>>162068709
CLA.

>be me
>have a good going 120 man fort
>just above the entrance a werebear spawns
>send in the troop
>before the soldiers find and kill it he kills one sheep and 5 dwarves hauling goods
>well that went ok
>fast forward some time later
>urist the weaver transforms in the middle of the housing area
>kills 15 dwarves before it gets killed
>again fastforward
>2 dwarves transform and kill another 15
>from 20 farmers only 10 are left
>the workload for my 6 10x10 farmplots and 8 still becomes too much
>can't replenish booze fast enough
>dwarves go thirsty before booze starts to stack again

Reeeeeeeeee from 4 doctors I went to 1 and my broker which was the only one with the appraiser skill transformed and got killed.

>>162075567
>6 10x10 farms and 8 stills
>can't replenish booze fast enough for 85 dwarves

What the hell anon. That could supply thousands of dwarves with a surplus.
I've been supplying my 125 dwarf fort on 3 1x7 plots and one still for over a decade, and still running enough of a plant surplus for cloth, paper, dye, flour and sugar. I just added a second still and a 4th 1x7 to expand my dye industry and set booze stocks in farflung corners of the fort.
I can't imagine how you could fuck up so badly that your setup is insufficient.

>>162075567
Also, just going to the depot to trade gives the first dwarf to do so for each caravan appraisal skill. So losing your only appraiser makes no difference.

>>162074829
He'll knock down all the furniture, yeah. I'd suggest designating him a temple so he can meditate on his curse.

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So this is how it all ends.

Turns out militia commander got infected anyway and the recruit was also infected as feared. Now the former recruit who was in the hospital/barracks is loose because a stone is blocking one of the doors open and the former militia commander is loose dangerously close to the tavern down the hall. Can't wait to see how this plays out. I have a civilian alert for the fortress entrance hopefully this should bait the two into coming up and fighting the human caravan that happens to be stopping by.

>>162076601
Its not only for the use of my dwarves I also sell the booze occasionally.
I used to have 700 dwarven wine which I sold to a caravan for a dozen or so picks and weapons.

>>162076743
Ok that's good to know thanks.

>>162078519
you deserve it for those shitty fort aesthetics desu

>>162078707
>shitty fort aesthetics
I'll bet that would've looked okay after he smoothed it. We see a lot worse here, and he at least has the good sense not to use phoebus or something.

>>162078707
It's better than the straight up and down communist ant hills I used to make.

>can't break the commie room habit though

I tried to limit those rooms to petitioners.

I kind of want to clear a big ol square, like a huuuge open room, and then build a stone city out of it. Like a human city, but underground. Might be good for a human mode playthrough.

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So my evacuation plan went better than expected and the fort didn't drop from 45 to 10. However upon closer inspection of the aftermath I have found out a couple of disturbing things. Among those lost were the militia commander's own wife and newborn girl. The kicker is he's the one who did it. I went into his profile expecting it to be filled with horror, nope. He didn't feel anything apparently at the slaughter of everyone including his own blood. Other than that, really didn't lose much except for my only master metalsmith, glad I was able to get some good pieces out of him before he bit it. I now know who the werecreatures are for sure and they can now be locked in their permanent side fort.

>>162079360
Comfyanon did that recently, posted a complete armok vision tour as well. It was pretty good. I believe he dug out something to the tune of 30k boulders to do it, too.

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>>162081639
I added it on the map archive, too:
>http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-12725-churchguilds

There are plenty of other ways of doing it, though.

I kinda want to try again on a smaller embark, and put more work into the vertical aspect, and less into the horisontal.

So, say two weremoose were to escape from their prison (the gate wasnt finished and I forgot to build a wall) and they went and slaughtered the entire human caravan in the depot, how pissed is the human civilization going to be.

On a side note I now have a metric shit ton of clothing, food, and enough weapons to really kick-start the militia.

>>162082035
Do it man. The more megaforts the merrier.

>>162085064
>how pissed is the human civilization going to be
not very pissed lol

>>162085064
Humans are a lot more sensitive to losses than elves are in my experience. There's a good chance they'll attack. Their clothes and armor will all be too big for dwarves unless you modded their size, but the weapons will be fine.

>>162085334
Really, I thought if they died in your fort or on fort land for any reason they blamed it all on you.

>>162085502
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Their personal clothes are too large but they brought a good bit of clothing for trade.

>>162082035
>I kinda want to try again on a smaller embark, and put more work into the vertical aspect, and less into the horisontal.

Yeah this was more what I had in mind for my own city.

>>162085689
>they brought a good bit of clothing for trade
Unless something has changed lately the clothes they bring for trade should be their size as well. I haven't embarked near humans in a long time, and I mod my dwarves to be size 62.5 so I wouldn't notice.

Now that 64 bit is out, can we get up to 600 dwarves?

Or is fps death still a thing?

>>162087229
Of course you can't.

>>162087229
64-bit was just a meme.

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>desert
>elves come to tell me to stop underground trees

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>>162087229
>Or is fps death still a thing?
it was never a thing for people with decent computers.

>>162087567
This is true, I run a 16x16 embark with 2200 dwarves and get a constant 100 fps.

>>162087560
They feel disturbances in the force.

>>162053717
>1 Gillat
dead game

>>162087229
it's just to allow the new spaghetti programming to go over 4gb RAM for world gen
everything else is the same

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>>162087560
Wait, do they fuck around with underground trees? I remember wondering that a long time ago but haven't had a fort where I did anything but laughed as the zombies ate the elves or was flat out at war with them already, so I can't recall checking.

What new stuff are you gonna do in adventure or fort mode after the new update?

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>>162089689

>>162089689
Gather as many artifacts as I can and then deposit them next to the slab inside a vault.

>>162089451
Yeah, they count underground trees toward quotas. Or at least they would if their diplomats ever lived long enough to tell you what the quota is.

>>162089689
Continue being town guard and do my best to prevent all these adventurer fuckos from nicking my lord's shit.

>>162089689
Gather artifacts

And the kill everybody, as always

>>162089689
I'm going to dig out a series of rows of squares and rectangles over 3-5 z-levels around a 3x3 staircase. I can't wait.

>>162090769
>over 3-5 z-levels around a 3x3 staircase
but that would be z-level abuse

>>162090385
Speaking of vaults, do creatures beside the player interact with vaults or its that an entirely player thing, and has the Toadster expressed any interest in doing more with Vaults, especially with the myth and magic update in the future? I would like it if I raided a vault that wrote a book on it, causing the readers to become interested and try and raid the vault themselves as well

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>>162089689
I'm going to walk into my first town after the update and laugh until I cry at a yakety sax procession of an npcventurer with an artifact, two thieves slinking along behind them, and a horde of people who got it in their head that "artifacts are things to pick up" except the whole chase will probably take place at a normal strolling speed since they won't be in combat, yet actively fleeing/pursuing.

>>162091234
Kobolds steal from them.

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>>162092862
Trufax.

>>162093337
Those angels sure like to dispute

buma

>>162093337
>the black fiend
DON'T RELAX

>>162054062
That is pretty abstract.

What's this update you guys were talking about.

So now an elf diplomat told me to stop cutting down trees, I told him no, seized the goods of their traders and killed everyone but the diplomat.

How long until war?

>>162098618
just go to the dev log and read like the last two months worth of entries (it's not that much to read)