/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dead General

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What's your dev music anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyfKdI6zi9M

Can't sleep.
want to learn more

>>161965130
shin-takarajima. serious weeb shit.
http://en.musicplayon.com/Sakanaction-Shin-Takarajima-Music-Video-662600.html

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Asking again.
I'm making what will eventually be a magica girl RPG. My problem is, I have no idea what the gameplay should be in the parts where you're not transformed and you're a normal little girl.

>>161965427
stealth gameplay for that?

>>161965427
Telling us what the magical girl part entails would help.

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>>161965619
Right, sorry. It would be a traditional action RPG, fight monsters, explore dungeons, etc.
My idea was that portals appear in the real world and when you enter them you get transported to an alternate dimension where you fight as a magical girl. But then there should be parts where you're a normal little girl living her daily life between an enemy attack and the other.

>>161965749
maybe make it like animal's forest?

>>161965427
>>161965749
make it into a walking simulator where the girl has to investigate who is helping to open the portals from the real world

>>161965749
Could have "battles" that are actually conversations
Daily tasks like going shopping or school could be "dungeons"
I haven't played SMT but it seems to do something right when it mixes magic and school, so that would be worth checking out

how do you handle your game flow?

game states (comparing bools, enums)?
>simple, easy, but very messy and lots of if statements

seperate methods/functions like updatePlay() and updateMenu()?
>less messy but requires writing more code that is possibly redundant

separate programs, objects, classes, renderers for "menu", "play", etc.?
>clean, modular, but possibly high overhead and complex

some other way?

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>>161965845
>>161965868
Yeah I guess something like this could work. Thanks.

>>161964984
>> Engines
>Unity: unity3d.com
>UE4: unrealengine.com
>Godot: godotengine.org
>Haxe: haxeflixel.com
>LÖVE: love2d.org
>GameMaker: yoyogames.com/gamemaker
>GameGuru: game-guru.com
>Xenko: xenko.com
This seems like something we could get rid of

>>161965749
how about minigames?
You could have a runner styled level with the girl trying to get to school in time, puzzles and sport-like games for school stuff itself. Maybe a game inside a game, like Baka Fighters or something like that.

>>161965948
>>>161964984(OP)
>>> Engines
>>Unity: unity3d.com
>>UE4: unrealengine.com
>>Godot: godotengine.org
>>Haxe: haxeflixel.com
>>LÖVE: love2d.org
>>GameMaker: yoyogames.com/gamemaker
>>GameGuru: game-guru.com
>>Xenko: xenko.com
>This seems like something we could get rid of
This seems like something we could get rid of

>>161965990
Also a good idea.

I'm still at the initial stages, but I will keep these ideas in mind for when I get to that part.

what the fuck is xenko

>>161966161
a SDK that wants to be be a UE4 competitor

>>161966245
>yet another game engine released in the wake of Unity and UE
The only reasons I can imagine for this are someone's made this engine for a portfolio piece, or this is a company's proprietary toolset
Either way if they think people will give a shit they're mistaken

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>>161966161
>C#

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>>161966010
ebic, simply ebic

>>161964984
>Xenko: xenko.com
>Xenko is an open-source C# game engine designed for the future of gaming. It comes with a full toolchain and is especially well suited to create realistic games but allows you much more!
who was the fucking genious who thought 'hey! we need another C# engine like all the others!'

>>161967056
I don't know, it looks pretty good to me.
But I'm too used to Unity and my PC is too shit to handle UE4 well so this wouldn't run anyway. Might give it a try in a year or two when I upgrade my rig.
I also need to know how the scripting language is. Yeah it's C# but Unity C# is not the same as standalone C#.

>>161967586
I heard they are going to finally upgrade it from the decades old version they are using but they also say a lot of shit that never happens.

>>161965920
http://boreal.aggydaggy.com/programming/2016/05/25/mean-clean-state-machine.html

>>161967940
>java

>>161968027
I don't use Java myself, it's so that more people can understand it. Because Java is piss easy and a standard.

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>>161965210
I present, "trying"

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new enemies that attack you and your boys

How do you animate attack animations when you can equip multiple weapons with different 3d models.

>>161968335
Different animations per class of weapon.

How do you handle "pressed" checks for controllers in GM:S?

As in I want to check get same results as
>keyboard_check()
>keyboard_check_pressed()

but with analogue sticks.

>>161968574
Use gamepad_axis_value then check if it's not 0 for a "keyboard_check" equivalent.
You'll probably have to store the value yourself then check if it's changed if you want a "_pressed" equivalent

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>>161968184

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For a top-down game. How should the WASD buttons behave?

I sort of like the first option, but the first one seems to me like it's the most common.

what's up with the gamedev thread in /v/?

it's basically a general, why the hell they keep making it instead of coming here?

>>161969427
Have you seen this thread?

>>161969286
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Did graphics for the dash card - it creates a little puff of smoke, character fades in/out black and crows form at the new position. Oh and animations too.

Also you can't hear it in the webm but I got a crow sample and created the sound of lots of crows from it, and also a badly sampled midi version of a linken park song plays every time you cast it.

For my graphics class, we made our own graphics libraries. The final is do use it to make something. What's a game I could make by Thursday? I've done a bunch of 2D games but this is a class on 3D. I don't really want to do anything with physics or complex animation... my friend is doing a shmup.

>>161969286
Those pictures are very brief, but I prefer top down games where W is always up, no matter where the mouse is, and the same goes for every key. So I can move to one direction and shoot to another.

>>161969957
what does that even mean

>>161970938
yeah, that's how I will end up doing it most likely.

In the future maybe add an option for the other system. But that's in the backlog

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>>161966368
I took the bait
Fuck off

I'm making a procedurally generated map in unity, then I copy all those gameobjects, while the game is running.
Stop the game, then paste those gameobjects again into the scene. Then I want to remove the map generation script and use that.

I guess I can't, cause unity freezes. Too many GOs to copy and paste I guess.

So I will have to make it with an editor function, I hate that.

How is jam

>>161970734
meow
I could do something like Bloxorz? Or a Sokoban game?

>>161972885
quill18creates has videos on making randomly generated maps like in dwarf fortress or civilization as well as procedurally generated roguelike maps. I believe he displays the map on a mesh instead of making a bunch of tile objects. You'd have to watch the videos.

>>161970734
Clone inteligent qube its the best game ever

>>161973353
Ok I will do it

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C++ anons, how can I make it so that command promt doesn't write my outputted doubles with exponents and instead writes out all digits.

>>161976483
You can set the precision of the cout stream object.
cout.precision(69)

>>161973205
He's a bit naive but I like his enthusiasm. Reminds me of the some of my peers back in college -- excited about CS but not incredibly knowledgable. Still would give the videos a positive rating.

>>161976569
thanks

>>161965595
Pretty good. Remembers me even more of Cave Story, if it were a 3D game.

I have zero experience and wanna make a mech game with Dark Souls/Zelda combat. How fucked am I?

>>161968964
I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread since nobody is there anymore.

The game has a comfy darkcave/undergrounddugeon feeling with the blue and dark colors. I think it would be better if you keeped it monochromatic (maybe also add cave things like crystals and blue-flamed torches).

Also, nice progress.

>>161978394
Yeah agreed on the color theme. I was thinking something like Downwell but with more dimension in the color (other than hue).

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NEW GAME

Took all day to do what would no doubt be a 3 second project in Unity! Nice!

>>161978660
your 新 is upside down mate

>>161978660
:D
What did you do it in?

>>161978804
LibGDX

Also those are models rather than just quads, so I can have more interesting walls up in a jiffy... once I figure out modeling.

>>161978858
That wraps OpenGL right? What are the benefits over just using OpenGL?

>>161978915
LibGDX can load/render models, has input/sound/music/2d/etc support as well.

>>161978362
It will take a year or more to get good at programming in your engine of choice, if you're dedicated. But it's not too hard once you know what you're doing, it will still take a while to create the whole game though.

The most important thing is to not give up. You will only be fucked if you give up.

which agdg games are you waiting for, other than yours and mine?

>>161979413
Stop shitposting.

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>>161965427
The nippo(n) standard: fight mutated giants transformed, play dress up and building relationships when not.

>>161965427
Mindless Persona 4 style?

>>161979789
Never played any Persona because I don't have any Sony console, I know about the social links but how do they work gameplay-wise?

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>>161965427
Walking around, talking to people and minigames.

This kind of shit can be surprisingly engaging if you're able to make interesting characters.

>>161979953
Different patterns dictate who you can talk to for building social links.
"Oh she's available whenever it's raining."
"Oh he always wants to hang out on Tuesday."
And then you find yourself planning ahead. Not really much of a game and many players just check a guide. You could generate it, but I'd recommend going for a better design.
If the magical girl portion is centered around combat, the normal girl segment could be stealth? Or gambling? Resource management?

>>161979712
>>161979994
This. Focus everything in the art, nobody is going to care about the gameplay if the girls are cute.

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Composerfag here, I've been looking to make some music for a game of some kind just so I can get the experience of it, how do I go about finding projects that need music done for them?

>>161980893
Post soundcloud

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>>161980974
don't have one, is it normal for people who are looking for musicians to want them to have a soundcloud?

>>161980893
Its pretty easy.
Post what you just posted and keep this thread open and check for replies and then respond to them. Currently its a low hour in this thread. It should start picking up in 2-3 hours. Eventually interested parties will respond to you.

>>161981064
Yeah

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How do I into better in this??

>>161981064
>is it normal for artists to have a portfolio

>>161981064
you must have something to show off
if you don't have a soundcloud - offer other alternatives where people can see your works

>>161981082
>>161981092
>>161981125
Okay, thanks guys. I'm probably gonna post in here some other time after I start uploading a bunch of shit I've made to a soundcloud.

>>161979953
>I know about the social links but how do they work gameplay-wise?

Well once you max a social link and become best friends with someone you unlock Satan or Beelzebub and can summon him in combat by shooting yourself in the head.

There's really not much "gameplay" for the social link part. You hang with someone, a story event occurs (generally showing some problem that person is facing, like love trouble or insecurities showing up) , as you keep doing those events you get closer to the crux of the problem and maybe solving it. (Some don't really have solution, like some kid with an incurable disease who dies immediately after you finish his social link, you basically just hang with him for his last moments listening to his gay poems)

And I guess at some points you get no brainer options like saying
>"It's gonna be alright"
>"Your parents divorced because of you".

Still, don't underestimate people's loneliness and thirst for Slice of Life content. Those social aspects were enough to shoot the later Persona series into a popularity that the rest of the SMT saga only dreams of. Also add lots of different clothing options. Humans fucking love dressing up their avatars even in games not dedicated to that(or maybe exactly because of that), just look at Fashion Souls or Fashion Dogma threads.

>>161981105
timing is good, it probably just needs more frames in the run and better contrast on the guy

>>161981064
>>161980893
If they like your stuff they'll contact you.

I keep a list of potential composers who have posted here over they ears.

>>161981208
>Still, don't underestimate people's loneliness and thirst for Slice of Life content.
I have no social life so I'm thankful for slice of life games to exist. Doesn't care if they are virtual I still get to experience all kind of emotions.

>>161981205
Try to have a little bit of every theme that you're up for making.

You get people who's soundcloud is full of chiptune but offer to make orchestral music with no examples even remotely similar.

Anyone looking for an artist?

>>161981465
Art is a broad subject

>>161981465
Stop giving people false hope.

Anyone looking for an autist?

>>161981465
>Anyone looking for an artist?
Everyone at all the time is looking for artist to make their jam game art for free.

>>161981560
My house has several mirrors, thanks

>>161981545
?

>>161981587
I am fine working for free, depending on the project

>>161981626
hee hee

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>someone posts progress in the discord
>"lmao"
>"should have used gamemaker"
>"should have used godot"
>"is it early access?"
This place is supposed to be ""better"" than agdg?
And this square enyx guy looks like an absolute asshole.

>>161981774
>crossing the anonymous-named line
This is always a mistake

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>>161981646
>he does it for free

>tfw someone that's shit at video games makes a youtube video about your game
>tfw they complain about stuff that's explained in the first few seconds of your game

>>161981968
Sounds like someone didn't pay their monthly LP League dues

>>161981646
>?
I don't trust you and I think that you're just a shitposter looking for (You) but I'll humor you.
What kind of art are we talking about and what are you willing to do exactly?

>>161981646
>?
Artists are usually the last people to offer their work for free. When a naive inexperienced jam dev goes to artist gatherings to find someone to join his project, he will get immediately get lynched by the artist mob for being a witch and daring to mention the forbidden word "for free".

>I am fine working for free, depending on the project
Just stay around and see what progress posts are being made. Ask those people if they want an artist or not. You can spot a game which needs an artist by looking at their art quality. If its shit, it definately needs an artist.

Btw, where were you two weeks ago. I would have taken you up on your offer then, since we had a jam back then.

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>stream my devving
>don't start devving until I have 1 viewer
>one comes by
>start devving, explaining my goals and the process
>viewer leaves
I-I just want someone to talk to whilst I dev

>>161981646
I'm just about done making my engine and need an artist. Post some of your work and I'll contact you.

>>161982065
Went to school for traditional, didn't work out, been trying my hand at digital for some time, most recently pixel art. Interested in backgrounds, character design, not sure exactly.

What sort of game and what are you making it in?

>>161982095
Yeah I haven't done much work in games so the experience is good. Also just bored.

>>161981646
Draw me a mech

>>161982171
Making your own engine? So like how far along is your game...?

>>161982201
Wow just because you rudely told me to, sure let me get on that, brb

Goddamn I take a 2 weeks break and I feel like I forgot 2 years worth of programming.

Does it make a difference if I upload an mp4 or webm to tumblr?

I remember having trouble viewing webms on my old apple device

>>161981774
It's funny, they shit up /agdg/ and advertise discord here to try to get more people to join their chat. But then they just shit up their own chat anyways.
Not everyone there is bad, of course. But it's still no good there. I'd rather post progress here, to at least have a chance of honest feedback.

>>161982262
I don't have a game.

>>161982095
(cont.)

>>161981465
>>161981646
>>161982187
Thinking about it - I think I could use an artist after all. My game could use some low res ASCII art.

Yay or nay?

>>161981646
Can you draw anime girls?

>>161982643
Hmm, possibly. What engine?

>>161982659
Have never tried but probably.

>>161982701
>What engine?
fox

>>161982701
>Hmm, possibly. What engine?
Command Promt, hence the need for ASCII art.

>want to write in code that parentable object would delete the attack object if collided with it
>deletes all instances of itself and it's children instead
>have to use drag-and-drop thingy
>it works
Game Maker, what te fuck?

>>161982748
>>161982765
Haven't heard of either of these, maybe you should team up with >>161982171 lol

>>161982701
The reason I ask is I'm working on a small project, a type of game/application but very small. I only need one character but with quite a few animations.
I tried doing it myself it takes me forever to create decent art, so I'd be interested if you want something small to work on.

>>161982862
Sounds intriguing, but what engine

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>>161982887
>he's still here
>after all these months

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>artist looking for ___ for free
Why don't agdg artists just make something and post it in the thread instead?
I mean, if you're going to make something for free you might as well post it for everyone so that it increases your chances to get in contact with someone that likes what you did.

It would also make more agdg resources available and give less excuses to "tfw no art and free released cute girl" posters to shitpost.

>b-but everyone is going to use my art to make shit games!
Doubt so :
- CGG dev once gave for free his angel grill assets, nobody made anything with it (rip, I missed those assets and was too inexperienced back then, fuck)
- Catmouth dev released his main mc at some point, nobody did anything with her
- Theonian did it for some tiles? I'm not sure about this one though
- Agdg-tan and Majo-chan released for free in this thread, nobody did anything again (mb too here, but can't figure out what kind of game to make with them)

** On a side note, it'd be nice to have some directions with free arts too. Rather than a "have a cute girl", more like "have a cute girl and she should be doing __ and ___". Makes it easier to make something.

>>161983008
That model is fugly and I wouldn't use it in my game if you paid me.

>>161981774
square eynx is a salty enginedev and 50% of people have him blocked

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>>161982887
Gamemaker. It's about an artist who takes revenge on those who wronged him.

>Wrath of C'anus

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>>161982765
(cont.)

>>161982701
>>161982701
>>161982187
Lack of art is not really a big grievance for my game. See the picture.
You could help me spice it up with some ASCII art. I suspect that you might be worried to stay tied to such a shit looking thing. No need to fret about that - I have planned this project to last until the end of this week so you are not making a huge commitment here.

>>161983412
>Command Prompt
Sorry I'm just not interested, looks cool though, good luck

>>161983412
Not that guy, but I like doing ASCII art. Can you give an specific example of what you want?

>>161983051
same, it's the design honestly

>>161982419
Not as far as I've noticed. It gets converted to mp4 for Tumblr's video player either way.

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>161983737
Now you can join the other 4000 games that were released this year!

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>>161983737
Congrats

>>161983737
Hope you set aside some budget for the LP League because you're probably on their radar now

>>161967056
OK, I looked into it.
Xenko looks promising.
Source code for engine is already on Github.
However the editor (Game Studio) currently runs only on Windows and has no source code avaliable.
If they don't get Microsoft too deep into their ass and actually release the source under GPLv3 / MIT when they come out of Beta, this ting becomes best FOSS game engine out there.

Why did I start learning Godot when this thing is coming?

>>161983737
Congratulations, I hope to be there one day too
Keep us up to date on how it goes

>>161983538
>Sorry I'm just not interested, looks cool though, good luck
Okey-dokey

>>161983585
>Not that guy, but I like doing ASCII art. Can you give an specific example of what you want?
I want to spice the screens up. In my current vision I am thinking about some sort of nice looking ASCII patterns in the top of the page headers. Possibly a handful of stylized buttons (which would be word(s) surrounded by nice looking ASCII patterns).

Possibly a larger image for the start screen if you are up for it.

>>161982101
>Make porn tumblr for literally any conceivable subject
>Instantly get 300 followers
>Always have a ready supply of people who'd watch a stream of yours

I'm fairly certain if you drew porn, then announced you were making a game, that'd be a decent "marketing" campaign.

As long as you weren't charging 10$ for yet another platformer.

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>>161984241
alright.

>>161965130
Usually relaxing background music like Pink Floyd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzeNFjsrb1Q

>>161983737
Well played anon

Does GM have decent networking support? I've been thinking about making a 2D co-op puzzle platformer game, since it's not competitive I don't have to worry about cheaters but I got no experience with networking outside of basic school level sending and receiving packages shit.

>>161983856
>LP League
not him but who?

>>161983737
Congratz, what's the price?

>>161983008
there isn't much you can do with a character without a shitton of animation

installing some new instrument samples. if i like them i may end up making some neat fan music.

>>161970170
this is really fucking neat.

>>161984951
>LP League
Some LP'ers who for some reason or other shitlisted AGDG, so any games associated here have to "pay dues" or be ignored/trashed

>>161985149
a lot of LPers get paid for doing LPs.
Specially most of the high profile ones.
it ranges from 20k to 80k per video

>>161985043
Not a problem with 3D, you can make your own animations.
Might be a problem for 2D characters though.

>>161985285
>Not a problem with 3D, you can make your own animations.

Which takes a shitton of time to get a decent amount with decent quality.

I really feel like people are undermining just how much time goes into a good animation, it's an entire craft of its own that takes nearly as much time to master as programming or art. Just go on CGPeers and count how many GBs of animation tutorials there are just for blender alone.

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i am both flattered and a little worried

>>161985264
I think these are not LPers who get 20-80k per video.

>>161985264
Those fuckers.
Valve gives no shit, I'm right?

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Replacing all my placeholder particles. Old one is on the bottom, was a bit too magical.

What games have good fire effects?

>>161985518
They've been going through everything I have ever posted, liking 1 per day.

I think it's just what they do.

>>161985518
Call me cynical, but I would be worried, they're in this for money.

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Testing new cannon mechanic. It will help you reach far areas. It moves back and forth automatically and the player controls when it shoots


also the reflections/lighting, etc is still a little weird in this level

>>161985869
Since when did valve become the video games police? What people put on their youtube videos is of no concern to them. They've already made a system where they point out which reviews on steam came from bought games and which came from gifted keys.

>>161985149
i know you're shitposting but would like a list of the people who you think do this

>>161986067
i really want to play this

In blender if i have 3 vertices which form a triangle on a flat plane and then i add a 4th vert, is there some way to align this vert to be on the same flap plane as the triangle? as in for the vert to etner the same "2D space"

>>161986070
Well, didn't know about the system, but it sounds it can be avoided: "gimmie me the money, so I can buy the game and review it"
Well, that's how capitalism works, isn't it?

>>161986073
Not him but it really does happen. And for the small indie dev, sometimes it is the better option to just swallow your pride and do whatever it takes to get ahead

>>161986279
steam has press access
any relevant youtuber can already get games for free

>>161986073
Arumba basically forced Tender Arms to give up on his game and go into hiding

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Just sort of finished but not really yet my Diablo2-like item system and added hover tooltips, I'll have to refine the numbers at some point and fix one issue but it's a nice base.

>>161986383
That's nice, but it won't prevent paid reviews.
Well, nothing will, we gotta live with it.

>>161986279
Lies can only take you so far. If the game looks like shit and plays like shit, people aren't going to buy it regardless of what some obscure youtuber says. And popular youtubers don't have to resort to that for pennies.

>>161983008
>Why don't agdg artists just make something and post it in the thread instead?
Because that results in working on something that no one will use.

I never realized the world of amateur gamedev is so cut-throat

>>161986063
+ none of games advertised by them became overly popular, including Vampire Of The Sands.
Buying an ad on /v/ would bring more sales.

>>161986819
did you not see how many games released this year? of course it is

>>161986819
You've only just stepped foot in the Dark Canal young one. You still have much to go before you see what lies in its depths.

I wish I could draw cute 2D girls

How do I make diagonal movement the same speed as vertical and horizontal one?

>>161987102
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chebyshev_distance

>>161983094
this

>>161987242
Is there an idiot-proof version? And I mean in a top-down real time game.

>>161987102
sin and cos of an angle

pretty basic trig that you'll use 10 million times in your dev career

or do the half assed method and just divided your x and y by 1.4 when moving on an angle

>>161987102
sqrt(2)

>>161986506
how
explain

>>161983737
>40% of all games on steam were released this year
>but maybe mine will make money
kek

>>161987954
>muh shekels are literally the only reason someone would want to make a game

>>161987954
>can't win
>don't try
kek kys nodev

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So, the only way to make your game popular nowadays is to make it free for download, like CaveStory did back in the day?

I don't know if Undertale did this as well, but I've heard that games being online and free was a easy way to make them more well known.

I heard Persona 4 (and the series in general) only started to become popular since it became downloadable somewhere in the internet.

Hey guys, wassup? My company is scouting out some top notch talent for our brainstorming/design/experimenting/ideas department so I thought I would spread the word here before we hit Indeed and HN.

So you want to be an Idea Guy? Hit me with your best idea

>>161985986
>ball with no trail is the new one
You're fucking up, anon.

>>161988412
A game where you ask people for ideas.

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Today I put in ladders, a system whereby a generator can provide power to a doors, elevators and other objects and a trigger system for scripted camera movement.

It's been a good day.

>>161987954
I will make a game and it will have nice pixels. You will see.

>>161985986
You should at least reuse magicball somewhere though. It looks too pretty.

>>161988409
You gotta hype it a bit.
Most indies don't advertise their games anywhere, so their games flop.

>>161988412
Have this one for free.
Medieval-like Paladin/crusader in mecha suit fights demons.

>>161988574
How did Stardew Valley achieve a runaway success when it was done by one guy? Was he good at social media-fu?

>>161988658
Not too shabby but we're going to keep looking, best of luck to you out there though

>>161984951
it's a meme
>>161983737
day 1 purchase to be honest, don't fuck this up

>>161987102
Use a vector. Moving right or left sets the X component of the vector to 1 or -1, same with down and up for the Y component.

Then you just normalize the vector, multiply the speed and delta time, and you've got the movement.

>>161988707
I don't know, maybe he shitposted on /v//reddit, bought an ad here and there.
You have to let people know that such game exists in first place.

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>>161988412
Super Paper Mario, but instead of becoming 3d, you can change the things in the stage with scissors, pencils, glue and other paper-related objects with unique effects, which you collect over time.

This anon's ideia is pretty good too
>>161988449.

>>161987954
>create yet another indie platformer
>wonder why you don't get sales
>create a super niche genre game
>people are literally starved and have to buy your game

doing it wrong anon

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>>161989037
But MY indie platformer has gravity and time mechanics!

>>161988409
You heard wrong
A lot of people don't give it the time of day because they assume price tag = quality
Things work differently for indies than AAA titles. AAA titles have quality no matter if you can get them for free, and they usually have a lot of advertising or people talking about them already.

>>161987242
Change my notion of speed so that I don't have to do anything special for diagonal input?

your game
but with survival and crafting

>>161989287
Would probably be annoying since it's a puzzle/adventure game.

>>161989287
Already doing that.

>>161989278
yes that was my thought but I'm not sure if/how it would work

>>161988409
no
many people seem to believe games that don't normally cost 10 dollars or more aren't worth their time
if you need evidence, go to /v/ and look for cumguzzlers who defend corporations in shitposting threads that appear after these companies do something dumb, half of these posts will be genuine

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>>161988438
>>161988565
Trouble is the old trail was a sprite animation so it looked really bad when the game pauses/goes slow-motion (as it does on death)

Made the new trail more pronounced, better?

>>161989125
Maybe it depends on what's the target audience then? Because if the game looks good enough and it is free, I'd play it.

I actually really doubt people assume price == quality on indie games. This is more likely to happen with normie AAA titles, since normies think price logic applies to videogames like normal products do.

I assume art/prettiness == quality most of the time. It's what made me play Tess, for example.

>>161989625
It's ignoring the problem, since the original poster probably wanted the speed to be constant in the ordinary euclidean metric

>>161987954
>i dont have a game but fuck this guy for trying to

>>161988707
Niche market. Not many harvest moon type games on PC so it's no wonder he was so successful.

>>161989702
it's a metric over a vector space and speed (well velocity) is a vector, but I don't know how it would translate. I don't have a game prototype to try that distance formula on but speed/position are so closely related that there must be some way to relate it

>>161989653
>many people seem to believe games that don't normally cost 10 dollars or more aren't worth their time
Not him but point noted.

>>161989815
I wonder how many Harvest Valley clones are in production right now

>>161990113
I was making one before Stardew Valley came out but when I saw the kind of success he would be getting, I dropped it. Just can't compete with that.

>>161989815
>>161990113
Probably not a whole lot honestly. A Harvest Moon clone is a huge undertaking despite looking pretty basic on the surface.

But I have the sudden urge to attempt one anyway

>>161964984
Friendly reminder previous thread lasted 7 hours between post 720 and 750 because OP just had to make an early new thread.

.

>>161989653
>>161989125
This looks really dumb, but if that's how it works, I'm cool since I can up my prices and make my game more well-known at the same time.

>>161990254
How's that?

A Harvest Moon-like is easy on the animation work. The only real issue is generating all the characters which can be really daunting if you're not an artist and the events you have to create

>>161989037
more like
>create game
>it gets 0 notice due to sheer oversaturation

>>161990864
>oversaturation
>in a genre that releases 2-4 games a year

I think I'm good senpai, do a little market research before you jump into a business venture

>>161990823
Huge amount of content. You'll be working on events and art for years.

I dare you to post progress

Will you take up this challenge? Will you rise to the occasion or cower like a little mouse?

>>161989037
>>161991041
I think you're missing the point. It doesn't matter what genre your game is or how unique it is, the moment it's on steam it's going to be buried.

The only thing saving decent games from being totally unnoticed is let's players and/or the developer running ad campaigns. 1-2 days on the storefront alongside a dozen other titles before getting pushed into the backpages won't cut it.

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>>161991213
Cleaned the event cards a bit and included more info (currently day/night cycle) I will use in some of the cards

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>>161991213

>>161991213
i already posted yesterday and didn't harvest too many (you)s
i'll get back to you later when i have new stuff

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>>161991213
k

>>161991317
this post reeks of platformer maker

>>161991317
>missing the point
>completely ignores entire sub-industry of websites dedicated to specific game genres that will drive traffic for you

you're the one missing the point anon

rock paper shotgun doesn't give a fuck about your indie platformer. super niche genre website does.

>>161991210
Not him but I can't imagine it being that daunting. You have four seasons that last a month, and most events repeat yearly. Plan out some events on a calendar, have some differences over the couple of years. Then plan about four or five events per bachelor/bachelorette and boom your events are set.
Harvest Moon and thus Stardew Valley don't really have the most complex events.

>>161991210
Well I'd already figured on that. Just basic math when you consider what it takes to make a town feel populated.

But I've always needed a constructive hobby.

>>161991210
This. They are mechanically fairly simple, but there's so much content and writing to make a good one.

>>161985483
Of course the more polished you want your animations to be the more time you're likely going to spend on them.

But as a non-artist I'd rather spend lots of time on animations than trying to do art since it's something that I can do at least.

>>161991658
It's really a lot more than you think it is. Especially for one person to do everything

>>161991871
Oh, I imagine it's a lot of work, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that events themselves are that big of an issue since they're simple to plan and simple to execute. Art and writing I think are the main things that make this difficult. Coding will probably be simple and planning simple as well.

I understand it's not easy though. Development is never easy.

>>161991574
>entire sub-industry of websites dedicated to specific game genres that will drive traffic for you
You're delusional as fuck.

>>161991658
>>161991871
The charm of the Harvest Moon games resides in both its art and characters.
I'm not going to speak of Stardew Valley because it's a insult to the series in my opinion but you can probably make a good one if you're a good artist and a good writer. It's not like the game mechanics are hard, even the default rpgmaker system would be able to handle them.

But yes this is definitely going to take a good amount of time.

>>161992009
Not the anon you're responding to, but I don't see why there wouldn't be a sub-industry of webs dedicated to specific game genres that'll drive traffic for you because they're interested in that genre and therefore are likely to cover your game?

>>161992009
as someone who has been featured on both indiegames.com and the biggest nichegenre.com, I doubt it

the directed focus from the niche genre website generated way more backers to my kickstarter than 100x the views from indiegames.com, so I'm making the assumption it will play mostly the same with my actual release but I could be wrong

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Added a bullet trail particle and a bunch of new guns. Hopefully it will look better when I am able to add variations to particles on lua side.

>>161992235
Can confirm this is a thing that exists, niche markets driving more traffic than general ones. If you can get really really big sites interested in you, sure, they'll drown out the niche traffic -- but they're also that much harder to get to cover you.

Some of them won't care unless you're an indie darling (cough polygon, rps, etc). I say this as a dev who has launched two games on steam over the past eight years and has gone through the whole marketing song and dance throughout.

>>161992126
Stardew Valley is why I started this. I finally booted it up mid-October after ignoring it for so long

I was so incensed by what I saw and once I realized one guy did this I figured if he could do it so could I. I'm using Unreal 4 though so it's going to be in THREEE DEEEEEEE. Good news is I'm a trained 3D artist. Bad news is I don't really do characters, though I have done them before

But again this is basically more of a hobby in that I barely do anything else for fun anymore

>There are people who believe being successful on steam isn't a dice roll with 1/100 odds

kek

>>161992448
>can't do characters
>wants to do a harvest moon game

oh boy

I hope you're aiming for a stylized look and not anything realistic

>>161992472
Well you need outside exposure. I bet there's less than a thousand people on steam who just constantly look for new releases and buy shit that doesn't get coverage

>>161992472
I can pretty much count on a base number of sales/people so long as there's been sufficient marketing and I get a frontpage launch. That number isn't very large, but it is practically guaranteed once you reach certain thresholds.

>There are people who believe they can spout off certainties without doing any real research on the subject they're spouting off about

Reminder that your game will never be as successful as Stardew Valley, Undertale or any other of the indie games that got popular for no real reason.

You can't replicate it, the people who made those games can't replicate it, so stop even thinking about it and just make a game.

>>161992685
There were reasons those games got popular. Especially in the case of Undertale. Thinking there's no particular reason why those titles were successful is part of the reason why your game won't potentially sell as well as them, yes.

>>161992604
how do you get a frontpage, anyway? Do you pay for it or is it diceroll if you're indie?

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>>161992554
>I hope you're aiming for a stylized look and not anything realistic
If anyone on this thread is aiming for a game with realism, let me know so I can slap you and call you a bitch.

I actually HAVE modeled a realistic human before. It's VERY annoying and takes FOREVER.

So no, there will be no realism. In fact, I hate realism (outside of complex machinery) and it was never ever an option even if it wouldn't take literally forever. I haven't really decided on a style yet because I'm still implementing basic systems with placeholder graphics but I'm collecting examples of styles I like in the meantime.

>>161992685
Exactly why I'm making a game I want to play, rather than something I think will give me a bunch of monies. If it does, hell yeah, if it doesn't, whatever. At least I made something real instead of spending all that time drinking and playing videogames.

>>161968184
>headbutting the enemy to double death
It's Brutal Legend all over again.

>>161992604
It's simple statistics anon.

Huge majority of games on Steam this year aren't successful.

Why do you think yours will be any different, are you special?

What if you release your game and by some dumb luck no one will buy it that day, your frontpage cover is over and you sold 10 copies.

>>161992830
The only thing that you get when you release your game is being put in the New Releases category.

Anything else is someone working at Valve picking your game to showcase it.

>>161992685
>indie games that got popular for no real reason.
Pandering to the good audience.

Undertale knew how to pander to both the starbound fans and the neutral-gender-character reddit group.

Stardew knew how to pander to harvest-moon-with-no-anime-pls tumblr populace by filling it with country music and tumblr clichés characters.

>>161992830
It's based on relative popularity.

If you sell 20k units in a single month as an indie, most likely even half of that, you're virtually guranteed to get front paged.

>>161992830
As for the big gallery at the top: You ask. Valve says yes/no. The better your game/marketing is, and the more interested/wide your audience, the more likely you'll get it. Knowing who to ask helps a lot too.

Beyond that, you're guaranteed to show up on the front page for X number of impressions/views. You get a couple rounds of this forcing your game up to the front page as well - though they encourage that you limit those rounds to when you push big updates etc.

>>161992960
The huge majority of those games that weren't successful didn't analyze their market and didn't set a floor that met that market's interest. Successful in the context of a game is: Did it beat budget and did it meet or exceed sales estimations?

Finding reasons to be special is part of how you get successful. Look at this anon, for instance, successfully identifying some of the demographics targeting and USPs of the games aforementioned which 'for no particular reason' got popular. >>161993062

That's a dev that has a better chance of being successful than one that shrugs his shoulders and goes 'it's just a dice roll man'.

>>161992448
The thing is with Stardew Valley, a lot of its issues could easily be modded away, but nobody wants to try. I think that SV could really be enjoyable then.

Music is moddable. Replace with something that doesn't sounds like stock country music.
Art is extremely moddable. Replace portraits and world sprites with something more HM-esc.
Dialogue is also moddable even though barely anyone have done so. Replace depressing western dialogue with something more upbeat and happy akin to HM.

I would try but the bulk of the work is art and I'm an awful artist.

How do you guys feel about taking a break from your main project to do a mini-game of sorts?

For example if you're main project is a pirate sailing game, you step away, take what you have, and make a boat racing multiplayer minigame.

>>161993318
don't do that

>>161993318
I'd say it's dangerous and best left to folks who've got the money and staff where the project wouldn't care if you weren't there for a short period of time.

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>>161993062
>harvest-moon-with-no-anime-pls tumblr populace
At least Harvest Moon girls had fucking personality

And Story of Seasons gave me the ara ara older lady waifu I've always wanted

>>161993309
>The thing is with Stardew Valley, a lot of its issues could easily be modded away, but nobody wants to try.
From what I've heard, modding Stardew is a huge pain in the ass because it was a custom engine

>>161993135
>Knowing who to ask helps a lot too
Who do you ask?

>>161993527
Santa, mostly

I'm a big fan of HM/RF (and I want to like AC but it's too boring) but it feels like all the other fans are mostly in it for the marriage arc. That part is fine but farming (and companion-planting, strategic breeding, seed preservation, hybrids, pests, drainage, plant disease, ...) is objectively the best.

>>161993309
>a lot of its issues could easily be modded away, but nobody wants to try
I actually did when I was bored and didn't want to work on my game.

The SV modding is just too much of a hassle as it is right now, and despite the fact that it's currently evolving it would still take too much work to make it interesting. It would just be a waste of time.
First of all it's coded in XNA, most of the important values are either static or locked in a way making it impossible to modify the core of the game, and most importantly by the time you start to go that low in the code you know that it'd just be faster for you to rewrite the game in a proper way.

>>161993486
Isn't Stardew libdgx?

>>161993527
Depends on what your game is, who your point of contact is, and the sort of relationship you've got with Valve. I'll also point out that timing is critical in that sort of thing. If you don't have a very flexible launch date and your last name isn't Kotick, you're not likely to be able to shove out other products who were going to frontpage the day you wanted.

They'll probably only help you out there as much as you've paid heed to their advice as well. So my advice if you're coming in under your own umbrella and have only one contact is to build the fuck out of that bridge between you two, read very carefully everything they send back, and ask for advice here and there on when to do launches and et cetera. If your contact feels appreciated and you've got a connection there's a much higher chance they might put in some work for you to try and find a window that they can slip your game into.

And, as always, being popular helps enormously speed those sorts of thing along.

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>>161991213
Here's some progress. Not much but its progressing.

>>161992941
I am making a game with realism. Do we have a problem?

>>161993318
I do that a lot when i get in a rut. I set strict time periods so it doesn't spill over and take over my main game. It's usually a week because two feels a bit long, then just drop it at the end no matter what. If I still want to work on it, I can come back later in my next break
I'm currently doing a break project now >>161968184

>>161993486
>From what I've heard, modding Stardew is a huge pain in the ass because it was a custom engine
That was really only the case with gameplay modifications which (at least when I was into modding) needed to be dll files. Not sure if that is the case with the current modding API.
The simple stuff like audio, visual, and dialogue didn't need the API though, since you could just decompress the encrypted files with tools released, replace the files, re-encrypt them and drop them into the folder. Easy-peasy.

>>161993743
>The SV modding is just too much of a hassle as it is right now
True but like I said above that's only really for gameplay modifications. I think the core game is largely okay. It's the personality that needs work which is easier to modify.

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>>161993813
You a funny guy

>>161993785
Or, more simply put:
(A) Be attractive to customers
(B) Don't be unattractive to your client-ops point of contact.
(C) Timing.

>>161991213
I don't have much to show it's mostly basic stuff like parenting and inventory.

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>>161993486
>Harvest Moon girls had fucking personality
That's the joke.
According the the stardew playerbase the original girls are just "too naive" or "too anime" for their taste, so we get girls like Haley.

Look at her, just look. She literally looks like your typical popular american teen girl.

>>161993949
Or even simplier.

Step 1 Be Popular
Step 2 Don't be Unpopular

>>161994009
make a better game then :^)

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>>161994009
Well I'm not in love with a game where every girl thinks handholding makes babies either.

But fuck me they were all so bland.

>>161994163
Not him, but I'm trying.

What's the best site to use if I wanna ask anons opinions about music I just made?

>>161994204
Handholding?
That's lewd as hell!
I love it!

>>161994204
Are you gay or something?

>>161965641
Is this still about cooking fish?

>>161994259
/mu/

>>161993062
Hey I don't identify to any of the stupid reddit meme groups or gender bullshit, but I legitimately enjoyed Undertale. Yeah the fanbase is shit but it genuinely made me laugh a couple of times with actual jokes and timing since it didn't rely much on memes and made me tear up a couple times. It's actually good if you can look past the fanbase and the ridiculous amounts of cock sucking it gets.

>>161994363
Kill yourself you degenerate.

>>161994358
I was asking about game music that I made especially for a game.

>>161994363
That's fine - you're just explaining that Undertale didn't target that one demographic specifically. It didn't. That's another key to succeess: don't put all your eggs in one demographic's basket.

Or if you do you better be fucking great at exploiting that demo and getting/retaining their interest.

>>161993062
I liked undertale because it had funny jokes, good music and fun gameplay.

>>161994407
I'm sorry that I enjoyed something.

>>161994478
The really strange thing is that Undertale didn't have much marketing at all. It really just took off from the fanbase. If you're ever wanting to release anything, despite what you think about Undertale or Toby, that game is a great place to look for inspiration. I wish I could just drop a game out and get millions with barely any marketing.

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>>161993318
Ludum Dare is in a few days.

I don't think taking 2-3 days off to do gamejams has any effect on my main project.

I know for a fact that devs will use their main project as an excuse not to do game jams instead of just admitting they don't want to do jams or are afraid. It doesn't make sense though because 2-3 days on a jam game is nothing.

>>161994559
>funny jokes
You mean like the fart bag handshake?
Or the Flowey the Flower name joke?
Or the hauuu hauuu spider?
Or the get dunked?
Or the Photoshop boss?

Allow me to disagree but I'd hardly call them funny or 'not meme'.

>>161993062
Undertale already had a premade fanbase thanks to Fox's involvement with Homestuck. Everyone who liked HS just bought Undertale because of his name. It helped that he pandered to tumblr hard, but it literally couldn't fail on his history alone.

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Wannabe Nintendo Dev here
I'm scared by Steams saturation
but it does mean something positive
it'll take of the pristine image that getting a game on steam has held for a while now, maybe a better platform could take the crown

>>161994628
It had tons of marketing. It just didn't market much outside the demographic it was targeting at first. He had an enormous headstart on his base playercount thanks to relentlessly posting/responding and so forth after having tapped in to a very active community.

Odds are if you were big in to the whole MSPA and/or Homestuck crowd (or big into the Earthbound fan underground communities, esp. the hacking parts of it) you probably got hit with Undertale marketing at some point along the way. He did a lot of groundwork - it just wasn't outside that key demographic he made sure to fully capture.

>>161994773
whats the state of Ludum Dare themes anyways
haven't got a user in that site to check myself

>ITT hindsight marketing advice

>>161994805
>>161994559
Let's not turn this into a discussion about whether or not UT is actually good, let's just focus on the dev/marketing side of things

>>161994805
I found it funny, none of those things are memes, and 3 of those things aren't jokes.

>>161994907
That's the best sort of marketing advice. Putting your stock and trade into the whimsies of a fortune teller isn't a great idea. Figuring out why people are successful is hand-in-hand part of how you can become successful.

>>161995012
I just don't get how someone can be so cruel as to set other fellow devs for failure and feel good about it.

I guess it's the difference in our upbringing.

>>161994948
Good Point, Toby already kinda had an established base of people who read homestuck, so he didn't really pop out of nowhere, beyond that the game was well made, appealed broadly and kept a strong sense of humour throughout the affair, the unique selling point of a non combat oriented rpg-shmup hybrid was interesting and well executed.

>>161994907
>>161992472
It's hilarious that your relentless negativity in the thread over the past hour has spawned an interesting and useful discussion

>>161995209
>Being realistic and feeding people false hope = negativity

K

>agdg today is full of insightful, interesting, and relevant discussion about game development
Am I in a Bizarro universe? How does this even happen?

>>161994773
I just use the jam time to work on my main project instead.
But I use the jam as an excuse so people leave me alone

>>161995424
I think the new OP image is working.

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It's time to stop.

Post anime.

>>161995117
Ignoring what other people have done to be successful is setting yourself on the path to failure?

Do you just draw names out of a bag when you buy stock? Anything other than that is 'looking in hindsight'. Learning from other peoples' success and failure isn't weakness.

>>161995424
I don't often get to talk about the business/marketing side of stuff on /agdg/ but when I do I do my best to spread everything I know.

>>161992960
This is not true.
You get 500,000 exposures of your game when you release it, and you get 3 chances to do the same but for less views.
IF your game sells more, you get a few more chances.
Valve recommends you use those chances when you do a big update though

>>161995574
When your advice is "Just buy apple stock 30 years ago" then yeah, it's pretty irresponsible.

>>161994884
Round 2 of theme voting today:

Underground

The rules change as you play

One resource

Save yourself, not the world

Leave something behind

Assemble

Get me out of here!

Adaptation

Two colors

Artificial life

Guardian

Infinite loop

One room

Stronger together

Surveillance

Playing both sides
>tfw not a single fucking theme you voted on in round 1 made it through
Round2 is a lot better than Round1 though so at least we're getting somewhere

>>161995697
Your advice to ignore history is far more irresponsible than any history-grounded advice I could possibly offer.

"Just buy any stock at any amount" isn't a plan of action and is far less likely to make you money than paying attention and looking at the history of that stock. Same thing goes with making and marketing games.

If you're not paying attention to your demographics and what makes things fail/succeed, your ignorance is liable to be your downfall.

>>161995820
actually no
the best course of action is to invest in index funds. Which diversify the investment into a lot of stocks.
Companies rise and fall, but the average keeps growing year by year by an average of 7%
of course, you need to keep the money there growing in the long run.
If you try to play the market, you will never achieve 7% average long term returns.

>>161995820
My advice is the exact opposite of "ignore history", if you look at the history you'll realize you will fail.

I'm talking about ignoring outliers that you'll never replicate, which you are advocating "Just do the same thing they did lol".

I wonder why Hopoo didn't just "do the same thing" with his latest game as he did with Risk of Rain.

He should have 2 games at 1 million copies sold now according to you.

I can't wait for Toby's next game which will sell another 5 million copies.

>>161995470
>>161995470
>I just use the jam time to work on my main project instead.
>But I use the jam as an excuse so people leave me alone
Well that's just ultra sad.

>>161995710
what is your favorite theme so far? including all previous ludum dares

>>161995820
It's funny you mention stock because there's a study where people throwing darts to randomly select stocks have outplayed professionals playing the market.

>>161995820
>ignore history
There's a difference between ignoring history and being mindful of the present.

>>161996059
I'm not advocating people 'do the same thing they did'. I'm pointing out what they did and saying 'make note of that'. There's no silver bullet to making a successful game -- but there is an easy way to fail: and that's ignoring what makes games successful.

I'm not putting down earth shattering revelations here. A game without a market that buys it will never be a success no matter how great it is. Finding that market and getting their interest and converting that interest to sales is how you make money. Not guaranteed money, sure, but anybody that wants to be a part of this industry should already know that whatever you're doing, you're always gambling.

Personally, since I'm gambling, I'd rather play the odds than go 'fuck the rules, I'm a strong independent man who don't need no statistics'.

>I wonder why Hopoo didn't just "do the same thing" with his latest game as he did with Risk of Rain.

Probably because he didn't make the same sort of game? Oh, he didn't.

>He should have 2 games at 1 million copies sold now according to you.

I don't have a crystal ball that tells me how many people would buy any of Hopoo's games. If I did, I wouldn't be posting here. I'd be out in the Cayman Islands somewhere, having a grand retirement at the age of 30.

What I do have is stuff to show folks. Stuff to arm them so that they're more aware and understanding that making a successful game is more than just how good at making it you are -- it's also about how good you are at presenting it -- and how good you are at finding the right crowd and timing for it.

>>161996541
Hm, but where is your game?

>>161996541
Yeah, but where's your game?

>>161995687
>weebs responsible for drawing body parts they've never actually seen in real life

kek

>>161996631
why didn't you ask the other guy

>>161996452
Over a short period of time or over a long period of time?

>>161996631
http://store.steampowered.com/app/70900/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/282590/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/460420/

I've got a lot of experience with failure and it's taught me a lot along the way. Regardless of that, the games I've helped put out did sell -- they just didn't sell enough.

>>161996780
Over a year.

>>161996725
Not sure what you're trying to say.

>>161996075
why?
I never have time to work on my main project because I'm always out with friends and family.

"You can work on that never-ending project next week" type of thing.
But if I say: "There is an international game jam where you have to make a game in 72 hours!! MUST WORK HARD THIS WEEKEND!!1!11"
then they leave me alone and I can make some actual progress

So game question now

Is there a way for Unreal 4 blueprint to "wait" until it receives player input? I did this whole line where I execute some functions before I need to wait for the player to input a number before using that number in the rest of the line

I tried using a while loop using a boolean that's set when the player is done entering the number but it threw an infinite loop error in my face.

>>161996858
He's just the usual anime hater poster just ignore him.

>>161996948
>UE4
>Blueprint

This is a thread for real game devs anon.

Perhaps RPG maker general will suit your question better?

>>161996059
If you're strictly looking to make money then looking at the failure rate is the best place to start
But I'd bet that nobody here is doing this to make money (or at least didn't start that way). Looking at the history is good if you're going to make a game either way regardless of monetary failings but want to increase your chances of making money/getting noticed.

>>161996825
A year's not very long as stocks go. If they can outplay over 5 I'd be impressed. Anyone playing the short stock game is playing a very hectic and madness-inducing game that, yeah, is likely to boil down to just randomness because everybody's rolling their own at all times.

Over longer periods of time, you start getting in to historical trends -- which is where paying attention will matter. That's where I play with the stock market. I don't have the energy or the razor-focus to go toe-to-toe with those crazy energy-drink-fueled stockbrokers on the hour markets - but that doesn't mean I can't make money by watching what a company's doing versus where it is and making educated guesses about where it's likely to go.

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>>161997014
You can't hurt my feelings!

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>>161997014