/twg/ - Total War General

Nagash was a bitch

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SAY
MY
NAME

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HAS-TA-TI-I

Best army setup for chaos to remove wood elves in their forests while listening to "it ain't me"?

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Total War: LotGH WHEN

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Reminder that you can't just autoresolve all your sieges now.

>>161904946
>chaos
Have fun trying to catch me nigga
Run & Gun

Nth for CA STOP RUINING MAGIC, IT'S ALREADY BAD!

>>161905025
>*uses 4 chaos greatcannons*
Pssssshh nothin personel, infidel

>>161905052
nth for CA STOP RUINING TOTAL WAR. IT'S ALREADY BAD!

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lamellar stylish as fuck

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>Manticore no longer playing Horse vocalisations when selected in Battle.

>>16190517
dahnald?

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>>161904979
I don't mind a big siege every once in a while but it seems like the AI builds walls in every fucking settlement. Shit gets stale, yo

>>161904946
Hellcannons, Horsemasters, Halberds, Knights.

>>161904946
Hellcannons :^)

Or go full horsefucker on the treehuggers

best mod for Rome 2? It's actually radious right?
Did they even release that atilla mod for rome2 period?

>>161905514
No, it's Attila.

>>161905305
Get a dedicated siege contingent.
Last campaign I had an artillery train who's job it was to demolish walls and towers.
Great fun.

>>161905514
>did they even release that atilla mod for rome2 period?
Not yet, but it's supposed to be out September the 30th so we'll just have to wait until then.

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>All units summoned in battle (EG Cygor, Skeletons, Manticore etc) have a new negative ability named Unbinding. This inflicts damage over time to represent their instability. The Unbinding effect scales with the value of the unit.
oh fugg

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Reminder that Mannfred is the shittiest Carstein

>Mannfred is the shittiest Carstein
no shit
Vlad 4 life

>>161905928
>>161905891

How disappointed do you think Vlad is with Manny?

>>161905708
>>161905305
Or just get an agent that can sabotage walls.

>>161905804
>reusing crumbling instead of a bound monster rule that would make them go berserk if morale drops low enough

REEEEEEEEEEE IMPLEMENT MORE MORALE EFFECTS YOU COWARDS REEEEEEEEE also why don't the fucking giants fall over reeeeeeee

>>161905708

What do you do as Vamps then?

All units summoned in battle (EG Cygor, Skeletons, Manticore etc) have a new negative ability named Unbinding. This inflicts damage over time to represent their instability. The Unbinding effect scales with the value of the unit.

but summon skele/zombie was already shit

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>Gobbo archers

>>161906326
Maybe next patch big guy.

>>161906053
>How disappointed do you think Vlad is with Manny?
so much that he rolled right back up from his grave

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>>161905708
>>161906096
Gonna have to agree with wall sabotage over artillery train on this one. Although just having a unit with siege attacker in your army is pretty nifty, too.

>>161906149
Flock of Terrorgheists and Vargheists, led by Ghoulking to clear the walls, couple of Varghulf to break the gate and serve as the tip of the spear

>>161904801
Why do they keep making magic shittier and shittier instead of buffing the garbage lores/spells?

>>161906698
I admit I don't get why they made summoning even shittier
also unit sizes still make magic balance fucked what's with that!

>>161905171
T-Ted?

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Grey or Jade /twg/?

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>>161906053
Very

>>161905804
CA just fucked magic over didn't they?

>>161906941
I mean, all the summoning spells apart from the basic raise dead one were pretty strong.

The main problem is that there seems to be something fucked with units not being able to be hurt while being knocked around, which fucks up a lot of offensive spells. Then the bombardment spells get fucked because they have tiny hitboxes which makes most of their projectiles miss most of the time.
Meanwhile, the magic missiles seem to randomly get changed from being super OP oneshot-machines to completely useless every other patch.
Many buff/debuff spells are pretty good, but I just wish they would fix the shit with the offensive spells so they can possibly start balancing them properly and make shit like lore of heavens useful.

>>161906992
Give me the boyars, Dahnaldovisch

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Is this patch take it easy material?

>>161907254

It was already fucked

It is now fucked to the point of being useless

>>161907013
Fashion > being a good person and helping/healing people

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>>161907441

>>161907441
The most significant changes was to spawning so not that much as changed.

Wind of Death will still kill armies.

>>161907582

Honestly amazed they haven't nerfed that to shit yet considering how useless all the other vortexes are

>>161907013
The one with more support abilities
Only thing magic is good for

>>161907013
>Vortex spell
>Explosion spell

Oh wow such interesting lores.

Kill me now.

>>161907713
Because it's pretty hard to use against good players I guess.

Pretty situational overall.

>>161907582
I wouldn't be so sure. There have been a lot of undocumented changes to magic in the past updates, like gaze of nagash being turned into a oneshot killer and then back into a useless tickler in 2 consecutive updates.

>>161907762

Yeah but the AI falls for it every time

>>161907292
they were balanced manawise, at least in multiplayer with a fixed winds pool anon, if you summoned a cygor your fucked for mana, the only imba one I'll admit was wight king summons, but he came packaged with such a shit hero that it counterbalances!


as to the knockback damage immune, it's gotta be by design at this point anon. It's been so long and no sign of patching it or acknowledging.

It does seem that every non buff spells gets introduced, gets nerfed so it's unusable, then the cycle repeats. why though is the real question

>>161907762
No because they hardly do any damage

>>161907767
Wel,l we can wail about it when we get those kind of changes documented by the community.

>>161907801
well, for one, the AI won't go in the forums crying about how it lost a battle because it got outskilled

>>161907859
I fucked up the reply. I was talking about Wind of Death to another anon.

>>161907762
>>161907801

I wish a few more spells were like that, where they can be really strong in the right circumstances. Only ones I know of are wind of death, foot of gork and net of amyntok.

>>161907013
Why was my first thought that these two look like brothers?

>>161907901

They will literally never stop doing that though

Nerfing magic doesn't make the game more balanced it just means nobody will bother using it

>>161908015
That would be a cool way to make some immersive wizards, recruit a jade and grey wizard and rename them to be brothers with a rivalry.

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>tfw no Total War: Finno-Korean Hyper War

>haven't even played the game yet
>bought chaos and wood elves dlc

Living dangerously.

>>161908190
get blood. when do you play anon

>>161907856

Maybe they are just terrified of creating another devolve fiasco.

>>161908190
>didnt buy BM

Good lad

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>tfw you bully lil babby manny

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>Be me, Grey Wizard
>Everyone thinks i'm an unsociable Autist.
>Just want to sit in the corner with my pet crow.
>Avoid towns because they don't like me
>Karl Franz comes up to me one day, punches me in the face and calls me a loser dork.
>"t-thanks"
>Now I have to fight in his army.
>Crowbro flew off and now I can't find him.
>tfw

>>161908263

Forgot, got blood as well.
Since it's so close, waiting for wood elves to hit for a more populated campaign.

>>161908273

Maybe later.

>>161908304
>1.5 provinces
>still strength rank 4

>>161908435
armies full of zombies

>>161908107
>Sibling rivalry peaks in a wizards duel
>They are equally matched and their respective winds kind of cancel each other out
>Devolves into a slap-fight between two old men in dresses.

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>half dead Grimgore
vs
>1500 men of the empire
50/50 change of winning

wew lad

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>>161908597

>>161908597
Should be 30/70 tbqh

>>161908635
surely they have patched it

s-surely?

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>>161908705

why would they ever patch that

>>161908705
Grimgor is ez to kill. Grab something tanky and with AP damage and he's toast.

>>161908597
Grimgor is gonna flagellate you with your flagellants.

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>>161908415
I hope you are brushing yourself up battle skillwise with skirmish/multiplayer battles at least anon, the game is such good screenshot fodder

>>161908304
>Untrustworthy
get this hothead outa here

>>161908597
I don't see the problem with this, see
>>161908635

>>161908267
It'd only be a fiasco if they don't patch it quickly I swear, could make sense though.

>>161908635
Those dwarfs deserved it for not just making him a huge pincushion. The last time the AI did this against me he never even reached the line.

>>161908370
He's right there dummy

>>161908597
never reached my lines, got holed by my horses

A wise man once said "Do you want Total War?"

>>161909474
>Totaler krieg
>Wise

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>Be me, Jade Wizard
>Just chilling out in my forest cottage.
>Tomatoes growing well by the window.
>During the quad-daily removing of moss from beneath my fingertips, the Emperor walks in.
>Tells me i'm a bug eating cave dweller.
>I tell him he's mistaking me for the Amber Wizard
>He punches me in the face.
>Tells me I need to fight for Sigmar
>Tell him I don't even believe in Sigmar.
>He headbutts my tomato plants and drags me to his smelly city.
>There's no plants in sight.
>This moss is really annoying.
>tfw.

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>>161909474

Really CA?

>>161909178
>Implying the new crow isn't an illusion the grey wizard is keeping up to cope with the loss of his crowbro.

>>161909626
he's obligated by oath to serve the Empire. Or else the Witch Hunters can burn him at the stake.

is there a mod that removes the chi rho from shields and replaces the labarum standard if you convert back to roman paganism?

>>161911265
yeah the mod where you go into the assembly kit and change it yourself after doing a retexture

>>161909626

>That stretched beard texture

Bravo, CA.

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It is now Official. Athel Loren is radiant in its resplendence. Delicate young boys cavort for the delight of their mistresses, and the luminescence of sprites and pixies flicker through the enchanted wood. The Sisters of Twilight languorously uncurl from their embrace; panpipes flute a tune of merriment throughout the halls of the summerstrand. The diverting indignities of gorposting and Deep-Thinking Goblins are a receding memory, a windblown fragment of the season past. All Asrai make ready for frolic and improductivity; indolence is the watchword, and none can be found but are feverishly, zealously committed to inactivity.

From the Oak of Ages, the Eternal Queen watches and is warmed by the celebrations of her people. In such a festive air, Orion's rebirth cannot but be imminent; Ariel's handmaidens ceaselessly weave flowers into her hair, presenting an endless procession of styles and and aspects by which their beloved monarch might greet her consort. Those that retain a sense of time and worldly events look to his arrival; Naieth's divinations serve only to confirm what the jubilant atmosphere of the forest makes evident.

Wood Elves Confirmed.

>>161908304

>Karl Franz

>Untrustworthy

whut

Best mod for Napoleon Total War?

Just looking for a general overhaul, nothing that changes it drastically like the Great War.

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Time for some KFC

>>161913030
LME

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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thoughts on this twg?

>>161913308
Assign your banners holy shit.

>>161913308
>there are people that still don't understand how banners work

Drag the banners on to the units you want to receive the buffs, anon.

>>161913434
>as Beastmen had 90% of their roster recycled from the Chaos race
Stopped reading there.

Also, this meme of "a game's popularity with twitch streamers/youtubers matters" needs to die.

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>>161913434

You tell me

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Oh boy

COLONIAL ERA TOTAL WAR

FUCKING

W
H
E
N

>>161913681
You mean Empire?

But yeah, I would like some Renaissance/Age of Discovery/Pirates Total War.

>>161913681
After the Deluge total war

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Traitor fucks decided to attack from behind, the madmen. Thank gods my boy Harn will support my frontal assault

>>161913434
>all the warhammer factions play the same
>all the factions in rome 2 play slightly differently
How can someone be this objectively wrong? How can anyone think dwarfs and vampires have a more similar playstyle than hellenic faction #4 and hellenic faction #7?

>>161913434

It's shit

>>161913770
I mean the era of stone cold fucking murder that was 1810-1920.

>>161913896
Could work.

Though I wouldn't mind Age of Mythology: Total War.

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That's an unexpected amount of cav, holy shit.

>>161913434
His logic is stupid but he's right. CA are jewish as fuck and variety of Warhammer is heavily overstated. His problem was mentioning Rome 2 instead of Rome or Medieval 2 which offered way more bang for your buck.

>>161914076

No, he's right about nothing and that's it.

Also using youtubers as proof of anything made me laugh out loud

>>161913672
>>161913838
>>161913976

>supposedly the Everchosen

>Tzeench fucking with you for no apparent reason

Why

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I forgot about the giants, well shit

>>161913976
>>161914239

>All those GW chosen

You'll be fine

>>161914076
rome and medieval 2 had like 2 or 3 factions that required ANY form of different playstyle.

>>161914195
He's right about Warhammer being one of the shallowest TW games and offering very little without having to fork out cash for DLC. The only new thing Warhammer offers is flying units which were poorly implemented.

>>161914239
I've demoted Sigvald to Giant Countering duty
He kills them pretty fast

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DEM SPIKY HUMIES GOT SUM GOOD SHINIES!

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My madmen squad is still standing, not for long though

>>161914076
>instead of Rome or Medieval 2
you see if he would've mentioned this I would've been ok with it. but now he choses to use Rome 2 and Attila.

>>161914076
>Medieval 2
ayy lmao

>>161914423
not an argument

>>161914382
I believe in them.

>>161914458

M2 is shit and broken on top of it

>>161913615
eh I don't shelling out some shekels for it. did it for Attila and Rome 2.

>>161914578
still not an argument
warhammer still has the same retarded AI that abandons castles to do stupid shit

>>161914076

>Shallowest
>Mentions M2

DUDE 200 BUILDINGS THAT ADD 0.25 GROWTH LMAO

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Birb is about to get fucked

I really hope the next TW will be set in the seventeenth century. It could even be done in an expansion system like warhammer, with the first one being set in Europe, focused on the 30 years war, second in an American theatre, focused on natives and colonisation with intercontinental trade sprinkled in if you have the first one, and have the third add in India and China and have whatever the fuck happened there as a focus, while improving on intercontinentality and I guess Russian expansion if you have the first one

Seriously, give me some pike and zzz already

>>161914662

But M2 is straight up broken and also has shit AI, except the AI is also shit in battle

12 yo me could beat M2 on max difficulty without being able to speak a word of english

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Help from muh boy Harn is on it's way.

>>161914367
>Orc warboss
>da Considerate

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>>161914671
>implying you ever played medieval 2
>implying stainless steel encompasses all of medieval 2

>>161914671
City building and development has been boring since Shogun 2

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Some traitor knights are trying to stop my nigga Harn from helping the madmen team. But ain't nothing that could stop Harn from helping his friends.

>>161914902

Stainless steel is even more retarded, let's take the worst parts of medieval 2 and amplify them, literally every cav and the most brainless battles ever, just smash them in.

Also remove swords from pikes to fix them, that way they can fight from all sides with pikes LOL.

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>>161914837
And the AI is still shit in Warhammer 10 years from now, the only difference is there's no special formations or abilities on most units so the AI does slightly less dumb shit at the expense of the player. CA hasn't learned one bit.

>>161904946
Defensive setup with hellcannons, halberds and death mage. Maybe some flyers to eat their eagle archers.

>>161915094
Stop shitposting so loudly, the other kids are trying to sleep

Try some subtlety

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Back to gatari with you, bird.

>>161913434
>find myself going back bla bla

A lot of that is pretty subjective. Going back to previous games is nothing new for total war games anyway. The " same basic strategy" shit is defiently something that happens with the factions in rome 2 though so not sure what he is talking about.

Overall those things is really subjective. I continually went back to shogun 2, when Attila had just been released, even if shogun 2 had all that "basic strategy" shit going on for it. Attila was still a really fun game. Older games have the "familiarity advantage" to it I guess.

Long time TW player, planning on picking up Warhammer if it goes on sale during the Holiday event. What race should I play first? I was thinking Greenskins or Vampire Counts but I wasn't sure.

>Tweaks to timers that make pulling out of melee more reliable. Units pulling out of combat will now ignore combat for a bit longer before getting dragged back in.
not too sure on how to feel about that.

>>161914946

>City building and development have taken actual thought since Shogun 2

ftfy

>>161915165

Nope, the AI is actually competent in battle, it has been since R2, in M2 it's laughably bad in all settings.

If I could defend Rome with just shitty local militia crusade after crusade there's a reason.

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I dont know what the fuck is going on

The Roman separatists are friends with the ERE no less

>>161915260
>the AI is actually competent in battle
No it isn't. The AI is straight up braindead. If you've ever played a multiplayer battle in your life you'd know this was the case. It's even worse if there's reinforcements because you can usually catch the AI with their pants down.

>>161915242
It's unquestionably good. I can't even count the amount of times I've had a unit turning around to fight again just because two dudes are stuck.

>>161915341

>No it isn't.

Yes it is.

OK /twg/, let's try something. Seeing how the empire is the most versatile faction, we should try collaborating and using our strategic mind to catalogue army build/archetypes that are best suited for fighting different enemies, both when at high tech and low tech

>>161914218
It's the nature of chaos and definitely in the nature of Tzeench.

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>>161915260
The AI in Rome 2 is fucking retarded

>>161915260
>Building recruitment buildings in the cities with bonuses, and a level one market in all other cities sure is hard

>>161915442

It's decent, it actually protects its flanks and pulls unit to defend from hammers

>>161915442
It's just as bad in Warhammer but with one wall for sieges so AI doesn't sit outside for ages reorganizing themselves until they die.

>>161915517

Building whatever the fuck because every building does the same +growth shit and there are no downsides is even more retarded.

Let's not forget how the nr.1 method to manage squalor was literally let your city rebel and exterminating it, the literal definition of brainded management.

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Niggas run like bitches they are

>>161915341

>comparing the AI to actual people

Name ONE(1) game where the AI is actually better than the player in any RTS/strategy game

>>161915231
Empire is familiar, but it can have a tough start if you aren't prepared or used to that kind of start(Kinda like the Oda in shogun 2).

You can turtle as the vampire counts but you probably won't have that many friends whatever you do.

>>161915641
Why do you keep bringing up +growth for every building when its blatantly false? Just admit you've never played the games.

>>161915596

The AI in Warhammer isn't bad, it's bad in M2 and RTW.

I've posted examples of the AI literally shutting off in M2 in the past, it has never happened in Warhammer.

>>161915718


Because that's literally what is in the game as far as economy goes, and since you don't have to manage public order because LOL EXTERMINATE there is nothing else to do.

>>161914718
don't you use my waifus name in vain, fucker.

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>>161915653
I know chaos is supposed to be played that way but your economy hurts my autism

>>161915653
>people playing the game in anything other than English
cyka blyat

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>>161915530
Don't think I've ever experienced it doing that in Rome 2. At least not with any competence.

Battles tend to play out like in Rome 1, the AI is too retarded to make use of its numbers and if they see a line of units they will attack, clumping up and waiting to either get rolled up or hammered. Meanwhile ranged units sit in the back and wait to get demolished by your cavalry.

I thought it might have something to do with barbarian factions but this screenshot doesn't really support that idea.

>>161915692
Chessmaster 3000 :^)

>>161913434
>the game is bland and i see myself going back to Napoleon and Empire
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>161915898
You haven't seen my economy when I had 5 armies of chosen.
>>161915902
m8, pls

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>>161915926
More

>>161915926
I seem to remember them flanking with cav in rome 2. They definitely do that way more often in Attila and TWW though

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>>161915926
It has nothing to do with barb factions they will always be retarded. Attila was slightly better and they seem to be just as retarded in Warhammer from my campaign experiences.

>>161915926
>Don't think I've ever experienced it doing that in Rome 2

I have

>Battles tend to play out like in Rome 1

Nope, in RTW it was just an attack move since there was no bracing

>>161916073

You managed to outflank an outnumbered enemy? Bravo?

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>>161858091
So this is the current status, JUST squad about to give me grief somewhere. Hopefully not Minas Morgul

>>161916006
It's just proof that it's really subjective. Setting preference is definitely a big factor for total war fans.

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Another example of the AI being mind-numbingly retarded

>>161916218
>You managed to outflank an outnumbered enemy? Bravo?
Way to miss the point, retard.

You can see them sending 2-3 of their own units to occupy one of mine. Including spearmen that are completely useless against heavy infantry and even the most novice player would have used to fend off flanking cav.

>>161916089
Yes, they do (try to) flank. I've never noticed them do much to defend against flanking

>>161916391
Jesus. You think that army is spawned or something?

>>161916562
Kek.

I remember being suprised when the AI in Attila actually had units on hold to prevent me from doing that in a settlement battle. It was futile in the end of course because of the shitty quality of their troops.

>Legendary Lords will now speak in the Front End when selected while starting a new Campaign.
what do they mean by this? Like they'll say something when selected on the faction selection screen?

>>161916747

No idea

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>>161915791
>The AI in Warhammer isn't bad,
Yes it is. The only reason it never self destructs in siege battles is because it only has to go forward and throw all its men in one direction. The AI still freezes up in Rome 2 siege battles.

>>161916719
By "that" I meant sandwiching the enemy in the streets

>>161916852

>Yes it is

No it isn't.

Also stop deflecting from the fact it's just plain bad in M2 and RTW, and we're not even discussing specific scenarios, it's just shit all around.

Does anyone actually enjoy playing as the bloody handz?

Greenskins is already a siege attack simulator and using a bunch of unarmored units doesn't make it any more fun.

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>>161916391
He went after Minas Morgul, who would've thought. I pulled out everything but my weakest unit out of Cirith Ungol to defend Minas Morgul, this includes 1 ballista unit.
>>161916620
They probably do because I have not seen the AI attack me with anything but orc volunteers, band, raiders and scouts on his own. All of it what I assume fairly low tier armies. This one has fucking Mumakil, trolls, good archers HALBERDIERS and other shit.

>>161917052
Sabotage walls and go fast

>>161917090
>Lord Boromir

I don't think he'll be faction heir for long...

>>161917052

Get some savvage arrer boyz and lots of rock lobbaz

>>161917031
M2 and RTW AI can be modified at the very least to allow for different formations while TWW's is hardcoded. Both games are over 10 years old and there hasn't been any significant improvement to the AI in any way. The AI is still shit.

>>161916852

>tfw many WRE settlements have been saved because the stacks of AI enemies gets stuck and runs to the edge of the map sitting there with their siege equipment

feels so fucking good man

>Skarsnik's Pernicious Precision faction trait now applies upkeep reduction bonuses to Goblin-based units.

I don't get it, doesn't that trait already do that?

>>161917372
>>161917229
I know all the tricks, I just can't bring myself to finish even short campaign objectives because they're so tedious.

I wish dwarfs would actually leave their settlements once in a while. I feel like ambushing would be great but I'm 200 turns into my campaign and I still have yet to do a single ambush battle because nobody is moving their armies around.

Any warhammer campaign where 99% of your battles are siege battles is awful.

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TRIARII

>>161917540

>M2 and RTW AI can be modified at the very least

Ah yes I know of the "modifications" to RTW and M2 AI, which were nothing more than formation changes and as soon as you got in charge range it devolved in the same retarded AI, it also doesn't fix the lack of flanking and protection thereof.

AE AND 1212 CAMPAIGNS WHEN

Wood elves is only going to be able to hold me over for so long before I'm out of things to do in warhammer again.

>>161917751
>overhand

Isn't that pilum he's throwing a little too long? I thought this mod prided itself on realism...

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>>161917952
TRIARII?!

>>161917909
>I'm out of things to do in warhammer again.
you done with Attila and Rome 2?
also did you find me quotting you belittling? cause I just had someone tell me that I shouldn't do that cause it belittles people.

>>161917952

Overhand is the historically accurate method of using a spear and shield

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>>161917090
>>161917370
Nah he was the one squatting in the woods, had to ride to Henneth Annun to save Faramirs ass. No wonder Denethor thinks he's a disappointment, the very least he could do is have a cav as his bodyguard unit.

>>161918075
>muh pottery

That's like saying comic books are an accurate source on modern warfare. Have you ever used a spear? Overhand is uncanny at best.

>>161918225

The artists were all trained in hoplite warfare, since artists were citizens and citizens were trained.

Also it goes beyond pottery, it extends to medieval art.

I'll take depictions from the time over LARPers thanks.

>>161918225
Have you ever seen a hoplon? what are you going to do stab at his shins?

>>161918175
The arrow, though

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Elves soon

>>161916446
no shit, but I have enjoyed all the total wars in one form or another, and the settings never bothered me in the slightest.
But to be so delusional to say that there is no diversity in warhammer and that all factions play the same, only to go and say that Napoleon and Empire don't is beyond retarded

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>>161915292

>>161918636
i dont get this

>>161918387
As opposed to what? Stabbing at a bronze helm?

>>161918347
Being trained in something doesn't mean they'll be accurate in their depictions as it's first and foremost a work of art and concessions are to be made. Wouldn't be the first time primary sources are deemed unreliable. And medieval art is far from historically accurate when dealing with its own past.

Also, I'm a martial artist, not a LARPer.

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Flagellants are so fucking useless

>>161916852
>it only has to go forward and throw all its men in one direction
This is false

The AI just stays still while they get murdered by ranged and artillery fire, Attila had much better sieges

>>161918808
Use them on low tier VC units. They tear through zombies and skellies pretty well, especially with the buffs from Volkmar/Arch Lectors.

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Who should I trust
>a myriad of sources occurring globally that depict overhand spear grip + HEMA practitioners like Matt Euston
>random anon on the internet

>>161918808
Useless when you use them.
Beastly when the AI uses them.

>>161918792

>And medieval art is far from historically accurate when dealing with its own past.

If people from the ancient past depicted shield walls in a way, and people from the middle ages almost 2000 years later depicted it the same way, I'm gonna go ahead and say they were right in their depiction.

And yes a bronze helmet is much more preferable than the fucking shins.

>>161918680
It's because people play with 19 great weapon infantry for each faction, or take the same kind of army setup every time and wonder why every battle plays the same.

>>161917704
maybe it was a bug?

>>161918347
>>161918387
>>161918075
oh yeah i'm sure holding a heavy ass fucking spear overhand is a great way to go about it, not inconvenient in the slightest

>>161918067
I have 450 hours in Attila already.

I don't want to bother with Rome 2 because AE will be a better version of that. I've considered doing a FotE WRE campaign but I want to do AE roman campaign first so they play right into each other.

And no, quoting me isn't belittling and whoever said that is silly.

>>161918792
Well yes, stab at his eyes, neck, the guy next to him, stab at his shins actually probably but overhand is infinitely more useful

>>161918960
Good thing you can aim for the helm even with underhand and put more strength into it too then

>>161918792
There's no such thing as HEMA in the modern day, just HELARP.

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Middenland should thank me for killing Franz and allowing them to grow powerful.

>>161919052

I don't care what you think you can do, primary sources state they fought overhand

>>161918993
>weapons
>heavy
Anon do you have to make it so obvious that you don't have a clue what you're talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p93xUp9GrQ

>>161919101
They know you're crooked

>>161918943
Overheard spear wielding is against any intuition and really makes no sense.

>>161919142
yes anon i'm sure a 6 foot long spear is not cumbersome or heavy
it totally isn't much easier to hold it underhand than overhand, nope not in the slightest

>>161919109
Primary sources also state that barbarians jumped on top of shieldwalls and opened holes in them by tearing the shields out of the legionaries' hands.

>>161919142
Not him but overhand is much more tiring and you only can put the arm's strength behind your blows so it's not that good

>>161919407

>Primary sources also state that barbarians jumped on top of shieldwalls and opened holes in them by tearing the shields out of the legionaries' hands.

And?

Also it's funny because there are some tribals to this day that fight with spear and shield, and they still fight overhand.

But yeah I'm gonna believe some fatass in stainless steel armor running his "tests"

So since this patch doesn't seem to fix the ranger reload tech bug, is that actually a bug or a feature?

>>161919026
how many hours do you have in warhammer?

>And no, quoting me isn't belittling and whoever said that is silly.
that's what I thought. but the guy seems convinced that it's something that everyone should know. though it was in a youtube comment so maybe it's different?

>>161919497
>using niggers as a source over warfare
>making assumptions as it somehow helps your case

You can definitely do better than that

>>161919497
You're retarded anon

>>161919497
overhand goes against your own fucking nature
why would you hold something above you, when it's much easier to hold it lower on your person

when you pick something up or carry something do you hold it above your head like a fucking autist?

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Holy shit I forgot how many of you were armchair soldiers/historians

>>161919756

Good thing it doesn't go against primary sources.

>>161919664

That actually fight, as did the people from 2000 years ago, in the same way depicted without having ever seen such depictions

So much for for "your own nature"

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Go home, Mannfred

>>161919664
Vikings and Saxons did the same. It's in the Bayeux Tapestry. Or is that just more artistic license?

>>161919874
and you must have a PhD in nigger dick studies right?

>>161919962
No but I don't act like I do

>>161919663
I'm close to 350 hours in Warhammer too.

>>161919926
Yes, it may very well have been. Don't forget that art was fucking backwards and overhand was a clean way to depict the arms and the weapons they carried without much trouble.

If you can say the roman depictions of widespread segmentata are just artistic license then I can't see how we should believe everything else was any more accurate.

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G O B L I N S

>>161920052
I never said I had one either, nor did I act like I have one

if these dumbasses would actually study some of this shit or ask someone qualified, rather than just copying shit from the internet, they would realize it was a mixture of both over and underhand and not one or the other exclusively

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>>161920139
goblins :)

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>>161920139
I've been waiting for you

>>161920168

> they would realize it was a mixture of both over and underhand

Nope every single depiction of shield walls is overarm, there is no "mixture"

SOME art has it depicted underarm when they are dueling, and just SOME of the duel artwork.

>>161920217
>well meme'd
>not well grudge'd
into the book

>>161920245
stop

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Who should I start an SFO campaign with while waiting for Wood elves + SFO update?

I'm down for playing anything that isn't beastmen, since I've just finished a campaign with them also, not Skarsnik, because no one likes gobbos

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>>161917909
hopefully soon

custom battles can only hold me over for so long

>>161920245
Weren't all greeks depicted with a raised arm to show off their perfect greek physique?

>be me
>stand in formation with my m8s
>we're holding our spears underarm because it's intuitive
>it's a bit tight though
>see some clowns holding their spears above their heads
>the retards don't realise we have longer reach then them
>we close in on them
>shields lock because mass of men that keep going forward
>all of a sudden i can't stab anywhere because no space
>oh shit the guy's stabbing at my face
>try to lift shield
>can't lift shield
>die rested

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>>161916719
I was caught completely off-guard by it the first time it happened

>>161920551
what does SFO mean

>>161920551

>Warhammer looks so good that could very well be an RPG

>>161920706

I think steel and faith overhaul. But I may be wrong.

>>161920706
Steel faith overhaul

Best mod http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=704361604

is there any reason to play EB2 over EB1? keep in mind that I haven't played any of the two

>>161920052
>nobody is allowed to discuss anything

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occasional reminder that Manny simply wanted to be a good guy

>>161920762
>>161920775
looks fun, thanks

>>161917778
Same goes for Warhammer.

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Oh shit

Quick help guys what do I choose?

>>161921296

>Morkfags will reccomend Mork

Gork it up git.

>>161921296
Don't listen to the Gorkfags lad

Mork's your man.

Well are ya /twg/?

>https://twitter.com/DogbertCA/status/805883105777164291
>Interested in streaming or making youtube videos for Total War: WARHAMMER and Wood Elves? Then DM me and we can talk about getting you keys.

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>>161921296
>2016
>not choosing Mork
You'd be a retard not to choose Gork

>>161921296
The bigguy one

>>161919898
Which units are those two on the lower right of Mannfreds army

>>161921296

Gork obviously

I mean he is the first choice

>>161921373
>Guy retweets wrestling gifs
I'd totally follow him if I used twitter

>>161921296
the brutally cunning one

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>>161921373
>streaming on my toaster
Are you lads ready for some sprites?

>>161921440
Those are Tarrorghorsts, the spookiest massive batters.

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>>161921296

>>161921463
>Gork
>Not Mork

wew

>>161921296
Mork is smart and stabby, Gork is stupid and strong.

I want to do a campaign as a different empire province like stirland or ostland.

Is there a mod for this?

>>161921590
Call of Warhammer

>>161921382
>stop picking gork

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>>161921628

>m2

>>161921628
I mean in TWW

>>161921750
>$0.05 has been deposited into your account

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>>161921473
Dude you should it's a chick magnet, just look at my followers :^)

Okkam's Mindrazor is going to be the only spell worth bringing in Lore of Shadow's right?

Against Dwarfs and Chaos that stuff should rock.

>>161918636
>Hail Odin
>Crusades

????????

You can't be both a pagan and christian /pol/fag.

>>161922153
Tell that to the Golden One

>>161919357
>Thrust with gravity.
>Can poke over spears.
>Better for defensive play.
>Can throw if you're badass.
>Less cumbersome.

>>161918808

>unbreakable tarpits that fuck up unarmored enemies

Nah, Flagellants are good. Might be a bit expensive, but Unbreakable is a really overpowered stat.

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>Elf-Mounter

WELL THEN!

>>161922153
It's some retarded nazi swede

>>161922441
>Elf-Mounter

UNF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-YWWGy16WQ
>that kiss at the end
what did they mean by this?

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Guys, explain to me why the AI in m2 was bad? I felt like it was the best out of any total war except for Warhammer

>>161922628
timestamp

>>161922628
>Durthu's animation where he picks up a man and crushes him with his foot
Neat

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>>161922441

I guess we know what's going to happen to elf captives when they're out

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>>161922801
>M2 Ai
>good

>>161922918
Cuddling?

>>161922801
The AI hasn't changed much since the series' inception.

>>161921590
search for "Unlocker" or "Legendary Lord Starting Positions"

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=689956899
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=693628905&searchtext=unlocker

>>161922801
It sometimes stands still while getting shot at forever and only start moving when its forces are really depleted. It's not the WORST AI in the total war games when it comes to land battles though.

The most serious issue with the medieval 2 ai is when it comes to siege battles. There it also gets hampered by serious pathfinding issues(and other bugs).

>>161922909
3:08 they kiss right after listen closely

>>161922954
Not an argument
>>161922983
Maybe
>>161923081
That rarely happens and it only happens when the unit has no other choice, if they give up the ground, they lose advantage.

>>161923137
Isn't this guy supposed to have red hair?

>>161923192
>That rarely happens and it only happens when the unit has no other choice, if they give up the ground, they lose advantage.

It has happened enough. Them getting shot the fuck up is also losing the advantage 2bh.

>joey audibly kissing peter in the latest rally point
i guess shes taken lads....

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GENTLEMEN!

How do we fix the Chaos campaign?

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>>161923378
Ok

>>161923456
By uninstalling and playing CoW instead.

>>161923456
Expand the map northward so we can have some fucking permanent settlements.

>>161923456
Maybe split up norsca into more tribes or make them be allied to you. The latter can risk making the campaign be really short though.

The infighting doesn't add much so removing that wouldn't be a loss.

>>161923456
Realize you chimped out for a dead faction and gimped the gameplay

>>161923456
>Remove horde infighting
>Chaos rebels do not attack you
>Awakened tribes are vassals
>AI fixed so it can't see beyond the fog of war
>AI gets less bullshit PO bonus (encourage rebellions)
>Early event that lets the player pick between a sorcerer or an exhalted hero

>>161921829
How much do you get for shilling M2 instead? Sales have been rising since it went on steam

Am I the only one who is bugged by this.

In the start of any total war game, you start with a small fucking army or navy, like in medieval 2, as England, the intro says how you have amazing heavy cavalry and lots of mercenaries from the invasion, also, London was a big city by that time but you start the game with London only having buildings that a regular small town has also you start the game, you get a few units of Spearman, and I think 1 light cavalry unit. I want a total war where every faction starts with 2 or 3 full 20 stack armies ready to go, and developed cities.

So I've never played a Dwarf campaign. Can I get away with just sitting back and pecking away with missles/artillery till they charge me and my wall of dorfs runs them down?

>>161923673
Chaos infights just as much as if not more than greenskins.

>>161923737
I like starting small. I guess it makes for better gameplay or something.

Doesn't the Rome Total Realism mod go crazy like that though?

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So how good is Grimgor in game? I've nver done Greenskin campaign.

>>161922273
>Thrust with gravity.
Not really a factor when you can't put your weight behind the blow anyway

>Can poke over spears.
but not under shields so it's just the same as far as tactics go. Plus you have less strength in the wrist so your point is easier to deflect

>Better for defensive play.
How? Again, using just the wrist to move a lengthy spear is slow and tiring at best

>Can throw if you're badass.
That's a good point, but far from the ideal solution if you want to keep talking about shield walls, better leave that stuff to dedicated units

>Less cumbersome.
More tiring

>>161923880
Doesn't make for very enjoyable gameplay though. All fights against norsca represents it better kinda

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

>>161923880
After sarthorel gets defeated, infighting should be removed and all norsca tribes should automatically become your vassals
Also, make chaos corruption actually increase replenishment to a noticeable extent

>>161923880
except for when an Everchosen comes, like Archaon