/dsg/ - Demon/Dark Souls General

third for UMBASA

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Quick question.

For this build, should I go for blessed weapon, carthus rouge or human pine resin?

From what I understand, the weapon art doesn't gimp your buff so does that mean one successful weapon art would proc a bleed with Carthus Rouge?

Maybe even a pontiff ring?

>>161717932
>Psst... hey kid... wanna buy a skeleton or a Rolex?

>>161718072
I'd knock the 48 DEX down to 45 and put a point into luck and 2 into ATT. You could also take it all the way down to 40 and make your luck 15.

Higher luck means faster bleed buildup which you'll want if you use Carthus rouge and there are relatively few situations in which Carthus rouge is not the best thing you can do. I made a luck character recently and beat the dancer in like a minute because Anri's SS with 40 luck and Carthus rouge is crazy strong.

>Check if there is another thread up
>It's ACTUALLY this dead
Rip souls

>>161718928
Just a few more minutes and we'll be finally free

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vicar revival when

>>161718928
Clearly, we need something to argue about.

What's the objectively shittiest Souls game?

>>161719303
i dont know about the definitive shittiest, but ds1 is easily bottom 5

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>20 hours into my Artorias sword build
>I'm midway into my build and all of my stats are mediocre jack-of-all-trades

I'm going to have to go and get an elemental weapon, I can't even kill the snakemen with a +10 bastard sword riposte

>>161719401
No way, dude. DaS1 is definitely top 5.

>>161719403
>GSOA ever
>that Vit
>that starting class
>Fire infused shield for some reason
>no FAP ring
>20 Faith for some reason
>Bandit Knife infused with anything that isn't Lightning or Chaos
>51 poise
Oh shit nigger, what are you doing?

>>161719586

I'm trying to make a sorcerer's build that's a bit different.

GSOA has a B scaling with intelligence, and I don't like the MLGS.

Thief starting class keeps my overall level the lowest, since I plan to use primarily intelligence to boost my parameter damage.

>Fire infused shield for some reason

Fire-infused balder shield increases fire resistance

>no FAP ring

I need as much poise as possible

>20 Faith for some reason

GSOA needs 20 faith

>Bandit Knife infused with anything that isn't Lightning or Chaos

Good catch

>51 poise

I'm trying to get my poise as high as possible, while still looking presentable, since I hate getting stun-locked.

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Rate my PvP build /dsg/

Going for a dark caster.

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is morne greathammer viable?

>>161719814
The Balder Shield really isn't as good as it's hyped up to be. You're better off with the Heater Shield or even the Small Leather Shield. You also have more than enough poise for that Vit, 51 is for facetanking 1h Ultra weapons and you shouldn't really be getting hit by those anyway. I'd aim for 41 instead, that way you have more room for fashion. Try something like this instead: http://mmdks.com/8gmj

>>161719984
Clutch Rings are useless in PVP. Swap it out for an extra spell slot ring, so you can get Great Deep Soul. Also the Bellowing and Young Dragon Rings affect dark sorcery, so you need those two. It's probably not the best idea to infuse the Drakeblood GS with Dark when it already has 3 way split damage. Oh, and Deep Protection is shit in PVP as well.

>>161720483
For that End*

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>Invaded by /pol/ as ModerateMuslim
>He's using a fucking Astora straight sword instead of the sellsword twinblades or any of the Carthus swords
>He BCs out as soon as he realizes his offhand caestus can't parry my Astora greatsword

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>>161719167

>>161719814
nigga, just get an enchanted claymore or some shit. gsoa is for sl387 only. or at the very least, get the abyss gs with a couple of support spells

>>161718928
We have 3 options to save dsg from being ded like other generals

>Rename it /dsp/

>Rename it /r/dsg

>Get Jund to bring his army of followers to liven up the place

Removing Luci is also a bonus

>>161720032
It's a great hammer that isn't called the Great Club or Pickaxe so that's already a problem. Does less damage than the Great Club despite need greater stat investment, so that's another problem. Morne was "viable" before they patched out being able to spam WA's with only 1 FP. It's pretty shit overall, which is a pity considering how cool it looks.

>>161719984
>dark drakeblood
you ABSOLUTE MADMAN.
you could do this if you are hellbent on only dark damage https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/123103. otherwise, replace clutch for life+3 and make the sword chaos
drakeblood is bad for this build because your best scaling options are fire and dark, while it has lightning and magic. whatever you use, you're going to gimp yourself. unless you just want lmao all damages memes, in which case get ALL the clutch rings, infuse DBGS with deep/fire and healbuff it with charcoal/human pine

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>>161721002

>>161720483

>You also have more than enough poise for that Vit, 51 is for facetanking 1h Ultra weapons and you shouldn't really be getting hit by those anyway.

Ultra weapons are pretty popular weapons in pvp.

>>161721953
That's not the point though. They're easy to dodge and most people use them 2H anyway, so going for 51 poise is useless.

>>161718072

>he fell for the SL120 meme

I don't understand it, why would you do this shit for Ricard's Rapier?

Drop Dex to 40, Sharp infuse your weapon and ignore Str. Voilà, almost the exact same build with 40 (FOURTY) less levels.

dead game
dead general

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>tfw you're forced to delete a character

Why is there an arbitrary limit anyway?

>>161723008
It's ok, anon. You get over it pretty quickly. I got snagged in the banwave and drunkenly deleted 640 hours of characters only to find out that it was a phantom banwave and literally everyone was unbanned.

Whips really caught a nerf in DS3. In DS1 you could do a weak attack or parry in the left hand and in DS2 you could do a weak attack or a strong attack outside of powerstance, both of those are good setups. In DS3 there's no paired whip and you have a block and a strong attack in the left hand which is next to useless and whips can't even crit in DS3. The same thing happened to katanas, left-hand parry + weak attack in DS1 turned into a full moveset (again, outside of powerstance) in DS2 and then DS3 downgraded to a weak attack and a block which also seems to be what most straight swords and several curved swords have. In case you're wondering, straight swords in the left hand got a full moveset in DS2. Also, lots of builds can no longer buff their infused weapons. Meanwhile luckfags can throw Carthus rouge on a hollow CCS and shit on everything while getting extra benefits from the side effects of the 5 free levels you get from Yoel and refinedfags can use resins to add to their already outstanding damage.

I can't help but think that DS3 lacks the build variety that DS2 had because of these issues. There's more, like the lack of powerstance in general, but IMO DS3's main issues are lack of left-hand movesets and the inability for my Simple character to buff his shitty simple falchion like everyone else can.

>>161723008
>why is there an arbitrary limit
Probably so people'd make use of respecs and commit to a character, doing NG+ runs and so on.

What pains me in DS3 is that they have the systems to make NG+ Black Phantom enemies but just chose to not do anything for NG+ which leads to the most uninteresting NG+ in the series.

I'm one of the people who actually loves the content in DS3, it's just badly organized imo.

>>161723184

But why? I take it they just want people to play as much/long as possible, but why would they care if that's on NG or NG+? Why would they care if it's with an existing or a new character? There's nothing interesting in NG+ anyway.

All my characters are themed/cosplay anyway. I can't have the one that uses a greathammer change into claws for a NG+ run.

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>>161720032

>>161723054
nah, only cheaters

>>161724764
>only cheaters were unbanned

>>161725002
Nah, everyone. They realized too many people cheated and the bluff asking people to stop cheating didn't work at all.

>>161724764
>>161725101
>/dsg/ in charge of reading comprehension

>>161725176
whatever

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdZ0H4OnbOU

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>>161722918

Better?

336 feels a little low, even for SL 85 PvP(Which would probably mainly be invasions) I guess I'll definitely have to go for rouge.

>>161719167
The new one is shit because it'll keep randomizing areas and SLs and it has no naming convention so there'll be no salt to harvest

>>161725327
>glowing yellow hair
won't even bother
a mark of a certified cheating faggot as far as consoles go

Anyone have a link for that site that calculates poise needed to tank specific hits?

>>161725327
>Yet another *teleports behind u* """pvp""" montage
Just like all the other million of das1 videos.

>>161725540

It has some amazing footage.

Struggle immensely with friede
Manage to trap her in a corner during her 3rd phase and chain stun her for 70% of her health before also getting a backstab in and winning

How anticlimactic

>>161725595
not really, all backstabs and flips look the same

>>161723092
Hollow builds are shit though

>>161725595
I only watched the start, but I haven't seen any harder chainstab tech

Also baguette

>>161725329

A bit.

What is the 19 Luck for?

And why Carthus Rouge and Pontiff's Right Eye? Will you just be spamming the weapon art? It could maybe work, but keep in mind that the modifiers on that attack are different, you are not applying as much bleed per hit in the WA than you would with a regular R1.

And yes, 336 is quite low, but that's not the point. You're going to have to compare your build to those at a similar level. 336 AR at SL80 is going to work much better than 376 AR at SL120 becuase your opponents gain much more damage and value out of those 40 extra stats.

was bow moveswap patched out of ds1?
thinking to return for some greatclub rapier pokes fun

>>161725912

It wasn't, that's still a speedrun thing.

I want a stat build where I can make use of onyx friedes and quills? Atleast 2 of them? Friede> onyx > quills are my preferences

>>161725831
Ah, woops. The right eye ring is a relic from the blessed weapon version I had checked earlier. The luck is for getting the carthus up a bit, or am I mistaken in that it doesn't really work that way?

>>161726031

Trust me, it won't work with such a low amount and on a weapon with no innate Bleed.

>>161725971

40 Dex, 40 Int, 40 Fai, 30 End, 35 Vig.

Good luck.

>invade this morning, literally around 8:30 AM EST
>finally find this guy after searching for a minute
>oh wait no that's his phantom wearing untrue dark ring
>blue warps in
>all 3 of them start ganking me
>nope.gif
>run off into the crux woods trying to find mobs to give me cover, seems like they already cleared out a lot of them, getting run down by straight swords while I try to turn-and-burn with limited stamina, eventually find 1 crab is still alive and seek cover behind him
>watchdog invades, oh cool some backup
>watchdog fucking attacks ME, literal 1v4 at SL35 +4 ffs
>okay fuck this I'm out, give a couple of clap emotes and then just book it out of there up the big hill towards the halfway fortress bonfire, thank god for obscuring ring, fuck the watchdog he can fend for himself
>only the blue chases after me all the way up the hill
>fuck his shit up and kill him, he gets penetrated in a gangbang from 3 tree trunk dick bros in the end, I clap for him
>watch as the watchdog manages to kill the host by getting him low and then the crab clips him, they both die, win the invasion

Love this shit. Invasions are the fucking best.

Thanks for reading my blog make sure to like and subscribe and updoot or whatever the kids do these days.

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>Trying out Faith Caster (Crossbow, Rose of Ariandel, miracles)

>Got meme'd on at first
>Get less meme'd on, but still pretty hard.

How do I get good with Faith? It fucking sucks to die to some shitter who would die to anything else?

Set up is Stake, Emit Force, Tears

Anything else?

Why was DaS3 disappointingly easy?

>>161726629
iono ask your mom why is she so easy

>>161726629
Why was DaS3 disappointing

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Anybody wanna free boss kill?

I'm about to take out Vordt on a fresh character on PC. Shortcut from High Wall bonfire is unlocked.

Put your sign there, Pass: dsg

I'll look for signs in about 5 minutes.

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Proud sons and daughters of unded settlement! Are you ready to protect our homeland from dirty invaders? What will you do when mad spirit invade to my home and rape me?

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>>161726369
>Watchdoggo atacking red
He deserves to be cursed. Bringing shame to the sleepy doggo.

>>161726798
Cheeki Breeki. If I had a full worker's set I'd roleplay with you.

>>161726764
up the elevator or down?

>>161726675
Because From doesn't know how to sequel
It's funny that they gave us a game worse than 2 and they don't have the b team excuse anymore

>>161726629
Because you've played every Soulsborne game up to this point. That said, some people theorized that Bamco forced From to decrease the hp of bosses which may make sense because some bosses feel like they go down really fast.

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Beyond the fact one running washingpole user will absolutely ruin me,

How is this for a Bowman build?

Plan would be, of course, to just pepper people with moonlight arrows and guardbreak anyone who tries to shield themself.

It's a challenge on myself, I admit, but I still want ways of making this viable.

>>161726912
Just put it by the first high wall bonfire, I'm warping there now.

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>>161726857
I can give it to you.

>>161726949
I only played DaS2 before das3.

>>161727014
well its down, i assume you summoned somebody else

>>161726813
NO SYMPATHY AMONG INVADERS

>>161727178
No don't worry, I'm almost ready. Something came up.

Give me like 2 minutes and we're go.

>>161726629

Because of Bloodborne.

DaS3 was a cakewalk after beating BB + TOH on NG+2.

>>161726629
Need to make sales, needs to be accessible. From sold out

>>161727307
Base bb is a joke, and only difficulty from toh was ook but that could have been the fact I waS bl90 in ng+3 for my first run through it

>>161726923
DeS still the best

>>161726949
Vordt has more HP than both the Taurus and Capra demons, and only very slightly less than both Gargoyles combined.

>>161726813
>>161727230

Got no respect for these forest dudes.

Yeeeah. My PC is pretty obsolete right now, can't barely run DS1 and DS2 in certain zones. (Q_Q)

Now that I have a Xbox One at home, I was kind of tempted to get DS3.. should I?

>>161727575
Fuck off right back to >>>/v/

Souls then:bosses were unique encounters with unique mechanics sometimes even puzzles that needed to be solved

Souls now: angry humanoid warrior with no intricate mechanics just r1 to death

>>161727610
Hey hold your horses.
I mostly seeking to know where to go, on PC even if it's somewhat playable, there's not much people around for questing besides PvP.

>>161727575
I'm on Xbone we can be friends and touch wieners

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Am I SushiRainbow yet?

>fight a dude in the arena who does nothing but roll away and spam pyromancies in the hopes that you'll eventually grow tired of his bullshit and start making the classic "trade with dark combustion" mistake
>do nothing but dodge his shit and throw throwing knives at him out of boredom
>actually whittling him down but not even aiming to kill him at this point, 30s left on the clock and he's at 50% HP
>he runs off and heals up with a miracle
>time runs out
>he points down
Why do these people play like that? How is it fun to time out everyone

>>161727681
Kek I guess that works like a charm.
+2 charisma you have thurr

>japanese players so upset at the use of the point down emote they requested soulless to be banned
I really need to start using that emote.

>>161726359
Cool beans senpai, will try

>>161727756
who

>>161727756

literally who

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>>161727178
Thanks friend!

It is ridiculous how fast Deep Battle Axe +1 and Warcry takes out Vordt.

Because he glitched and did his fury howling twice he literally died before the second boss soundtrack could even come on. 2 bars of my stamina vs half of his HP lmao.

This is like my 4th playthrough so I can justify cheesing the early bosses.

>>161727847

It was a joke, since that'll get you to like SL140+. That's no build.

>>161727918
sorry about the mad phantom, the dude was sliding plus im awful at pvp

Everytime I see a das3 screen or video it makes me want to play but when I load the game abd play for 1-2 minutes I remember how bad it is and get sad and then it off

>>161728008
subbed

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>>161725940
excellent

>>161727284
some people know how to do it, some people don't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuCLGRN6GFQ

>>161727761
rank icons were a mistake

>>161727879
>>161727857

pillar of the community: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50jqqsOxIoE

Anyone seen this fucking nigger Sniper Xeros in the arenas on PC?

How the fuck is he reloading his crossbow without doing the animation?

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Guys, why is the meta 120? Like why can't we powerlevel into sayian gods?

>>161728312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAEkuNP1RbA&t=481s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41gncH6B5o&t=424s

>>161728320
MASTER RACE
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WHERE IS MY FLAYUL, ELFRIEDE!

I make post

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>>161728130
>why isn't he hurting me?

DeS>DaS>DaS 2>BB>DaS 3

>>161727558

get off it dude

Anybody have a ds3 roll chart? wanna roll a new character but want something different.

>>161728674
cant say for DaS2 cause it's the only one I haven't beat but
DeS>DaS>BB>DaS3

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>>161728742

>>161728431
Because 120 already is that.

>>161728320
>female

Anyone on Bloodborne (PS4) fancy giving me a hand with Shadow of Yharnam? Level 46 (if that matters with a password). Let me know and I'll post password.

>>161728809
ayy my nigga also roll

>>161728809
Roll

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>>161728830
I call bullshit, 120 is hardly getting into the good stats, I want to start a covenant that the only requirement is to be SL 300, and call it the Spartans

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>>161728476

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ded game bad game

>>161728303
literally who

>tfw no paired repeating crossbows

>doing arena at 98 on a str/faith build with vordt's greathammer
>still win roughly 4 out of 5 matches
I'm so confused, it's not like I'm that good a player

>>161729120
greathammers are good against retards and pve players

>>161729120
Great weapons are actually useful in the arena since you can't just recoup the hp you lose in trading infinitely like in invasions.

>>161729204
You can't mean to tell me that 80% of the meta level players in the arena are that terrible though

>skorbrand losing to the same mage he did last tourney
>despite having an offhand arbalest
lmfao

I love the Curse Rotted Greatwood.

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>>161729405
if you faggots stopped dickriding shitty youtube celebrities and understood that their "tier lists" only matter for a select group of like 100 FGC rejects you would find that you can beat vast majority of players with anything

What's a good method to catch those sideways-just-out-of-reach sprinting fucks? Throwing knives are too hard to aim at them for the little damage they do.

I basically want to force them to fight normally or take damage because it's infuriating when they do that shit and expect you to play into their game.

>>161728961
120 can have 40 vig, end, str and dex. That's pretty as good as those stat can get. Spartans need no gay magic shit.

>>161729405
>meta level
You are lower than the meta level at 98

>>161729714
98 can connect to 120 though

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>>161728320

God bless this man (female), whoever it is.

>>161728961
You probably think SL 300 would be like
>wow this is awesome all these build varities! Miracle casting strength builds are so viable now!
>check it out! A pyro/greatbow build!

But it'll actually be
>99 vigor
>40 faith/int for the best possible weapon enchant on your quality hollow weapon
>exact same thing as SL120 except with more people enchanting their weapons, more damage and more HP

>>161729795

Still looking for this video.

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>>161729120

Pro-tip: almost every weapon in the game, including greathammers ar viable in the arena because the vast majority of players is trash.

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I swear, this is the most impressive and useful thing we've ever discovered.

Plz From no patch.

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fun times

>Invade
>It's some faggot with 3 phantoms
>Reach for my black separation crystal
>Can't even use it before I get attacked by all of them simultaneously
>Roll off a ledge and die
why

>>161730508
my world? my rules :)

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>>161730443

Here you go familie, delete that trash GIF and save this instead.

>>161730265

wtf is this sorcery???

>>161729120
>>161730230

This is why I do literally nothing but invasions in this game now. Infinitely more satisfying, too.

I just wish they'd remove the giant seed from the game, that's literally the one single thing I want. I just invade at SL60 +6 and below now though so it's not a big deal since I actually almost never see them here, but still. I'll take on a 1v4 as long as I can use mobs to my advantage, no problem.

>>161730230
That doesn't mean they're not leagues below top tier weapons.

A good player with a gargoyle spear will kill a good player with a greathammer 100% of the time. A bad player with a gargoyle spear will get shat on.

What I'm surprised about is that there are so few decent players in the arena. It was a lot different in DS2. Atleast the people who stuck to the cancer meta in DS2 had an ounce of skill usually.

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>>161730647
>censoring the invader's name
Anyway, nice gif.

>>161729615
I agree, spartans should rely on their str/dex with maybe a few Fai for healing.

>>161728809
Roll

>>161730451

What the fuck is this? Moveset swap giant club into estoc?

Can you still do this in DS3 too, or no? I don't want to get banned and/or use CE.

I recently realized why I am so frustrated with non-human enemies (meaning everything but the NPC invaders really) in DS3 on my strength playthrough.

You hit them once. They stagger. You hit them a second time. They stagger. You are about to hit them a third time...
They gain infinite poise and hyperarmor while doing nothing simply to prevent you from hitting the guy 3 times instead of just twice.

It's most consistently that way when killing darkwraith enemies, like the actual skelly guys that drop the dark sword. They'll always inexplicably not be stunned by your third hit. Never.

I'm not complaining about it in the sense that it's unfair, because once you know this, it becomes insanely easy to avoid, I'm complaining because it's entirely arbitrary and inconsistent with how staggers work.

>>161731017
it's a bow swap, yes
dunno about ds3 moveset swaps but pretty sure as long as it's just a glitching and not ce you're safe

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>>161731049
>It's most consistently that way when killing darkwraith enemies, like the actual skelly guys that drop the dark sword

Well that's because they have actual poise and if they get into the Abyss Watchers bossroom through the fog they can apparently solo the first phase of the boss themselves because they can stunlock the Abyss Watchers but not the other way around.

Someone should record this shit.

How does a str/faith build looks like ? No damage miracles tho, only utility

Why don't more weapons in DS3 have cool r1 movesets like the Corvian Greatknife (starts with a stab, but then does vertical slashes) or the Hollowslayer Greatsword (does all kinds of directions on R1)?

Are there any other weapons with R1 (or R2, really) with non-standard repeating-the-same-two-attacks movesets?

>>161731131

How do you moveset swap in DS3? I want to turn my LK long spear into an estoc.

>>161731291
Read properly. One hit with a greathammer poise breaks them. Second hit keeps them stunned, as expected. Third hit they magically ignore you and don't get staggered.

>>161731404
Because DS3 is a dark souls game and more intricate R1 strings are a bloodborne thing and not DS thing.
Also almost all paired weapons are like that on L1s or sometimes even on r1 like Valorheart.

>2nd invader anywhere
>they let you duel hosts

Off yourself if you do that. Even attacking other invaders is okay compaed to this

>>161731587
If you get bitchslapped once you're likely going to be surprised and stupefied

Second time is gonna repeat the process because wtf is going on

Third time is like, eh, I know it's coming I'm fine

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>tfw you face a 1v2 as an invader and you kill the host's phantom and all of a sudden it's just you and him

have we got any information on the stuff FROM is cooking up?

other than:
one is a AC, one is souls but not souls, one is ~something new~

>>161731676
I want honest fights, if I see host and invader fight I'll watch, if one of them heals I'll kill that guy, I'll also always attack all trespassers not in combat, blues reds purples phantoms and hosts alike

>>161731676

I literally just run away when this happens. Once the other invader finally starts engaging the host I just stand back and shoot crossbow bolts at him and throw bombs until one of them dies.

Obscuring ring is my ringfu. Honestly I really need to get the millwood greatbow already.

>>161731727
I wish they just did a little dodge animation or something.

Appreciate the effort at explaining the inconsistency though

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>>161731676
second invader usually only gets in a way

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>>161731834
>muh fair pee vuh pee
kill yourself, honorcuck

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>>161731834
>invader
>I want honest fights

unironically kys

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>>161731559

R1 and then quickly hard swap your weapon and R1 again. It also works with weapon arts. It's not nearly as good as it is in DaS.

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>>161731840
>Honestly I really need to get the millwood greatbow already.
Yes. Yes, you do.

>>161731946
>>161731973
I already have all the covenant rewards what other reason to PvP than beat people do I have, ganging is for niggers

>>161732014
i'm baffled that they can't patch in a good weapon art for farron gs
unique stance would be a godsend

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>>161732093
THEN PLAY THE ARENA YOU HONORKEK

>>161732093

To grief hosts and their phantoms, jesus nigga wtf are you doin? Go back to the arena you little faggot.

>I already have all the covenant rewards what other reason to PvP than beat people do I have

Oh my fucking god...

>>161731604
I don't understand why the game has to limit itself based on it not having the correct name.

It's a pretty objective improvement, isn't it?

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Any reasons to use any other greatbow than the millwood one ?

>>161732230
>to grief host and phantom

I do that by parrying and slowclapping while they're stunned and shooting them off the map, I don't need some garbage red to help me>>161732265

>>161732093
There's a RSS and arena for faggots like you.

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>>161732265
>I don't understand why the game has to limit itself based on it not having the correct name.
Because of the retarded fanbase that would scream "IT'S NOT A SOULS GAME" otherwise.
Well, they already scream, could've gone all the way though.

DS3 has a good true combo system so more intricate movesets from BB would be godsend for it.

Meanwhile BB is stuck with not having any true combos at all so its intricate movesets are simply not needed.

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>>161732492
>crow quills true combos
>r1-r1
>r1-backstep r1
>r1-l1
>wdl1-r1
>wdl1-backstep r1
>wdl1-l1
Am i forgetting something?
And there's also roll catches like r1r1l1

>>161732281

Not really.

>>161732467
No no no that's boring, I want to invade so that I can ruin the time for others, but I want to be the one to do it, I'll kill all other invaders, if the host has phantoms that's great, if they haven't killed the ring of favor doggies that's even better

>tfw restarted my first run of Ds3 because I picked up two storm rulers only to find out I can't drop the extra copy

This is autism, right?

>>161732265
I know this isn't what most people would agree on, but I prefer soul's systems with weaker moveset pieces but more overall ways to combie them.

Each individual BB weapon, save for a few exceptions, is superior to DaS's weapons. But I can't use them every way I want. I can't dual wield, 2 hand or left hand weapons that aren't naturally like that. I can't use right hand guns except for some weapons that come with them and so on.

While souls's movesets are kind of disappointing, if BB was like it, you'd be allowed to dual wield machine guns

>>161732814
>No no no that's boring
>lets duels happen

You're the boring guy.
Attack the other invader if you want to piss them off, but if you actually would find a FC or duel and only watch it, you're not an invader

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>>161732014

I tried it but it only seems to work for literally just 1 attack, I don't get it. I need a permanent move swap for it to be usable at all.

Am I doing it wrong or what's the deal?

>>161732939
>soul's systems with weaker moveset pieces but more overall ways to combie them
It's more of a system unique to DS3, really. DS1 had few examples like claymore combos but utterly fucked up things with infinites and DS2 nerfed all combos into oblivion in first months after release.
Hopefully in their new title they manage combine complex movesets with a high amount of true combos.

>>161732939
>but more overall ways to combie them.
They kind of got rid of that more and more with each new souls game though.

I generally agree, but you fail to find things like greatsword combos in DS3.

>>161733070
DS3 has weapon art combos. Overall it has more combos than any other souls game save for early DS2 but they got rid of all good stuff like 4-hit greatsword combos.

>>161733196
Weapon art combos feel like an artificial, cheap way of handling it.
I understand that's fully subjective but I preferred the old "system" (it was more of an accident really) where you could string together attacks depending on weapon.

I also didn't actually mind infinite stunlocks. It was mostly unique to strength weapons, which gave those slow ass weapons some merit and made poise actually important.

>>161728303
hahaha xD what a great video epic trolls

>>161733056
>>161733070
Yeah, I'm not talking of 3 specifically, but the first time playing BB, I was really confused why I couldn't left hand trick weapons and it still disappoints me. 2's system was broken and hard to balance but, while I didn't like powerstance, there are still more things that should've been done with it and I wanted to have been carried over to BB

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>warcry overwrite weapon buff

>>161733589
>blades of mercy will never be able to true combo into l2 backstep as a combo finisher or have anything more viable than dash r1
>rakuyo has a shitload of variable moves depending on how you chain attacks together but it plain doesn't works because there's no actual stunlocking so it boils down to L2 spam machine
>MLGS has blast as an un-trick attack but you can't really use it that much because it cannot be true combo'd from R1s

>>161733756
warcry is better than any other buffs though

>>161732492
>mash buttons to do HIGH DAMAGE TRUE combo for the wins
That's a disgusting way of thinking to be honest. Movesets in dark souls should be for actually hitting people by getting them offguard, and not just pressing a sequence of buttons to do big damage.

any chance of dlc 2 announcement on ps experience?

>>161733047

If you time it right it will keep doing the moveswapped R1 over and over.

>>161733772
So basically you want to do flashy stuff without feeling any reward for it. Those attacks can be made to be useful from the start instead of bogging them down to "hit someone with r1 and do big damage with the follow up lol look how cool you look!"

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>>161733756

>Warcry on the Great Club makes you lose the overpowered R2

>>161733925
Except many moves are plain outclassed by others in every game, BB included. When a weapon has a highly useful R2, it's an excepion, not a rule.

>>161733925
Combos are a staple in any good action-rpg. Without them combat system boils down to a simple spam of one most powerful attack. Really glad From saw a good way to do things and we will most likely see more true combos and combo starters in next games.

>>161734034

Can you show me by making a webm?

If I can see it done successfully and it sticks I'll actually practice it. Honestly I'll probably practice it all day today anyways trying to get it but it would help a lot if I saw it done successfully and permanently in DaS3 so I knew it at least worked not just for a single R1.

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>>161734218

Not my webm but this is how it's done.

>>161734170
>>161734195
Now I agree with you about the powerful attack spam, but I don't like that you say the rest of the moveset should be just something you "combo into" with no way of escaping, that just looks flashy and does high damage. It's fake and braindead, like r1 into spin slash with halberds as the example of what I'm specifically talking about. I think they should make the other attacks useful. Roll catching, and stuff.

>>161734474

Thanks famalam. Does it only work on the first R1, is that the trick? You can't r1r1r1r1r1, you have to just use staggered R1's from that point forward?

>>161726923
>It's funny that they gave us a game worse than 2
t. pvpfag

>>161734598

Yes, it only works with the first R1. Then just move forward a bit and R1 again.

>>161734640
I'm pvpfag as well and i like 3 way more than 2.
Only shitty duelfaggots maybe can prefer 2 to 3 but they are an irrelevant, small group of autists.

>>161728431
If it's like ds1, your character don't really gets any stronger after 120. a lvl 100 could defeat a 700 easily in ds1.

>>161734484
It's impossible to make all attacks good. Some will always end up being way too situational, some are plain too slow. True combo system gives them a purpose nothing else would.

>>161734841
A good SL200 in DS1 is extremely powerful compared to 120. I'm talking about 2600 HP monsters flipping with enormous poise and 500 defenses.

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>invading post Irithyl at +6 lvl 55 with the Milwood Greatbow and Yhorms Machete

Goddamn this is the most fun ive ever had with this game

My friend has just started playing Dark Souls: Prepare to Die edition on PC. He's saying that there's literally NO messages left anywhere. I told him it's probably because it's a 5 year old game and nobody's playing it anymore.

Does this sound like a reasonable assumption?

>>161735136
No, it's because Steamworks sucks at connecting players. He needs DSCM for it to work properly.

>>161734484
No, but take r2s for instance. Most of them don't combo into r1s or the second r2 is impossible to land in 3. This makes them worse options almost always. If you could r2r1 it'd at least make some of them usable.
There are even some true combos no one pulls off because how hard they are to land, like carthus r2WA, but they should still exist.

It's just that, even in BB, not every weapon can be a rakuyo/saif where there are a lot of moves you can find use for, but if there is a way to setup these moves even into non true combos, like sabre r1-WA which isn't a true combo but hard to dodge, they'd be improved a lot

>>161734686

idk man I tried it even with staggered R1's and it's just not working for me besides the first R1, did they patch it out or something? how old is that webm?

>>161730647
saw it coming but liked it anyway

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>Ludwig awakening his human side and picking up MLGS
>Ariandel reviving Friede and Friede going full edgelord mode trying to finish you off
So what powerful mid-boss transition Miyazaki has in store for DLC 2?

>>161735136
tell him to opt out beta on steam, if he is using.
i don't use dscm and i see messages and summon signs everywhere.

>>161734927
As long as it's moderated, but I still don't like that it's mashing buttons in sequence for stupid high damage. It can be cool, but I don't want no fighting game combos that are bogged down because of the mobility style in this game.

Also as long as the attacks are made to be useful I don't see the issue with not having your so special true combos. Relying on true combos for the combat is better than only backstabs or stunlocking for finishing people off I suppose.

>>161735295
As long as it's not

r1->wa->r2->r1 with no way of escaping for 1600 damage

it's fine by me.

how many fun invasion builds were there in 1? I can think of some memes on the archer bridge, twinks (hard to call a build), cosplays, and outside of that it was never anything special or specifically oriented towards invading.

>>161735598

Just tested it, it still works. Kinda tricky to do, you just have to find the rhythm.

>>161735136
Tons of people are playing the game. If I fire it up, I can go to almost any area and get guaranteed invasions

>>161735705
>>161735264
He installed DSCM and says he's seeing online ghosts and shit now. Cheers fellas!

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>>161734841
But a comfy 300 could be the new meta imo, think about it, just enough of this, and just enough of that to make something nice.

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>>161735912
the wall
greatbow builds or golem axe builds for any area that has pits, especially catacombs
low-level poison griefers
maybe chameleon dickass thieves but those suck compared to DS3 ones
that's all basically, most of the fun during ds1 invasions was from the fact how impossibly you are overpowered compared to your opponents

>>161735038
there's no reason to level up a stat over lvl 50 in dks, because the benefits are too low.

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>>161735913

Seems like it only works as long as you're holding forward and doing staggered R1's, once you stop doing this even once it goes back to the old moveset.

Unless there's something I'm not getting here it seems pretty useless, I'd need a way to make it legit permanent. Even with just staggered R1's if it was permanent (at least for as long as an invasion lasted) it would be usable.

If you've got a webm that has it working beyond what I show here then I'd love to see it.

>>161736253
I grouped the wall and greatbow builds under "things to do at AL archers," but forgot about golem axe and poison

I know doing things like throwing a caestus on a cosplay is usually faux-pas, but is having a faster roll than who you're cosplaying considered okay?

>Match lags a bit at the beginning
>Opponent immediately just starts clapping
>Give them a few chances to roll away and see that the connection is fine again
>Still keeps clapping
>Kill them

This has been happening a lot, these people take the PVP arena too goddamn seriously.

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>lothric castle literally sits on the base of the same tree that housed the first flame originally and where you fight soul of cinder before kindling the first flame again
>it's also the reason why high wall got so fucked up when space shenanigans started

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>>161735912
>I can think of some memes on the archer bridge
The archer bridge is a shit place to invade because hosts don't often turn human for that shit and if they see you gunning for the archer position they'll often either pull the plug or just never engage you.

Invading Sen's with a greatbow is much more fun because people often go human just for Tarkus and the area overall is great for greatbows, not just the roofs.

You have 10 seconds to explain your reasoning behind STILL PLAYING DARK SOULS 3

>>161735669
>final dlc boss is chosen undead
>he revives once for each character you beat das1 with with their build

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>>161736702
sens roof has always been my favorite place to invade

best framerate, best scenery, best level design that you can use to your advantage

>>161736253
>>161735912
I liked the chaneller trident/stone GS and follow host around spamming them

>>161736723

Didn't play it in over a week, I just browse dsg out of a bad habit

>>161736794
Soul of Cinder already has a similar gimmick, though

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>>161736589
>I know doing things like throwing a caestus on a cosplay is usually faux-pas
The only reason for that is because it looks shit on most cosplays. DS3 should just have barehanded parrying like the other games.

>is having a faster roll than who you're cosplaying considered okay
Well fuck yes, especially in DS3 where fatrolling is a death sentence.

>>161736808
>watchdog
single handedly ruined DaS pvp for me
I remember working hard to get Xanthous set, firestorm fire whip and the red eye orbs from the dark wraith covenent, +15 whip while still being SL10-20 and everytime I invaded the burg I got sent home by every one i invaded for an entire evening

i looked up online and it was because hosts that use watchdog can be send home any invader whenever

>>161736723
I'm cursed

>>161736991
>twinking is okay if it's a cosplay

>>161736991
that isn't true unless it was changed, you could only send home phantoms that had incorrect stats.

you probably messed up on your build by one or two points and it flagged you as cheating for it.

>>161736723

Playing through the game with a weapon from each different weapon class every run.

SL25, SL35, SL50, SL80 invading. SL125 Arena.

Does anyone know if the arena medals are character specific or not?

>>161736723
Pure mage PvP at SL 99 is the most fun shit in the series.

>>161737142
>messed up your build is cheating
What?
I hope you not assuming I used CE or whatever. I spend the latter half of two days to get all my shit legit.

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I want to be the 3rd exile, how does this look?

>>161737329
Also is it worth getting iron flesh in on this too? I mean I've already embraced fat rolling.

>>161737203
They are.

>>161737309
i assumed you used CE because 100% of the remaining DaS playerbase uses it to make builds

dunno then, but im pretty sure watchdog doesn't let you send a phantom home unless it thinks they are cheating

are you sure they weren't just pulling the plug?

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>>161737279
You're this guy?

PSE in minutes. Get ready for new From game

>>161737329

Looks good except for
>Knight

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>>161736976
I'm actually making a ds1 cosplay. I get the feeling ninjaflips are probably a bit too far but I'm really not feeling the midroll/fatrolls all the NPC's have. Not sure how where to trim stats. I went with the target shield since it looks color-coordinated with the estoc, and since the parrying dagger is just a placeholder thing they throw on npc's anyway. Might just go barehanded though. I could have used the knight class and had only 10 attunement, but I'd be spending more on other stats like int so I went for backup SLB.

>>161737787

I use knight for all of my characters since it can most easily use every weapon. I don't think changing to something like warrior would make that much of a difference, and having a few more ATT points isn't that big of a deal to me since I use the ember healglitch all the time.

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>>161737756
KFV or reboot

please god

PLEASE GOD

>>161737514
This was 2 years ago dude.

>>161738017
definitely was on your end then, watchdog 100% did not let you kick non cheaters back then

either they pulled the plug, you have a third world tier connection that drops you, or you are cheating

>>161737998
assuming you don't need the luck, you're saving 4 luck, gaining 4 vit, gaining 4 att, and gaining 1 int. Assuming you need the 4 vit OR the 4 att, and don't mind the one int for GFS or something, and don't benefit from the luck anyway, then it's okay to use.

>>161738142
Either everyone i encountered was a plug puller or the software false flagged people, and I looked up online about and found a decent amount of results about it false flagging.

I'm going to assume the latter.
Killed and ruined my DaS experience, I'm bitter about it but I moved on for the most part. I was just expressing my disdain for it. Being called a cheater when I didn't have CE installed then everytime I asked about it was annoying then and it's annoying now.

>>161737998

Only leveling Vig, End & Str makes Warrior 8 levels/stats better off than Knight. When you include Vit Warrior is still 4 levels ahead. Pretty significant if you ask me.

If you include Att as well they're completely even, but then you're leveling 5 stats at SL36 which is not really optimal.

>>161738515
well, its not widespread or anything.

you just got unlucky.

>>161737864
If you're darkmoon invading you don't need to trim your stats so much, level 85 can invade level 18, and 95 can invade 26.

Is Ornstein a furry?

Could some friendly anon do me a huge favor and drop me the end game twink rings for my SL35 invader? Any souls/embers/siegbraus you've got would also be greatly appreciated, but I mostly just need the rings.

I'll be at high wall with password dsgrings on PC if anyone is available and could just drop stuff for me then revert to their backup save.

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>>161738921
Closet furry

How do I use magic and shit? I've only played dark souls 3 and only for a week and I wanna do int/dex for a friede scythe but I feel like going into int just for that weapon sorta cucks me, so throwing in some useful spell would be nice, so uh, what's a good spell and how do I even use them

>>161738965
Literally just CE you PC faggot.

>>161737864
http://mmdks.com/8gn2 for invading anal rodeo. invades down to 50 and you can keep it for oolacile duelfaggotry.

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>>161739149
Damn son

>>161739149
Farron flashsword and great farron dart are decent pvp spells, plus you should have a nuke like crystal soul spear of some sort. Great heavy soul arrow is considered FP efficient. Crystal soulmass can bother some people. Ultimately I think the first two spells are the only really good ones in solo duels, particularly the dart. Crystal magic weapon isn't too bad either.

>>161739354
Thanks amigo

>>161728809
roll

Emerald Herald > [Bonfire] > Firekeeper Irina > Doll > Maiden in Black > Firekeeper

>>161739272
I don't use CE and don't want to fuck it up and get myself banned.

Please help, someone.

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Memes and shitposting aside, what is YOUR favorite Souls game? Just type out how you feel and ignore everyone else opinions. Just type out your favorite as if you would explain to your real life friends and not /dsg/

>>161739149
Flashsword for general damage (4 FUCKING FP PER CAST) Carry some kind of fast casting long ranged spell like deep soul, great soul arrow or farron dart, and a slow casting high damage spell like great heavy soul arrow or crystal soul spear. GHSA only does about 150 less damage than CSS for 1/4 the FP cost, but CSS pierces multiple targets/multiple layers of the larger enemies (You can hit Nameless King's first phase for 5k damage before he even begins his first attack if you fire 2 well placed CSS). Soul Greatsword is good for taking out large groups like the peasant packs, dogs, rats etc.

>>161739520
though bear in mind that only the magic part of the scythe actually gains from the int scaling, so it's probably not worth it to use magic in the first place unless you just went to 18 for snap freeze for the ice thematic. It isn't very good, but you can cast it from the area detonation attack on freides scythe to be safer.

>when you try to build a hyper RTSR/Dusk cursed Sanctus shield build but accidentally equip Fap ring
fuck, i dont want to break it

>>161740035
3 because it's the best souls game for running a pure sorcery build.

>>161740035
3. Smooth, deliberate and intuitive, with a diverse amount of top level weapon types and some good areas.

>>161740035
demon's souls because it's the most fun to replay and it's got the best atmosphere

>>161728809
JUST

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I tried to fly again, still can't go up and down, ree

>>161740035
Dark Souls 1 because of the way the game world works and allows me to experience autism roleplay at it's finest.

>>161740035
I can't decide which one is my favorite one.
I like the first 3 games (DeS DaS DaS2) more than I like the last 2 games (BB, DS3)
DS3 would be my least favorite, but for my most favorite I simply can't decide. I'll say Demons Souls is my favorite, but it leads by just a small margin that it wouldn't be wrong to say its tied with DaS/DaS2 for me.

>>161738965

a-anyone...?

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>>161740529
Are you playing as a dragon?

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>>161740917

>>161738993
that had better be a she-dragon
Why am I not bothered by technically-bestiality but totally unwilling to do gay things? Why to limitations of interest suck so much? I wish I was willing to fuck anything.

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>>161740035
des because of the feeling it has, the npcs, the story. on the other souls games it's like ''you are alone and fucked, everything is fucked, now find out what the fuck to do''
You are never alone in des, and i never got lost in des either.
plus you feel like a hero(or villain) and not a random guy, your character is not locked in boletaria, he went there at his own will.

>>161740693
Nobody wants to help twinks

>>161740148
You can trade the Xanthous Crown for another one at the smaller crow's nest at Asylum.

>>161740026
CE doesn't ban you for gear drops

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>>161740035
inb4 not a proper Souls game
Bloodborne. It's short and the chalice grind sucks ass, but other than that it's From's best thought out and polished content. Though that's after TOH. My friend got BB before the DLC was out and was very displeased with the game but returned to it after TOH and loved it.

>>161742079
Yeah I think there's no debate that TOH is From's best work. If only the base game had a fourth of the care and polish that TOH had I would rate BB as my favorite

>>161738965

Alright nvm, I tried. Maybe I'll try later on tonight when the general isn't so dead.

At least I found out that I didn't actually waste my soul of a stray demon and instead just skipped him earlier, so I can still get my havel's ring +0 and make my exile cosplay work.

I'd like to see DS1 PvP without magnetic backstabs someday

Not because I necessarily hate the way it is, but after seeing the delayed DS2 / DS3 backstabs (which are glitchy in their own right) I want to see how much would low/mid level play change in DS1

DaS PvP: Strafe left, strafe right, hope you don't get BS'd
DaS2 PvP: Footises, spacing, mindgames, backstabs use for roll catching, all weapons and builds viable
DaS3 PvP: Passive-Reactionary playstyles, circle strafing, too afraid to attack because the aggressor is disadvantaged, shitty hyper armor making great weapon class awful, pyro brainless and broken.

>>161743373
>DaS2 PvP: Footises, spacing, mindgames
I laugh every time I read a das2babby talk about pvp

>>161743373
going off of the post above yours (mine lol), there are ways to avoid and cancel backstabs in DS1 - I just wish the game wasn't so prominently about countering that whole meta

There is so much more to it, but I feel like it's overshadowed by backstabs

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What's the best build strictly for fashion?

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>>161743373
>Footises, spacing, mindgames
Yeah yeah.

>>161721692
wut
it has more damage on 50 str and 30 faith

>>161743586
99VIT

>>161743658
what is that retard even doing

>>161743791
mindgames

>>161726798
гo эвэй ивaн

>>161743373
>there are people on /dsg/ right now that actually get chained in das1 and cry about it
explains everything rofl

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I love this meme

>>161743684

Great Club has 30 more AR on just 66 STR than Morne's on 50 STR + 30 FAI.

>>161743932
stafestab kick backstab kick backstab kick

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once again from has FUCKING NOTHING to show

>>161744321
Miyazaki is too busy counting the money he made from Nostalgia Souls 3

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>>161744321
it's fucking baffling

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This is my favorite general but i don't ever know what to post about.
Who is you're waifu /dsg/?

>ds2 arena
>hit guy more than enough times to kill him
>only one of the hits registers
>he strikes me
>i block his blade with mine
>next second he is backstabbing me
>i die

>>161744460
You
You're my waifu, anon

>>161743658
Just look at all of that footsies, spacing and mindgames. Wow, dark souls 2 pvp truly was a gem.

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I hate this meme

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>>161744460

>>161743092
Some areas are impossible to backstab at, like anor londo's elevator

>>161744716
why the fuck she's portrayed with white hair and yellow eyes when if Friede is anything to go by she has red eyes and black hair

>>161744460

My FCBF.

>>161744746
So this is the power of Dark Souls 3 PvP...
>>161744861
She didn't exist when the fan art was created