/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

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Comfy

Remember to post progress!

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Look i made a shitty android game in unity
http://slideme.org/application/doggodanger

>>161407167
You are not wrong. The movement after hitting the ground is a very nice touch.

>>161406605
I'd add
coneLight.setSoftnessLength(3f);

To make it look more comfy and natural

>>161407167
Looks like it could be expensive to process those particles. But snow is pretty comfy.

>>161407069
is this some sort of reverse psychology to ward against Sourceposting?

>>161407265
LW?

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Reposting for feedback.

Since one of the ideas for the setting of my ARPG was 'magical girls' and someone suggested a card system for the combat, I tried coming up with one. Tell me what you think
>compose deck of 9-10 cards
>each card can have different effects, some are attacks that consume MP, other replenish it, etc
>in battle, you can only have 3 drawn cards at a time
>you can only use the card on the left
>when you use it, you put it back in the deck and a new card is drawn
>you can discard it without using it to draw another card
So I'm not sure if discarding should discard only the active card or the entire hand. Thoughts?

>>161407167
looks nice but how fast will it run on a toaster?

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glsl shaders are annoying

>>161407434
it's probably because it was posted one post early

>>161406820
I'm seeing lots of high level unity-esque games but no low level graphics stuff, are there no autists here?

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>>161407450
>LW?
i don't get it
i'm retarded when it comes to 3d modeling. im doing it in 3ds max. Is there something better for beginners?

Man, I think I will never understand python lists.

A word of caution for all python devs out there. ANYTHING MORE COMPLEX THAN A SINGLE VARIABLE IS NEVER ENCAPSULATED BY PUTTING IT INTO FUNCTIONS OR CLASSES. IF YOU CHANGE ONE OF THOSE WITHIN A FUNCTION OR A CLASS, THE CHANGE WILL AUTOMATICALLY TAKE EFFECT OUTSIDE THAT SCOPE WITHOUT EXPLICITLY RETURNING THE CHANGED COMPLEX(???) VARIABLE.

As far as I understand, this is caused by the fact that python complex(??) variables are entirely based on pointers.

>>161407452
I would allow use of any card in your hand, that way you could set up combos and synergy in your hand. Unless combat is super fast and simple.

I would have it so you draw your hand, you use the cards and either when all the cards in your hand are used up or you choose discard, then all the cards get tossed and then you draw a new hand.

Is 20,000 triangles for a staircase with a banister ridiculous?

>>161408241
How long is the staircase?

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I created an unshaded particle material and set its color to yellow to use with traffic lights.
>>161407457
Not a chance.

>>161408241
if you are planning to release that game in 2030 then it is pretty okay

>>161355115
just go back to the old eyes anon. they worked much better than any of the other designs you or others have proposed

>>161408241
It isn't 'ridiculous'

>>161408271

it's one floor but it has a landing half way.

>>161407918
I think you need to read about python more. In Python (and many other languages) when you pass a complex type to a function, you are passing a reference to that complex type, not the complex type itself. If you want to modify it without modifying the original, you will have to manually make a copy of it. This is normal behavior and not something you should be surprised by.

>>161408241
we don't know a damn thing about your game or this scene its in so its impossible to answer. I'm guessing you are not confident in your topology or you wouldnt be asking

>>161408241
It should be fine if it's a main element and the rest of the room doesn't have a high polycount

>>161408620

It's really the banister adding it up like that because of the detailing on the poles. I should probably change those assets. Not sure exactly how I'd maintain that fidelity though at a lower triangle count though, a normal wouldn't quite cut it.

how legit is to make html5 games, cloning some super mario world game and putting google ads on it?

>>161408819
Just show us the fucking staircase already.

>>161408914
I think I can foresee what is coming

>>161408334
Cool stuff.

I liked all the volumetric (or fake volumetric?) particles in The Division.

>>161408903
Super Mario World is not an easy game to clone, FYI

>>161408982
it is if you're a professional software programmer.

>>161408903
Why would you do this?

Why would people play this?

I'd rather just download an emulator and rom to actually play super mario world.

>>161409071
Not really

>>161408680
yea, I think I was just going overboard with that whole thing

I think I was more frustrated with all the thousands of python tutorials that adamantly claim that a function or class or object cannot modify anything outside themselves unless these things are explicitly returned. To learn about this little asterisk the hard way was pretty frustrating. And this seems to be a pretty big asterisk that should be written in big red letters.

how easy is it to clone dark souls as an indie dev?

>>161409202
About 204 difficulty units

>>161408903
Also a quick google search yields many websites that just have the game available to play no download on their sites.

>>161408982
Den't let Gogem read your post anon. He'd probably say he could clone SMW in a week since it already exists.

>>161409291
I doubt it. Mario doesn't have a neck.

>>161408903
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it isn't legit

>>161408903
Assuming you don't use Nintendo assets (sprites, names, music), it's definitely possible I know Canvas has issues with multiple entities on the screen at once though.

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sup agdg, I've got a bit of a problem. I've been developing a game in unity for a while now and am looking to release in the coming months. My concern is that I've been using an asset from the store that I pirated from CGpeers. I'm also using hack for Unity called "Uniskin" which makes the UI dark like the pro version, and allows you to disable the default unity splash screen..

What I'm worried about is, if i release a game like this, will there be any way for someone from Unity to determine whether or not I actually have purchased this asset and Unity pro? Don't they have some kind of internal tools that they can use to verify things and cross reference with Unity accounts? Currently I have never linked a unity account to my installation, so when I build a version, there is no trace of anything to link back to right?

I just don't want to release a game and then possibly get some flak or a nasty email from someone saying "you're fucked mate, cease and desist, you're going to jail"

does anyone here have any insight on situations like this?

>>161407306
I think I can get something to that effect, will tweak it around later.

>>161409535
>I know Canvas has issues with multiple entities on the screen at once though.

??? are you just talking out of your ass because that makes absolutely no sense

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where do you get your inspiration from?

>>161409748
Movies and old abandoned agdg projects.

>>161409748
the beautiful earth that G-d created

>>161409801
What happens when you type an o instead of that - ?

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>>161408961
>>161408914

Oh boy, here I go.

>>161409648
>Unity Pro

Unity has the right to audit your company and computers. (part of the TOS agreement) It's pretty unlikely it'll ever happen but definitely possible.

>>161409914
turn into a goy

>>161409914
God bless /agdg/

>>161409923
>it has a landing half way
Yeah, I can see how that dramatically increases your tris.

what I mean guys is that I'm planning on making a portal website with clone games using stolen assets and putting google ads on the games.

>but there's hundreds of similar websites
except their games are garbage.

>>161408334
Amazing

>>161409648
First of all you are not releasing the next Minecraft, the chances of people let alone Unity actually finding out is very slim because you are going to reach NOBODY. On the other hand Unity can totally find out if you are using a hacked version of their software. Roll back to a legit version before shipping anything that you are going to sell as a product.
>>161409748
By playing games and being disappointing they never did X feature or explored Z theme more.

>>161409923
>there are more tris in a single banister post than the entire set of stairs
>it's the landing that's making the tri-count so high!

>>161410071
>except their games are garbage
have you considered why? some companies have bigger cocks than others

>>161410071
>except their games are garbage
Implying yours won't be.

>stolen Nintendo assets
Cease & Desist within the hour someone at Nintendo hears about this.

>>161410160
because they're made by complete amateurs.
there's not quality control on portal games.

>>161410186
good luck with all those million clones on the internet made on flash.

>tfw shit at gamedev because I rarely play games
Should I take a year off and play some games instead of devving? It's not even that I don't like games, I just can't force myself to start playing.

>>161409923
do you really need all those polygons for the following things

>the poles
>the edges of the stair steps
>the arc shaped thingie at the foot of the stairs

also, I think that a lot of these details can be achieved using tesselation or whatever it is called

>>161409648
>people should pay for my game, since it's my hard work and I deserve it
>I don't owe anyone anything for using their tools or software

I can smell the entitled millennial all the way over here in Canada

>>161410248
why are you devving to begin with?

>>161409648
mate, unless you somehow rake in 100k+ in sales, nobody is going to care.

>>161410337
Because I have ideas for games that don't exist yet.

>>161410248
>career as teacher but hate being around students
Why are you making yourself so unhappy?

>>161409071
>software programmer
here is the trap
there are people who might be able to optimize the fuck out of their code and squeeze the last drip of sweat out of their machines, but this does not mean they're capable of making a good game
there is a lot more to a game than it looks, especially when we are talking about something as finely tuned as a main-series mario title

>>161409680
It does though. It has issues displaying multiple (as in, a lot of) sprites at once.

>>161404282
>>161404693
What if you allow the combatants to stack the deck?`

>>161410442
>we're talking about cloning a snes game
>huh duh but you wont be able to make a fun game

>>161410443
>game engine has issues displaying multiple sprites at once

kek

>>161410459
What do you mean?

>>161410337
i havent played a new game in 5 years and im deving.

why? because there's a game i want to make which nobody has made yet.

>>161410248
I don't see how playing games correlates to your ability to make games. Just analyze the features of games you enjoy, and make your fucking game already.

>>161410490
Nice bait friendo.

>>161409648
>asset from the store that I pirated from CGpeers
What is this? Sounds interesting.

>>161410624
pirating? yeah its pretty interesting

>>161410486
a clone is unlikely to be successful if it's made by someone who looks at the game as superficially as "haha it's a 2d mario game mario jumps on turtles shell come out and he kick it it's just that simple" or says things like "cloning some super mario world game"

>>161410772
>make 100% acurate clone of some popular snes game
>how do you know if it will be fun

>>161410497
The deck isn't shuffled, the player chooses the order of the cards before a match, or maybe a group of matches if you want to limit how often they can change their build.

>>161410839
>remake Adventure
>"why is nobody playing my game?"

>>161410839
it guarantee it wouldn't be even close to 70% accurate in this case

>>161409648
>>161410362
this

just ignore this unless you somehow manage to get significant profit from your game, then just buy unity pro

>>161410884
Oh, I see. Yeah that could work, although, wouldn't that be the same as having a 10-card hand?

>>161410839
>make a rip off of a very revered snes game
>throw a ton of google ads into it
>mobile

>nobody will like it, obviously

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>>161410839
Clones leave a bad initial impression that never goes away even if the game is good.

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>>161409941
>>161410112
>>161410362
>>161411012

thanks for the help guys, I guess my plan atm is to just continue development and then when release time comes, buy the asset and unity plus, which should cost me total around $85

Does somebody have an idea how to make basic camera in LOVE2D?

I read this tutorial, but kind of doesn't make sense.
http://nova-fusion.com/2011/04/19/cameras-in-love2d-part-1-the-basics/
I'm not sure what push and pop do, wouldn't it work if I just made all objects move?

>>161410839
Tell me why I would go to some shitty website full of ads where some dude attempted to remake old SNES games, and probably failed at making them exactly the same, instead of just downloading an emulator and downloading a rom and playing the actual real game without it being covered in ads.

And before you say "b-but some idiots will go to it!", no they wont, downloading an emulator is the easiest shit, any idiot can do it, and they're much more likely to do that than try to find some shitty knockoff website.

>>161410912
>>161411181
>>161411207
>he doesn't know about flash games and browser games
>he thinks kids give a fuck about quality
>he hasn't seen the average quality in those portals
kek

>>161411379
>he thinks 4-5 year old kids know about emulators
>what are portals

>>161411392
>it would be 100% accurate because professional qualified software programmer with 12 years experience
>i-it doesn't need to be kids will eat it up anyway
dumb backpedaling poster

>>161411207
>comparing a free to play browser game to a paid desktop game

>>161411340
>I'm not sure what push and pop do
might want to go back to game maker

>>161411392
>>161411496
If you're so sure that it's going to work then why are you even asking? Just start making it. You clearly think it's a great idea, so there should be nothing stopping you.

>>161411530
>quality and being a browser game are oposites

>>161411573
will do.

>>161411340
>I'm not sure what push and pop do
There is this great website called google.com. You might find answers there.

>>161411552
You know, I kind of know what those commands are supposed to do it's used for storing coords, size and resetting to normal), but I don't see the usage in camera system.

>>161411694
you're no longer even consistently backpedaling, just shifting the point back and forth
just fuck off, make your clone and come back to laugh at this general when you're second notch or something

>>161407167
>>161407272
i disagree, i think it makes it look like dust instead of snow. place hundreds of small accumulation textures and raise the opacity on them super slowly when snow hits the ground

WE HAD LOVE

>>161412051
ebin :D

I NEED TO SEE SOME PROGRESS PICS POSTED IN THIS THREAD

>>161407594
How come?

>>161411694
good, glad that's settled. now kindly fuck off

>>161412208
We all do, anon, we all do.

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>>161412384
Here's my progress from the last 3 hours

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>>161412208
>People post progress
>Meme replies
>No useful feedback
For what purpose should people even post progress?

>>161412506
wrong post id
>>161412208

>>161412506
>public void
is another class going to be calling these methods?
no? then make them fucking private

>>161412560
>People post progress
>Meme replies
>No useful feedback
Can you point this out in this thread?

>>161412560
You makin' Advanced Wars 3D?

>>161412506
>if (something <= 0) something = 0
>if (something >= max) something = max

mah nigga use the something = Math.MinMaxRange(min,max,val) if it exists.
if it doesn't, be smug and make your own so your code gets more readability for ya later and u can impress the girl next to u with ur code

>>161412664
Why? Who cares? It's video games ffs.

>>161412506
>not using clamp()
For what purpose?

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>>161412798
No, it's just a neat low poly reference I saved from this thread.

>>161412848
>not following basic code etiquette

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>>161412664
It's all called from another class, see pic related

But the public void in pic related should be private.. i will change that, thanks anon

>>161412808
I like this idea, thanks anon

>u can impress the girl next to u with ur code
I haven't sat next to a girl in over 2.5 years, nor been within a 0.5m proximity of one

Thinking of going back to uni and paying the £50k tuition just to speak to / meet girls.

How many enginedevs are there? Is there a list of them? I was wondering how hard a 2D engine would be.

>>161412848
This particular example isn't so bad but if you don't care about your code "because video games" you will make it very hard for yourself later.

>>161413124
why write a game engine if these exist already

>>161412848
You'll care when you're 2 years into your project and your garbage code is making your life miserable.

>>161413124
According to strawpoll there's about 11 engine devs on agdg.

>>161413338
Some people do it to learn and not make games.

>>161413124
Does it count if I use SFML for graphics/context/window management?

>>161413124
You basically just move a PNG around the screen. If you use a library like Box2D, all is left is to manage file loading. It's nothing special, really.

Are there any examples of a game being funded through patreon? Or is that only for porn?

>>161413456
Yes, that still counts as engine dev.

>>161413124
2D is easy, and there's little reason to go any lower than something like MonoGame, Love, SFML, LibGDX, etc.

>>161413527
You forgot rendering, sound, and input.

>>161413338
Why make a platformer if those already exist? Why make a Tetris clone if those already exist? Why did Kojima bother making Metal Gear 2 when Konami already made Metal Gear? Why didn't Jonathan Blow just use Unity? Why does Nintendo always use in-house engines when Unity and Unreal exist?

>>161412560
Good stuff, how exactly is the gameplay going to be?

>>161413819
Answer the question before asking more questions.

>>161413338
Because most engines give you very little control over where you can write code and make it very difficult to do certain things without making a mess of it all.

Want to have two entities interact if you control the main loop? Easy, just call a function on both of them. Want to have two entities interact if the only place you're allowed to write code is in their update methods? Good luck.

>>161413819
>Why did Kojima bother making Metal Gear 2 when Konami already made Metal Gear? Why didn't Jonathan Blow just use Unity? Why does Nintendo always use in-house engines when Unity and Unreal exist?
Money

>>161413947
>Why didn't Jonathan Blow just use Unity?
>The Witness took 9 years to make
>7 years of it was spent on enginedev

good question anon

>>161406820
Anyone else doing LD37? I'm thinking about warming up with a couple prototype games before the jam.

>>161413752
Oh, right, calling drawimgae() is pure black magic, along with createrenderer(), and checking if key_A is true or false, and starting a score when the game starts. I'm seriously asking, is it really that much? I mean, if an already made engine does even these very basic tasks for you, then what is left to do? I mean, I see the reason to use something for 3D, but a 2D engine just mystify me.

>>161414018
>The Witness took 9 years to make
If only he had spent 3 more years on it, it could have been the greatest game of all time.

>>161413819
I don't think The Witness would've been possible in Unity.

>>161414121
No, it's not, but saying a 2D engine is just file loading and physics is disingenuous.

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>>161412208
after long day of battling a bug, I finally got role assignment for expeditions done. however, assigning people to those roles is still to be done and that is far off

tomorrow I will work on the interface to add items to expedition (like giving food to them so that they don't starve out there)

after that is done I need to make communications screen for expeditions and then I can start working on an interface to add people to expedition roles.

once all of that is done, I can finally start programming in events. I don't think that there will be enough time to implement base building for jam deadline. I quess I have to substitute that with making people consume less food while in base.

------------------
I just checked how much code does that "Expedition" window take up. It takes up 556 lines, which is just a bit under half of total lines. And I still have to implement a few things in there.

So, lesson learned - fancy menus may look innocent and easy, but they require significant amount of grunt labor.

I forget what I'm doing then get distracted and my dev progress slows down.

Downloading Excel to make a spreadsheet of shit I have to do

Have a christmas song
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akzSA6H4jFI&index=21&list=RDMMhhHXAMpnUPM

>>161414246
Why is the a offset?

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>>161414276
>excel

just keep it all in a text file bruh

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>>161414018
yeah Blow went through a fortune to develop an engine when he could have created the game in any premade engine and spent a year or two polishing it and still release sooner. It would have been a better game with an earlier release.

It's a beautiful looking engine they made but surely this could have been done in UE, Unity or Cryengine with custom shaders.

>>161414404
>I don't have any desire to use a different engine for many reasons, and it's unclear which are the most important reasons, so let's start with the least usual one. Which is: when I'm making these games, they're not just commercial products. They're expressive works that we're working very hard to make, and we want them to have as long of a lifetime as possible. So I would like this game to be relevant 20 years from now, 40 years from now. How do you do that? Well, you don't necessarily do that by building it on top of a very complicated system, that you don't own, that somebody else will cease to support at some point in the future. Once future consoles happen or current PC operating systems no longer work, we at least have the source code to the whole system so we can make it work in the future. If Unity ceases to support something in the future, you basically have to rewrite it on a different system, and depending on how much of your gameplay depends on the core of how that worked, it may be very difficult or impossible to reproduce the same thing."

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>barely motivated to do anything since hard drive died in august and I lost my project and learned the extreme, obvious value of backing everything the fuck up
>today for no reason, decide to plug in hard drive just to see what happens
>doesn't work of course
>start fucking with it, moving it around, moving cables, plugging into different ports
>it fucking miraculously turns on
>immediately retrieve old project before it dies after a minute

I AM SO HAPPY

>>161414553
>see year old code
>get the immediate urge to delete everything

>>161414553
Quick post game

>>161414373
a font issue probably - most lower case letters seem to be wonky in some way or another

currently I let the pygame fetch the default font - whatever it is
I currently consider it a pseudo problem. When I get to the stage of polishing, I will swap the font out for smth that isn't wonky.

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>>161414603
It's this one.

>>161414520
Unreal is open source tho
Literally no excuse

>>161414520
Spending years and millions of dollars to build a custom engine because commercial engines "might change" is a bold but stupid move.

Notice his statement that it's "not just a commercial product", not quite fitting with his reaction to the initial sales of The Witness. Blow has been a crybaby most of his post-Braid existence now that he's blown all the Braid money on a one trick pony engine.

>>161414553
now you go and finish the game
no more excuses

>>161414803
UE4 didn't exist then.

>>161414808
Try reading the first sentence again, it's not his only reason.

None of that has to do with enginedev.

How do they make the enemies spawn in shoot'em ups?

I mean, they must be using some kind of tool for deciding at what time an enemy spawns, because doing it one by one, editing spawning time for each enemy manually is crazy.

Do they do it sort of procedurally also?
like, spawn 10 enemies between this point and that point, separated by x.xx seconds and equidistant from each other?

So yeah, are patterns programmed, or are they inserted with some sort of visual tool? but I can't think about how to make such a tool

>>161414802
I'm gonna be the rude boy to say

That doesn't look like something that could be remade within a few hours.

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>>161413124
>How many enginedevs are there?
Too many.

>tfw to smart too use an engine or OOP

>>161415110
probably a combination of both

>>161415110
I'm gonna guess they do exactly that. Save some movement patterns (sine-wave, to-edge-and-back etc.) with variables like frequency, speed and such and the same for wave spawning. Then create a list of spawners that works with a timer to move from entry to entry.

>>161414520
Any game that's decent will be made to run on future hardware through hacks or emulation. I can go to GoG.com and get hundreds of games that were never intended to run on current hardware or operating systems.

>>161415119
Oh I know, it's not anything special. I'm sure anyone here with experience could crap it out easy, and I'm sure I could have remade it if I really tried. I just let myself get demoralized.

>tfw to smart too use visual feedback of computer screens

>>161415337
that's what I was afraid of...

There has to be a resource on patterns to use for shmups already out though, going to test my google-fu

>>161415248
>using no engine
what

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>>161415406
>I just let myself get demoralized.
You stop that shit right now and get back to making a mecha game. Give me 20 lines of code, right now!

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>>161413009
here's more low poly reference

>>161415463
The engine is the part of the code that's reusable. If I'm making a game from a lower level (that wouldn't be considered an engine as it isn't game specific) and I haven't reused any of the code yet then I don't have an engine.

>>161414520
>So I would like this game to be relevant 20 years from now, 40 years from now
I don't want to be asshole, but...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>blow money on custom engine
>take 9 years to make the game
>a puzzle game on top of that

They got like 150k sells in year and doesn't look that discount helped much. I don't expect them to sell much more in next years.

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>>161414553
You have been blessed by the gods of dev, Anon. Now you must dev wholeheartedly.

>>161415817
Like a Calculator game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h_UYsFkCYY

>>161415898
it's made especially ironic by the fact that I can play SMB on my ps4 but not braid

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Ships can now leave local sectors to travel across the system but they're lost for all eternity because nothing happens on arrival, spoopy.

>>161415898
wouldn't 150k already put them even give or take

>>161414802
You gonna keep working on this? I love mecha games

>>161415898
What are you talking about the game will be selling for the next 40 years. It will be relevant for generations to come because it's a custom engine game made by the great Jonathan Blow!

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>>161416227
Super spooky.

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>>161415229
can you spot the Unity/UE4 dev on this pic

Is there a good 3d engine for if I decide to GPL my game?

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We must gas non-enginedevs (or devs that don't make games by low-level means) as they are brainlet scum.

>>161416232
wikipedia said he paid about 6 million in dev costs
to break even on 150k he'd have to make 40 dollars per unit on a 40 dollar game
so no

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>>161414404
>>161414018
Hey, he got mentioned in the book I'm reading.

>>161416190
No.

>>161415579
on it sir

>>161416241
Yes I am definitely going to continue working on this

>>161416413
No, they're already much farther along the way.

>opening brackets on a new line
JUST

>using brackets
JUST

>>161416474
Godot. Currently it's good for PS2 era graphics. But the 3D renderer is being updated to be more modern, it will be stable in a few months.

>>161416819
LIKE

MAKE

GAME

>>161416597
this is literal autism

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----[ Recap ]----
Game: Shiphack
Dev: vestigial
Tools: Unity
Web: vestigialdevelopment.com
Progress:
+ Greenlit!
+ Build webpages from HTML fragments
+ From SQL tables into page values without per-page code
+ Remade web browser

>>161416232

Just like >>161416586 said.
Hoppo and his Risk of Rain done in Gamemaker made more.
>inb4 but's in three years
Most of the sales are done in first months, then hype dies down.

>>161416413
It's strange to see how an enginedev visualizes their imaginary superstitious "bloat" they say is in premade engines.

>>161416949
srsly

>>161416016
>the non-smug version of the pic
It's first time I see this.

>>161407880
He's accusing you of being Zoe Quinn or a part of weird twitter. Doggo is not an accepted 4chin maymay. But that can't be true because what you've made is actually a GAME

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>>161416802
like this?

>>161393697
Good stuff, I'll just follow in your footsteps

Then become an engine dev and never make a game again

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>>161416413
A better analogy for most engines, particularly Unity, would be a cart that, instead of having a bed for all the rocks, forces you to balance all the rocks on plates that are attached by long spindly poles.

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>>161407452
>deck of 9-10 cards

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Adjusted the eyes so Whimp doesn't look so sad, pretty happy with the new design now. It's got potential to be emotive while not directly ripping off Kirby and being pretty neutral

>>161416227
I can't tell by looking, but please tell me the planets have a larger angular velocity closer to the center

Kepler would cry if they're not

>>161417023
How do you create those titles? Markov chains or something else?

Also why the fuck are you using it HTML? Do you run an actual browser in-game?

>Made a cube as a slime programmer enemy
>It's just a cube
>Still ended up with 5 animations on it
Wew.

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>>161417275
No like this.

>>161417285
That's an equally shitty analogy. This is like listening to virgins trying to describe what sex feels like.

>>161417697
I thought he was trying to describe sex?

>>161417697
Unity does greatly limit where you can write code.

>>161417294
Well yeah, if you can only use a card once, it wouldn't make sense to have a 40 card deck.

>>161407452
Doesn't seem particularly fleshed out. Post 5 cards, or a full "deck" and it's total potential if possible. Don't worry, this is aggy daggy, nobody's going to steal your idea, especially if you namefag and link it to a twitter saying "donut steel"

>>161407452
Sounds similar to Phantom Dust on the original Xbox. The difference is you'd have 3 abilities from the top of the queue you could choose from, and you could hold a max of 4 abilities which you could use at anytime.

>>161416861
>coding your game in languages that don't use brackets
memerrific!

>>161417697
>>161417728
Imagine that the 'was' was written in italics, to make the sentence read how i want it to be read

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Anyone interested in composing? I'm in need of a couple songs

>>161417759
Reminder that you can still make your own external .dll plugins to improve your project or coding options in Unity.

ITT: You're just a full of shit enginedev with no games.

>>161417853
>everything is blocky
>PERFECTLY CYLINDRICAL MESAS

>>161417759
If a bunch of Mexicans can make a space program simulator in it and make money, then pretty much you're able to write whatever you want.

>>161417759
In what way? If you want to modify the engine then you can use an open source engine or make your own. If you just want to make a game though Unity will let you do whatever the fuck you want.

>>161417853
>Anyone interested in composing?
I prefer songs made by inheritance.

>>161417786
It's all up in the air for now, so I don't really have anything for you to steal yet. Sorry.

>>161417891
>Reminder that you can still make your own external .dll plugins to improve your project or coding options in Unity.

isn't it sort of getting back to square one and akin to developing an engine if it gets in the way and you're going to be reinventing what was supposed to be invented?

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Got my dinosaur to walk. Don't have any experience animating things so this will have to do considering how little time I have until the jam ends.

>>161417941
>KSP is Mexican
I feel dirty

>>161417891
why not just write your engine by that point

>>161411806
I don't think you know what push and pop do. Go read up on heaps and basic heap functions.

Stand down immediately engies. You have been served.

>>161414802
dva, the game?

>>161418024
this is why Unity made the asset store, its one of their biggest innovations

>>161418024
Sure that's stupid. But you can still do it, make your own engine in the Unity engine.

>>161418056
If you don't have a method/class called WalkTheDinosaur, I'm going to be disapointed

>>161418013
well make a full deck and see how it feels, then take out five of those cards and try to replace them with all new designs, and see where you end up with that creative process. It's going to get to the point where thinking won't get you shit, but DOING will, so you might as well start DOING now

>>161417891
Can you write a plugin that lets you add game logic that isn't tied to a game object?

>>161417941
Turing-completeness is not an argument.

>>161417961
Doesn't let you write code that isn't in a method of a game object.

>>161418024
Except you'd be making only the thing Unity can't do instead of literally everything.

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>>161417626
The title/subtitle is from spaceipsum.com

>Do you run an actual browser in-game?
Theres an embedded browser from the asset store that renders a Chromium browser into a texture, so you can apply it to geometry for example, its pretty insane. Pic related, its running webgl and putting the result onto a bent mesh that also detects clicks accurately

>why the fuck are you using it HTML?
Mainly because the workflow for making websites has tons of free tools/templates/themes I can drop in, and whatever doesn't exist it'll be easier to make using a wysiwyg rather than rolling my own. Also it'll let players write their own html or modify existing pages because muh player agency

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>>161418149

>>161411340
Pushing and popping is for doing hierarchical matrix transformations. First you apply the camera transformation and push it so it's stored. Then, for each object, you apply their transformation. If you need to go deeper with child objects with their own transformations relative to their parent, you push again. Whenever you go back up the hierarchy, you pop the transformation.

>>161418101
Neither do you in this context, apparently.

>>161418273
I'm proud of you anon

>>161418232
Damn, that's impressive. Shine on you crazy diamond.

>>161418232
How well does it run? Sounds very computationally expensive.

>>161418085
>i want to customize 2% of the operation of this device
>better just rebuild the entire device while i'm at it
I'll be damned if this post doesn't perfectly illustrate the mind of an enginedev.

>>161418216
>>161418401
Ever heard of libraries? Just because you're not using Unity doesn't mean you have to do everything yourself.

The great thing about libraries is they take care of the stuff like rendering and physics that isn't typically game specific and give the programmer full control over all the gamey stuff, whereas engines usually force a framework for game stuff on the programmer as well.

>>161414246
I remember some of your previous posts, good stuff, keep going man.

>>161418273
Top kek.

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I wonder if I'm overdoing it

>>161418401
>>161418216
This is why frameworks and libraries are the most ideal way to go about doing things. Sure they're not flashy and don't have a nice-looking GUI so you can drag and drop things together, but they handle all the boiler plate code so you can get on with making your game.

>>161418216
But it would be cool and everyone would know I'm a genius programmer

>>161418639
sugoiiii

>>161418639
no

>>161418676
Hmm, what you say makes a lot of sense except you don't have a game to prove you right

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>>161417658
i think you meant this

>>161418475
>whereas engines usually force a framework for game stuff on the programmer as well.
Enginedevs have the weirdest beliefs about premade engines. I give up.

>>161418684
a genius programmer that never finished a game

>>161418802
Is that a screenshot of the game you made in your engine? Oh wait.

>>161418639
I like it

>>161418676
>Sure they're not flashy and don't have a nice-looking GUI so you can drag and drop things together
Motherfucker, a GUI and suite of tools has been common in all software since 1989, you have no idea how archaic and touched in the head you engies sound. Just because you can accomplish basic tasks by clicking and scrolling through windows to manage your assets in an IDE does not make everything "drag and drop" and "flashy".

Engies are like the amish except you don't even have a religious excuse.

>engie
The beast has been awakened.

>>161418814
Unity's component system. UE4's actor/pawn/etc. system.

>>161419023
>don't even have a religious excuse.
What about the statues of Richard Stallman I keep seeing?

How come in VS I don't have to include libs like string and iostream? All these seem to be working without it.

>>161419062
You can make any kind of game you want in those engines, including 2D for Unity.

You are autistic.

>>161418879
what did he mean by this

>>161419180
You can also do anything with Brainfuck because it's Turing-complete.

>>161418342
Thanks for the reply, though I do be lying if I was said that I understood everything.

Is the whole thing used so you could easily "move" everything without actual moving, so you wouldn't have to worry about objects colliding with map borders?

>>161419137
perhaps the compiler figures out that you're using them and "includes" them for you
it's been long time since i used windows but as far as i remember you don't even need to add boost to your linker when you include the boost headers because the linker does it for you

Why do all the top engines use an entity component system? its making my neurons fire more than usual

>>161418179
I'll try. Honestly I've barely begun working on combat.
When I do get to work on this (I'm still not completely sure how this system would work code-wise, so I need to figure that out too) I'll post progress.
I think I want most cards to work as spacial attacks or spells, but I think having some that work as buffs/debuffs, give bonus exp/money, stun enemies, etc could work too, kind of like in Mario & Luigi Paper Jam.

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>>161417517
It's a full Kepler solution anon, I just haven't put any thought into the system generator yet.

>>161419267
Because composition produces less clutter than complex inheritance hierarchies.

>>161417380
Now Whimp could be a tear of joy

>>161419220
I meant that to take a screenshot of your game you need to have a game, which you don't.

>>161419240
That's cool but the original assertion was that Unity or UE are holding devs back from making games they want to make somehow.

Nice deflection.

>>161419137
Fluke. Do it anyways.

>>161419241
That's what matrix transformations are for in general. The pushing and popping is basically to facilitate a hierarchical scene graph.

>>161419267
Inheritance is terrible, but for games especially. Rarely can all your objects fit neatly into a hierarchy and you'd have to know every entity you ever want to make before programming to get it right and not waste time refactoring all the time.

>>161419424
>increasing development time because you have to work around them isn't important
Bit ironic considering engines are supposed to save you time.

>>161419263
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up!

May I ask: what do you use now? Mac or Linux? I'm thinking about giving a try at multi platforming, because it looks like a good challenge and exercise, but I'm wondering if people actually use them for leisure or just for work.

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>>161418182
>Doesn't let you write code that isn't in a method of a game object.
Why is that a problem for a gamedev?

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>>161418373
Thanks anon, but to be clear the browser asset devs did all the hard work, its 99% dragondrop.

>>161418395
The game itself still gets 60fps but as you can see the in-browser rendering is not that high when it gets stressed doing webgl stuff, regular browsing feels responsive enough

>>161419589
Maybe because you can't have a game without game objects interacting and there's no clean way to do that without code that operates at a higher level?

Programming based on the way you perceive the real world to work doesn't work.

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>>161415229
>He actually believes this.
I feel like people don't understand what reinventing the wheel means and or they don't understand why people would bother enginedevving.

The idea behind reinventing the wheel isn't to criticize new inventions of the same type, it's to criticize changing the underlying concept behind the original invention while providing no benefit from the endeavor.

If your picture was to be more accurate, it would be someone using a wheel just like the one being offered but instead taking those wheels they make their own which produced the same result but ended up taking more time.

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>>161418692
>>161418726
>>161418891
Cheers anons

Let's all make progress together from now on

>>161419559
Linux, mostly for convenience and because I like the philosophy, and because I'm fed up with Windows' bullshit, I also work as a programmer and our workflow requires specific tools that are just easier to set up on Linux than getting through a fuck ton of hoops to get them to work on Windows and in the end they may not even work properly

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>>161419417
ahh, its the "where is your game"

here is one of them

now post yours or admit defeat

>>161419328
That's what i like to see, keep up the good work

>>161419786
Thanks anon!

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>>161419754
Holy shit I remember this one, didn't you make this months ago? I remember because when you posted it I expected actual page turning.

Here's my inferior enginebabby game.

>>161419495
>increasing development time because you have to work around them isn't important
Yes in order to make any game you need to 'work around" things.

Your "work around" is to throw the baby out with the bath water and use outdated and inefficient techniques to create a vastly inferior platform to make your game, assuming you even care to make a game which enginedevs never do.

>>161419690
>Thanks anon, but to be clear the browser asset devs did all the hard work, its 99% dragondrop.
I know, but you game is still pretty impressive nonetheless. I like how you're going for the most realistic approach possible with your hacking and systems.

>>161419701
Can you give an example of what "interacting" you mean and how Unity somehow makes it very difficult? Maybe I can help.

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>>161419754
>turn_pages.webm
>the pages don't turn

>>161419701
I think it's your autism that prevents it from working, because the rest of us make games just fine without worrying about any of this retarded bullshit. Enginedevs are genuinely annoying.

>>161419754
I hope the gameplay is more than reading books

Engies just need an excuse for not completing an actual game.

Even with the skills they have they can't finish a game or even make a decent prototype so they end up making an engine that they have no use for whatsoever.

Seeing people with little experience posting progress in GMS makes them even more furious so they start retarded discussions because they need to validate themselves.

>>161419754
wow it's just like all the video games I play on my amazon fire

>>161419754
>a slideshow
Please be joking.

>>161419495
>That's what matrix transformations are for in general. The pushing and popping is basically to facilitate a hierarchical scene graph.
Thanks, I think more or less I get what I'm dealing with.

>>161419893
it was one of my old projects
far along the line I noticed that I had made a really big mistake that fucked everything up
so, I quit working on it

I am doing a different game now - I won't post it since I don't want to associate that with my shitposting habits

>>161419754
>>161420153
My fucking sides.

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>>161419893
Got your page turning right here *unzips book*

>>161420324
hnnng

Is that really an agdg game?

>>161419917
>implying Unity isn't built with "outdated and inefficient techniques"

>>161419982
The player collides with an enemy on the overworld and both are taken to a turn-based battle screen. When the battle is finished the enemy is destroyed on the overworld.

>>161420045
Good for you.

>>161420324
The power of using a premade engine

>>161420324
nice lego harry potter DS clone

>>161420324
Now we're talking.

>>161420438
Yes, and I abandoned it because drawing glyphs with your mouse started to suck some serious dick after about 5 minutes.

>all that talk about muh custom engines
>still no finished game

>>161420463
How is that difficult?

>>161420463
>The player collides with an enemy on the overworld and both are taken to a turn-based battle screen. When the battle is finished the enemy is destroyed on the overworld.
That's basic bitch stuff and easy to do in Unity.

Are enginedevs retarded? What's going on here?

>>161419405
Yeah, the overly sad lore was interesting, but it didn't suit the type of story I would be going for. Besides, most people wouldn't want to look at a character that is cripplingly depressed all the time

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Ok i'll stop

>>161420738
>>161420835
Give me a run down, then. Where does the responsible code go, for instance? How do you change scenes while being able to resume the previous one and do something based on the outcome of the battle scene?

What are some good gamedev related books to read on my way to uni?

>>161420685
>all that talk about drag and drop development kits
>still no finished games

>>161420924
redden them cheeks n' nose up son

This engie shit is too triggering for me. I don't know why it's so hard for them to see that they really are reinventing the wheel because the explanations they give for it just make no sense.

>>161420928
I'm pretty sure your example refers to my game. I will say right now that I'm pretty shit so don't use me as a meter of judgment for the engine.
Anyway, the way I do it is saving the name of the enemy from the overworld in a static variable, then after the battle is over, the overworld searches for that enemy and destroys it.

>>161420463
Assuming you mean like a SNES JRPG, I'd have two root GOs: one for the overworld and one for the battle. When a collision in the overworld occurs, disable the overworld GO and activate the battle GO passing in the world GOs to a SetupBattle() method. When the battle is over, update the world GOs accordingly and re-activate the world GO.

I wouldn't try to do it with multiple scenes / LoadLevelAdditive, that'd be a complete mess.

>>161420928
Don't change scenes, manage your overworld and battle scene objects in a single scene, disable/hide the other when toggling between.

You're deliberately looking for obstacles to gamedev instead of seeing the obvious solutions. This is why you can't gamedev and are an enginedev. Don't worry, you're not the only person with this affliction, but it's hard for us actual gamedevs to understand the world of enginedev. Because it's stupid.

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>>161420536
>https://youtu.be/xoM9JQW7wOc?t=470
DELET

>>161420997
http://www.homph.com/steam/

>>161421116
Not bad, I guess.

>>161421174
>>161421187
Horrific.

Is it true that danny hates engine devving because it means he can't just steal assets and has to actually work

>>161421329
who

>>161421305
>Horrific

Passing data around the same scene is horrific? You might have downs son.

>>161420928
>How do you change scenes while being able to resume the previous one and do something based on the outcome of the battle scene?

Retard here, but I guess it's all about saving one gamestate in one table, taking data from enemy's table, freezing the table and hopping into second gamestate table where you have combat, if you win, you simply delete enemy's table when you return to first gamestate.

>>161419930
Thanks senpai, its definitely supposed to be a "see that server? you can hack it" kind of game. Bottom up versus top down. It also makes design easier, because rather than having to come up with how to do something, I can just read how its done in the real world, to an extent. And lastly, I'm hoping it'll strip away some of the "black box" feeling of technology, so if someone is intimidated by the command line in real life, maybe playing will show them its not some arcane thing thats only for wizards.

>>161421116
>>161421305
Though if you continue to use globals for everything eventually it will become very hard to maintain. They're an easy way out but dangerous.

>enginedev is ranting about danny again
This almost never happens

>>161421473
I know, that's why I'm trying to study serialization so that I can easily save and load custom datatypes etc making everything easier to maintain.

>>161419690

That webm reminds me of OLEDs I saw a while ago

https://youtu.be/-uazGyw99e0

I can't seem to find the exact same one, but this is pretty much the same thing.

>>161421459
Doubling game objects up for overworld/battle is pretty bad, yeah. How do you make sure they're kept synchronized without resorting to globals anyways?

>>161420924
gud snow

>>161420682
Mouse drawing sucks, but maybe if it were a preset array of blobs on the screen you had to mouseover instead. Like instead of drawing a hexagon, you'd select the points that formed one, versus the points that formed the star.

>>161421603
Can you not just figure these things out yourself?
Your original assertion that any of this would be difficult in Unity has been dismissed and you're still asking inane questions.

>>161421467
>>161421576
>serialization
Also horrific solutions.

Listen, there was no question that Unity could or could not do this. It's at what cost. Just trying to get you guys to think about it a bit.

>>161421690
Well the problem isn't fully solved yet.

Of course I can do it myself. Do I want to have to spend effort on working around shit? No, I want to just do it, even if it means retreading some ground.

>>161421603
>Doubling game objects up for overworld/battle is pretty bad

Where did you infer that? When you call SetupBattle(OverworldPlayer, OverworldEnemy), it creates a local battle representation with a reference to its overworld counterpart -- how else would you have say, detailed battle sprites versus the 1 tile tall world sprites?

>>161421636
That could work. My idea was that the more accurate the drawing, the more powerful the spell. Maybe I could come up with some other kind of gimmick instead though. Your suggestion is a good one, I just wonder if people would prefer to just press a button at that point instead.

>>161420997
Risk of Rain

I done little myself, because I was trying (with little effect) to use a framework despite scope being small enough that I could just use a Gamemaker.

>>161421763
How would you do it in a custom engine and how much time would it take?

>>161421603
>How do you make sure they're kept synchronized without resorting to globals anyways?
By not being a retard and being able to program?

FFS I thought you enginedevs prided yourself in being "programmers"

>>161421763
>working around shit?
Once again the only shit proven to exist here that needs working around is your weapons grade autism.

Enginedevs are a literal mistake. You should all be shipped back to /dpt/ in /g/.

>>161421763
Why is serialization bad?

>>161421791
>manage your overworld and battle scene objects
>I'd have two root GOs: one for the overworld and one for the battle.

>how else would you have say, detailed battle sprites versus the 1 tile tall world sprites?
Well you certainly shouldn't need two separate game objects for that. E.g. one game object implements both an "overworld" interface and a "battle" interface so data gets shared between the two easily.

>>161421853
I'm not asking how to do it myself, I'm asking is there a way that works in Unity.

>>161421950
Nice argument.

>>161421961
Serialization in order to work around this stuff? Yeah, especially when you hear the other horror stories about Unity's flawed and limited serialization.

>>161422026
You didn't answer my question.

>>161421257
I can't, I'm making game