/twg/ - Total War General

I WANT TO PLAY AS PONTUS

Elves are shit.

Butthurt M2 autists.

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Nihon
Nihoff

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i want to play AoC but i cant get over that there's hardly any units

>>161399472
The real butthurt is you that feels the need to cry about anyone criticizing warhammer.

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We'll always be friends, won't we, Gobbla?

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>survive the first wave of chaos
>chaos arrives two turns later

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>>161399474
>Kamikaze suicide squads.

>>161399493
Maybe not per playable faction but almost every minor faction got some unique units. You just gotta catch em all.

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I'm going to marry her!

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Do you think the M2 autists are aware how stupid their arguments are or are they so delusional they genuinely think they make good points?

>build armory or whatever other equivalent
>+5% whatever
>translates to literally nothing in practice, on anything but the highest tier units
>can't retrospectively maintain armies of shitty units, with concrete number (ie, +10 charge) buffs attached
Why did they do this in Rome 2? Absolutely retarded.

Not to be a nostalgist - but did they change this back to the old way in Warhammer or Attila? I remember in M2 and S2, being able to maintain armies of ashigaru and spear sergeants that were actually competitive and worthwhile in bringing. Sure it took awhile to build up the facilities for it, but after you'd built up the recruitment province, you'd get levy tier units with stats that put them on a level where they could stand a chance of competing with professional units.

The Rome 2 system meant that levy units were forever doomed to be shit, and stat boosts were only worth it on already high tier units, and even then it wasn't great. In Rome 2, I feel that my levies are never ready, and it upsets me.

>>161372842
>Medieval III never
>thinking it would live up to Med 2 or even Med 1 at all
what a meme

>>161399989
so the series has been going down hill for a while then?

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>10 days until launch
>still no battles or big intro to campaigns
>nothing on lore of life or shadow
>DUDE SPELLSWINGERS LMAO

CAs marketing department is fucking disgusting

>>161400051
% bonuses are still in Warhammer and you can't even change taxes in it

>>161400360

They told us yesterday that we're getting battle gameplay Wednesday you fucking autist.

>>161400224
Yes.

>>161400495
why do people praise attila's campaign map then?

>>161395698
Ghost dads aren't Legendary Heroes

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

>warhammer + dlc's
oh fucking hell it's expensive

>Watching HoCs Snarsnik playthrough
>It's a goblin Vietnam episode

https://youtu.be/hExX9EdmbRk?t=2171

>>161400582

They do?

The Attila campaign map is awful, there are ZERO actual decisions to make it's just a bunch of busy-work

>>161400940
Just get the stock game. Chaos and Beastmen both suck dick anyways.

>>161400982

>Turn 65
>Hasn't expanded outside of one province

fukken wot?

Why do people in this general keep posting the same memes with the same images over and over and over again.

Am I on fucking [s4s] or something.

>>161401004
have you not been reading the threads as of late?

>>161400582
It's an improvement over Rome 2 but still suffers from some really retarded game logic like blocking the strait between France and England with a ship does nothing to protect it from land armies. And Warhammer is Attila's campaign map with pretty much all your control stripped away from you. You can only tax or exempt provinces and the campaign map is pretty much on autopilot.

>>161401048

Beastmen are fun to play and would be perfectly worth buying if the shitty mini-campaign was cut out and the cost lowered by 5-7 bucks.

Chaos is shit though.

>>161399493
Just use one of the radious tier mods that adds some Frankish dismounted knights (heavy archers) (Brave...for a frank)

>>161401004

>ZERO actual decisions
>bunch of busy-work

I'm just confused by this, as opposed to what exactly?

>>161401048
>>161401214

Why is chaos bad?
I haven't played the game yet and I was really looking forward to chaos.

>>161400051
Levies ARE supposed to be shit, what the fuck would be the point if they could rival professional units?

>>161401143
Take it easy

>>161401189

It's just people who are butthurt about Warhams being "casualized" and are clinging to absolutely anything to prove it

See: >>161401196

Warhammer putting the campaign map on auto-pilot is a good thing.

Obviously it would be preferable if they made the campaign map actually deep with actual gameplay in it and meaningful choices to make. But if we're gonna have a braindead Attila style system where there every choice on the campaign map is signposted and obvious then there is no reason to not just have it literally run itself so the player can get to the fun part (The battles)

>>161401196
>It's an improvement over Rome 2
not really selling it to me.

>Warhammer is Attila's campaign map with pretty much all your control stripped away from you.
I'll agree on this.

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Pygmies when?

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>>161401048
oh well. I can't understand why the dlc's are so pricy. I would even have to pay for blood decals what the fuck. Perhaps it's better to wait till they make better deal

>>161401143
Bunch of faggots trying to imitate the Tomb Kings guy. The literally unplayable one has to be the worst.

>>161400126
It can eaisly become better than medieval 2 if it has as good unit responsiveness as TWW and Attila and just base it sieges of Attila.

>>161401495
I want the Med 1 or 2 map back. I also think they could add some more things on the Warhammer campaign map(which is what i'm hopping the future expansions will do).

>>161401534
FIMIR WHEN?

>>161401338
I love playing Chaos in the battles, their heavy infantry with monsters is great yet their campaign is straight up the worst I'v played out of any total war.

It's mainly running in circles in the tundra trying to make all the tribes loyal.

>>161401636
>those web articles clinging to whatever they can come up with to try to claim that the models aren't racist

>>161401534
>>161401773

>A fantasy race whose only unique characteristic is that they reproduce entirely through rape of human women

What a great idea.

>>161401004
The campaign map features of Attila like internal politics are neat. The problem is they don't do enough. The loss of the current system wouldn't be big.

>>161401338

The Chaos Campaign is the very definition of tedium.

They're fun enough in battle, if a little on the weak side, but the amount of time you'll spend on the campaign map auto-resolving piss-easy battles and doing a whole-lot of nothing will make you question your sanity.

>>161401606
I'm not selling you anything. They went back on some of Rome 2's retarded design decisions such as no more instant sieges as soon as you attack a castle, constant penalties as besieger, a much longer period of besieging before attrition kicks in tied into the settlement damage in the campaign map (that could be accelerated with artillery in the army), no more civil war where stacks spawn on your capital or half your faction turns against you in a nonsensical way. They even added features for once with the family tree system and garrison buildings. Army limits still stayed in and navies were worthless apart from sniping hordes crossing the ocean.

>>161401915
Japs would agree

>>161401347
>what the fuck would be the point if they could rival professional units?
The point would be increased depth to the game. A reason to specialize provinces. Some sort of reward for going out of the way to research the relevant technologies. A reason to actually take non-elite tier units in the late-game, and have mixed armies, that isn't also fucking yourself over in a big way.

What's wrong with the idea of there being an option of researching and upgrading a province so your spear-men can wear the same armour, and hold the same shields, as your elite sword infantry?

It's a bland late-game when all that's worth bringing are the highest tier units. If you can't get a throwaway unit to be anything but a throwaway unit, what's the point in ever taking them? I'd like to think that I could develop my lands enough to give my peasants some chain-mail to wear over their tunics, and a role on the battlefield.

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>>161401915

Speaking of mixed armies, I didn't see anything in the FAQ about any base types of armies. If I have two armies, should they both be balanced or should I have one focused on, say, infantry and another focused on anti-large and hope I don't get the rock to my scissors?

>>161402186
Depends on what game you're playing. Peasant spearmen will not stop heavily armored gothic cavalry in Medieval but it will in Shogun 2.

Is the a building guide/program for max money in Attila?

>>161402280
Warhammer, typically Empire. I think I have a problem balancing my armies because I've been put in battles against considerably weaker opponents and somehow scraped by with Close Wins despite the advantage.

>>161400224
Not really, Attila's sieges were amazing bar some annoyances like >losing melee attack

And Warhammer has set a new low, only the fact that Warhammer's combat is the best in the series hides that

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>>161401915
>fantasy

>>161402806
how about it's campaign map though? isn't it worse than Med 2 or 1? and isn't med 2 campaign map worse than med 1? also
> Warhammer has set a new low
how so?

>>161400360
Elffags want their anime waifus. Even CA knows that.

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>>161402876
>Not welcoming the Faction of Peace, Hygiene and Fun Camping Trips

>>161400360
There's a stream tomorrow, nerd.

>>161402806
>And Warhammer has set a new low, only the fact that Warhammer's combat is the best in the series hides that
No way. Visually? Yes it looks really nice even without fancy matched animations but they just stripped out too much. I can't even put my damn troops in loose formation. You have more control over your men in Shogun 1. Also push/pull mechanics are severely lacking in Warscape.
>inb4 warscape is just the renderer!

>>161401879
Get "The Uncivilised North" mod. It splits up the Norscans into 7 different tribes and changes Sigvalds recruitment condition to razing Kislev.
Also lets Kraka Drakk stay in the game longer.

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That spellslinger video was a bit disappointing, but I guess it serves as filler until Wednesday.

Also I do hope they have some variants for appearances, because I'm not really that fond of the standing up hair version. Some of the ones in the concept art looked a lot nicer in my opinion.

>>161403868
singer, not slinger

>>161398738
uh..

What

>>161403372
how's attila then?

>>161400360
>[autistic rambling]

>>161402054
Man, i love gors. They feels so meaty and vicious, just like they should be. It's a shame that they are too expensive in multiplayer, and you are forced to bring 90% of shitty ungors.

can i be a horsefucker in memehammer?

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1-3 Ebdanians
4-6 Picts
7-9 Caledonians
0 Garamantia

>>161404070
It's better than Rome 2 but they did some really retarded shit with the balance. WRE has some of the worst infantry in the game instead of having the best, no guard mode whatsoever, no way to directly order troops to throw pila/plumbata. Solid battle speed and probably the best sieges in the series.

Finished reading the beastmen army book and it's fucking finally time to play.

Out of all the factions, I think they are the least interesting. They are just big bad goats that literally want to shit on you, as mentioned several times in the book.

POO POO PEE PEE

>>161403372
>they just stripped out too much
I know about the loose formations but what else did they strip out(battle specific)?
>>161404385
>Solid battle speed
this is my biggest complaint with warhammer.

>>161403767
>When chaos invades and the player is a non-norscan faction the norscan factions will become vassals

Holy shit this might just make the Chaos campaign playable, thanks anon.

>>161404284
Ranged cav is kinda lacking in warhammer, as there aren't really any true horsefucker factions in the setting.

>>161404723
I think they mean NPC chaos.

>>161404049
Fuck, I don't know why I keep making that mistake.

>>161404506
They were always kind of the canonfodder type of thing. To be the throwaway masses to the elite forces of Chaos.

But then Skaven kind of took over that role as time progressed.

>>161404284

Not really.

Maybe when Woodelves come out.

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>>161404506
>Reading the 7th edition book for lore
>The book that actually removes most of the good Beastmen lore

>>161405289
>by Sigmar, NO

>>161404284
Unless the Kurgan get added in the Dark Lands or whatever the Chaos expansion is, probably not.

>>161405289
be honest with yourself anon
poosmearing barbar is what they are

>>161405289

It was the latest so I went with it.
Oh well.

>>161404284
with wood elves you can
Use your lord to buff missile damage, speed and ammunition for your elven units, train your lord to use a bow and give them a horse/eagle and then go to town with horse archers and warhawk riding archers

>>161405975
Not missing much, I've never seen anyone play beastmen and they are never prominent in the books or games.

I just bought Attila+dlc on the stem sale, any recommendations for first faction to play?

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While this is a nice map and I like how the Mountains of Mourn and the New World are set up, I doubt this will be the map we get. Ulthuan is way too small and there's so much wasted space with Naggaroth and Lustria.

Shift Naggaroth and Lustria to the left until the Spine of Sotek and the Black Spine mountains are the western border, like how the mountains of Mourn are the eastern most border. So it's sort of like the Med 2 map. Then make Ulthuan bigger and boom, it be pretty good.

Even moving it, there's still a lot of open land on the new world, and more room on Ulthuan. Unless they're going to make everything 1 settlement province with 10 building slots from now on.

>opening cinematic will only include first 4 factions

LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE

>>161404506

They used to be vaguely more nuanced then POO POO PEE PEE, but GW at some point decided to dumb down the lore and over complicate the TT because, fuck you bitch you have no where else to go, no one else will love you like I do.

But that's kind of the how all the races ended up. Cliched.

>>161406902
Any of the goths for a first time horde.

Sassanids as your first time big empire

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>Gobbo archers

any wagers on the next dlc? skaven or tomb kings or am i being optimistic?

>>161407274

I'd be willing to bet the expansion will bring a new cinematic. I mean, Napoopan, FotS and Attila all had new sparkly cinematics.

>>161407436
Skaven are 90% likely to be a launch faction with expansion 1

>>161407436
Going by the datamine list DLC 7 is up next, but honestly none of us really have a good idea for what it could be. It's going to be paid for, so it might be a Legendary Lord pack or something, but there isn't really many units to be added that doesn't break the "no paid dlc for paid dlc" rule.

As for the next race DLC, I'm placing my bets on Tomb Kings honestly. Skaven are probably going to be the fourth launch faction for the second Warhammer game.

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>>161407436

>>161407436

Neither, I'll be genuinely shocked if Tomb Kinks get added before the expansion. If I had to bet, probably another Legendary Lord pack (probably Dwarfs vs Greenskins again) coupled with Grombrindal in January. With Legendary Heroes bundled with the Bretonnia FDLC in February.

>>161404621
>>161404385
please reply

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>>161407436

They confirmed 4 races for the first expansion, which basically means High Elves vs. Dark Elves & Lizardmen vs. Skaven. Next DLC race is likely Tomb Kings but not until after the expansion drops.

Wood Elves DLC
>New Hero & Lore FDLC
>New Hero & Lore FDLC

Legendary Lord Pack (January)
>Grombrindal FDLC

Legendary Heroes (February)
>Bretonnia FDLC

Legendary Lord Pack (March)
>Vampire LL FDLC

Expansion Pack (April)
>Old Friend

>>161401880
Pygmies actually exist and dressed something similar to that in the 19th century

I'm not really sure why retards keep trying to say shit like "araby is racist because they draw their units from arabian folklore!" "cathay is racist because they look like medieval chinese!"

>>161404621
Other than completely neutered sieges they streamlined just about everything with how units work. Handgunners are the first thing that come to mind. In most TW games such as Napoleon or FotS, rank depth and width matter for balancing firepower with combat ability. In Warhammer your handgunners will shoot through/over eachother and never need to reload. Halberdiers behave like normal infantry unlike M2TW where they will move in formation and can form a deadly wall at the cost of mobility (and they don't drop pikes in M2 either). Cavalry charges can't wedge or dismount while in Shogun 2 and NTW you had dragoons and katana samurai that added an extra layer of depth to battles with infantry on horseback that could dismount to flank. Warhammer boils down to organizing a line, hammer and anvil, and using magic and all the streamlining removed interesting tactics you could pull off in previous games. You could stop a frontal cav charge dead in its tracks in Attila if you put units being charged in a defensive shield wall while other infantry threw precursors at them. Also something sorely missing from the rest of the series is units with tertiary weapons like Rome 1. There were certain cataphract units that could use armor piercing maces against other cavalry while engaged if you used ALT + right click.

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>>161408219
>Expansion Pack (April)

>>161406908
New World supposedly will have as many provinces as the current map

>>161404621
not him but
>formations (loose, wedge and others)
>arrow types (personally, no issue with this one but it's understandable)
>dismounting
>deployables?
>battle types (settlements, bridges...)
>giving troop control to the AI

>>161408682

Why? CA's turn around on expansions is 11-12 months. They've been working on it since before the base game launched. It's really not that unlikely.

>>161408219
>Grom is the FLC for January

Lazy desu

>>161408791
Anon's predictions which have 1 DLC per month are overly-optimistic in the extreme

They've clearly been increasing the time between DLCs (1.5 months between GG and KW, 1.5 months between KW and RotWE) on purpose

>>161408791
Remember how anons said that we'll be getting shit elves and based knights in september?

>>161408948
Considering how insane the fans get with DLC gaps just proves its working.

>sale will end at 1 pm
>assume this means pacific time
>no it meant 1 pm

Thanks gabe

>>161408790
Being able to instantly change arrow types in the field is arcadey and makes archer units far too versatile. Handgunners/Thunderers are already a hard enough sale without quarrelers/crossbows becoming even more powerful.

>>161409921
>waiting until the last few hours of the last day of a week long sale

You have nobody to blame but yourself. Thankfully, the Christmas sale is not far off.

>>161410137
I don't care about arrow types but I expect CA jews to add a unit DLC with different shot types.

>>161408219
What if the vampire LL is a new faction down south to go with the tomb king expansion ?

>>161410256
Do you think we'll see a TWW sale on christmas?

>>161410409
I think we'd sooner see a Mousillon subfaction than one down south.

>>161410671
I imagine so, seeing as that is around the time the Grombrindal 20% off promotion ends.

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>>161407593
>Skaven most monetizable faction
>blown in an expansion

Just don't see that happening. I imagine Skaven will be a preorder DLC just like Chaos or £15 on their own and they won't have the complete roster. Expect another £15 in DLC before their full roster is available.

>>161411125
Skaven can be part of the 4 in the expansion. Then you can monetize them by adding a clan pestilence vs sotek mini campaign.

>>161410137
Wood Elfs will do that, some Archer units have variants with specialized ammo

>>161411125
Well who else would it be? They already said they are changing their initial plans and having four factions included in the base second game. It was originally just the Helves, Delves, and Lizards but now there needs to be a fourth force there.

And there really isn't any aside from the Skaven. Unless you count the Daemonic elements, but that obviously isn't fucking happening until the 3rd game.

>>161410671
Possibly, it would be a decent way to get more sales for them before they do a release with the Old World Edition.

Alright lads

Middenland or Beastmen? Are beastmen less shit in SFO?

>>161411637
well if we assume 4 base races, High Elves, Dark Elves, Daemons and Lizardmen. Skaven wouldv be the chaos DLC.

>>161411820
you can't do demons as one faction.

>>161411820
Daemons are the absolute big-bads of the game and are radically different depending on the god in question, there's no conceivable way that they won't be the last expansion.

>161399605
>to be honest I prefer Med 2 over Attila. At least when it comes to the politics/management systems.
but there are 0 politics/management systems in med2, family tree does nothing but tell you who your next heir is

there is very little interaction with the player

>>161411860
what the fuck are you talking about? They have an army book in 8th, as a faction. It makes sense since if they ever add the chaos wastes then next expansion is the time to do it. It comes down to how jewwy CA feel they can be this time, but people will get pissed if you need a whole expansion for Skaven especially if they start in Lustria.

>>161411820
Daemons would be four separate factions at the very least anon. You don't just shove the four gods forces into one thing, that would be a cluster fuck.

>>161412168
Daemons would have to be 4 factions. There's no daemons undivided. Are you even thinking with any of that gray matter in your head?

>>161412165
You can't even set your heir without mod workarounds.

>>161412237
Except they have an army book where they all team up.

The lore excuse isn't that convincing, true, but you're acting like a smug asshole when there's already a clear example of a unified daemonic army.

>>161412242
You shouldn't be able to change your heir in Medieval anyways due to succession laws.

I just got TW Attilla

Its the first modern one ive bought since medevial 2. I prefer this to other modern ones, but the unit collision is still god awful
I'm looking for some mods to make the combat better. Primarly, i really would like to know if there are mods to fix 2 problems for me.
1) Fix the unit collision or the combat so that units in a choke hold can hold their own and arent just overwhelmed
2) something to remove the fucking retarted kill moves

And/or something to make the combat more like med 2 in general

Also is the general consensus that the old games are better? or am i just and oldfag?

>>161404385
>no way to directly order troops to throw pila/plumbata
false, there actually is a way, even if it retarded
>WRE has some of the worst infantry in the game instead of having the best
desu, the WRE army was in a decline for a long time by the start date of Attila there is no reason they SHOULD have the best infantry, besides they released plenty of patches and have significantly buffed roman units

>>161412464
>succession laws
bitch im the king i do what i want

>>161412464
Which were hardly universal across the factions.

>>161412491
Except the WRE was still known for having some of the best infantry in the world even way past their peak. Barbarian Invasion properly represents this. In Attila the WRE are known for their crossbowmen apparently.

>>161412464
There have been many different types of monarchies back then. Several of them even were elective monarchies.

>>161412484
Fuck off

Call me dumb, but i installed the realistic battle mod and it doesnt seem to be having an effect

How to I make the mods actually work? Like once ive downloaded them from the steam workshop

>>161412484
>or am i just and oldfag?
this desu, if you at least didn't mention med2 which is a terribly broken, even if a very fun game

>>161412202
Daemons have been a faction for 5 years now, CA will just order it as usual and give you upkeep discounts with different lords like valkia, vilitch etc.

>>161412484
>Also is the general consensus that the old games are better?

Medieval 2 isn't upheld as the what every total war should aspire to be. People are more "aware" of the serious issues that game has I guess. I am also an oldfag, but I find the medieval 2 nostalgia to be pretty annoying. It isn't actually a well made game 2bh

will i like radious for attila if i like dei for rome 2?

>>161412484
>general consensus
yes anon, the old games (med/shogun 1) are objectively better

>>161412697
First time ive been in this general, just wanted some help to improve the base game

>>161412484
Check out tuskmod.
and med 1 is much better than med 2

>>161412570
the roman infantry after the buffs is actually very strong, partially due to them being pretty much immune to missile fire and cavalry charges

>>161412817
is this a joke

>>161412484

The kill moves(frequency) have already been reduced by a lot but there are some mods on the workshop that removes them entirely probably.

>Fix the unit collision or the combat so that units in a choke hold can hold their own and arent just overwhelmed

Pretty sure they can do that just as well as medieval 2.

>>161411791
Please reply

>>161412837
A year ago this general would have agreed with you but it has been infested with /tg/ tards and CA apologists.

>>161412943
?

>>161412817
Those two mods aren't comparable at all.

>>161412797
To be fair, if the leak holds true, then the second expansion will be built around the 4 chaos gods, adding daemons. So we might see god specific daemonic factions.

>>161413030
Come on m8. A lot of people still like medieval 2. People are just more accepting of the newer games even if some of them have serious issues. It's the same as with medieval 2 really, which took a while for a lot of people to realize.

>>161411125
Monetize via subfaction/lords/unit DLC in addition to requiring an expansion, anon.

>>161413030
Mod is just 2016-speak for cheat code. Cheating shouldn't be encouraged.

>>161413549
t. /xcg/

>>161413549
wew lad

>>161410256
>>161410256
>hurr

There are reasons you don't understand but in any case most of the fucking time in the past the sales have ended at "10 am" or whatever and that always meant pacific time.

And in any case this entire thing is fucking retarded since the Christmas sale is in 2 weeks anyway and it lasts two fucking weeks, why not just have a whole month of sales instead so it isn't such a pain in the dick

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holy fuck

>>161413402
It's very obvious /twg/ and TW:W's fanbase are full of completely different people. If CA released one faction with a tacked on mini campaign for $19 a year ago their fanbase would have burned their offices down.

>>161413402
>which took a while for a lot of people to realize.
it took some targeted shitposting from me, the webm anon, and others who were tired of people pretending med2 is a perfect game and not a seriously broken, even if fun, title

>>161413663
is it shit?

>>161411125
You're a fool. CA said "no DLC for our DLC". They don't count expansions as DLC. Therefore, they can get more money out of the Skaven by releasing Lord packs. After all, Skaven have made enemies out of basically every race.

>Skaven vs Lizardmen pack ~ $8 ($8 total)
>Skaven vs Greenskins pack ~ $8 ($16 total)
>Skaven vs Dwarves pack ~ $8 ($24 total)

Just an LL pack for Skaven vs any non-DLC race and Skaven have made more money than a single ~$19 dollar race pack that CA has stated they won't release DLC for.

>>161413135
how are they different?

>>161413638
it said it ended at 10 am pst for me senpai, which is 1 pm est

>>161411125
You keep posting this and you're wrong. There isn't fucking any other faction of importance in the new world besides the skaven or the daemons

And since Skaven wouldn't be considered DLC they could make all the DLC they wanted, and having Skaven unplayable in the first game unless you owned the second would provide a better impetus to buy the expansion and then all the redditrat fans can buy the queek expansion too and the hellpit expansion.

>>161403868

>The meet the Speelsingers video only has one hairstyle

C U T T I N G
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>>161413715
I made those webms last year and medieval 2 is a better game than warhammer.

>>161413672
that's because a year ago they only needed to do reskins of human men and write some flavour text

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>>161413719
Hilariously shit

Aircraft and tanks are treated siege engines with invisible crewmen

>>161413663

>>161403868
Middle elf with her hair down is far better than the others.

>>161413672
Not a year ago but maybe before that.


>>161413715
>pretending med2 is a perfect game

Funny how much "CA apologist" that is.

>>161413831
>medieval 2 is a better game than warhammer.
I agree, but med 2 isn't perfect by any metric

>>161413832
and now they do the same thing but add some magic abilities

>>161412382
No one cares about your clear examples you retard

It is monetarily better to have four factions because the Daemon expansion will be able to be billed as four factions even if they are all the same daemon race

And in fact they'd justify it by making tzeenchians unable to recruit khornates, effectively making them separate races with some units in common

>>161413929
>add some magic abilities
by reskining golden hounds and fate of bjuna

>>161413729
Radious is just easier vanilla with more armies and more units(making every faction do the same). Doesn't focus a lot on historical/realism

>>161413751
It said it ended at 1pm for me. Before they used to put the ending time in pacific time. So thanks gaben for changing things.

>>161413728
so you seriosuly beleive Warriors of Chaos are getting khorne juggernauts, Slaanesh fiends and the warshrine for free?

>>161413672
The only flaw with their racial DLCs before was that they billed Beastmen as one whole faction. Having all the LLs in one faction was a bad design choice to begin with.

>>161414158
More likely that those units just won't be added, or they'll be given out when you buy one of the expansions or one of the Chaos race packs.

>>161413831
>medieval 2 is a better game than warhammer.

I can see it, but the more polished and responsive battle system of TWW has definitely spoiled me. I have found tons of fun in both of them though.

>>161414158
>Warriors of Chaos are getting khorne juggernauts, Slaanesh fiends and the warshrine for free?
Not him but Warriors of Chaos =/= Chaos

Daemons of Chaos is a totally different faction that will be their own DLC.

>>161414158
Daemons are going to be an expansion on their own with the realm of chaos represented in some way

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>>161413928
It's not my favorite game in the series but I regret ever making those webms. They were from large /twg/ MP battles which naturally have all sorts of weird bugs when you're sending troops all over the place. Now they're used in response to any criticism of modern TW as if to discredit 15 years worth of TW games because the troop AI bugged out when 3 players ordered their entire armies through narrow gaps in walls.

>>161414415
Well, every siege battle being pretty buggy in medieval 2 is almost true.

I guess a lot of people got sick of a game they liked getting shot down by people worshipping a very flawed game. This goes both ways I guess(Funny how empirefags have almost gotten away with it).

Rome 1 still the best

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>>161414778
Med 1 and 2 are better (and better balanced) than Rome except for 8 player FFA

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>>161414415
>I regret making webms of things that discredit my supposed perfect game
>It's okay to have weird bugs because it was MP
>you can't criticize it because its 15 years old
Just shut the fuck up honestly, if you can't take people criticizing legitimate problems with old games then what the fuck makes you think you have the right to criticize the new ones? M2 was an unresponsive, buggy mess regardless of "how many players" there was in a battle. And that's not even getting in to the travesty that was siege battles. The single thing it did well was how adaptive it was and open to modding, that's literally it.

>>161414923
Rome 1 has the better responsiveness compared to med2 which is a huge deal for me

>>161413991
>No one cares about your clear examples you retard

Except most non-retarded people would.

When there's a clear example of something happening, you can't go "HAHA YOU MORON THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!" without maing yourself look like a total idiot and a dick to boot.

>It is monetarily better...
Stop moving the goalpost.

The kingdoms expansion pack is overrated

It's so funny how much a better job modders did

The americas campaign is the only interesting part about it

>>161414923
>>161415004
rome 1 is less broken then med2 desu

>>161414778
>Funny how empirefags have almost gotten away with it
because they openly admit that empire is broken

>>161413991
>>161412237
The only retard here is you, anon.

>>161415004
And had working pikes and secondary weapons. I can understand the fire by rank thing not working out the way it was envisioned for the musketeers but the pike thing is just baffling to me.

Rome = Med 2 => Shogun 2 => Attila=Warhammer > Napoop> Empire > Rome 2 desu lads

M1 and S1 go into the literally who cares category

>>161415215
>because they openly admit that empire is broken

Or because /twg/ wasn't really a thing then.

>>161415125
ca never even bothered to port the improvements over into the grand campaign, pretty fucking shameful display

>>161415125
Crusades was pretty alright too, but yeah, America's is the highlight.

That feel when fending off 10k~ indios with ~1000 Spaniards. Goddamn heroes, the lot of them.

>>161415334
>Attila shares a place with Warhammer

Are you me? I would put them slightly higher though

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Anyone had luck getting 1078 working?

I can't get models to show up

>>161408790
>>formations (loose, wedge and others)
I'll agree that they should've had that for most armies except factions like VC and Orks.
>>arrow types (personally, no issue with this one but it's understandable)
Ok
>>dismounting
Never really used this but I can see why it's a bit disappointing
>>deployables?
Same as above. Plus I never had much use with besides stakes. We need stakes back
>>battle types (settlements, bridges...)
Agreed on this.
>>giving troop control to the AI
I never used this once. Infact it's one of the things I don't like in med 2. Assisting armies are ai controlled.

>>161415362
Yeah this was pretty shit. There weren't even that many improvements which was also shit

>>161415517
>Fucking barons stealing my horse

who here /mangonel/

not Shogun 2 mangonel though

we do not speak of that atrocity

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>>161415004
Rome 1 is too responsive and as a result makes cavalry even more overpowered than M2 even if you use it right

>>161414976
Putting words in my mouth aren't you? Reposting the webm of trolls on walls causing weird behavior when they're launched is not a "legitimate problem with old games" or BTFOing nostalgiafags. Nobody will defend the broken pikes or guns but they slide because neither were a focus of medieval warfare and only show up at the end of the game and there's more than enough content in the game itself. CA had to fix sieges by neutering them completely and fixing campaign AI by imposing artificial army limits tied to provinces or tech on everyone. The fact that people to this day still play Medieval 2 online is a testament to the longevity of the MP and the options they gave you. Attila and Rome 2 are already pretty much dead.

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>>161415718

>>161415752
> Attila and Rome 2 are already pretty much dead.

Yeah, sad. Hopefully CA will do more for Warhammer MP. The item customization thing was really good, but CA are too slow.

>>161415931
if they brought back FFA that would get me playing MP desu

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>>161415838
Preasu deletu~

>>161408592
Thought the hand gunner thing was because they had problems with responsiveness (note haven't played fots or Napoleon)

>Also something sorely missing from the rest of the series is units with tertiary weapons like Rome 1. There were certain cataphract units that could use armor piercing maces against other cavalry while engaged if you used ALT + right click.
Do they have this in other TW?

>Warhammer boils down to organizing a line, hammer and anvil
To be honest this is mainly what I do in most TW

>>161414376
>>161414289
>>161414347

The units I listed are from the warriors of chaos army book. We also have the slaughterbrute, cockatrice and mutalith vortex beast to come though I half expect a bestial monstrous beasts DLC to add them. Still WoC is far from finished so they will have to DLC/FLC them at some point.

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>>161415718
It's not that bad with gold accuracy upgrades. Pretty useless otherwise.

>>161416062
Medieval 2 also supports it.

>>161415752
How is MP the better way to gauge game quality when a large majority never even touch MP apart from co-op/head to head?

Not to mention the "pikes or guns weren't a focus in the setting so its okay that they're not working properly". Right, and pikes and guns are a major focus of warfare in Warhammer? Sure, for one, arguably two factions. Out of how many exactly? You don't even realize how unreasonable your complains are when you don't apply the same standard to a 15 year old game that had a fraction of faction diversity to deal with.

>>161416450
>Out of how many exactly?
Four at launch for $60 USD

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I made a meme

r8

>>161416519
Intentionally missing the point just makes you look retarded. Fuck off if you only want to splerg your M2 autism and not actually provide reasonable arguments for your position.

>>161416280
Cannons are alright artillery because they can off cav easily, but I can say having played a campaign where post realm divide I had a gold accuracy mangonel in every army - I've never seen them get a direct hit, nor do anything of value in a siege.

I want to love them, but just can't.

Their only real use imo is that they convince the AI not to hillcamp.

>>161416450
>>161416651
but he's right senpai there are 4 factions

>>161416765
My problem with cannons is that they need a perfect line of sight to fire, and they can't fire over anything.

>>161416450
What else is there to gauge in Warhammer? The main campaign is barebones until they add expansions/DLC and if you want to gauge quality based on singleplayer, you look at Warhammer and the campaign map is one of the worst in the series just in front of Rome 2. The sieges are neutered and if you judge based on land battles, that's where M2 shines in terms of both mechanics and battle speed.

>>161416537

Eh

>>161416537
i like it

>>161416932
>M2 shines in terms of both mechanics

Not sure what you mean by this. Even a lot of their formation abilites have some bugs in them(making units peform worse for some reason)

>>161416789
How is this a counter argument in any shape or form? 4 races, by the way, not 4 factions. Not to mention you're judging a game over a decade old that's had all its patches and content and several massive overhaul mods released, while then comparing it to the most recent total war in the title which has only had a fraction of the time to be built up.

>>161416932
All I'm seeing is you not liking Warhammer, that's fine but it certainly doesn't make M2 any better if that's all we're going on. The lack of unwalled town siege battles is the only thing I'll give you, but Warhammer has things that M2 doesn't as well, so what the fuck does it matter? Acting like M2 is the best game ever is just your bias and personal preferences talking coupled with a healthy dose of nostalgia. You can't make clear cut comparisons to a game that hasn't been out on the market nearly as long, and even when you do you're not honest about it, as perfectly shown with the whole "Muh 4 factions" bullshit.

>>161416537
nice

>>161416932
>gauging Warhammer based on multiplayer
Anon, I think you are seriously retarded.

The game is gauged by the sheer variety of units and factions in it. There aren't many races, but they all play differently both on the grand campaign, and in battles (except for Beastmen), saying that isn't something it is gauged for is fucking idiotic.

And I'd rather have sieges where the AI isn't a complete dumbass than ones in Medieval 2 or Atilla will it didn't know what it did with itself. Always loved seeing the enemy AI just charge straight into the huge spikes I laid out for them in Medieval 2.

>>161417484
So I was looking up stuff about Vlad and apparently:
>Vlad almost won a war to become the eternal Emperor
>But Mannfred betrayed him by giving information about his ring to the humans
>He did this because he wanted to be Emperor instead of serving Emperor Vlad

Is Mannfred retarded? Like, why not wait for Vlad to become Emperor first, and then turn the Elector Counts on your side so that you can kill Vlad and take his place?

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>>161417648
>Is Mannfred retarded?
do you have to ask?

>>161417326
>4 races, by the way, not 4 factions
it's the same fucking shit quit grasping at straws

>>161417648
>then turn the Elector Counts on your side

That might be a problem if they don't see Mannfred as much of a threat as Vlad.

>>161417648
>Implying Manny can beat our lad Vlad.

>>161417746
By your logic then M2 only has 1 faction with a bunch of different starting positions. Honestly the only one fucking grasping here is you, because you genuinely don't have a good argument that isn't a fucking meme or being intellectually dishonest.

>>161417836
FUCKING PONTUS

>>161417836
>strength rating: 38
I hope he's memeing

>>161417736
disturbing how short she is, makes her knees look weird as fuck.

>>161417736
Yes, because apparently Mannfred is supposed to be super smart and super cunning.

>>161417749
>>161417750
Shouldn't his (supposed) superior cunning help win the day?

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>Steam page says Treeman Ancients use the Lore of Beasts
>In the Campaign video it uses the Lore of Life (like they do on the Tabletop)

God damn it get your shit together CA.

>>161417989
>Cunning (For a manlet).

>>161418052

Durthu uses beast

>>161417848
>By your logic then M2 only has 1 faction with a bunch of different starting positions
>le epic M2 roster is just different colored spearmen meme
anon pls

>>161418052

Does it show the rest of the spells?

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>>161418183

Right, but the Steam page says the generic lords do as well

>>161418052
>flesh to stone
Will we ever get actual fucking spell animations for kills? It's so fucking lame to see all the crazy flavor text on spells but they're all just some shitty 2D sprite floating above affected units and then just background math. If something dies to final transmutation turn that fucker to gold for christ sake. The spells already suck ass mechanically, least they could do is be flashy

>>161418285
>le epic Warhammer rosters are just different colored races meme
Want to keep going?

>>161418296

The video?

No, the only spell we see the stats for is Flesh to Stone

30+ armor buff for one unit, it's shit.

>>161418382

Flesh to Stone is a buff to be fair.

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I fucking love Averland now

>>161418526
Averheim will soon fall.

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>>161418526
I just wish there were more unit mods balanced for SFO so there could be more variety

>>161418526
By Sigmar, the grand Black and Gold color scheme of the HRE lives on!

>>161417326
I outright stated M2 isn't my favorite game in the series or perfect but you keep pushing the narrative that I am just a salty M2babby. I listed my problems with Warhammer's battles here
>>161408592 and my biggest problem with Warhammer is that they cut so many corners despite showing what's possible on the new engine with NTW, FotS, and Attila that there's more depth in Medieval 2 or even STW than their latest game. Maybe later down the line it will get better but I'm not willing to pay $300 for it.

In Shogun, is there any way to get bonuses from buildings and stuff onto units that you trained before you built it? In Rome 2 and Attila as well I guess.

>>161418710
I know that feel. I guess we could do it manually but I am not entirely sure what his balancing is based on. It seems most units have a tiny physical resistance buff

>>161418990
You can't retrain in Shogun 2. You can in Rome 2 and Attila.

>>161418990

In shogun 2 I've had units get the upgrades when staying a while in the settlement

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>>161418990
In Attila you just march into the region where you have the smithy or whatever and it lets you upgrade your guys

Pic related is an illustration I made around launch, it's accurate so you can disregard the question marks.

Build a unit in region A, before or after the smithy is completed, move it to smithy town and it lets you upgrade them.

>>161418887
Your a fucktard and you should feel bad. Go to Total War Center slav.

>>161419131
That sucks for Shogun 2. But for Rome and Attila, I know you can add armor/weapons/etc. to units, but can you add stat buffs as well?

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G O B L I N S

>>161418701
I dunno man, Großaverlande is pretty comfy

>>161419251
>but can you add stat buffs as well?

Not sure what you mean.

>>161418523
I put in kills as a concession. All those lore of beast buffs having actual animations would be cool but I wouldn't expect it.

Shit like lore of fire not having fucking flame weapons for sword of ruin is despicable though.
Like if they could do that shit for Age of Mythology god powers I'm sure 2016's Total Warhammer can fucking do it.

Matter of fact Age of Mythology had people turning to gold too!

>>161419276

Orcs are better.

>>161419331
>When you go from Grand Count to Grand Prince

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>>161417736
I see too much Dooger in threads.
>>161417951
She is female dawi.

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>>161419331
Pic related

>>161419335
I mean like the bonuses to melee attack/defense/charge/moraleetc. that some buildings give, like the martial temples in Rome 2.

>>161419452
That fucking "Women reject all the Dwarfs" event should at leat spawn you a free unit of slayers for your trouble.

>>161418990
>>161419251
In Shogun 2, it's best to retrain. If they've got high experience, instead of disbanding, I'll put the old ones on the quiet front.

The way upgrades work in S2 (non percentage, specific number stat improvements) means that they're a much more significant upgrade than they are in Rome 2, especially for lower tier units. In Rome 2, half the time it isn't even worth upgrading low tier units.

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Holy crap man.
I wanted to test out an (2) average empire army against ai chaos shennagans. It is tough. What units should I be using? Can hand gunners and crossbowmen focus fire giants? I didn't micro very much. I brought a lot of spear men just to try and hold the line but they broke in several places, and the greatswords couldn't hand chaos warriors and chosen.

>>161419943
They just want to migrate to where the umgi bulls are.

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Skeleshits btfo for attacking my allies

Do people really like the politics and family stewardship such as in Rome 2?

I never really know what the fuck is going on and it doesn't seem to have any effect on the game.

What am I missing?

>>161420091

Greatswords

>>161420289
warhammer plebs, everyone

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>>161420149

>>161420091
>Can hand gunners and crossbowmen focus fire giants?

Yes

Get something to scare away the trolls.

>>161420361
Wrong image. Hate mobile posting.

>>161420350
Napoopan was my first TW actually.

What do you like about it?

>>161420361
who bothered making this

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

>>161420289
Not really. I think Shogun 2 had it best out of the modern games. Haven't played Attila.

You could see who was who, and it wasn't a clusterfuck that made me want to ignore it, like Rome 2's was. Had some room to get unique traits, (not as many as I'd have liked), but it was polished. There are some things to it too, that you just can't translate to Rome 2. Man of the hour at a critical battle getting inducted into your family, getting the disloyal to commit sudoku, etc.

>>161420091

>Can hand gunners and crossbowmen focus fire giants?

Yes, giants go down in a snap if you focus fire them with 3-4 ranged units.

>>161420534
Clearly someone with a bone to pick. I thought it might be useful.

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>Averlands knights aren't black and gold
Should I just end this campaign now? What's even the point of going any further?

>>161420091

Make sure you get the charge off with Greatswords else they're not nearly as effective in my experience

You know, the primary reason I'm looking forward to Wood Elves isn't even playing around with the new units and shit, it's that they look like the first faction that might genuinely have an interesting Campaign map experience with actual meaningful choices to make.

>>161420350
The rome 2 version of the politics system is pretty boring to be honest.

>>161421053
seems to me like he's dismissing the family tree and politics entirely, and if he doesn't know how it affects him, he's probably prepping himself for civil war at the moment.

It's certainly a lot better in attila though.

>>161420904
I am definitely going to make an outpost in norsca and wait for Archaon. Also be general world police.

>Vassalize mod with wood elves

Might be fun.

>>161420904

Same, I'm looking forward to a faction who's objective isn't
>conquer the known world

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speaking of politics systems I really enjoyed the one in Attila, I just feel that they played it a bit too safe, same thing with integrity which was almost impossible to get into the read as a non-horde

I hope the next history tw will build upon Attila and make the systems much more integral to success. A combination of Attila's family tree, governors and inner politics with empire style government system would be cool

>>161420904
I'm looking forward to playing a pleb camper only bringing ranged units to cheese my victories with minimal effort. Likewise I want to turtle on the campaign map and they work better than the dwarfs

>>161421156
I agree. Rome 2 doesn't put it in a good light though I guess. You shouldn't do that kind of "inferiority complex" like response either way.

>it's a world is in tatters and none of the ai thinks to colonise the tens of razed settlements to fill in the power gap leaving you the strongest power in the old world since you control most of the settlements you can own episode
fuck it

>>161421156

It seems unnecessarily complex for something that has so little effect.

It's seems you're implying later in the game it becomes consequential.

Honestly I rarely get past midgame because managing so many cities becomes tedious to me.

What is the single worst unit in all of total war?

My vote goes to eastern spearmen in Rome 2, they can not beat any unit in their game 1v1 and route from a charge of anything, can't even brace against cav and are supposed to be spears.

>>161421486
>It's a "your rival elector count colonizes like crazy but your vassal elector count doesn't even try it" episode

Stop letting Ostland take your shit, Nordland

>>161421617
Rome 2 mob or med 1 peasants

>>161421673

>Rome 2 mob

You mean the most cost-effective naval unit in the entire game?

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>>161421673
MAWB

PLEEEEEBS

>>161421617
Nordic band in Attila die if you sneeze at them.

>>161421486
>it's a "chaos fucks with everyone but the settlements on the other side of the mountains" episode
At this point I might as well just play Dwarfs forever because all my Empire campaigns go to shit

>>161419479
>He still hasn't conducted Halfling genocide with Leitdorf
s m h t b h f a m

>>161420797
Take Talabheim, get knights of the Blazing Sun

>>161421673
You get what you pay for. Can't say that for eastern spearmen.

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>>161399229
Kinda related because of Elfs I guess

>be Wood Elf
>Courtier of Stunty Neighbour requests if I could teach him to be a better Master at Arms
>tell him to fuck off because fuck dorfs
>he replies this

now I feel like a prick.

Does VC have a higher-tier spear unit or should I forget about spears once I got grave guards and replace spears with a mix of grave guards and monsters?

>>161421658
Nordland never accomplishes anything, other than being a rat bastard and making Karl's Runefang questline obnoxious to finish.

What's the recommended split for a balanced 20 unit army in Warhammer? I typically go

>0-2 artillery
>2-3 ranged
>2-3 cavalry
>4-6 anti-large
>hero + Lord
>X amount of infantry

>>161422239
He is just waiting for you to have a drink with him so he can chop your head off to satisfy the grudge.

>>161422321

Forget about spears in the late-game, your go-to anti-cav/anti-monster unit late game is Blood Knights.

>>161422390

Depends heavily on your faction.

>>161422390
For a siege stack I pull 3 arties
Otherwise 2 or 1, depending how good the arty is, you. do need one tho, to prevent the AI from mountain camping

Then 4-5 ranged foot units, 1-2 ranged cav if avaible, 3-4 cav units, 4-5 heavy tanky infantry and the rest on damage dealers of any kind

>>161422390
Depends entirely what you are fighting and your faction. For empire, if you have an advantage, you can take an all ranged comp and literally have 0 losses, but if you meet a bigger army you'll get creamed. A good idea is to at least match the number of enemy melee units with your own melee units. Units like chaos warriors are tough as nails and could take on 3 swordsmen comfortably without breaking, so it is a balancing act.

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>>161421850
No wonder I could hold against their coastal raids without any difficulty

>>161421905
>no halflings
>no leitdorf
yeah I wonder why he hasn't?

>>161423123
They also get a serious stat debuff by doing a costal invasion. Your garrison marines can easily take out their general and his bodyguards because of it in a ship boarding battle.

This can make many of their units rout just by landing.

what is the dwarf's anti cav/anti large unit (excluding slayers since they're trash)

>>161423751
Siege weapons and massed crossbows

>>161423751
All ranged units are effectively anti large/anti cav. You are trash for thinking slayers are trash btw.

>>161399474
CA fucking please

>>161423751

6 Ironbreakers to hold the large units fixed, 2 Thunderers and 4-5 Quarrelers 1 cannon and 1 Slayer

>>161423751
>Slayers
>Trash
I can guarantee you aren't using them right. If another unit eats the charge, they can rip the shit out of cav/large.

>>161399229
how do i become a good pontuspro /twg/?

>>161423751
Bolt throwers
They do just enough damage to oneshot cavalry and they're reasonably accurate

>>161423959
>>161423868
They're pretty useless if you're fighting an army without large tho, like in my late game Angrund when I was just fighting other dwarfs

>>161424101
The problem there is that every Dwarf unit is pretty heavily armored with the exception of slayers and rangers. It's like trying to drive a nail with a knife. I can't remember how much AP slayers have, but I don't remember it being all that high.

>>161424021
just spam levy pike

>>161424101
the guy asked what the fucking dwarf anti large was you dip

Threadly reminder that the following are rightful Asur clay, and therefore rightful Asrai clay so from now on please refer to them with their correct names.
Dietershafen - Athel Toralien
Marienburg - Sith Rionnasc
Altdorf - Kor Vanaeth
Talabheim - Athel Maraya
Kislev - Athel Numiel
L'Anguille - Tor Alessi
Thank you

>>161417648
Mannfred destroyed the setting. Even the retard Konrad ended up generally more successful than him.

>>161424501
Just use thunderers and grudge throwers?

>>161419245
You know I'm right Extra and shilling won't get you that job at CA.