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retards

my build of choice for the new league is flameblast totems inquisitor

>>161091443
My build of choice for the new League is Essence Drain Occultist.

My build of choice for the new League is Mathil's Blade Flurry Assassin!

>>161091443
same
post tree

>>161091443
same desu. unless there is some drastic nerf or buffs to other skills

>>161091572
>watch his videos about blade flurry
>rips on every boss
>'it can do everything lad'

How is SRS currently? Leveling, end game viability? Does it work as a league starter or do I need some +3 staff and level 4 empower to see results?

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>>161091426

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>>161091994

>>161091443
I'm going Warchief Totems or Juggernaut EQ, definitely the former if patch notes allow.

>>161091804
good for leveling, viable for endgame, and performs somewhat well with relatively budget gear, and now getting a 5l +2 is trivial, and with that staff you can pretty much do anything up to t10 relatively easily.
Last league early in league it was popular as raiz was playing it, he was playing a CI version of the build that also got popular, since with essences you can craft a +3 bow, and you can do it on a crude bow which has very low stat requirements so it's easy to roll (you can get a proper ilvl base by vendoring 5 bricked rare silver branch), and a bow allows you to use a quiver with it, so it will always be better than a staff (the only downside is not being able to roll cast speed I think).
Obviously, the best choice for it is necromancer, there aren't any other ascendancies that offer anything as good as necro

>>161091804
It's fine for leveling, but link Melee Splash the second you get to the Prison.

so how hard will blade vortex get nerfed

poeurl.com/Rxm

Scorching ray inquisitor, what do you guys think? in the few videos i've seen it seems to be clearing trash extremely fast and does decent on bosses

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i have TWO of these now

what the fuck do i do with them

>>161093284
play with it until it gets nerfed

>>161092953
I saw this picture posted in reddit

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Best way to play Lacerate in HC without ripping and having acceptable offense?

Hege's WoE Slayer looks like it's okay for that purpose since you have another 6l for Cleave on bosses

>going to reddit
retard

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>>161091426
>>161091994
>>161092072
>>161092953
hi anime

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>>161094316

>>161093284
Do the memebuild of the week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9A-BUjHibc
otherwise, gib

>>161094553
[X] touch fluffy ears

>>161093815
I have no idea how hege got as much damage as he did on his WoE build. Once I hit t12+ I had to ditch wings and go soultaker+dps axe. That setup did a ton of damage but wasn't super tanky. Also dropped the voidheart at that point as it didn't seem to be doing much for damage.

>>161092832
Heart of Flame doesn't seem really good for SR, seeing as the penetration is useless and you get only 71% damage for 6 points. For those 6 points you could get Fire Walker -> Occultist's Dominion (60% damage, 15% fire res, 4% cast speed for 5 points) and have another point left for Sanctity which seems like a waste to skip.

Moreover, Blood Drinker + Shadow frenzy seems kinda... weird? For those 8 points, I'd rather pick Snowforged (43% damage for 3 points), Scion's jewel (0.7% regen, 7% life, potentially 10-20% damage for 3 points) and Nullification (5% life, 8% all res for 2 points). You lose 8% life and 1 frenzy but gain ~55-65% damage and some life regen.

Overall I think this'd make you tankier with the equivalent of +13% all res, +1.7% life regen and some ~50% damage increase at the loss of 8% life and a frenzy.

when is 2.5 so I can know if bf assassin is going to be meta or not

>>161095490
read the OP

>>161094553
What pair of ears does she process sound from?

>>161095675
human ears
fluffy ears are only there for the looks

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What's a good Co-op build to play with wife?

I played POE a lot back 4 years ago (played discharge templar on hardcore before), and now I'm back to play the game again. My wife and I are planning to play in the new breach league and I was wondering if there's any suggestions for 2 builds that would progress through the game easily together, not too expensive and can scale up. She's a very casual game (she played diablo 3 and liked it), so I don't want her leveling experience to be too difficult. She generally also likes flashy skills (played wizard in diablo 3), so that's one consideration. I personally don't care as long as the character can clear fast. I'd likely be partying with her the entire time, even when we farm in maps, so something with good synergy would be preferred. I may solo farm once in a while.

Thoughts?

Anyone else plan on playing mediumcore next league?

>>161096014
play a normal build and tell your whore to play necromancer aurabot. Make sure to properly train her so she can become your personal cumslut

>>161096108
She's my wife you moron you will not speak of her in such a derogatory manner

>>161095263
What's a good addition to Soul Taker?
Jack the Axe is recommended alot but that leech reduction hurts like shit on Slayer

>>161096014
what about your wife's son? will he be playing?

>>161096158
if you're the one wearing the skirt in this relationship maybe you should be the one playing aurabot and let your wife peg you

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What are the odds of GGG making Blight good? It was the only new skill I was excited for and it turned out to be a massive pile of shit, meanwhile nobody actually cares because they're playing Scorching Gay and Meme Flurry and those get 99% of the spotlight and attention

>>161096360
they will probably buff it, whether it will be viable or not depends on how much they buff it

>>161095370
That's a good analysis, cheers mate.

>>161096219
Just any high dps axe

>>161096360

With the new cast on channel it may be a quicker way to cast contagion without the cast delay

>>161097393
Wasting a socket so I can melee cast Contagion by a faster 0.25 sec hardly sounds like "making Blight good"

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I can't wait for the new league.
Gonna play a scorching ray totem chieftain and hopefully get to T10 at least. The new shield looks beastly for totems, hopefully it won't be like an ex or more.

>>161097990
I just want the new league to start right now

fuck these breaks

>>161097182
The thing with WoE though is that you can use Cleave to deal with rares/bosses instead of lacerate because of the extra links.

I'll see what happens when I get that far into the new league.

ZiggyD or Neversink loot filter?

is Ryu our guy?

>>161098763
Default

>>161099083
How can people even play with default?

>>161098763
ShiggyD is shit, Neversink is the patrician choice

>>161099183
the default filter is not that bad, shows all rares, all Chanceables, they still need to fix a few bugs of priority but it's very good.

>>161099323
Neversink needs to stop only pretending skyforth is a good chance

>>161099183
Probably means the new one added in 2.4.2. Default is a bad name for it, since it's not actually the default filter.

>>161099485
learn how to edit a line of text.

>>161099612
As expected of grinding gears

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>poopigeons unironically think they're better than leetcore players

>>161099030
I prefer Ken

>>161098502
With a soul taker and three auras you don't need cleave. I found cleave to be a pain in the ass to use and conducive to getting my ass killed.

0-4 go to sleep
5-9 edge for 2 hours

>>161099485
>>161098763
And yet somehow 80% of bases are 'good' including 1h swords, axes & claws...

Use his colour scheme and make your own filter with it, like I did

>>161098502
>I'll see what happens when I get that far into the new league.
Check Hege's death with his character. It was complete bullshit and another reminder that melee range skills shit.

>>161101392
It was due to a bug, but that kind of stuff happens with volatiles a ton. My lacerater ripped in poorjoys.
One half second to slow on flasks and you get one shot by some trash, best way to stay alive is abuse the full screen range of lacerate.

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What's a good build to play while you're dressed as a catboy?

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>>161100037
you are all shit, the true "bestcore" is the "theorycraft builds - never play the actual game because its all the same meaningless shit that hasnt changed much since 1.3 or so"
>inb4 woah dude my ascendanices, build enabling unigues, muh snowflake builds, muh atlas, shitty map reskins and awesome unique new boss mechanics that dont matter
you are still spamming aoe at mobpacks, throwing traps at mobpacks, placing totems to kill mobpacks or summoning hordes to fight mobpacks for you. Such diversity, much variety

>>161102991
Memepaw single target incinerate max projectile speed.
It's like a really long stream of cat piss.

>>161093284
give one to me

>>161103659
I love how you tried to sound smart but came off as fucking retarded

>>161103687
>ST
>not slower projectiles

u wot?

has Essence ended yet?
too lazy to turn on the client and look myself

>>161105234
did i hurt your feelings? go buy some mystery boxes, make yourself happy

>>161105376
you're trying SO hard it's actually kinda cute lmfao

>>161105236
It's for the visual retard. Catbois do not deserve real builds.

>>161103659
in the end you're just clicking buttons in every game you stupid faggot

Anyone's cports not picking up PoE since the 64bit update?

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Is there anything this man CAN'T do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wPF0Y0oYNI

>>161106872
read maps apparently
>boss deals 30% increased damage
>263% increased critical strike chance
>+40% crit multiplier
>+54% increased damage
>78% extra fire damage
>+25% attack speed
>vulnerability
>lol let's run it with 7400 total hp xd xdxd

>>161106595
Post the macro on pastebin or something.

>>161107208
How much more damage would voll have done compared to a unmodded crit?

>>161107208
>>161106872
Bosses shouldn't be able to crit

>>161108327
>waaah I can't dodge dominus slam plz make game easier for me

>>161108359
I stand in the middle of that with a 4300HP Berserker. Yes, the one in Residence.

>>161108359
>I'm fucking retarded
Yea, we know buddy.

>>161107208
>>161106872
It's like

''oh no a map with hexproof let's reroll'' (super easy mods on it)

''Wauw extra monster and crit to everything, I'll do it''

And then afterwards he argues it's because he didn't get more ES gear. Even if he got more ES gear to boost his effective hp to 11k he would likely still get oneshotted due to all the damage mods.

Regular voll charge on shaped deals around ~4kish phys damage I believe. +54% increased is around 6kish + 4.8k fire damage, with 75% resist thats 1.2k so that means 7.2k damage. Crit multiplier of 1.7 = 12.2k.

It was stupid to not reroll that map. Especially since extra attack speed makes the charge pretty hard to dodge.

>>161108175
Even if you removed the crit mod and he got critted he would've died, possibly to a non crit as well since his build had no physical mitigation up at the time.

What is one true immortal build that doesn't rely on VP leech? I have a really bad connection and I'm tired of rerolling 50 times in a league

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I heard they're nerfing Blade Vortex to something like 5hits/sec max even at max blades. Is that true ? Can I get a link ?

>>161108505
Don't forget the vulnerability curse

>>161109253
softcore

>>161109330
What? Each BV hits at a fixed rate of twice a second, and there's no way to put a cap on the limit of hits per second except maximum number of blades * 2

>>161109253
totems

>>161109330
no one knows what changes there will be before 2.5. ggg is still "working" on it. check back december 1st.

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>>161109446
>>161109664
thx

>>161109253
Aegis builds are the closest you can get to passively immortal. They are heinously expensive and slow.
Other than that, varunastra glad 75/75 earthquake was what I used in perandus with shit connection and it was really tanky and had good damage.

>>161108327
if you get hit you're shit l2p git gud

>>161111336
Yea right I'll just play blade vortex pathfinder instead.

who else is playing self cast discharge next league?

>>161112051
shitters, mostly

>>161112051
other people who can't read gems or understand basic mechanics

>>161112051
Ziggy

>>161112051
It was in my list of potential builds but in a boss heavy meta i don't know strong a build that is essentially built around one shots, would be also reflect

Thoughts on Chieftain Burning Arrow Prolif with the new bow that gives free prolif?

Wondering if single projectile pierce is enough or if Ill need to pick up extra proj. Also worried about the damage as a non-crit build.

>>161112798
i think i'd still rather use a Chin Sol

>>161112798
The trick is it has 50% phys to fire so with AOF you can use split arrow / TS / BR / RoA for better AoE

>>161112798
Does going chieftan and drillneck add enough damage over elementalist and signal flare that it outweighs to perks of having a really good dps bow to begin with?

>>161113385
I know ill be at 150% Phys to Fire with the Bow/Neck/Skill, but this is about spreading a giant burn with a single shot. Burning Arrow has by far the largest base damage, and going Chieftain is already taking a toll on the damage.

>>161113417
The elementalist build is riskier, the point of going Chieftain is to sacrifice some damage for tankiness. I just dont know if the build has enough damage this way.

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Reasons to SSF_ladder at the start of Breach:

1: When you rip, just dont make your next character SSF if you want to buy/sell shit

2. you really dont need to buy / leech boss kills day 0, right?

3. you can post a screenshot of you above PT on the ladder every day when you shittalk him

cmon, itll be fun. honor systems are always fun.

is it worth going six nodes out of the way to get elemental overload when using a kongor's? obviously while using hatred and herald of ash

yes, it's like THE reason to use kongor's

>>161114569
SSF is the worst way to play PoE. Youre cutting out 50% of the fun.

If youre a SSF fuckhead then you should go play Diablo or Grim Dawn, because both of those are better games for that playstyle. But I will be putting a SSF tag on my character and cheating my way to the top.

>>161114569
I'm sorta new to the game what does SSF mean, self found or what?

>>161114885
SuperSaiyan Four

>>161114884
>But I will be putting a SSF tag on my character and

Good enough, happy to have you.

>>161114885
>self found or what
yes, there will be a separate unregulated ladder for characters that names start with "SSF_"
the idea being you are playing without trading or grouping

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>>161114569
you forgot

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>>161115381

>>161115565
I still don't know if his 2deep4u quotes are real or a meme

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>>161115656

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>>161116656
is this supposed to be ironic

life has meaning in the first place because its so limited


god projectpt is such a retard

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>>161116823

>>161112798
why would you not just go EA? burning arrow is fucking garbage

>tfw GGG will do fuck all for Life

>Blood Magic will still be super trash
>Flasks won't be changed at all
>EQ and AW will still be the best because built-in AoE and high damage

what is that non sense youre quoting

>>161114569
I like to roleplay with my characters and SSF_ is breaking the immersion so NO

>2015: ppt is such a shitter lmao
>2016: ppt is literally a god

it's funny how times change

>>161122810
nowhere but in your own deluded mind did that transition ever happen

>>161122810
ppt is still a pretentious shitter

he's only redeeming feature is that he actually sometimes asks good questions during dev interviews as opposed to mindless fawning.

>>161122810
That's what happens when every memester poeg liked stops playing.

>>161123029
>he actually sometimes asks good questions during dev interviews
lick your lips and tell us how projectloser's cock tastes like

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our guys:
havoc (semi-retired)
etup (semi-retired)
bob (retired)
hans (retired)
kripp (retired)

our girls:
esk
pressstarttopaws

reddit's guys:
mathil
ziggyd
raiz
projectpt
zeno (retired)
nugiyen (retired)

autists:
steelmage
mors (retired)
ghudda
bakedchicken (retired)
zizaran

irrelevant trash:
everyone not mentioned

>>161123446
esk hasn't played in 3 leagues

>>161123446
This almost as dumb as waifu wars.

>>161123527
t. someone not mentioned

>>161123527
even worse than waifu storage wars?

Firestorm:

>Works well with totems or selfcast
>Works with multiple ascendancies
>Deals good damage without too much investment
>Has interesting interactions with both conc effect and increased AoE
>Can deal good AoE damage
>Can deal good single target damage
>Can be used in a build with a cheap as fuck endgame unique and clear maps ez fucking pz
>Can be upgraded with an expensive lategame unique later to be even more god-tier
>Has the best MTX effect that is also cheap as fuck
>Looks amazing when you start overlapping a gorrilion of them

Is there a skill more fucking based than firestorm

>>161124367
it's kinda slow.

>>161124367
>Can be upgraded with an expensive lategame unique later to be even more god-tier
?

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>>161124367
>Is there a skill more fucking based than firestorm

>>161124367

>crashes your fps

>>161124694
>it always gets converted to fire damage anyways
what's the fucking point?

neither of these 2 skills are even the best of the skills that feature shit falling from the sky. they're all fine. it's not a hard game.

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Anyone else been having this issue with the new client?

>>161124780
the point is

7-link ceiling instead of 6-link
damage scales better
duration scales better
aoe scales better
chilling ground

is 5 times more based than firestorm

>>161124814
Blade Fall is literally 10x worse than Ice Storm and Arrow Rain is laughable so what exactly are you referring to

Hegemony Leap Sweeper or SRS for league starter?

>>161125030
>duration scales better

1.5 vs 2 is better?

>>161125175
>scales with INT

>>161125030
>7 link in name only, the base gem can't level up
>damage only scales if you dedicate all of your gear to a single stat
>duration only scales if you dedicate all of your gear to a single stat
>aoe is literally exactly the same as firestorm
>pointless status effect because everything is immune anyways
?

>>161125175
>0.15 seconds increased skill effect base duration per 100 intelligence
1000 INT = 3 second duration
2000 INT = 4.5 second duration

firestorm is icestorm retarded little brother once you get your INT amount up

>>161125325
>this is what icecucks actually believe
Yes, if you wear so many uniques you have to spend passive points on resists, you can have a longer duration. Meanwhile, firestorm has twice the ES pool and twice the damage.

>>161125306
>in name only


what did he mean by this

Serious question, how do you guys play long into the endgame? I've just gotten to that little barbarian town and I really just don't feel like going forward. All the endgame builds with cool effects and armor look like a lot of fun but I'm still wearing like rusty garbage and just tearing through most mobs. I'm pretty big into diablo but this feels really monotonous.

>>161125306
It's not "in name only", icestorm is a "true" 7L, meanwhile you sacrifice at least one support for Empower with other spells precisely because they scale with gem level. With icestorm, you get SIX damaging supports

>>161125491
>>161125450
You don't actually benefit from having a 7th link because the base gem is absolute garbage, so you have to have the extra links to make up for it. On top of that, your mana costs get ridiculous because of it.

>>161125479
>barbarian town

act 2?

it takes a couple hours and it's fucking atrocious but I burn out at Cruel A4

if the build I'm doing is FUN enough I'll continue
if it's not because I can't be assed to grind dried lake after speeding through the acts then I'll just quit the character.

>>161125569
>stack a billion mana
>get ES %
>get mana
>get damage

uhhhh what's the fucking problem here

>>161125431
>Meanwhile, firestorm has twice the ES pool and twice the damage.
okay now you're baiting

Scorching Ray -> Cast When Channeling -> [Whispering Ice] -> Controlled Destruction -> Elemental Focus -> Increased Duration -> Increased Burning Damage/Increased Cast Speed.

With Pyre ring. Yes, yes?

>>161125325
>2000 Int

On what fucking planet are you achieving 2000 int reasonably before level 100 with a fuckton of statboosting uniques? Dicking around on the entire tree leaves you absolutely raped on efficency and still only nets about +400 INT and even with Astramentis and the whispering ice nodes you're looking at like 500

>>161125773

Actually that wouldn't work well unless all are linked. bleh

>>161125716
>solving problems no other build has
congrats. you've now fixed the inherent failures of the skill. meanwhile the rest of the skills in the game get to gear to actually be useful from the start. You're setting yourself 100m back from the starting block in a 50m dash.
>>161125827
are you actually this retarded? WI builds get ~600 int on tree, another ~600+ flat on gear, then between various %int boosts they get they easily hit 2k. Of the many problems the build has, getting huge amounts of int is not one of them.

>>161125827
2000 INT is not realistic, just an upper limit to show you could have double firestorm duration at least, this only requires 2.5 additional seconds, or 1666 INT

>>161125773
>increased burning damage
really makes you think huh

>>161125827
Black Sun Crest. Even then WI hardly uses enough Uniques to suffer from a lack of resistances.

>Boots
>Belt
>Chest
>Ring
>Pyre even gives 60% total resistance

>>161125973
>~600+ on flat gear

You're actually going to waste mods on your "I need ES to not die" gear so you can get slightly more duration up on Firestorm? Which, on a proper build, will probably outlive your character anyways?

>Inb4 "int gives ES" as if its actually meaningful

>>161126112
man read up one line. i think the icestorm fags are retarded but you're just as retarded if you think they can barely hit 500 int.

hi
none of my friends play this game
pretty casual player since closed beta but i want to try being H A R D C O R E with a group
anyone want to be friends

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>>161126232
>anyone want to be friends
Depends on who your favorite sadpanda artist is.

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>>161126307

>>161125773
Blade Flurry > CoC > CwC > CoMK > (Spell)

Got your GG meta right here boys

>>161125973
>WI builds get ~600 int on tree

WI builds literally respec to do nothing but grab almost (And I do legitimately mean almost) every single int node to do that. And they usually end up sucking total ass. WI does not need obscene INT to be good, or good duration, because with that duration a non-joke firestorm build will shit all over its damage and then piss on your godawful frozen ground.

>>161126392
READING
COMPREHENSION
>>161126187

>>161126232
kid, you're new so I'll that one slide

but kid

the only way

the ONLY way to be H A R D C O R E

is to play solo.

partying with others is, by definition, a CASUAL activity

you only need 1010 INT on WI to beat Firestorm lv20's base damage.

>>161126569
but playing games by yourself is less fun than playing games with your friends
>>161126307
idk what that is gonna assume it's a shitty meme

>>161126632
you need 1320 actually. firestorm gets to run empower for easy +deeps.

>>161123446
You forgot Unhost, Rest in peace.

>>161126632
you can get a lv21 firestorm gem

>only need 1010

>>161126705
still less damage than WI 7 link if you waste a slot for Empower and you need an actual 6L to compete with WI

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>>161123446
Where is OUR LITERAL GUY, DismantleTime?

>>161126890
>irrelevant trash:
>everyone not mentioned

>>161126307
Takeda Hiromitsu is the best artist on sadpanda.

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>>161126929
what about me i'm the best player in poeg

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>Anonymous 11/26/16(Sat)05:27:47 No.161126929 ▶>>161127472
> >>161127472
> >irrelevant trash:
> >everyone not mentioned

>>161126661
>>>/gaia/

>>161127721
post your best shitcrow memes, lad

>>161126834
>6L a searing touch
>Get an empower
>Shit all over WI with a level 23 firestorm

whoops haha :)

>>161127472
where would you fit in? you're not our guy, not reddit's guy, and not autistic enough to make it into the autistic tier

>>161128091
you mean 24

>>161128091
or

>gear the entire WI character for the cost of 6 linking a searing touch

new player here
can you chance a white into a unique? or are chance orbs shit

>>161129008
>>161128091
or

>spend 4 ex for a +2/+1 fire bow/staff that makes firestorm 27 and better than icestorm will ever be

>>161129653
yes

trying to chance high tier uniques like skyforths are literally all you use them for

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Anyone has the Keanu Reeves pizza pic flameblast version? I need it because of reasons

CHILDHOOD IS IDOLIZING FIRESTORM

ADULTHOOD IS REALIZING ICESTORM MAKES MORE SENSE

>>161129653
So long as its the same base, yes

Everyone just chances sorcerers boots

>>161129757
and strongboxes. I think the math works out to where you make a small profit on average chancing strongboxes purely from the silver coin returns. Better odds of silver coin suffix than transmutes, cheaper than alchs.

>>161129869
word
good post

>>161129869
softcore is playing a build that can't even hit 9000 ES

hardcore is haring 12k at entry level

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Labs ruined this game. Fuck traps and I don't mean the good traps.

LF HC league starter

show me what you've got

>>161131142
F
I
R
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S T O R M

>>161131142
warchief totems
literally cant go wrong

what build killed castro?

>>161131885
glacial hammer

>>161131984
>6%

>tfw GGG is going to show how retarded they are when the patch comes

can't wait

>>161132129
PATCH NOTES
W H E N
H
E
N

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>>161132129
>tfw they won't nerf BV CI PF hard enough and everyone will be playing it anyone
>tfw even if they do everyone will just go back to playing vspark

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>>161131984
>Not running Multistrike Glacial Hammer Ele Prolif Wormblaster for permafreeze

according to /ourguy/ mathil blade flurry will still be good even if they cut the base damage in half

>>161132253
Vspark is Dried Lake tier

>>161132292
it should be "grab", not "pull"

>>161132332
regular spark is still good senpai

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>>161132313
It'd still be better than cleave and ice crash and reave if you halved it.

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>CI will be even more expensive next league with no essence of woe

>>161132661
>no +3 molten strike

>>161132661
Cute how you think that kind of spreadsheet can be the be all and end all or ranking melee skills, disregarding how they can all be scaled more effectively

>>161132661
>try to make Frenzy build
>it's weak as shit and costs a billion mana

>Double Strike costs half the mana and deals more damage

why the fuck does Frenzy give bonuses for having frenzy charges if it's literally INFERIOR in every way to another skill

>inb4 it's for frenzy charge generation

THEN WHY DOES IT GIVE BONUSES FOR HAVING CHARGES

>>161133037
You realize it can be used by ranged weapons as well?

>>161132721
Essences are permanent

>>161133180
rarer though
nobody spamming deafening/shriekings on a vaal regalia for 900+ es

>>161133180

i doubt they will show up as readily as they are now

whats going to happen is that essences will appear like coins used to 1 coin in 20 maps. the difference is that there are like 6 different essence types so farming them is going to be rng as fuck

>>161133118
And it's still fucking trash, your point?

>Essence of Woe now gives slightly lower values of flat energy shield, % increased energy shield, and spell damage on the higher level brackets of the essence.

not that you had to hit t1 rolls to get 12k es fairly comfortably

>>161133278
You also have to consider the lower tier essences that you wont be getting anymore in maps, which should make up for a bit of the increased rarity.

>>161133487
blade vortex is literally unplayable now

>>161132917
>Blade flurry is harder to scale than ground slam

Weird how they'd basically have identical supports but blade flurry is 3x more effective.

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So do you think they're ever going to reduce the obscene clearspeeds and insta-delete abilities that are in the game currently? Because I really wish the game would go back to rare mobs being actually threatening instead of being blown up offscreen.

>>161133836
It's too late for that now. They've already pulled enough people into that liked that playstyle.

>>161133905
>>161133836
I blame League of Legends desu

>>161133739
>Weird how they'd basically have identical supports but blade flurry is 3x more effective.
Multistrike? HELLO???

>multistrike
>locks you in place and gets you killed

why

>>161133836
Nope. Game is now just a button mashing dynasty-warriors mook genoicde simulator where the only things that even pose a threat to you are high end bosses with obscene damage mods and Shaper if you aren't using Blade Flurry.

I find it hilarious that people imply clearspeed has no effect on the game when its actually better to play solo over in a group because regardless of how many aurabot guardians and cursebot occultists are in your party you will STILL delete everything instantly with Fag Flurry rendering any further additions to DPS, and therefore the curse/aurabots, absolutely obsolete.

>>161133836
This happens with every game as people get bored, become inpatient and want to go faster. Look at wow where you can out level all cata in one zone.

I'd love it if they doubled monster hp and increased trash damage by 50% with better drops to make up for the slower speed. It wont happen though

>>161134080
melee is balanced

>>161134080
I died to that reflect invader in HC because of multistrike

>>161134110
I think you're pretty good at deleting shaped Strands but actually never touched hard content

your whole comment reeks of ignorance and hearsay

>>161134218
>Hard Content

sorry cant hear you over my unique flasks :)

>>161134386
You're going to be so lost when PF gets nerfed and you realize maybe the game isn't that trivialized by 15 other ascendancies who don't get perma flasks

>>161134476
>crits u*
>deals true damage*

heh...nothin personnel...heretic....

go with god....

>>161134179
>I'd love it if they doubled monster hp and increased trash damage by 50% with better drops to make up for the slower speed.
Artificial numerical multiplications like that aren't terribly interesting and hurt the non-meta-360-noscope builds even further. What's next, perma temporal chains on all players in red maps?

Besides, it's not like you get some incredible advantage for clearing a map in 4 minutes instead of 5. Map sustainability is the more important factor in the long run, which implies you need to run maps with shitty mods, possibly vaaled, but it's how funny how people who complain the game is "too fast" are also often the ones complaining they can't sustain t15s by running them blue.

>>161133836
blame chris "watch tv while playing" wilson

i can't believe what comes out of his mouth

>>161134852
I complain the game is too fast because I can't level for dick due to GGG nerfing XP gains repeatedly to try and stop lame boretex from making a joke out of their fucking game. If i'm not using a skill that isn't T1/T0 GGG just goes ahead and tells me to get fucked. 5-10 minute clearspeeds aren't good enough. Ignoring all but the absolute cream of the crop drops aren't good enough. This game is becoming more and more like D3 every patch.

>>161135106
You're so full of contradictions you might actually believe you have a point somewhere in there

The game is too fast yet leveling is too slow? Maybe get out of shaped strands you can clear in 2 minutes and start running actual hard maps? you know, the designated content for actual end game characters?

>>161134476
Are they actually nerfing Pathfinder?

>>161135232
>The game is too fast yet leveling is too slow?

Yeah, because unlike your metafaggotry I play the game for things other than the ladder and might not only use T1/T0 skills.

As for actual hard maps i've run many vaal'd t15-16 maps with retarded prefixes. The game still isn't fun when your options are cripple yourself with a shit build or delete everything offscreen.

And just in case you missed it, you're a dumb nigger.

>>161135427
>As for actual hard maps i've run many vaal'd t15-16 maps with retarded prefixes.
No you haven't, or leveling wouldn't "too slow" or an issue.
Perhaps don't brag about shit like this when you've admitted to being a shitter previously.

>The game still isn't fun when your options are cripple yourself with a shit build or delete everything offscreen.
Or you could challenge yourself with a regular build in maps appropriate for your character level.
>And just in case you missed it, you're a dumb nigger.
Says the shitter who can only think in a binary way and somehow thinks the game is divided into those two extreme types of builds.

>not just playing diablo2 till breach

patch notes when?

>>161135592
probably wont be out until essence ends

>>161135570
I like how you talk about contradictions shortly before claiming that hard maps DON'T make leveling slower. If he was using some mediocre build he would have to be taking those maps painfully slow or risking death every step of the way. Some of the prefixes and suffixes get silly, and if you don't have the capacity to facetank with vaal pact leech you're going to have to tiptoe through the whole damn thing while doing sub-par damage because you decided to be notmeta and play with ProjectPT Approved™ skills (ft. Namelock)

>>161135758
There's no contradiction, because the best way to level past 95 is to tackle hard maps, within reasonable limit of what your build is capable of. If your build isn't capable of that, then suddenly "the game is too fast!!!" complain reveals itself to be "I can't do hard content so I'd rather run through shaped Strands very fast!!!" i.e. you can't complain about the clear speed meta and at the same time complain leveling is "too slow". There's a clear dissonance there, don't you think? It'd be like saying, well people VSpark Dried Lake to 100, why isn't GGG slowing the game down?

The fact that t15-t16s are still expensive late in the league (almost 1 ex each) is evidence enough that for the majority of people, they either simply don't reach that tier of sustain, or they choose to sell the higher maps they drop. But yeah, some random poeg shitter thinking he's seen it all because he can run through t11s quickly is really more indication GGG needs to rework end game. A lot of people talk shit here but accomplished very little.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ghr9Xzikro
Blizzdrone tries PoE

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>>161134852
Its more monster hp relative to player damage is very low so you trivialise most trash by just one shotting whole packs. Most trash probably wont even hit the player in the current meta, so it doesn't feel very rewarding (personally) to just massacre a bunch of trash. More hp is a shitty solution but i don't know what else you would do.

>>161136701
>Most trash probably wont even hit the player in the current meta, so it doesn't feel very rewarding (personally) to just massacre a bunch of trash.
Then it is sign you need to run harder maps. With increasingly harder mods the higher you want to sustain. What's your sustain equilibrium point? t10? t15? if it's the former, you're staying in a relatively low zone of comfort which means you have no business talking about how the game is too fast and easy, since you chose that level of difficulty. If it's the latter, congratulations! You're part of the top 1% and whatever "clear speed meta" there is, it doesn't apply to you since there can be no meta defined by a very small minority.

When all you do is run shitty t10/t11s Strands with no challenge involved in autopiloting through them and speed is your primary concern, don't complain the game doesn't challenge you.

When you sustain maps of a tier where they're worth 1ex each, by definition, you're above the vast majority of the player base, and can't complain about a state of the game 95% of players don't get to experience, that is to say the game is not balanced around (You). Get your head out off your ass.

>>161133836
Ascendancy was a mistake.

>>161137278
I've tried to sustain t14+ maps. It just doesn't work. It's not remotely sustainable to start with a t16 map, spend 10 chaos rolling for something with good iiq and pack size, then run the map, and get a t13 return at best. The prices fall off too sharply, too quickly. Unless you get lucky and get returns on the map you're running every time, at some point you have to drop down. Even with 125 atlas bonus, I just couldn't sustain a top tier map pool. The drops wouldn't let me.

>>161137540
>atlas map bonus
lol, instead of tier 1 you'll get tier 2 map drops instead

I reached red this league but I could never sustain them, got em, ran em, back to tier 10

>>161138405
just run more

>>161138498
my legs hurt

>>161125028
I get tons of crashes too.

>>161138405
after i got my atlas bonus to 100 (not even 125) i could never fall behind t12s and t14-15 dropped pretty frequently too. I chisel everything tho, so maybe thats why

>he thinks IIQ effects map drops
purely packsize lads

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>>161136178
You're retarded and are arguing points that hold little to no water.

The complains that are being brought up are that people go through maps too fast (has nothing to do with the sustainability of said maps so don't try to bring it up) and that certain skills are overall, too powerful. The maps and the way they are sustained can be left absolutely alone and has nothing to fucking do with the fact that you have people raping maps in seconds and deleting bosses before they are even using a few abilities, not that it matters when they can facetank regen anything they throw at them.

So go ahead and defend Pathfinder. Or Blade Vortex. Or Blade Flurry. Tell me how they are healthy for the game. Tell me how 100% unique flask uptime is alright. Tell me how 30 second clearspeed and DPS so high that playing in a party is a determent is fine.

Or do what you've been doing all night and say that all of the above are a-ok because you go ahead and spout some contrived bullshit about how everyone needs to "git gud"

And that also doesn't change the fact that GGG has, and this isn't an opinion, been forced to _reduce_ xp gains due to fast clearspeed of top tier skills. That isn't an opinion. That isn't people being bad. That isn't something you can deny. They have done it.

It's fucking power creep.

more stash tabs when
4 isn't enough when you hoard maps

>>161139884
>https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/account-features

>>161138614
Just tested the old client and both are crashing. I wonder what they did in the last patch to make it so bugged out. Hope they fix it by 2.5

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>>161136178
>People clearing the game too fast claim it's too fast
>People clearing the game too slow claim it's too slow

>This is because these players are one in the same, experiencing dissonance, and not two different types of players using different, poorly balanced abilities that either enable or prevent them from doing so

It's

Now bear with me here

It's almost...as if

as...as if.....

there are skills that are...blatantly broken....and that everyone uses?

and its

wait...

almost as if....

there are skills...

so trash....

they cant even be used reliably on tier 10 maps...

huh....almost like....they should nerf those skills....and bring the ones they never touch up to speed.....like....like....actual game balancing????

so this....is the power....of GGG....

>>161139712
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Rarity#Increased_Item_Quantity_.28IIQ.29

>>161139792
>The complains that are being brought up are that people go through maps too fast
As I said, it's because those people run piss easy maps. You can't blitz through well-rolled t15s because you have to roll shitty mods in hope of sustaining so the issue it not separate and unrelated. It's because you fail to consider other factors that you have such a myopic vision of how the game is supposedly too fast. If you run through maps too fast, they're not challenging enough for your character level. If you're able to run over double or triple damage enfeeble monster life t15s, your build is WAY above the average and the game isn't balanced around you.

>So go ahead and defend Pathfinder. Or Blade Vortex. Or Blade Flurry. Tell me how they are healthy for the game.
Yawn, no one defended those. Way to bring up unrelated shit I never mentioned in some attempt to give credence to your argument.
End game in higher tier of reds is not a speed contest. The builds that thrive at sustaining a high tier of reds are not those flashy abyssus 6k like mathil builds that are good for showcase videos but not so much for hardcore long term progression.

>And that also doesn't change the fact that GGG has, and this isn't an opinion, been forced to _reduce_ xp gains due to fast clearspeed of top tier skills. That isn't an opinion.
The only league where people were leveling was leveling too fast was Perandus. After the nerf, the game is back to a healthy leveling progression. There are fewer than 50 people at level 99+ in EHC and we're a few days from the league ending. Boy, if everyone is leveling so fast, how come there are so few high levels?

>It's fucking power creep.
Yeah because well-geared characters have never been able to delete end game content before. It could be argued that while the road to level 90 is a lot easier than before, the actual end game content is much harder.

>>161140045
This was never really about skill balance to be honest, learn to read instead of trying to steer the debate into unrelated rambling about how a handful of skills perform better than others.

Initial complaint: "Trash is way too easy! I offscreen rares without even noticing and don't feel challenged at all!"
My answer: "Run harder maps or stop complaining."

You choose the level of difficulty you play on, whether by adjusting map tier, map mods or picking some incredibly underpowered skills to gimp yourself with. If you feel like you can't even progress into reds without picking some fotm build, it's likely you're either at fault or you shouldn't be talking about how the game is too fast or easy. You can't have it both ways, is my point.

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>>161140307
>You can't blitz through well-rolled t15s

Yes you absolutely can. Blade Vortex clears everything up to shaper and uber lab and facetanks like a motherfucker. You clearly don't play the game.

>Yawn, no one defended those. Way to bring up unrelated shit I never mentioned in some attempt to give credence to your argument.
End game in higher tier of reds is not a speed contest. The builds that thrive at sustaining a high tier of reds are not those flashy abyssus 6k like mathil builds that are good for showcase videos but not so much for hardcore long term progression.

Really? Because thats what this shit was all about. Top tier needs to be brought down a notch and you instead go off on tangents with pointless paragraphs that ultimately come down to about a sentence worth of shit argument. No map mods aside from adding ungodly amounts of crit multiplier, chance and damage are going to make any map threatening when there are people with 15k+ ES, immunity to status ailments and max block exist

>>161140472
>Blade Vortex clears everything up to shaper and uber lab and facetanks like a motherfucker.
Yeah, on what budget? The top 1% of builds will ALWAYS be capable of such feats. This was true in the past and is still true now. Nothing about this has been a sudden change.

In other words, you still fail to demonstrate how a HANDFUL of powerful builds at the top doing well is any indication of a clear speed META.

>You clearly don't play the game.
You clearly understand nothing about facts and things everyone can check: market prices.

Tell me, if such builds are so easy to gear and common, why is the average price of a t15 around 1ex?

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>>161140462
>Run harder maps

I ran a double beyond mod t15 earlier on my BVPF, went deathless.

>>161140559
>The top 1% of builds will ALWAYS be capable of such feats

This does not justify being able to facetank endgame content by any stretch. Look at any build that isn't tier 0 and compare it to how tier 0 runs endgame and shaper. The difference is absolutely hilarious. A power gap is fine. A power canyon is a problem.

>>161140587
Amazing feat! Good job! Now refer to my previous post >>161137278
>You're part of the top 1% and whatever "clear speed meta" there is, it doesn't apply to you since there can be no meta defined by a very small minority.
Do you think the game needs to be balanced around YOU, in particular? If the game is too easy for YOUR build, is it the same for the average player? What game design benefits the game the most, the one where the majority of players can find challenge adequate to their build power level, or the one who makes YOU and your cookie cutter BV PF challenged by trash?

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>>161140661
>There can be no meta defined by a very small minority.

DotA.
Counterstrike.
Overwatch.

In fact, I would argue it is MORE unusual for a game to NOT have its meta determined by a small minority. Furthermore, if there is some form of exploit that only 1 out of every 100 players sees, you should still fix it.

Your average Joe Schmoe who plays the normal difficulty of PoE and then drops it will be content with literally anything. Letting endgame become an absolute travesty because Joe Schmoe never sees it is your own goddamn retardation being forced on others because you managed to pull the mental gymnastics neccessary to delude yourself into thinking 100% unique flask up time is alright and Glacial Hammer is a skill that for some reason doesn't need to be buffed, or that if you think the state of balance in this game is heinous you just need to "run harder maps", in other words, pigeonhole yourself into the meta even more.

>>161140660
How do you suggest fixing this? Maybe doubling monster life could be a start. This will totally not hamstring middle tier, "creative" builds and put top tier builds with overkill damage even further in the spotlight, thus widening the perceived disparity between them.

All you're doing is whining some top tier skills are better than average skills at the top end of content. Which has always been the case.

>>161140847
>DotA.
>Counterstrike.
>Overwatch.
Are you fucking dense? The "meta" in PoE is not solely defined by what's perceived as good and popular at the moment like some champion in a MOBA you can switch to on a whim. There are budget constraints to take into account too. No one gives a shit if you can go sonic fast with your 50ex build when the average players scrounges for weeks to get half of that amount. In a game centered around the economy, the difficulty has to balanced around the bulk of the playerbase, not the elite top 1% which cannot define a meta since they're NOT representative of the average player experience.

You can say things like "BV CI PF is the meta for killing Shaper!" and you might be right. You can't say things like "BV CI PF is the meta at all stages of the game for all kinds of players therefore the game is too fast and easy!" because the vast majority of players will never play such builds, or own more than 10 ex at a time, or sustain t15s, or kill guardians, or shaper, etc.

>>161141080
>the difficulty has to balanced around the bulk of the playerbase,

Look at Wormblaster and then tell me this again. Also BVPF is not expensive until you're actually at endgame, you can kick it off with just a 5l anything and kick ass until you have enough money to go nuclear.

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>>161140910
Not him, but the first thing I would do is nerf boss damage across the board, BUT make it so you remain where you stand for 10 seconds after logging out. Put this in place and the game won't have to be centered around 1 shots anymore, and you've removed a major design issue. Then you can get to work on making skills that are safe have less benefits and damage compared to skills that involve being up in their face. Also reduce the effectiveness of mitigation that is not armor, if you are going to mitigate damage you should be throwing some heavy goddamn investments into it. I would tone down most ascendancies too. Then I would start bringing skills like glacial hammer, tendrils, and whatnot back up to speed. Make AoE never, EVER deal more damage than single target even with conc effect. That would just be a start, too.

>>161141284
A problem with removing 1-shots would be that block and dodge would become OP as they work great during situation where you take many high-damage hits in a short period of time.

http://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAEDAQN1BLMGDgbDCfYLYQ3NEQ8SaROlFCAWbxccGS4aOBo-Gmwczh0UJKom8ycvJ-0pLiqNK1At0jWSNtg26TpYOuE7DTwtPfxG10kbTeNQR1XGVw1YY1h3WfNfBF8_Y_1mVGaeaGVo8nF5cYVyD3aseuZ8uIIHgpuDX4PMg9uMz49GkFWRK5HOlG-WbJo7m6Gdrp8-ogCmV6ajrJitja9sr6exQrc-uX677cBmxFjE9sYExq7G2M9-0iHUfNWm2L3ZYdl82rnhc-Nq5CLsVe087w7v6_Af8WzxrPJB8kXzm_ZI99f60v4K_lT-jw==

how bad is this for scorching ray cwc flame surge?

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>melee will never actually advance out of path of earthquake

how hard is it for ggg to just give melee skills small innate splash and auto target

i don't understand

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>>161142562
>give melee skills small innate splash and auto target
>le blade flurry faec

>>161142562
Who even plays Earthquake anymore, except in uber lab? The skill isnt that great mechanically compared to BV, BF and Lacerate.

i started playing this a while ago

i got to the end of act 3 normal and im about to fight the boss.

i havent cleared any sidequests. what do i do? am i fucked and should i roll a new chara? or is there any way to clear them?

>>161140559
>Yeah, on what budget
Not even that much.
For about 5ex you could probably get a sufficient build going.

>>161142696
You switch between chapters and difficulties at the waypoints.

>>161142696
waypoints nigga, you can always return and do the shitty side quests that no one else but new players do.

>>161142746
>>161142773

thanks guys. on future runs through higher difficulties, can i ignore sidequests or do they provide some tangible benefits

>>161142875
Some side-quests provide skill-points and respec-points.

>>161142875
some of them have skill points which are basically required for building characters

specifically:
1. Killing the big crab in the submerged passage
2. Fairgraves quest in act 1 (his quest in act 3 is a waste of time)
3. Killing/helping the bandits
4. Collecting the busts from the slums sewer/warehouse sewer/market sewer
5. Talking to grigor after you kill piety (not really a side quest but it gives 2 free skill points)
6. Freeing deshrets spirit in mines 2

When are the patch notes for 2.5 going to be released?

>>161143139
they're already out check the forums

>>161143208
The latest was 2.4.3b

What will be the meme builds for this league?

>>161143291
fooled you hehe

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recommend me a fun build for 2.5

thanks in advance, i'll come back in a few hours to check the numerous replies i've gotten!

>>161143364
Flameblast
Warchief Totems(unless they get nerfed)
Blade Flurry Assasin

>>161143364
the same as the past 6 leagues you retard

PoE hasnt changed in like 2 years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fun

I want to get into this game more seriously.
I have beaten it once aka do all of the story and then played some maps but I've always felt like I am missing out on 90% of the game.
How do I squeeze the most out of it? What should I do?

>>161144229
make a good build
find a friend to play with can help

>>161144229
build a support build and get invited by good players to real content

>>161144695
Aren't support builds a meme?

2H lacerate shaper viable without crit? If i start duelist, i find it hard to get enough crit but i have a lot of other good nodes, slayer ascend and marauder tree nearby. If i start shadow, i must take assassin and nearby nodes are meh for a sword 2H + bad side of the tree for a life build.

>>161144780
not if you're not retarded. anyone who can keep vaal haste up 80%+ of the time will be invited

>>161144780
I mean, you literally cannot play without another person but they're not a meme.

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ggg drones will defend this

>>161143364
RF Chieftain with the new notFireWither totem
Crit Fire Vortex Saboteur
Cyclone Slayer

>>161144824
>vaal haste
lmao softcore

i use vaal disc on my support like a true support

>>161144824
> softcore

nah hardcore with sarkers/ vaal sparkers

stop playing with pleb builds

i bet you dont even use shavs

>>161145543
>muh dead league matters
softcore bros are nice, friendly and chill, trying out various unique builds and simply enjoying the game to its full
hcucks are cancerous "no +250% life? into the trash", "not top tier1 streamer approved build? lmao what a noob", "wow you want melee? what a shitter"

>>161145543
oops this >>161145727 is meant for you

also if you're group needs more than the 10k es you're giving them then wtf are they doing

can anyone tell me what's supposed to be fun about grinding, doing an ability rotation on a bunch of npc enemies then picking their stuff and leveling ad infinitum?

>>161145812
When you finally get that one piece of loot you wanted

>>161144229
go meta

is lightning crit inquisitor viable as a league starter

>>161145512
>Crit Fire Vortex Saboteur
Not original guy, butI was thinking of trying that with Traps last season.

Came here to ask, is Guplfinder BV shit now or will be? I always wanted to give it a try but never got round to do it and was thinking that it will be a decent first character in breach.

>>161145885
>farming a specific piece of gear
nobody does that in poe
lack of loot tables due to lazy development and shoehorned trading made sure of that

>>161146142
>is Guplfinder BV shit now or will be?
Come back in 2-3 days when the 2.5 patch note is up because nobody knows yet.

>>161146274
That's a good point, my bad.

I struggled really hard to find a fun build to finally break me past Tier 5 maps.
>Flame Totems - Went non crit, and got bored
>Then I went Siege Ballista with Iron Commander and it was realy fun with Crit Assasin but so gear dependant. I was having trouble getting anymore than 3 totems.

Just looking for a 'fun' build which isn't a static channelling skill or flameblast.

>>161146462
bladeflurry
:^)

So, are we all just sitting here waiting for the patch notes to see how they changes skills before we decide on league builds?

>>161147068
You forgot masturbating to waifus.

Who here /SC/ next league? Games too much of a joke at this point. Only thing that actually kills you now are disconnects and flatlining, so i don't see the point of playing HC anymore.

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>ahegao
>anal
>blowjob
>cosplaying
>crossdressing
>exhibitionism
>filming
>mind break
>public use
>unusual pupils
>yaoi

>>161148137
Does there exist such a thing? Please my friend, I need this.

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>>161148137
I've read this already anon!

>>161147068
I'm trying out possible starter builds and working on my lab run speed.

>>161148484
>lab run speed
Which difficulty?

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>>161123446
There is only our girl.

>>161148680
uber lab ofc

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Just did Atziri and managed to oneshot myself twice... I thought the blue armed one was reflect... wtf?

>>161149223
Just look for the one holding a mirror above its head.

>>161149223
Blue armed is the one you should go for afaik, its easy to spot and isn't the reflect one.

You know what would make me really happy? Seeing poe.trade and its alternatives being taken down by their owners on purpose as an act of showing a middle finger to GGG, right after new league start, for 2-3 weeks.

Fucking kikes getting rich off third party websites, why is this allowed, how is everybody ok with it

>>161149908
Because GGG are paying them to keep it up.

>>161149376
>>161149643
right, still felt odd instakilling myself, her reflect must like 200-500%.