/domg/ - Dominions General

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Will the fabulous Foulspawn smash the ornery Ophidians? Can the pernicious Pygmies humble the haughty Hoburgs? How will the obstinate Ogres overcome the illustrious Ichtyids? What of the leaping lizards and pesky Pale Ones?

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=WinterRaceWar

WinterRaceWar, our latest NationGen game, is kicking off in about twelve hours. That's plenty of time to pick a nation, design a pretender, and maybe even get some practice in.

So get your helter skelter on and make the UN earn their keep 'cause there can only be one winner!

>>161067826
I will tell your mother to wash your mouth with soap.

So sexiest pretenders are Titan of beauty and that Ulm warrior Goddess?

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>>161068094
>Guy with the mohawk is a /tg/-fag
Good taste

>>161068135
Don't forget Annunaki of Love and War.

>>161032743
I told you I'm not a big fan of NAPs, plus I was planning on attacking you so I could hardly refuse your offer and give my intentions away, now could I?
>>161038105
I'm sure people will forgive me, you're clearly the biggest threat.
>>161038556
>Irongrill is a spoopy player. Remove immediately
I'm extremely incompetent at this game, pls no bully.
>>161038702
>I can help in a few turns.
You are making a mistake, you should help me remove vanheim instead, they're clearly the bigger threat.
>Don't want jews to get into late-game.
This is MA Jews, they're not all that scary lategame.
>>161039008
I haven't attacked Xib.

Just let jews stale damn I want my new turn.

>>161068449

Figured it was probably a turkey day thing. Someone wouldn't sub into a game and immediately start staling, right?

Either way, if he's not done the turn by the time I get home (six/seven hours) I'll get him AIed.

>>161068712
Fucking colonials.

So why are terracotta soldiers good? At sub 1 gem per they're cheap, but also really shit. What puts them above skeletons?

>>161068195
Good to know, gonna try her now

>>161069583

oy, don't lump all the colonies together mate

>>161069870

sexiest pretenders-

Virtue
Forge Lord
Naked Rephaite Guy
Vampire Queen
Asynja
Volla of the Bountiful Forest
Forester Bob

>>161069896
Sorry, forced colonials are all right in my book.

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>>161069870
FUCK I ordered her to attack rearmost enemies, but they were all barbarians and after the battle she has a chest wound and a never healing wound. Shit SUCKS
Is there a way for me to heal my waifu? I know priests may have healing spells but how can I make it so they target her?

>>161070327

There are four options for affliction removal. Five if you're a pretender.

One: Leave them in the same province as a Healer. Unfortunately healers are kinda difficult to get. There are no generics, aside from a couple of Adventurers, which'll require you to luck out with events. If you're a nation with them (Arco, Caelum, Gath, Ashdod, Hinnom, EA Ermor) then you're good. If you aren't, it's not really possible.

Two: The Chalice. A unique Construction 8 artefact, grants Healer.

Three: Gift of Health, the global spell, removes afflicitons from all of your dudes in your dominion.

Four: Blood Feast, a B2 spell available at Blood 3, can be used to remove afflictions from a specific caster. But it'll make them eat your populace thereafter.

Five: Pretenders have a chance of losing afflicitons when they die. Don't do this. Unless you're Ur. In which case you probably still shouldn't do this.

There are a couple other things that can remove afflictions, the Immortal or Recuperation tag, but those are things the chassis needs to start with.

>>161070710

I forgot Vanarus and Bogarus on the nations with healers list there.

TC, Berry and Sauro also have national heroes with Healer, but you can't necessarily rely on those showing up.

>>161070710
>Caelum
Actually I am playing EA Caelum. Is it a summon? I don't see any recruitable healers
By the way, what happens to Pretenders when they die and come back? I think they lose some magic skills?

>>161070998

Spenta of Waters, yeah. Conj8, so not exactly gettable early.

>>161070998

When a pretender dies, they lose one in every path, and need to be called back. Which is functionally, I think, 100 priest levels of "Call God".

When they're called back, they'll show up in your capital, possibly without some afflictions they died with.

There are a couple exceptions to this, of course. Ur's pretenders don't lose paths. Immortal pretenders also show back up in your cap again immediately, and don't lose paths, but only if they were in your dominion when they died.

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Conjunction

>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Conjunction

>>161071171
Can they get horror marked from dying?

>>161071778

Not so far as I'm aware.

I've never seen it, at least. But in general you want to avoid having your god die, in so far as that's possible.

>>161071965
My octopus pretender got horror marked fighting Ys and I'm not sure how it happened.

>>161069829
I wouldn't say they're good, but reasons they're better than longdead:

They use fire gems, which are generally not very useful.
They resist both slash and pierce, rather than just pierce, plus higher HP.
They can't be banished or killed with anti-undead spells.
They have fire resist, which means you can use them as a frontline for your fire magic spamming casters.
Nations which might pick up terracotta soldiers probably can't get longdead easily.

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>>161070327
>Random event where experiment goes wrong and she sees cthulhu shit
>now she has battle fright too
IT'S NOT FAIR

>>161072227
Ys does have astral mages, they could have cast the horror mark spell. Did you equip your god with tainted equipment?

Perhaps they're on a province with a site that horror marks units.

>>161073130
It was in a siege battle on their cap. One of them might have cast it, but mostly I just see them cast mistform and rush at me.

>>161072768
And now she's Limp and Weakened too
Guess I will just keep throwing her into battle huntil she dies in friendly dominion

>>161073694

Yeah, this is why you don't rely on them going away with pretender death.

Pretender death invariably results in more afflictions.

>>161073694
Friendly Dominion won't really matter unless she's immortal, in which case she'll automatically respawn in your capital without any penalties to her magic paths, with a chance to remove afflictions.

So hey what happened with the Dominions community clash? Haven't heard much about it in a while.

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>Enemy Virtue attacks my province
>Alone vs 100+ soldiers
>Gets hit twice then runs away

>>161073861

And Immortal removes afflictions on it's own anyway, so no point dying to sort it.

Does anyone have the Geokokujo mod?

>>161074312

Virtues rely on not getting hit, they don't have huge hp or anything. It probably autorouted. Usually the Awe5 and invuln25 keep them safe along with the long weapon, large size, and good repel. If it was in your dominion or your shit is magical or undead, the virtue-user dun fucked up.

>>161075184

ask lambo it was his mod iirc

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Finally the worst /domg/ game in history is over. Turn 15 BoT, Foul Air, Wrath of God and eventually Arcan Nexus owned by Ermor scared almost all players in the game. All of that was made in the name of summod. Really shamefurr dispray. I mean the powerlessness of the scrubs in game against Ermor and their quick tendency to go AI just because, made this game horrible to play, and just everyone wanted to see it's over.

I was lucky and just grab enough VP to finish this disgraceful game. Mainly Thrones were taken from AI, but Ermor was so clueless or just plainly indifferent so he hasn't protected his only VP3 Throne with fort, so I captured it and won. In a case of emergency this turn I also took 4 more VP from my ally C'tis, just in case, but Ermor didn't done anything to take the Throne back or to shake off my siege on the other his Throne. Even shilling for summod he didn't even TRIED to prolong this game, or give others challenge. He prefered to spam Armageddon pointlessly, which wasn't too harmful to my giants.

Graphs and other shit in case someone interested.

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>>161075691
>Ermor 1st/2nd in research for the entire game

>>161075691

Well.. looking at the graphs you had far more land than ermor for most of the game, and the same or more gems despite ermor needing gems to do all it's national stuff it cares about and your blood economy not showing up on the graphs, of the other players only TC seemed to rival you or c'tis in income and c'tis was 'your ally' so I guess well done on winning via diplo? Because your description bears very little similarity to the graphs which shows you as a very clear threat the entire game and ermor sorta struggling for most of it (province count seesaw).

>>161075691
Congrats, Vava.

Yeah, I wasn't interested in playing this to the end, as I have enough late-game micro in several other games. I sort of tried to do some late-game stuff when I grabbed UW, but it quickly started to become unbearable, and IRL stuff got in the way, so I stopped caring after that. I absolutely disagree with your assessment of summod changes though. Still, gotta compliment your tenacity and willpower.

To players who didn't play this to the end: the only thing I did in this game besides spamming cancerous globals was killing TC, and eating some UW provinces from AI Pelagia. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

>>161036681

What's this from?

>>161075691
Also, this is FAR from the worst game in /domg/ history.

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>>161073694
>>161073856
>>161073861
>start new game with a Neteret of Many Names
>second battle vs independents she gets an affliction by being hit ONCE
>Mute
time to restart
Abysia's pretty fun though

>>161076363
Why are you expanding with a Neteret of many names? Abysia is indeed fun, but its national troops kick ass. Use the Neteret to boost your research and provide magic diversity.

>>161076363
>using Neteret in combat
You deserve this, you pathetic fool.

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The scourge of this game were insane ammount of scrubs in it. I have fought only 3 of them but that is why I would like to laugh them off.
First was Mictlan with 4 major blesses in MA. Was trying to raid me with his 'powerful' sacreds, but died to skeletspam. Due to awful Scales he suffered from BoT the most. And yet he did nothing to oppose Ermor, even despite his god having S9, which was enough to kill almost any ammount of Dusk Elders Ermor could have throwned in him. He was shittalking all the way, pretending that he is a meme-master, making me suffer and preventing me from winning the game. Too bad for him, you have to be a little bit competent to perform such a task.

Then Pelagia. He had S9W9 for his aquatic sacreds and conquered all the UW, killing R'lyeh and Ys. Then he attacked me, pointlessly trying to raid the shore with an insane ammount of his shitty amphibious chaff, without magesupport of course, he is a scrub, haven't you forgot? I asked him several times to make a peace treaty after I have rekt him, but he always was refusing my friendship and the last time instead of an answer went AI. Having 3 caps. And with S9 being capable to rekt anything Ermor may have throwing at him. And it's the same player who was AllMAMemegames Ulm and who pathetically lost all his shit to Malakal, letting him win.
What a fucking scrub. But whatever, at least he has PERFORMED something.

What about Ermor? His only acheivement apart from casting 4 devastating globals was conquering TienChi, who was trying to oppose him with single MAster of 5 elements before going AI. He did fucking nothing apart from that. Won't even trying to protect his Thrones from me, or interrupting my throne-rush. Always bragging about summod he brough shame to it in my opinion.

Well, all the AI players probably were equally shitty. Only C'tis and Aspho remain active till the very end. I commend them for that, though I have a slight suspicion that it was one the same personm though.

>>161076363
>Finally the worst /domg/ game in history is over. Turn 15 BoT, Foul Air, Wrath of God and eventually Arcan Nexus owned by Ermor scared almost all players in the game. All of that was made in the name of summod. Really shamefurr dispray. I mean the powerlessness of the scrubs in game against Ermor and their quick tendency to go AI just because, made this game horrible to play, and just everyone wanted to see it's over.
>using a titan as an expander

>>161076558
wtf with that quote

>>161068224
>You are making a mistake, you should help me remove vanheim instead, they're clearly the bigger threat.
I literally can't reach vanheim. Still, I'll wait for some battle reports before I make my decision. Plus, I REALLY don't want you getting blood stuff, so I'll have to attack you at some point anyway. Better now than when you have all vanheim's territory.

>>161076291
>>161076251
Why, thank you. But instead of giving me the game off like that, and shilling unrelated to this game mod, you really better be more concerned about actual gameplay. I believe you are actually a player far from being bad, but acting like that making you seem the same as the scrubs around.
Was that you, CoolStory?

>>161076662
>Plus, I REALLY don't want you getting blood stuff
And how am I supposed to get into blood?
Conjuration 8 is still a long ways away for me.

>>161076010
Land is not really matter since it's all ridden with unrest and low population. My 'blood economy' was 30 girls per turn at best, since there were almost nowhere to hunt. On the graphs it's not TC, but Pelagia who is huge due to conquering UW. He had a huge potential. Too bad he is a bad player to actually make some profit out of it.
I did very little diplo in this game, and what I did almost immediately turned into shit thanks to the people going AI.
Shittiest game on /domg/ I have ever played.

Really, people, try to play 6 months in SP or something. It's not really funny.

Honestly, I am not even proud about winning, all I feel is the happiness about the fact that I don't have to proceed with this shitty game. That was flesh and blood the scrub game, and now I feel myself like a king of scrubs, because I was taking it seriously.

>>161076767
I had some wins as Ermor, and all of them devolved into players just leaving the game. I sincerely tried to win at first, even cancerous globals were a part of my plan. You can see my research on the graphs, so you can probably understand what I was trying to do (Nexus + Wish Engine + tarts). It's just the fact that Ermor needs a lot of willpower to play late-game, and seeing that most players just left I had absolutely no incentive to play.

Not him. You have a pretty distinctive writing style, and I noticed that you name all your pretenders XXXX One or something like that. I was in 3 games with you at this point.

P.S. SUMMOD AKBAR was a meme. I decided to go with it when I saw someone on /domg/ claiming that he's gonna join all non-summod games and ruin them. That proved to be surprisingly effective, to be honest. I genuinely like summod though, but I'm not against vanilla games.

>>161077202

>no income

Do you mean the map? Because BoT takes a long time to draw off enough population to matter, and the income graphs don't really show that much income loss til lategame, contrasted to the province graphs.

>Pelagia

So in terms of income, it was you and c'tis in the lead the whole game and pangaea following afterwards for some of it in terms of land nations, and c'tis was your ally? Yeesh.

>domg are all scrubs that go AI

Yep. Terrible advice gets mixed liberally with good advice in the thread, and then people desperate for the win go AI the first time they lose a battle or whatev.

>>161077305
I see. I am glad that you wasn't sincerly aiming to blow this game only because it had no summod. But, just as I was saying previously, this game became inhospitable not thanks to your efforts, but thanks to all the participants being scrubs, and especially weak-willed scrubs.

Also I am really glad that you are not against vanila games by itself. Honestly I was under the impression that you are a mindless SUMMOD AKBAR drone, luckily it was just a meme. I can into memes sometimes too. Honestly.
Anyways, I hope we can all agree that something bad is finally over, and that is a good thing.

I see, my English is really bad and I guess I am really distinctive at that. And yeah, I am always naming my gods as XXX One to not to be bothered about the name a lot. Let's play some more in the future.

>>161077305
I'm not sure I can take turn 15 BoT seriously as "really trying to play the game" since you had to have known it would have annoyed people for very little strategic benefit to you, aside from other players going AI.

>>161077976
Honestly, we became really good with C'tis only after Ermor casting Nexus. Before that we just had trade ocassionally.

In this game Ermor was the center of gravity, and all nations were just spinning around it, making their efforts in consideration of it's existence. Ashdod was just the most active, probably because I wanted to finish it the most. So it wasn't me who was diplomonstering this game, but the game itself fall apart and I just took what was lying on the ground (lands, gems and Thrones).

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>>161078409
I used Neteret to quickly research skelespam and shadowblast. I planned to just win all early-game wars with that, and it paid off. I was attacked by Asphodel (who I thought will be my ally) and TC, and I killed both of their armies, and even managed to get all TC's provinces after he went AI. Contrary to what some anon said a little earlier, I found that using Neteret in battle is pretty cool for support spells/shadowblast. The pic is my battle with Asphodel, for example. People don't expect Ermor to skelespam much because of their free chaff, but it can prove useful both strategically (more potential skellies) and tactically (no hp rout/free blockers for shadowblasters).

TL;DR: I decided to play a non-standard Ermor build, and it was pretty viable in early-midgame.

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
>Caelum Waiting for 2h file
>C'tis Waiting for 2h file
Gath 2h file received
Jomon 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Ragha 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Utgard 2h file received

RÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉ

>>161078850
I should've named it StalingIsHot

>>161076519
I actually made that post, I was expecting ermor to fight it till the end but eh I was very unaware how terrible the game was for everyone (was just a thread spectator). Congrats on the ashdod win I hope my own ashdod pulls out a win as well

>>161078850
That is impossible. I sent my turn almost a day ago.

>>161078172
>jews can't take a joke

Color me surprised.

>>161062260
>alter the settings
Bump up site frequency. LA is shit in that regard.

>>161078409
>it would have annoyed people for very little strategic benefit to you, aside from other players going AI.

How does this not count as "trying to win" exactly ?

If you have the in-game means to cripple an enemy's resources to the point where instead of fighting back he'd just prefer to leave, then by all means it's a viable strategy and he should do it.

Next you'll complain about elfing/raiding or usage of bane-venom charm as not being "legitimate", fuckken pansies.

>>161076443
>>161076463
>>161076558
How the fuck am I supposed to know I have 10 hours or so ingame
Anyway now I know Titans are shit for expansion even though I don't know why

>>161082087

Bane venoms aren't legitimate. The sheer cost to appreciably damage someone's economy is enough gems to have won the war.

That said I keep subbing into positions where people have like 800 unspent gems, so w/e I guess.

>>161082250

They're shit for expansion because independent troops stab them to death and you can't do anything about that without gear, buffs, or dom10, none of which you have.

Using high-path titans in battle is perfectly legitimate. As usual, don't take anything this thread says on faith because some people just randomly spout bad advice. It's a bad plan usually to take a high-path god purely to cast spells in battle because often that's a waste of design points but if you have one for some other reason (bless, rainbow paths for booster items/summoning mages) and you have the opportunity to use it in a fight there's nothing wrong with that.

>>161082087
No I mean, I agree with you in general terms but

>cripple an enemy's resources to the point where instead of fighting back he'd just prefer to leave

People leave due to BoT type effects LONG before they have a strategically significant effect on them. Anyone who's played a /domg/ game before knows that. And frankly, a win by pissing off a bunch of scrubs is a win. I'm not even opposed to that with two MA Ermor wins myself. But it's a bit of a separate category from innovative strategies like mage support and unit armies and fighting your enemies on the battlefield.

>>161082359
>the sheer cost
It's a very cheap item and it can cost your opponent significantly more than it costs you. It's not exactly a high risk strategy to make a couple.

>>161082250
What you want from an Expander Pretender:
*Some ways to not get beaten the heck up
*Some way to lick the enemy

Many of the Titans don't have these qualities. Instead they often have different kind of special qualities and multiple starting paths. Also, the human Pretenders are by default too weak to use as an Expander.

That leaves you with the various Monster Form and Big Guy pretenders, many of whom excel in pure combat ability. Shitton of HP, Earth magic path, high protection, Ethereal, Recuperation and Awe help with defence. If you take dominion 9 or 10 (candles) you get more awe.

Things like trampling, Fear and AoE attacks and multiple attacks are good ways to lick the enemy. Taking more death magic gives you more fear.

Pretender with lots of HP will get very noticeable amount of extra HP when it fights in friendly dominion. You Pretender getting fatally crippled depends on the amount of damage taken compared to it's makshimum HP so the extra HP counts.

>>161082359
Bane venom charms are legitimate, but not for damaging economy.
I see them as either for false flagging or for diseasing armies and magi

>>161082250

In general, if you want an expansion pretender, you want one of the monsters.

Titans are good for mid/late game shenanigans, once you can make up gear for them. You'll note they have a lot more item slots than, say, an Earth Snake does.

This means that they can add a lot more tricks (and flexibility) than a monster, even if they've a lower baseline combat effectiveness.

>>161082704
Indeed. Never underestimate crushing people's morale.

>>161082726

>make a couple

This is exactly why it's pointless. Killing a tiny amount of population with 'a couple' of bane venom charms is an annoyance, not something that harms your opponent's ability to make war. If you flooded them with bane venom charms, and had enough time for that to work, you could cripple them and force them to attack you when they already embroiled with someone else or something. 'A few' is hoping that someone is so precious over a few hundred pop that they go AI.

In the meantime you're out 5 shadowblasts or 5 skeleton horde casts that could kill actual combat units and win you a fight which could win you a war. Worse, you're harming the lands you're hoping to take. It's the strategy of someone expecting to lose, and it's not even a good version of that.

>>161083117
What, why would you use it for popkill? The idea is to sit it on his mage corps.

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>>161083117
>not using them to diease mages or harassing an army that's chasing you

>>161083215

.. so this person just has mages sitting there with no troops that can be used to patrol with, and/or you're relying on the miniscule chance that it'll disease someone important in that tiny space of time?

>>161083364
Patrolling isn't fool-proof, plenty of time detection can slip past it.

Personally I keep them hidden in provinces where I know the enemy's gonna bring his stack of mages along. Then I move them along with them, ,so I get several hits on his army. It's really not that hard to figure out where a huge stack is gonna move assuming you are at war with someone. It's lone units, or people whom you're not at war with that are more unpredictable.

Also sieges I guess.

>>161083281

>being chased through your lands

And people are like 'why do you think it's a bad plan', well, why the fuck do you think. These plans all rely on losing - losing ground, losing wars, losing fights, losing gems.

Try winning, instead. You might find it works better.

>>161083364
not everyone has every fort set to patrol or high enough PD to route it out naturally. If someone gets lazy on their labrats or their capital you bet my ass I'm gonna take advantage of it. Stop thinking of it as "It's a useless item because I can't build it every game with mandatory results" and instead think "my enemy is getting lazy on his defenses lets give him a little wake up cost at a meagre 10 D gems"


in short IT DEPENDS

>>161083658
See I hate this mentality, the idea that "if your not attacking your losing" I agree that you have to war eventually and you should go in winning fights but sometimes you lose ground, sometimes the battle flow goes back as they reach their key research spells andyou stll have to research the counters. It's the same people who AI after losing one big battle because they think "oh I can't possible come back from this" when they easily can

>>161083658
>losing ground
It's not losing ground, it's cordially inviting the enemy to your killbox.
That kind of inflexible strategy of not losing an inch of your clay without a fight lost Hitler WW2.

>>161083658
>never have back-up plans, never retreat

Yeah I'm sure you'd make a fine commander. What's that? Invest money into fire alarm and extinguishers? Just don't burn your house you scrub.

>>161083708

>meagre 10 D gems!

>the price of 20+++ longdead horsemen
>the price of up to 60+ squares of 20+ AN damage and paralysis

Protip: As long as you rely on 'making scrubs quit' tactics like BoT and whatever charms, you're going to be shit at the game. No competent player is going to have a bane venom charm in their lands for long, and advancing into enemy territory they'll accept a few diseased mages as the price of doing business (and more than paid for by the gold and gems they are gaining from your lands).

>>161083950
pro tip: if you can't afford both you didn't site search well enough, it's not like you're forging a charm every singleturn

>>161083897

Sure, invite the enemy into your killbox. Use your D gems to kill him, when he's in your killbox. Being in your killbox might mean you get first turn or that his retreating forces all die, in the meantime you don't have his gold, his lands, or his gems - he has yours.

Oh, and you spent your gems on bane venom charms instead of stuff that kills people so you invited him into your 'lightly diseased box' and he killed you instead. slowclap.png

>>161084101

You don't understand basic math. If you have, say, 20 D gems/turn, you can use those in battle, or, you can make them into longdead horse, or, you can forge 2 bane venom charms, or some combination of the above. There is no situation there where you can forge a bane venom charm and NOT take gems away from more longdead horse or more battlecasts of useful D spells. Your combat forces ARE weaker for every bane venom charm you create.

>>161084205
oh no one turn I'm inconvined by making a bane venom, surely this will ruin my battle plans because I didn't summon an extra 10-20 horsies

again you sound like a guy who treats everything on a shoe-string budget and the second he losses one big battle he's gonna quit because you feel incredably behind on everything.

>>161084205
Or maybe, you know, you don't have D3 but have D2.

Or maybe you don't have Enchant 5 researched at that moment.

Or maybe more "undead" is exactly what you don't need since the enemy is going through them like a hot knife through butter with millions of banishments or aoe fire spells

Stop being so close-minded and realize that it depends

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>misfortune isn't so bad they said!
i have the best rng this game

>>161084586

If you don't have enough D2 to shadowblast, no evo OR ench research, no need for additional flanking forces of longdead horse, no need for undead elephant tramplers, no need for extra skeletons as part of skelespam, and a few diseases per turn of being able to keep your stealthy guys guessing where the enemy army is going to go is going to save you, sure, build bane venom charms.

That's not a thing that happens though. Instead, people build them and then feel better about losing because they 'did damage', that they pretend was crippling but in reality it was hugely superficial. And then the thread praises them for days. Get over bane venom charms. They don't win battles. I've never seen them win battles. I've repeatedly seen someone walking some bane venom charms at me/at my armies and it's done fucking nothing. In the meantime these nations have recruitable D mages and evo 5 is not that hard to get. Shadowblast is a great spell. Longdead horse are great units, mindless light lances on legs for cheap. Behemoths take buffs better than armoured elephants and will never trample your own lines. More skelespam can be the tipping point between rigor working, or the enemy fleeing, or instead your mages getting cut down. Stop telling people to build bane venom charms.

>>161084581

You are one of the people I sub in for who have hundreds of gems unspent, aren't you.

>>161085402
I always spend my gems, I'm just not a mesier and don't think it's such a huge setback that I spent 1 turn and 10 D gems tomake a single bane venom, and you keep trying to put words into my mouth thinking that I'm adovcating constantly forging them when I simply make the point having one situational charm isn't a bad thing. Aagain having one less trampler or 10 less longdead horses isn't going ot lsoe me battles.

>>161085801

I can think of a lot of battles from my last set of turns where 20 longdead horse or a single buffed behemoth could have turned it. 5 d2 guys spamming Shadowblast twice each instead of skeleton horde could also have won those battles. And no, bud. People say 'bane venom charms', in the thread. They talk about 'losing one' like it's not a big deal. Multiple are being advocated. That's an obscene quantity of D gems on a tactic that 'sometimes diseases a few mages if you totally predict what your enemy is going to do'.

>>161085993
it doesn't matter what they adovicate, the one you are talking to me, I am saying "one or 2 occusionaly" and quit trying to tact on their arguments to mine in an attempt to diminish them, Also if your battles weres so razor tight that you needed a few more units to win then you are a trending a dangerous line of RNG factor.

>>161085993
Predicting where your enemy will put his forces to a reasonable degree of accuracy is actually the most important skill in strategy games...

>>161085993
Not that I'm all that pro-BVC but I think you're underselling the amount of diseases they put out. I recently dealt with a couple and I lost a lot of good indie mages I could only recruit from that province and had to empower another mage in blood because he wasn't worth losing. It didn't turn the tide or anything but it seemed about equal to what 20 gems. If I could've summoned those mages for 20 death gems it would've been a steal.

>>161067802

Does Jotunheim get Longdead/Soulless Giants for their Death-related spells like Horde of Skeletons, Raise Dead or maybe even Life After Death? If not, how do you get giant undead?

>>161086127

Yes, which is why when you are that opponent you try not to be predictable in that manner or put all your eggs in that one province basket. I expect Wind of Death, Wrathful Skies, hell i've even seen pretenders designed to drop rain of stones. I expect some horrible rigor tarpit defensive movement trap. Scrubs might put all their shit in one giant stack and slow-walk it towards the enemy capital, and scrubs might go AI when you disease 1 in 5 mages in their giant doomball, but planning your game around 'what scrubs do' isn't a good gameplan because it means you beat a scrub and then got utterly fucking wrecked by Malakal on his way through.

Predict your enemy to wreck his shit and then take his lands. Not to maybe-disease some of his mages (or maybe-disease whatever part of his mages are in the advance party).

>>161086075

And you're responding to me, and i'm responding to all the bane venom charm advocaters. It's great you have some speshul version of what they are advocating where you 'only' waste 10-20 D gems instead of 50 on venom charms, but you're still wasting them - they still don't do what it's claimed that they do (disease armies/research stacks, win wars), they're still nearly useless offensively and aggressively worse than spending gems in fights defensively. And yes, I am fighting some tight battles, because in some my opponents are telegraphing their moves enough that I can send the minimum I need to win, and in others i'm fighting good players who are not predictable and the best I can deploy against them is barely losing or barely winning. 'Hur you should just win easily and then use bane venom charms for funsies' is NOT an argument that they are worth the gems.

>>161086631
They get soulless giants, but not longdead giants. Ashdod/Gath get Longdead Raephites.

>>161086294

Then either the RNG fucked you (entirely possible) or there were more than two bane venom charms. I've caught 3 (And I think there were more) with patrolling one time and I had perhaps 1 in 10 mages diseased from their effects.

Also, if you have indie mages with good paths, spread them around. Teleporting/sneaking attackers are a thing, as is Leprosy and Fires From the Sky/Flames From the Sky/Murdering Winter, and assassins.

>>161086743

Is it worth it to build a strategy around longdead giants or are the living giants good enough? Sometimes they feel as if they aren't, especially in fact MA Jotunheim.

>>161086918
>>161086918

Longdead giants are just as trashy as other longdead, just with more hp. Skelespam is also mostly the human-sized skeletons, the giant versions aren't every single soulless/skeleton.

Living giants tend to suck. They pay a lot, there's fewer of them per square, and a lot of their stats (str, hp) aren't as good as the game thinks they are so you pay more for something that gets cut to pieces by things that cost less.

MA Jotunheim does not suck because they get infiniskeleton communions, super cheap goblin mages out of every forest, blood from those same goblin mages, skratti (excellent SC or thug chassis), and an excellent selection of paths. Their giants are not the worst, either, although they certainly aren't good.

Forcehost already.

REEEEEEEE

>>161086918
Well, if you have death, use it. Dead giants are better than dead humans, which gives your death mages an edge over humans. I highly recommend using D2 mages or communions.

>>161087115

Right. I am home now. We have no Gath turn. Therefore Gath is getting set AI.

Calm your tits.

Is Elysium 4 any good?

>>161086735
You don't use this shit when war is ongoing. You use it to harass future target if you are confident enough that you will finish your current victim without additional gem investment.
Even in that case it is highly situational. It is pointless to disease sequanis for example, there are just too many of them.

>>161089291

It's also useful gear for your 2000 ghosts in a fort, when there are enemy siege stacks on it.

>>161088667
Try it for an hour and refund if you don't like it.

>>161088667
no, but >>161090625

>>161088667
I truly wish that it was, the concept is great but it's just too boring

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Anyone have any suggestions for a good 9 player map? Old Kingdom and Snerdryn are on my shortlist but I'm sure that there's much better options out there.

>>161092179
Old Kingdom has probably too much water. Snerdryn is great. The only complaint I'd have with it is that it's a bit overused.

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Who would have liked to script that?

>>161093601
fookin 'ell

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>>161093601

>>161092392
We have a couple amphibious nations, don't we? I think water is fine.

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>>161093601
I'd rather lose the battle than script all that desu

Just bought the game after trying it out for some hours, are there any noob games that I can join? I have less than 20 hours though. Also never played multiplayer so I don't know how it works

>>161093893
Some water is fine, sure, but it's more than an entire extra nation's worth of water.

I guess the amphibs can move UW to hide from Tisor.

>>161093985
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/154641814595242400/

>>161093985
Play 6 months in SP first.

>>161092179
Hey, I'm writing nation/unit descriptions, how long do I have?

>>161093985
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/154641814595242400/

>>161093985

You're as well just hopping in any game that doesn't require you be experienced. The only person who wins in newb specific games is Malakal.

>>161094102
>>161094171
Thanks

>>161094130
I like to live the dangerous life

>>161092179
Of the two I would prefer The Old Kingdom but I'll try to find some other suggestions. I'm kinda tired of both those maps.

>>161094015
>>161093893
>>161092392
>>161094589
Snerdyn is a bit overplayed. It's not as worn out as Biddyn, and there's a good reason people keep picking it, but something fresher would be nice. I am a bit concerned about Old Kingdom's high number of UW provinces though so hopefully something else pops up.

>>161094146
A short three hours from now.

If anyone else wants a description, copy it to a pastebin and post the link. We will have a new version of our mod either way so don't be shy.

>>161095378
Cool, still working on unit descriptions and names so it'll take a little bit.

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>>161095378
This one looks pretty cool. Maybe a bit cluster-y but so is every map to some degree.

No idea how well it plays or anything.

http://www.moddb.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/addons/grigionia-aqua-10819

>>161094345
Malakal doesn't join noob games. If you have evidence otherwise, please post it.

>>161095378
>>161096080
Actually, I've been writing names and descriptions together with a reference to which line they're on, but should just do them in with the nation code, so that you can copy-paste the whole nation in to replace the computer generated one? The only theoretical problem here would be that I could sneak in a cheaty mechanical change, but I won't, and you could verify that by running a dif check anyway.

>>161096495
>hex map
Please no.

Allright boys. How do I remove this Bogus menace from my lands?

Neither just throwing troops at his posse or sending thugged out guys doesn't seem to work. And I'm not going to reroute an entire army just to get rid of five guys.

>>161096632
>Please no.
Is there a problem with them in general or is that just your preference?

>>161097114
They're aesthetically not pleasing.

>>161096632
I have no preference. Either way, I will be running a comparison to the original DM to ensure that I don't accidentally break anything too important. Everyone else should probably do the same just to double check my work.

>>161096495
I have the sneaking suspicion that this map's too small for ten players but I'll test it.

>>161097220
We're still at 9, right? Unless the ninth isn't you. Yeah, 10 would be right around the upper limit for this map, thought it was advertised as 6-10 players. I can keep looking.

>>161097184
Is it just the province border shape to you? I'm actually very attracted to hexagons so I'm not sure I can understand.

>>161097220
I'll do it the way that should be quicker for both of us, then.

>>161097342
The whole look of the map looks too artificial. I suppose it's more of a problem of tiles than of hexagons specifically.

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It looks pretty shit for playability but I love caves and cave systems more than hexagons and I hadn't ever seen this one before. Maybe someone is interested.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2485

>>161097636
It's honestly a good map if it's finished, but it has a lot of broken connections.

There's a version called fixed or something along those lines, but it's still missing a bunch. Make sure to give it a go-over in the map editor and fix up those things if you use it.

What are things I should try to prevent or play around as EA Abysia?

>>161097891
Having only fire magic and Map Movement 1 units.

>>161097891
You should rush a neighbor or two and then cry in the bathroom when you run out of steam.

You have rec-anywhere H3 so you can maybe steal a win, but you have the worst research in the game outside of popkill nations (and even then, worse than some), you have no mobility, you rely on the worst path, and your troops are expensive and counterable by any nation (literally any of them) once they get magic of their own

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Bandar Log 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Ashdod 2h file received
>Jotunheim Waiting for 2h file
Man 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
>Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Nazca 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received
Pelagia 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
Vanarus 2h file received
Sceleria 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received

This shit again? Remove Malakal from the premises

>>161093601
Jesus.

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>>161098162
>you have the worst research in the game outside of popkill nations (and even then, worse than some), you have no mobility, you rely on the worst path, and your troops are expensive and counterable by any nation (literally any of them) once they get magic of their own
tldr they're shit then

>>161098443

I thought we were postponed for the turkey genocide holidays.

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Too big for 10 people but it's an interesting map.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3082

>>161098818
it was yesterday and Malakal is a polish plumber

>>161099013
fuck that's a yummy map

>>161098818
One guy is gone til tuesday but he did his turn before leaving.

>>161098753

They're definitely not good.

There are also definitely worse nations.

>>161099154

I am now? Thats new. What I meant was I didnt bother with the turn because I assumed it wont process anyway.

>>161099349

Oh

>>161099421
Yes, so technically the next turn should have been delayed rather than this one.

Okay then T'ien I won't fight you anymore.

>>161097636
>>161097874
Fixed version had some broken connections in top left area and around that two province lake in middle left. And then probably some.

>>161098162
>rec-anywhere H3
Wot? Dragons are H2, and annointed are caponly

>>161097874
>>161099498
Yeah I can see those. I can fix up the connections easily enough but I'm more worried about the entire center of the map being solid mountains, wastes, and forest. Plus there's not river crossings (cold scales btfo).

At least I could change some of the mountains to border mountains to make some passes. Say, 109, 68, 65, and 46?

>>161099842
Oh, I was mixing them up w MA's rec anywhere mages

Well, I just did my homework and I quickly learned a few things. The biggest one was that most of suggested maps aren't going to work. We probably need a minimum of 160 land provinces to avoid having nations with adjacent cap rings. Thus, good ol' firetop2 is back at the top of the list. I'm sorry that it took so long to figure that out but I'm real glad that I did.

>>161099013
That looks like a lot of underground territory. Wouldn't that gimp most of the races without dark vision pretty heavily?

>>161098162
Abysia by no means has the worst research in the game outside of popkill nations - Niefelheim and Atlantis both have it worse, especially considering the latter never even gets lanterns.

In summod EA Aby is actually solid, due to more crosspaths for skulls of fire, slightly less enc on sacreds, cheaper mages all around, and magma children fire gem dump. They're not amazing, but they're certainly vastly more playable.

Just remember that you *have* to go blood to break into anything ever, and on larger maps where rushing a fucker or two doesn't mean you win you *have* to have a magic diversity god, ideally to at least get you into vampires. Don't worry too much about being rushed ever, because even unblessed Burning Ones pack a mean punch.

>>161099013
This makes me think HOMM3 for whatever reason.
I guess just because HOMM3 had underground layers.

Pretty nice to look at. No idea how good it is for dominions.

>>161101209
160? The rule of thumb I'm used to is usually 12-15 provinces per player. Maybe the layouts haven't worked out so well but sounds like you're gearing for a larger than average game, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Also Chrome won't let me download that file. Says it's malicious and I don't see a "download it anyway" button hiding anywhere.

>>161101761
Just use a different browser.

>>161101761
>The layouts
You just reminded that there's a ton of coastal starts. That's probably what's messing with how these capitals are being placed and why everything seems so clustered. I'll just remove those, try out a test game, and see if there's any major improvements.

>>161101331

Burning Ones wreck face. They hit 21 prot, Berserk. There's not a lot that'll reliably punch through that in EA.

Tails off later on, obviously, but they're very nice early/midgame.

>>161102138
Don't they also have negative defence?

>>161102057
>no coastal starts
Aw, but I like having 15 provinces within one turn's range of my expansion parties.

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>>161101331
15, ~16.5, 19.4 gold/rp

The upkeep is easier on Abysia, but they also require 400g more infrastructure to set up and get less RP/recruitment turn.

Lantern access is a good point, though. They give Abysia a massive research spike just because they'll have both the gems and the mages to turn them all into lamps.

>>161102168

No, they do keep a defence.

Just the one.

>>161102305
Do they? It's 2 base defense and -3 from Berserk according to inspector

>>161102138
Pretty sure it's 19 or 20 berserk on account of natural/artificial armor stacking thing, but I could be wrong

>>161102057
I definitely want my coastal start.

Anyway here's my unit descriptions and etc.
http://pastebin.com/xMNkZMYf

>>161102057
>>161102219
I'm fine having more provinces.

We should also have higher site rate, by the way. Default for LA is low as fuck.

>>161102757
Reminder that higher site frequency also increases blood income and that there will be a lot more huntable provinces in LA

It seems like I've underestimated how complex map selection can be. Would you guys be alright with starting tomorrow? An extra 24 hours gives me plenty of time to finish the descriptions, do some extra map testing, and hopefully make sure everything works. If not, I can probably knock something decent out with another hour or two of work.

>>161102219
>>161102558
Removing coastal starts wasn't that effective anyway so I'll put it back.

>>161103937
I'd be fine with that.

>>161103937
I'm really impatient to start, but having a good map is important.

How about Valanis? I know people have played on this before. Nowrap is unfortunate.

>>161104873
Valanis is absolutely awful from a balance perspective, but quite pretty

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>>161104873

>>161105908

You sound like a completely trustworthy person with no ulterior motives.

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let me know what artifacts you goys in vanillacat are forging so that i dont accidentally steal them from you

>>161105039
>>161104985
>>161104873
Valanis is pretty but I wouldn't want to start down in those caves.

Keep the suggestions coming; I'm sure we'll find one solid choice eventually.

>>161104873
I played a disciples game as Ragha running a bless strategy, the map stuck me in a corner with 2 provs of cap ring, one of which was a throne site. I would not recommend this map.

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No retreats for poor Atlantis =(

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How about Maerland? Looks like a good distribution aside from that unsightly gap southeast of the center of the screenshot. Not a huge fan of this artist's style but it works.

Huh, I forgot that Natgen could put special bonuses on capsites. Sesgorice and Omens can enter for combat training, Caevie can summon ghosts, Nadasunsa can summon void monsters, Tisor gets 50 resources, and Aoisapoka reduces unrest by 15. Neat.

>>161108202
>Nadasunsa can summon void monsters
Is that the void gate or something else? If it's the void gate, then I'm 99% sure that it's almost useless since their dudes will get attacked in almost every instance, as all non-R'lyeh nations do when they try to use it.

>>161107918
You mind running a test with ten on that? If you use debug and a throwaway S pretender, you should be able to get Eyes of Debug online by turn 2.

>>161108271
As far as I can tell it does literally nothing.

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>>161108436
Way ahead of ya. It's just tiny because the computer I have to use to play Dominions has very low resolution, plus I cropped out all the interface which covers up half the screen.

>>161093601

Doesn't look hard to script. Lots of dribs and drabs of unitypes but not a lot of different types of mages on both sides.

>>161108684
That's actually pretty decent looking so we may have our winner.

>>161108836
At least until you enter the maddening world of having different scripts for mages of the same type.

Also communionshit in general being an exponentially large pain in the ass the more mages you add into it. At a guess I would say that Oceania's Crystal Sorceresses were victims of a communion that went on for longer than prescribed, or went off script.

>>161068094
wtf does that pic even mean to convey

>>161102883
>implying I'm gonna let blood nations get their economies that big anyway

>>161109185
>implying you can stop them when there's two noobs between you

>>161108979

Still not a patch on mystics. Every mystic has different paths, the headaches trying to design a communion for each army that makes maximal use of all possible paths/useful spells without killing the slaves from off-path spells cast is a rubik's cube of horror.

Plus like, a lot of those mages are lowpath elemental mages. I'm not sure why they were even there in the fight. Oceania's crystal sorceresses probably powered some massive Undead Mastery casts from the look of things - an offpath massive fatigue spell that certainly killed them.

>>161108973
Sick. I'd also like to put in a vote for 40/45 site frequency and Story Events: On.

>>161109425
>story events
Enjoy your bubonic plague.

>>161109317
>Plus like, a lot of those mages are lowpath elemental mages
60 mages spamming cleansing water seems good

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>>161109425
>Story Events: On.

>>161109639
I will, thank you.

>>161109639
boobonic plague keklamayo

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is there some way i can report illwinter to the swedish thought police about this?

How effective of a spell is Howl compared to Creeping Doom if I'm facing 300 giants and if I am expecting a long battle? I can see the troop stats in the Manual but i don't see any info on how many wolves a turn it generates? My instincts says the wolves would be better so if the battle is long enough. But throwing 70 units of meat on my front line when i'll have mage superiority is also appealing.

Also I'm wondering how effective Wailing Winds would be. A third of his troops are Vine Orgres which are on the front line with the national troop giants behind. And those troops are all 12-17 morale.

>>161107473
Also, if you're wondering what happened to the fort walls -

I realized that I could kill your army in a straight up fight and wanted it to stay, so I snuck my wolves out to let the walls fall. I assumed that you would leave everyone there to storm once you saw that you had breached, which would let me deny your retreats and kill everything there at once.

Any LA games recruiting?

>>161111608
What kind of giants are they and what kind of battle is it?

I only play singleplayer

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>>161112089
I haven't played a multiplayer game in over 6 months

>>161114224
I want to take a break from Dominions too, honestly.

>>161107473
>>161111780
How the hell are you beating Atlantis in a fight?

>>161114416
Innovation =)

>>161114416
Mage Support

>>161111608
Creeping Doom is probably more effective if you want chaff. Howl will generate more units over the course of the battle, but a lot of those units tend to get into battle and die instantly because they're on their own and get ganged up on.

Howl has the advantage of generating wolves behind the enemy army, which can kill enemy mages if he's scripted poorly.

nooo why didnt you cast returning like i told you

If I cast a ritual that summons creatures and then am attacked that same turn, will the summoned creatures assist in the defense under one of the commanders (assuming they have the leadership types necessary), or will they just hide in the province?

>>161116419
Assist pls ;-;

>>161117786
Generally they will assist in defense. Unless forted. Or a spell that summons them to stealth mode.

>>161116419
They join the province's garrison. If there's a fort, they'll be inside of it and join the battle where the fort is stormed but not the patrolling forces. If there isn't a fort or when there is a storm, they'll be in the middle of the battlefield, similar to where PD appears.

>>161117991
>Or a spell that summons them to stealth mode.
This applies only to spells that summon stealthy commanders. Stealthy troops aren't natively stealthed for the purposes of combat.

>>161117991
>>161118076
Thank you! How about if I summon a commander with magic paths? What will its ai default to doing in combat?

>>161118190
same thing any unscripted mage would do. Cast spells if you got em, fight if you don't

>>161099013

We used this map for Domg's Bizzare Adventure. I thought it was an ok map, but it was far too cramped with its cap distribution. I remember that all the players were on the top layer, except Rlyeh who was UW, Abyssia and Fomoria for the under layer. Top has more provinces but that still felt a little too many players for the top layer.

Then again there are many up and down paths, so I guess most players just didn't think about that the layers doesn't matter that much, and should build their empires horizontally.

>>161099013
>>161118407
Honestly, you can use that map and just make many of the cave provinces in the middle layer regular provinces and just justify them as well-lit enough that a standard population and populace could live there.

>>161110703

I know this is probably a meme, but in the case it isn't: it's not illegal. And nobody here would care, except for the leftist feelgood media.

Fucking American holiday has all my games on hold over the weekend

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>161118803
>American holiday
Is is Wallmart Trampling Day already?

>>161120139
No, that just happened. Only 14 casualties reported so far. I'd never thought that the best thing about internet shopping would be that it literally saves lives, but looks like that's what happened.

>>161121781
I'm still honestly amazed it's apparently as bad as they say it is. My one and only experience of working retail on Black Friday was not at all that bad.

Dat +$1/hr, 2.5x hourly rate though.

Is it possible for a unit with recuperation to recover from feebleminding?

>>161126925
yes

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what did you do agartha, WHAT DID YOU DO?

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>>161127191
also congrats to me?

>>161101331
EA Atlantis can get into lanterns pretty easily.

>>161127695
He meant former when he said latter; I knew what he was saying tho so I didn't feel the need to correct him.

>>161107473
>>161111780
>>161114416
Most of those guys were also diseased. If they werent I would be pretty mad.

>>161102138
Remember when /domg/ was convinced burning ones were bad because they had low defense?

>>161127879
No one thought they were bad, people just thought that W9 was a bad bless for them and that they were LESS scary than some other top tier sacreds.

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>>161114416
Lemuria had superior mage numbers, shadow blast, nether darts, storm of thrones, clouds of death, and Wailing winds/Winds of Death/Rigor Mortis combo going

Atlantis had some wither bones/dust2dust

poor atlantis

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>>161127823
The front row here was mostly diseased (not all, but most). The rest were healthy. They did not need to die. =(

>>161127985
The Winds of Death was off-script, actually. The 4 shaman deaths were on account of that =(

But yes, I had a research park right next door. I left some to finish the research that I wanted for that fight, but was still able to bring many Shamans. =)

>>161128210
At least I dont have to pay upkeep for all those diseased guys anymore. Losing those wine bags is a bit of a blow but I can make more now.

>>161128340
That is a healthy, upbeat attitude! =)

>>161127930
People literally thought they were bad. This was as recently as this past february, but has been going on for years. You can see there are people unambigiously arguing that burning ones are bad, full stop, not just that W9 was bad. Somebody does argue that E is a better bless, but there are people who are arguing that Burning Ones aren't good at all.
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/132983706/#133115946

>>161128401
Healthier than my men at least.

Also I would like to point out for the record that not a single one of my provinces has any N indy mages.

>>161128548
I am very curious about one thing. Earlier you had said that you were going to show or share something about LA Atlantis. Can you explain what that was?

>>161128747
Nah. You can probably figure it out if you look at my scales, its not exactly a world breaking thing but it is nice for me.

>>161128908
death/magic/luck?

>>161128931
What dont I have?

>>161129016
Income?

But yes, I see that you have neutral order as well.

>>161129069
>no income he says

>>161129069
>Income?
kek

>>161129149
Well less than you ought to, at any rate.

>>161129254
Consider that I have been building forts since roughly turn 2.

>>161129446
3 I mean

>>161129446
You have about half as many forts as Agartha. Mictlan had more too, and his expansion wasn't particularly great.

>>161129580
Thats mostly because I have fort Autism and I dont like having them take resources from each other.

>>161129638
I'm still not really sure what the secret is. You still have acceptable money while having poor scales?

>>161129720
Yeah mostly. My sacred troops upkeep is pitiful. I have been making a profit all game.

>>161129903
I honestly think that Atlantis's real strength is your non-sacred heavy infantry and useful sea mages. While you may be resource capped on your ice warriors and fort capped on forgiving fathers, both of these scale well with, well, scales. The sacreds are kinda neat but not hugely better than ice guards, which you can get from any land fort. Meanwhile, being able to spam out more evokers/green lions/communion guys seems to be where you should be able to derive strength in the mid to lategame. I'd much rather have more of all that than a bigger bless. I guess the N9 is nice for thugging Angakoks? They're pretty expensive for their HP if you want to use them for that, though. I guess it's also useful for golems later too, which are nice.

I'm not an expert on Atlantis by any means, though. It just seems to me that you could have more of everything instead of slightly stronger cap only sacreds, which still don't really perform better than units you get out of any fort.

>>161130206
Maybe. This is my first time trying them out also. Though I do have lots forgiving fathers and I have the gold for more ice guards.

I actually really like LA Atlantis conceptually because it's naturally built around magic that you don't see used en masse super often, like wind-guided green lions and stygian rains as a default spell.

>>161099013
It's a great map, but with every map that isn't biddyn/hexiwilyr/realm it has some freaking bizarre province links and lack thereof.

squidward stop spending your pearls on imprint souls and go attack hinnom or something

this is my throne now. i stole it fair and square

>>161129903
>I have been making a profit all game.
Have people been wishing for the apocalypse in this game? Or plunging the world into darkness? Otherwise, this isn't a high bar.

>>161128485
That looks like one guy being dumb and bad and a few more experienced players telling him he's wrong.

>>161131612
>built around magic that you don't see used en masse super often
Fomoria says hi

>>161085993
>I can think of a lot of battles from my last set of turns where 20 longdead horse or a single buffed behemoth could have turned it.

And I can think of a shitton more battles where 20 longdead horsemen wouldn't have done a thing.

>hurr your circumstances can only ever be exactly like mine

Also of course BVC won't "win you the war" by itself, just like 20 horsemen alone can't win you an entire war by themselves. It's just another cheap tool in your repertoire which you can take out (And yes 8 death gems is cheap for the things you can get out of it if used properly.)

>>161138032
>8
I'm not going to be baited by the likes of you.

Also, would anyone be interested in an EA or MA game with the meme being supplies set to minimum?

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>>161138106

???

>>161138459
Not him, but hammers have a significant upfront cost and treating every item like it will be made with a hammer doesn't represent what usually happens in games.

>>161138459
>>161139241
You also need a black servant since living beings will get diseased and die. That's another 5 gems.

>>161139241
I've personally always counted hammers as gem gens that pay for themselves in 7.5 turns. Either way, you don't count an item at gemcost-2 even if you are using a hammer to forge it (which isn't always an option for MA Ermor).

>>161140118
>I've personally always counted hammers as gem gens that pay for themselves in 7.5 turns.
That's roughly the way I treat them too, but it's only true if you're consistently forging items (that are important enough to be forged even without hammer bonus).

I've made too many hammers before and had them just sitting around for lack of items to forge.

>>161141445
There is a theory which says that you need 1 hammer per 20 gems of income you are having. I believe that it's a close to how it have to be.

I want to add turn announcement functional to my little IRC-bot. How do I inform him that new turn has been hosted? IRC-bot and dedicated dom server run on same machine.

>>161142984
There's probably some way to be notified when a specific file gets edited. I'd look for that and try pointing it at the .trn files (or the ftherlnd file). Those should only get edited when a turn gets processed.

Oh shit, suddenly there is 11 people in the Race War.

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What the hell, jotunheim?

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What the hell, white?

I'm doing some memestuff and wont be at home until late. I dont think I will need a extension, but give me 4 extra hours just in case.


Unzip your turn resends, ladies.

Now that I think of it, did anyone meet each other?
Or any ideas on builds and pretenders?

>>161147450
I saw C'tis' devourer of souls.

>>161097891
Abysia has several research timings after which it's power increases considerably.

1) conj3, evoc3 - > phoenix power fireball spam: this will win you sub turn 20 wars if you pull enough mages from research.

2) evoc 7 -> Fire storm: this will catch unprepared player off guard if deployed turn 50 something along with copious amounts of fire immune chaff.

3) evoc 8 -> Pillar of Fire: pull ALL your Salamanders. This will hurt even fire resistance buffed troops and often surprises an opponent that is prepared for firestorm but not for such high single short fire damage.

You should focus on having good research to reach them fast use each of these timings to win crucial battles and become big.

Once you are big you should focus on ending the game with a throne grab asap before people can muster a counter for your guys. Blood is only plan B in case you can't strongarm your way to victory.

One more tip I would give you is to pay attention to indies because some of them can really augment Abysia's capabilities. Look mostly for mages that increase your diversity but Zotz are useful as mobile raiders and leaders for Misbred and fire resistant amazons and cavemen can also make a great addition to your armies.

>>161148267
>turn *30 something

embarassing typo

>>161146546
That's a pretty good thug, though.

>>161144060
I guess I can just store filehash right after and run script that will compare it with filehash of currently existing file, but it seems like bruteforce solution.
How does llama knows when to fire newturn emails?

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>>161148267
Thanks, I'm really liking the nation so far and how they don't deal in cowardly shit like ARCHERY
I'm assuming the magic that counters it the most are Rain and Fire resistance?

>>161099481

Accepted then!

Sent you an ingame message outlining my priorities and ideas.

>>161137779
What, tstriking or skelespamming?

>>161150113
Oh hey, what are you trading for water gems?

>>161150047
Rain and fire resistance are both up there, but since fire magic mostly does AP damage, troops with a lot of protection will take less damage from it anyway, making it even less useful come lategame, when fire magic already has little in the way of utility or spammable strong summons.

>>161150297

Other gems, I have a lot of S and E for example.

White, do your turn. At least die with dignity.

Altdorf 2h file received
Ogre Kingdom 2h file received
Dwarfs 2h file received
High Elves 2h file received
>Wood Elves Waiting for 2h file
Nehekhara 2h file received
>Bretonnia Waiting for 2h file
Tzeentch Warhost 2h file received
Nurgle Warhost 2h file received
Warriors of Khorne 2h file received
>Slaanesh Warhost Waiting for 2h file
Gorka 2h file received
Morka 2h file received
Naggarond 2h file received
>Skavenblight Waiting for 2h file
Sylvania 2h file received

>>161147187

All of you fucking players are determined to prevent this game having fast turns, aren't you?

Granted.

>>161152000
Sorry :(

I'll take it asap.

>>161152346

I'm just fucking with you. Do a double if you're the last in though, eh?

>>161152429
What nation are you so I can send you some thanksgiving gryphons? ;^)

>>161149378
>I guess I can just store filehash right after and run script that will compare it with filehash of currently existing file, but it seems like bruteforce solution.
You can't look at the last-modified date on the file somehow? That would be a lot faster than running a hash function. I've never tried to do it, but I'd be surprised if you can't.

However, I was thinking something more like this:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365261.aspx
or this
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.io.filesystemwatcher.aspx

>How does llama knows when to fire newturn emails?
No idea. You could try emailing him, ask what he suggests using.

>>161148267

>fireball spam

What is this, 2013.

>evo 8

Sure m8.

>don't bother mentioning blood or conj

Get out.

>>161153107
Thanks for the links, I will check it out.

>>161153240
>2013
13 dmg as base. 2 per caster's level. So for F2 - 17 dmg, for F3 - 19 dmg and so on.
Learn to read motherfucker.

>>161097891

All your shit is old. Take growth. All your troops are absurdly expensive and a single Destruction renders them into squishy potatoes who die easily. Against non-new players who use line formation and/or small blobs of troops, your evos will do nothing. Everything is slow and painful and mm1 and you can't go over rivers. Due to said expense your research tends to suck.

My solutions: devils, they add punch and mobility, via soul contracts forged by pretender. Fire elementals, they do damage even if the enemy doesn't place all his troops in one giant blob for you to shoot at. In ME or summod - summons. A gemgen global. Going for first fight ability (elementals) and then immediately construction 6 for lightless lanterns. Demon Lords to provide diversity and buffs. A Pretender God who can summon Illearth for again diversity and buffs. Eventually, heliophagii and demon lords for diversity and buffs. Firestorm you use to clear chaff, armoured things or fast, killy things or resistance spells will all laugh at it.

>>161153448

Back around 2013 there was a big thing about fireball spamming as abysia and some people wouldn't shut up about how great it was.

It actually sucks, due to prec issues.

>>161153448
>>161153627
Fireball spam is mostly good for the large aoe heat shock. If you fight in a heat 3 province you will set everything on fire and kill it in a couple of rounds. Prec isn't necessary at all. If you want more prec anyway, just take an Air minor bless.

>>161075691
>>161076519

Congrats on the win. My big multi-throne attack was another turn away, so I was too slow.

Here was the game for me: Had an ok starting position, but quickly got nervous because after indie expansion I bordered Asphodel and Ermor, against which skellyspam+foul vapors is useless, so I tried to remain friendly with both of them until I could transition to something that would let me not get raped.

Then Asphodel told me he was invading Ermor and wanted gold for N/D gems, which ended up working out great for me since Ermor was permanently held back from my borders and I used the extra D gems to pump out skull mentors.

I had two tart factories pretty early, but I also got distracted doing a bunch of shit I never get to do in games (summoning ancient presence, eater of the dead, etc.). I also had pretty much all the good artifacts, so there's really no excuse for why I was so slow to organize throne pushes, but I was content to play in the sandbox for a bit. It also didn't help that I got swamped with real life shit for the past few weeks, so some of my turns in that time were definitely half-hearted. Still, I was trying to win til the end, and was another turn out from my big throne push (I just took one of Asphodel's thrones this turn, was gonna take another one + 2 others next turn and had flying H3's coming in to claim them). So grats again on beating me to it.

I too was amazed at how quickly people went AI at the first sign of slight inconvenience. Although he didn't go AI, Asphodel was also completely nonresponsive after the early game, not responding to a single in-game message that I sent him after turn 30 or so.

>>161144557
Well hell. Maerland should still work with 12, I think. If not, maybe Realm of Roaring Cave Rhinos or something?

>>161154650
Also I did up some lore for my own guys. Its probably pretty shit but I just felt like I had to do it after one guy did it.
http://pastebin.com/PWFhu1d9
A bit at the start I just coppied from the first guy because I dont actually know what lines you need to change for the start site.

Hey domg, I found out why EA Xib is so borken.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popobawa

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Conjunction

>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Conjunction

How is Jomon in summod?

I can see the changelog but I dunno if they really matter a huge deal beyond more general summon encouragement. That's cool and all, but Shugenja are still a hyper-random low-level mess, they still rely heavily on being underwater (I think?), their troops are all still highish-prot & shieldless in a crossbow-age, their "stronger" options (eg master shugenja, go-hatamoto, onmyo-ji..) are still MM1.

But maybe none of that matters when you can summon things at reduced cost

>>161157638

I'll make a pretender when I get home.

>>161157638
Can total noobs join too?

Having 102 insane mages makes taking turns truly soul-crushing. I'm never playing R'lyeh again.

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>>161160384
Illwinter truly are the masters of thematic mechanics

>>161160759
I opened the image then scrolled up to not see it all at once, then i scrolled lightly down so as to not get spooked, but even just the top 1/4 of the image was too spooky so I closed

>>161160016
As long as you are willing to play it out anyone can join, but keep in mind it's not a noob game

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>>161161180
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>>161161770

>>161162874
>doom_horrors.png

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>>161163024

How do I build babby's first Tartarian SC? All the resources I find on making a supercombatant are Dominions 3 related.

What happened to that guy that made those HOMM nations, and like 10 others?
Was there ever a HOMM game played here?

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>>161166873
I'm not sure who you are asking for but I just mucked around with the HOMM3 sprites and put them into the game and took some screenshots like this one. I never got around to making a full mod nation let alone multiple.

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>>161167034

>>161163852
It depends on its paths

>>161167232
I'm only at Conj-8. Its paths are currently theoretical.

>>161167359
Dunno then. If you want a caster, just throw some boosters. If you want a melee monsters, throw on the standard res rings.

>>161167034
>>161167206

These pictures are good and I remember them and you should totally make them into actual mods.

The guy I'm thinking of was Strabonic.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?act=Search&CODE=getalluser&mid=819
AvLee (Rampart), Erathia (Castle)..too bad he put them in different ages.
Considering he apparently only ever made the two HOMM3 nations, there probably wasn't a HOMM3 game played.

Ah well, was just an idle thought.

>>161167206
What kind of stats does behemoth have? Armor-piercing attacks? And AN for Ancient Behemoth?

>>161167790
trample, fear

Game: Degeneracy
Turn number 45
Next turn due: 23:20 GMT on Saturday November 26th

>Agartha Waiting for 2h file
Atlantis 2h file received
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
>Marignon Waiting for 2h file
Ulm 2h file received

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>161167606
Oh him, he made proper nations with actual dominions-style sprites and Might and Magic lore, like VARN that is being use right now in the current modnation game.

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This is a bat thread now.

>>161158596

They still suck mostly as much. Don't go into games with them expecting them to be good or anything.

>>161170254
sum1won why have you failed me

Whoever was looking for the gekokujo mod, assuming that's the one lambert made, it's on llamaserver as 'Clans of Jomon'. The map is on there as 'Japan', but please god, make a greyscale version or something if you use it, that map rapes eyes.