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>>160803452
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I wonder how easy it will be to stay in a larger ship's blind spot with a fighter come final build of SC. It's my favorite part of playing ED with a FAS and taking on Python and up.

when can i convert a retaliator into a comfy house ship to run cargo with

>>160803579
Oh shit realistic combat maneuvering without completely arbitrary thruster placement limitations forcing us into an aircraft style flight model, anything but that!

E:D is a "space" game restricted to planetary atmo physics because VISION. Next youre gonna say cap ships should only be able to turn and vary forward thrust along the galactic plane.

When we can actually buy ships with UEC in SC do we know if we will be able to upgrade an existing hull (with its insurance) to a new ship?

>>160803873
"Realistic combat maneuvering" would be shooting someone from 100,000km away with a computer targeting system and hoping you saw them first.

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>>160803760
Literally never m8, I just traded mine in for Caterpillar, the old layout allowed for it be a space RV. The flyable layout just does not, its too cramped and too full of corridors, and it can be either comfy or cargo, but not both. and no matter what you're not getting the cozy concept art apartment.

>>160803452
is that an Idris?

>>160804037
These idiotic points need to stop. ED's flight model is shallow as fuck.

>>160804037
No that would be realistic space combat, which is not what we are doing. We are playing a starfighter game in a 6DOF environment. E:D is playing a Starfighter game in a 3DOF environment for no goddamn reason other than the people making the game want it to feel like a flight sim rather than a space sim.

>>160804082
Still more fun that SC's. Look, if you're going to pretend that space fighters are viable at all and completely ignore reality, you might as well toy with physics a bit.

We're getting mechs, right?

>>160804250
>ED
>fun
You what. Keep your speed in the blue area and joust, very fun indeed.

>>160804316
I think not, because "muh (selective) realism"

>>160804465
ED is boring as shit, but the combat mechanics aren't why.

>>160803737
for something like a polaris with zero ass defense, that'd be the achiles heel

the cap ship game could come down more to who has more small ships doing obnoxious shit like that than who has more big ships

>>160804250
I had a lot more fun with SC's flight and combat than I did with ED's.

>>160804471
mechs are not realistic in any world dude, theyre a rule of cool creation but at they end of the day they always present a tall visible profile which is easier to hit than a squat flat tank and additionally introduce as many stability issues as they solve in terms of mobility/terrain tolerance. We will probably see some mech type things in SC, but they will probably be more spidertank-esque then biped.

We will be getting superheavy infantry armor in the vein of planetside's MAX suits, and with the number of comic book nerds on staff I would be amazed if we didn't evenetually see some sort of Ironman suit.

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>>160804764
Polaris has two a Dual S4 turrets on its ass a manned top ass turret and a remote bottom assturret. It also has a pair of 360 fire arc missile pods.

Where it actually has the least coverage is directly below.

>>160804862
>Not realistic in any world

Subnautica's use of mechs is realistic. Zero gravity construction/work where a ship won't fit but a human isn't big enough.

>The Freelancer will recieve another pass to bring it up to the current standards, and the variants will be made flight ready as part of this process.

My DUR thanks you.

Melted my Andromeda and grabbed the Cutlass Black and DUR. They smell of much better profit margins.

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>>160804063
>wait on best ship for three years
>special snowflake the entire time because nobody can see it's merits
finally on the cusp of having my fat unique autism boat
>all these Aegis chads jumping off the failtaliator ship are going to make mine the new bazinga when it comes out
REEEEEE NORMIES GET OUT DRAKE IS NOT FOR YOU

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Any evocati members here?

Did they ever get around to testing weapon balance or are they still only doing flight testing?

>>160805379
in the stream weapons were clearly different, they've been slowed down to match the new fighting speeds I assume and have new animations

no idea if they actually touched damage though

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>>160805165
this. blame edgy "i'm in a 10,000 man piracy org" streamers and youtubers promoting drake as the ultimate zero flaws ship company

especially the herald, officially normie tier and being promoted by almost all of those dicks as the ultimate "if i had one ship-" ship

they'll sway away from the caterpillar when they realize it'll need to be played as a small cap ship to survive, and hopefully from the herald when they think it's a combat ship and start missing their sabres and SHs

>>160805447
there was a 2.6 ac / flight model stream???

>>160804862
>mechs are not realistic in any world
Neither are space fighters.

>>160805517

Yes? Two in fact. The pre-day stream test and the actual match in the anniversary livestream.

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>>160805517
almost everything relevant to electronic access modes for 2.6 was showcased on the stream as-played by some hip young streamers and a bunch of old faggots from CIG (so not very well, and not showing many of the actual SM features aside from running and gunning)

nothing on netcode improvements, pirate swarm, electronic access UI and QOL improvements, marine armors/customization, or anything PU-related was shown

>>160805165
>>160805490
I grabbed it spefically because I think it could be what I wanted the retaliator to be, which is a livable, surivable turretboat with decent cargo capacity. I specifically wanted a little bitty cap ship. I hoped the tally would be that but it just isnt.

They shat all over the tallys cargo and turrets, made it too cramped to be livable.

>Herald as an all rounder.
Wut even is this? It's Sam Fishers NSA mobile, things gonna be made of paper and literally unable to do anything but run away if challenged. It's a flying listening post and sometime Black Ops runabout, literally one of the most specialized ships in the game to the point of not actually being good at being a spaceship. I had one for a while but ditched it when they made it symmetrical, generic and tubby.

>>160805710
Space are unrealistic in a logistics and biology sense, people are squishy, have low G tolerance and are generally a weak link.

Mechs are tactically unrealistic, they violate the first rule of combat which is don't be visible because visible things die. In the modern world and certainly in a future environment as well If it can be seen it can be killed and the only really good defense is being hard to target.

>>160806308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFOuxAx-dkc

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best ship

You filthy non-aesthetic piggus

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>>160803452
>not including the official internal rough schedule for 2.6 and beyond in the OP
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>>160806308
Space fighters are unrealistic because they're within hundreds of km of each other, not hundreds of millions of km as would result from actual space combat.

>>160806462
Avenger confirmed for best ship

>>160806565
>hundreds of millions of km
That would be at least twice the distance between Earth and Mars and light would take 5 minutes to get there
not really viable

>>160806462
honest question, what do you plan to do with any of the avengers? it's a nifty starter ship but i'm not seeing too many people lining up to hire even the best of the best avenger pilots for any role

>>160806798
4, Four, ::, IV
Cargo units.

Ship is ruined.

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>>160806798
IT IS THE LAW

>>160806947
>4, Four, ::, IV
I still don't understand. Could you parse this out in Morse please?

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>>160806925
I will uphold the law

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>>160806827
Yes. Real-life space combat would be really, really boring, yet suspenseful and terrifying at the same time.
That's why "rule of cool" is king in scifi.

>>160805379
they did a weapon balance pass a few weeks ago.
-Increased RoF on non repeaters/gatlings. (which also increased how fast they heat up)
-Gatlings all have a crazy spin up time again(listed as a bug)
-Reduced range on everything, but neutrons.
-Neutrons now feel a bit like they're the energy version of mass drivers.
-Fucked around with ammo velocities between sizes so that it's nearly impossible to get a single pip without monoboating.
-Said they tweaked missiles but it's hard to tell what is because of changes and what's because ships are flying at half speed.

Hopefully the next push (the big 2.6 update) will have more weapons changes, but they're already jamming so much into it; the 3rd pass of flight changes, Star Marine, Herald, 85X, VG Hoplite, possibly the Caterpillar, it'll take forever to test it all.

why cant I upgrade the 85x into a cutlass? I just want muh LTI damn it

>>160806827
>see enemy spacecraft
>fire projectile at superliminal or near-superliminal speeds at where your computer expects enemy spacecraft to be in X time calculated by distance by computer
>projectile travels too fast to be detected by any known means
Behold, realistic space combat.

>>160807693
the ccu is bugged. Work around I heard was; change it into a herald first then change herald into ship you want.

>>160807840
oh sweet, thanks

>>160807786
If a projectile travels at near light speed, wouldn't the light it emits travel almost alongside it?

>>160807632

>emphasizing monoboating even more

fug

>>160807786
>target's navigation computer does constant random slight course deviations so the projectile misses by 100000km

>>160808219
Pretty much. You want to be close enough to your enemy for them to not have enough time to react, so the closer your projectile is to the speed of light, the farther away you can be.
Other than that, it's a game of "fly as unpredictably as possible and hope they miss."

>>160808583
>computer
>random
No computer can truly pick numbers randomly. The attacker's computer would then have to try to computer how the defending computer is coming up with numbers.

>>160808406
CIG really, really wants people to split up their load outs instead of consolidating fire, but they have no clue how to encourage it this late in development.

>>160808813
I still don't see how it won't be a natural reality in PU when things in PU matter.

Of course you will want all ballistics all the time, but if you are running escort or whatever, you are going to have to carry some sort of infinite ammo weapon, or risk burning out and becoming a flying damage sponge with no shooting capability.

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>>160800589
>Plasma Accelerator's ignore Engineer resistance boosts on top of all those damage buffs
If anyone remembers I was the one who was bitching for the PA buff the other day when we were discussing unkillable Corvette and Cutter FUNgineer builds.
I am now FULLY erect.

>>160809316
>>160800589
Aside from that thought I don't really understand the change to Torps. They've kept things straight with any of the really high burst damage hardpoints having a counter so I don't get why they're taking away the primary counter for Torps.
If they wanted ECM to not deal with it so consistently then up the cooldown on it.

>>160808778
>No computer can truly pick numbers randomly.
To our knowledge, certain quantum effects are truly random, so numbers based on that would be truly random too.
If in the far future it turns out they're not, and as long as pseudo random algorithms aren't instantly decoded, it would be possible to make an algorithm that needs long enough to hack to allow you to traverse a star system or whatever.
And even then, a human pilot could introduce more randomness by bumping the joystick sometimes, messing up the decoding process even more.

So basically, there's a reason why battles aren't just light minutes long instakill sniping, and a reason for human pilots. Neat.

>>160808963
when you arent dying constantly from bugs or have the luxury of 15 cry astro stations like in stanton, one of the most developed UEE systems, ammo is going to matter alot more to the point where you may not have the choice but to hybrid or even pure energy build for any kind of serious long term escorts or expeditions

i'm gonna assume that the shitty backwater unclaimed systems dont have those luxuries, while being much more dangerous

I wish Elite was a better game then it is.

Are Sakura Sun Multi-Particle Wave Cannons ammoed or power plant based? I want some NIPPON STRONK weapons in my Super Hornet without having to worry about rearming.

>>160807623
Space combat is basically cruising through space with as many sensors as possible, if you pick up a sizeable threat... you just start moving all over.

If you dont pick it up, youll randomly hear a large explosion and the entire ship just instantly decompresses without warning.

Stealth in which ever way its implemented would be huge.

>>160810028
what did anime do to you man? shhh, it's ok man it's all over now, the nips can't get to you in here.

Guys I thought the retaliator was flyable and buyable? What happened? When will i be allowed to buy it AND fly it? I remember messing about with one in my hangar and in solo PVE

>>160810721

ALL THE ANIMES

>>160810893

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/feature-list

scroll down

>>160810893
it's flyable and will be buyable again either tomorrow or some time this week when it's aegis' 24 hour sale period

When the fuck is 2.6 coming out? I just tried running missions today, but the game crashed 3 missions in a row without being able to finish.

>>160811780

December 8th... maybe.

>>160811780
evocati *might* get it friday or monday. Then likely ptr two weeks after that.

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>Powerplay is being updated to let participants to vote for slowing or stopping expansion for systems that aren't in the top 9 slots, from what I gathered if it stops or slows it depends on the ratio of Logistic Consolidation vs. Continued Expansion
>This'll allow players to make Powerplay less of a grind race every week to not be in the red, if the CC income/overhead ratio is bad you can just vote for slowing down expansion
>Aggressive NPCs of opposing powers will only attack if you're wanted or carrying Powerplay commodities
>If you commit an illegal act of assault against a pilot (be it NPC or player) of an opposing power that controls the system, the security rating for you is halved so you don't have a small army of Defence ships sent after you for trying to participant in the parts of Powerplay that require you to break the law
>Lots of Engineer Blueprint rebalancing, useless ones being slightly buffed and mandatory ones nerfed
>Fixed Weapons buffed, Gimballed nerfed
>Hull Reinforcement style items but instead for Module health, called Module Defence Packs
>Cannons heavily buffed in every way, both Fixed and Gimballed
>Plasma Accelerator's SUPER buffed in every way
>Burst Lasers now have the highest DPE but have the highest power requirement
The only changes I don't like are Torps only temporarily losing lock and Reboot/Repair restoring half of your shields (Fully kitted Player Cutters are going to be even more ridiculous but at least the PA buff will help). Everything else is pretty damn good.

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>>160812391

They were suppose to already have it.

>>160812761
>>160812391
>>160811807
>>160811780

2 weeks.

90 days, tops

i understand the whole 85x LTI token upgrade loophole, but can i upgrade the 85x into another sale ship, then into another ship that can't be directly upgraded from the 85x while keeping the LTI?

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>>160812710
>Introduce something you can use to buff your module health
>Heavily buff the current Module sniper (Cannon)
>Turn a previously garbage weapon into the Module sniper to end all Module snipers
Aren't they eating their own tail here?

Anybody know if there is a website where you can do custom loadout on the ships you have to see what kinda loadout you want?

>>160812969
So long as the relevant upgrades exist, yes.

Get ship A with insurance X
Get upgrade from A to B, apply.
Get upgrade from B to C, apply.
Result: Ship C with insurance X.

>>160813365
For which game? If you're talking about E:D
https://coriolis.edcd.io/

>>160812969
>>160813397
ok, got it to work by upgrading 85x into a herald (upgrade only works for sale ships apparently) and then that herald upgraded into anything non-sale.

>>160813202
Not really m8. Its ensuring theres a hard counter to protecting your modules.

>>160812761
>suppose to
That's the key word there, they've been saying "it's almost ready" for over a week now,

so planet landings on dec 15th??

Got my Cutelass Ebony now I just need a game package, when are they going on sale?

>>160814717

No word on 3.0 yet but it will not be December 15th. Unless you mean December 15th, 2017. Then maybe.

>>160814965
i'm still pretty confident we'll see it by march, almost none of the people working on 3.0 have been working on 2.6, and half of 3.0's features will be ready by the time 2.6 comes out anyway

>>160813436
SC sorry.

>>160816102
March would put them way behind schedule. I"m thinking January at least PTU.

>>160814820
This weekend.

>>160816102
>>160816168

With the delays we have seen with 2.6 so far even with separate teams I think the delay will be longer the January. March is probably closer to reality but maybe still a bit too optimistic.

>>160814717
Dec 15th 2018.

>>160816257
They'll hit January even if they have to crunch. Most of the team isn't even working on 2.6

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Aw come on you guys. Most of you have been here long enough to realize that we're not going to see 3.0 till June/July next year.

And that's being optimistic.

>>160816168
honestly i think they're going to take advantage of 2.6 being delayed to try and cram as much as possible into the 3 main planets and continue development past the intended 3.0 release criteria that will probably be done by january

I just want something to play off and on for a couple months that isnt the abomination that is 2.5, if 2.6 is pretty alright then I can deal with +1/2 months of refining done to what would have been the original 3.0 dec/jan release

>>160816407

March still is a possibility anon. As stated they are separate teams working on each patch so I don't think Match is too far fetched. But yeah June is towards the pessimistic side of realism.

>>160816340
We can hope. Did they switch working on the fucked netcode to 3.0 or will that be ironed out by 2.6?

>>160816473
Its gonna come down to integration time. Cargo mechanics etc that were previewed for 3.0 looked pretty developed, we know planets are pretty developed. Integrating that into main trunk + testing with new netcode etc.. who knows.

New netcode alone might break everything and set 3.0 back by months.

>>160816738

I thought netcode was always 3.0.

>>160816813
I've been of the understanding that it's always been 2.6 for network. And that's been the most monumental issue that's been pushing everything back.

Remember UK tax year end is beginning of April (5th?). I don't know how CIG internal finances works but a cash boost immediately before then may be a secondary goal.

>>160816938
no. 3.0.

So how can I make the Gladius even better than what is is now. What weapons should I put on it?

>>160817740

3x S2 Tarantula

with the rebalancing in 2.6, who the fuck knows

>>160817681
Oh well shit.

Yeah the net code is going to fuck that into 2018 Based off of how we've seen them fumbling with it.

>>160817812
How did you managed to get 3 S2 Tarantulas?

>>160818139

I bought a pair a long time back, but you can just get credits playing vanduul swarm and rent them through https://robertsspaceindustries.com/electronic-access

got 400 in total investment with this sale been moving my ships around.

Getting Banu Merchantman as soon as it goes up, now I have a cutless blue with LTI right now the question is to swap it out for a sabre or wildfire.

Not trying to spend any more so only spending whats banked any thoughts on a good fighter to go with the BMM? I had a sabre/conni/kore befor reranging but may be last chance to get a BMM for 250 befor price increase with its size increase like the 890j.

Don't want to miss the chance and end up grinding in game or paying 400 or more for just the BMM

Ok guys I'm starting to get around to increasing standing with all the engineers. Is the only way to increase standing with the dweller really just to sell shit at his shitty station?

>>160812710
I swear to god if they nerf frame shift range mods I'm going to fucking explode.

>>160820182
That or choose a Blueprint that has easy to get/find materials and recraft it over and over. Which applies to all Engineers.

>>160820337
They're not, heres the links for all the specific changes
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/309693-2-2-Update-Combat-Balance-Adjustments
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/309695-2-2-Update-Engineer-Blueprint-Balance-Adjustments
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/309692-2-2-Update-Powerplay

What is the actual difference between the F7C and the F7C-M?

The F7C has a single seat cockpit, less armor, more manouverability (lower mass), does not come with the ball turret as standard (but can equip it)?

What justifies the $50 more on the Super Hornet?

>>160820337
I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit about the Engineer mods not related to combat, which FSD falls under.

So how's it going lads? Any news?

>>160820730

Bigger power plant and comes with a jump drive base. Plus the second seat can be very useful for bounty hunting.

>>160820840
Cool, thanks.
I didn't realise F7Cs don't come with jump drives :o

>>160821058

Pretty sure you can equip them on any Hornet but just don't come base. But the powerplant up size is pretty big I think.

Looking at the stats both the f7c and the f7cm are able to mount three size-one power plants, or one size-two power plant.

>>160821661

F7C-M can mount a size 4 power plant. F7A also sizes a size 4. F7C, F7C-S, and F7C-R all can only carry a max size 3.

>>160821661
>>160821823
Keep in mind that the Ship Matrix is horribly outdated and written way before the component sizes for things like shields and power plants were reworked.

Have they confirmed what will be up for sale on the exotic manufacturers sale yet?

I am regretting trading in my Retaliator. The Caterpillar is unquestionably better, but I jus dont like it the way I like the retaliator.

>>160821823
>>160821918
I'm looking at in-game stats for 2.5 right now, not the shitty website. Both have 3*s1 and 1*s2 power plant hardpoints.

>>160822665
tracker and ghost same

>>160822363
You must be faithful to your Spacefu anon, no matter how the ignorant may tarnish her reputation.

>>160822665

That is funny since they patched out the reason to get a Super Hornet at this point.

>Taking current stats as final

We've been down this road before lads..

>>160822775
Its not a question of the ignorant tarnishing, its me looking objectively and saying "they ruined my favorite ship with poor design choices and barring a major rework its going to stay shit." I couldn't care less what anon says about the tally.

I like the modular nature of cat, but fucks sake is it ugly. The Cutlass and bucc have a certain aggressive, mean look to them which the Cat just lacks. It looks like something an ork would fly and not in a good way.

Im kinda kicking around for what else I might buy, E Hull, Endeavor, I have enough ships and credit to grab literally anything but a Javelin. Theres just very little that appeals to me lately.

Any new concept coming down the pike that we know of? I been scratching my head and coming up dry.

>>160822793
It'll probably change in 2.6. Or not. Who knows.

>falling for the LTI meme
>Expecting 3.0 before June
>2.6 and fps module total crap
Oh boy

>>160821918
>Last updated August 25, 2016

>>160823564
A lot of the issues with the Retaliator would be fixed by allowing some flashfire mounts, but the interior would still be a mess and the overall turret layout wouldn't allow that great of a flashfire arc convergence anyway.

>Any new concept coming down the pike that we know of? I been scratching my head and coming up dry.
There's been the occasional mutterings from the devs (and Ben) about Consolidated Outland making a Constellation-sized multirole vessel.

>>160823757
Literally all they did was jam more concept ships onto the end of the matrix, nothing else has actually been updated.

>>160823757
Protip: When they say "updated", they mean they added something or changed one thing. Not actually updated everything on there.

There are hardpoint numbers on there that have been wrong for literal years.

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>>160823775
Only two of the turrets could even fire forwards, wouldn't really solve shit.

Its just a ship without and reason to exist at the moment.

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>>160823940
I just found it funny that despite the several concept ships we've had since then no one bothered to at least change the last updated date

>>160824056
No thats not the issue, it has a reason to exists and no one is complaining because they don't have caps to pop. They are complaining because CIG took a well laid out concept and ruined it with poor design choices. They changed it radically in the process of bringing it into the engine and the changes were uniformly bad.

The issue is that the interior layout is a maze of wasted, useless space that serves only to make moving around the ship a pain in the ass. The entire ship consists of three parallel hallways with nothing in them. The turrets are anemic and poorly placed and you have to aim the ship to get 2 or more turrets onto the same target reliable which completely defeats the purpose of having turrets. The pilot has access to no weapons whatsoever side from the primary torps, making it a mandatory multicrew ship, while also making those turrets which you must man or die one of the least efficient uses of manpower in game. It requires 7 people to fully man and for those 7 people you get less firepower than a superhornet.

It was billed as a modular flexible platform but its cargo option is fucking tiny and the Dropship module is the only swap out that could potentially bear use.

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>>160824541
It was also one of the first multicrew ships produced. Mistakes were made.

>>160824950
I just wish they'd say something about it, everyone who has one knows they're shitty, CIG knows they're shitty the Tally forums consists entirely of people disappointed by the idiotic layout and terrible turrets. And fucking silence no "we know its poorly done and will revisit it" no "that the deal folks" no "were busy now but plan to overhaul it in the future" fucking nothing. Like it is objectively bad and they don't seem to care. It would make a great deal of difference if they just ackowledge the concern of the community that one of the more iconic and also more balance sensitive ships is so poorly designed that it cannot survive doing its intended role and cannot be modified to fill others.

>>160823981
This is too much vision for one person anon.

>Both the Orca and Beluga Liner, the designated Passenger Liners have shit jump range
Isn't that counter intuitive to their purpose?

>>160824624
did deadpool get a nosejob?

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Maybe I'll pick up a base model thats only 150. I'd feel less bad about a $150 ship being shitty.

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>>160826250
Enjoy your impotent ship.

Flying a retaliator expecting it to be a good bomber is like a guy who can't get an erection or produce sperm thinking he's going to be a dad.

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>>160826370
I never wanted a bomber is the thing, I bought it when it was demilled surplus ship sold off to civilians. My assmad is more about the fact that the comfy retaliator from original concept never happened and instead we got a series of poorly laid out cramped tubes which are not even combat effective.

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>>160826250
Don't. You are better off getting a Freelancer plus something else.

>>160825807
Cruise ships are for luxurious sightseeing.
Planes are for fast transportation.

>>160826562
I don't think he is complaining about the speed but the amount of jump fuel the thing DOESN'T carry.

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>>160826560
I have many other things, the retaliator is my shipfu.

Literally my very favorite ship, they just fucked it up so badly I'm not sure I wanna have $250 sunk into a ship that'll never ger used for anything.

>>160804063
It just badly need a whole rework

>>160812761
you are why they didn't want to release these internal dates

>>160827039

What was really funny was that the start date for the Evocati was the day they released it. You would think that would have been revised.

>>160827602
the chart says to me that parts of it are supposed to be with evocati, though it's as easy to read as a thesis in gender studies. it looks like the AC stuff is with evocati, while everything else is expected later.

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>>160827735

This is the chart for Star Marine. Same dates for Evocati.

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Something that caught my eye in their variant video.

They swapped the missile rack and gun locations on the Avenger. The guns are now closer to the center (and in the area where it's extremely hard to shoot them off)

Kind of a neat change since it makes convergence less of an issue than previously while also giving your main weapons less chance of getting shot off in a fight.

>>160827982
Good eye, Anon. I didn't notice that.

>>160827982
Huh, good catch. Does it have longswords or whatever the S2 version is called on the wings? And two S3 missiles?

are orbital mechanics and trajectories going to be a part of either elite or star citizen? never quite get that oh shit i cant adjust muh trajectory feel.

>>160829057

looks like longswords and probably S3 missiles

>>160824541
The turrets are "anemic" because a strategic bomber farting around in a tiny playable area full of fighters with nothing to actually do (the idea of get in, dump torpedoes and escape under cover doesn't exist when there is nothing to strike)

If the Retaliator could just ignore fighters, that wouldn't be balanced at all. You could argue it could be tougher, but thats about it. Buffing it to the point its self-reliant would be pointless and stupid.

>>160829291
2xS2 is not worth a player and no crew station should be designed to be filled by an NPC because it would be a waste of a player. they need either bigger guns, more small guns per turret or better placement so you can always target a fighter with multiple turrets.

>>160827982
Every time I look at that sweet Avenger ass I want one, but then I remember that I already have a Constellation and Super Hornet so it would be kinda redundant.

>>160830293
Wot.
How? I've never seen those offered before.

>>160814717
December 15th 2019

>>160814717
Dec 19th 2020

>>160830391
LHS 1617
Refinery, no special states in system.

>>160830293
I saw a similar distance for twice the payout.
Regardless half way through the trip you really start to question if it was worth it.

>>160830583
At least you get your exploration rank to Elite pretty safely that way :^)

>>160830639
I just wish I could save a destination and then autoplot a route up to the 1,000 LY limit without having to manually find something within the 1,000 LY cap to plot to.
I also wish exploration was more involved than honking and looking for blue planets.
I also wish high metal content planets didn't disguise themselves as earthlike all the fucking time.

>>160829919
Or you can take a read of what I wrote again and actually try understanding it next time.

>Turrets shouldn't be designed with NPCs in mind

Lmao yeah let me just find a WoW raid worth of people to man turrets for 3 hours on my javelin because that's extremely fun. They are, and always were going to be, mainly NPC operated.

>Fit up my anaconda for a material farming run
>Hit up a high res
>Start picking up fines because I can't set my limpets to ignore illicit cargo
>Realize how retarded it is that I need limpets in the first place because they won't give us some common sense tractor beams
>Canisters are surely magnetic, just give us a big electromagnet for fucks sake.

>>160826559
>I never wanted a bomber is the thing, I bought it when it was demilled surplus ship sold off to civilians
^This

>>160822363
I've had both the tali and the cutless and still love them however I got rid of the tali for a conni and just find it better in every way other then looks.

maybe the tali will get reworkd or atleast front slaved turrets or something but it just sucks unless you have a full PC crew in every regard the capital bomber in it all just isnt worth it.

Is there any point to turrets when gimbals exist?

>>160833698
Firing backwards or extreme off bore.

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> Lmao yeah let me just find a WoW raid worth of people to man turrets for 3 hours on my javelin because that's extremely fun. They are, and always were going to be, mainly NPC operated.

Reminder that there is a moron who want little to no npc crew so only Org can field multicrew ship and only a few players have fun playing & taking decision

Can't wait to invite a few friends and raid a Vaandul fleet with a javelin, an Idris, 2 polaris, and npc fighter

Do you guys think it's likely we'll see more polaris sized ships? The size and single fighter nature appeal to me but the shape of the polaris and torpedoes don't excite me a great deal. Have the devs teased at any other cap ships that we know of?

>>160834959
Probably not for a while into launch

>>160834552
I wouldn't know because I don't play WoW :^)

>>160834552
>only Org can field multicrew ship and only a few players have fun playing & taking decision

But this is how the other game in your example works

>only groups can raid and only a few players are in charge

If you want 1 man "raids" you're gonna be a little disappointed despite all that money you spent :(

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>>160834959
I really want a drake gunboat corvette, but like >>160835028 says probably not for a quite a while. Realistically the market for $700 ships is probably pretty tapped right now and for the near future so any new corvette they made would likely get a lots of melt-and-treade and fairly few new sales.
While I really dislike the jewy "cash discount" which is really a surcharge for store credit buyers, i understand *why* they're doing it. When they release a new concept they want to get a funding bump out of it and if they incentivize new sales rather than trades a little they get more of a bump. I do however think its really bad PR, in particular doing it blatently with an existng ship is just bullshit. I get bumping a 1250 Idris to 1300 a year later, but taking 200 on top of that for stare credit is just bold faced merchantry.

>>160835387
Get a load of this elitist.

>>160836568
No, the elitist is the whale who thinks that because he spent lots of money on a big ship he should be able to do group content by himself.

Wanting group content to be group content regardless of how much money you spend is quite literally arguing against pay to win. Many players should always be more powerful then one player and certain things should flatly require many players to do.

Not an arbitrary "you must have 5 people to do this mission" but rather a "if youre all really good you could get away with bringing 3 players, but if you're shit you should probably bring 7 and even if your gods own avatar of space combat there's 12 of em and if you go alone you're gonna die" Things like pushing into vanduul space for example. If you try to fight a vanduul clan alone without other human minds to help solve problems, you should get fucked in the ass, regardless of what you are flying, be it a cutlass or a javelin.

NPCs should ALWAYS be a second choice when compared to a competent player. You wont always be able to run a crew of people, but you should always want to.

>>160836568
Nah I don't own or particularly want a capital ship, I just think making them soloable defeats the entire purpose of such large ships.
If the endgame revolves around everyone being able to fly a capital ship what is the point in fighters or bombers?
Being cheaper to lose isn't a valid reason for people to make themselves weaker btw.

>>160837114
>the elitist is the whale who thinks that because he spent lots of money on a big ship he should be able to do group content by himself
>flying a ship they bought
>group content
Sorry, you're the elitist.

>>160837836
>Designed for use by the UEE military, the Javelin is a massive, modular capital ship that can be appropriated for entrepreneurial use. With a detailed interior, plenty of modular room options and a high crew capacity, the Javelin is a ship intended for group play.
>intended for group play.

Did you seriously buy a capital intending to fly it alone?

>>160837972
The retaliator is intended for group play. You don't need a group for it. You get in your cockpit, fly away and use it like a fighter.

The Javelin can be piloted by a single person. Doesn't even matter if I want to use NPCs in one, I can fly it as I see fit.

Also the argument was about hiring NPCs to take those other roles, and some elitist carebear in RSI saying they should only be for big orgs to use.

Too bad NPCs will be allowed in capital ships and your whining is irrelevant. See you in the 'verse, Commando! o7

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I'm going to fucking choke when this game comes out and all the whales quit because there 10+ crew ships are 90% useless outside of some massive niche moment where you fly it for a couple hours a year.

Honestly I would have loved for SC to take a more Cowboy bebop theme to it and have 3-10 man light carrier ships and focus on multi snub fighters of varies types and themes.

anything over 12 people right now seems far to ambitious with how its looking.

>>160837836
no, he's right. this is like playing any other mmo and saying
>since I have a premium sub, why can't I run these raids alone? pay too much to have to rely on other players

>>160838292
>I would have loved for SC to take a more Cowboy bebop theme to it and have 3-10 man light carrier ships and focus on multi snub fighters of varies types and themes.
this will probably be how all the bigger ships turn out, with all the boring utility roles filled out with NPC crew and the fun stuff that an AI can't be relied on for being reserved for the players.

>>160838526
No he's wrong. It's elitist to shit on 90% of the people in the game and reserve special things for just a circlejerk hardcore raiding org. Please just go back to WoW. Stop shitting up my video games.

>>160838197
See you in da verse! (until you quit because the game has a mode of play for groups)

What have you guys picked up / planning to pick up this week? I upgraded my 325 to a herald and am hoping Carrack CCUs are available on the next day, thinking about trading my Aquila for one.

I don't even know what you people are arguing about now, it isn't like CIG isn't going to provide tools for people to find other players as crew and I'm sure depending on the content there's even people perfectly willing to sit inside a turret for a long time, and it isn't like most of them will suddenly decide to band together and rob you of your ship

>>160838716
BMM w/LTI

and may or may not grab a sabre or connie

melted all my stuff down and toning down my hanger to be more specialized with BMM as my profit/main vessel and a solid fighter to go with it.

Also switched out the Kore mini hauler into the kore skirmisher as with 3 month insurance dont really want anything to big on my game pledge.

>>160838197
You cant use the retaliator as a fighter even if you where to put flashfire mounts on it the damn thing would still be more useless then a aurora or mustang...

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>>160838667
>90% of the people in the game don't have any friends
anon there will be hardcore Xtreme raiding content but it's going to be a small portion, however the average capship is still going to require multiple people to run at proper effectiveness. this is just common sense. there will be systems in place where you can hire reputable strangers when you need a crew, so even an autist with more money than social skills will be able to play just fine.

>>160839069
>still going to require multiple people to run at proper effectiveness
What if I just want to fly it around and don't care about being meta? Stop shitting on people's gameplay with your narrow, limited and out-dated ideas.

Also, NPCs will be able to crew large ships.

See you in the 'verse, Commando! o7 >>160838696

>>160838903
>You cant use the retaliator as a fighter
Except you can fire torpedoes from it and fly away or ram people.

>>160839587
lol you are so fucking buttblasted I have to wonder if you aren't actually Hodor, nobody said you can't fly your autism boat around alone, just that you're going to get rekt if you try to do anything of consequence with it. we tried to warn you but hey feel free to prove us wrong

>>160839760
He just wants to take on a Vanduul clan with his multiple capital ships pls do not bully

>>160839760
>just that you're going to get rekt if you try to do anything of consequence with it

Hey guess what. I'm the guy that got called Hodor for saying people should be allowed to fly their ship with NPCs.

I'm the same guy that said it will make it easier for players to steal their ships and that's a good thing.

Whale:
>can fly solo
>doesn't have to interact with anyone
>have all the NPCs they want
Whalers:
>can more easily steal capital ships
>more likely to encounter capital ships
>kill NPCs and have fun raiding javelins/idris

I don't want javelins to be more rare, I want them to be around quite often so we can fight against them and steal them more.

>>160838292
>>160838615
Anything Polaris sized or bigger is going to be an orgwars vessel and while some of them will be getting used all the damn time by big active orgs, the majority are going to be hangar queens that never fly except for when their resident whales take them out to fly around and fap about how they have a cap ship.

t. Polaris owner who has a literal 500 man org to recruit mans for polaris.

>>160838197
>Retaliator as a fighter.
M8 the tally pilot has no weapons aside from 6 fuckhueg torps that are only useful for blowing the shit out of things significantly bigger than a tally. You can take it off an fly it around alone but with turret gunners you will literally get your shit pushed in by an avenger.

>>160838526
Exactly this.

>>160838667
Its not special reserved content you fucking autist. Its not a raid, this is not wow or eve or fucking everquest. Its not shitting on 90% its, this is group content find a fucking group. Its not elitist to have multiplayer objectives in a multiplayer game.

>>160839069
there wil not be "hardcore raiding content" becasue this is not an MMORPG. Its an MMOFPS sandbox. As ive said said before SC will have in common with Rust and DayZ than is does with WoW. Things will be hard becasue of number of enemies, their tactics and skill and their locations, not inflated stats or level advantages. There will not be "raids" in the WoW sense, there will be places with shittons of enemies or places with particularly lethal enemies or places with enemies you don't expect or ambushes or backstabbing enemies. Sides will not be clearly defined, stuff like proper target ID before engaging will be important shit, legality of aggression will be important shit. "this instances requires 10 people and at least a cap ship" will not be important shit. The only obstacle to such thing will be perhaps a mission req of a ship realisitcally capable of killing the target, no one will hire you to go fight a vanduul invasion with your hull C

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I'm so glad I started this whole thing by mentioning WoW.

Coming back to this sperg drama

>>160840610
>Its not special reserved content
Yes it is.

>only MY big org who has to take orders on teamspeak or get kicked, should have access to capital ships! it's a privilege not a right!


>the tally pilot has no weapons aside from
So it has weapons? Just like I said.

>>160840749
>only MY big org who has to take orders on teamspeak or get kicked, should have access to capital ships! it's a privilege not a right!
could you strawman any harder? go back to RSI, it's where you belong

>>160840279
>doesnt have to interact.
It's an MMO get friends or fuck off you autisitic fucker, said as an autistic fucker who usually plays solo in multiplayer games, I dont expect to get the perks of group play while playing by myself.

Literally the fucking jews did this, this cancerous type of snowflake entitlement where "I should get to do things I am unable to do and have things I want but cant reach be rewarded and praised for stuff I didnt actually do" needs to fucking die.

If you want to fly your very own battleship play EVE you shit. This is an FPS and one person can only do so many things at a given time, and the more of an NPC army each individual can have the more 1) money will matter more than skill or knowledge and 2)the game will turn into a grindy spawn fest of churning through a horde of NPCs before you get to shoot at a target that actually matters.

>>160840883
Hey, kid. No matter how hard you shitpost, CIG have already confirmed that you can crew a ship with NPCs.

You lost. Move on.

>>160836469
Doesn't anyone else see a problem with this "We can't really sell more ships at this price so we just won't make them" attitude?

So have they made statements about if they're going to keep selling cash shop full on ships once the game is "live"? Is that going to be their business model? How is that not pay to win again?

the game that will be most similar to SC is Puzzle Pirates now shut up
>>160840964
I doubt that's what's stopping them or we wouldn't have as many fighters as we do have now
and as far as I can tell the original plan was to just sell UEC as their business model after "launch", whether that's pay to win is another question, but I don't think they'll keep the ships

>>160840749
having//usable

>>160840964
They previously said after release all ships will only be obtainable from ingame and the cashop will focus on cosmetic and dress up with entry level items.

Rather or not they stay true to this is up for gamble.

>>160840950
They have also talked about hireing limits per player so even a cap ship would new a core crew to even hire enough NPCS to man it.

>>160840749
>only my big org that has to take order or get kicked
you know how I can tell you've never been in a big guild. Because the bigger the guild is the less each individual following orders matters, the bigger you get the less you give a shit about people ignoring you or making fun of you or being counterproductive or self interested.

The only time orders and clear comms and rank matters is when your doing immediately competative tactical teamplay IE we are fighting other humans right now or preparing to fight other humans very soon, beyond that the bigger the org the more casual it is.

And if you are so self assured and contrarian that you cannot work as a team ever and always need to call the shot then fuck you, build your own org by finding people willing to follow your clearly autistic ass or actually fuck off and I hope you don't get to see any of the "special group content" as punishment for being a self absorbed inflexible shit.

t. VCO hotdropper NC, Emerald. We are tacticool to the point of misery when were trying to win an alert but 99% of the time we are just fucking around for shits and giggles and there are literally a thousand of us.

>>160841231
>They previously said after release all ships will only be obtainable from ingame
So long as they've made the statement, I can be justifiably pissed when they reneg on it.

>>160831053
They ignore ejected shit now at least, so you can dump illegal goods and they won't pick it back up again.

>>160840964
right now its literally just a matter of they have like 40 unfinished ships to make and they add new ones faster than they finish old ones so the backlog keeps getting longer.

Im >>160836469 and Im sure we'll get more corvettes, both before launch and also after launch there will be more that are never sold for cash. I'm jsut saying dont expect it any time soon simply because the role is filled for the moment and they have many other roles to fill as well.

>>160841468
there are probably enough people who knows that CIG has said something like that that even the forums will be pissed if they do reneg on it

>>160830748
>not listening to the planets on the system map to weed out "whiny" blue metal rocks

>>160841478
>>160841640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFv6Hoe5wE8&feature=youtu.be&t=8m35s

talks about post release sales

>>160841827
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/173901/#Comment_173901

more info and offical chris roberts post

>>160842216
>2013

Might as well be written in hieroglyphs

>>160840698
>Game devs say thing is going to be X
>/vg/ positive thing is going to be Y
>Later thing is released and it is X
>/vg/ is fucking ruined how could CIG do this, this must be those hornet niggers. They can't keep getting away with this
Rinse and fucking repeat every year.

>>160841591
their ship pipeline has actually started to catch up, they're starting to put out more ships than they come up with, and anyway a lot of them are just internal concepts that are ideas for if and when they get the time and feel like throwing something new in. look at the x85, we didn't even know it had a concept and here it is pretty much done. they've done this a few times now.

>>160842216
>Wow, there's a few things that get real gamer's blood boiling more than "micro-transactions" - perhaps "DRM", "EA" and "Pay2Win" but that's about it.
>2013
oh Chris

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So, npc when? 2.6? 3.0? 4.0?

>>160842729
>>160842216
wtf i love cris nao?!

>>160843568
Oh shit, I want to be inside her ship.

>>160843727
Err, sorry, I meant I want my ship in her hangar.

>>160843727
She's from Hawken, they only got mechs.
btw don't play Hawken, it got steered to crash and burn and now it's undead.

>>160843902
Well shit.

I guess here's hoping there's a renegade NPC as hot and greasy as her.

>>160843902
>>160844138
Game had a lot of potential was very fun and I kept top 10/50/100 ranking for awhile in it.

It's the most undead game I've seen being brought back and patched and sold as a semi free console game but has avg 500 players a day across pc/ps4/xbox RIP

>>160838667
Hire your shitty ai then to man your ship and watch as you are laughed at by a player crewed vessel.

No ai will ever match up to competent players. This game does not look to break this trend. You can play alone you filthy sperg. But you'll never be competitive.

>>160844340
really is a shame, it was an absolutely gorgeous game and the beta was actually quite fun.

>>160844340
Yea, played from alpha to about the time the developpers got bankrupt because of trying their damnest to kill it, and then the new owners thought it was a good idea to kill it some more.

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hey fagolas, few questions as i come back to this shit

i've been gone since like mid 2015 from ED and got back in this shit and its ok so far

though i think my computer might not be able to handle planets, last night as i approached one ( i dont have horizons yet) my game froze up and crashed, and until today when i reinstalled it through steam it locked me forever in that fucking orbit to keep on crashing

do i really need to buy horizons to go make some fucking immense jew shekeling down in planets or is my computer just being an autistic shit?

also how the fuck did we merge scg and edg this is ok

>>160842508
Yup
See
>>160837972

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>>160837114
The joke is on you, I didn't spend more than minimal Aurora pledge.
Npc crew is to allow what everybody want SC for : Captaining a badass spaceship without having to suck an Org's leader dicks who bought LTI Idris and fighters

You are the one sounding like a whale, wait more like a DAD !
Quick ! Someone draw this
"I go at work to follow the orders of a Manager who yell at me for being late. So when I get home, I like to take a cold beer and pretend to follow the orders of a space captain who yell at me for being late on the little time off I get."
- NotPlayingCitizenTothebone

> NPCs should ALWAYS be a second choice when compared to a competent player.
Wost game design ever. you play with friend because you like them, dev want NPC to be as good as needed to have even more fun with friend.
We don't care if you want to Interview random players every time you want crew, but don't go bitching if we bitchslap you with a Npc crew we earned in game.

>>160844921
>You are the one sounding like a whale, wait more like a DAD !

What is this forum tier speech?
You just need some ellipses and you're set.

Nice vertical progression btw

>>160844921
you say that you want to just not do the social part of a social game and in the same breathe tell me that I'm the one who is "not playing the game"

>Npc crew is to allow what everybody want SC for : Captaining a badass spaceship without having to suck an Org's leader dicks who bought LTI Idris and fighters.
Snowflakest statement ever, Daddest statement ever, whalest statement ever.
"I want to be at the top end of the spectrum without climbing the ladder, I want to be in COMMAND without actually ever doing any of the stuff below COMMAND, I don't want to learn team work or leadership skill, because I don't want a team I want MINIONS"

Let me tell you something famalam, you're at the top of a spectrum already.

>Requiring Teamwork in an MMO
>The most basic form of social interaction, so intrinsic to society that animals learn how to do it.
>Bad game design.
We is always greater than I.
A bunch of robots is not we.

>I didn't spend more than the Aurora.
So you're an autistic friendless poorfag who wants a free cap and the only way you will ever get one is by stealing one from an autistic friendless richfag whose ship is crewed entirely by NPCs who are not intelligent enough to aniticipate your single man boarding party moves. Pictures getting clearer.

By the way your English is still shit.
Are you a BR or a Russian? This is some pingnigger logic if ever Ive encountered it.

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What... what the hell...

>>160844921
>there will never be stations like this in SC
>CMDRs will never have legs
>you will never walk around a centrifugal gravity environment like this, even in a videogame

>>160818438
if the BMM is the ship you plan to play the game around, then it should be on sale again this week and you can 85x meme it into LTI. i'd spend the rest on small utility craft or other cargo related ships at that point unless you're under the assumption that you'll be able to hire NPCs to effectively fly escort using your fighters

>>160844845
What hardware

And what kind of demon has infected your PC? Try their actual forums

>>160845926
what am I missing

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>>160846097
>Team window for battle royale
>That chat
>That team list
I just want to play some Arena Commander help.

>>160845996
I get that it probably doesn't make you feel that way because of the scale, but isn't the Citadel in ME basically that?
and depending on when was anti-grav invented, it's possible older stations still exist without them that relies on spinning instead

>>160846173
you literally will never find a match with more than 1 person unless you're a 3 mil subs youtuber/streamer with a 10,000 man org's worth of contacts who log in just to be on stream

>>160846325
Are you stoned?
I'm trying to play Battle Royale. There's always a match going with 5-10 people in it. I've been playing all damn morning until I had to restart to equip some new rental guns.

>>160846173
have you never played a team game before? a lobby chat window and team list are the most basic of features.

>>160846306
it did come to mind but the only thing that makes it that is a texture out some of the citadel windows, not even a low polygon model of it, literally just a picture. I wanna look up, see my friend standing uspide down, and be able to walk around and meet him in the middle.

>>160847037
Have you never played Arena Commander before? Do you not understand that this screen is fucked up? There are no teams in Battle Royale and it doesn't show the side by side team window normally? That those oddly named people joining and saying the same pre-scripted line over and over isn't normal?

I got into some kind of test/debug version of the Arena Commander menu and I don't know how, why, or how to get out of it without restarting my game a dozen times and crossing my fingers hoping it doesn't bug out. No, you can't actually get into a game from this lobby screen.

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is it too hard to identify teammates right now, or is this okay

the armor sets don't really distinguish themselves that much in the low light

>>160846085
no idea what got into it, and honestly i dont want to go down and try again

i know my PC hardware isnt much, but it runs ED smoothly enough, truth i only have 4gb ram because poverty but it works like a charm

is it my pc or is it some meme demon

> refer of SC as MMO raids but suck at understanding basic game design
A raids is a mission that ask for several player
An Idris is a player's personal spaceship, loot-mover,
A SC raid would be several players with each their own Idris acting in concert (across the whole system ?)
WoW shaped its raid around players because that game's physics is too shitty to even let you move a siege ballista around, go try to play Bannerlord without npc.

It's amazing how far ahead of its time Star Citizen is going to be, here at least.
You'll have dad's head exploding at the idea of having fun

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Standalone-Ships/Aegis-Idris-P-Frigate-LTI

One meltcredit Idris left

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxJj-Tkp8P4

>>160847952
>an idris is a personal spaceship
anon, no.

>>160847141
eh, I was thinking of how the Presidium Ring curves around
>>160847597
the name tag thing should show up more often, and I feel the game in general could use a bit more lighting

>>160848038
literally yesterday's news

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>>160848160
I had actually forgotten about this, but again, it just looks like a texture; you can't actually walk up there and 90% of the curve isn't actually there.

>>160844407
>You can play alone
Good :^)

>>160847597
iirc they said that they don't want players to stand out, and we'll probably see some IFF system once making a squad actually does anything.

>>160849395
I realize that for the PU, but this is star marine call of duty deathmatch here, I feel like teammates should be a bit more immediately recognizeable. for that matter, the PU should also have a grouping system where you can add a few friends to your HUD for ease of tracking each other's movements.

>>160849592

I reckon they will address this before long. Just make sure to give feedback on the forums or some shite so they actually act on it.

What do you guys think of a Gladius with 3 Gimbaled Neutron Cannons?

>>160844407
DESU senpai the average AI is going to be more accurate than the average player.

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Guys, is this game fun already?

I'm out of games to play and I'm looking for a change. Is Star Citizen anywhere near done? Is it still buggy?

>>160845651
shhh let him do it man

the more idiots flying in fully AI crewed cap ships with no player escorts, the better. let him believe his fantasy. let him spend the thousands on his fantasy so you can profit off of him in reality

>>160850783
it's buggy as all fuck but the movement system and the netcode are currently the two major contributors to that, the first being fixed in the next patch and the second being fixed in the next major patch after that.

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>>160850783
PU isnt worth buying it for at the moment - it'll be a few hours of "wooooww oooooh ahhh" and then the bugs, crashes, and 0 to 20 fps start to bite at you

the arcade pvp and co op vs AI dogfighting / racing / flying modes run at whatever your PC will handle and you can get a few more hours of fun out of that if you have a decent ship

realistically, if you havent spent any money yet just wait until 2.6 for more harmless arcade gameplay modes or 3.0 for the MMO part of the game to actually start becoming a game

everyone else here is emotionally and financially invested in the game already and we're all fucking sick of the current patch, desperately bumping this thread with shitposting and blind speculation as we eagerly await new table scraps of information about the future

but yes, it's fun, there should be game packages with starter ships for a discount by the end of this week, wait for that if youre gonna buy it anyway

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Tell me about the forumdads, why do they play the game!

(Asking for a friend)

>>160850783
Its not ready yet.

>>160851341
What is there to do currently? Just flying around?

Is there a free fly event right now?

I only own an Aurora and Herald but I can call in a Hornet F7C at the pad.

Also does anyone on right now want to call in a reliant kore for me? I want to try it out to see if it's worth getting one with LTI for a friend.

>>160851586
This explains a lot better than anyone here

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/feature-list

>>160851854
Thanks!

>>160851758
You got the Hornet because your Herald isn't playable yet. Usually when you go for a ship that's not flight read you're given a Merlin or Hornet rental

>>160851586
if you go into the universe knowing how to fly and fight, theres at the most 2 hours of unique solo gameplay to be had. you can warp around the area around a planet you can't get close to, and do several variations of 3-4 unique missions

most fun you can have in the PU currently is finding some grizzled old backer with all the big multicrew ships, and doing random shenanigans or missions with them.

arcade modes are dogfighting (TDM, DM, co op vs AI zerg waves) racing, and some spaceship quiddich shit that literally nobody plays, FPS mode (star marine) at 2.6

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>>160852063
It is possible to get in the atmosphere of the planet though, it just takes a long ass time.

>>160852063
don't discount kareah pvp; you can become a security guard essentially and protect the security station from criminal players trying to erase their record, you can also bounty hunt players with max criminal rating.

>>160852313

Man

I love the gladius and avenger cockpit, so simple and clean compared to the sabre

>bought a sabre because wowy F-22 F-14 bastard child space craft
>every kid with their mom's credit card buys it because ITS THE BEST AND MOST ADVANCED FIGHTER IN THE GAME SO I MUST HAVE IT
>Immediately hate myself everytime I fly it

I kind of just want to get the variant avenger or gladius at this point...

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i bought the starter package one year ago and i'm now looking for an upgrade, without taking money into account, should i be worried about the 3 month insurace after upgrading? Or it's not a big deal? Based the spacefag who answer

>>160853342
>Can Confirm Gladius > Sabre

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The time has come faggots, BEST SHIP is about to go on sale.

Will I be able to upgrade e.g. a Sabre Comet LTI to a Carrack, thus giving me an LTI Carrack?

And will that still include the Carrack's rover and scout ship if I upgrade?

>>160854451
Your three month Insurance goes with you until you upgrade to an LTI ship

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>>160854631
yes i'm aware of that, question is if i should be aiming for a LTI or i can ignore it and go for my way

>>160854631
I thought if you upgraded a limited insurance ship to one with LTI you kept the limited insurance?

>>160854631
>>160854946
wait the insurance remains the same even if you upgrade to a LTI ship, doesnt it?

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>>160850620
Competent players are always better than AI. unless you buff the ai to have ridiculous stats or something and even then that doesn't usually work.

Unless the ai in SC is some sort of monumental improvement that sets a new standard in fps ai, they will always be inferior. And at the moment it looks like CIG struggles to keep the bastards from just sitting there shooting walls. Therefor, AI crew will always be inferior. So have fun paying more for a crew that is less effective, less fun, and will be laughed at in competitive pvp. :^)

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>tfw want a carrack
>tfw will probably cost 100mil UEC or some bullshit number

Pic somewhat related, I posted it a few weeks ago and r/starcitizen loved it so much they screencapped it.

>>160855223
Ai have best aim. Thats 90% of what you need them for.

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>>160855197
Yes

>>160852361
My Kareah security guard experiences fall into to groups. Either no one shows up or I instantly die in one shot from a guy I never even see.

>>160855197
Insurance is based on the package, even a standalone 3 month insurance ship CCU'd to a concept sale LTI ship will keep 3 month insurance.

>>160854946
Devs say that hull insurance will be very cheap and LTI will be a minor convenience at best. The real cost of a lost ship will be custom components and cargo, which has separate insurances that can't be done for "lifetimes".

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>>160855787
>can't prioritize targets like a human
>can't respond to boarding parties as effectively
>can't strategize together

have fun with your robo-crew though m8. You can pretend all you want that they are your super special aimbot that makes you somehow competative, but if you want your dick to be as heavy as mine youre gonna need to roll with the big boys, get some real friends and git gud.

>>160855171
>>160855197
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought people were CCU to an LTI ship to get the LTI. Thats why people were getting the x85 like flies to shit, so they could get the LTI on any ship they want.

>>160856464
people are buying the x85 for upgrading that (with LTI) to anything they want the LTI on

>>160855630
oh neat, that was one of the replies to my calling ships female.

So anyway, why not bite the bullet and buy the Carrie?

>>160856464
What they were doing was melting their limited insurance ships for store credit, and using that credit to buy the LTI packages. That's why CIG is doing this "UEE Warbond" sales tactic to make LTI ships cheaper if you pay full cash for them instead of just shuffling your store credit around for LTI token.

>>160856641
Because I've already got enough ships to buy without adding a carrack.

>>160847952
>A SC raid would be several players with each their own Idris

But then

why have anything smaller than an Idris

how is it a multicrew then

wtf

head hurts

I bought a Merlin for EA PVP, gave it two bulldogs.

What did I do wrong?

>>160857805
You bought a snub fighter to compete against military fighters and gimbals.

>>160856802
>Why have anything but a idris.
Maybe they want a faster option like the Polaris, or fly a carrier and depend on npc fighters, etc. Course by that point you're just playing 1st person dreadnought.

>>160857874
I really hope 2.6 AC has different "classes" - keep BR there for anyone with any ship, but have mass limit classes aswell.

It won't but that is what I would consider quality of life improvement.

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How's the Gladius compared to the Hornet and Sabre in mobility and firepower?

>>160854587
Yes(probably) and yes.

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>Everyone kept telling me ASP E is the end game for Exploration ships
>An ASP E with the same setup as my Diamondback E has a worse jump range by almost a full Ly
Fucking ASP shills, I'm glad I didn't fall for it. DBE forever.

>>160856802
>>160847952
Different anon here.

In my head you could get/do raids in one of several ways:
1) merc for a corporation or the military to go do an attack on specific location with a specific objective. your allie(s): NPC ships flown by contractor/NPC mercs, your group, other people hired to do the raid.
2) get information about NPC (pirate, vanduul, or other) locations and form up with a friends/player mercs/NPC mercs to attack a location and just do whatever there, maybe steal ships or cargo, maybe just wreak havoc and go for big trophy kills and bounties to pay off the cost.

Depending on the size/content of the raid you might end up needing multiple capital ships, but they'll need fighter/bomber support too.

I figure you could get information from a player (terrapin or some scout) about a system to do a raid on a smallish border vanduul cargo/supply hub using just 1 corvette or frigate as the flagship + 5-10 combat ships + several loot haulers, you might not even need to kill all the enemies if done right.

Engage with combat fleet and warp in the looters, keep them off the looters and then warp out once looter ships have gotten full. Your group just stole a bunch of vanduul supplies, could be loot from human settlements, maybe some vanduul ship parts or weapons.

The raids wouldn't necessarily be just
>'X' number of cap ships going to an area and killing targets
They'd have specific objectives to complete, having multiple capital ships would help in most combat situations, but not be necessary.

If your raid mission is the destruction of a single specific ship (say, a pirate ship carrying stolen AEGIS prototypes, in the middle of a pirate convoy), then several stealth bombers + some interceptors would get the job done just fine. Bringing several capital ships instead would make it a giant battle (fun but unnecessary), but could open up possibilities, since you have so many people, boarding to capture the ship and prototypes might be viable.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15609-Intergalactic-Aerospace-Expo-Day-Five-Anvil

>>160858757
outgunned but feels and fly's much like the sabre with subjectively better cockpit and looks.


With decent load out its a great ship just not SH/Sabre meme tier strength

>>160858757
Its only slightly faster and more agile than a sabre and is vastly out gunned by both the sabre and hornet.

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>>160860147
>>160860275

Thanks, I'll keep my Aventer Titan then until a Super Hornet or Sabre goes on sale.
No way I'm going to spend 185 dollaridoos on a Sabre Comet.

>>160854946
i wouldnt worry too much about LTI on ships that arent going to be your big, expensive money makers that will cost hours worth of UEC to replace, and have even more value in modules and customization that will not be replaced by any insurance

aurora-tier ships will probably be just barely above free to replace if you dont insure it, depending on how the ingame ship buying ends up.

Anyone know if the 85X can fit into the Caterpillar?

>>160857805
slap 2 longswords on there and youre good to go. don't get hit, like ever by anything or youre dead

>>160854946
>>160860793
Agreeing with this LTI should be something you aim for on rare or large ships like alien tech,BMM,carrack, etc

This is where it will pay off for in long term PU

>>160860702
Super Honret just went for sale at 165/ sabre will be back on sale later at 170

Why would you get a carrack over the connie aquila?

Can someone buy me a SH please, thanks.
t. poorfag.

>>160861240
it's twice the size, has twice the features, and does everything better?

dont think of the carrack as a big aquila, think of it as a small, jack of all trades endeavor

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>>160861252
only if you're an impressionable twink/trap looking for a daddy :^)

>>160861523
For a Super Hornet, I could be.
Fuck my life.

>>160861523
wait I could have gotten this ship for free?

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15609-Intergalactic-Aerospace-Expo-Day-Five-Anvil

>>160861252
>>160861603
it's not worth it man, be that badass dude who starts with an aurora and earns that shit

it'll be infinitely more special for you when you buy it and crawl into that cockpit knowing you earned it

>>160861682
This future Clarkson isn't very funny

>>160861240
The aquila is ugly and has a shitty view

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>>160861682
>owning an anvil ship
>paying $195 for the terrapin

I shiggy you diggy do nomsayn

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>>160861727
True, but my method involves them earning it, too.

>>160861727
I know, I know.
I already put an extra 15$ in a while back going from an aurora to a titan, which i melted down before this sale... just in case there was anything interesting.
Now i'm stuck here, dick in hand looking at all these ships I can't afford.
Don't even know if I will reupgrade the aurora - titan, titan is fun, but I get the impression the aurora will actually be more useful when the game is actually live in 2024.

>>160862025
swap whatever you have with an aurora LN / mustang delta (dont do the delta fag) and experience the joys of more firepower than pretty much everything up til $100 ships

>>160861848
Future Clarkson needs a future hamster and future rear admiral slow to be funny.

>>160862281
The LN is exactly what I have. From the Dec 2015 starter packs (both games).
And this is exactly why I partially regret my titan upgrade. It was a 15$ side grade at best, probably actually a downgrade.

>>160861240
>>160861416

Connie even in aquila state is more solo/multi function and capable of more direct combat.

Carrack is flat out space RV for the family exploration trip that happens to have solid unmanned defense(turret location on concept is coverage based not focus like connies wing mounts)

Carrack as a purchase is better with both a rover and scout/snub with much better in ship utility.

if you plan to get stranded in uncharted space the carrack is a ship you can live on/with the connie being better at dogfighting

connie=mission carrack=expeditions

if you can buy it now and get LTI its the better choice then the connie plus has drones and outside the reclaimer there isnt many other options with drone pods.

>>160861848
he has his moments

>>160862025
the kore skirmisher, mustang delta, aurora LN, and avenger are all good in there own way the delta and avenger being better dog fighting ships (avenger haveing some cargo room) the skirmisher while decent on paper we havent seen ingame yet but base model Kore is lackluster other then expanded cargo.

LN will be best mutli role entry with Kore comign in second and delta/avenger being the dogfighters

>>160861727
Id rather the moderately decent guy who starts wilth a freelancer or cutlass.

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>>160861062
What do I get for the $15 extra dollars on the Comet?