/scg/edg/ Star Elite: Dangerous Citizen #91

citizens. my contacts have told me that CIG may be is using the star citizen discord to possibly test a build on evocati today, apparently all the known Evocati testers are in the discord and the "2.5.0" channel is locked down.

why is this, citizens?

elite is boring
sc is never ever
dealwithit.jpg

Requesting someone to post capships

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>>160681203
No

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>>160681320
We need more snubships!

Anyone have a screenshot or link to the 2.6 predicted pipeline that was posted recently?

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>>160681203

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>>160681941
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report

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>>160681975

>>160680929
>>160680432
Your uncle's brother in law's neighbor's maid's cousin who works for CIG sounds like they're full of shit.

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>>160681975
>>160682410

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>>160682410

>>160683127
Is that a massive turret slung underneath that ship?

>>160683293
Its a quad mounted fuckhuge railgun array. basically 4 of the spinal guns on the Idris, but bigger and turreted.

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>>160683127

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>>160683705
Last one.

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>>160681975
>>160682410
>>160683127
>>160683705
>>160683953

>Forum Dads: Now in Ruining FPS Combat Flavor

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/357213/please-consider-removing-quick-nade

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>>160683953
I lied.

>>160684707
Not listening to dads is something CIG does relatively well. I'm happy about that.

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But when will best cap ship be ready?

>TFW I dont have a javelin.
I'll have to get one in game I guess.

>>160684707
That's fucking retarded. I can accept requiring an animation for arming, using the grenades, but that's it.

>>160684707
Squad and Project Reality does this and it works fine you have to switch to a grenade then throw the damn thing and that takes a few seconds but it works well.

>>160684707
I hate to admit this but I'm on the dad's side with this one.

>>160687541
this

>>160687541
If a game has you switch to grenades instead of having a dedicated button, I usually end up never using the things.

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>>160688718
It works great in PR and as well as indirect fire ie throwing a grenade over a hill, inside a building, hallways and when enemies are grouped up.

>>160684707
actually this might give grenade launchers some purpose if they ever decide to add some

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>>160684876

I wish they got rid of the shitty bridge gangways and put in something practical like a central elevator and a flight of stairs

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What's the best ship to keep in a polaris?
Not sure if my Cutlass blue will fit.

>>160689701

A Super Hornet. Space Superiority.

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So lets say that they fix their fucked netcode at some point, is my dream of their servers hosting freespace 2 style large scale encounters between only players at all possible? Because that's really all I want. and if they can't, then why the fuck have so many capitol ships?

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>>160689482
It has some sort of elevator. Or at least there's a vertical access shaft. You can see it in this screenshot and in some parts of the catastrophic damage video.
https://youtu.be/ZNV-Y5hauZ0?t=30m25s

>>160690064

NPC butt devistation.

>>160689989
only if you can swap between a ball turret and sensor pod in the hangar

>>160690349
So capitol ships are purely high end PVE ships? ha what a shame. Gonna be a lot of pissed off players if this is true.

>>160690774

Why would you not? I thought it was a fully functional hanger. Not as repair oriented as the Crucible but still a fully functional hanger.

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>>160691427

>>160691470

Why you have that image so ready is scary.

>>160682410
Is it just me, or do the turrets that are supposed to be the main STS armament look small? I thought in the original concept the turrets and guns were much bigger. Do you think they are placeholders or did they move the main STS guns to be inline with the hull like the Idris rail gun?

>>160690349
*devastation

You're welcome.

>>160691847

*Your welcome

>>160692012
Welcomb*

>>160692158

*Well Comb

>>160691587
it's the aviation version of the clip/magazine meme. So /k/ has plenty of materials for it

day 3 sales when? I am refreshing like a can of sprite here

>>160692939
13 mins

>>160692939
12 minutes.

>>160692939

11 minutes.

>>160680991
Derek Smart is that you?

>>160690064
That'll definitely happen, they're going to have pvp over abandoned stations and planetside bases. Capships will be used in securing areas of planets and projecting authority.

>>160684876
>wanting realistic combat is now a dad thing
No idiots, CIG intends to have combat more similar to Arma than your beloved Call of Duty, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if later the grenades take longer to deploy but are more controllable and/or dangerous

>>160692939
2 minutes.

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>>160692939
SOON

>>160693615
>wanting realistic combat is now a dad thing
>and then Anon was Dad
But wanting realism at the cost of fun *is* a dad thing

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>>160693481
Oh! Good to hear. That's like my #1 desire to be a dog fighter in a ridiculously large scale space battle.

Ill keep my expectations lowered though simply because I'm not savvy enough with networking to understand how one capitol ship full of players wouldn't fill an instance by itself. Not to mention if there are boarding parties playing star marine through the lower decks as a big space battle rages outside

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There really is such a thing as too much Oxygen.

>>160692939
NOW
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15604-Intergalactic-Aerospace-Expo-Day-Three-Drake

>the Caterpillar's doors opened to actual dancers.

Every so often CIG does something likable

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>Finally got my idris.

>Drake

Into the trash it goes.

>>160694490
The Cutlass Black is currently flight ready and the Caterpillar and Herald will join it in Star Citizen Alpha 2.6.
this makes my penis hard

>>160694267
I dunno, looking at the planets low mass and super-low atmospheric pressure, that 80% oxygen atmosphere is gonna be super thin.

Heck, I don't even know how the oceans haven't boiled away. They sure as heck ain't frozen at that temperature.

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I wanna buy it, but I dont have the funds! Did buy my Dragonfly though.

>>160694589
>The Drake Buccaneer is undergoing initial modeling and will be one of our next targets for flight ready status.
Also this.

>>160694667
>just a few months until I never fly a Gladius (sq42 notwithstanding) again

awesome.

top kek at that ending

https://youtu.be/2eKotGpwjbE

>caterpillar stripper module

Didn't we literally discuss this with the pirate trap servicing meme?

think we'll get to see one of those bikini babes up close?
it will look shit, I just want to watch the guy who made those making them

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>Already have a Buccaneer
>Considering bumping it to a Cutlass Blue

Already have a MISlancer. I don't need another combat-ish multirole... right?

>>160694095
Sometimes realism is fun, you fucking retard. Being able to launch primed grenades from your dick in less than a second is stupid and has bad side effects like making grenade launchers pointless and completely altering what grenades are for and how they're used. Eat a dick, CoD kiddie.

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>tfw got both Terrapin and Herald

damn, was it really too much to believe in a cutlass with LTI?

>>160695981
Just get a 85X with LTI and upgrade to a Cutlass.

>>160695981
They sell ships you can use as LTI tokens all the time now, like >>160696117 says.

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>>160692012

>>160695981
LTI tokens only come from concept sales and old veteran/kickstarter packages. Maybe the 85x LTI can be properly CCU'd now.

>>160696176

Your stupid

>>160696663
You're stupid

>>160696712

I am not a stupid. You're waifu a shit.

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>>160696663

>>160694559
Enjoy your future UEC sink

>>160696950
Trolling is against the global rules, friendo

>>160695981
>>160696117

but can you upgrade the 85x to *anything*?

>>160697351
Currently every upgrade except 85X->Herald is unavailible for some reason, but you can upgrade the Herald to everything else.

>>160696952
witch hanger do you recommend for my duel boats

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Dont mind me, i'm still waiting for my Gladius Loaner

>>160697628
I dunno mate, I don't play these games, I just like the cool ship designs.

>>160697149
This. I don't think I'll ever want something huge due to the potential of being nickeled and dimed with repairs, NPC costs, fuel, upgrade costs, and so on. Once the Cutlass Black redesign is fully done that'll be about the largest I want to go aside from large cargo haulers.

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I have a question about cargo capacity.

Have they said something about quests and cargo capacity?

Like if a quest asks you to bring a specific quest item from a specific place, you'll have to fly a ship with cargo space?

Example 1:
Quest asks you to kill a pirate leader and bring his corpse back as proof.

Is this quest impossible to do alone in a Sabre or Hornet f.eks?

Will ships like Aurora, Cutlass, Avenger Titan etc... be your general mission runners because they can handle quests with and without quest items?

So i missed the javelin sale. What are the chances of a single person being able to afford one in game?

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>>160697628

Hanging from a Perrine is probably best if you are dueling most shipfus. Her maneuverability should keep you out of most AA/witch gun sights.

>>160698045
In that situation I'd guess you would at least need to be able to drag the corpse into the ship or maybe they'll let you take the head as proof. Possibly just an auto update when you use your mobiglass to identify them. For live captures that probably requires a dedicated space to store the bounty.

>>160682410
>>160681975
>>160681320
is it my browser or are these webms hitching like mad

>>160698410
its you buddy

>>160698410
No you're right, there's sporadic hitching in those weebums.

Which is weird because the original video doesn't.

>>160684707
halo solved the nade spam problem how many years ago? you only get two, and minimal refills are placed. done. also, they seemed unreliable and low damage enough to be a non-issue

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>>160698289
Kek

>>160698045
surely quests will tell you what you need to complete the quest before you accept it.

>>160698045
Has the cosplay scene been completely taken over by slavsluts?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

>>160697503
So is it confirmed that if I want LTI on ship B, but there's no direct
85x -> ship B,
I can instead get LTI on B by going through an intermediate
85x -> ship A
ship A -> ship B?

>>160698702
I dont see it at all

>>160699145
Yes. But I assume they'll fix the upgrades being unavailible sometime during the sale. It's just Turbulent being incompetent again.

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>>160698289
Friendly reminder that nobody likes Perrine.

>>160698289
Is this the show about girls not wearing pants?

>>160699432
Yes.

>>160699432

No idea. Russian and Finnish girls wear leggings in the show but everyone else just wears long jackets or swimsuits.

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>>160645056
>>160642680
>when the devs look at their own art and have the same stupid ideas as the players

also bets on whether anyone has complained about the bikinis yet? happy Drake is being as low brow as they're supposed to at their show.

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>>160684876

>>160694115
Protip, don't take an avenger into a large scale space battle. You'll get splashed fast.

>>160699617
>also bets on whether anyone has complained about the bikinis yet?

There's probably a SJW butthurt thread on RSI already.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-f4ourFEc&ab_channel=StarCitizen
nice '''''game''''''

so this generic fps stuff...are you going to be able to fight like this while your ship is moving around? like is it all real time where you spot another ship off in the distance, but they shoot out your thrusters or whatever and then they can board your ship? Or maybe they dock to your ship while you're still cruising? Or does it switch from spaceflight simulator mode to generic fps mode and it's like a separate game? If it's all happening in real time in one playspace then I take back my sarcasm since that would be pretty fucking impressive. Like I don't think any other game has ever accomplished realtime ship-to-ship/infantry-to-infantry in space with actual space physics.

>>160699781
I've been actively looking for it so I could shitpost in it. Haven't seen it yet.

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>>160698375
>>160698847

The reason I ask is if it would be wise of me to upgrade my Aventer Titan to a Sabre, Buccaneer or Hornet.

But my gut feeling says I should get a Cutlass to keep some cargo space in case the majority of quests will require something to be transported.

>>160700054
>Like I don't think any other game has ever accomplished realtime ship-to-ship/infantry-to-infantry in space with actual space physics.

You can already do this in the Alpha PU.

>>160700054
Goonposting is really boring, please consider leaving.

>>160700054
yes, yes, yes, maybe, no it's all seamless and you can already do it right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5HZZIN99c

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>>160700267
Avenger best ship

>>160700054
lol why not just google this basic stuff?
You can tell you're from /v/ because despite being interested you have to wipe your shit all over it first

>>160700518
If only they hadn't added that fuckhueg useless interior space just because people wanted a bed

>>160700447
ok thats pretty neat

>>160694664
>Buying a dragonfly
They'll be so easy to steal once the game is live.

>>160700737
I needed something to park inside my Cutlass Black

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>>160691261
>So capitol ships are purely high end PVE ships? ha what a shame. Gonna be a lot of pissed off players if this is true.
How the hell could you even think that ? Npc will aim, managed shield and power just fine and the player won't have to micromanage stuff

Else without NPC every sortie with your Idris, Javelin or Bengal would look like a game of Lie of Defense,
Do you imagine boarding an Idris and running around empty corridor ?

Just think of all UEE marines corpse you will pile up on your way to kill the whale ! Real challenge.

>>160700737
but it's the perfect ccu for my aurora LN game package

>>160700936
I want to see what the Pirate Heavy armor will look like.

>>160698375
>Having a real use for the prisoner bays on the Stalker

>>160700902
I don't own a Cutlass, but the last one I boarded didn't seem to have a wide enough door to get a Dragonfly through it.

>>160700936
But NPCs are capped to 3 per player

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>>160701728
???

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>>160701820
Reminder that it's getting reworked to be able to house it.

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>>160701820
Good thing they're reworking it then.

>>160701728
it's already in,you can see it in grimhex and area18

>>160701901
Its not getting a remodel like the UEE Armor or is that specific to SQ42?

>>160701925
>>160701919
Oh good, the Cutlass I stole was kind of stupid. Hope they fix the issue with no gravity on the wings, making that ladder fucking stupid.

>>160702049
Might be specific to SQ42. The Pirate Heavy armor is already in game and you can already wear it.

>>160702075
Ah, won't even have a side door off the wing. Problem solved.

>>160702176
Or maybe i'm thinking of Pirate Power Armor like what the UEE is getting. I own all the heavy armor from Pirate to UEE. Just I like the redesign in >>160700936 post

>>160701881
Bullshit, there's mention of full crews and skeleton crew.
Beside any Idris you meet in game will already be crewed by npc

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>>160703131
yeah I'm just being cheeky
it just won't be pic related

>>160703264
Human crew>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>npc crew

hodor is going to get btfo

>>160703264
Let's be real for one second.

If you saw this kickstarter right now, you'd back it. Don't lie. You are anonymous here. Just admit that you are wrong.

>a game where you are the captain of a javelin destroyer, and command a fleet of Idris corvettes and explore the galaxy, with high-end graphics, trading, mining, fully explorable ship interiors, + all the stuff that is in star citizen.

You'd be hyped, you'd be in here shitposting 24/7 about what you're going to do in your javelin.

But because the guy has a dog avatar and made some posts that you thought were stupid, you're pretending like he's an idiot and that you don't want to do that. Honestly, it's sad. Just stop.

>>160699298
fuck off hanna

>>160703856
fuck off, hold the door

>>160703856
Woah woah lad, the game as you envision it would kick ass.

As a single player game.

In an MMO environment people will want to compete, and if everyone can have an NPC army protecting them from boarders and manning their larger guns, that is what they will have to do.
Where is the teamwork? How is it an epic multicrew capital ship to behold entering the system when it's actually just one dude?

No solo capital ships for you buddy.

>>160704265
>In an MMO environment people will want to compete
But they can.

Let's assume that you and me are in an org of 50 people. We get in our ships, we chase this Admiral guy, EVA to his Javelin door, all board it, kill his NPC crew, take the bridge and kill him, teabag him, upload the video to Youtube and fly away in the new ship.

How does this take away from it being an MMO? There will be 9:1 ratio of NPCs to humans in the game, so why not be allowed to hire them?

So what if some poorfag in his pooraura can't take down an guy in his Javelin and his 24 NPC gunners? You're not supposed to be able to do that vs other players anyway.

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>>160700936
read the comment chain.

this was my last comment on the topic: >>160694115
>Ill keep my expectations lowered though simply because I'm not savvy enough with networking to understand how one capitol ship full of players wouldn't fill an instance by itself. Not to mention if there are boarding parties playing star marine through the lower decks as a big space battle rages outside.

Networking is their biggest hurdle as i understand it. I wanna have freespace 2 levels of fuckhuge player pvp battles. I just don't see that happening outside of some sort of sorcery with the networking.

>>160704685
Because then you are reaping the benefits of teamwork (capital ship strength) without actually working with other players.
All those 100 people had to work together to kill one guy because they weren't using NPCs?
Why wouldn't they use NPCs and just fly 100 capital ships?

>>160705238
True but players > NPCs.

NPCs have a cost, working with other players doesn't.

Someone flying around trolling with their NPCs will soon attract a large bounty and they'll have dozens of players chasing them.

Personally I just don't see it as a problem. Though I'd only be able to do such thing in a private server since I can't afford to spend so much on a game.

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>>160705238
I've never played a fps game (or game in general for that matter) that had well programmed enough ai to be able to match up with a somewhat competent human. Unless SC has some breakthrough with AI, I'm pretty sure npc manned carriers will be laughed at when compared to their fully-human counterparts.

>>160704753
Networking might be ok, I don't think these guys have a gorillion dollars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeZtqoydXpc

But our PCs will surely fucking die if 200 Auroras are buzzing around one spot

>>160698045
They've said that ships will have space for "personal items" I'd assume any quest items would be included in that. And if it requires more than that, the npc would tell you upfront.

>>160705707
yup people will upload dubstep videos of them soloing UEE Javelin patrols in a Sabre on youtube and the comments will say "pff it's just an NPC ship anyway scrub"

>>160705741
that shit is pretty impressive. Here's hoping they work the same stuff into Cryengine which is notoriously bad for this kind of thing.

>>160705584
>>160705707
Yeah I'm just saying

>>160700936
>Else without NPC every sortie with your Idris, Javelin or Bengal would look like a game of Lie of Defense,
>Do you imagine boarding an Idris and running around empty corridor ?

>Just think of all UEE marines corpse you will pile up on your way to kill the whale ! Real challenge.

is deluded cancer

>>160705584
>NPCs have a cost, working with other players doesn't.
well i want to be paid tho... i aint doing shit for free

>>160706205
What I mean is, a guy hiring 24 NPCs will be paying a lot of money.

A guy in his superhornet teaming up with 20 more superhornets doesn't really cost anything if you have a full loadout already.

In this instance, the pay is taking the capital ship.

>>160706205
I doubt you'll be on a capital ship then

It'll probably only be dedicated orgs running human caps

>>160706205
I have a feeling that players who will apply to crew a ship for free for the shits/giggles will be in plenty supply to overwhelm those like yourself that only do it for pay.

Not saying that there wont be that guy every now and then who will /yell wtb marine for idris crew! will tip!.

Who knows? All conjecture at this point. but thats my guess.

>>160706205
Of course, that's like raiding in WoW with no chance of getting gear (or precious DKP)

>>160704265 >>160703856
It's so counter intuitive it's hard to tell if you are defending that lost cause (of no npc 'army' for player)

Competitive play isn't the only way to make a game, many game do so because they simply couldn't program AI but wish they could.

>>160705238
If we listened to your logic, no game should ever be allowed to let player play a ship that give him unbalanced over another other players.
You pretend to be defending teamplay ? That's the opposite, you would be killing ship specialization.

And why the fuck do you think all players would have the money for an Idris ? Even if they did, once one is destroyed the Insurance won't give them another one instantly and the time lost is enough for any Org to win or lose whatever they fought for.

It's like you never want to fight a fleet of Vaandul with 4 frieds with their own capital ship and enough AI to jump in a fighter yourself without caring about your Idris becoming an headless chicken.

>>160704753
I agree that Networking is the blocker, but as you see you have idiot who seem to believe that npc is too demeaning for their 'code of honor'

>>160708996
>It's like you never want to fight a fleet of Vaandul with 4 frieds with their own capital ship

Yes actually, I don't want capital ships to be that devalued lol.
When a capital ship jumps near me to fuck my shit up I want it to be a group of players working together, not some guy who has saved up so he can avoid talking to people.

You still aren't going to be solo flying your three capitals so why continue to argue?

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>>160708996
Anon, here's the bottom line. Crewing a capital will take quite an effort of NPCs and many people. This is to allow them to be highly effective if used properly with (potentially) high profit, assuming cap-ship only missions are a thing, which they most likely will be. You will not be some god emperor with a kill-switch capital ship.

Also, missed the stream. What's new my dudes?
Have my favorite picture in exchange for an answer

>>160710853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGWggc7KjJE

>>160710853
Just ships (one new) and a shit showing of the FPS

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>>160709506
The only one devaluing ship (and game) is you, if you can't make an Idris useful with 4 players no org will field one because they don't want 10 competent players doing menial task (durrr durrr maning a turret, shield, and waiting for boarder) when another org will field 10 smaller ship who can fuck it up and accomplish more.

> You still aren't going to be solo flying your three capitals so why continue to argue?
Strawman, I'm not that admiral autist.

And listen to you
You'll never be the respected captain of an Org's Idris
no human crew will put their live away to obey your retarded plans
So why whish you could fuck the game for everybody else ?

You are right on one thing, I don't need to keep arguing with you, you had lost before it even started. Bye !

Don't worry, the Bengal is the prize ship, it can't be bought, only be boarded, meaning you'll probably never get full crew for it

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>>160711123
Of course man, no one can work together outside a handful of 4 so every ship should have that as a max.
And everyone should see the same content as the people working together so they don't feel lonely and their fee-fees aren't hurt.

>they still think they will be able to board and capture an idris/javelin with a couple auroras

wishful thinking fellas

Who are you talking to?

who you YOU talking to?

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>>160711123
>You are right on one thing, I don't need to keep arguing with you, you had lost before it even started. Bye !

can't believe youve been baiting this whole time. Got me m8

>tfw melted everything to buy a javelin with credits
>tfw they sold out before i could press the pay with credits button

ROBERTTTSSSS

>>160713660
kek

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>Neutron Star system with 10 Metal Rich planets and 1 High Metal Content
Had a good string of luck lately.

Anyway to get LTI on your game package ship?

>>160713660
Just cry about it on the RSI forums like Admiral did to get his.

>>160715346
Game packages don't have LTI anymore, and CCUs keep the packages limited insurance.

Getting a cheap Aurora package and buying an LTI 85X for CCU is the best you could do now unless you wanna hit the grey market.

>>160716765
supposedly, they're selling the $30 aurora packages next Saturday

>>160700718
Star Marine is just a pure FPS mode they are releasing so people can practice shooting.

Kay Decided to rent a Mustang Delta, holy hell the missiles are hard as hell. Anything I should do to upgrade this to a perfect glass cannon?

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So wait, Elite was supposed to have different sized missiles and torpedoes?

>>160718735
Elite was supposed to have a lot of things.

>>160718735
It already does, but the max for both is Class 2 atm.
They've added Large and Huge Hardpoints for certain weapon classes overtime already, bigger torps and missiles is probably something else on the huge list of shit they take forever to do.

>>160719176
Was about to post this exact thing word for word...

+rep CMDR o7

>>160719240

There's only one size of missile and one size of torpedo in the game right now. The only difference is that the class 2 hardpoint carries more of them.

I am unable to upgrade the 85x to a cutlass, is there any reason why this isnt working?

>>160719315
You can't prove that you're not me.

>>160719176
>>160719315
>>160719508

Samefag

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>160719572
It's gonna be one of these nights, isn't it?

>>160719492
it's bugged, the new ships arent allowing upgrades or something.

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>tfw the worst part of having interest in both of these games is that it isn't a question of if we'll get it
>its a question of how fucking long will it be before we will
Its easier knowing you're not going to get something then having to wait, disappointment wears off faster than anxiety.
>>160718735
Based on that image the Small and Medium Hardpoints are supposed to have the same size of projectile. Large and YUGE are probably part of the V I S I O N, just like how we got Huge Lasers and Multi-Cannons a while ago.

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>>160719660
Somewhat amused that >>160719508 is a third party tbqh.

>>160719882
>just like how we got Huge Lasers and Multi-Cannons a while ago.

YUGE frags when? My vette must become space shotgun. I need it.

>>160719882
>its a question of how fucking long will it be before we will
I definitely feel this. So far both E:D and SC deliver what they say they're going to add it just takes them actual years.

>>160720259
>Frags on a Corvette
You absolute madman. You'll utterly annihilate other ships your size though. Better use Fixed for that jumbo damage on yuge ships or you're a faggot

Keep the Rocket Pods or go to Gimbal for everything?

>>160713660
#rekt

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>>160720485
On this ship

>>160719882
The small missile launcher looks like the one we got in the game, the medium is kinda similar except they split in two.
The small/medium torpedoes match.

Just missing "large" torpedo, which will apparently fire out of a single shot medium rack or a 2 shot large rack and "huge" capship-killer torpedo. And the the Large and Huge missile launchers that fire the larger scale missiles.

All coming Soon™

>>160715565
Admiral got his because he's an autistic whale and was going to give them what, $2,000? This fag was trying to use credit. Sorry bozo, you tried to swipe your EBT card at the casino and no, the doorman will not have any sympathy for you.

>>160720443

Frags have an effective range of like 5 feet. Why would you ever use anything but fixed and unload at point blank?

>>160720485
Gimballed or Fixed depends on what you're looking to fight, if you're not quite sure I'd take a mix of both if your ship has enough hardpoints for variety.
If you're in a Vulture or something you should be ignoring anything less than Class 3 anyway.

>>160720259
I have a corvette with 2x huge 2shot-5 frag canons and 1 large 2shot-5 frag canon, 2x high capacity-4 packhounds and 2x small rapidfire-5 multigun turrets with corrosive ammo.

>>160720485
>>160720654
>>160720746
Nevermind, you're talking about SC, apologies.

>>160720746
I never do use anything but fixed for Frags, but I also fly much more nimble ships so I wouldn't personally know if someone in a Corvette would take Fixed Frags. I very much assume they would because non Fixed Frags are useless.
And not only that you can never be too sure, theres alot of mouth-breathers in this game that never use anything but Gimballed

Help me /scg/ i'm on the fence about upgrading my redeemer to the caterpillar. I upgraded my cutlass into a redeemer a couple of years ago and kind of regret it now. I've been watching over time as the redeemer is basically fucking forgotten by CIG and gets progressively more and more broken in the hangar with each update (can barely even get into the fucking thing anymore), also the fact that it's never even mentioned on the roadmap. I still have a mustang delta to fly but the caterpillar is apparently basically done now and I'm sick of the redeemer being a barely functional hangar queen.

tl;dr Should I jump on the drake dick and upgrade my redeemer into the caterpillar? Maybe my mustang delta to the cutlass too?

>>160720923
>2 Huge Frag Cannons
But they don't exist Anon. Don't tell me you're wasting Huge slots with Larges.

>>160721048
>>160721048
Do it

>>160719708
will it be fixed or am I fucked?

>>160721048
That's just what you deserve for buying a rememer to be honest, just accept it and get memed on like a man

>>160720964

A vette with G5 dirty drives turns like a Cobra-3 so fixed is very much viable.

>>160720654
gimbals

>>160721093
Just checked. They're 2 rapid fire huge cannons. I wanted to get huge frags but couldn't find any.

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>>160721048
For fucks sake at least wait till you can see how the thing flies and if it's just going to end up a overpriced Drake Hull C efore you waste more money. Also grab a free redeemer to Banu Merchantman CCU when it goes on sale in case the Cat is shit.

As far as the delta/cutlass goes, do you want a tiny fragile but fast gunship or a larger slower tougher gunship?

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Anyone else having Elite lag like crazy right now?

>>160722331
>5 Could not connect to "x" server in 10 minutes
You're not the only one.

>>160722331
I would love lag over being kicked out every few minutes because I can't connect to the "matchmaking server".

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>>160722950
I'm getting both. Heavy lag spikes preceding a Could not connect

>>160721048
>I upgraded my cutlass to a redeemer
what are you Nate Silver?

>literally free LTI on any ship 50 bucks or above

did they mean to create this free LTI loophole as some kind of gift to people who arent stupid?

>>160723732
They do it all the time. Last year they added the P72 as a 30 dollar lti token

seeing as I cant upgrade from 85x to cutlass, could I upgrade to something else then to cutlass and still keep the LTI?

>>160724238
On Wednesday they'll put up the ass ugly Avenger Renegade variant. That should be under $100 and have lti Also they might fix the 85x upgrade issue at some point

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>A Water World with:
>No Atmosphere
>No Volcanism
>41.5% of it is made up of Ice
>It is 7.8 Earth Masses bigger than Earth
>Is right next to a Wolf Rayet star which has a surface temperature of 186,858 kelvin
This is fucking space magic right here.

>>160725063
I am very afraid

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>>160725063
>playing space engine
>scorched ice giant

>>160725063
MUH IMMERSION. Don't you dare question the vision.

>>160725063
>Water World with no Atmosphere next to a star with x32 the temperature of our Sun
What the fuck is this Frontier

>>160725361
The power of procedural generation CMDR for further reference see: No Man's Sky

>>160725430
I mean yeah, but I rarely run into flat out impossible shit like this. Guess no system is without its fuckups.

>>160725063
why is this impossible?

>>160725972
A thick enough atmosphere could MAYBE allow water to not evaporate in seconds next to a star that hot but its unlikely. But this thing has no atmosphere, so theres no way in hell that planet should have water on it.
Like I said shit like this isn't commonplace but its frustrating when you occasionally do find it.

>>160721560
>>160723365

I'm very aware of the mistake I made, I thought the redeemer looked great and I liked the idea of it having a decent sized gunship. Looks like the cutlass has sort've taken that role now with its redesign. Maybe I'll wait a bit before I jump the gun again and end up regretting it, again.

>>160724080
man, i backed @ 2.0 alpha but i guess i didnt pay much attention to the sales or community stuff til around gamescom this year when i backed for more than just an aurora. still got LTI on the only ships i plan to own til we can buy ingame, so i'm happy anyway

>>160726393
the main issue is whether or not the redeemer is ever even coming out

i'm amazed theyre still selling it given it's just a hangar prop that hasnt had any development put into it since it hit hangar, and is likely looking at a full rework anyway

>>160726835
That's exactly why I'm leaning towards just ditching the thing. I bought it 2 years ago and have been patiently watching and waiting, with literally zero progress being made and barely any mention of it over those years. Meanwhile everything else is being prioritized and even the carrack is coming out before the redeemer. The upcoming 'redesign' is icing on the cake, who knows what they're going to change?

>>160727064
you've got $250 to play with, you might as well melt it into something you'll be able to actually fly in the near future. it shouldnt go above $250 even with a rework

>>160726835
Maybe they made some contractual arrangement during the TNGS thing and have to leave it up? With the Cutlass and Vanguard around, about all it's good for now is all those CCU's to the Merchantman that might suddenly be useful when they finally make it and have to apply the 'alien tax' price hike to something equivalent to a Hull C or Starfarer

>>160726140

Wolf-rayets are extremely active dying stars. Most planets in orbit around a WR have a hard time retaining an atmosphere because of the powerful solar winds.

That planet was probably frozen over and with a dead core (ie: no magnetic field) by the time the star entered its WR stage, which is now blowing way the water vapor as quickly as it can melt and evaporate.

The planet's surface should actually be remarkably cold due to evaporative cooling until it runs out of water. Or, you know, the star explodes and fucks the whole system. Whichever happens first.

>glaive, khartu, scythe, etc
>~$350
>ok, it's just a special snowflake fighter, no real advantages over anything

>prowler
>$380-425
>ultra specialized stealth dropship, with unique features making it clearly the best ship for that purpose, with no competition.

unless esperia goes nuts with manufacturing these in the full release, or a direct competitor with similar features comes into concept, how is this not heading into P2W territory?

>>160727302
>it shouldnt go above $250 even with a rework
It's CIG. They increased the starfarer's price by 50% because of a size increase that they only did because of the single player campaign. They just tacked $50 on the Caterpillar's price and increased the 890J to 900 dollars and those aren't even flyable yet. In a few days they're going to sell a fucking Hornet F7c with a ball turret and a ugly paint job for $175. They will totally up the Redeemer's price if it ever becomes flyable

Now here's a better question. M4Lasers or Omisky Lasers for the Mustang Delta, Switching to 6 Weapons really increased its Glass cannon status.

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>>160725972
>>160726140
This in comparison is far more plausible.
>Next to a star both smaller and 2,000 kelvin less hotter than our Sun
>1/3 the size of Earth
>3/4 as much as atmosphere as Earth, which makes it very thick for the planet's size and its 92.2% Nitrogen
>Surface Temperature reflects that at 228K, Earth is 287

>>160728389
>how is this not heading into P2W territory?
because you could buy a Vanguard Hoplite for much less, or a Cutlass Blue for much, much less and equip them with low emission components to do pretty much the same damn thing?

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>>160728193
Thats actually a pretty good theory. The surface temperature of that planet supports the theory too since its 174K, over 100 less than Earth.
Nice Anon.

>>160728193
>>160728921

Basically what's happening to that planet is like what happens to comets near the sun.

The visuals would be stunning if the graphics engine actually modeled the planet sublimating into space.

>>160728193
>The generation algorithm is actually fine and we're all retarded

>>160728726
>because you could buy

still pay to win, you are not blind you refuse to see

>>160729345
but if a cheaper ship can do just as well as a more expensive one and you can get both with UEC/REC then is it really p2w

>>160728726
re-read the prowler's features carefully and come tell me that it's comparable to the hoplite, any cutlass, or even the redeemer in terms of getting the most people on the ground safely with 1 ship

i'm not that guy who whines about p2w, but it's gonna kinda suck if the prowler ends up being nearly impossible to buy ingame due to "limited rare alien ships company" while being an extremely unique and arguable superior ship in function instead of just appearance

>>160729985
yes it is and you know it. do you want me to explain it to you?

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>>160729985
>Arguing with a pay2win fag

Why would you do such a thing?

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>>160730302
if you want
if it is p2w it's stupidly cost-prohibitive, unsustainable p2w that will result in a losing battle for whales especially with UEC-only ship equipment taken into account

>>160730461
to bump the thread sorry anon

>>160727956
even if they can scrap the Redeemer I bet people would get mad

so where's CIG going to go with Tevarin ships? the Prowler seems to be a collector's item given that it's made by Esperia, but it'd be dumb given its original purpose (in the real world) as a stealth dropship and so we're obviously intended to use that thing. And there must be other Tevarin ships out there for the Tevarin pilots in the modern Empire, or at least a company that specializes in refitting ships for Tevarin. The brochure for the Prowler also said that "the Prowler had not become extinct as a design", so are there extremely modernized/humanized versions of the Prowler like some sort of UEE military black ops drop ship?
I sound like some kind of forum autist don't I

>>160730546
>if it is p2w it's stupidly cost-prohibitive, unsustainable p2w that will result in a losing battle for whales especially with UEC-only ship equipment taken into account

not going to argue with you because you are not thinking objectively
this is weather the game is p2w or not. you are making it about the ramifications of it being p2w ie "if it is pay to win then x bad thing will happen"(for the record, i know p2s is bad)

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Have any SC or ED players here been playing EVE Valkyrie?
It's more of a 360 degree shooter than true space sim but I've been playing it with my HOTAS/Pedals and it's been getting me more hyped about SC than the live stream did

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>>160728389
I couldn't give a shit about limited release ships. CIG keeps selling them anyway. Just about everyone owns a Super Hornet now with the number of times it has come up for sale again, and again. Besides the alien ships may not have much modularity in the final game which would limit their upgrade potential.

I doubt the Prowler is going to be a game ending ship. It just gets dudes inside quietly. You still have to wrest control of the ship/platform away from its owner.

>>160731554
Nope. Can't play without VR so don't care. Also wish the game was integrated into actual Eve instead of being a standalone title. What From Dust should have been.

>players commanding their giant ships as other players are zooming around in between

>>160731756
Do you really want to try to dogfight in 10% TiDi?

>>160731889
Well, they could potentially design a system in which the Valkyrie players wouldn't have to fight in that slowed down time.

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>>160731756
VR cockpits get me solid after playing Elite with my DK2, but I get VR isn't everyone's bag.
Yeah I agree tying it in would have been much cooler, but I've got no idea how they could link the two when EVE and Valkyrie play so differently. Unless it's a 'get contracted by X corp to run a series of attacks on a station/drone hive/something' it's be a pain working out the logistics of it.
Also RIP Dust. SC is going to have to carry that weight.

>>160732237
>How

How viable this would be to do, I don't know. But basically how I wish it could be done

>Valkyrie Battles are always in effect, the Eve players can hop into if they wish with their own ships, they would provide some interact-able background at the most, mostly ignoring the little guys
>Potentially have a limit on the amount of people to prevent the server slowdown
>Valkyrie players have the option to join ongoing battles happening in the MMO portion
>While the dog fighters are dicking about, animate some effects for the Eve ships hanging about, possibly real time destruction of larger ships that's being updated based on their actual destruction

>>160732237
Project Nova may yet materialize. It was playable on UE4 at Fanfest this year.

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>Black Hole 12 Ls away from a Class O star
Its definitely eating up the excess gas isn't it

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>>160735018
Also this system has a ridiculous amount of stars

is 2.6 in Avacdo's hands yet?

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So RIP my tally, I traded it in, maybe I'll pick one back up again if they ever make it good at anything.

>>160735942
fucking at last

didnt you also had the reliants?

I'm an hour away from my nearest star system. Is there anything I can do to fix this?

>>160735838
Nope. We do know they tested out flight changes last week with them and you can expect the flight model/speeds to be very different when 2.6 goes live. End of November / early December would be my guess for 2.6.

>>160736046
Yea I melted one and used the credit to make my 315 into a cutlass, then turned my giveaway Kore into a giveaway 315.

>>160700518
Started with Avenger but just upgraded to cutlass blue. Miss the Avenger though. Its comfy.

>>160736085

Down two shots of vodka and spend an hour fixing your problem.

melted my ships, sitting on $280 right now
what do you think, lads?
should I just get a merchantman/connie, or should I just get a freelancer MIS and something else?

>>160736085
Explain. Are you on the edge of galaxy? Did you run out of fuel?

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>>160736219
Thats pretty good guy but check this out

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>>160737406
i've got a polaris and thugdromeda at the moment and feel very comfortable with the latter as an ultimate, versatile fallback should everything go tits up for whatever reason; along with early wide application usage as the game first begins. should be within your price range but i don't know about LTI and whatnot.

there might be things more specialized but an andromeda will likely be a forefront jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none ship.

>tfw husbando has an orion that we'll print money to fuel org capital shenanigans with

>>160737406
Merchantman might be good for future value once they increase its price so you can CCU to a more expensive ship.
Constellation is good for multirole and you can get an Avenger or something with the leftover credits. Maybe a base Freelancer and a Super Hornet/Sabre? MISlancer and Cutlass? Hull C and a small fighter? You have many options. Personally I'd go for the Constellation.

>>160737406
merchantman for sure
they are going to go up in price

>>160737406
Connie is pretty good for a generic multi-role crewed ship. The Freelancer is going to be better at hauling with variants filling in for specific roles. Both can be run solo but you will be missing out on a lot of firepower without someone manning the turrets in the Connie. Neither ship is very good against dedicated combat ships like the Hornet or Saber.

>>160737580
I took a mission and tried jumping to that destination. Apparently after an hour it still said I had a day until I got there. I decided to head back to the nearest area and I'm now an hour away from the nearest base.

How the hell can I make this go faster?

>>160738315
M8 you have to use the "Plot Route" function in the Galaxy Map. You can't make one singular jump to a system outside of your jump range so you need have the map plot a route so you can jump system to system until you get to your destination.
Make sure you have enough fuel to get there.

>>160738472
I did hit plot route and then I focused on the area I needed to go and hit J. It was like a straight shot, but it would take me a day to get there at max speed.

>>160737718
>>160737842
>>160737771
>>160737780
I'm still sitting on an LTI super hornet so i'll probably pick up the merchantman, sounds like I can cheat the system a bit
thanks for the responses guys

>>160738572
Just remember to get a 85X and upgrade that to the BMM so you get LTI.

>>160738568
It supposed to take about 10 seconds dude. Are you sure you didn't drop out of Supercruise or something?

>>160738973
Nope. I didn't. I hit plot course in the star map. Faced the direction I needed to go and then hit J. I got to max speed of 2000c and was still a day away. Maybe my ship sucks? I dunno.

>>160739384
>max speed of 2000c
Ah, you went IN to Supercruise. Face the star targeted and hit J again.

Will we be getting mechs?

>>160739502
power armor

>>160737696
but do you have the crew for it? and if you say muh NPCs you're a tard.

>>160739470
What? Is there something I'm missing? Like right now I hit J facing the target star. It says it's 7.26Ly away and it says it'll take 100 days to get there. If I hit J again, it says it will drop me out of hyper space.

>>160703690
>Human crew
Godlike-npc>Hi_lvl-npc>Mid_lvl-npc>Humans>Low_lvl-npc.

>>160739927
Anon double tap J to drop out of Supercruise, save and quit to the main menu
Go to Training and do Docking and Travel Training. You're evidently missing something I can't think of right now and that might help you realize what it is.

>>160739641
the crew is the easiest part
i can always join an org i am sure a lot of orgs will be thrilled to have a javelin on their fleet

>>160740182
Thanks. I got it.

>>160740143
this exactly
npcs are only as good as the programmer but they almost always have better aim than humans

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>>160741212
join random org, let them all on your javelin, they steal it, kill you and your insurance doesn't kick in because technically your org has your javelin and it looks like insurance fraud.

>Letting people you barely know crew your expensive rare shit.
>Ever.
It will be a matter of time, and a short one at that until you get mutinied upon and replaced with an inner circle member.
In multiplayer sandbox game, long terms friends and associates that you know you can trust are your single most valuable asset, bar none. I'd suggest spending the time between now and launch developing some.

I have my EVE/Planetside corp with more than a thousand players, at least a few dozen of whom will be playing SC to crew my Corvette and other ships.

>>160741795
>join random org

Join a reputable org then. It's as if none of you have ever played MMOs or something.

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>play ED for 200 hours with kb+m
>think it's time to make the switch to HOTAS
>buy the hotas x
>feel like I'm learning how to walk again
>arm feels tired after playing for a while because it takes too much effort to do anything
>can't come up with a binding that doesn't confuses the shit out of me
>tfw I fell for the HOTAS meme.

>>160741923
>>tfw I fell for the HOTAS meme.

What a retard, falling for old man memes.

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>>160741836
Very very few MMOs have risks even vaguely approaching SC. they all have faction which cannot betrayed, GM teams that will undo scamming and skullduggery. Really there is only EVE, and we all know how reliable even the reputable corps in EVE are, they almost routinely unravel because of the actions of individuals, and the fallout is opportunistic chaos.

Don't think MMOs, think more along the Lines of DayZ or Rust in terms of trusting people you just met. And if you are the rich new guy in an org you better be aware and accounting for the fact that someone in that org is looking at you and planning how best to make your shit his shit.

I'm at work and haven't really been checking - can you CCU current ships to the exclusive ones right now (i.e Black -> Blue Cutlass) or are they doing stupid anniversary cash only bullshit

>>160742220
Yes, you can.

>>160742220
CCus are available, only cash sale stuff is new models and cap ships.

>>160742043
>GM teams that will undo scamming and skullduggery

So is SC

>>160741795
I played runescape for 13 years and amassed a ton of wealth
i am familiar on how mmos work
a LOT of players in here seem to think whales are dumb fucks

in reality whales were capable of 1. having extra ioncome irl and 2. are probably mmo enthusiasts

>>160741923
>tfw been using Controller+KB for 300 hours and will probably never switch to anything like that
I sure as hell wasn't using the mouse, I wanted a stick of some sort but have never been big on Joys

>>160742302
They're not going to undo anything unless it involves account information or "real" scamming like paypal transfers.

Playing people and stealing their ships is intended

>>160742302
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14151-Letter-From-The-Chairman

>>160742504
>>160742561
You're naive if you think CIG isn't going to just bend over backwards at the first sign of a bunch of whining whales.

>>160742717
They've done the exact opposite already though, kek

Every time some moron with 7 capitals asks a question thinking their 890J will be a combat ship they get blown the fuck out, same with it all. CIG doesn't give a shit.

>>160742717
I posted a link that says exactly what CIG intends to do with a position that is supposed to deal with disputes like that though?

>>160742760
>>160742815
I'm not just baiting, I just think that CIG will be like every other gaming company and bend to the will of high paying customers.

It's hard to argue otherwise.

>>160742889
CIG already isn't "like every other gaming company", you realize that don't you.

AAA type games that don't have a publisher that cares about their image more than their products being good are few and far between.

Like, anything published by EA is going to do that because they're hungry jews. CR doesn't seem to give a single shit about it.

>>160742889
and I don't know why you think that I think you were baiting, I wasn't even trying to disagree with you

>>160742950
>>160743183
Well we'll see in time.

>>160742003
>>160742484

On second thought, it isn't so bad lads. I changed up some stuff and I'm back in business.

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So from the looks of it the Sabre variant comes with 2 Sledge mass drivers and 2 plasma shotguns. Kind of a shame really, they could have strapped the APAR ones to it instead.
Apart from that, did anyone try the shotguns yet? How do they perform?

>>160744779
Badly from what I've seen.

>>160744779
>>160745329

They have massive hit detection issues. Especially in multiplayer.

They do great damage when they do land hits though. I imagine they'll be a great counter to fast little fuckers like M50s

>>160744779
>Rear-top thrusters
>if they actually fired in the direction they are nothing would happen, rather than the pitch-up movement that is clearly wanted

bravo cig

>>160745630
why the hell not?

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>>160745630
It's close, but they're not directly below.

>>160745897
Ah, I stand corrected.

>>160745851
Looked like the rear stabilizers would just deflect the thrust out to the side

though they are close enough for that still to be happening a little

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Why does the Gladius have to be so underwhelming? On the one hand I want one because it looks great and has the potential to be fun, unless they make it drift everywhere again, but on the other hand the loadout is just terrible.

>>160746080
By "loadout" do you mean maximum hardpoint capacity

>>160746182
Yeah. On the current Evocati build it has the same missile options as the Gladiator wing mounts (4 S3 hardpoints that can mount quad S1, dual S2 or single S3), but the guns definitely need an upgrade. S3s on the wings would probably be enough.

>>160746259
>On the current Evocati build it has the same missile options as the Gladiator wing mounts

Ha ha fuck you CIG

and I don't know anon, its meant to be a light fighter, with its advantage derived from its speed and agility. As soon as we up-gun everything it kind of throws that out of whack

>>160746364
Sure, but the Buccaneer is also a light fighter, only costs $20 more and can mount dual S1, dual S3 and a S4, while supposedly being similar in maneuverability.

>Mfw they removed Cruise from 2.6
>Mfw they removed Boost from 2.6
>Mfw SCM speeds roughly halved
>Mfw Afterburner boosts to Cruise speeds

This is going to be "fun".

https://twitter.com/croberts68/status/2322208895

>>160746784
>they removed Cruise from 2.6
What?

>>160746852
Yeah, instead afterburner can get you up to the old max cruise speed. Not sure how exactly it's supposed to work. Knowing CIG they probably make it so you have to hold the afterburner button permanently to not drop out or something. Getting to remote locations is gonna be fun.

So question. How does the 325a fly? I don't have one but I gifted a package to my friend years ago. But lately he is a bit concerned and was thinking of upgrading due to watching some videos. Is it trash or is just not as powerful as some of the military grade fighters but still effective in PVE?

>>160746965

it's mediocre in almost every way

>>160720283
>>160719882
Well, that and how much will we have to pay in the long run. So far as I know once SC delivers, you'll have access to everything with a $45 aurora package and lots of hard work in game.

With E:D, I can't land on planets right now because I never forked over another $30 for the expansion.