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New Director of All-Out edition

Permalink: http://orph.link/eog

>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.

>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then all the Career Agent missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.

>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.

Read the /eog/ pastebin: http://pastebin.com/JGKUEsZy
Focus Group Logs: https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/

Now:
>ASCENSION DEPLOYED http://updates.eveonline.com/date/2016-11-15/
>EVE IS NOW F2P GOY


Future:
>Nov 22: Rewards, Gnosis, new destroyer etc.
>Nov 25: Eve Down Under
>Nov ??: http://updates.eveonline.com/coming/fall/ click through for devblog links on F2P and LINKS, plus teasers for rorqual reworks, industry structures, visual updates AND also free stuff, plus a new ship


Past:
>Sep 27: Coronation of Catiz I
>Sep 13: Mining barge overhaul, some new frigate models, capital module balance pass
>Sep 12: CSM 11 first summit
>Aug 13: [SoundCloud] WH CSM Townhall 13AUG2016 by OrangeEagle
>Aug 09: Citadel contracts, dmg/rep visuals, clouds performance boost, cargo notifications
>Jul 26: AT prizes announced (blood raider variations)
>Jul 23: Goons move to Delve, SMA closes
>Jul 19: Broski joins then kills QFC
>Jul 18: Billboards submissions open
>Jul 07: AT rule changes: 10 players, no cap-xfer, no CDs, blood raider ships encouraged
>Jun 29: "Shadow of the Serpent" event began, serp capitals introduced
>Jun 28: Citadel trading, overlay vectors, new implants, drugs legal, NSA nerfs, triage/seige/bastion now ECM immune, mass fitting
>Jun 23: RIP SP dailies
>May 30: RIP Dust 514 (long live Project Nova)
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
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1st for Trump won, Brexit happened, but White Stag still can't do a merger
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the 25k plate has in the description "may only be fit to caps", but the fitting info doesn't show any restrictions
has anyone tried to fit it on an amarr battleship with pg rigs+lows?
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2nd for does oruze have bookmarks?
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Reminder Minmatar have the best ships
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>EVE goes F2P
>/eog/ puts a dude pic in the OP
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>>160667853
25k plate can be fit on battleships

if a module has a ship restriction it will say so in the description just like a covops II cloak does
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Is suicide ganking just a meme? I'm wondering if I should sub a Freighter alt or if it's better to just use courier contracts to haul my stuff.
Is warping to zero good enough if I stay away from Uedama/Jita or do you really need webber alts and scouts? Will people really gank my shit even if it's not profitable?
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>>160667810
Merger with who.
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>>160668207
>Will people really gank my shit even if it's not profitable?

There is a competition going on right now where the person who kills the biggest amount of newbies gets 1.5 billion isk or plex.

So yeah, I've seen and have been suicide ganked
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so to make a contract to someone, they have to be online i think

i logged in for both but that violates the alpha clone whatever so i have to do it from a diff computer
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>>160667754
Just made 32mil ISK from 2 relic sites in WH space. Before this I only had 28mil ISK on my account.
I guess I should do more WH exploring
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>>160668441
>so to make a contract to someone, they have to be online i think

wrong
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>>160668483
just dscan every 5 seconds and check wh.pasta.gg for system info and you should be fine unless a cloaked nigger is waiting for you
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>>160668541
when i search by name, it shows a whole bunch of people except mine
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>>160668441
What might be going on, is you just made the character so the servers arent updated.

Try logging on the one you can't find, go to people and places and add the one with the items as friend and send a message

Then try making a contract after that by selecting the friend
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>>160668748
This.
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>>160668223
White stag is planning to merge with hard knocks.
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>>160668748
still cant find him in contacts however i was able to send and receive messages. i also transferred all my isk still cant make contracts tho
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first
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Daily Reminder the moros is the worst dread and the nag is better than the moros in every field of the world
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>>160669291
>i also transferred all my isk still cant make contracts tho

Did you dock your newb character before doing the contract? Might be why you cant if hes logged in space
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>>160669487
o shit
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>>160669439
The phoenix is worse than the moros, give it that much at least.

At least a moros doesn't get speedtanked by fucking carriers.
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is highsec exploration worth doing whatsoever?
i'm a shitty noob and all I'm getting is combat sites and wormholes

in low/nullsec I'd just get instantly vaporized by someone, so yeah..
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>>160669878
the pheonix tanks way better than the moros

>speed tanked
only torpedos can be speed tanked. Hell a fucking titan can speed tank torpedos

capital cruise missiles is where its at
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>>160669916
With great risk, comes great reward.
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>>160670019
at this point I'm okay with just finding a relic/data site in the first place
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>>160670167
So are the 10k people who are thinking the exact same thing as you
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>>160669916
highsec hacking sites are ~1mil per site, so not really
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>>160670248
>implying there aren't also 10k people thinking this
>>160670019
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>>160670305
hence exploration being a big fucking meme
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>>160670337
haha time to go mining or something
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so the gist is that exploration is currently saturated right?

I'm kind of new to killing people in low sec, so do I just scan them out then warp in and jam their warp? seems to work well enough right now
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>>160670337
how is it a meme
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>>160670402
>30k newshits competing for exploration sites in high, low and nullsec

good luck finding anything to explore
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>>160670460
implying nullsec isn't fucking ded
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>>160668674
>you should be fine unless a cloaked nigger is waiting for you
happend to me my first 5 times I tried WH exploran
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>>160670565
use wh.pasta.gg and check recent kills, the timezone etc.
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>>160669878
Do you actually have any idea how site spawning works?
Don't tell newbros a bunch of bullshit
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the contract finally worked, i dragged and dropped my name from people and places to the contract menu
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>>160670861
baka
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>suddenly everyone is doing highsec anoms
fuck ccp
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>>160671389
:^)

my goal is to have a decent cashflow to make enough isk for a monthly plex while having fun any tips? preferably something that involves undocking
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>>160671654
>not just going into wormhole space

highsec exploration is a joke
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>>160671859
nigga I just warp to an anom with my caracal loaded with fof missiles, hit f1 when rats get in range and come back 5 mins later, maybe loot and repeat if faction spawn or do escalations if that happens
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Is there any to play poker with ISK or are all the gambling sites dead now?
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>all those newfag exploration questions
Highsec is currently full, which in turn means that a lot of wormholes connected to highsec are camped to shit.
If you want to find places that aren't full of people where you can look for sites in relative peace, go scan in dead lowsec areas. Try places around Aridia, maybe, that tends to be ded except for miners.

While lowsec hacking is mostly bad, the wormholes connected to lowsec systems are much less likely to be populated.
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>>160671682
Before F2P, exploring relics was viable for ultra cash flow.

Now I don't know
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Should I join Reddit's guild or does 4chan have a helpful one?

Most 4chan guilds spam meme's and aren't helpful
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>45,700 players
CCP pls
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>>160672961
WHAT ZE FUGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Its growing instead of dwindling down day by day from quitters..

THIS CANT BE HAPPENING, IM IN CHARGE HERE
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>>160672935
Yes.
The main one is full, ask pupper they might be interested.
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>>160672764
I never found highsec relic / data sites to be very profitable, you get like 700k-1mil on average and there's always a bunch of other people doing them.

Compared to just afk mining in a venture it didn't really seem to be worth the effort
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>>160671859
>anoms
>exploration
what
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>>160673189
The best sites are in wormhole space...
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>>160673008
it's the weekend you spaz
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>>160673182
Thats why you dont do highsec.
You do worm holes at make 50mil+ a pop
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>most new players are gayllente
really makes u think
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alright fuck the exploration meme

I'll just do combat shit, maybe incursions if alphas can do that

also, best faction for incursions?
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>>160673360
How so
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>>160673461
>Give one race easily the best lineup of alpha skills and ships
>Y DEY ONLY PICKIN ONE?
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>>160673468
people only do the hardest incursions and you need a t2/faction fit battleship for that
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>>160673550
well

fuck
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>>160673550
there are groups that do it in t1 battleships with t2 mods its not that hard
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>>160673654
still takes 6 months of training to fit all the required stuff
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>>160672436
Dunno what you smoking, but I've been gas harvesting recently and was scanning wormholes from high sec. None of them were camped. Just have to find the right high sec.
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>>160673734
no it only takes like 4 weeks
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looks like CCP either needs a new server or a new New Eden to fit all these alphas
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>>160673550
>people only do the hardest incursions
That's wrong
People do run VGs
>>160673550
T2 guns aren't required a lot of times and they are the only big thing
>>160673734
1-2 months
Same time for logi IV and shit
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>>160673794
nigger even training t2 large guns is like 1.5 months
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>>160673809
>new New Eden to fit all these alphas
Alpha concentration camps when?
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>>160673906
What happens if you disconnect during incursions? Google says logi will repair your ship if it gets attacked, but I'm not sure if it's true or not.
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>>160673964
you die
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>>160673964
Your ship is going to e-warp
If you are pointed and stay on grid logi will lock you up and you will get broadcasted
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>>160673958
they're called Tutorials
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>>160673923
You don't need T2 large guns to fly with WTM
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>>160673958
>>160674039
They're called high sec.
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As a newbie Omega, do I just slam every skill I can into the queue?

Or is there something I should focus on? It says like 14 days right now, does it have to finish one skill before it goes to another?
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>>160674762
I would prioritize fitting skills and engineering skills before other skills
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>>160674762
Yes, it trains one skill at a time in the order you put them in. e.g.

Caldari Frigate II 5m
Rockets II 11m

Means that in 5 minutes you'll have Caldari Frigate level 2 learned, but it'll be 16 minutes until Rockets level 2 is learned.
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>>160674762
What this nigga said
>>160675020


Fitting skills and engineering skills are priority. Then shield/armor/weapons. Depending on what you want to do in game.

Anything that boosts your power grid, reduces cap usage and boosts your CPU output are Numéro uno.
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What is the best corp that is recruiting alpha clones?

>pandemic horde
>karma fleet

I mostly want to get into eve online for the spreadsheets (industry and/or trading)
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you could join a non-meme corp
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>>160675690
Pancakes
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Is Brave worth joining?
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>>160676245
No, join pancakes instead
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>>160669916
Jump into lowsec, eventually you'll learn to not be terrified of it. After you get the hang of running sites in lowsec without any intel channels, nullsec is literally babby tier.

JonnyPew has a good video series on getting started. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p-zXfMWmjM
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>>160673508
The loot is many, many times more valueable
>http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormhole
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>>160675690
KF will help you do either of those.
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wardecs are retarded
all these fucking newbros joining a corp and getting blown up wherever they go
jesus christ what a way to keep their new players
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>>160676869
Oh no there is PVP in a PVP game! Whatever shall we do!
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>Mining in hisec in Procurer
>Merlin comes up and attacks me
>Doesn't even get through 10% of my shield before getting concorded
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>>160677243
>killing 1 week old newbies over and over is pvp
ye ok
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>>160676869
>newbros

back to your hole
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>>160677801
>its not pvp because I said so
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10% tidi wew
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>>160677801
Player versus player content is not considered to be player versus player content because...?
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>>160677801
I agree
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because kys shitter highsec babbye
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>>160679051
they already did, c >>160677585
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50k
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Alpha clone here, I've got about 125 Million ISK right now and I'm thinking about getting myself a Vexor. Will I be handicapping myself massively if I upgrade to it without being fully skilled out?
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>>160680664
It's a vexor. it costs pocket change. fit one and see what happens.
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>>160680664
You should kys, gallente scum
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Should I even bother with remapping on a alpha?
It will only take like 2 weeks for all the gunnery skills.

If not, then what do I do? remap to 27 Perception and Willpower? and keep it there for a year?
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>>160681065
Remap to whatever you feed will be needed. Most remaps will have nothing in Social, so just remember that.
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>>160680812

Know any good fits that would work for an Alpha clone? Most of the ones I see are all T2 stuff I can't get
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>>160681360
Well I figure, I have like 2-4 weeks of gunnery and then starship skills and missles to train, and if I ever plex up, then will have tons more skills to train.

So maybe I should just keep it there..

What skills should a person train as soon as they subscribe to take advantage?
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>>160681469
Haven't a clue, I don't know what alphas can actually use.

Swap the t2 for meta gear?
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>>160681610
>What skills should a person train as soon as they subscribe to take advantage?
Planetary Interaction and Industry/Invention are both passive income.
When fully trained, Industry can *almost* cover the cost of a PLEX, not sure about PI.
But fully training either takes a few months. Way more, if you're using all three slots.

Beyond that, it depends on what you want to do.
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>>160681065
EveMon. Planning.
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>>160681610
Gunnery.

There's a playstyle that's probably interesting coming from other games. Stealth, speed..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UieJcWI-YM
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So what the fuck is going on in the north anyway?
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>>160681886
>>160682171
>>160682298
Thanks for the help

Also I've watched that video in a previous thread before :p
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>>160681012
gas the [s]jews[/s] gallente desu sempai.

Race war nao!
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>>160682538
The tackle vid is sweet.
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>you miss a giant fight because you got off your lazy ass and went to the gym
>Feelsbadman
>later learn tidi was so bad logi wasn't cycling

I think my gains were worth missing out on that cancer desu
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>new player, started a few days ago
>try my hand at some more dangerous explorations
>make waypoints in the middle of nowhere to protect myself from getting ganked so easily, all that jazz
>eventually find a data site in -0.2
>some dude warps in and starts orbiting me then leaves
>escape back to jita with my precious 5m in loot

That was some intense action.
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>>160682996
lcuky boiz
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I found a 32m Deadspace item in highsec, is this what exploration is about or did I just get insanely lucky?
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>>160682996
Senpai what you really want to do is scan down low class wormholes.

To do this, scan down a wormhole like you'd normally would. Then when you warp to it, enter the radial menu and show info.
If it says "enters unknown space", you're in luck.

There's going to be tons of shit to scan down. What you're looking for is PIRATE relic sites (data sites are never really worth it, but if you bring a cargo scanner you can scan the things and see if it has a valuable blueprint).

If it does not have a "pirate" name in it FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST DO NOT ENTER IT.

Good luck and enjoy dank fucking loot. Remember to watch d scan as well,
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What exactly does pupper do, and why should I join them?
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>>160667754
Ok im new into this shit, how can i have REAL fun in this game?

>inb4 Autistic shit.
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>>160684003
>fun

lol
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>>160684003
Join a FW, nullsec, or wormhole Corp that's accepting newbros.

Don't join horde.
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>>160684003
Eve is a job. Not a game.
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>>160683524
pretty lucky but not too rare or unheard of
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>>160683524
You were exploring in an 11k EHP ship, right?
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>>160684003
RvB
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>>160683624
>What exactly does pupper do,
Nothing, they're Goon's malformed step child. Much like 4chan.
>and why should I join them?
Because you should.
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>>160684692
It was an Imicus with like basic fittings
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>>160683624
Pupper does dumb things with bad players.

If you're a bad player in need of dumb things, join them.
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>>160684978
Multiply your ship's EHP by 3000.
Carry more ISK and you get ganked.
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>>160685248

It was my first time exploring outside of the tutorial/career agents.
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>>160685447
>tutorial/career agents
It astounds me that they made a new tutorial.
...and then LEFT THE OLD TUTORIAL IN.
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>>160682685
>Race war nao!
We already have a race war. It's called Faction Warfare and Gallente are constantly winning it.
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>>160685797
the new "tutorial" just replaced the old "opportunities" thingy.
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>>160685797
The new tutorial doesn't cover lots of stuff the Career Agents do, such as scanning.
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>>160686643
>such as scanning.
The Career Agent barely covers that.
You still have to look most of it up.
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>51k players
We poplar bois
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Im super new, it took me like...hours to do the first set of missions, but i had fun with my 14 day trial.
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>>160686374
and that makes me a sad calamari
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Been away from the game since '09. Just getting back into it, spooled up three of my chars with these shiny new mining frigates (Venture). Reading a lot about how the ORE Industrial Ships help out the crew. But I can't find anything that really gives any advice on when it makes sense to use them over a miner. How large does your mining crew need to be before it makes more sense to run a Porpoise instead of another miner?

In my case, just doing high-sec ore with a crew of Ventures at this point.
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>>160687074
would not fuck, too smug
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>>160687701
I guess try and work out how much extra m3/sec you get from the links. I think they sort of haul as well, so maybe they'd replace a hauler you might be using. I imagine ventures just move it all themselves though
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Why do capital armor repairers cycle SO FUCKING SLOW
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>>160687724
>Not liking smug
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So it's actually good to enter the game now that it's F2P or it's just a really demo version that you will end paying suscription 1 week in because of the limitations?
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>>160687958
Alphas are pretty heavily limited but they can still do quite a bit of stuff. One of the devs did PvP with an alpha account for a few weeks before Eve Vegas and came out isk positive.
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>mfw my alliance is fucking retarded
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>>160688116

But, do i have a form to upgrade my alpha character or I must dump it once i want to upgrade to the subscription version?
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>>160688323
Alphas can be upgraded to Omegas and Omegas can be downgraded to Alphas, just depends on whether or not you're subbed at the time.
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>>160688323
When you subscribe, it switch the character to an alpha clone to Omega, which has full access to everything.

And once your sub runs out, it switches back to Alpha, which locks all the skills you trained as an omega and only uses alpha skills.
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>>160688187
Dyson lost a fax on the undock of their fortizar to thrashers?
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>>160687074
It's Emma.
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>>160687724
hm, I don't need you. I've got money,
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>>160688116
that was solo pvp, the most difficult form of pvp
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>>160683614
Thanks anon. I'll take a look at those in a littlewhile
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>Hurricane
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>>160688536
that 5 head
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We're hitting 50,000 boys
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>>160690605
30,000 brazilian huehue influx
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>>160690605
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If I stop a skill from training does it reset the entire progress?
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>>160691743
No
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oh god i finally finished sisters of eve arc and now i have no idea what to do with myself this game is so overwhelming send help
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>>160688536
>crackwhore/10
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>>160692061
Try exploration

Join a corp

Try pvping

try mining
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>>160692061
just join a corp, whatever looks good, don't think too hard, and roll with their flow until one day it clicks on you and you get inspired to do something on your own, or when you get sick of them.
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>try mining
Might as well tell him to get an exit bag.
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>>160692061
Join Pupper.
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>>160692085
>>160690267

Rude
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New Aura is cute! CUTE!
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>>160693718
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>>160693635
look like on of my old friends. so if youre going for lesbian hick from OK then you're good
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>>160693395
im not in a corp yet so i think ill do this.


so far ive been doing a bit of ratting and salvaging with some mining sprinkled in. i have 20 mil saved up and my first destroyer ship but i've been too scared to go below .5 sec yet.
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I want to do station trading without a dedicated alt.
Am I a madman?
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>Salvage t2 BC
>130k
Why does CCP hate salvagers?
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>>160687701
When you're doing this (>>160687821) math, remember that you can doing Mining Foreman (with less bonuses) out of a Venture.
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>>160677801
>Getting killed over and over in high-sec
I'm new as well but if this happens to you I think you should look for another mmo.
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>Why does CCP hate salvagers?
Bad blood between Iceland and Germany.
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>tfw you're so poor you have to extract and sell your SP to pay for Plex
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>>160694283
are you sure about that
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>>160695867
1millie sp gib 120isk :-DDD
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as a new player is it worth spending 11 mil on my first cruiser? looking at the omen
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alpha chad here

so where are CCP going with this character creator?
as of now, I haven't managed to create a single attractive female in it, even after some work

making a 2D waifu seems straight impossible
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>>160696223
Cruisers are a big step up from Destroyers and absolutely worth it. If you can afford to lose it go for it.
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>51k
This game was supposed to be dead.
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can't find the pupper corp no matter how i set the filters. whats the full name?
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So why aren't you newbies in /v/ bros?
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>>160695962
Yes. Any ship can provide any leadership boosts
Your mining foreman could be a pod, if you want

>>160696963
>Pupper Appreciation Station
If you still can't find it, look for this player
• The Connoisseur
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>>160697271
there are no passive leadership boosts anymore m8 only the burst modules
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Which corp do I join, I have a 55m SP character.

I have a bunch of scrubs who want to play as well, I'm more dedicated than they are though.
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>>160697420
Pay the $10 to join Goon
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>>160696329
>so where are CCP going with this character creator?
>as of now, I haven't managed to create a single attractive female in it, even after some work
>making a 2D waifu seems straight impossible

It just depends on what you want 2bh. The options are quite limited, and the selection of things like clothes and hairstyles is pretty damn small (literally 1/2 the hairstyles are variations of the 'trendy' short look).

You might want to make a couple test characters before using the name you want for your main, just to get an idea of things.

However, there is always the option to resculpt, which allows you to change everything other than your race, sex and bloodline. Resculpt tokens are 300-ish mil in Jita at the moment.
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>>160697529
Or just join karmafleet or ascendancy
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>>160696329
>so where are CCP going with this character creator?
Nowhere, CCP has barely touched it since 2003.
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>>160697420
>Which corp do I join, I have a 55m SP character.
Dreddit
>I have a bunch of scrubs who want to play as well, I'm more dedicated than they are though.
put them in Brave Newbros
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>>160693395
>>160694070
I can't recommend joining any of the reddit or the goon corps and they're still better choices than pupper unless you got just the right level of brain mysteries
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Alphashit here, started yesterday.
What's the most comfy activity on this game? I might build a character around it.
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>>160697053
We alphas hang out in '/vg/ bros'
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>>160698009
>We alphas
So.... the poor?
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>>160697943
Depends on your definition of cozy.

Exploration is pretty cozy if you go to the ass end of null.
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>>160697943
If you're fast at pickups and deliveries, probably planetary interactions since you can do almost anything else involving it from the safety of a station.

High sec mining is comfy but dull, also lot of competition from alphas.

Exploration is a crapshoot of being either really high stress or really super cozy
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>>160697943
Probably hauling, exploring, or vastly outnumbering people.
Depends on yor preferences really.
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>>160697943
combat desu

you literally have the chance to fuck over anybody doing anything else
>ratting
>exploring
>mining
>PE
these people are all at your mercy
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>>160698110
Not even sovshit comes close to the thrill that is exploration in wspace or null. God bless CCP.
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>Shadow cartel
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Redpill me on faction warfare and how viable it is for a piece of shit alpha
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>>160698180
>planetary interactions
alphas literally cant do this shit at all

fuck you CCP
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>>160697943
Train straight for a freighter. Be a space trucker.

No corp can go without space truckers.

EVERYTHING in this game needs moving.

NOTHING can get done without space truckers.
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>>160698342
To be fair, it's a mechanic they put in and promptly forgot and haven't done anything with in years aside from a single freighter designed to ship PI goods.
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>>160698438
damn they seem quite incompetent for a company with such a successful game
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>>160697462
FTFY
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>>160698317
You could make a lot of ISK by doing plexes, but you're going to be at a severe disadvantage against Omegas, so your best bet is just doing empty plexes and warping out if someone else shows up. Not very exciting but can be profitable.
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>>160698435
>tfw almost done training for my Crane
CHOO CHOO, MOTHERFUCKERS!
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>>160697462

Pretty accurate, except Minmatar are space niggers.
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Best place to blast alpha explorers?
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>>160698663
Well, Trump DID say he wants to put effort in space exploration.
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>>160698530
Trust me, however dumb the decisions CCP makes today are back around 2010-2012 they literally had monkey shit for brains.
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>>160698959
boot.ini
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>>160697784
>Dreddit
No thanks
>Brave
Nah
I was asking more about the 4chan alliance.

>>160697529
I was in Goons coalition, no thanks.
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>I was asking more about the 4chan alliance.
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>>160697890
pupper looks dead anyway. 39 total members, 2 people in chat. i guess ill check out reddit corps
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>>160699058
>The entire PVE design in this game
>POS sov
>POSes
>absolutely ruining any chance WIS had
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Daily reminder this game isn't worth playing.
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Should I join Shadow Cartel? Or are they crap?
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>>160699645
Daily reminder that this game has vets so bitter they make lemons look sweet.
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is there no way to skip the fucking tutorial?
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>exploring wh with some success
>just one step deeper
>suddenly hisec
>police notifications on local
>pay no attention, din du nuffin
>probably some pirate faggot again
>wtf its hisec why am I taking dmg *Poof*

mfw I joined fw npc corp and forgot about it. then ended up other side of galaxy as policed wartarget pod.
was fun. would activate cloak or click wh next time tho
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>>160698569
Rad, what do I need to know and the like, I recall something about joining a FW corp but no idea what else I need to know, like investment costs
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>>160699739
they're one of the lowsec blob alliances. these alliances don't do much actual fun stuff, but if your opinion is incorrect and you think capitals and guardians are fun, you might like it
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>>160699541
>>The entire PVE design in this game
what's wrong with it?
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>>160700649
Are they still terrified of risking their high grade slaves, and so never actually fight in their machs if there's a chance anyone might die?

>>160700760
it's monumentally tedious.
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>>160700013
No we can just see the light past ccps marketing and 5000 artists. I guess if your in a Corp like all-out you would be autistic enough to enjoy this game.
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>>160700473
If all you're going to be doing is sitting in empty plexes and running from people as they suggested just get a frigate, put two warp core stabs on it (just in case), plus some agility and tank mods, and a MWP, then warp into empty plexes, kill the NPC, then fly to about 30km away from the cap opposite the warp-in point and sit there while you cap it, killing the NPC again if necessary. If anyone warps in you'll be 50-60km away and able to gtfo before they lock you. You should be able to fit a frigate like that for under 2m.
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>>160700272
Not that I know of, it's pretty short though
If dialogue is stalling the next objective, close the dialogue
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>>160700827
I think it's usually about muh capitals. rich idiots in lowsec welp slave sets all day

as a line shitter in these kinds of batphones everywhere situations, you are often not told the actual reason why a fight doesn't happen desu
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>>160700979
MWD*
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>>160701067
I've fought against them, the reason usually seems to be that the other guys aren't outnumbered.
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Does pupper take obvious nullbabby alpha alts?
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Hey alpha if you wanna be unkillable fly a Moa or Maller.
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>>160701774
O f
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C o u r s e
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s
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>>160701386
you're probably not privy to what your group has available to escalate with, what sc has to escalate with and what probable batphones they think you have or whatever. it's really foolish to get told by your fc 'yeah well their subcap fleet has 1 more gun than us and they won't engage lol cowards' and actually believe it. I see it a lot on all sides of these blob groups
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>>160701774
>Does pupper take x

The answer is yes.
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>>160702090
>>160702181
Even when the alt in question belongs to danika?
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>>160702291
>Even when the alt in question belongs to x?

The answer is yes.

I like Danika anyway.
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What does pupper do? Is it just an inactive pile of autistic shit like the thread seems to indicate?
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The fuck is with the newfag wrecks on every gate?
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>>160702698
We're a professional mining, industry and PI corp.
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>>160703051
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>warping along at .5 sec trying to rat and salvage
>suddenly 3 capsules with bounties warp past me
>"what-"
>arrive at next gate, see easily 50+ ships swarming around blowing each other up
>just hang back and watch the chaos unfold

first time seeing pvp in eve and it was fucking crazy.
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>>160703234
probably suicide ganking. it's a fucking retarded activity
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>>160703350
it was in niarja. i was asking about it in chat and people were saying its a common thing there apparently
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>>160702746
>securit levels
>wahet are thos
>kek
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>>160703350

t. shitter who should have bought a mining permit
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Do people actually buy ship skins?

Is it worth it to spend whatever aurum I have on selling ship skins? Or is it more worth it to spend the aurum on skill extractors and selling those.
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>>160703350
>probably suicide ganking. it's a fucking retarded activity

Its ok, you're safe here, no one is going to hurt you. Can you point to part on this picture the bad Tornado touched you?
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>>160704113
Yup, suicide ganking

In high sec, the NPC space cops kill you if you attack someone else (wars not withstanding)
But they take a few seconds to show up, so you can still get a kill in first
Kinda costly, but if your buddy lots the wreckage you can come out ahead

General rule of thumb:
if you carry more than 3000 isk worth of goods per Effective Hit Point of your ship, you will get suicide ganked
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>>160704815
take a look at how many actually sell on the market for isk. I think most skins are just people buying 1 for themself with aurum
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>>160704815
methinks u get more from just selling the plex
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Are data sites even worth touching?
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>>160697053
Because /v/ clans corps guilds are pure cancer. I wouldn't touch these places with a ten foot pole, I'd even prefer a Corp made by redditors than any clan revolving around v and vg. Every single fucking time I try those out it's 90% filled with edgy aspies using the same old memes to death and somehow they manage to suck the fun out of anything. Leaving a sour taste in my mouth especially when there is some ranks involved. The dicksucking and arrogance that follows would make Kim Jong un's tiny cock hard. So no, anyone considering doing anything with a group from /v/ might as well roll around in nuclear waste, it might take longer but you still get the cancer.
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>>160705052
le epic griefer *tips catalyst*
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>>160705542
>>160705331
I could just buy a multiple pilot certificate with the aurum and sell it for 1b.

That seems the most lucrative. Aside from raping my original char of his SP with skill extractors. But I might want him at some point.
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>>160705775
It's a chat channel, nothing more.
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>>160705654
One of the cans LITERALLY gave me nothing.

CCP is sending me a message I guess.
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>>160705775
you can go back to ribbit then
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>>160706165
use a cargo scanner
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>>160705654
A few blueprints are pretty valueable
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>come back after a year long break
>decide to run Incursions because surely isk making in a group can't be that bad
>somehow is more soul crushing that spamming anoms in Null

The ISK and the fact I ran into two people I used to chat with a bunch almost makes it worth it though.
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>>160681012

Instead of Islam I'd make it Christianity since the whole crusades happened and it seems they treat their women a bit better and Amarr control like 40% of the space as it should be
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>>160706434
The worst part is?

I did do that, and I ignored it as I thought it was a glitch.
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>Warp into Jita in a combat ship
>Industrial wreck on the gate
>Destroyer guarding it, locks me when I get close
>300m of PI items, 45k m3
>Warp to 4-4, grab my Epithal, fit two warp core stabs to it
>Go back, go to can, destroyer locks me again
>Align to a station other than 4-4, grab the whole lot and warp away
>Arrive in station safely, wait out suspect timer, then warp to 4-4 and sell 'em
Score.
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>>160706930
What was in it.


>inb4abunchoftritium
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>>160681012
>>160706667
That and the Amarr faith seems pretty unified and hierarchical, which is more a trait of Catholicism than Islam or even the rest of Christianity.

Plus the Amarr are white.
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>>160681012
>Islam
>two female leaders in a row

Yeah, sure.
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How is mission running right now?
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>Reprocess shit at 50% efficiency and sell minerals

or

>Sell raw ore

?
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>>160708478
>look at both numbers
>do I want more isk or less isk?
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>>160708553
selling raw ore takes for fucking ever though
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I want less isk.
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>>160708203
>mission running
>ever
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>>160708635
buy orders if you don't like waiting
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>>160709062
I would like to make a profit too
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>>160708687
Standing for High/Low sec Industry
Loyalty Points to resell Faction crap
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>>160709080
Then quit whining
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>>160707460

>implying any of that makes sense

the caldari are all space chink names and they're white

And the minmatar are all black space injuns
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>And the minmatar are all black space injuns

pol pls
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is this sufficiently dank for low/null sploring cheetah?
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>>160709610
looks fine, just keep an eye on local and watch out for bubbles.
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>afterburner

use mwd

>extender

drop it for a something array, the one that makes your probes better. looks pretty memetic though :^)
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>>160709586

I'm just trying to point out equivocating them being white to them being similar to Christians is dumb. Additionally CCP added space gooks to every race in 2008 when they added the Chinese server. Are the amarrian Asian races Shinto because they're yellow?
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>>160681012
but the minmatar have white and azn ethnicities as well

in fact, I think most minmatars pick those
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>khanid
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>>160709821
>I'm just trying to point out equivocating them being white to them being similar to Christians is dumb.

Not all Christians are white, but most whites are/were Christian.
>>
Fuck all-out
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>>160709482
>And the minmatar are all black space injuns

No the Minmatar are Swedes.

They're black but their ships and systems have loads of Norse names, like Ragnarok and Hofjaldgund.
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I hope you're not rolling minmatar, good luck doing the career missions with that disgusting 5km falloff lol!
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>pve cucks

lol
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>>160703234
>>160703350
>>160704113
I was watching intel and a lot of people were saying Niarja was fucked and no hauler should come close, since earlier in the evening. Looks like CODE and PIRAT were enjoying themselves.
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>>160710706

The CODE always wins. Always.
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>>160710794
>t. Jimmy420
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>>160710794
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>>160710794
Everyone always wins when it comes down to killing shitters.
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>buy mining shit in jita
>forget to put it inside my badger

time to kill myself
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>>160712094

Don't forget to buy a permit.
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Yello. I've been out forever and am now back and trying to figure out what to expect from selling a heavily focused and near perfect Tengu pilot. I don't even know if Tengus were murdered by CCP or if you can still plex all day and run missions easily with em. eveboard is down so, for the interest of discussion, picture a pilot with 30.8 million SP and, excepting Caldari and Minmatar BC5 and very few odd level 1 skills, every single SP has been on shit you can use when you undock a Tengu or prereqs for that stuff. What are we looking at for a very general ballpark?
>>
So what is the deal with the steam subscription? buying the subscription from the official page cost me more than buying it from steam

IF i use official page it costs 14.95 a month, and from steam it costs 8.33 a month
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>>160712472
you're probably from some third world country shithole and steam sells it to you at as fixed currency convertion
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>>160712218

About tree fiddy
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>>160712218
http://www.eve-appraiser.com/
surprisingly accurate if you're selling it at general pilot
give or take 5+ more bil if you manage to sell it as a focused tengu pve pilot, assuming its actually well focused and not a shitpilot with stupid skills all over the place.
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>>160712979
Fucking laser focused, yo. He was intended to be a Tengu pve guy and that's all he is except for a diversion to get caldari and Mini battlecruiser 5 when they made that change. I'm only missing shield comp stuff to be perfect and maybe lvl 5 of whatever the longest training missile skill is but other than that he's perfect.
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
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>>160712979
I'm not >>160712218 but how is 9,741,847,949?
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>>160712716

yeah, i'm from Chile

so it's the same? i prefer paying subs than being a dirtcheap alpha user
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>Why did the Crane cross the road?
>It didn't.
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That's a lot of spaceship explosions.
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>>160693635
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>>160700979
Well, what else should I be doing as an alpha in FW? Can I contriubte much in a destroyer or cruiser or frigate?
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>>160715548
>that guy who isn't flying a griffin
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>>160715548
>Can I contriubte much in a destroyer or cruiser or frigate
Yes, frigates will always tackle and logi cruisers will always space priest. Tackling isn't going to be much different from a perfect frig pilot to a perfect alpha frig pilot. You spiral in after the fight starts (that's the important part, idiot FCs want early tackle, no point because the other fleet wants to start fighting or they would be aligned out and you won't get tackle anyways) get your tackle and maybe live long enough for the larger ships to get long points on. Logi you'll do less but you're still there. Even solo and one on one you can do stuff. It isn't all about skill points and clicking orbit and turning on modules. If you know niggas mostly fly blaster ships then your kestrel with a td web and scram will do stuff.
I can tell you this but it doesn't really help you as much as fitting up 50 frigs on a reasonable budget with meta 3 stuff and undocking until you don't have any left.
>>
So for anyone autistic enough on an Alpha account, you can print free SP if you don't mind wasting time.

The Mini Skill Injector only works if you have under 750k in SP and Free SP.
But, if you run the tutorial on alts and funnel the injectors to your main, as long as you have under 750k SP total you can pop the stacked injectors and go over that 750k limit.

Just tested it with what was going to be my hauling/mining alt, I had about 480k SP, stacked 5 MSI together and activated it for 880k SP in total.

It takes about 30-35 minutes to get to the part where you get the skill injector, depending on how much you are paying attention, contract them to your main and just stockpile them until you are ready. You could also combine this with the refer a friend bonus of 250k SP.

TL;DR
Spend a few hours grinding the tutorial for the equivalent of a 600 Million ISK Skill Injector.
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>>160716067
logi frigates also space priest, and ewar frigates and ewar cruisers also ewar

tracking disruptor vs blasters is stupid here btw. it's all about range control. if you are faster once the tackle is on you win. if you've thrown all your slots away to reduce his range, he will control range and kill you
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>>160716659
Web and scam would work and he can't logi frig as an alpha. Either way, he's not useless.
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>>160715548
>Well, what else should I be doing as an alpha in FW?
You should find a FW corp that's not full of shitters and join it
>>
Remember to redeem you 250k SP referral
>*AFTER*<
using the injectors.

Doing it before eats into the number of injectors you can use.

>>160716248
>and activated it for 880k SP in total.
>800k
>880-80 > 750
... can you use any amount of them if they're stacked?

>contract them to your main
You can redeem them on your main, if it's the same account.
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>>160717409
>... can you use any amount of them if they're stacked?

That's what I'm gonna test now, I didnt mean to do this, I was planning on only using 4 and selling the 5th one to help the character get started. I had done this before with another character but activated the injectors individually. With them stacked it went well over.

Worst thing that happens is I waste a couple days farming.
Best thing that happens is I save months of waiting on skills training
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>>160716248
>The Mini Skill Injector only works if you have under 750k in SP and Free SP
>and Free SP
Maybe I'm stupid, but what do you mean by Free SP here? Like gotta be alpha clone?
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>>160718000

Free SP is the amount of SP you can spend on skills, popping a Mini Skill Injector gives you 80k Free SP, but for the 750k limit it checks both your Used SP and Free SP
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>>160718000
SP given to you via some means but you haven't spent. The bonus skill points to alphas if they followed a referral link for example.
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>>160718191
>>160718213
Turns out I am stupid. On the correct page now though. Guess I'll do this and blow it all on being able to fly a prospector with a covops cloak, because dumb.
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>>160700760
To get any money at all you need to either get lucky or grind out an unbelievable amount of shit.
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>>160716248
>about 30
>You need to do this ~1.35 years straight to get the SP to fully max a character
Soooooo expoooooooooiltable, ooooooooooh my.
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Are my boys in Best Federation and Blue Republic still healthily active or do I need to actually put some effort beyond undocking into finding fights now?
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>>160718878

That's why I said Alpha account, if you are autistic enough to do it 60~ times you can max out all the skills available to an alpha.

And considering Alpha's already have half SP gain, 3-4 days of autismo grinding can save you months of waiting.
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>>160719301
>60~ times
57 times. Or 171, if you're responsibly maxing all 3 slots.
That's what, 28 days before actually playing?
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>>160719679
No, wait. 2 days with 6 throw away accounts and sane playtime shifts.
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>>160718868
Or just take some risks. Easily accessible, safe activities shouldn't be lucrative.
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>be in yurop
>glorious burgerclap though
>go to steam
>filthy euro prices and vats
>choose game, input texas banking info and click button
>based gaben reaches down and converts prices to the almighty dollar
>start up alpha account
>convert to omega
>filthy vat and euro price
>input bank info from republic of Texas
>press button
>get charged 14.95 euro
Now I see why Iceland bankrupted itself.
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>>160719679

57 x 0.5 hours
23.5 hours

Do it with two windows you cut that down to 11 hours ish
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>>160719926
Alphas have the old trial restriction with multiple clients.
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>>160720036

Are you sure?
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Is FW fun? I've been staring at it from afar for like two years, but I've never had the heart to get in on it.
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>>160720235
>Simultaneous Logon for Alphas:

>The CSM’s number one focus for Clone States matched the biggest concern from general player feedback: simultaneous Alpha clone logon must be limited. We agree and so we are planning to implement restrictions that keep any Alpha account from passing character select if another EVE client is already active. This will be true even if the other client is Omega. Bypassing these restrictions will also be a breach of the EULA and may lead to penalties and punishments and all that nasty stuff that our security team does if they catch you being bad.

from dev blog https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/clone-states-post-csm-summit-roundup/
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>>160720474
>Bypassing these restrictions

All I did was launch them together at the same time, they really need to work on that then.
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>>160720632
Yeah well, if CCP were good at their jobs WiS and Dust 832 would have been coop Dead Space in a third of the stations instead of a complicated shooter on a dying platform in a time when CoD was what console players wanted.
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>>160721126

Shit, well I'll stop now, I'm still gonna grind like fuck the next couple of days. It's agonizingly slow learning Drones V as an Alpha
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>>160719889
What do you consider a risky activity?

DED sites are total luck of the draw, WH sites can count but you still need to do a fuck ton to get any money...

Oh and cap escalations are total shit now
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>>160721427
inb4 banned for exploit abuse
>It's agonizingly slow learning Drones V as an Alpha
Tristan soon.
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>>160721498
Low sec hauling to stations that are bad for jump freighters can pay pretty well, thera is good too. Neither of these are reliable though.
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>>160721865
Go algos if you're droning.
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>>160721930
Plan to once I have actual income.
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Have the babby alpha explorers left hisec yet?
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>>160722580
Why are you there? Go to stain, get them armor plates.
>made my first billion doing exploration in catch in a covops and an AB rifter to run the sites
>the armor plates were like 20-30 mil a pop
>not nearly that much now
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What is a good lowsec region for solo frig pvp?
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>>160721908
Yeah the only real "big money" is in market fuckery, but it took me days to make a slimmer of a profit and that was in an ultra active null sec staging.
I'm thinking of trying it again but I dunno...
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>>160721930
Tristan with Frigates 4 and Drones 5 not that good?
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>Reddit is jacking off over 50k online when the game had to go free to play to reach numbers from 2 years ago

Lmao dead game
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>>160710523
I found all the quests pretty easy on Minmatar. People greatly overdo how bad they are.
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>>160723738
It's got the best model and that's what counts. Yeah I know that's a non-retarded looking crab nemesis.
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>>160723738

Algos is pretty tanky, just sit and watch your drones go ham on anyone that locks onto you
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>>160723908
That it does
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Hey I am new and want to do stealth stuff. Which corporation is best for that? I have Love Squad did alot of things like that
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Why is it everywhere else is happy with Eve except 4chan?

All you guys do is bitch and moan.
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>>160725362
>All you guys do is bitch and moan.

>4chan

Yes?
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>>160725362
Because we have played long enough to know this game use to be good
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>>160725362
see
>>160700013
Also recall the Goonswarm was founded on discontent with the stupid shit going on in the game and was dedicated to trying to ruin the experience for literally everyone and scare off any new playerbase. That said, they've let themselves get too soft and gone to shit entirely.
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>>160725442
Then fuck off and play something else retard.
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>>160725657
I have I uninstalled the game yesterday I'm just shitposting till nostalrius gets released.
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>>160725723
>eve is bad
>vanilla wow won't be

hooo boy
have fun when it gets shut down again
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>>160725861
It didn't get shutdown, they only took it down because they though it might get blizzard to bring out legacy servers.
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Any other wormholers here?
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>>160726808
Not yet, but I'm training for it. I won't do much though, I just want to ninja gas pockets in a venture.
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>>160726808

I wormed into your mom's hole.

How would an alpha babby get into wormholing? It's not really explained in game except "lmao scan"
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>>160727058

lmao scan

then click enter wormhole
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>>160726979

That's how I started. Now I've been living in a C2 for almost 2 years.
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>>160727058
You scan wormhole
Then you enter wormhole

Congratulations you're now a wormholer Enjoy the complimentary paranoia
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>>160727441
>>160727578

Yeah but how do I make money out of that? Is it just the same as >enter wormhole and then scan for more things
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>>160728092
run data and relic sites

if u don't find any go into the next wormhole

or mine gas or something
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>>160727058
Scan, enter and the very first thing you do every single time is bookmark the other side of the hole. Got it? Enter then bookmark. Every single time.

>>160726979
Prospector rather than venture, friendo.
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>>160728092
Pretty much, recommend you do some reading up on what sites there are first. Always check your dscan and have your exit bookmarked at all times.
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>>160728545
Prospector is locked to omega only
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>>160728545
See >>160728729

also isn't prospect way more expensive? I mean if I do it in a venture, one run would pay for like 6 refits or more.
although if and when I have more free time to go omega, I'll probably make the switch.

atm I just reading 5-6 wspace gas mining guides before I take the plunge.
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>>160729339
WH gas mining is basically just suck up as much gas as you can before the sleepers spawn and then get the fuck out of dodge.
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>>160726808
Wormhole is love, wormhole is life.
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>>160729397
can any wormhole have gas pockets? or do i need to do it in specific regions and/or null
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>>160728729
ah. It's always been better to pay for your first half year or so and worry about using plex when you have the sp to make isk somewhat efficiently. I dunno if alpha clone states change this much. Even a couple months sub with cash and that fast training time will probably do a world of good.
Think of it like someone has asked you to move a mountain of dirt. You've got a gardening trowel now but you can access a shovel and then a mini bulldozer faster if you pay a little cash. With an influx of players, the size of the dirt pile will probably drop too.

>>160729339
learn how to survive in dangerous space too. D-scan is your best friend. Learn to not warp gate to gate or hole to hole. Starting in low or null use your map set to ships or pods destroyed in the past hour to avoid camps.
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>>160729539
idk if any wormhole has gas but it's by far the most common wormhole anomaly so almost every hole has one
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>>160729539
Why do you keep asking us simple questions?
>http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormholes
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>>160729565
>I dunno if alpha clone states change this much.
Alphas don't get any money making skills, to avoid "significantly effecting the economy".
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>ctrl-f gnosis
>1 result in the OP

Why aren't we talking about this? It's pretty incredible as a noobship.
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>>160730365
Because they haven't been handed out yet.
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>>160731337

You can buy them from market, though. If any new alpha wants one, all they have to do is have the isk or generousity of some presumably omega player.
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>Snuffed Out
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>>160731446
Why buy one now when the supply is going to skyrocket in a day's time?
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>>160731803

I actually plan on buying a couple and stocking up on them when they are cheap.

Sit on them for a few months and Alpha's will be paying top dollar.
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>>160731803

It's not overly expensive to do so, and it's a fucklot better than flying some shitty t1 frig.
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[Slasher, Alpha FW Gang Slasher]
Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure
Damage Control I

J5 Enduring Warp Disruptor
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

150mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP S x3
Small Knave Scoped Energy Nosferatu

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I x2
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

What do you think? Drop the disruptor for more tank?
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>big ships are better than small ships

quality advice from r/eog as usual
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>>160732001
75m is a lot to a new player. I just saw one in Jita begging for 100k to finish a fit.
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>>160732531
if you're tackling for a gang, the correct mids are mwd scram disruptor mse. you do not need a nos on an attack frigate or interceptor, especially if you use an enduring warp scrambler. you end up with like 0.2 cap usage every 5 seconds, so you could drop that and upgrade other things

also fitting extender rigs or trimarks is dumb without a shield extender or plate
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>>160732585

That was a scam. Anyone can get 100k in a few minutes just mining veld.
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after a full 30 minutes of blood, sweat and tears, I've finally managed to create an attractive female character

and it's a minmatar whitey to boot
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>>160732552
>implying that's not true
bet you have a small dick ahahahahah
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>>160732746
>That was a scam.
New capsuleer, explain how.
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>>160732689
Alright, thanks! I'll try to shuffle things around to look more like that, then.
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>>160732857

>no pic

You had one job.
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jesus christ joining up with brave newbies is tedious
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>>160732948

>new

Heard of alts?
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>>160732746
If it was one of those standard Jita bots that asked for 1-10m every few minutes several hours a day I'd agree with you, but this person asked a single time, and for a very low amount. Even if 100 people in Jita saw that message and gave them 100k that's only 10m, hardly even worth bothering with such a "scam."
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>>160733078
I have, but where's the rub? He's begging pennies.
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>>160732948
It's like panhandlers irl
One donation of 100k isn't much, but if he get's multiple people then it becomes sizable*. Money is then transferred to a head character via one of many methods.

*Well, sizable to someone who either has no interest in doing anything, or who is just that much of a loser.

It's entirely possible that the guy is just poor and dumb, but there are those who take advantage of that perception.
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>>160732973
she's camera-shy
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>>160730365
what is this gnosis you speak of? Guess i could check op.
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>>160733809

Somewhat sub-par battlecruiser as they come, but with no skill requirements. Perfect for alpha newbies.
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>Have good profit margin on item with 470 isk buy orders
>Someone puts up a 500 isk buy order
>Then someone else puts up a 580 isk one
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So are goons even relevant anymore?
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I played this game once in a while making new trial since 2013. Joined a fleet for the first time and playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2QawCtbNvQ in the background.

it was fucking surreal.

Question: Why do I always fucking die in tackling role? I thought being smaller (low sig radius) means you won't get shot to death?
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>>160734745
If there are a dozen people shooting at you, you're going to die. No two ways about it.

Also, most tackle ships have really low hp. No 100% evasion here.
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>>160734745
Depends on how you were flying.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Velocities

Even if you're in a frigate going 3km/s if you're flying straight at someone it's still a clean shot.
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>>160734337

Yes, and? If it had a good profit margin, someone who can afford to shave the margin a little closer will go higher. Nothing to see here.
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>>160734881

Also don't forget missiles always hit for some damage, if they're in range. Rapid lights are the bane of all things small.
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>>160734528
For the last SIX (6) years now, yes.
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>>160733947
wait
it's the gnosis
They're just handing them out again?
I knew I knew those. We used them in the AT in rvb after they came out. I was in a merlin though. I think we were the first. Probably only dumb enough. Yeah okay.
New destroyers are from blueprints, yeah?
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>>160735095
And then the people with the 470 orders put up 580.01 ones and nothing changes except everyone is making less money.
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>>160734745
The one thing you most need to survive as tackle is a FC that understands that unless you catch a fleet jumping, if there's a fight it's because both fleets want to fight and you don't need to send in tackle first thing. That is your best tank as a tackler.

The second thing you need to know is if you do have to approach bad guys and they aren't busy with larger ships, you have to spiral in. Flying straight at them means they get to hit you. Treating the screen like there's an invisible clock on it, centering your target and then clicking 12 oclock, flying till they're at the bottom of the clock and then clicking 3, repeating til lthey're off to the left and going to 6 and just doing that will send you in them in a spiral which will keep full damage off of you.
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>>160735438
>580.01
Rookie mistake, ISK goes to 4 decimals
Put up orders for 580.0001
The display will round down to 580.00
But you'll win the orders
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>>160735616
whoa...
so this... is market pvp....
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>>160735703
kek
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>>160735703
Nah. The kingpins of Jita use macros.
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Should kspace be removed, /eog/? Maybe not removed, but at least brought into line with wormholes? Local chat is a crutch used by incompetent players who don't know how to dscan, and frankly, risk averse carebears don't deserve it. Also, why do missions pay out so much isk? Wormholers need to actually scout and dscan to ensure our safety, and consequently, the payout from sites feels a lot more rewarding. Entitled kspace children don't even need to scan holes to move from system to system - the stargates are literally already on overview. I came back last week when eve went "free to play", but I'm beginning to remember why I left in the first place. CCP have lost their way, and catered to an increasingly casual playerbase.
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What is the best way to huff drug gas?
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>>160737102 https://youtu.be/pLaJliu2_pI
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>>160737102
sock.
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>>160709610
>ANY shield extender
>warp core stab
>salvager
>hacking rigs
>afterburner
>power core

total shitfit
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>>160709610
>ANY shield extender
>warp core stab
>salvager
>hacking rigs
>afterburner
>power core

total shitfit
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>>160709610
You absolutely need 3 things. A covops cloak, a mwd and a probe launcher. Everything beyond that is just gravy. The reason you go with the mwd rather than the ab is that while activating your cloak prevents and shuts off mwd's if you cycle the mwd and then the cloak right after, you get one cycle of the mwd off while you're invisible and that's enough to coast outside of any gate bubble, then you just warp.
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>>160737671
do NOT bully

I can't post today
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>>160709610
>ANY shield extender
>warp core stab
>salvager
>hacking rigs
>afterburner
>power core

total shitfit

>>160737839
g i t g u d
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>>160737023
>wahhhh i have to work for kills wahhhh
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Where do I have to travel to get this sick ass music to play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XamBDXI89ck
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>>160741068
Take acceleration gatea
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>>160741141
>yfw thats exactly what Im doing this instant

spooky
>>
I wanna know if theres stuff I can do as F2P, and if I can, what would be best to do it in:

Tackle Frigate
Mining
Ratting
Hauling

Is TEST still around? Are we still with the goons/bees or is /vg/ on their own now?
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>>160741207
>Tackle Frigate
each race has a fast frig built for this, they have role bonuses or hull bonuses that reduce propusion something cap usage. You can also use the main fighting frigates, like the rifter or incursus. Not knowing what race you are I can't tell you exactly what you need.

>>160741207
>mining
Venture, train up ORE frig skill and resource skills

>ratting
what race? There will be a pretty strict wall here. You'll do level 2 missions easy peasy in a cruiser all day but 3s kind of want a BC

>hauling
this shit I don't even know anymore because I'm getting back after three years. My amarrian neutral alt hauler fits 32,500 or so in his bestower with 6 t2 cargo expanders and 3 cargo expanding rigs on an alpha account but the minmatar hauler I had on another guy couldn't carry shit and it had some kind of ammunition hold. I'd image ccp would have given matari another hauler for stuff but who knows because it's CCP.
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How do you make your money work for you at 300 million ISK?

Am an ALPHA.
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>>160742173

Bot with the rest of them on Jita
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>>160742016
>couldn't carry shit and it had some kind of ammunition hold
Amarr have a hauler with good speed and a hauler with good capacity.
Caldari have a hauler with good speed and a hauler with good capacity.
Gallente a hauler with good speed, hauler with good capacity, a PI hauler, an Ore Hauler, and a Mineral Hauler.
Minmatar have a hauler with good speed, a hauler with good capacity, and an Ammo hauler.
>>
So it seems that there's a general dearth of centralized information on eve and 90% of guides are geared toward beginners. I'm starting to wonder if that's not because 90% of all eve players just talk out of their ass and aren't really competent enough to comment on anything above beginner level.
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>>160742548

It's a very shallow game overall. Beginner guides cover everything, you just do the same stuff with better stats.
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>>160742548
It's because the game is very confusing for new people.

Once you get some experience with the game you just start to pick up and learn things, you don't really need guides at that point.
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>>160742548
The game isn't deep, just very wide.
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>>160742713
damn nigga you iz a poet and u diden even no it
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>>160742781
Bite me.

But yes, it's just that there's so many things to do in Eve but each one can be boiled down to something incredibly simple.

Warp to site, shoot rats, repeat.

Probe site, warp to site, shoot rats, repeat.

Probe site, warp to site, hit orbit and activate modules, repeat.
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>>160742713
LIKE YOUR MOMS PUSSY EH M8

COO COO CACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

#THUGLIFE
#NOSCOPED
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>>160742016
There are a different way to support a fleet, don't just fall pigeonholed into the tackle frigate meme, take a look at this fit, it either helps your logi stay protected from ewar or helps a group of gatecampers with high scan resolution.
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>every corp ticker name is taken
These faggots should have known better, they copied UO enough that they should have remembered that the 3 limit ABBRV. was too damn restrictive. 5 Is barely any better.
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Someone save me from this autism
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>>160744509
"no"
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So what are the odds on getting bubbled and killed as a ninja huffer in wormholes?
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>>160744964
What does huffing gas do?
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>>160744509
mini skill injectors?
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>>160745050
Get high maaannnnn

>>160744964
Don't know about bubbling. More likely to be warp scrammed.

Just sit in the middle of the gas cloud and it'll decloak everything that tries to come at you.
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>>160745136

See

>>160716248

That was 6 hours of straight up autismo running the tutorial 12 times, not sure if I have the will to go further.
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>>160744964
If you're attentive, catching you is close to impossible.

When we find a venture mining, we basically treat is as AFK because killing it is otherwise impossible. Ventures align too fast and they can sit in a giant decloaking cloud.
>>
oneiros
>>
Is it reasonable to try to pop people in nullsec with a thrasher as an alpha? 7 280mm guns seem like they'd do quite a bit to any frigates, but I don't know how big of a difference t2 modules make.
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>tfw redeeming plex for aur to get all dem cheapo skins
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>>160745237
When do you get the mini skill injector exactly?
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>>160747628
after you finish 2/3 of the tutorial you redeem it from redeem items tab
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Anyone have links to the most recent un-fuck your overview pack?
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>>160747913
... what tutorial?! Opportunities? Career agents? I never saw anything else tutorial-like besides those. Done them both and theres nothing else to redeem.
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>wanted to try how inventions work for t2
>chance based

this is just another Mystic Forge isnt it? I cant understand manufacturing, but how the fuck are you going to make dosh with RNG system?
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>>160748414
When you create a new character you dummy
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>>160748637
It is a new character, i only started playing a couple of days ago
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>>160748738
If you just started 2 days ago you would have gone through the missions, don't even think you can leave the starting area without doing them.

Also Oppourtunies was a pre F2P tutorial, so you likely are not telling the exact truth
>>
>>160748814
Is it because its an old trial account from years ago? And what would be the point in me lying about something like this?
>>
>>160748976
START A NEW CHARACTER
SEE THE PEOPLE TALKING TO YOU?
THATS THE TUTORIAL
FOLLOW IT UNTIL THEY TELL YOU TO REDEEM YOUR NEW SKILL INJECTOR
THEN CONTRACT IT TO WHATEVER CHARACTER YOU WANT
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>>160749141
Autism speaks
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>>160749304
You're suck a fucking faggot.
>DUDE HELP ME IM A LITERAL BABY THAT CANT THINK FOR MYSELF

>DUDE YOU HAVE AUTISM XD

Kill yourself.
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>>160749141
>START A NEW CHARACTER
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>>160748353
SaraShawa Overview ingame channel
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>>160749379
That's not a new character, thats a newb character, but not a new one.
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>>160749446
I literally just made that character, how is it not new? what constitutes new character in your eyes?
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>>160749508
I just tested it on my old account.
Yeah you can only get the tutorial on newb accounts

Create a new one.

>INB4 THANKS ALOT FAGGOT

kek
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>>160749573
Um... thanks alot

I was nothing but civil and
>>160749304
Wasnt me
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>>160749648
Also you can get a 250k skill injector if you use a referal link from an alt account, that injector only works for that account though, so only do it if you're going to even use that account for a character
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Okay guys, I've got an old character that I'm not really doing anything with, pic related.

I wanna get rid of him really because he's a mess and I'd rather just have 1 or 2 characters maximum. The question is, how can I make the most from him with the least amount of effort?

I'm thinking I can strip him in game with skill extractors, 50m SP - 5.5 minimum exp = 44.5m SP that's extractable = 89 extractors.

If I buy skill extractors at 266 mil, that's 23.7bn, selling injectors at 599 mil, that's 53.3 bn, overall getting 29.6 bn before taxes and other exciting things.

Is this a terrible idea? The appraiser says he's worth 34.8 bn but I don't feel confident selling him on the bazaar as his skills are kind of sloppy (half assed all the way to cap ships etc.), and will cost 2.4 bn for the character sale charge, so by my estimations both situations pay more or less the same.

What do?
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what kind of planets should i colonize ? also does it need to be in low/null sec ? because every time i tried going there i died
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>>160672935
join pupper, I'm seriously having a great time over there
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>>160749806
Get yo rich ass outta heeya biitch
and gib me some of dats
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>>160749850
>what kind of planets should i colonize ?
Depends on the system you are doing PI in.

>also does it need to be in low/null sec ?
Low is barely adequate, null and wormhole space is where you should be doing PI.

The real answer is wherever it is that you live. Keep all your planets in one system.
Also, you should probably live in a wormhole system, or a null system if you're a baby.

>because every time i tried going there i died
Join a corporation
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>>160681012
>hyper capitalism
>Nazi Germany
u what
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>>160751843
>tfw capeshit invades your mmo
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>>160749850
Plasma for Enriched Uranium and Storm for Coolant. Lava (for Miniature Electronics) used to be pretty good, but I haven't checked the prices lately.
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>just fit briefcase and repper
>1k+ omni tank in bastion mode
wew
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what does it mean when someone posts an image of a dog?
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how do i have fun while making isk?
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It's a meme ya dip
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Daily reminder that the moros is the worst dread and the nag is better than the moros in every field of the world
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>what does it mean when someone posts an image of a dog?
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>every field of the word

does this make sense
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>>160752802
oh, it's part where you're supposed to laugh?
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>being this woof
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Are there any mercenary corporations in eve? If not, how would you go about making one?
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>>160753191
>Are there any mercenary corporations in eve?

Yes.
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>>160753191
it's not really a thing, because people pvp for free
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>>160753191
>Are there any mercenary corporations in eve?
Technically, yes

They camp trade hubs in highsec all day. You pay them, they wardeck a corporation of your choosing and then maybe they shoot them up when the wardecked corp member goes out to buy something.
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>>160753191
Mercenary work is shite
It's mostly POS bashing
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>tfw every pvp video is now unwatchable because the command bursts are visual bloat
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>needing prowler
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whats fun to do in this game?
do you pick careers or just jump between things?
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>fun
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>>160753750
>get dec'd by Marmite because we kicked a shitter from our WH corp
>we're a WH corp so it doesn't really matter
>get bored one day
>send a scout out to see if they've got people camping the nearest trade hub
>two Cynas and a Bhaal on the Amarr undock
>bait them with a Mega
>drop 20bn worth of pirate BS on their heads as soon as they aggress
>murder the Bhaal and one of the Cynas
>camp the undock for a few hours
>no one comes to contest us

Merc corps a shit
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>>160754881
damn son
corp ?
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>>160754786
I get all of my fun from PvP and making fits
You might enjoy the PvE aspects idk

Most people play EVE for the PvP
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>mercs
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>>160754881
That happens every time someone fights back
Highsec PvPers are truly the scum of EVE
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Plz donate 200 mil isk for my first battleship :c

Trump needs in that donate. And only together we make eve great again :3
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>>160755146
New people should never fly battleships
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>>160755146
sent ;)
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>haha le trump memay xdd
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>>160755219
i have all skils for battleship (dominix for pve missions).
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>>160755146
Political discussion is bannable anon.
RIP. Just reported you
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Marauders invading our sov is a huge issue. What if we could build walls in space?
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>>160755252
nnnope :c

>>160755348
Why? Its only joke
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>>160755405
>Why?

Because We are #eternallywithher.

Vile Rat was a scourge upon our community, and hillary clinton let him be tortured and killed, she is the best!
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Is there a way to rip the login background from the cache? Or is there a site that has them for DL?
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>>160755876
https://www.google.com/search?q=EVE+online+HD+backgrounds&biw=1280&bih=888&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivmOjRkLrQAhXIPiYKHeYfDxIQ_AUIBigB
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>>160755071
Highsec "pvpers" are probably the worst players in the game, both in terms of individual skill and what they actually contribute to the overall game.
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>all old garbo
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>>160755876
>>160756195

Here you go senpai
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never forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQ09N3I1tU
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>>160754786
Whatever you want desu.

Pick something that looks fun, for example WH PvP, train towards that, get some cloaking and scanning and general combat skills, then go looking for a WH corp that doesn't look retarded, join them and follow your dreams. Everything from mining and production to null blob warfare and lowsec smallgang can be done at an entry level after a few days to a couple weeks training so long as you join a good corp.
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>>160756413
How does one "live" in a wormhole?
Does that mean you place a docking station there?
Can't those be easily blown up?
Does all your item hanger stuff get deleted with it?
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>>160756413
I shall fly with the winds then
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How does a directional antenna, which can't point in all directions, make sense in space? It's not even pointing at anything.
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>>160756462
>How does one "live" in a wormhole?

Dangerously.

>Does that mean you place a docking station there?

Either that or you live out of a POS.

>Can't those be easily blown up?

No not really, sieging in Wspace is more difficult, especially in lower class WHs, as the holes have mass limits, so you can't just jump massive cap fleet in, and most WH residents will have caps in their home for site running.

>Does all your item hanger stuff get deleted with it?

Yeah.
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>>160756462
You throw up a POS or a Citadel and live out of it.

Don't piss people off to bad and you probably won't get bashed.
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>>160756632
How come when I disable my microwarpdrive (MWD) my intertia slows down?
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>intertia slows down
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>>160756876
>>160756860
Thank you!
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>>160756982
Because you're in a submarine, not a spaceship

WAKE UP SHEEPLE SPACE ISN'T REAL
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>>160756982
EVE UNIVERSE IS BASED ON 1800 SCIENCE WHERE SCIENTISTS THOUGHT THAT THE UNIVERSE IS FILLED WITH AETHER AND NOT A VOID.
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How does one become an effective pirate? Is it possible to work solo or should bring others?
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Really makes u think of what they are teaching to kids in Icelandic schools (if they even have them).
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>>160757318
What is this in response to?
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>>160757267
Watch the art of poor videos from honorable third party.
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>>160757267
I feel like these videos are sort of relevant, and an easy way to explain to shitters why they're retarded to grind money and see pvp as a way to spend money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kh6L4bmy24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-EtIPCfSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qM6ytTHBZI
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>>160757318
>Really makes u think of what they are teaching to kids in Icelandic schools (if they even have them).

They teach them about elves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulduf%C3%B3lk

>Other incidents[edit]
In 1982, 150 Icelanders went to the NATO base in Keflavík to look for "elves who might be endangered by American Phantom jets and AWACS reconnaissance planes."[71] In 2004, Alcoa had to have a government expert certify that their chosen building site was free of archaeological sites, including ones related to huldufólk folklore, before they could build an aluminium smelter in Iceland.[72][73] In 2011, elves/huldufólk were believed by some to be responsible for an incident in Bolungarvík where rocks rained down on residential streets.[74][75][76]
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>let me show you in these staged videos how 2b orthrii fly right under my hard counter
>haha le sustain peevp xdd
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>>160756632
the thing sweeps 360^2 doofus
>>160756982
micro WARP DRIVE
you aren't moving, space around you is
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>>160757540
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Elf_School

Wtfa lmao
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Which alpha race should I make if I want to join Tengoo or Love Squad. Is Minmatar still a good choice?
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>>160757728
Amarr
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>>160757728
the best race is the one you like the most. picking caldari or gallente because someone told you they're the best means you're a shitter
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>>160728092

A couple years ago I started out just using wormholes as highways out to nullsec. I'd find a route, go run data and relic sites, then use the wormholes back to highsec to sell shit.
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>>160757472
>I feel like these videos are sort of relevant, and an easy way to explain to shitters why they're retarded to grind money and see pvp as a way to spend money

Except that's exactly what it is, you're not going out there as a complete newbie in your tech 1 frigate with tech 1 modules and bringing home a profit.
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>>160757728
>Tengoo or Love Squad.
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>>160758418
not solo you aren't
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did anything come of that big fucking war where everyone was shitting on the big retard faction and everyone was funded by those gamblers
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>>160758580
yeah goons moved from deklein to delve
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>>160758580
They won and then ceased existing
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Are my boys in RvB still going? If not, where do you get that undock and find a fight 2 minutes later service these days?
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>>160758660
Officially RvB is dead, but a lot of people still fly with them
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Newfag here, been playing for about a week now nad have intentionally avoided this board becasue I know how obnoxious it is to have oblivious beginners infest your board. Nevertheless, I'm writing this faggity ass blog post now becuase I FUCKING LOVE playing EVE. Haven't had this fun with gaming for years. Oh god the possibilites are endless.

I've gotten into exploring, cruising around Low Sec with my <1 mil ISK Anal (Probe) getting absolutely annihilated. A couple days ago I had about 5 mil worth of loot (same as what I had in my wallet) and got ambushed at a data site because I didn't know how the directional scanner worked. This morning I had about 10 mil worth of stuff and got blown to pieces by a gate camper on my way to Jita. A couple of hours ago, finally, I made it back with the loot, 17 million mohter fucking ISK right in the bank. Felt so good man.

Blog post over, liking ur game fellas
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>>160759469
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>>160759469
nice m8
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>>160759469
keep at it senpai
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Somebody get me a cap character.

50% of profits until repayed or we stop talking.
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>>160759469
o7 explo-bro.
Use your tools. Opening the map and having it show you ships or pods destroyed in the last hour can help you plan a route around gate camps. As soon as you can fly covops ships, get one, autolink DSS-EV and move out to Stain. You can never be forbidden access to npc nullsec stations and stain has nice armor plates that get decent isk as the exploration 'rare' drop for the region. All you have to understand is that, while you can't mwd while cloaked, you can cycle your mwd and then immediately cloak to get one cycle of speed off and coast out of bubbles. Learn this and you'll never get caught.
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There's a cloak warp trick as well if Omega.
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>>160759852
You should cloak before you mwd, because you can still activate modules that do not require a target for a few seconds after cloaking. You don't want your cloak to activate on the tick after your mwd does and be sitting there uncloaked with a bloomed sig for a whole second.
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>>160757472
I pvp with mostly t1 frig fits to save isk, lots of people use t2 but the difference isn't that much but I can sell their drop at the closest station and get back 3-4 mil which covers my fit
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Do system cores get boosted by those things that buff viruses why they are undetected still? or at all?

It it best to just take your chances and kill the buffer even if you take a huge loss?
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>>160760305
You should ignore anything that is not a restoration node or a virus suppressor unless you have to get rid of them. Defense systems need to be revealed before they become active.
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Is there any benefit to run relic/data sites with a buddy?

I made 41m isk doing just one wormhole system. Would be fun to have someone to kill the boredom with.
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>>160760305
only detected things get buffed, and I'm not sure if the final node thing gets buffed by it at all. virus suppressors are the most triggering thing imo
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>>160760126
Even better. Does this work with the non-covops cloak mwd trick too, that gets you aligned and to speed?
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>>160760394
no. 90% of the time is probing, and you can't efficiently probe the same systems. best would be to just cooperate on where to go so you don't end up probing the same systems
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>>160760394
>Would be fun to have someone to kill the boredom with
That. That's the benefit. Even mining or missions can become bearable with people to shoot the shit with. Going on dangerous adventures with friends is better than doing it alone. And I guess you can have a prospector/covops team and not ignore gas sites if you want a concrete benefit.
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>>160760472
Yeah I figured.

Any one have suggestions on what myself and a buddy can do?
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>>160760408
It does but you will probably need a tech 2 cloak.
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>>160760126
fairly sure this entire post is a meme

>>160760520
>gas sites

this is tricky. in wh space 80% of the gas sites in c5/6 are trash, and 100% of them are trash in all other classes. in kspace, half of space doesn't even have gas sites, and in the space that does, maybe 1/3 of them are hacking sites with rats in them so you need an astero, and maybe another 1/3 of them are mykoserocin, i.e. trash. I guess it could work, but as the covops guy I wouldn't expect the gas guy to contribute a lot. probably best to just go out in covops/asteros and not ignore gas sites, just note down the cytoserocin/core wh ones and come back for them
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>>160760609
I think that was what made it work. it's been so long since I played and so long before that I didn't just have a covops but there was something about that cloak and the nature of acceleration and warping that made it work, like how much the cloak slows you down meant when it fell off you were still going 75% of max speed for a sec.
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>>160760362
>>160760397
Thanks
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>>160760795
Yeah, pretty much. The other cloak slows you down too much, you won't hit align speed before your mwd cycle ends.
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How long does it usually take for zkillboard to update? I killed someone over 24h ago and the KM still isn't showing up on my page.
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puppers say hi
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>>160761965
You did properly set up your API codes right?
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>>160760520
Yeah watching paint dry is much more bearable with a friend. Of course you won't have many friends if you keep inviting them to waste their lives mining in a fucking MMO.
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>>160762037
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>>160762037
You make friends that are willing to mine with others, you silly Billy.
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>>160762002
I have other kills/deaths that are listed there even though I haven't set up an API so I wasn't aware that was required for zkillboard to work properly, thanks.
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>>160762308
It has to scan the database without?
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>>160748610
>but how the fuck are you going to make dosh with RNG system?
When you scale up production, you tend to approach the statistical average.
Just treat the failures as an essential business expense.
Plus, you win the RNG like 49.6% of the time once all relevant skills are maxed.

A few other points of note:
Always* invent off max run BPCs
*Ships should be from single run
Don't bother improve the BPOs
POS POS POS POS POS POS
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>tfw lost my astero

Hold me, please
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>>160762649
To what?
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the tutorial seems to have some dumb suicide mission in it that forces you to blow up your Rifter

is it possible to use the noob ship instead and get that blown up?

I mean, surely CCP have thought about that, right?
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what corp should an aspiring gallente pilot join

swarms sound poor as fuck, but a null gang sounds fun

pupper sounds alright but i think they only provide minmatar ships, and i don't know how i feel about giving up 500k sp in gallente ships/weapons and starting over
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>>160763063
For missions, they show a ship requirement and you can base off of that, not sure for tutorial
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>>160763063
Just insure your ship.
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>oh, it's part where you're supposed to laugh?
It's a meme ya dip
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>>160762649
Awe, cute. *pat pat* it'll be okay, they aren't that expensive in the long run.
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>>160763063
Insure it, nigga.
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>>160763189
You'll be training skills from all sorts of races eventually. Also, 500k is nothing. Join Pupper.
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>>160763208
>>160763431
seems reasonable

>mfw tutorial doesn't teach you that
thanks CCP
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>>160763063
You can use any ship you want to use and you get insurance back
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Is there any way to hide your corp ticker from other players in overview (not cosmestically for just yourself)?
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>>160763953
no
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>>160763714
doesn't that mean if i ever go alpha though, then I can't use non-racial ships?
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>>160764003
If you let your sub lapse then, yes, you will be restricted to your race's alpha ships.
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>>160763714
>Join Pupper.
>join a /vg/ corp/guild/whatever

LOLNO
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>>160763953
No, the Corp ticker is one of the primary ways you are identified. You cannot hide it from others without leaving your corp.
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>>160763985
>>160764306

Damn, thank you for replying.
Corp ticker looks so ugly next to my name. Hate it. Oh well. I guess I'll just enjoy 11% taxes
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>>160764168
this is the problem i wanted to avoid

i don't know if i want to sub for every month in the near future.
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>>160764386
>I guess I'll just enjoy 11% taxes
lol. I have my own corp and I've set the taxes at 2%(which I use to help new players)
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>>160764673
Yeah I made a corp for myself to have 0% taxes, but the CORP [XT1HG] type tag next to name bothers my autism
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>>160764539
Farm Mini Skill Injectors on a new character.
Even without the exploit, that'll bring you to ~800,000 SP
Plus 250,000 SP, if you made a new account to recollect the referral.
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>>160667754
If I self-destruct a pod to head to take over my medical clone, would that destroy a Prototype Cerebral Accelerator?
The in-game text says jumping or self-destructing would destroy all implants and boosters, but forum posts say PCA is an exception.
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>PERUNGA
>>
[Tristan, stuff]
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Warp Scrambler II

125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


is this a good fit for pvp?
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>is this good for pvp
>starts with full t2 fit
why don't you use t2 rigs then as well mr moneybags?
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>>160732973
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>>160765512
>short hair
D R O P P E D
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>>160764823
Just take the corp ticker off your overview? or change your labels? If you want I can send you an overview config
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>>160764858
But then I'm just playing a new character and abandoning my current one. Wouldn't it be easier to find a gang that flies gallente?
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>>160764894
>but forum posts say PCA is an exception.
GMs kept getting spammed with petitions to reimburse those, since they're a newbie item.
Rather than keep dealing with that crap, CCP made them unloseable.

As long as you aren't using a jump clone, you're fine.
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>>160765121
looks fine for lowsec. I'd swap the rigs for hull rigs
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>>160765696
Yes, if flying Gallente is your preference.
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>>160763226
What did he mean by this?
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>>160766479
Memes are distilled, fermented, overdone jokes. Effort goes into removing every trace of comedy.
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>>160766842
That's what she said!
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>>160766842
Memes are the modern equivalent of the secret handshake. It's a simple way to see who is in the same club as you.
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>>160765121
Garbage fit, you need more tank to work at the scram kite level
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>>160767263
don't post if you're retarded
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>she doesn't own a Thukker Vargur
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>warp drive
>active
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>flying around in cata because it's cheap fun lowsec pvp
>everyone thinks im gonna suicide gank them
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>>160765512
why does it look like its got a mouth full of sperm and is trying to decide whether to spit or swallow
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>>160767765
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I feel like a huge fucking newfag for asking this... But can you fly ships from a different race? For example can I, an Amarr, fly a Gallente ship?
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>>160767848
if you aren't an alpha then yes
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>>160767913
Fuck...
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>>160767528
>he owns a vargur when paladins are better in every way
ishiggyity
>>
>wake up
>pull orca in to belt
>disperse drones
>fuck fwb while checking over shoulder for drones

What a life
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>>160768067
Amarr ships are nigh unplayable as an alpha.
You can't train skills the ships are reliant on.

The other three races are all fine for alpha.
Close enough to balanced that you can go by preference.
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>Amarr ships are nigh unplayable as an alpha.

when will this meme end
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>>160769932
While "nigh unplayable" might be a bit of a stretch you have to admit only being able to take your capacitor support skills/controlled bursts/etc. to 3/4 does affect Amarr far more heavily than other races.
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When the Amarr T1 Destroyers and Cruisers get completely rebalanced.
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>>160770203
not really, why would it?

>fly punisher with shit skills
>have bad cap

>fly incursus with shit skills
>have bad dps

yes, they're different. it's not worse though
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Come back with numbers.
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>>160769151
>paladin good at anything that matters
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>>160765512
>that
>qt

Fucking hell anon seriously
>>
>>160770289
Punishers have a capacitor capacity of 400 GJ and a recharge time of 160s, Incursuses have a capacitor capacity of 370 GJ and a recharge time of 185s. Despite this small difference in capacitor lasers have a far higher activation cost than hybrid turrets, oftentimes 2-3x as much.
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>>160770641
Check out the thorax vs omen

The omen has like 30 extra gj or something stupidly small over the thorax and the Omens bonuses almost cancel each other out it's a big shit show with how much cap lasers do even with a huge cap reduction bonus
>>
>amarr ships have the same cap regen as gallente is a but amarr ships demand so much more capacitor

Thanks for it for this "balance"
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>>160771058
Same with the harbinger and brutix and Megatron vs abaddon
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>>160771246
That's not really even their biggest problem. It's just their slot layouts are such terrible trash because

>3 mids

make you so useless without a gang.
>>
>>160771472
This is why people hitched that the punisher needed a 3rd mid and the coerced and Dragoon did too. The fact that they can't web or use a case booster is a huge disadvantage. But fuzzy won't fucking listen to anyone and they do stupid shit like give the punisher a 4th gun and give it a 5th low and it's still shit
>>
>>160771760
Hey at least 10mn AC Punsihers are a thing now.
>>
Why is there no ancillary cap neut?
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>>160767765
>>160770469
Newbro alert.
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>>160772259
>Battery goes in
>Cap goes out
You can't explain that.
>>
>made account 7 years ago
>playing off and on since then
>name has numbers in it
>no way to change

Fuck I'm theonly person I ever see with goddamn numbers in my name it's such a stupid fucking name fuck
>>
>>160772489
lots of people use numbers in their names
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>>160772489
>>160772721
The greatest Eve player on Earth, James 315, the Savior of High Sec, has numbers in his name.
>>
>>160773178
who the fuck is that guy? i was cruising around in high sec and a bunch of people with bounties warped in and started killing everyone. they let some people live and then wouldnt shut the fuck up in chat about how james 315 was allowing us to live and that we owe our lives to him and shit.
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>>160765619
Ayy.
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>>160773447
The CODE alliance. They're basically just a group of RPing suicide gankers. They mostly go after easy targets such as autopiloting haulers or untanked miners.
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>>160773619
that sounds mildly autistic
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>>160772489
>made account 7 years ago
>playing off and on since then
>name has numbers in it
>no way to change

I know exactly how you feel anon. I made my main character 6+ years ago and played on an off, he's got ~38 million SP, but I've come to hate him to the point where I don't even want to play him anymore.

Luckily now though, we have skill extractors and injectors. So I'm grinding 17 bil running incursions with TVP to buy enough skill extractors to completely empty him and jump my new character up to ~30 million SP.

Follow your dreams.
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>>160772489

There's this edgy faggot in my alliance who literally has xX and Xx before and after his name.
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>>160774221
xXxL0RD0FD34TH420xXx [6969]
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>>160774284

His name's not that edgy but his personality sure is.
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>>160773873
It's fucking hilarious to collect the victims tears from the ganks
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>>160773873

It's autistic. Literally no one likes CODE. They're obnoxious faggot niggers.
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>>160774425
>he thinks there is tears and not cringe

I literally watched a CODE faggot gank an afk miner while i was mining for mission ore

Warped out and came back and expected him to come, he did, he suicide killed me, sent me a long ass automated message about how this is CODE territory and I need to pay 10 mil etc etc

I wasn't mad, I cringed at how lame it was.
You think Im mad I lost a 200k venture nigger?
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>>160774605
cool blog how do I subscrube
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>>160774715
He's right though, CODE are pathetic.
>>
>he doesn't follow the code
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>CODE
Remember, if any of those carebears talk shit to you, just send them this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNVODEs2nCY

Never Forget.
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>>160775027
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>>160771058
>they cancel each other out

>>what is dps
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>>160775431
He meant in terms of cap use.
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post waifus
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>>160775548
damage mods increase your cap usage too, so does overheating long range guns. is he going to have a big moan about that too
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>>160775694
No you faggot read it again

The thorax gets the same cap regen as the omen and the Omens guns use way more cap, the Omens bonuses nearly cancel each other out it's a fucking shit show of balance
>>
>-50% cap usage
>+33% cap usage
>cancel each other out

>pyfa in charge of simple multiplication
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>>160777129

66 +50% = 100
100 -33% = 66
>>
>66% cap instead of 50% cap
>literally complaining about nothing
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>>160777129
Youre an idiot

Heavy neutron blasters on a thorax, nothing else gets you - 4.2gj/s and you're cap stable at 81%

Heavu pulse lasers on an omen gets you - 8.8gj/s cap stable at 56%

The thorax is consuming less than half as much cap as the omen and they have the same cap regen

There's a reason no one uses the omen for anything when it's fucking shit
>>
ships have other attributes than cap usage you retard
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>>160777592
Nice shifting the goal posts

With the lack of mids and shit cap with high usage on guns there's a reason why no one fucking uses this piece of shit

Crutch meme bonuses that suck ass on every ship its used on the omen doesn't even get 2 real bonuses like the thorax does

Ccp should move the cap bonus to a role bonus then give the omen a real bonus like tracking or damage or anything else
>>
>>160777502
lasers have better range
>>
>Nice shifting the goal posts

but you literally just said the ship is worse than the other ship because its guns use more cap

>Crutch meme bonuses

laughing_punishers.jpg
>>
Are there any decent amarr ships that are used a lot? I'm new and amarr look cool
>>
>>160777938
Who fucking cares no one uses the omen because it's shit just like no one uses the stabber because it's shit
>>
>>160778094
Pulse Omen is great. Just because everything's Caracals ...
>>
>>160778040
Not really. People use amarr tech 2 ships a lot because that's only where they actually become good

Legions confessor curse, omen navy issue is good because it's so fast, pilgrim,

If you seriously want to use amarr ships stay the fuck away from lasers until you have max cap skills and controlled burst to 5
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>>160778040
Amaar, more like NIGGAAR
AMIRITE COMRADES?
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>>160778040
>decent amarr ships
>amarr look cool
lol
>>
>>160778175
Pulse omen is shit because no fitting no cap nothing. The 3 mids prevents it from running any web because you need a cap booster no matter how you try and use it

You can't brawl with it because the Maller will best its ass any day of the week
>>
>>160778040
none of their accessible ships are used by meme pvpers, but plenty of their stuff is real good. they just don't see a lot of use in pleb fleets run by baddies
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>>160778040
Amarr has some of the best ships and some useless ships.

Pontifex, Deacon, Guardian, Devoter, Curse, Confessor, Paladin, Armageddon and a few more are top of their class.

But their t1 selection is middling overall and they require better skills than any other faction.
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>amarr ships
>literally 2-3 alphas jump on you with neuts and orbit at 500
>can't do shit and die
>>
>>160778482
implying those ships are 'top of their class' except the guardian and devoter

requiring better skills is a shit meme you made up
>>
>>160721865
>tfw stuck with T1 amarr ships as an alpha clone

jesus christ ccp buff this crap or just get rid of it
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>tfw minmatar cruiser at V
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>>160778603
A single neut will cap out an abandon with lasers

The abandon and apoc are so shit at everything, no one uses them at all. Only the Armageddon is good and that's because it doesn't use lasers at all
>>
>>160778681
What's the best marauder, T3D, Command Destroyer and Frigate Logi then?
>>
>>160778681
Amarr definitely requires better skills in cap. To be even remotely usable like other race ships
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>>160732857
>minmatar
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>>160778913
Not him I'd argue the vargur was the best marauders, the svipul and confessor are tied

Best frig logi goes to deacon and kirin
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>picked amarr
>no sunglasses available
i dont want a gay hood
>>
>>160779085
Sunglasses are haram.
>>
>>160779085
Buy the Men's Mirelle glasses.
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>>160778913
there is no best. they do different things

this shit is stupid, why would you go around telling people that a guardian is better than a scimitar? I let you go with guardian and devoter because the oneiros and phobos is fucking terrible to the point where it's not situational at all and they're just garbage
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>>160779189
I like this game's character creation
>>
new player here just finished my tutorial career things and looking to do more agent missions
is this the way to go while I'm new and want to make some money or should I not bother unless I want the standing with a certain faction?
>>
>>160779306
Imagine her with no hair
>conehead.jpg
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>Try to buy/sell something in Jita
>Get undercut in less than 5 minutes
>>
>>160755760
Christ I saw the reddit post where everyone was gagging on goon dick because they kicked out the corp and CEO who actually fucking remembers what shillary did.

Liberals are a fucking cult man
>>
>>160779426
Do the first set of missions, they are more tutorial you need and they end up giving you lots of ships and stuff
>>
>>160779445
bots
don't bother
>>
>>160779426
The thing is, missions up until level 4 are useless, and if you start grinding level 4s you'll burn out and stop playing.
>>
>>160779427
I don't imagine her as an SJW
>>
>>160779550
yeah that's what I finished, the career set of missions, got a few ships now

>>160779568
hm I see, maybe I'll just grab a shitty ship and go exploring or w/e, don't know
probably also join some corporation and just ask ingame
>>
>>160779516
LINK PLEASE
>>
>>160779516
>Climate Change isn't real because the oil companies that own my politicians say it isn't
Come on, man. If you're going to argue against one side at least use an argument that doesn't apply equally to both.
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>>160779189
Igotchu
>>
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Found this on an old hard drive today. Broski shittest corp in EVE o7
>>
>>160756632
A directional antenna allows you to extend the range you can send a signal.

Think of it like this:
The energy used for your signal has to reach or exceed a certain threshold of energy:volume for your own sensors to receive it.
The energy of that signal is distributed through the volume of space that signal is sent to

If we assume 100 joules distributed evenly within a sphere and a cone, you will quickly find that the sphere, while unidirectional, does not reach nearly as far away as a cone for the same energy:volume ratio. Meanwhile the cone can only cover a tiny angular diameter of the overall sky.

Look up the inverse square law for more information.

This is partly why people freaking out about aliens detecting us because of our radio signals are retarded. At 100 light years we wouldn't be able to pick out Earth's radio signals from background noise. At a distance of a mere 1000 light years, even with something like a planetary magastructure dedicated to sifting through radio noise, you probably couldn't find earth.
>>
>>160779189
those aren't sunglasses you STUPID FUCK JESUS CHRIST HOW DUMB CAN YOU BE HOLY SHIT HOW CAN YOU EVEN PLAY EVE WITH A BRAIN THAT HAS THE PROCESSING POWER OF A POTATO CHIP
>>
>>160757061
That may actually be true though.

Physicists are starting to look back at aether theory to explain some of the things we're discovering now. Relativity is just like newtonian physics; it only explains so much.
>>
https://zkillboard.com/kill/57412902/
>>
>>160710374

>swedes
>black

HAHA IT'S LIKE THE CURRENT YEAR
>>
>>160759469
>tfw station trader who decided to get into exploration
>tfw exploration payout even in the best wormhole and nullsec systems was less than half what I could make from being a jew
>>
>>160780205
nigga I was talking about the in-game model
>>
>come back to game
>have character sheet open
>notice that skill points are static
>not going up in real time
Completely fucking ruined, CCP. You jerks suck.
>>
>>160710374
>>160780427
>haha mom im posting pol memes xdd
>>
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>>160779691
Yeah, you want to figure out what you want to do. Then, unless you're an autist or do missions, which is basically the same, you want to join some corp. Fly something cheap at first, if some faggot blows you up PM ("convo") him and start asking questions, he might give you some money back.
>>
>>160780347
what do you do after you lose this much ISK
do you kill yourself?
>>
>>160780442
its nice to mix it up anon
>>
What's a gud corp for an alpha faggot?
>>
>>160780347
>just realized you can see how much money you actually dropped

>only dropped 19million loot out of 80m when I died
phew that makes me feel somewhat better.
>>
>>160780723
Pandemic Horde
>>
>>160780786
Alright.
>>
>>160760305
system cores do not get healed by the healing virus node

the only virus that hinders you from killing system nodes are supressors that reduce your damage

>>160760394
yeah.

You could run sleeper relic/data sites if you have a buddy. One of you draws aggro, the other hacks.
>>
>>160780823
>You could run sleeper relic/data sites if you have a buddy. One of you draws aggros, the other hacks.

Damn, thats smart
>>
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>>160780347
>equivalent to over 1500 USD
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Didn't realize mining is serious business...
>>
>>160779306
It is REALLY bad at making waifus and I don't know why.

They need to update it or something
>>
>>160781009
>it's like crashing a shit car irl
>>
>>160780503

I posted it to troll and you responded so yeah maybe next time you'll learn but we all know liberals don't
>>
>merely pretending
>>
hey has the dough risen yet

or is pizza still laccos personal renter pen
>>
kevin make a new thread then kill yourself
>>
>>160781031
Look at what tards are paying for the new Extractor ones.
>>
>>160780075
>a
grammar
>>
>>160781584
what
>>
>>160779714
Can't find it anymore, it was a huge thread with over a hundred replies, but it looks like it's been scrubbed from reddit.

I've tried all the keywords to find it that I could think of and nothing is turning it up.

The thread appeared a day or two before the election IIRC. Definitely within a week before it, and had something like 200+ upvotes. Some Corp sent, I think, an alliance-wide mail telling them not to forget what hillary did to vilerat. Mittani kicked them out and some other guys stole 10b isk of stuff from them.
>>
>>160781031
It's not, but the removal of the old trial will seriously eat into bot mining profits.
Alpha clones are waaaaay worse for mining.
>>
>>160781642
grammar
>>
Do I need my high sp pilot to be an omega clone to suck his SP with extractors?
>>
>>160781705
Damn.

Welp, at least trump won, he has that going for him, which is nice.
>>
>>160781783
>a clear vision
There is nothing wrong with that
>>
>we
>reddit
>>
>>160781814
Alphas can use extractors.
>>
>>160781970
Upvoted.
>>
>>160782095
Thanks.
>>
Is there anyway to counter being warp disrupted by big gay dildo lovers?
>>
>>160782760
Warp Core Stabilizer modules
>>
>>160782864
thx
>>
>>160783000
Don't put those on a combat ship, show info on em to see why.
>>
>>160780347
jesus christ
>>
kevin
>>
>Jackdaw lost a mid

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>
>>160778970
>picked the nigger tribe
dunno what the fuck you were trying to prove here
>>
>>160783576
it's a buff you retard pls stop
>>
I am new, playing less than a week. my friend gave me a fit for Heron for exploring. three times in two days I have been murdered in wh for nothing...fit is less than 1mil of worth, didnt have and loot.

why do people act like dogs in this? what is the purpose of murder for no reason? for money or politics I do not mind. I do not even mind dying, so much as being interrupted in exploring. it is like i have to stop playing being someone else is bored and wants to wave dicks.
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>offer to teach someone how to explore WH
>don't tell him to bookmark the entrance
>leave him stranded
>>
>>160784643
>someone else is bored and wants to wave dicks.
that's it, anon
>>
>>160784643
>you have something
>you might have something
>you're scouting
>you might be scouting
>you're taking something they want
>you might take something they want
>you're encroaching on their territory
>you might encroach on their territory
hmmm
>>
>>160784643
>three times in two days I have been murdered in wh for nothing...fit is less than 1mil of worth, didnt have and loot.
>for nothing
>why do people act like dogs in this? what is the purpose of murder for no reason?
this is now wow.
>>
>>160784669
devil take your firstborn
>>
>>160784669
Kill yourself
>>
>>160784801
KB points.
>>
reply limit btw guys
>>
o7
>>
i'm gay btw guys
>>
>reply limit btw guys
fine fuck you
>>160785118
>>160785118
>>160785118
>>
>>160784643
>murder for nothing
If you don't want to be killed, either stop trespassing or get better at it.
>>
>>160779921

Global warmi- err, sorry we have to call it climate change now, is real, but the idea that it's man-made has no basis in reality. If you look at climate graphs that go back more than 50 or so years you'd see that climate is cyclical. That's why we were supposed to be scared of the global cooling boogeyman in the 60s/70s, then it became global warming (so scary!!!) and now it's just climate change because that's easier and no matter what the weather does we can blame it on the climate change boogeyman. Make sure to buy your carbon credits, goy. That carbon tax that adds 25% onto your energy bill every month? You're saving the planet! Don't you feel all warm and fuzzy?
>>
>>160787443
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

There's quite a lot of evidence in favour of climate change though. Much more than there is against it.
>>
>>160787443
Leave science to the scientists.
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