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Previously, on /bbg/: >>160465454

>Patch 1.09 Info
http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html

>Accessing the DLC
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
Note: If the eye isn't showing up, go to: Settings > Playstation Network/Account Management > Restore Licenses

>Co-Op & PvP
http://www.bloodbell.com/
Official PvP Chalice: hizzngr3 (Pthumeru Root)
/bbg/ Fight Club:
Pthumeru - n6rc9jh8
Loran - jjpkdcgd
Isz - 9v8qndas
(every Saturday 6pm EST, general rules:http://imgur.com/1RjNbF4)

>Resources Pastebin - Planners, Calculators, Spreadsheets, Stats Info, Where to go next in BB, Guide Scans & Wikis
http://pastebin.com/aNR8TXUr

>Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer & Speedrunning
http://pastebin.com/489M5NBv

>Media Pastebin - OSTs, Concept Art & Screenshots
http://pastebin.com/t8byCxfj

>Beasthood & Claws Info
http://pastebin.com/jnbs35ZX

>Wheel, Fight Club, Arc 101 & other Misc. Info
http://ssjnugget.imgur.com

>Bloodborne Damage Calculations and Formulas
http://pastebin.com/YnRRZPMp

>Google Document for all the above, but easier to read.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sItpr6PHpoEiFbtFIBtPO4UNeNEpxuztHteANTJRHDU/edit#heading=h.od90ylbez0rz
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First for how do I get PS4 screenshots onto my computer so I can share with you guys.
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>>160561306
With a USB pendrive.
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>>160561109
what the fug is this rabbit meme
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Best Covenant
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What are the active PvP areas/levels these days?
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>>160561487
It's just a cute buny
Most likely a reference to the moon rabbit from Japanese folklore
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>massive Attack on Kin Up gem found before Orphan of Kos
>Orphan of Kos is not considered a Kin

How much of a fucking asshole do you have to be to do this? Fuck you Miyazaki.
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REMINDER TO PURGE FILTH
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Frenzy, or How I Learned To Let Go Of Perception by Some Dead Hunter
My corpse Frenzied as well.
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>>160561602
good answer thanks

I HATE IT ANYWAY
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>>160561657
You have shit frenzy resist. Drop some insight and change to better clothes.
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>>160561306
Copy onto a USB or upload to throwaway Twitter
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clothes won't meaningfully help, runes and insight is all that matters
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>>160561736
I'm afraid I just can't do that. I had even more Insight until I spent some on chunks.
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>>160561612
You're late
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>>160561941
I was in coop at the time, I'm sorry.

POST WHEEL
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>>160561657
>58 insight
>choir garb
well of course your frenzy resist is trash
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wait... if you have a ot of insight your frenzy hits harder ? I got 180 hours into the game and I'm still learning
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>>160562410
yup
higher insight also slightly increases item discovery
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>>160562410
More Insight means lower Frenzy resistance, it doesn't influence the damage Frenzy does though. It's always 70% of your max HP.
Prolonged exposure to anything that induces Frenzy also causes rapid, continuous HP drain that stops when you break line of sight.
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>>160562410
Having insight lowers your fenzy resist so that you frenzy faster, and also lowers your beasthood so that you can't get benefits as large from BBP and shit.

You notice how whenever you drop some insight in the shop, your frenzy and beasthood meters pop up on screen? That's because it's making the bars larger and dropping whatever your old minimum was to the new minimum.
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>>160562030
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>tfw you forgot living strings on the first game so you gotta do an 8th playthrough to get the fucking plat
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>>160561895
Beak Mask and Djura gear have pretty good frenzy resistance, it's quite noticeable
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So I made Ludwigs Holy Blade.
What about it is actually good? My Saw Cleaver seems to out do it in like every way.
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>>160563353
better stagger
better crowd control
better range
on-demand thrust attacks
better damage when upgraded
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Anyone farming for gems or need co-op?

Im bored as hell and dont know whether to work on my ARC or BLT build.
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>>160563426
>better range
Saw Cleaver and Spear have better range.
It's invisible, but it's there.
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I'm home! At long last.
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Enter the Gungeon is fun.
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>>160563767
I'm grinding out physical radials in swjteujh right now, if you want to join for that.
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>>160563767
Wanna join me for the nightmare frontier?
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>>160564119
>physical radials
>grind
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>>160564119
Yeah, I need cold abyssals

Password?
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>>160564037
Tribute or ripoff?
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Frenzy is a terrible mechanic made worse by the fact that Sedatives don't work like they should by preventing Frenzy buildup for a short duration and the fact that it continues to build up even after breaking line of sight or killing the goddamn enemy.
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>>160564231
Tribute.

The game is full of shit like this

>STARS Beret with a "Master of Unlocking Joke"
>Judge Dredd's Gun
>NES Zapper that shoots light beams and homing pizel ducks
>Han Solo's Blaster

I'm sure there's more. I'm hoping they snuck Scarborough Fair from Bayonetta in.
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>>160563353
LHB really only has an advantage against medium-large enemies, which it can stagger in one hit. Brick trolls, church servants, etc.

Cleaver is better DPS vs. very large enemies (Cleric Beast and the like), not to mention is more flexible in attack timings. Some gaps in an enemy attacking that are too small for LHB to get a hit in, are small enough for a cleaver to get a hit in.

Vs. medium to small enemies (basic yharnamites, dogs, etc.) Cleaver is also better if you're gud because its speed lets it control groups a lot more easily.

With LHB, you have to be careful with how you swing at groups of enemies. It's really easy to swing at a group, miss one of them, and then eat shit because the LHB is too slow for you to do another R1 or dodge away before you get hit.

Cleaver, meanwhile, allows you to swap between targets really easily, and its L1 is a fast, on-demand area swing that can chain into a tricked R2 for more area coverage when you need it. LHB L1 attacks suck, so you don't have that same ability to easily switch between fast attacks and area attacks that make Saws so amazing for crowd control.
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>>160564180
Yes, I'd say killing the same boss over and over to get gems constitutes a grind.

>>160564229
No, not cold abyssals. These are temperings. If you're still on board, the pass will be bbgfat.
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>>160564379
Shit, I even found a Shotgun that was a clear reference to the movie "Looper"
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>>160563847
Tricked LHB also just has such a fucking stubby swing animation. Your character holds the blade so close to their body. It really doesn't have as much range as you'd expect it to have by looking at it.

The L2s actually have pretty good range, though.
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>>160564475
Watchers are barely a boss and Temperings are their primary drop. It should literally take you like half an hour if even to get a set of good Temperings.
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>>160564475
I might need a few temperings.

Anyways when I think of that glyph I think of abyssals.

Ill be coming asap
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>>160564475
Not him but I'll join. Want me ringing at the lamp?
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>>160563353

Saw Cleaver / Spear are insane weapons and can carry you through the entire game easily.

The main thing Ludwig has over them is the stagger. The 2H will stagger many larger enemies in one hit, while weapons like Bloodletter need two hits to stagger.

Also of course Ludwig is capable of reaching absurd damage per hit. So if you are playing extra cautious and only can afford to get 1 hit in before dashing out again, Ludwig can win in that regard too.

But as you can probably see in many speed runs, Cleaver/Spear are more than enough to mow down everything in PvE eaisly.
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>>160564574
This was really noticeable for me coming back to BB from DaS3, where I primarily used UGS. The tricked range is nowhere near what I felt it should be.
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>>160564454
Hmm yeah I'm liking Cleaver a lot more now.

>>160563847
Dude your Saw Cleaver looks so fucking cool. That is the Saw Cleaver right? Is that if you upgrade it fully?
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>>160564724
Actually, change of plan. Now's not a great time. Sorry lad
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>>160564809
Saw Spear.
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anyone for ng+ shadows of 'nam?
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>>160564809
That's the saw spear, you can get it in Central Yharnam by chopping a corpse down from some rafters. It's similar to the saw cleaver, but has a different transformed moveset, and scales more with Skill than Strength.
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Anybody got any advice on NG++ Micolash? He never gave me much trouble in NG and NG+, but I simply can't take a hit anymore. Auger takes 90% of my health and once he decides to call 1-800-BEYOND I'm finished. I'm completely forgotten how to avoid that attack. Not even the Loch Shield seems to help
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>>160564647
Just because it's an easy farm doesn't mean it isn't a farm. Besides, there's always the possibility one gets terribly unlucky and gets nothing but attack down and HP depletes- like what I've been getting.

>>160564686
Beckoning now, then. See you soon.
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>>160564952
Im up for it

Password?
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>>160565007
>>160564858
Oh cool, is the Cleaver better or the Spear, I love the designs of both weapons
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>>160565112
They're both insanely good, but the Saw Spear is Skill-leaning and, unlike the Cleaver, is serrated in both untricked and tricked forms, so it's a bit better.
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>>160565112
Actually nvm I will stick with the Saw Cleaver
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>>160565103
bbg

ringing in the stairs thanks

Ill do rom right after if you want
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>>160565061
>call 1-800-BEYOND
Kek, I'm stealing this.

Anyways, got any Arc investment? I found him a bit easier with Beast Roar on hand. You can also stun him with a gun if he casts ACB, and cancel it.
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>>160565061
Get in his face and stay there, and always be ready to interrupt his spells rather than exhausting your stamina bar. ACB can't hurt you if he can't cast it.
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>>160565201
I blanked out thinking you were someone else, ill be heading to burgertown now.
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>>160565201
hahahh didnt want to hold you up but it was you
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>>160565112
I've heard the Spear is more versatile, it's got the quick attack speed like the Cleaver untransformed, and better range transformed with a wider sweep and transformed R2 deals thrusting damage. They're both fantastic but there's pretty much no situation the Spear won't excel
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>>160565112
I think the spear has a slight edge, but it's not clear-cut. There are plenty of people here who will say the cleaver is better, I'm sure.

In any case, they're two of the strongest weapons in the game, for both PvE and PvP.

>>160565061
Stay close to him and play passive. When he goes for augur, you should be able to dodge on reaction so long as you aren't already in the middle of doing something, which is why you play passive. Problem: he will punch you, and that's hard to avoid on reaction. Fortunately, his fists don't do too much damage. If he's punching you a lot, just back up a bit, but not too far. There's a certain range where he likes to cast Augur. If you're getting low on health, only use a vial after dodging Augur. As long as you don't get too far away, he shouldn't use ACB, but if he does, immediately shoot or attack him. If you're close enough and can react quickly, you should interrupt him. This, btw, is why you stay close always. He'll spam ACB if you're far away, so DO NOT run away to heal.

Just stick inside Augur range, don't get punched too much (a little is fine) and only attack or heal after dodging an Augur.
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>>160565543
meant for >>160565541
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>>160565064
Shit, something came up man, sorry but I cant join now.

Have fun grinding though.
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>>160565260
>>160565479
>>160565563
Sounds good, thanks for the advice guys
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>>160565541
thanks m8

quite the look you got
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>>160565993
You need any more help?
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>>160566073
well im rushing until i can get the living strings

ill be at one reborn in a minute

same pass next to fog gate ?
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>>160566249
Ill be waiting
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>>160566328
micolash? 1 min
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>>160566590
Omw
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>>160566636
i died on the way there

1 more min lol
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>>160566636
damn sorry looks like i had one too many beer
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>>160567182
Lol, dont worry it happens, I fucking hate this boss on NG+
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How good is the Ludwig Rifle with the Saw Cleaver?
Oh yeah also I fortified my Saw Cleaver to +6, now I need Chunks and don't know where to get those yet.
Gonna fortify Saw Spear soon too.
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>>160567224
Thanks for the run m8 have a meme
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>>160567592
No prob, it was fun
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>>160567484
ludwig's rifle is just a longer range blunderbuss

you can find chunks in Cainhurst castle, post-Rom yahargul, and mensis
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If we were to make pseudo School of Mensis and Choir covenants, could we use the Vileblood and Executioner oaths in practice?
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Woohoo! Finally beat Vicar Amelia!
It was really easy after fortifying my Saw Cleaver to +6. Shame I couldn't keep the streak of not dying to bosses.
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>>160567484
Ludwig's Rifle is pretty bad.
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>>160568125
What would their benefits be? Oath runes don't seem to do much in that regard. Choir rune gives a small boost to Arcane damage maybe? What would Mensis rune give?
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>>160568461
Awooo gesture
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Moonman, if you could be part of my plat it'd be real cool, Just opened a Great Pthu Lyll chalice don't know if you can join on a whim
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>>160568594
Omw
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>Farming for 27%'s
>Gone for like 12 runs now
>It's all been unusable garbage
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>>160568951
>12 runs
that's what, an hour?

suck it up
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>>160569095
It's just never taken this fucking long to drop anything even remotely usable is all.
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>>160568854
hes down m8

layer 2 ?
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>>160569384
Coming, cant believe I tried to heal in front of him
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>>160569449
hehe we all have the right to derp
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>>160568951
this anon has never had to farm for arc gems
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>>160569486
Suicided to get the lever
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>>160569449
ill be ringing next to layer 2 boss m8
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>>160569767
Oh shit, i apprently invaded
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>>160569505
You were saying?
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>>160569890
i shat my Wine Hakama hahah
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>>160569939
Sorry about it taking so long, I took off my rune.
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>>160570391
Its all good my man, having a good time
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>>160570391
holy shit my man

thanks a bunch

I shall drink my next one in the name of Moonman! picture incoming
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>>160571164
My pleasure, it was fun
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>>160571226
picture sucks but you know it captures whats important

have a good one I'm off to another game for at least a month
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Just bought bloodbourne does it matter what origin I pick? Any tips? I read I should grab a badge in an elevator for a weapon later
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>>160571557
You shouldn't worry about this stuff on your first playthrough

Have fun and dare to make more agressive moves than you would in other ''souls games''
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>>160571557
>does it matter what origin I pick?
Not in your first playthrough
>Any tips?
Upgrading your weapon takes priority over everything. Always do it first. Also leave /bbg/ until you finish the game because this is Spoilers: The General.
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>>160571557
Just play the game anon. Origin matters for min/maxing your build, but your first characters stats are going to be a trainwreck unless you follow a guide to the letter. It happens to everyone.

Get out of here and enjoy a blind playthrough, no guides, no advice.
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>>160571726
>Get out of here and enjoy a blind playthrough, no guides, no advice.
This meme is old
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>>160571841
>meme
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>>160571841
fucking 90's kids and their online guides
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post bloodborne music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EctgGuD623I
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>>160571645
>not using a wiki on your first playthrough to ensure you get all the missables

I hate missing out on shit too much to be able to "have fun" my first playthrough, and there's too much hidden shit that requires more than the standard human amount of exploration and inquisitiveness to find out.
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>>160572194
If you really like video games, anon, you will wish you missed enough stuff to play at least 2 other playtrhoughs.

Trust me, just had my platinum.
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>>160572194
I didn't miss shit my first run outside of reviving the queen, which doesn't do anything anyway. I think you might be retarded.

The game takes like 3 or 4 hours to run through when you know the way. Follow a guide on your second playthrough and just blitz what you know.
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>>160572194
are you me?

this desu senpai

still going through first playthrough, im at nurse and ive got the things for secret ending

currently trying to go kill queen arham or whatever for dat gold then tryna get all weapons for achievement then doing DLC then going back for final bosses

then ill have two more playthrough to get both regular endings and get plat
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>>160572284
Accidentally progressing the moon phases by killing story bosses cuts off so many missables that it's infuriating.
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>>160572194
>Tumblr_idc

holy shit I wish this was bait
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>>160572318
>secret ending
it's not a fucking secret ending its actually the most obvious thing in the world to do.

the only confusion possible would be on whether or not to use the cords or to have them in your inventory
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>>160572357
Not really? Transitioning to night doesn't change shit, and transitioning to the Blood Moon cuts you off from finishing Eileen's questline, and grabbing any more NPCs. That's actually it. None of that is even remotely difficult to do before Rom.
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>>160572492
Eileen's quest is fucked up for me. I got the hot tip from her that she was off to kill Henryk, but I didn't go immediately and now it just won't happen.

I even went to the tomb of Oedon. Neither Henryk nor his corpse can be found there and Eileen is nowhere to be found either.
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>>160572924
The nighttime shift doesn't trigger that, it's one of the bosses after Amelia that does that (I think Paarl)
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On my last playthrough I think I forgot to talk to Eileen once, when I went to the grand cathedral to harvest the crow badge from her dying body, she was standing on the lamp, like the other asshole on my other playthroughs

and so i had to fuck her up in a glorious manner

put ludwig's theme while i was rearing her bell
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>>160573007
Why the fuck should Paarl have anything to do with this?

>>160573052
Worst part about not triggering the part of the quest where you kill Henryk is you miss out on one of the top 5 gestures in the game and one of three gestures that makes audible noise for other players.
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>>160573110
>Worst part about not triggering the part of the quest where you kill Henryk
oh that's what I forgot thanks
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>>160572924
>>160573007
The trigger for failing Eileen's quest is if you enter the Forbidden Woods before killing Henryk.
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Shit you'd probably miss out on your first playthrough if you didn't use a wiki:
>Yharnam Girl's only good ending (Iosefka) and the Messenger ribbons
>Flame Sprayer from Gilbert
>Djura's gesture
>Eileen's covenant and gestures
>Adella's gesture/blood
>Messenger's Gift
>Madaras whistle
>Arianna's umbilical cord
>Iosefka's umbilical cord (most players probably killed her before it happened)
>Executioners rune
>Tier 3 Moon Rune
>90% of Chalice shit
>Knowing that you're going straight to NG+ after whatever ending you pick without any kind of confirmation or warning
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>>160573796
This is the kind of shit that makes me love a game

I don't want a game like, let's say Uncharted 4, where it's impossible for me to miss out on anything except some useless treasures

I want to feel like I have to focus to get it all
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Why does the pebble look like an eye?
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>>160573796
The only things on that list I can understand missing on a blind run are the Messenger's Gift, Moon rune and maybe the Whistle, and the Whistle is a big maybe.

Most of the things on that list you could find just by, you know, exploring all of your options.
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>>160574030
Quite thrilling.
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Is there any boss in any other game that is as satisfying to fight as Ludwig?
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>>160573796
You should really shave off about half that list for anyone that's not an idiot.

The flame sprayer, Eileen's quest, both Hunter's tools, Arianna's umbilical cord, the Executioner rune, and chalice shit are all pretty fucking easy to get on your own.

Source: I did all that on my own on my first play through except for the whistle because it didn't exist then, but i still got it blind when the league came out.
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>>160573796
>missing out on the flame sprayer when demon's souls, dark souls 1 and dark souls 2 taught players to exhaust all NPC dialogue whenever a major change occurs within the game world, regardless of whether it's a boss dying or reaching a new area
The fact that Gilbert gives you directions in the beginning kind of points to the fact that you'd be wise to revisit him periodically and exhaust his dialogue.
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>>160574030
It's a dried out old eye.

Crows crop them because they peck out corpses eyes.

Those little old ladies drop them because they scoop out unsuspecting goobers eyes.
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>>160574064
>>160573796
>messengers gift
>hard to find

patches kicks you into a hole where you have two hallways and one literally leads right to it. messengers gift is not hard to find at all.
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>>160574360
It isn't hard to find if you look for it, but it's in such a shitty area that I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people would decide "fuck this" and leave.
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>>160574413
the area isn't that bad when you realize poison damage doesn't matter. like i got booted down there and was like 'OH SHIT POISON LET ME BOLD HUNTERS MARK oh it does like no damage fuck it im fine"

if anything, it's less shitty than the swamp you're required to run through because you at least don't have giants hurling rocks at you.
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>>160573279
It's not
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>>160571557
Thanks for the help familia, I got a plus 9 weapon and headed to kill shadows of yharnam now, got Ludwig holy blade and got enough bolt paper for rom and one reborn .
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Getting to invade every few seconds feels so good again.
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So is there any benefit to hoarding insight besides seeing weird stuff sooner, or does it only result in weaker beasthood and lower frenzy resistance?
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anyone still on? I know it's late but I was thinking of hopping online in a bit and fucking around, maybe doing some chalices. Worst comes to worst it'd be nice knowing there was someone to co-op with.
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>>160577690
Good if you wanna buy a Blood Rock.
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Amelia with +6 Saw cleaver
20.3% Attack
18% Attack
16% Attack and 14 Flat
Beast pellet and fire paper.
Time: 45 seconds

Average playthrough Amelia kill
+4 Saw Cleaver
0.7% attack
2.4% attack droplet
Beast pellet and fire paper
Time: 55 seconds

Character 1 spent 6 hours farming
Character 2 was at little under an hour and a half.

I wasted my time for nothing.
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>>160578293
I never found out you can just buy a blood rock now. Motherfucker.

>>160578737
The journey.
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Holy FUCK Tiny Tonitrus hits insanely hard.
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>>160578737
No shit. I hope you at least recorded it.
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>>160578737
>>160579092

Breaking my pledge to promise to not post until it's uploaded just to say that this wasn't the original 'Overpreparer's guide to Amelia'.

Video is still coming along, savescumming until I get a perfect kill takes time. Of course 45seconds VS 55 seconds isn't a big difference but I'm going to keep recording until I get a kill with the least possible downtime.

Unless anyone wants to invade me and let me build up a full bar of Beasthood before entering the fog, I'll go back to lurking.
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>>160573796
>Yharnam Girl's only good ending (Iosefka) and the Messenger ribbons
Got it on first playthrough
>Flame Sprayer from Gilbert
Got it on first playthrough
>Djura's gesture
Killed the fucker, got gesture on NG+
>Eileen's covenant and gestures
Got all of it on first playthrough
>Adella's gesture/blood
Sent to Iosefka
>Messenger's Gift
Are you serious? The whole level slaps antidotes on your face and even gives you a rune
>Madaras whistle
Got it on first playthrough
>Arianna's umbilical cord
Sent to Iosefka
>Iosefka's umbilical cord (most players probably killed her before it happened)
I didn't kill her, she was nice
>Executioners rune
Found Cainhurst but didn't explore before going into NG+
>Tier 3 Moon Rune
Would never have though of doing that
>90% of Chalice shit
>Knowing that you're going straight to NG+ after whatever ending you pick without any kind of confirmation or warning
These are correct
I still don't understand why people use guides on first playthrough, it doesn't give any sense of acomplishment to me and it's like they want to finish such a good game as fast as posssible just to brag about something thay didn't do by themselfs.
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>>160578737
The flat 80 damage boost of the Fire Paper is significant enough to make most of that grinding worthless.

A 54% damage boost on a +6 Saw Cleaver (144 damage before scaling) would be 77.8 which isn't a terribly large difference.

Most of the Saw Cleaver's attacks have a negligible AR multiplier, but if you're using transformation attacks for the 1.3x multiplier that's still only (144+77)+30% for 287 per attack before scaling and defense ratings with a flat 80 for fire paper added on for a total of 367 per hit.

The +4 saw cleaver, doing this same basic math, would do approximately 164 damage + 80 for fire paper totaling 244 per hit.

6 hours of grinding for a difference of 123, or approximately 50% more damage.

If you'd used a stronger weapon and higher AR multiplier attacks (Kirkhammer R2s for example) the difference would be much more dramatic.

tl;dr
the damage difference is mediocre at best because you're working with low base numbers. If you want a percentage difference to create a more palpable gap, use stronger weapons.
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>>160579615
> Kirkhammer

Don't tell him that, he'll end up farming rating Adepts which will take another 4 weeks.
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>>160571557
>>160577427
Just finished the game, thanks again /bbg/
Found the game surprisingly easy except for that Bloody Crow of Cainhurst guy but I read you could kill him with poison daggers so I used 3x moon runes to farm pigs to buy poison daggers and killed him that way. Currently level 110. I got to gerhman an hour and a half ago but spent a good 45 minutes on Orphan of Kos.and another half hour on Laurence (i ended up summong Valtr)

Anyways I got the "True" ending, the one with the slug? And I think that's it for me outside Chalice Dungeons

Was fun, back to WoW for me though.
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>>160580007
Played the game from start to completion in just over 3 hours
First playthrough, huh?
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>>160580007
>back to WoW for me though

oi u cheeky cunt
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>>160580070
Yeah, I was boring a friend's PS4; he wanted me to play bloodborne and I told him I'd give it a try.
I started playing a bit ago making different characters to try out the different starter weapons and decided today that I'd play for real. I asked around on reddit and a guy PM'd me to check out this place so I asked around. But I got the same answers about just going in blind. I looked into the OP's Resourcce Pastebin
and this post >>160573796 and found the wiki and started my journey. I missed Ebrietas, Amygdala, and Darkbeast Paarl but I cleared everything else. I been using a Ludwig Holy Blade
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Weak bait. Will not give a (you)
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>>160579092
I recorded Character 1's, but I didn't record my stats with it so i wouldn't be able to prove i have what i claimed.
Besides because its 40+ seconds long I can't make it a webm without severe compression and i don't trust jewtube
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>>160580365
>tfw so many posts in this thread look like weak bait that this post could be referring to anyone
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BL4 no upgrade, no gems, no vials, no roll Depth 3 Watchers was the worst experience I've ever had in this video game.

I'd rather fight Ludwig and Kos at the same time then these fuckers.
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>>160580706
>no upgrade, no gems
Might as well just do an unarmed playthrough.
>no vials
You're clearly nowhere NEAR good enough to survive on Rally healing alone.
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>>160580825
i killed cleared it faggot, i was just expressing my disdain for it
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>70 seeds already since last night
Top 80 again, finally.
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>>160580864
So stop your bitching, then. You've no right to bitch about the difficulty of self-imposed challenges.
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>>160580909
what the FUCK are you talking about..?
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>>160580919
>you're not a lot to discuss things in this general unless I approve of them
fuck off
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>>160580937
Vileblood ranking.
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>>160580962
I'm glad you understand.
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>>160580937
He's among the top eighty biggest cucks in all of Yharnam.
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What a quiet night, tell me fell hunters, what is your process when you make a new character?

Do you spend an hour or so painstakingly making a cute character? Maybe even spending that same time trying to think of a name. Do you imagine a build before hand or do you just think of it as you go along?

Do you clear the main game as fast as possible and then rushing DLC or do you enjoy mixing in dlc and chalices between segments in the main game?
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Does a coin flip and an emote after you killed someone during an invasion piss most people off? I'm not getting any hate messages and I kill tons of them without waiting for them to finish their fedora tipping gesture before a fight.
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>>160581221
Bloodborne came out in March 2015
It is currently November 2016

Every cute character has been uploaded to a slider database
You can google "kawaii anime names"
Every possible build has been created
The most efficient route to clear the game and the content has been created and optimized

Posts like yours anyone else's "what fav weapon" "wat ur fav zone xd" are repetitive and tedious, we've seen posts like yours thousands upon thousands of times. If you want to discuss this trivial shit go to reddit, if you want to hunt with /bbg/ post what you're hunting and where to meet you
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>>160581221
I never mess with character creators. You never see the face anyway and it's not fun to me.

I spend a lot of time deciding what weapons to use, then what clothes compliment the weapons either aesthetically or based on weapon and what kind of monsters are going to land hits (defensive considerations based on weapon's weaknesses).

>>160581634
Somebody please call a mortician, there has been shots fired point blank and this one isn't coming back.
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>>160581634
Man discords been really active the past 2 days.
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>>160581634
Fucking this.
All the lore that is worth discussing has been discuss
All the best builds have been determined
All the secrets have been unraveled
Every inch of this game has been covered
There are only so many ways you can play this game, even with the inclusion of chalice dungeons. Most times it's a waste of time to do before clearing the game.
The PvE has been dissected thoroughly where a simple google search will unveil the OPTIMAL BIS SET UP for EVERY BUILD or THE BEST DAMAGE BUILD IN THE GAME and etc.
Routes have already been developed for speed running or 100%/Platinuming the game.
The PvP meta has also been equally as dissected.
Every RESOURCE you NEED is in the OP of this very thread, and every thread for this general for as long as /bbg/ continues to exist.
Reddit even offers similar resources with the same information.
Every topic under the sun that is worth discussing has been discussed.
The ONLY thing left to DISCUSS is translating the last few songs that need translating so we can infer what the lyrics means and how it correlates with the lore.
If you're new to /bbg/, know that this isn't a ice cream social, this isn't a "oh let's chat" general. For that you can easily go to /dsg/ or reddit. This general is for grouping up with players or setting up fight clubs

Happy hunting and fuck off.
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>>160582554
Why Ludwig is a horse and not a wolfie?
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>>160582554
dae think the one reborn is actuallly orphan of kos??
dae think orphan of kos is son of gehrman fucking kosm's before killing her for the cord??
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>there will be another bloodborne dlc

should i just kill myself?
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>>160582809
Orphan is Gherman. He killed Kos became a Great One and the surrogate child of Moon Presence.
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>>160581634
>>160582554
This general is mean, god damn. What's got you all so pissy?
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>>160581221
Up to nightmare of menisis on my first character, decided a cosplay build would be fun
boy was i wrong
cainhurst is a pain to get to again
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I need some Victorian-era composers to listen to while playing Bloodborne. You guys know any?
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>>160581634
>>160582554
>STOP DISCUSSING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
>THIS GENERAL IS FOR ME-APPROVED POSTING ONLY

kys
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>>160583117
Wow, great post! Glad you're contributing to the discussion of Bloodborne on /bbg/!
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What's the purpose of insight if I don't co-op? I've already reached 99 which seems to be the cap, and that's not counting the knowledge I have in my inventory.
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>>160583296
Insight shop, some monsters (very few) have more attacks, you see and hear more stuff in general.
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>>160583296
Beast blood pellets.
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>>160583296

you can buy blood rocks at the messengers for 60 insight each. Useful in that sense for getting more weapons to +10 without having to play through the game again for another one.
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>80 invasions
>not one satisfying enemy
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I'm a big weab, is there anyway I can set the onscreen text to Japanese in the game?
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>>160561529
worst pvp
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Does Brandor knows that we can't hear what he's saying?
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>>160574157

Just beat him today on a second character. I half wanted to let him live just so I could keep fighting him.

This game could really use a bossfight gallery, sometimes I just want to fight a boss again for funsies. More games need to include repeatable bossfights
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Is there a resource that shows you ALL available gem drops from mobs in all the chalice dungeons? Every single one is about "BEST SLOT ENDGAME" I just want to see what drops what. I want to take a break from progression and just dick around and maybe find some decent thrust gems for my church pick. (haven't killed rom yet)
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>>160584118
Just farm Lumpy gems in Lower Pthumeru layer 2. They're better than Mensis gems and can be obtained before Amelia, around 20% Phys. Adepts can drop too that go a little higher but the droprate is low so just stick to the Phys gems.
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>>160584309
No, I'm not INTERESTED in Lumpy or Clarence. Look, I understand they're pretty baller Physical Attack gems, but I'm trying to look for a resource for all gems. not just physical attack. The arcanist gem guide is nice because it shows arcane gems, but I can't find any other guide that shows physical up on low HP or bloodtinge % or even kin up or beast up and what have you. I just want a master list of what drops what that isn't exclusive to just end game.
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>fight ludwig after amelia for giggles
>surprisingly destroy him easily with a +9 weapon with wimpy 0.7% damage gems. bolt paper and beast pellet
damn, i remembered him absolutely anally ravaging me when the dlc came out and i was bl90
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>>160584382
Oh okay, I doubt there's a guide for that. People are mainly interested in end-game gems which is why Lumpy/Clarence were kind of a big deal. You could try looking at top tier gems from certain enemies and find them in lower Depths, they tend to drop the same kind but lower quality.
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>>160581541
>>160581541
In Dark Souls games you can roll out of a gesture if the invader doesn't wanna fuck with that shit.

This game doesn't let you roll out of gestures, so doing them when you're being invaded is stupid and if you get killed while gesturing it's 100% your fault.
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What happened recently that started causing several different people to dive into the depths of madness that is chalice dungeons to farm gems for hours on end that will be replaced the moment you step into Nightmare of Mensis?
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>>160584382
Sadly there are no reliable sources of anything except Physical and Fire in the early chalice dungeons. Lumpy drops all kinds of gems, but Physical % make up 90% of his loot pool. It might be placebo but I feel like Chalice Knights drop more interesting gems more often, but since it's uncursed and have secondaries they are garbage and Litterally half Lumpy gem values. If Amelianon's theory of flaming weapon = cursed gems is true, then Flaming Weapon Knights might be interesting to farm if you can find one.

Pickaxe Guys also apperently drop cursed gems in non cursed dungeons. Droprate sucks though and so do thier gems.

Ghosts drop pretty good ATK on low HP gems, but the droprate sucks and I honestly have no idea what a depth 3 gem would look like % wise, I doubt anyone has ever bothered to farm for one.
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>>160584998
Dark Souls 3 is the only souls game that let's you roll out of a gesture.
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Damn I wish Brador's outfit had this cool mask
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tfw no benjie bf
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>>160585575
Are fcbfs going to become a thing here now?
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>>160585494
sauce?
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I have over 700 blood dregs by now. I'm thinking about remaking my character because of the hair color and name but I don't think I will get another 700 anytime soon.
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Maria IRL
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>>160586197
too cute to be maria desu senpai
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>>160586529
lol
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>>160585642
The Artbook from the OP.
Also if the crow set had a cap instead of he cute hat would be nice desu
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Quick, post cute pics of your bloodborne waifu
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>>160586441
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>>160585494
Isn't that a Cainhurst helm?
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>>160587803
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>>160587803
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>>160573796
>Yharnam Girl's only good ending (Iosefka)
What?
>Flame Sprayer from Gilbert
Missed
>Djura's gesture
Missed
>Eileen's covenant and gestures
Got everything
>Adella's gesture/blood
Got 'em
>Messenger's Gift
Got it
>Madaras whistle
Missed
>Arianna's umbilical cord
Literally impossible to miss
>Iosefka's umbilical cord
Got it
>Executioners rune
Missed in multiple playthroughs
>Tier 3 Moon Rune
Missed
>90% of Chalice shit
10%
>Knowing that you're going straight to NG+ after whatever ending you pick without any kind of confirmation or warning
I played the previous games so no.
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>>160587803
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>>160562759
>tfw you forget there is an anime existing called berserk
Happens to me for SnK too.
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>>160573796
On my first playthrough I got all of that and exploring the chalice dungeons and got the best gems on my character without utilizing the internet
i also knew about the true ending the moment i i entered the lecture hall
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What the fuck is the deal with dungeon Patches?

I've got 600+ hours of BB, completed literally hundreds of roots and never met the fucker, and now I've just completed a few roots where Patches has appeared and he isn't there

Does him appearing depend on his circumstances in the main game? I haven't killed him FYI
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>>160565061
Papers and pellets. If he takes 90 percent of your hp do it the cool way and don't get hit.
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>>160590830
PS4 reads the save data of all your past souls games and if you killed him in any of the following: Demons' Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 3; he won't appear
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Before I purchase PS+ because Sony are jews and gating me from PvE content can I put in a glyph for ANY chalice dungeon when I use the short chalice or do I have to already have made the chalice/own the chalice before hand?
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>>160591139
You can change glyphes whenever you want to in town.
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>>160591286
so lets say i never killed bsb/amygdala/ebrietas, i can just hit up a random glyph via short chalice or what
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>>160590830
f28prvum
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>>160591330
No
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Maria is bullying me. Pass is help
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>>160591840
Shoot her
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>>160592121
Help me
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>>160592121
digging the yahagul hunter cosplay
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>>160591330
To use a glyph you need:

>to have the associated chalice
>you need to have made the made a chalice of the same depth or lower
>you need to have made a chalice with the same F/R/C offerings or more
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What are the best gems to put in the rakuyo and where can i find them?
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>>160592191
hmm, i guess i'll pass, i dont think 100 extra flat damage will matter in the long run. I can use the mensis/hamlet gems with bolt/fire paper and pellets.
dont feel like doing a giant grind on top of having to pay $10 just to for 100 more damage
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>>160592315
frc watchers
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>>160592457
Fetid root pthumeru?
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>>160592375
Glyphs are online content, so you aren't being gated.

Just run through the story dungeons, collect the root chalices, and make a Isz F/R/C chalice. You would need to do that either way. Then you can get one month of PS+ to get the glyphs if you want.

THough, it doesn't really matter anyway. The DLC gems are more than enough for PvE.
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>>160592174
Dodge towards her in her second and third form, you can stagger her and parry all of her attacks.
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there's so much obsessive over fucking gems holy shit
there not needed nor required to play this fucking game
this isnt an mmo with raids where you are expected to clear bosses under a expected time before it enrages and shits on you and your raid
you dont need to get the 37% phys damage while near death gems for your bl4 and you certainly dont need 27% damage gems on your cleaver or the 32% thrust on your rakuyo or lhb

and pvp you can just join the no gem fight clubs which are ultimately better fights both in terms of quality and enjoyment

stop focusing so much on it jesus
want a bt build? 50 bt is absolutely fucking fine you dont need any fucking gems
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>>160592754
>there's so much obsessive over fucking gems holy shit
because we're clinging onto anything as an excuse to keep playing this game
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>>160592754

DLC gems are more than enough for all the PVE content, and even pvp

But 27% for the extra edge is undeniable. It just takes time, and I know some of you are already thinking "haha 27% are easy" and you're not entirely wrong, compared to all the other silly grindy shit the gaming world has to offer, 27% arent that bad, it just adds another layer of tedious shit you gotta do before you can "play for real" and that only serves to separate the playerbase
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>>160593159
I just like optimal stuff.
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>>160593186
thats why non-gem fc's are better
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any friend for some dlc fun? just killed Ludwig, hoping to get to Rakuyo on this toon today

also down to help out with whatever, tryna get back into it
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>>160592121
>>160592675
Fuck that I spammed Augur
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Do I need PSPlus to download and use the dlc?
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>>160593653
No, you don't.
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>>160582554
>all the secrets have been unraveled
but what about the level 3 guidance rune?
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>>160593727
Cool Thanks, I am really new to Playstation.
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>>160593457
Tbh, I am just running through the dlc, but I am really into doing stuff on my own for the first time. But maybe we could do some OoK some day.
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>>160593809
I'm the same way, no worries mate. I'll be farting around this thread all morning if you end up wanting to go in on something.
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What chalice do i need to fight the frc watchers? Pthumeru ihyll?
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>>160593898
I hope you find some coop partners but I don't think I will come that far tonight haha.
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How do I put an end to pvp fights where both of us dodge every hit with invincibility frames? I just fought for 15 minutes against a guy and neither of us could hit the other until I just started spamming tools.
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>>160593186
Then what are the more grindy things? Also, do you think lvl 19 gems with perfect bonuses and no curses are worth considering over cursed 20s?
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>>160594338
>whats that smell ?
> Ah, its Gucci guilty black, enought to make a man ___
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>>160595149
change you moveset, quit the dash-r1-r2 and use running attacks and trick moves
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>>160594338
>>160594813

>enought to make the ladies mad
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>lost all saves
>restart

Man I fucking hate the first run. You're so depowered against the bosses. Must more of an even keel in NG+ when you at least have some weapons and shit.
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>>160595618
I tried. The only thing that somewhat worked is walking straight up to them and swinging as they backstep to nick them before they can backsteo again. But that can work against me too if they have a quick weapon at hand.
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>>160595958
mmm well shit, it help me when i start to fight witout locking on to them, or doing so only to deal a blow
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>>160595893
>What are pellets
>What are bolt/fire papers
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My new friends, where does one go after Amelia
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>>160596249
what are the charges below the vials ?
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>>160596323
No idea, thats a pre-release screenshot from IGN I believe
>Check out that skybox and the lighting
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>>160596310
The hunters dream, of course.
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>>160596249
Yeah, got it. Just not all that fun.
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>>160596546
Chalice time?
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>There are people ITT who go to NG+ just to get the Burial Blade
shamefur dispray
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>>160597045
Thy don't know the trick anon. Maybe they didn't even fight the real boss.
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Why would you ever choose blunderbuss over the pistol?
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>>160597332
Looks
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>>160597332
Bloodtinge build?
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>>160597332
better for pvp?
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>>160596310
Touch the skull on the altar, then go down into the round plaza where the two giant lads are, there's a path there

Make sure you've gone to Hemwick first, though
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>>160597332
Wider cone, easier to hit.
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>>160597332
Does more damage than an Evelyn with a FRC BSB gem if all the pellets hit and staggers better.
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best gem setup for Blades of Mercy?
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>>160598683
Full 27.2% Phys from Watchers
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>>160598683
Three 27.2% gems. At 25/50 your AR is 603.
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>>160598868
>>160598787
thanks lads
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>>160598787
Which dungeon do i make to find them?
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>>160599991
Pwmf22gu for Radials, 5pwujscd for Triangles. Check the OP for glyphs
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>>160599991
For Radials, pwmf22gu in FRC Ihyll.
For Triangles, 5pwujscd in FRC Isz.
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Kekm, grant us fives.
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>>160586827
THAT FUCKING FLAIL MAN

I WANNA USE IT

Untricked is a smashy flail

Trick is a smashy two handed mace like the bloodletter
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>>160600096
Awesome, thanks m8. Just gotta get the ihyll chalice now
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So now that I have Platinum

what the fuck is the point of living?
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>>160600529
PVP, Co-op, new builds, NG+

Waiting an eternity for your platinum theme to be emailed to you.
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>>160600517
>two handed
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>>160600610
>Waiting an eternity for your platinum theme to be emailed to you.
oh I forgot about that shit
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What's the best dungeon to farm bloodtinge gems? does such a thing exist?
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Should I keep this Saw Cleaver, or switch to Ludwigs or Kirkhammer
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>>160600854
Use them all
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>>160600781
y592byza in FRC Isz.

Good luck, though. Offshapes are rare. However, if you're just going for circles, you'll be done in 5 minutes.
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This game is really fun. It's amazing to me how much more detail From put into this than they did any of the Souls games. There is a lot more going on, and more areas it feels and stuff like that.
Anyways I also beat the With of Hemwock first try, although I would assume that she is most likely the easiest bodd in the game?
Also I got to the forbidden woods and got raped by a trap where a spiked log slammed into me.
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>>160601338
Witch of Hemwick is the second easiest boss in the game
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Just realized that I never play these games with polearms. What'll it be, bbg? Rifle spear or hunter axe?
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>>160601045
And waste my precious blood?
Surely you jest.
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>>160601338
Yep, Witch of Hemwick is a pushover.

Glad you're having fun, anon.
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>>160601387
Which is the first?
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>>160601536
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>>160601638
97 damage and it died.
What.
Did I miss him in the tutorial or something
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>>160601638
Aside from the lazy ass chalice bosses which are just beefed up versions of normal enemies, Witches are hands down easiest.
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>>160601813
The Witch of Hemwick boss is just a weaker version of the dungeon witches anyway
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>>160601878

Where are there dungeon witches? dont recall
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>>160601952
Only in root dungeons, they're a fucking pain in the ass
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>>160601952
The cunts who summon Mad Ones. I encounter them a lot in FRC root dungeons like Lower Loran and Isz.

They're not bosses, just regular enemies.
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>>160602035
>>160602047
Ah right
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>>160601391
>>160601391
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>>160595492

Gaming in general has tons of crazy grindy shit come on.
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>>160602221
Church Pick nigga
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>>160601391
25/50 Rifle Spear, 50/25 Hunter Axe. Or both for 50/25 with Heavy Abyssals.
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>>160602348
Not really an option early on.
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>>160601338
Ugh this is so fucking annoying, Im in the forbidden woods and there are some guys who shoot. So whenever I try to roll I always end up jumping because I was running. Why cant this game give you the option to switch.
In DaS3 I had the problem of always accidentally kicking. In this I always accidentally jump
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>>160602587
You learn to deal with it, just run whenever you're rushing or the path is clear. Walk when there's enemies and dodge when you need to, or learn how to run and time dodges after letting go.
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>>160602782
Yeah its just that there is such a long time where after you stop running that you can still jump which is messing me up. You have like a whole second of being able to jump after not running.
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>>160602431
25 str/50 skill?
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>>160601338
Well you have an amazing setting with all that lovecraftian shit. And they almost perfectly build in the souls mechanics and "lorehunting" into the new setting.
I hope to see more new IPs from from.
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God damn this rifle spear is weak as fuck and has no goddamned range. Charged R2 does plenty though
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>>160603052
For Rifle Spear yeah, you don't really have to invest any Bloodtinge for it.
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Alright so I just joined some League of C9nfederates I believe it was called in the forbidden Woods. Is this like a covenant for PvE or something.
Also for Saw Cleaver what should my Str/Skill be? Equal?
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>>160603382
50/25. It's a co-op covenant.
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>play with Kirkhammer initially
>switch to LHB after a while and end up putting a good amount of points into skill
>get bored and switch back to Kirkhammer
>now have all those wasted points into skill

Feels bad man. I probably could've had 40+ STR right now and instead I have like 28.
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>>160603434
Aren't all covenants about coop? What is the use of leagues covenant?
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>>160600627
Get outta here bloodtinge faglord, I want my two handed smashy mace and my flail
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>>160600691
Make sure you have your Playstation account online set to receive emails from Sony
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>>160603551
Corruption is for PvP, HoH is kind of a mix, Radiance same, Impurity rewards vermin after killing bosses in co-op. It's a leaderboard thing, and/or extra gesture. After receiving 5 talk to Valtr. The extra effects from Covenant Runes are mostly minor other than Milkweed and Beast Embrace from the DLC.
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When should I start Old Hunters? I'm in Forbidden Woods rn.
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What's the difference between saw spear and cleaver?
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>>160604184
Whenever, if it's too difficult come back to it later.

>>160604324
Scaling, tricked movesets, Spear has serrations on both modes.
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>>160604184
Whenever you feel comfortable.
>>160604324
Spear is skill-leaning, Cleaver is strength-leaning. Spear is also serrated as both untricked and tricked. Slightly different tricked moveset too.
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>>160604324
Saw cleaver has the better moveset but like a few points less in damage.
The cleaver is superior.
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>>160604404
>>160604436
Okay. But how do I even start it in the first place
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>>160604612
Get caught by the Amygdala outside the Cathedral Ward, where you picked up the Hunter set with the Top Hat.
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>>160604612
Get picked up by the Amygdala in Cathedral Ward where the Hunter Set was. Stand near the corpse and a bluish orb will appear.
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>>160604436
>>160604486
Wouldn't the fact that viscerals scale with skill make the spear better?
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Are you a dirty BiS Min/Maxer nerd who only cares about theoretical optimal DPS, yes? Then use Saw Spear
Are you a real nigga who prefers superior moveset at the loss of of some negligible damage? If yes, then Saw Cleaver is for you
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>>160604873
Weapons don't effect visceral damage, you could still get the same damage with the same build and gems using both weapons.
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>>160605167
Yeah but your skill level does. If spear is more skill oriented then upping skill to do more with the spear would make the spear better when using visceral attacks.
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>>160605140
>BiS

?
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>>160605268
You could still use the Saw Cleaver in a Skill build, a bit less damage but if you prefer it there's nothing stopping you. Doesn't matter in an Arcane build though.
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>>160605167
Well I think he's asking wouldn't it be preferable to use a weapon that scales off skill since you get the added bonus of better viscerals

>>160604486
>Saw cleaver has the better move set
Does it? I though I heard the spear has a better move set due to range and thrusting damage. I suppose which moveset is better is completely subjective though
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>>160582554
>Routes have already been developed for speed running

tbf I do not think I've ever seen an Any% current patch that is 100% optimal. I don't think there is currently one that makes use of:

-Forbidden Woods elevator skip
-Byrgenwerth statue skip
-AND Micolash OOB

And using these skips would require some amount of re-routing other areas, probably.

Also IDK if there is an all bosses speedrun that makes use of the Nightmare Frontier elevator skip. And there's probably some stuff I'm forgetting.
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>>160605268
You can get almost-equivalent damage instead by just attacking over visceral assuming no claw-mark runes are involved. Still less, but not an extreme gap.

It's how BL4's are still able to pump out damage even without low skills. Paper+Pellet is all you need
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>>160601638
>Not CE
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>>160605418
Never heard of any of those skips, anon. Mind sharing? Skips are always pretty cool.
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>>160605576
At least Celestial Emissary takes more than two hits to die.
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What are my Vilebloodbros doing tonight?
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>>160605368
BiS stands for Best in Slot, it's used in most RPGs.

BiS in BB would likely refer to gems instead of weapons, but at 50 STR/50 SKL Saw Spear is the best weapon in the game.
High Damage
Good moveset
Low Stamina cost
Double serration
Builds beasthood extremely fast because it's bread and butter combo is R1 -> L1 -> L1 -> L1...
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>>160604486
>Saw cleaver has the better moveset but like a few points less in damage.

With optimal gems, Cleaver deals more damage than Spear because Heavy Abyssals.
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>>160605418
Noone uses the fishing hamlet skip either.
They're likely too inconsistent.
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>>160605776
>50 STR/50 SKL Saw Spear is the best weapon in the game

Is this confirmed? Because I'm one of those min/max assholes who's obsessed with efficiency.
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>>160603495
Restart. It doesn't take that long to get back where you are. You sound 35 minutes into the game.
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I'm using the Saif with 50 skill. All my gems have +27% phys damage. Am I done farming gems?
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>>160605637
True, I've never fought the silverbeast.
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>>160605985
Yes
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>>160605984
I'm at Amygdala
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>>160605985
Pretty much, 24.8%+15 Tempering Abyssals from FRC Blood-letting could probably be a little better (for numbers and low modifiers at least).
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I am just about to fight lewdwig and I think I got all the dlc weapons. But is there anything else in the dlc that I should try to get? I don't want to spoil myself too much, so I am asking you guys. I am aiming for a str skl build, so all blt and arc things are going to be useless for me.
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>>160605776
Why is the Church Pike never considered?

-All Attacks are Thrust attacks, which every enemy is weak to.
-Both tricked and untricked mode are BOTH SERRATED AND RIGHTEOUS
-Tricked form takes as much as stamina to swing as Saw Cleaver/Saw Spear untricked.
-Great vertical reach
-Great horizontal reach

Only weakness i can think of is it doesn't have the absurdly god transformation attack of the saw cleaver/saw spear
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>>160606192
There are more DLC weapons. Ludwig isn't the only boss in the DLC.
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>>160606119
Amygdala can be pretty early in the game, but it's an optional boss, so you could be anywhere really.
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>>160606270
>the absurdly god transformation attack of the saw cleaver/saw spear

What is this exactly?
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>>160606119
So you're 35 minutes in to the game then yes? Or are you doing Amygdala after Rom or something?
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>>160606325
Builds 25% beasthood, is insanely quick, costs as much as 1.5x R1s. Does 2x as much damage as an R1.
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>>160606324
>>160606375
Yes, Amygdala after Rom. I guess I should've said I just beat The One Reborn and I'm currently going to beat Amygdala.
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>>160605401
Is that the point emote but reversed?
cool
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>>160606505
Is it exactly what I'm thinking? Hit R1 then L1 (transform attack) then R1 then L1 again (transform attack again)?
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>>160605587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwvmCqBASWo

Byrgenwerth statue skip. Really fucking hard to pull off, minor time save, but still works in current patch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Hggl6g780

Lets you get inside the Forbidden Woods hut without opening the gate. Unfortunately it does not demonstrate the actual elevator skip, but the description mentions that it's possible to do, probably in a similar fashion to the Nightmare Frontier elevator skip, or the DeS 4-2 skip to Old Hero (watch any DeS speedrun).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaDb8MftwA0

Nightmare Frontier elevator skip. Doing a plunging attack on some rocks will temporarily break your fall, causing you to not take lethal fall damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUzj9hJkfIM

Micolash OOB. Knocks him out of the arena, lowering him to 1 HP. Then you shoot him in the 2nd phase, killing him instantly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kTdtG99dQ

Same glitch done in 1.09 patch. Really difficult/inconsistent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVCp2ie28kM

Also there's this. Currently I think TOR skip is not really worthwhile in an Any% run, because it takes a while to do. With some rerouting, it might be usable? IDK. The only way it would be good, I think, is if you didn't upgrade your weapon very much at all by the time you reached TOR. With Mico OOB, you theoretically wouldn't need to upgrade your weapon or level up at any point between Forbidden Woods and Mergo's Loft.

And here's a Youtube playlist that has all this stuff and a bit more: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiYb6m4BDOeAkCrsOP2TSrMaNk5i8QBVq
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>>160605418
Burgertown statue skip?
The one you use that explosive flower thing for?
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>>160606518
Ah I understand now, but meh I guess keep going if you're willing, just know it isn't too long of a trip. But I can understand not wanting to spend 45 min to an hour getting back to where you are.
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>>160606659
Amazing. Thank you, anon. I had only known of the Forbidden Woods out-of-bounds skip and the Yahar'gul gate skip, but skips of all kind are all nice to see.
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>>160606192
You mean pre-Ludwig? There's the Old Hunter armour set, Constable armour set minus the helmet (you get that after completing Valtr's questline), five weapons to pick up (four weapons, one skill), the Eye Pendant in the Grand Cathedral.
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>>160606695
Good bait retard.
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>>160606619
R1 L1 L1 L1
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>>160606619
Yep, a transform attack is hitting R1 then L1, you can keep hitting L1 to chain transform attacks too.
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>>160605903
There's no objective way to measure which weapon is the best, but Saw Spear is inarguably up there.
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>>160606780
Excuse me?
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>>160606885
Do we have a general list?

>>160606821
>>160606881
Very cool, thanks.
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Why does one of the Shadows of Yharnam have a Tonitrus? Aren't they meant to be disembodied pthumerian ghosts? The Chikage and fire magic makes sense, but why a Tonitrus?
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My personal list

50/-
Whirligig
50/25
Cleaver
-/50
Rakuyo
25/50
Saw Spear
50/50
Saw Spear
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>>160606671
No, the explosive flower thing skip is (was?) used pretty frequently.

I think it only stopped being used because many speedrunners agreed to softban on using quit-outs. This is because BB speedruns are primarily measured using in-game time, rather than real time. This has the unfortunate consequence of making it so that quitting out of the game every single time you open a door becomes the optimal way to get the fastest time, because when you load the game, the door will be open, but your character will no longer be stuck in their animation of opening the door.

That's really boring, so people came to the gentleman's agreement of "no quit-outs" even though that is not a hard and fast rule of any site that records Souls speedruns.

This also has the side effect of making it so that nobody ever gets to see the Yharnam sewer skip, which is a bummer because I really like that skip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBWXOsvDXAc
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>>160606659
good shit anon ty for sharing!
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>>160606270
>All Attacks are Thrust attacks
The untricked R1 chain has some slashes in it, which do pitifully low damage when you're gemmed for thrust. But yeah overall it's a 10/10 weapon.
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Ludwig jumped and disappeared from the arena, then shortly thereafter I heard him scream getting ready from a charge and he came out of the fucking wall. What the fuck
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Nitpicking, but does it bother anyone else how much more complicated the decades/centuries old Old Hunter weapons are compared to the regular ones? Sure the Boom Hammer and Whirligig get passes for being Powder Keg weapons but the other stuff like the Beast Cutter, Church Pick, or Bowblade have ridiculously complex transformations compared to the original weapons like the saws, axe, Kirkhammer, BoM, or even the Burial Blade, despite being much older.
Hell, even the Threaded Cane seems less complex than the Beast Cutter, as it seems like one line going through all the segments with the mechanism in the handle, while the each segment of the Beast Cutter has its own mechanism.
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>>160607453
Yeah but with church pick you mainly use it the tricked form, similar to how Saw Cleaver pretty much only uses it's untricked form.
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Is Logarius immune to parry at certain times? I get him down to about 1/3 health and suddenly my bullets don't work anymore. What the fuck is going on?
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>>160608095
If you let him power up he says fuck your bullets.
Back stab him before he powers up and you'll be good.
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>>160607574
The descriptions talk about this. Old hunter weapons were brutal and complicated. New hunter weapons are more straightforward because Ludwig started recruiting common rabble.

>>160608095
He has an aura that deflects bullets. I think it's only active when his sword is in the ground and it's raining swords? You can cancel that by shooting or attacking the sword. I'm not 100% sure because I always backstab him when he tries to power up, and that skips phase 2 entirely.
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>>160606881
>>160606821
>>160606505
>>160605776
>>160606885

Fucking bless you all. I just restarted and was not having fun with any of the weapons I was trying out (didn't want to replay with ones I'd already used before). I really looked over the Saw Spear but I'm enjoying the fuck out of it now.
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>>160608247
>Old hunter weapons were brutal and complicated. New hunter weapons are more straightforward because Ludwig started recruiting common rabble.
Is that so? Where does it mention that? Must have missed it.
Also I'm an idiot for mentioning the BoM and Burial Blade, as those are old weapons themselves
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>>160608348
You tried saw cleaver and didn't like it but you enjoy the saw spear?
Are you only "enjoying" it because it's the theoretical best weapon in the game? If so that's sad because then you wont find enjoyment in any other weapon
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>>160608480
Beastcutter, Saif, Yharnam hunter set. Probably mentioned in a few other places I'm forgetting.
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>after several tries I get Ludwig down to half of his life
>greenish glimmer of light slowly fills up right side of screen
>ludwig has an epic monologue and the background music is on point
>in the last cut you see moonlight sword in front of ludwigs face
>in that PERFECT moment ludwig starts to neigh
>mfw
I think my sides just got visceral'd
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>>160608482
I'm enjoying the moveset and the speed. I really hadn't used either cleaver or spear before. Found plenty of enjoyment with several other weapons but I was a little worried that I'd have to go back to them if I didn't find anything else.
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>>160608247
>>160608238
Fucking hell, I did not know that. I got him down to almost no health and I tried for a last parry and the fucker combo'd me to death.
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any friend for living failures? also down to co op for a bit afterwards

trying to get to the goddamn rakuyo before i go out today
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>>160608784
Holy shit fuck this guy. How the hell am I supposed to even track him when he literally jumps straight up and completely goes off screen?
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>>160609072
Depends on which jump.
For short jumps I rollspam, but if his jump takes longer I find running into any direction (straight) very useful.
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how do I bypass the gate that needs 10k echoes to buy the key? is it down in old yharnam?
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>>160609072
Have you fought any other enemy in the souls games that do leaps? just casually walk towards him and he he'll jump over you giving you a free backstab
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>>160609312
Either get 10k echoes or go fight the boss in Old Yharnam, then return to Oedon Chapel.
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>>160608095
He is immune to parries if you let him charge up his aura. He only does it once. If you see him take a knee then back stab him out of it. He won't try again, at least not that I have ever seen.

>>160609072
Time your rolls.
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>>160609312
yes
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Anyone wanna farm pthumerian elder frc for cold abyssals?
Pass bbg
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>Make legitimately difficult and interesting fight
>ruin it by making it easy to cheese
Hello Phtumerian Descendant.
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How does the Whirligig Saw compare to the Saw Cleaver
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>>160610057
Whirligig is only good if you have infinite stamina and someone else to distract the boss
Saw Cleaver is good at everything
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>>160609964
I would join anon but I'm at work
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>>160609514
>>160609424
>>160609282
Finally got the fucker after 8 tries after being more aggressive with parries. I don't even think I want to imagine doing this fight without parries.
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The shitty spike weapon is the biggest bullshit there is.
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fuck me I am doing the old hunter dlc and I came across this guy who kept on screaming at me and doing these jump dives and he took like negative damage and no matter how fuckign far I ran he would not stop chasing me.
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>>160610057
Staggers better and is a bit more fun in my opinion, Cleaver might have better DPS though. I honestly rarely use the Whirly's L2 and untricked mode.
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>>160610057
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>>160610609
Hello discord
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>>160610875
what
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>>160610609
>jump dives
what?
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>>160611054
I think he's talking about the Beast Claw hunter past the wheelchair house?
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does the r1 l1 l1 l1 r1 combo trick work for every weapon in the game?
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>>160611181
Yeah I am
Also
FUCK the dogs in this dlc they move so fast, do so much damage and I can hit them because they love to jump around
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fuck me I am doing the old hunter dlc and I came across this guy who kept on screaming at me and doing these jump dives and he took like negative damage and no matter how fuckign far I ran he would not stop chasing me.
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>>160611330
Yes, but some of them suck.
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>>160610609
>>160611570
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fuck me l am doing the old hunter dlc and I came across this guy who kept on screaming at me and doing these jump dives and he took like negative damage and no matter how fuckign far I ran he would not stop chasing me.
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Fucking Ludwig, give me a second to breath.
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>>160611709
>>160611570
why are you guys doing this
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fuck me l am doing the old hunter dlc and l came across this guy who kept on screaming at me and doing these jump dives and he took like negative damage and no matter how fuckign far I ran he would not stop chasing me.
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>>160610447
>The shitty spike weapon is the biggest bullshit there is.
Specify?
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>>160611851
Probably the Bloodletter.
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>>160611851
>>160611898
ye
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So was this everyone's first reaction to Red Jelly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOA6UapT628
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fuck me l am doing the old hunter dlc and I came across this guy who kept on screaming at me and doing these jump dives and he took like negative damage and no matter how fuckign far l ran he would not stop chasing me.
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I thought the moon was supposed to be red after you beat Rom. Why is it still white in Cainhurst? Is this another world/time?
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>>160604604
WHAT WEAPON IS THAT
THATS LIKE SOME ARMORED CORE SHIT
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>>160611931
No.
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>>160612007
Probably because the effect is localized to Yharnam. I don't think the rest of the world is experiencing the same eldritch shit.
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>>160611931
someone post enb's reaction where he breaks down and cries
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>>160612073
Stake Driver
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>>160612007
Cainhurst does seem to be in its own world. Remember the carriage that brought you there? As soon as you arrive the bridge behind you seemed to be destroyed and weathered for a long time and the horses and long dead and rotten. Carriage has come apart as well, as though it all happened long ago.
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This is the only Soulsesque game I've played. Are there references to Dark/Demon's Souls in BB?
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>>160612007
>3840x2160

What's going on here? Does the PS4 Pro upscale automatically for all games?
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>>160612372
Patches, I guess
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>>160612194
literally didn't happen.

And why would it even happen? Red Jelly wasn't a surprise to ENB he wrote the fucking guide, plus that stuff happened months after game released, he was never "confronted" with Red Jelly post-miscarrisge.
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>>160612372
There's an annoying faggot character in BB who shares a name with the same annoying faggot character in all the other Souls games.
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>>160612372
Patches, Moonlight Sword.
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>>160612508
>miscarriage

Wait, what? His Japanese was pregnant a second time and lost it?
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>>160612508
ah i see
i must have fell for an epic bbg meme
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>>160612126
Old yharnam is also free from the blood moon
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>>160612558
>>160612526
>>160612436

Bastard of Loran. Isn't that a place in DaS?
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>>160612761
No, the place is called Lordran.
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>>160612814
Ah right.
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>>160610609
>>160611570
>>160611709
>>160611832
>>160611953
What a sad "raid" discord.
Try something more amusing next time.
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>>160608579
[HORSE NOISES]
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>>160612959
I dont even know what happened, I was the one who said the original thing and then people started reposting it.
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>be a massive pussy who can't handle any horror shit
>go through most of BB fine
>get to Upper Cathedral Ward
>that creepy as fuck music
>darkness everywhere

I always did my first playthrough in every Souls game solo but I might actually give in and do co-op this time lads.
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>>160613106
You were fine in the Hidden Village?
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>>160612007
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>>160612641
He laughed when he saw the Red Jelly, but he did say that the themes of Bloodborne made him uncomfortable due to the miscarriage and ruined his enjoyment of the game.
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>Kill priest dog
>go to dream to level up
>get an item
>warp to cathedral ward
>see an item i missed
>get a rad set with a tophat
>get kidnapped by some giant fucking hand
>am back at cathedral ward but its light outside

this game is weird
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>>160613220
That hood looks so out of place
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>>160613106
If you want some company, hit me up famygdala, it's my favourite area
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>>160612412
ya
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>>160613398
I'm using Hendryks now anyway.
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>>160613313
seems like you entered the DLC by accident
What are the chances?
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>>160613313
Keep going, you'll see fun things
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>>160613313
That's the DLC my man, you're in the Hunter's Nightmare
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>>160612508
The guy talks down bloodborne because of all the "baby" shit and says it's a bad game because of it.
Fuck enb
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>>160612508
>ENB
>miscarriage
What happened?
What
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>>160613471
>>160613502
>>160613536
I'm getting shredded by some faggot with a whip
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>>160613154
Hidden Village was more grotesque than creepy to me. Upper Cathedral Ward is just ominous as hell.

>>160613428
I'll let you know famalam. I might try to go through it at least once
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>>160613565
He didn't say that it's bad, just that it made him uncomfortable

>>160613567
His wife had two miscarriages
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Explain why you don't own this yet.
No excuses.
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>>160613646
I found Gaol terrifying and Upper Cathedral Ward a little spooky. I think it was the music though.
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>>160611330
You can chain L1 into L1 on almost every weapon (Boomhammer, Tonitrus, Logarius Wheel, and regular Beast Claws are the exceptions), but it's not a particularly good sequence for most weapons.
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>>160613702
Two? Thought it was just one.

>>160613618
Sounds like the DLC alright.
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>>160613702
Damn, that's hard. I can see how that might make BB's abort eldritch baby subplot unpleasant for him.
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>>160613839
I don't need board games, they're for social people.
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>>160613839
>based on chalice dungeons
>no one to play with
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Did I listed all the unique weapons to certain builds?

BLT: Chikage/BloodLetter
SKL: Rakuyo/RifleSpear/Reiterpallasch/Burial Blade/Blade of Mercy
STR: Beast Cutter/Boom Hammer/Hunter's Axe/Amygdala Arm
ARC: Everything else given the right gems

Honorable Mentions: Logarius Wheel/Beast Claw/Simon's Bowblade (Hesistant to say if these are viable in more than 1 build or viable with QUALITY)

ENB needs to let it go
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>>160614131
>>160614152
>not owning it and playing with yourself
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>>160614161
Church Pick is a skill weapon
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So I killed a boss about 6 hours ago and got an item called a chalice. I read the item and decided to make one and I'm currently on Lower Phtu-something layer 2? The difficulty in this game ramped up significally. I do like no damage and most enemies one shot me. The last boss I fought where these 3 guys and it took me almost 2 hours to beat, and 1 and 45 minutes of it was me hitting one and running away and repeating until they were dead, what the fuck

i heard the souls games were hard but fuck me dude, to make things worse is everytime i get some souls to level up i fucking lose them
im a level 10 and i think im done for today
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>>160614259
It gets worse, believe me.
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>>160614161
>gets cucked
>real men know how to roll with the punches
okay
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>>160614252
Thanks man, I just wanted to make sure which weapons I'm limited to
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>>160614225
I'm playing with myself right now, anon
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>>160614259
If things are too hard, perhaps it's some indicator that you're somewhere you shouldn't yet be.

Lower Pthumeru is about the same difficulty mid-game content, maybe a little harder. Come back later and it'll be much better.
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>>160614398
Add Whirligig Saw to the STR list and Threaded Cane to the Skill list
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>>160614398
Saif as well. Pretty sure there's several more weapons for other builds. Strength could use almost everything with Heavies.
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>>160614259
You are significantly underlevelled for Lower Pthumeru and fair fucking play for getting through Central atlevel 10, you fucking madman.

You're getting drops called 'tempering bloodgems' and stuff like that. They increase your damage. You can slot them into weapons in the Hunter's Dream at the desk with all the weapons on it, it's near the back. The more you upgrade your weapon, the more bloodgem slots you get, the more damage you can do with that weapon.

Take some time to do the main story and level up normally, then go back into the chalices.
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>>160614472
>If things are too hard, perhaps it's some indicator that you're somewhere you shouldn't yet be.
I hate when people say this. I know you're trying to "help" but you actual make things progressively worse for people new to the game. They'll take anything that is giving them a "challenge" and think "Oh, maybe I'm not supposed to do this yet -- I should go grind and come back." You lose all sense of satisfactions if instead of overcoming an obstacle you brute force it with sheer numbers instead.
>>
So Ive been playing the DLC for a little bit. I got to Ludwig. Is he like the final boss of the dlc or something? If so this is an extremely short dlc.
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>>160614823
No.
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>>160614823
He isn't even the last boss of the first area of the DLC
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>>160614823
There's 5 bosses, he's the first one.
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>learn phase 1 of ludwig on bl4
>do something stupid on phase 2
everytime
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So Visceral Attacks scale with SKL. Does that mean that it has the same diminishing returns as the stat after 50 SKL?
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Could anyone help me cheese Defiled Amy?

This build doesn't meet the requirements for the best cheese weapons.

Pass is: aids
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>>160614161
You have got it all wrong.
Bt: Chikage, Bloodletter, Bowblade, Reiterpallasch, Riflespear
Str: Kirkhammer, Whirligig, untricked wheel
Skl: Rakuyo, Blades of Mercy, Threaded cane
Pure arc: anything really
Str/arc: tricked wheel, hms, tonitrus, boomhammer, marginally amy arm
Quality: Ludwigs, Stake driver
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>>160613885
Saif would have been awesome if it wasn't for that annoying backstep when midst transforming for the first time
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>>160615194
>BLT
>Riflespear/Reiterpallasch
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>>160615191
I am on my way, friend
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>>160614857
>>160614910
>>160614919
Ah sweet. level 48 is good for him right? I seem to be doing good dmg.

I wanna play with you guys but I wanna do my first run mostly solo
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>>160615397
Yeah, your level is fine. What's most important really is a good weapon, and if you're doing good damage, you'll be set.
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>>160614365
??
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>>160615149
I just beat him and I find first phase was way harder than phase 2. but goddamn his fuckingAoE bullshit is annoying as hell. I don't want to imagine how bad it is on bl4.
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>>160615154
Viscerals mainly scale with SKL but also get stronger with your BL, albeit by a extremely minor amount.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/32so9i/visceral_attack_level_breakpoints_and/
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>>160615397
Seems kinda low but if you're comfortable sure. I'd recommend 25-30+ Vit at least with a +6-10 weapon.
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>>160615397
You're going to die.
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>>160615557
Yeah I was planning on leveling up my Vit.
Right now I have 23 Vit, 17 End, 22 Str, 20 Skill.
I have a +6 Saw Cleaver, that has been doign amazing dmg.
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>>160615512
I've never done the DLC before. I should have taken my higher level character here first to learn phase 2 rather than my bl4. I still need to kill Rom on him
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>>160615535
Thanks for the info & link
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>>160615337
On 50 blt they hit like a truck anyway. And they let you get cheeky viscerals powered by your presumed 25skl which also makes them pack reasonable punch.
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>>160615191
You still need help famarama? You at the lamp or fog?
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>>160615839
Im at the stairs, just before the fog
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>>160615673
That's good, definitely focus on Vit. I'd ignore End or keep it at 18-20 with a Stamina Rune.
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Anyone have those skinnybob sliders?
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Nothing more comfy than hanging out with a mate out of state and both of you playing BB side by side.
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>>160614724
It's less "go grind and come back when you're way too strong" and more "that's later game content, maybe wait on this until later."

It's like the Catacombs in Dark Souls. Strictly speaking, you can go there right off the bat. But you really shouldn't, because it's way harder than anything else available at that point in the game.
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>>160615929
Sorry about that, anon, one of the explosions caught me

Will I ring again?
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>>160615839
ringing again...

he had just 10% health left too.
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>>160581221
I think about starting over because I enjoy the first half of the game and the dlc, sadly this game suffers from the same thing DaS1 suffered from where the second half is terrible (post rom/post lord vessel)
I don't fiddle with sliders I use defaults
I just name my character 1, 2, 3 etc.
I think of a weapon I'd like to use or build, but it's mostly me thinking about a weapon. I go 25 STR first then 25 SKL then level up the stat that scales better in the weapon I want to use.
I usually just use Saw Cleaver until I get the weapon I want (usually a dlc weapon)
I do amelia -> DLC > get to hamlet and get 3x 22.3% phys up gems > finish rest of game > do orphan
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>>160615591
Over... And over... Again... Without even knowing why... Pshhh
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>>160616712
>DaS 2
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>>160613313
i died to a horse with a great sword
im gonna go to bed
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>>160615557
Fighting Ludwig when you can die in two shots is an experience, let me tell you.
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>>160616547
Ringing, it's a taking a while, though...
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>there are people in this very thread who level Vitality
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>>160617176
>there are people in this very thread who level anything
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>>160617052
i've reset my bell
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So when I use Hunters Mark do I not get to pick up my Echoes?

Also how do I get my Blood Vials to heal for more?
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>>160617176
I like to level bit on my first run, then never again. I can beat the whole base game at starting but, but I just got the DLC and the bosses are whupping me.
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any friend for Living Failures? I'll help with whatever after/I'm just down for some co-op in general

I'm tryna get rakuyo before i go out today
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>>160617365
leveling bt makes you heal more i think
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>>160617365
Your vials always heal 40% of your health.
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>>160617470
Let me kill them myself first, then I am glad to help you
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>>160617607
sounds good! happy to join you if it helps.
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>>160617365
Those echoes are gone for good.

The Radiance oath rune boosts how much you heal from a blood vial.
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Will seriously give you a handjob If someone can showrme where to get some decent poor man's gems before FRC dungeons
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>>160617809
seconded, i'll even spit on it
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>>160617809
They are dropped by Ghosts arnt they?

Try farming one in an early chalice dungeon to see how decent the gems are. I know for a fact that there is a ghost right next to the Madman that drops 16.5% +15 flat flat gems. If Ghosts count as cursed, they should be fantastic, but if they are uncursed then Lumpy/Madman gems will likely give higher %'s.
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Is living failure regarded as kin? What is optimal setup for them?
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>when amygdala starts spamming its jump
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>>160617809
Snail girls drop em, don't know how good they are. Ghosts in Defiled might drop cursed ones, there's a ghost in layer 2.
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Why did The Orphan weep?
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>>160618282
Yes

Thrust weapon with bolt paper, or just a bolt weapon if you're an arcane build.

Rapid poison also does work against them, but you'd have to build for that and it's really not worth the trouble building for an already easy boss fight.
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>>160617052
Jesus Christ
Got him

Thanks man
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>>160618396
Oh thank fuck! Glad to help, anon, sorry I died back there
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>>160618323
That's free headshots bro. I get fucking pissed when he doesn't jump
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>>160618282
Bolt damage, Thrust damage, or Rapid Poison. Tricked Church Pick with Bolt Paper + BB Pellets or any Bolt weapon for Arc.
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>>160618340
Snail girls drop 18% gems, The Winter Lanterns nearby drop 22% Temperings. There is never any reason to use a snail girl gem.Fishing Hamlet and Defiled Chalice armt exactly "early" either.
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>when you roll out of Ludwig's charge and his model collides wirh yours dragging you back into the active hitbox of the charge
Worst part of the fight 2bh
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>>160617470
still need help with the Failures?
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So I was farming around in Yahar'gul and fought the Darkbeast Paarl.
What was the point of even fighting him. The shortcut at his lantern seems very useless.
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>>160618710
Djura friend
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>>160618710
Befriend Djura.
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>>160617752
Alright bro, finally beat him. Let me know where you ring and what the pass is
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>>160618784
>>160618751
Oh I just looked him up.
I already killed Djura a LONG time ago.
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>>160618234
I'll visit her when I wake up and see if she drops cursed
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>>160619206
Well, at the very least you're now somewhat prepared for the Loran Darkbeast later down the line.
You're never gonna be fully prepared for the Loran Darkbeast.
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>>160619439
I've never had any trouble with Loran Darkbeast. At all. By the time you reach him, your build should pretty much be set, and then it's just a case of standing under him and swinging at his legs.

He doesn't hit hard, and he doesn't hit fast enough to combo you. Just stay underneath him and keep your health topped off. I legit don't think I've ever died to Loran Darkbeast, and i've killed him on each of my 5 builds and in co-op at least a dozen times.
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FC WHEN
FC WHERE
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>>160619749
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>>160619850
>When
20 minutes
>Where
Have we fought in Isz recently?
No?
Let's go with Isz.
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>>160619850

Is there gonna be one this week? Seems like general thread activity has been down all week.
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>>160620132

The last three have been Pthumerian, Isz and then Loran

If you wanna rotate then it should be Pthumerian but meh, whatever people wanna do
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>>160620154
There is always a FC.
Always.
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>>160618395
>>160618516
Thank you. I looked too late into the thread but I could beat him without it. But I plan an arcane build sometime so that will still help me.
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>>160617365
Why use Blood Vials when Blood Rapture exists?
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>>160620867
If your'e ever gonna go for ARC then it's 99 Arc or bust.
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Fugg :DD. Almost had Bloody Mary in my 1st try club
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>>160621392
99 arc? That is madness!
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>>160621675
It is madness. Don't do it.

Go 50 or 70.
>>
FC IN ISZ

GET IN HERE CUNTS
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>>160621675
It is madness. Do it.
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>>160621834
70 is the real meme number.
After you hit 50 arc you don't get any substantial bonus until you reach 80+.
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What do against maria's bloody thrust attack? I seem to have the wrong timing and always fuck up
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>>160623527
70 is good for Tiny Tonitrus and 1-800-BEYOND

So yeah it's a meme
>>
Is the Fist of Gratia viable to any damage at all, even at +10?
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>>160623778
Stay very, very close.
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I'm falling in love with this game all over again.
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>>160623865
no
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>>160623865
Fist of Gratia is the only weapon in the game that is completely useless. Don't even try to upgrade it.
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>>160624000
>>160624041
Damn shame. I'm making an arcane brawler at the moment with no milkweed parasite, was hoping to have something useful in my left hand.
>>
>want to pvp
>FC is full of meme builds and tryhards

to the nightmare then
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>>160624252
>tryhards
probably not as hard as you think my man
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>>160624252
>fun is not allowed
>trying to win is not allowed
What's left?
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>>160624252
>He thinks Frontier and Mensis are any less tryhards
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>>160622502
What's the glyph?
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>>160625195
9v8qndas
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>>160613839
I'm a fa/tg/uy and that game is 2casul4me
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Is FC active? Not gonna be home for a while
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>there are people right now in this thread who still say Kosm
Just fucking end your sorry existence, Kosmfags. Trump won.
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>>160625337
There's a few in here now, but you'll want more to show if you want it to be a longer FC
>>
>kill host
>victory message
>another one comes up and kills me that clearly wasn't a phantom
SPOOKY
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>get to Yahargul
>go to the place where there are 3 NPC hunters
>try to aggro each one individually to kill them
>attack one guy down the stairs
>he telepathically calls the other 2 over

Epic. Just fucking epic

Most NPC hunters in this game are pure cancer.
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>>160625412
Typical Hillary voter, forces themselves into the mainstream. It's Kosm. Trump won.
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>>160626162
Trump said Kos in the interviews
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>>160625947
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>>160626162
>being driven this mad by the blood
It's Kos you fucking pleb, you're the reason America isn't great right now. Trump won.
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>People still think Kos(m) is relevant
kek, Amygdala is the true path to enlightenment
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>>160626750
Shup up Patches
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>>160625947
Run all the way back to the lamp. There's a point where two will drop off and you can face one at a time.
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>>160626236
>spreading this much leftist socialist propaganda about Mother Kosm

Stay mad, Shillary. Trumpsm won.

>>160626647
Trumpsm won, Kosfag,
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>>160625423

Is the Great Mercure present? I would like to do battle with that transgender person.
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>>160626996
You're as bad as the Bernygdala faggots.
Killm yourselfm. Trump won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGfOWZ9IHj4
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>politics

Well, skipping FC then. See you fags next week.
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>>160627546
>skipping FC
>because of people talking about politics in the thread
>people who aren't even FCing

???
>>
>>160627546
>politics

Nigger read the posts, it's jokes
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>>160627546
>>160627667
guys just shitpost in between duels like me
>>
That's the third saif I encounter today. Maybe I should go to bed
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>>160628670
Why?
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>>160628730
Because I don't know how to deal with them
>>
First death of the day was a trade, nice job beast claw guy.
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>>160628848
Beatsy is a fine woman
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>>160628827
Hit them until the die.
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>>160628670
I have a pocket saif I have yet to pull out. I will pull it out in hope of fighting you
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>>160628827
Just... dodge them? Saifs don't really require any special tactics to fight. It's not like a letter or anything where you need to not dodge into it, or like a saw where you just lose unless you also have one.

They're best at rushdown and chasing passive people, so just don't be a defensive bitch when you see a saif.
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>>160629013
But I always die first

>>160629035
Please no

>>160629060
I'd rather fight a saw, at least the phantom range is predictable
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>this chamber was not made for one alone
DOSHIOU.

Where do I find the ring?
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Alright what in the fuck are these things. They are terrifying.

Also I decided to make a throwaway twitter so I can share some of my first playthrough ever with y'all sometimes.
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>>160629437
don't ask
just play the game and pay attention. you'll figure it out.
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>>160629437
>being scared of these cute little ayys
They are just adorable, anon
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>>160629437
Looks like a chill dude just trying to relax in the woods, man. Why'd you kill him?
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>>160629437
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>>160629437
Thanks for the throwaway twitter, first playthroughs are neat
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>>160629498
I know that there area like aliens or something in this game. SOmethign like aliens idk. That is like the only spoiler I know. Eldritch stuff.

>>160629608
>>160629624
>Those beady eyes
I don't think so

Also I am the guy that killed the first 3 bosses first attempt. I love this game
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>>160629374
Found it.
>My worth is too big.
Is that like saying that she wants to be friends?

BRB joining the church fags.
>>
FC is always fun until run into a discord shitter with saw spear.
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Oooh a boss fight.
Wish me luck Boys.
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Nice Hat, that was close, too bad I accidentally put my bloodletter away then had to retransform it.
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>>160630417
If you're the guy who beat the first three bosses first try, I'm wishing those poor blighters the luck, to be quite forthright
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>>160630417
It's alright if you want to share but try to keep at a minimum
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>>160630417
Holy shit, so it turns out, in that pic where I am standing, if I took one more step I triggered the boss fight, I assumed the fight was on the other side of that fog wall.

I beat the Shadows on the first try!
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>>160630151
Chikage is the Discord weapon, not Spear
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>>160630870
>>160630151
I thought it was the saif. Didn't the discord comitee ban it from fcs?
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>farmed over 200 dregs this weekend so far
Are we alive again?
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>>160630965
There's no such thing as a Discord committee, it was just one faggot shitposting.
The rules of our Fight Club are in the OP.
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>>160630965
>banning the saif
Then you also need to ban the Bloodletter and Burial Blade.
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>>160631121
>Burial Blade

THATS a new shitpost. Whats your problem with the BB?
>>
>>160631121
And the Church Pick, Chikago and every Saw
>>
>>160631121
And everything else.
>>
>>160631121
I know you're just shitposting, but why those two?
>>
/bbg/ seems to have a problem with anything they are killed by
>>
I am having trouble with laurence. even more trouble than kos. It doesn't happen until his 2nd form when he loses his legs. I just get behind him before and steam roll right through him, but now the lava prevents it.

not sure how to fight him now.
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>>160631410
Soon the meta will be fists only, unlimited vial use.
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>>160631610
>fists
Pebles are the way to go
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>>160631605
Don't get behind him anymore in phase 2.
Dodge the big swipes and lava. Do not get caught in his forward attack chain, dodge left.
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>>160629437
You think that's nasty? Wait til you get past the woods.

Glad to hear you're enjoying the game, anon
>>
Fucking saw faggots need to go back to whatever Gamefaqs or reddit sjw hole they came from
>>
>Snail girls at Fishy Hamlet have a grab atack
L-Lewd
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>>160632056

Saw or Saif? Make up your mind.
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>>160632056
>Everyone spent all week saying that saif is worse to fight than saws
>Mad people switched their saifs out for saws

ya'll need to make up your damn minds
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What's the highest amount of people you can have in one instance? You can get 2 summons, 2 invaders, and a host. Is there any way to get more people in there?
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>>160631914
Shit dude you were right, I wasn't planning on fighting a mix between the Human Nerve System and the Gaping Dragon.
Also what is that on the top of my screen, that bar.
Is that that frenzy thing I've seen talked about or something. It hasn't ever filled yet.
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>>160632908
It will be.
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>First Playthrough Blogger in the thread
Mate fuck off don't get spoiled.
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I need opinions on my options
>stay at 140 and just FRC chalice co-op / do highest NG+'s, keep alien build

>revert save, losing alien build in the process but have properly leveled quality build

>make new quality character, re-grind my perfect gems / every +10 lost weapon I have (all of them), keep alien build
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>>160633214
I should mention that the quality build is the 140 one, and the alien build is a separate character that I made between my last backup and the current save.
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Please god no. I have seen pics of the spider boss in this game.
I am not prepared for what I assume will be the next boss.

>>160630618
I'll try to post only stuff I find interesting or before some bosses.
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>>160633214
Why would you want Lost weapons on a quality build?
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>>160633357
I have the perfect slots for every weapon (rad, rad, triangle) for physical. Most of them end up being the Lost versions, if memory serves correctly there's only two / three "regular" and one "uncanny" versions for that.
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>>160633326
Alright Cool, Rom, The Vacuum Spider was a total pushover.
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>>160633214
>>160633357
So, no real opinions? I recognize 140 as very overleveled, but the intention was to see what kind of AR I could get everything to at hard capped str/skill with the best gems, use any weapon I wanted, and do the highest NG+s without torturing myself. I guess I should just keep it and continue pushing my NG+ up, plus getting only depth 4/5 chalices when I randomly SRRC is a bonus. Remaking is appealing for the co-op aspect of things, but the gem farming later on is really discouraging.
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>>160632908
That's Frenzy alright. If you pick up sedatives anywhere, hold on to them, you'll find out why later.
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>>160634214
desu level to 240.

Everybody should have a 240 to fuck around on.
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>>160634214
Co-op during your gem farming, people are usually interested for any co-op here.
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>>160633326
>Rom is scary
Boy are you going to be in for a suprise later
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>>160634214
NG+ isn't hard at all, FCR chalices are worse. Might as well go for 240 and SRRC root dungeons
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H-hi there big guy

There are a dozen of these guys outside holy shit

>>160634425
He actually wasn't. See, I expected a spider when I was going to fight him which is why I got spooked. Not a cute oversized beetle with Spider Babies.
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>>160634395
I can use any physical weapon totally effeciently at 140, and get the most out of anything utilizing the str / skill scaling gems I have. For example, I've never heard anybody having a higher AR on church pick than my gem setup with it. I also have 15 ARC / 10 tinge for base req on most arcane tools / reiterpallasch and rifle spear. It was my first character that was intended for testing, which is the same as what you're saying a 240 would be for, but after the gem grind I realized that it's best to just keep playing it anyway.

>>160634424
That honestly just makes it so much slower though.

>>160634538
I'm way past NG+ on that character, I believe I'm at 5 now with every intention of hitting 7. I already get nothing but depth 5 with the occasional 4 when I hit the SRRC so there's that. I just feel weird being at 140 when I've always been a SL100 kinda guy with all other souls games.
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>>160634682
probably shouldn't feel bad about being 140, considering you can use anything you want and the game is dead anyway. not like you're trying to get invaded or anything.
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>>160634561
Sorry I misread that but I was referring to the other giant spider
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>>160632908
>tfw it does fill
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>can't get gender variants of clothing in the messenger shop

Fuck it all.
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>>160634561
Let him grab you!
>>
to pay for ps+ or not to pay for ps+
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>>160635157
You might as well wait for the next saturday FC
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>>160635157
To kill yourself, or not to kill yourself?
Get PS+ if you really enjoy BB and think you'll get into some co-op and PVP. I think it's worth it.
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>>160635157
Pros: /bbg/ funtimes with co-op, invasions, FCs, discounts on PSN stuff

Cons: gotta pay, but it's not much every month and you can cancel at any time, or get a year's subscription
>>
>>160561306
For any consolefags who also frequent /dsg/, here's how i share my screenshots:
>get playstation phone app
>create throwaway PS account
>message screenshots to throwaway account
>download from phone app

The throwaway twitter makes them shit quality and the flash drive would be a pain bc i rarely post from my computer
>>
>>160635238
i haven't played in a year, i'd probably just want some spelunking buddies
>>
Are you interested in some FRC depth 5 chalices / high NG+ co-op guys? Your responses will help decide if I buy PS+ for the first time in a year.
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>>160635067
I have made, a TERRIBLE mistake.

>>160635320
I was thinking of doing that, I'll try it out. I downloaded the app yesterday in hope I could access my screenshots there. I couldn't.
>>
>>160635320
If you replace :large with :orig at the end of twitter image urls, you get the full sized image.
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>>160635432
sounds scary
>>
>>160635432
Absolutely. FRC spelunking is pretty fun.
>>
To prevent "ban xyz" shitposts, maybe fc should have a theme. I know it will be quite hard, but that's the best I could think of
>>
>>160635432
Totally
>>
>>160635681
i wish you would theme yourself as a corpse tbqh
>>
>>160635432
Yep
I go through FRC roots for fun more than I do PVP
>>
>>160635432

High NG+? For sure

FRC? nah, shit's lame
>>
>>160635651
>>160635750
>>160635872
>>160636093
Well, I guess I'll update my PS4 and give Sony some money.
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>>160636295
it was all a scam, we are sony
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>>160636923
Shhh
>>
Anyone up for Lower Loran Abhorent Beast?

Pass: bbg
>>
Help a squid get it's tentacles. Ringing at lantern, pass is kosm
>>
>>160637145
I'll try to SRRC in.
>>
>>160637426
If you're still looking for help, I'm booting up
>>
>>160637145
Sieg Thanks lads.

Mind helping out with the Loran Darkbeast as well?
>>
So should I make an FRC depth 5 or do you want to co-op Gehrman / moon presence and start up my next NG+? It will be +3 or +4 I can't honestly remember.
>>
>>160638108
Sure, I'll be right over.
>>
>come back to BB
>highest note is almost at 600 Fine ratings
>>
>>160635681
I tried to get a church vs powderkeg themed fc going and got shat on. I'm not sure why, I think it would be a lot of fun. Executioner vs vileblood, HoH vs blood addled. Would be fun bros.
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>>160638293
What does it say?
>>
>>160638108
>>160638205
Or not.
Christ, I remember SRRC being faster than this.
>>
>>160638471
"Despicable Ambush" at the first mob after the Central Yharnam lanter, where he bursts through the boxes. Alternately, I have one at 250 fines in Yahar'gul that says "those with faith will be spared"
>>
>>160638293
This >>160638471
Don't leave us in suspense. I have a medical condition.
>>
>>160638587
we made an attempt

didnt know if you were still in or not
>>
Give us yer highest rated messages /bbg/

I've got one in Nightmare Frontier with 800+ that says 'fear ambush' in the little tunnel with the silverbeasts leading to the area with the rock yetis.
>>
>>160638587
>>160638713
either way
we'll make sure to wait a bit longer this time
>>
So...co-op?
>>
>>160637853
Thank you, he was trashing me all over the place.
>>
>>160636923
>>160637004
Weren't even lying..

>>160638203
>>
>>160639019
Always glad to help, m8.

I almost panicked when he summoned 2 bolts within mere seconds of each other. I got hit by the first, and was sure to die had I been hit with the second
>>
>>160621834
is 70 a softcap or something?
>>
Whats the dub besides english? Feel like playing through the game in another language
>>
>>160639183
French, Spanish. Probably another or 2 don't remember.
>>
>>160638879
Alright, I'll try again
>>
>>160638108
>>160638205
>>160638587
>>160638713
>>160638879
>>160639339

Got him
Blood Cocktail baught me enough time
Thanks Adolf
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Okay, this looks pretty big so I guess here comes a boss.
Also I'm using the message method to get these pictures now.
>>
>>160639593
Nice, well done.
Sorry I wasn't able to help out this time.
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>>160639770
It's a boss, don't expect much.
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>>160639593
Good work. Downscaling really messed me up, his limbs took way longer to break than they normally would.
>>
Anybody still FCing?
>>
>>160639856
Yeahh He was pretty easy. First try.
Although the bell ladies were pretty annoying spamming that fire shit.
>>
>>160639871
>hitler
>in anything but constable's garb
>wielding anything but a kirkhammer or ludwig's
>>
I'm trying to change game for a while but other games feel so bland compared to bb

any suggestions ?
>>
>>160640323
path of exile
>>
I have arrived to the Nightmare of Mensis and there are little sneks jumping at me trying to kill me. They're cute!
>>
>>160640106
You can kill them during the fight. Good luck with the Meme man.
>>
>>160640323
Play something totally different.

I'm having fun with caveman antics in Far Cry Primal, it's a good looking game and the setting is pretty unique, don't see many stone age settings out there. The level of detail put into the dialects the different tribes speak is impressive. Exploring caves by torchlight is great fun, finding cave paintings and stuff. It's fun for just exploring.
>>
>>160640571
Help, now there are not cute blades stabbing me non stop from no where filling up my Frenzy bar.
This will be fun. I am really really enjoying this game.
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>>160640728
>From nowhere
Ahaha. Oh boy.
>>
>>160640571
Jam a cheap fire gem onto your weapon and you won't have to deal with them
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>>160640323
Horror games, the older ones are usually good.
>>
>>160640218
Decorative Old Hunter > Constable
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>>160640728
Use the too cute rocks as cover and skip from one to the next. One you get across the neato bridge, life will be good!
>>
>>160640783
As I was typing that I was assuming it was probably from that Castle. I was right.
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>>160640323
I replay Okami every year or so, and it's always a refreshing feeling. Hell, even something simple like Mario Kart really helps.
>>
>>160640352
>>160640825
>>160640698

I think I'll just replay Onimusha 1-3 with my husbando jean reno and come back for a BB playthrough

I got 2 months off work you see
>>
What's the gen setup for a 15 skill 50 tinge chikage
Should I use lost or normal
>>
NG+ something something Orphan anybody?
>>
>>160641057
Full 31.5% Korean autism gems, regular if you get a good Triangle before 2 good Radials or Lost if you don't.
>>
>>160641057
Normal has two radials and a triangle, which are probably the easiest to fill with 27.2% physical gems. If you happen to be Korean and only want to use half the moveset for an additional ~15% BLT, go lost.
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>>160641267
What level are you at?
>>
>>160641401
140 and it's ng+3 I believe
>>
New thread:
>>160641461
>>160641461
>>160641461
>>160641461
>>160641461
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>>160641451
Not him but I'll get on and join. Give pass in the meantime
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>>160641506
bbg
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>>160641554
About to ring at fog
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>>160641685
give me just a moment, as I posted I got summoned to a random's orphan
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>>160641723
Here and ringing. No rush though so take your time
>>
>>160640218
My old Hitler was in Constable's, but I decided to go with Grand King Hitler this time around.

As for the weapon, there's just something inherently funny to me about Hitler wielding a katana. I had to.

He's blt/arc anyway, I could slot arcane gems into a Kirk if I want to.
>>
>>160641809
Was fun, cheers.
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>>160643029
No worries. I was kind of surprised we managed on the first go considering it was NG+3 but good that we did.
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>>160643191
Yeah, he hit me for about 1k on one of those swings but it went fairly smoothly. I might start up my next NG+ tomorrow.
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>>160643268
Good luck with that
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