/agdg/ - ammosaurus gasosaurus dilophosaurus gargoyleosaurus

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>tfw two intelligent to use unity or gamemaker

>>160499952
>> Engines
>GameMaker: yoyogames.com/gamemaker
>Godot: godotengine.org
>Haxe: haxeflixel.com
>LÖVE: love2d.org
>UE4: unrealengine.com
>Unity: unity3d.com
Delete these

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>>160499952
>proprietary software in the OP

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SAY UNITY AGAIN I DARE YOU

>>160500248
unity

>>160500248

Unreal

>>160500248
U_godot

HEY, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT DE THAT COMES DEFAULT IN UBUNTU?

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>>160500265
>>160500285
>>160500314
>>160500370
REEEEE FUCKING GETT OUTTT DRAG AND DROPPERS

>>160500457
engine dev is for suckers

what do you call a gay t.rex?

a tyranno-sore-ass.

get it?

because he was buttfucked in the ass

>>160500520
as opposed to getting buttfucked in the mouth?

>>160500095
>>160500103
>>160500178
>>160500248
>>160500265
>>160500285
>>160500314
>>160500370
>>160500457
>>160500490
>>160500520
Goddamn shitposters, way to ruin a thread. Meanwhile, you shitposters are not making game, I have been learning a lot making Unity Editor extensions; made a Sequence Editor for cutscenes in my game, used RainTheory's RainAI for BT functionality, made a Event editor that works well with my Quest Editor, quests become available when certain events are fired in the world.

I'm making an RPG, name of the game, Generic RPG.

>>160500680
neeerrrrd

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>>160500680
>I have been learning a lot making Unity Editor extensions

>>160500680
>BT functionality,
What's that?

>>160500680
Post it?

>>160500671
I buttfuck all over. btw my four year old say this all the time I just repeat it.

>>160500713
Is that suppose to be an insult?
>>160500750
[Insert massive keks here]
>>160500753
Behaviour Trees
>>160500761
On phone and out and about, posting it later.

>>160500824
Typical normie phoneposter with no game

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>>160500680
>I have been learning a lot making Unity Editor extensions;

>>160500913
Nice argument you got there.

>>160500971
Unity has limitations, so to make it better suit my game's needs, I made some extensions to make a proper game.

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>>160501062
>typical unity user at his computer

>>160501098
Not that guy but what's the problem?

>>160501098
All you unity haters are trying a little to hard at this point.

>>160501140
He's shitposting, ignore him.

>>160500971
Oh right; don't forget the fact, the inspector doesn't how to deal with interfaces.

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>29 posts
>only 1 isn't cancer
>the 1 is still pretty dumb though
this might be a record, even for you guys

>>160501395
>posts a meta shitpost complaining about other shitposts
i bet you use unity

>>160500248
Ureafag

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I'm trying to set up a multiple save files system in GM, the way I've currently set it up is as such:
I have several buttons, when I click on any, it creates a corresponding save object in the next room and then checks whether the proper save.ini file exists, if it does, it reads from it, if not it just takes the default values and goes to the next room.
The save object that is created in the other room saves all relevant data when escape is pressed into the corresponding ini file and then destroys itself.
Now in theory what it should do is, when I click on any button, it should load up the correct save.ini that is assigned to it, however it doesn't seem to do so, it loads up the values for only the first button I click on and seems to assign the values to the other buttons as well and after 2 or so button clicks it just loads default values.
I've attached the code I'm using, all 3 buttons and saveobjects use the same code, with different .ini files.
Maybe someone has some ideas on this, or an idea on how this could be accomplished better.

>>160501395
>only 1 isn't cancer
Where is it? I don't see it.

>>160501395
>mfw I only see 6 posts
>I love 4chanX

>>160501645
>different .ini files
Wouldn't it be better, or at least more secure to have everything saved into the same ini? Having various inis seems like overkill to me. You could even save everything to the same encrypted string and then decrypt and split it in game to get the data. If you want to be it more secure you can insert random garbage here and there in the string too.

>>160501863
Hadn't considered putting things into one ini.
That's a nice idea, but doesn't solve my current problem.

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Just made a demo for my game.

Windows: http://ektomarch.com/BangaiWinNov2016.zip
Mac: http://ektomarch.com/BangaiNov182016.zip

L+R click does the super attack show in the webm. Everything else should be fairly self-explanatory.

Honest question: What's wrong with Unity?

>>160502340
Is popular and easy to use, and the assets store has a big amount of things you can pay for if you don't have the talent to make them so you'll have a lot of shovelware made with very little effort by very unexperienced people. That kills the reputation of Unity users.
Same thing with shitty Mario clones using Game Maker.

tl;dr nothing

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does this look obnoxious

>>160502689
I hate it when I have to squint

>>160502769
you on your phone?

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>>160502327
Looks familiar.

>>160502689
I have mixed feelings. The shadows of the environment are just too detailed compared to the pixel person.

>>160502992
the guys mostly a placeholder rn
mostly looking for comments on the lighting
is it too much?

>>160503082
Oh, is that so?

I find the lighting and the shadows pretty good, but maybe the lit area is too big. I mean it's almost the same size as the room, but I guess your original intention was to lit the place around the character.

>>160502689
how about an image without ridiculous banding?

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>>160503419

>>160502340
It doesn't have near the quality control and polish that it used to have. You can tell Epic is making them feel the heat

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since noone else is posting progress

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still need some cleaning up but alt costumes

>>160503903
that face is just a mess

>>160503929
How so? Just noticed I also fucked up the hands, Idk what the fuck i was doing there.

If you don't care for engine shitposting, join agdg discord
https://discord.gg/e2gHj

>>160504085
Why is it called agdg discord if the people there don't post in agdg?

>>160504021
is she looking in the opposite direction of where her body is facing?

>>160504160
why is this thread called agdg if 90% the people are shitposting instead of posting their games

>>160504168
Seems to be a standard anime battle pose

>>160503903
I thought that piece of hair to the left was her left eye

>>160504207
You didn't answer my question.

>>160504262
do you even have a game to show us?

>>160504324
You still haven't answered my question.

>>160504168
>>160504249
Thanks! I'll try and make it look less awkward I suppose.

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>>160504085
>proprietary software that requires an account
yeah, no

>>160504160
there are people in there who post their games here and people who don't
people who go to all those discords and other chats that originate on 4chan very often end up just stopping going to 4chan, but sticking around to the chats, which tend to keep their name because no-one bothers to change it

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got the gizmos to work correctly if the character is not at 0,0 also if they're scaleX is inverted

>>160504863
SDT version when?

>>160503903
I like it.

>>160504905
that's what I'm going for, but allowing the players to animate and share

>>160505087
my dick can hardly wait

>>160500248
UConstruct 2

>>160505485
My nig

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shitty-nintendo-clone-dev here
working on an enemy_targetting system still
decided to break off each individual mechanic into seperate programs for testings sake.

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fucking blender! reeeeeeee
did a load of texture painting last night and assumed blender would save my images....
of course it fucking doesn't, so i lost everything
fucking hell

Trap dev here, that makes three full days I was supposed to have finished the magic system of my game, and I just can't because of how I develloped.
Is it bad if I start my game again?
It's the second game I ever try to make so I'm not sure...

>>160506323
It literally doesn't matter how many times you do anything. We all die.

Just do what you want to.

>>160505082
>pixelart
>high resolution effects
disgusting

>>160505082
Wow, yes, it is indeed very juicy.

>>160506514
bullshit

>>160506086
Did you read the manual?

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Is Godot a legitimate engine to make games with, or is it just a meme project for hobbyists?

>>160506765
Godot is excellent. Especially if you're making 2d stuff.

>>160506765
people who use it praise it as god's second coming on earth, but there is no actual game out of it

>>160506956
I've shipped games to the app store with it.

No I wont post them here.

>>160507024
nodev

>>160506956
You have to take praising like that with a grain of salt, because the open source community often likes to do that.

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How do you guys feel about switching from the right asset to the left asset

>>160507691
Anything is probably better than the Madness Combat/Zero Punctuation look, but the asset on the left isn't great either. I don't like the white outline, and it needs finer details (which you're probably aware of and simply haven't gotten to yet, admittedly).

It's a start.

>>160507876
Nah I didn't make it, an artist who like my project did.

He's extremely good (you've almost sure either played or heard of a game he worked on) and this is the first thing he sent. But I feel it may be too toony,

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Does anybody have a somewhat finished 2D platformer project made in unity that I could take credit for creating so that I wouldn't need to create it myself? I want to work on my own game, not some shitty platformer assignment.

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these qt japanese high school girls have already finished a game, why haven't you aggydaggy?

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>>160508891
>asians
>cute

zoz

>unity

>>160508891
>not japanese
>not cute
>not girl

>>160509056
>emoji's on 4chan

yet he banned f.am and t.bh yet lets other meme shit get through

2 bombs weren't enough

>>160508795
do your own goddamn homework.

Noob here.

if i have two directional vector3's in unity how do I find angle between them.

I know this is the central angle of a circle, but for some reason my calculation is off

>>160508146
Its proportions are a bit exaggerated for my tastes, yes. Something more in line with the proportions of the placeholder character would be better, I'd think.

>>160510016
Thanks I think so too, I'll send it to him and see what he says.

Check here:

http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/317648/angle-between-two-vectors.html

>http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/317648/angle-between-two-vectors.html

is meant for

>>160509958

https://hexundev.tumblr.com/post/152836339493/new-code-design-since-im-going-for-a-scripting

what's the point off this?

is he planning on releasing those editors online?

>>160510519
>directx 9
what a waste of time

>>160509958
Vector3.Angle

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Since you're not going out like a normie tonight, what are you working on this weekend?

>>160511983
Practice art

>>160511983
I will look at instagram updates of my ex-coworkers

when in doubt just use screen shake

>>160512492
What is involved in cow orking?

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>>160511983
Eat, masturbate, watch tv series, actually dev for 30 minutes tops, masturbate, browse internet

So how do capes/hair/boob physics work? What do I have to do in blender and my game to make them happen?

>>160512779
Add bones

>>160512848
But how are they animated to move dynamically?

>>160512890
add physics to bones dummy

>>160512890
Depends on the engine.
You can use Apex/PhysX, UE4 has physics-based animation which you could probably use.

>>160506014
fyi, (though it might not be the kind of effect you're going for) you can use a decal component to project materials onto the world/other meshes if you're trying to do a targeting circle on the ground style effect

>>160513023
>>160513049
interesting, i'll have to look into this

thanks for the help earlier i ended up (partially) solving my issue

last question.

How do I tell if angle is "negative"

So I'm using Vector2.Angle, however that only gives me the absolute angle difference, I need to know if I should be positive when i'm moving my mouse right, and negative i'm going left. respective of player position

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All of the spells in my game are serialized as JSON and since I wanted their damage to be influenced by player stats such as level or int I figured that I'd write a math expression parser.
It was a fun exercise aside from one bug where I used the plus sign for a minus operator by accident.
Now all I have to do is plug it with my spell system and I'll be able to tweak the damage on the fly, should help when I get to making the actual spells.

>>160511983
Noise / terrain generating

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>>160511983
I settled on a loosely western setting so I'll be modeling stuff

>>160513079
I appreciate the comment
but this was all 100% placeholder
I'm actually going to go for either
an arrow above the targetted enemy, which bobs up and down gently
or
a tint aroun the enemy, either red or black

>>160513854
Awesome, this goes right into my 'things I like' folder

>>160514048
>an arrow above the targetted enemy, which bobs up and down gently
I suggest you study games like DMC, NG, Bayonetta, MGR, and so forth, in order to find something a bit better than "arrow that points at target enemy". The tint mite b cool though.

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>>160514141
thanks! I hope it'll be a while before I inevitably quit

>>160513854
That's some nice animation.

>>160514141
this is such a cringey post

gb2leddit

>>160514172
>DMC
which one?
>NG
never heard of this one
>MGR
metal gear rising?

>>160513341
nigga just google some vector math

>>160514251
Man I wish someone like you was making the art for my game
and I wish I was a good enough programmer to actually make that game

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>>160514375
>he doesn't have an inspiration folder

>>160514352
I strongly suggest you look up to other people, I'm honestly learning this as I go

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>>160510519
Cristian pls, that has nothing to do with my editors.
That's just the setup I'm using to use C++ scripting and reload scripts while the game is running.
https://youtu.be/_MI7cNu4pJQ

>>160510764
The D3D code is abstracted, none of the game code touches that. I can replace the renderer with something GL based in the future if needed but I have no motivation to right now since I can't even build for macs, not switching to GL for linux alone.

>>160506765
Sound engine has a 200ms delay bug

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>>160499952
>Friend dabbles with programming
>Wants us to start this dream project we've been talking about for well over a year now
>Ambitious rpg game
>I've made two shitty little games in gamemaker and I program small things for school and to learn. (Some C#, C/C++, Javascript)
>He hasn't made anything besides what he's had to make for self teaching books but he's good with math(C#/C++, some Java)
>I'm a semi decent artist, but neither of us know anything about 3D modeling
>He plays piano and I play guitar so we're also mediocre musicians

How fucked are we?

>>160514425
>which one
If you're considering a floating arrow as a lockon indicator then you need a complete history of good action games, so all of them.
>never heard of this one
Ninja Gaiden you muppet.
>metal gear rising?
Yes.

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>>160515126
Depends entirely on your conviction. Go for it buddy.

>>160513854
How are you doing the outline, is it a shader?

>>160515306
Probably just scaled and inverted normals.

>>160515346
would doing that double the polycount?

>>160515424
no it would half it

>>160515126
>but he's good with math
That's the best thing you can have for 3d Graphics Programming.

>>160514914
What's the setup of your renderer, do you pass every object to it and it renders them for you? Does every object have a pointer to the renderer and it passes itself?

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>>160515306
that's not ingame, it's just a blender post effect

I do have outlines in my previous project though and it's as >>160515346 describes

polycount doesn't really matter

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Fucking twinks I swear.

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>>160515505
Yeah, he's definitely going to have to take the lead when it comes to 3D programming, my knowledge is limited to basic trigonometry. But luckily I'm pretty good with logic and love the problem solving progress so I'm sure I can work my way through.

>>160515291
I have high conviction, hopefully his is high as well.

>>160515716
How did you make that butter smooth inventory? I've been meaning to ask for the longest time.

>>160515805
make a sam hyde beat em up game as a precursor to this huge rpg project you speak of

>>160515604
The renderer only renders an array of vertices or a simple quad structure.
Objects get a reference to a renderer to render their quad/vertices. There's a sprite batch class too.

>>160515878
How do you pass your transforms to the shader?

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>>160515863
I'd play it

>>160515856
-the power of tweening-

>>160509184
Actually emojis are filtered but anon managed to get around it I guess.

Any aggy daggs applying for janitor?

>>160516019
No ok, that too, but I meant like how the scrolling works, or if the icons are actual meshes or just sprites, or how things are picked up and plopped out etc

>>160516056
he could be a mod that accidentally revealed himself that way
>mods are shitposting
maeks sense

>>160513567
So why aren't you using a scripting language like Lua, then, if you need to be able to describe functions?

>>160516101
someone please do and nuke this shithole. hopefully something better rises from the ashes

>>160515959
I don't, I just modify the vertices on the cpu side.

>>160516101
I will unironically apply just to clean up /agdg/.

>>160516205
Oh that makes sense.

>>160516130
yeah they're just rendered meshes. they scale to 0 as they get closer to the side, and I animate the scale multiplier from 0 to 1 when a new item appears

>>160516391
Oh I see, pretty smart solution. Thanks.
Are you still working on that? Please tell me you are

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>>160515863
>>160516012
>Sam Hyde fighting different variations of Lena Dunham

>>160516161
I meant to but I figured that at this moment it's the only system that'd really benefit me from being more flexible so I went with a math expr parser instead but I'll probably add support for Lua scripting at some point in the future but I'd need to design the system well and write some abstraction to make it more convenient to use.

>>160516670
If you use Lua you can get rid of the JSON dependency, too, though I guess it depends if you need to save to the file or just load it.

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>>160516464
sorry, I made some bad decisions like choosing a first person camera, detailed textures and at the same time wanting to use sprites for characters

I'll go back to it eventually but it'll be a different game

>>160516315
Are you writing a renderer?
You should try instancing, I didn't bother trying it but it definitely sounds better than doing all those calculations on cpu if you have a ton of stuff to render.
http://ogldev.atspace.co.uk/www/tutorial33/tutorial33.html

>>160516813
Oh well, that's a shame but I'm sure whatever game you end up making will be great. Keep up the good work.

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Who else can't dev because their muscles feel sore after working out here?

>>160516929
thanks friend. I hope not to disappoint

>>160516813
Post that bunny image please.
She's cute

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>>160517193

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>>160517263
I meant the one in your screenshot.
I already saved this one.

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>tfw l just finished To the Moon

l wish l could make up stories like that, the ost is absolutely amazing too

>>160517420
But I'm not Anonymous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MrwNQ75FYQ

so this is the power off weebs, unity and live2d.

>>160514914
come on dude, I'm asking why you take all that effort in making the editors if you're not going to make them usable to other people?

also, I never understood how you fags know when I post.

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>>160517193

>>160517612
Not him, but clearly he thinks spending some extra time up front to make his life easier will save time in the long run.

>>160517612
I made those editors because I needed them for my game. I didn't make them for the sake of making editors or for others. Releasing them is not a priority right now.

>>160517710
I'm just thinking he may as well let other to use them, just curious.

>>160517765
fair enough, but they seem to be usefull for other people.

>>160517710
Pretty much.
I was writing "levels" by hand in a text file before I had an editor.
And no way in hell could I write hitboxes for animations by hand.

>>160517820
>fair enough, but they seem to be usefull for other people.
That's why I'm considering releasing them but I'd need to add more features, fix some things probably add better UI and of course more import/export support for files.

>>160517820
releasing something isn't just zipping up your code and dropping a link, it carries a bunch of responsibilities he doesn't want to worry about

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>>160516826
I'm using a lazy mode version of instancing at the moment because I need a dynamic number of objects. I plan to implement proper instancing soon for static map objects that I have a fixed number of.

I've been trying to decouple the rendering pipeline mostly because all objects render themselves at the moment, as they need to pass their own data.

Late reply because I've been trying to make a webm, this will do for now can't be bothered tweaking values more.

>>160518014
cool, was curious about that.
god speed then anon.

>>160518026
he can tell to fuck off or make the code open source or some shit.
he has not obligation to cather to others.

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>>160517612
>Twitter integration
That's on the same level as pronnhub comments. Why the hell would one ever want to yell this into the world?

Apparently this post is spam.

>>160518113
Not him.

The "modern" way to render is to go through all your renderables and have them generate a high level "draw call" containing every piece of information needed to draw them. Then the renderer consumes these draw calls, doing sorting, batching, culling, etc.

This way, the renderer doesn't know about the renderables (draw calls can theoretically come from anywhere) and the renderables don't know about the specifics of the renderer.

>>160518264
I've seen weebs posting weeb shit on facebook.
take into account 90% of a weeb facebook are other weebs.

>>160518316
Deferred rendering, right?

>>160518443
They're fake weebs.

>>160518113
>>160518316
Also, it reduces the potential for spaghetti significantly since the renderer and the renderables don't reference each other at all - it's basically message passing.

And with the new APIs, you can actually have draw calls represent command buffers which can be cached when the renderable is created or when its "prototype" is loaded. Obviously, then, a reference to the renderer will be needed to create draw calls, so pass it into the constructor/methods/whatever of the renderable where draw calls should be created but don't have the renderable store it.

>>160518525
Not that guy but are you referring to vulkan/dx12 by the new apis?

>>160518449
No, deferred rendering is a totally different thing.

>>160518637
Yeah.

also, how do you guys know when I'm posting?

>>160517047
>muscles sore from working out

you're doing something wrong

>>160518525
Thanks for the info on decoupling I plan to implement that.

>>160518694
And I do believe the new APIs call it deferred rendering.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff476892(v=vs.85).aspx

There is also deferred shading so it can cause confusion.

>>160518840
Fucking Microsoft.

>>160518694
How do I vulkandev? I've been reading up on the api and got a lot of concepts but from what I heard the drivers aren't ready for everyone? I'm on an old toaster so I don't know if my hardware even supports it.

>>160517263
>Those abs

wow she's fit

>>160518896
Hey, I hate them as much as everyone else, possibly more in some cases. But eh, the modern gen of graphics APIs are fairly similar.

>>160518924
You probably need a card that has a recent driver at the very least.

At any rate intel has an implementation in mesa, so you shouldn't have any trouble.

Where's the proper place to store your ScriptableOjects in the Unity folder structure?

The actual .cs file goes in ScriptableObjects, but where does the .asset go?

>>160518924
If you're on a toaster you're probably out of luck. Vulkan support only goes back as far as Kepler, GCN, and Skylake (Ivy Bridge on Linux with Mesa, actually).

>>160519038
AFAIK neither D3D12 or Vulkan actually call that deferred rendering because it's the only kind of rendering you can actually do. That was a D3D11 thing only.

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>when it becomes an enginedev thread

>>160519038
MS gets a lot of flak for some things but I think their documentation has always been top notch.

>>160519063
I create special folders for all my SOs - folder for SoundContainer, folder for WeaponUgprade, etc.
All in Data folder so it won't clatter the view

>>160519185
I fucking knew it. Enginedevs are the same people as Animefags and we have proof now. I'll never take them seriously ever again.

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@160519301
>complaining about anime on 4chan

>>160519301
I thought that was obvious

@160519301
>Nodevs are normies
Why am I not surprised

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>>160519301
You only noticed this now?
Where were you during the vulkan hamster meme before its release?

>>160519185
>when it becomes an anime tiddie thread

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Did someone say anime tiddie- wait holy shit I just realized this was Aoba all along!

How do I add denuvo or another DRM to my game?

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>>160520240

I was gonna download monogame and found this.
http://www.monogame.net/2015/12/16/develop-for-ios-and-android-for-free-happy-holidays/
Is monogame not free? I don't get it I can't find info on publishing games made with monogame on their site.

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>>160520346

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>>160520240
Any other girl devs here who struggle like this?

>>160520427
It's free but the only supported compilers for android and iOS aren't.

>>160499952
I'm looking for game assets, 2 dimensional characters, hand drawn, animated. I need placeholders but I don't want to spend too much time with that.

Since the theme is Dinosaurs 2d hand drawn dinosaurs would also work.

>>160520427
Xamarin builds for ios and android. Monogame itself is free.

>>160520495
You don't need to be a dev to have a problem like that. You know, computers are not only for games. Other than that, no, no woman struggles with that. You can set the height of your chair and your desk, you know.

>>160520346
You contact them and get purchase a license.

>>160520613
opengameart.org

remember to contribute back if you make any assets as well

>>160520427
Xamarin was released for free several months later, so now developing for android and iOS is free as well.

>>160520495
No, who the fuck leans over their desk like that.

>>160520803
free as in freedom?

>>160520346
First you have to be a soulless husk that wants to make money without understanding the market.

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PROGRESS

>>160520928
DIABOLO

>>160520928
>spectral smoky blue midnight short sword of the vampiric bear

>>160520745
Most of these are pretty bad unlesss you're looking for tilesets or 16bit stuff, I'm talking at least 8 frames of animation, hand drawn

>>160521320
beggars cant be choosers.

>>160521320
>I'm talking at least 8 frames of animation, hand drawn
I thought you wanted placeholders.

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How does steamspy work?
How can the ownership of a game fluctuate?
How can i tell how much net profit a game has made? I need to know exactly how much money I won't be making doing gamedev.

>>160521320
>I need placeholders
>but I need high quality hand drawn art
Fuck off?

>>160521376
you're going to make $0 because you're worried about how much other games made

be Goku, not Vegeta

>>160521642
>be Goku, not Vegeta
So be talented, not hard working?

>>160520928
>hat of faggot
Oh, my sides, anon, you so funny
I'm a girl btw

>>160521723
you will never be as good as someone who's born with talent

so act talented and fake it till you make it

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>>160521610

>>160521642
But im not going to put in a Goku effort if im just going to get a Yamcha profit.

thanks for the monogame replies I'm not interested in android and ios

>>160521723
>missing the entire message of dbz

wasted youth

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>time to go through all my code and add in delta time because i made everything framerate dependent since i didnt know better

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>>160521723

>>160522318
>not using a physics engine and binding everything to it and giving it a step time so the entire game runs independent from the frame rate

>>160522487
using game maker

>>160522487
Using fixed timestep you should still incorporate delta time (the fixed step interval) into your calculations so you can change it if you want.

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>>160522518
>tfw two intelligent for gamemaker

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>>160514375
>cringey

Kids these days

>>160522696
ok

>>160518525
You seem like you know a lot about this so I want to ask you, do you know any articles for writing proper rendering systems?
I've seen some where draw calls were just an integer with bits being used for sorting and I didn't really get it.

>>160523041
https://blog.molecular-matters.com/2014/11/06/stateless-layered-multi-threaded-rendering-part-1/
This series is very good.

>I've seen some where draw calls were just an integer with bits being used for sorting and I didn't really get it.
Like this?
http://realtimecollisiondetection.net/blog/?p=86
It wasn't that the draw call was only an integer, it worked by "hashing" the draw call into an integer key and sorting the calls by their keys.

I mean, if you're able to represent the entire draw call itself as a fixed-size integer by packing bits together, go for it, but it's not likely that you can do that without losing information.

>>160523041
Not him but do you want to use a graphics API or write a software renderer?

>>160523041
>>160523417
Also, there are properties of draw calls that you might not want to include in your sorting/batching algorithms.

>>160523423
Sorting is still useful and sometimes necessary even with depth buffering. Transparent objects need to be sorted back-to-front, for instance.

>>160522318
And this, kids, is (one of the many reasons) why you shouldn't use or recommend Game Maker.

It encourages bad development habits.

>>160523543
Sorting seems rather slow as opposed to something like a BSP tree.

>>160523631
no, it doesnt. i just didnt understand delta_time and didnt use it.

the only one to blame is myself for not utilizing it sooner. now stop shitposting.

>>160523647
BSP construction is, in a way, a sorting algorithm for planar polygons.

How should I structure folders for my ECS?

This:

Components\Combat\Health.cs
Systems\Combat\HealthSystem.cs
Entities\Combat\FlyingZombie.cs

or this:

Combat\HealthSystem.cs
Combat\HealthComponent.cs
Zombies\FlyingZombie.cs

>>160523697
>now stop shitposting.
may as well tell the sun not to shine
this general is fucking dire
i'm sure every other poster in here is literally autistic

>>160523697
>no, it doesnt.

Yes it does. Everything runs at a fixed framerate by default (which is set at 30 and even more insanely is a room property), and doing things like setting up vsynced framerate that works for different refresh rates and then using delta time in all your code is way more cumbersome than it needs to be, and pretty much all documentation and tutorials teach you to tie logic to framerate.

>>160523647
>>160523856
In essence, what you're doing is saying that you shouldn't eat an apple because it's a fruit, but recommending an orange instead.
>inb4 food analogy meme

>>160523856
I know it's a sorting algorithm but it's done once and then traversed to render in the correct order.

I will have to try out some of these sorted rendering engine setups before I make further judgement though.

>>160523972
Well, it's not appropriate when you want to sort things that aren't planar polygons. BSP is only really used for brush-based stuff, which is going out of fashion in favour of modular level construction.

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The life of Pepe is coming soon ;^)

>>160523959
>>160523856
For a followup question, is there any place for BSP trees in modern engines? Is it still used except for maybe rendering of map walls? I was planning to implement a 3d BSP class to create multi level buildings.

>>160523891
>which hierarchy should i impose on my game object representation that is designed to not be hierarchical?

>>160524168
fucking awesome.

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>>160524168
can't wait

>>160523956
>and then using delta time in all your code is way more cumbersome than it needs to be

you need to account for delta time in pretty much any means for development that you use, whether that means accounting for delta time manually or using something like FixedUpdate. yeah, multiplying by delta time can be annoying but its a simple fix. that in and of itself doesn't encourage any kind of bad habits.

now the documentation itself, yes, does encourage bad habits, but it is aimed at beginners and it is much simpler to make game framerate dependent when you are just starting out and most likely will have trouble making a box move on the screen. when you learn more, you learn how to fix framerate timing.

just like other engines. when you start out with say, unity, and you dont know anything, youll probably be inclined to throw all your code into the update method. then once youre more experienced youll use fixedupdate.

it literally isnt that big of a deal.

>>160524194
It's only suitable for static brush-based geometry. >>160524098

>>160524168
You better make a GNU/Linux version I swear to god.

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>>160524286
>>160524291
>>160524490
Will have a full fledged story + free DLC.
PC + Linux + Mac + Mobile.

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What's the standard way of creating grass. My plan to implement it is to create a sprite/plane object, bind a grass image, then use instance rendering to render them all over the map.

How do games do things where shrubbery/decals lose definition then disappear at a distance?

>>160524324
>you need to account for delta time in pretty much any means for development that you use

True, but you can make it much more easier on users. Have projects run with vsync on at display refresh rate by default, present all kinds of numerical properties as "pixels/units per second" to get the user into the correct mindset for framerate-independent development, then just have all documentation regarding code show that you should manipulate values in a similar fashion too - it can be as simple as x += 600 * dt for example, which isn't much off from just x += 10 (if the game was running fixed 60fps).

On that note it's pretty silly of GM to provide delta time in microseconds instead of seconds. With seconds you can simply think of everything as pixels/units per second, whereas with microseconds you either have to add an extra division by 1000000 whenever using delta_time or always have an extra step to prep the delta_time for actually sane multiplication.

>>160524324
yo I use dt too but it at times it's not that simple of a fix

e.g when simulating friction or damping you might do velocity *= 0.9 in a fixed step game

that doesn't fly with dt and you have to integrate or use a different method entirely

>>160525027
>>160525067

I retract my statement as I pretty much agree with both of you. It could be made a LOT easier on the user. I'm still not convinced that it actually encourages bad habits, but I definitely agree that the process is needlessly more complex than it needs to be.

And yeah, it really should be in seconds, or at least milliseconds. microseconds is a very strange way to measure it

>>160519395
>implying engies are devs
They're not actually going to make an engine or a game they just like to pretend they have a hobby. It's the same reason they hang out in /dpt/ and argue about things, the arguing feels like work to them and helps them keep lying to themselves that they're doing something.

>>160525067
velocity -= 0.1 * velocity * dt

>>160525293
>I'm still not convinced that it actually encourages bad habits

Having a fixed non-vsynced framerate by default (to make tying logic to framerate simpler), the fact that delta_time is much more cumbersome to use than just tying logic to framerate and basically all documentation pointing you towards tying logic to framerate with delta_time being treated like an unwanted child (when it really should be taught on the very basic level) fulfills pretty much all conditions of encouraging bad habits in my books.

>>160524990
https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/36335

$20 plz

>>160525653
Alright, consider me convinced.
Also upon looking into it more, I've learned that apparently the built in functions like speed, vspeed, hspeed, friction etc (even though you shouldnt be using them) break with delta timing along with the built in alarms.

yikes. I apologize, I was wrong.

>>160524168
alt right plz go

>>160525703
Looks like they are doing exactly what Intended anyway. Albeit likely more professionally.

The physics on them though is something out of my initial scope but I can think of a few ways to do it.

>>160525804
This is where the anti gamemaker posting comes from. Now you know.

>>160525398
Where's your game? Oh, yeah, you dropped it to shitpost about sourcefam.

>>160526103
I still think its a wonderful tool considering its simplicity, and I wont discourage people from using it, but I would like to see improvements in that regard with GMS2

>>160526145
>Where's your game?
Which one do you want to see? I have multiple.

Because you see, I can actually make games, and have actually made games.

You don't make games, you never have and never will, because you can't.

And you don't have a game engine either, you're never going to have one, you just lie to yourself and others that you're actually doing something with yourself. You're not.

Better just stick to your little chat room and camping out in threads for years champ.

>>160526161
>I wont discourage people from using it

You honestly should, especially if they haven't used it before, because better tools exist.

Construct 2 for example.

Also, "simplicity" isn't really something I'd personally associate with GM. The editor interface is a massively unintuitive clusterfuck full of panels with tabs that come with more tabs with next to consistency in how thingsa re laid out, often with cryptical abbreviations that have no tooltips either (and a lot of which you shouldn't even touch because shit's better handled in GML elsewhere). Even for someone with past experience with programming and game dev IDEs. I had experience with Visual Studio, Unity and C2 when I first booted up GMS to give it a real spin and was still totally lost in its interface hell without a tutorial to guide me where the fuck to start with putting things together.

I haven't tried out GMS2 yet but from what I've heard of it nothing has really changed in the underlying workings of how you do things in GM and that it's mainly just visual editor aspects that have changed.

Cmon fruit loop let's hear that epic come back of yours! Can't wait!

some good points were brought up, but the amount of construct 2 shilling in these threads increased tenfold lately

>>160526769
Oh hey it's Construct 2 guy

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Desert Dog dev here. My girl left for a 24h cruise. i was going to book a prostitute since im unhappy. decided to prototype a game instead.

Fast paced top down shooter where u can teleport around for different effects. It's a balance beteen shooting and teleportation. Killing enemies with bullets drops HP, killing with teleportation stomp refills ammo.

Gif is Line of Sight mechanic testing.

Gonna doodle up some scifi sprites and i might actually have it done on sunday (lol).

I have to decide if i should make it wave based (running for infinity) or set levels with rounds (e.g. one level would have different walls and be 3 rounds with different enemy placements.

Thoughts?

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>>160526769
>C2

Go engie go! You can do it!

Just use Godot.

>>160526925
>My girl left for a 24h cruise.
I'm sorry bro, she's Tyrone's woman now. Now you know why 2D > 3D

These threads are honestly better when it's just engine devs posting. At least you get proper discussion and not
>how do i make sprite in unity xD

Is engie going to be able to recover from that truth bomb? It's not looking good...

>>160527110
I dont know who tyrone is but sadly (jk) she will be back.

>>160527207
haha no she won't

>>160526904
Guilty as charged, as the recent Construct 2 posting has mostly originated from me, and I'm doing it because C2 gets a needlessly bad rap around here even though it does basically everything better than GM.

>>160526930
Yes, and? C2's event scripting is just as powerful as GML and honestly I'd say the way you code things in C2 aligns with more traditional programming even more closely than GM's events + GML setup - event sheets are basically like files of code, and a sheet is not constrained into being basically a single function like GML scripts are.

Here's the thing kiddos.

You want to call yourself a gamedev? Make a game. Until you've made a game you're not a gamedev, you're an aspiring gamedev.

This goes for you too, engies, you little retards you. You can't just tell yourself you're an enginedev when it's been ____ years and you've got nothing. No engine. No games.

You're not an enginedev. You're an aspiring enginedev. And that's even more pathetic than being an engie.

>>160527297
stop lying. Construct 2 is super limited.

>>160527329
define game

>>160517629
>>160516813
>>160514251
you should get an itch.io account so we can stalk you

plus it makes it just a little bit harder to quit the project

>>160527129
>honestly better when it's just engine devs posting. At least you get proper discussion
Posting anime and mumbling memes is not proper gamedev discussion. Enginedevs should kill themselves.

>>160527353
>Construct 2 is super limited.

Except it's not? The scripting system is extremely capable and extendable with plugins.

>>160527487
>Posting anime and mumbling memes
That's pure unity/gamemaker territory

>>160527265
lol we'll see.

Someone please give feedback on wave system or infinite?

If you don't use ECS at all you're clinically retarded. If you don't wrap Unity in your own ECS you might as well be retarded.

>>160527576
Yeah no. Unity/GMS devs have no need for anime we're sexually active. Because we get things done.

Engies are perma-fried retarded autistic weebs.

>>160527671
You can't shit up the thread with offtopic stuff while asking for feedback

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>>160527742
>"New Unity Project 46"

>>160527435
a game needs a visual digital output and player interaction beyond start and stop
it should also be operatable by a single individual without any help, intervention or previous knowledge

>>160527862
I will send you 5$ on paypal if you prove you're not a nodev. You van do that, can't you?

>>160527957
then i have a game

>>160527993
already posted earlier

>>160527742
But I'm a unity dev and I jack off every night to some big anime tiddies and tight anime asses

>>160527993
>You van
You trying to speak english engie?

lel

Fucking retard. Don't bother trying to be witty just get back to spamming your source.jpegs

Anything to hide from the truth that you're not a gamedev or an enginedev. You've got nothing.

>>160528050
No you didn't. No money for you nodev.

>>160528050
>already posted earlier
nice cop out

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I'm a drawfag (not the best drawfag, but whatever).
I'm going to study software engineering in my college.

My point is, I would love to become an animator but my taco shithole has pretty much nothing on terms of studios or even proper animation shit.

My goal is to make my own animations, so I want to make this thread about how would you design an animation software to help you out to make an animation as cheaply as possible while having the best quality.

As for my idea is to basically make a 3D software, and allow you to draw vector lines in a 3D space, and obviously being able to tween and modify the lines depending on the frame.

So, in a sense you draw a pose and then simply rig it like a 3D model and tween the lines (since they're vector lines anyway) like some illustrator pen tool, similar to SAI pen tool and blender pencil tool.

The goal is to reuse the lines between frames and do simple 3D animation techniques because the lines will be stick to a 3D rig.

Something like paperman with some twist.

Of course being able to edit the lines in every frame would be a good idea.

The coloring could be maybe voxels or something, like zbrush 2D painting skills or some way similar to zbrush, the material inside, so you sculpt the 3D planes by painting them like a photoshop brush.

Of course the lightning could be calculated by some toon shader or toon algorithm, but you could edit the shadow boundaries I think in some way, maybe having a mask you could edit.

Dunno, these are some of my ideas.
pls feel free to add some on your own.

Basically picking the best ideas from photoshop, illustrator, zbrush, SAI, paperman and other software, focused entirelly towards 2D animation.

>>160527824
i didnt. anon stalked talking tyrone.

I'm a drawfag (not the best drawfag, but whatever).
I'm going to study software engineering in my college.

My point is, I would love to become an animator but my taco shithole has pretty much nothing on terms of studios or even proper animation shit.

My goal is to make my own animations, so I want to make this thread about how would you design an animation software to help you out to make an animation as cheaply as possible while having the best quality.

As for my idea is to basically make a 3D software, and allow you to draw vector lines in a 3D space, and obviously being able to tween and modify the lines depending on the frame.

So, in a sense you draw a pose and then simply rig it like a 3D model and tween the lines (since they're vector lines anyway) like some illustrator pen tool, similar to SAI pen tool and blender pencil tool.

The goal is to reuse the lines between frames and do simple 3D animation techniques because the lines will be stick to a 3D rig.

Something like paperman with some twist.

Of course being able to edit the lines in every frame would be a good idea.

The coloring could be maybe voxels or something, like zbrush 2D painting skills or some way similar to zbrush, the material inside, so you sculpt the 3D planes by painting them like a photoshop brush.

Of course the lightning could be calculated by some toon shader or toon algorithm, but you could edit the shadow boundaries I think in some way, maybe having a mask you could edit.

Dunno, these are some of my ideas.
pls feel free to add some on your own.

Basically picking the best ideas from photoshop, illustrator, zbrush, SAI, paperman and other software, focused entirelly towards 2D animation.

>>160528091
No money for you either nodev. Too bad

>>160528096
>>160528097
search for UNIX_Wars in this thread

>>160527862
>"My_First_Collision_Detection.exe"
>creation date: 3/14/2010
>literally have done nothing since then
Engies everyone.

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What would you consider essential settings specifically for an FPS?
Currently i'm adding: Sensitivity, invert mouse, autoreload
Delaying: Rebinds (waiting for new unity input implementation), FoV slider (defaults to 75, i think most people are more than okay with that)

>>160528273
I'm sorry but you already defined game, you can't undefine it.

You're the nodev.

>>160528231
Why can't you just post it again?

>>160528312
FOV is the big one.
Being able to turn off weapon model.
Sticky aiming (for people playing with controllers)

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>>160528357
>being this desperate
>trying to use legalese to defend their total lack of game
Engies everyone.

>I'm sorry but you already defined game
No I didn't?

>>160528421
duplicate file

>>160528487
So you have only one pic of your game and can't take another? Suspicious.

>>160528485
>nodev trying to tell me i have no game

lmao.


>>160528536
it's a webm