/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

First for God of the Forge and Production Overflow exploits

Also NVIDIA being the one to tell a balance/fix patch is upcoming for Civ VI. Not 2K/Firaxis

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i summon thread collective to spoonfeed me how Distant Worlds works, pls

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>>160440427
That's a vague question.
Ask something more specific and I shall try to help you, citizen.

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>>160440514
how do i even.

all i hear is "anon you can automate everythin!" but i literally have no idea what is happening on my screen, ships flying everywhere doing fuckall they want. No matter if state or private they do as they please. They build everything themselves and attack everything by themselves too. What is my fucking role in this?
Am i in bizzaro universe and supposed to just observe them?
Aliens come out of nowhere and fuck me over, pirates fuck me over, my own people fuck me over. I am in an endless loop of "wtf i lost" and "what in the absolute fuck is happening"

>>160440427
Dude. Watch. Some. Videos.

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>>160440828
Turn off all automatons. It's in the options.
If you don't, well, the game pretty much plays itself, and you only have to agree to what your advisors tell you.

>>160440427
The ingame wiki covers a lot of shit. It's a bit brief but you can understand most of the menus and concepts there. Ask singular problems you have here and I'll try to answer

In Civ VI I always feel like I have a bad start. What should I be looking for in a first city settle? I seem to never have enough production and often more food than production, and only 1 luxury. Also can someone explain harvests and what/when I should?

Which civs in civ6 are your favorites to play against?

Give me one reason to not go Fanatic Xenophobe/Collectivist/Star Empire and purge every alien I meet.

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>>160443068
You don't get to tap that space elf booty.

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I want planet destroyer ships in Stellaris. They would shake single player for sure, war so far is tedious as 100 fucks and capturing 1 billion planets so enemy can cede 2-3 of them is retarded as fuck

>>160443665
I want a mini cutscene each time, so that you remember every planet you burned.

>>160443835
and special option for those planet destroyers, like, you can either glass it making it uninhabitable, fuck it up to the point of being tomb world or explode it altogether. That would be sick

>>160444398
And also, you can glass unhabited world for propaganda purpose and discourage others factions from attacking you, to a price of relation.

>>160444725
we can only wish anon, we can only wish... ;_;

>>160444849
I'm always upset you can't have good propaganda. Not even in Distant Worlds. The closest I got was in Sins of Solar Empire, and it's generic as fuck.

>>160440105
>NVIDIA being the one to tell
sauce pls

>>160442558
a fox hill trees, with bonus banana plains rainforest
side of something like rice or gluten

Civ VI on Epic is seriously painful.

>>160445332

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/battlefield-1-civilization-vi-the-division-steep-open-beta-game-ready-driver

Am I the only miffed that Civ VI's tech and civic trees are full of dead ends?

>start new game
>send out my warrior
>turn 3 barb scout comes from the other direction
>i cant catch him and he escapes back to trigger spawns
>esc
>exit to main menu

>>160446850

Barbarian Scouts are intouchable by design until you mobilize Horsemen to guard your lands

>>160446587
>EVER taking the pikemen tech
I've never done it. What other dead ends tho?

>>160447818
Laser spears.

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Yeeeaaah

Yeeeaaah

How do I build tall beautiful simcities in Civ VI? I dont like ICS..

>>160448979

>I don't like ICS

Too bad faggot, ICS is the only strategy now

>>160449082
Not really since I dont play on Deity or anything. I just like having more ways to play.

I wonder if Amplitude started giggling when they saw that Paradox copied their district system.

>>160449224

It's not like you can avoid all the exploits anyways

God of the Forge exploit, cutting exploit, selling exploit, production overflow exploit

>>160449572
I dont really know any of those. Feel free to enlighten me. Are they actually exploits or just oversights?

>>160449287
What is paradox doing now?

>>160449818
Masturbating.

is the Leviathan dlc worth it?

>>160449750

>God of the Forge exploit : Every player in the game gets God of the Forge and the shared bonus is additive per every player in the game (example : 6 players mean the bonus is 90 % extra production towards military for everyone)
>Cutting Exploit : You can cut for full outside of your borders, cutting yield is pretty significant on both trees and bonus resources, synergizes beautifully with the three other exploits due to selling used Builders outside borders and exploiting production overflow
>Selling Exploit : You can sell outside your borders for full, selling yield is 50 % of purchase cost which is huge, free units and boosted production (for example, 100 % production bonus Horseman + double from Scythia) sells for full. Wounded units and used Builders sell for full. Can be used to get extra money from nothing, or run a unit selling based economy. Venetian Arsenal + Destroyer/Cruiser Armadas, or Cavalry/Helicopter spam breaks the late game
>Production Overflow Exploit : Production from a boosted construction (Example : 100 % production towards Cav) is scaled. So for example, a 10 production city actually produces 20 per turn towards Cav. If this overflows, then the overflow production can be used to get abnormal amounts of hammers. Furthermore, due to the way the overflow is re-applied on the next project, you can boost the overflow again and rapidly get exponential returns, which go faster the bigger the boost is and the smaller the margin to 1 turning the unit gets. This allows you to one turn wonders and districts, sometimes multiple in a row, by getting obscene production pools which multiply faster and faster (Think 200 production becomes 400, then 800, then 1600. The more patient you are, the more crazy it becomes)

>>160450581
>cheating

>>160450581
Nvidia will fix it

>>160450835

>Cheating

All four of those are purely based on game mechanics as they exist in the current game

Cutting and selling are both usually banned in MPs, God of the Forge requires a mod. Production Overflow is unfixable until Firaxis hotpatches it

Production Overflow alone lets you meme MP lobbies utterly because you can quickly build up an unstoppable production pool of thousands, or ten of thousands hammers, and suddenly pull wonders, districts and dozens of city projects out of your ass

>>160450581
The cutting and selling ones arent even exploits. Its intended.

>>160451110

If those are intended, then they are awful game mechanics. To me it's more of a pretty blatant oversight

In Civ V, you couldn't sell outside of your borders. Cutting outside your borders also gave rapidly diminishing yields

>>160451029
It's all exploits that breaks the game. If you willingly use it, you're cheating.

>>160451224

Well, good luck enforcing that rule in lobbies

It's literally impossible to trace the Production Overflow exploit until the production steamroll is obvious enough to ruin the game, cutting and selling exploits are not very obvious, and God of the Forge can happen by accident from the AI picking it

>>160451374
No it's very obvious. If you stack production multipliers and manage to hoard tons of production in overflow, you're cheating. Send workers everywhere deforesting the entire continent even within AI civ's border, it's cheating. That scout is about to die next turn so you sell it to recoup some of the gold? Cheating. Only thing that's out of your control is God of Forge.

>>160451725
There is literally no proof that they didnt intend for it. No, "It wasnt that way in V" isnt an excuse. Lots of things changed.

>>160446587
I'm more mad that every era from classical to atomic seems like its missing a column of techs

>>160451215
Chopping shit in V was generally really underwhelming. I liked how in IV you could do something with it earlygame, be it chopping down forests to get barracks and some strong early UU's (preatorians and dog soldiers come to mind) or grab wonders, even midgame. This was not nearly as effective in V.

Sure, right now chopping in VI is idiotic but it shouldn't get nerfed into the ground. The core concept is fun.

>>160451725
>Every game mechanic I don't like is cheating! Stop cheating and let me catch up to the rest of you guys!
-You

>>160447818
>>160452420
Irrigation
Archery
Total War
Dance
And a few others are just dead end branches that you waste Culture and Science on. You basically ignore them until the endgame if you aren't going a specific strategy.

>>160453346
>Dance
>you can reach atomic era without knowing how to dance
What?

>>160453625
Because ballet isn't essential.

>>160453625
>Can get guns without ever understanding bows
>Can develop nukes without ever learning how to irrigate a farm

>>160453681
>implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrnJ9iMfrNg
If you can't beat them with your weapons, show them your moves.

>>160453756
>can develop nukes without even having uranium on the map

>>160452005
>>160453069
Why can't cheaters stand up for the fact that they're cheating? Are you feeling ashamed?

>>160453850
You are limiting yourself by imposing artificial handicaps in order to enjoy your roleplaying experience. That's fine, different strokes for different folks. Just try not to call every mechanic present in the game that you dislike a cheat.

>>160453069
>>160451725
This honestly sounds like one of those guys who plays with Filthy. They ban tons of aspects of the game and then have the nerve to make a tier list based on their silly setup that doesnt reflect the game. Like yeah sure Norway is terrible if you say "Now remember you're not allowed to play on anything except Pangaea maps and you cant do this or this or this and this is banned and these addons change these."

Its gonna be difficult to discuss Civ VI here when steam workshop mods come out because everyone is going to be arguing balance based on their highly specific setup of mods that change the game, and everyone is going to argue which are 'mandatory.' I can see it already.

>>160454153
Oh, I'm sorry. "Exploits", yeah, that's the word. Just don't throw a fit when it eventually gets patched out of the game.

>>160454362
Just like TF2 players get upset when a medic or an engi fights back instead of just standing still and letting people kill him.

>haven't played Stellaris in months
>check to see what new mods have come out cause surely people have come up with awesome stuff by now
>virtually no new mods are out
>exact same ones just updated for the most recent patch
dead game

>>160455660
Dude there';s full conversion star wars and star trek mods that both came out in the last month or so.

>>160455845
They're both shit.
Give me Colony War, Homeworld, Star Control 2, UFO.

http://steamcommunity.com/games/289130/announcements/detail/603875242704516571

>>160456206
that's not civ

>>160458057
Are you stupid?

I wish there were an option to build roads other than city-city.

>>160453756
Didn't north Korea do that?

>>160460027
Just use military engineers :^)

>America is shit again

I FEEL LIKE IM PLAYING A VANILLA CIV

WHY DO ROUGH RIDERS NOT UPGRADE FROM KNIGHTS AND ALSO NOT INTO TANKS

WHY ARE LEGACY BONUSES SO SHIT

BY THE TIME I CAN EVEN PRODUCE A P-51 MUSTANG I'VE REACHED JET FIGHTERS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>160444398
Realistically speaking, an ordinary fleet ought to be able to glass planets. Full orbital bombardment ought to be more brutal.

>>160462808
Space 4x wishlist.
>Each planet is subdivided into tiles like Stellaris
>However each tile has it's own Biome.
>Creatures that like cold can settle near the poles, water breathing creatures can settle in the oceans, ect.
>Some planets are tide locked, with a habitable band around the horizon belt.
>Millitary units move around on the planetary map.
>It's possible to play the game as a pre-spaceflight civ, in which case the game looks like a really tiny version of Civilization.
>Teraforming happens tile by tile, however some effects such as atmosphiric composition are global.
>An attacking fleet can glass individual map tiles until the planet is uninhabitable.
>Nuking the polar ice caps to make the atmosphere thicker is also a viable early game teraforming strategy

>>160463773
That's neat, but wouldn't micro management become a nightmare after some point?

Is Civ VI worth getting yet or should I wait for some expansions + Steam sale like I did with Civ 5

>>160464504
I imagine it would be at least partly automated. Planets would build their own upgrades based on need, but the player can intervene to prevent or mandate specific production.

>>160464813
It seems that at some point it all turns into pointless details. You can probably get the same level of comprehensible simulation by giving several parameters per planet instead of tiles and certain actions that would affect those parameters.

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>>160463773
That is nice anon.
I will add few kopenek more.
>each tile can be populated by more than one population unit
>population can have different classes&castes aka nobles/freemen/serfs for monarchies or workers/soldiers/priests for caste systems or illegals/citizen for republics
>what matter is not sheer population size(although anyone can work fields or mine ore) but having specialist pop like techs/engineers/scientist who can operate specialized production//science buildings an need to be educated(kinda like in old SM Colonization)
>planets are governed based on their local systems aka democracy have their governors elected, monarchies either that fiefs system with their hereditary rulers or appointed governors
>resources are consumed/used locally and then stored and transported at need by freighters with space elevator/orbital stations being bottlenecks for planetary gravity wells
>possibility to make custom laws for planet and specific populations
Sadly you need working AI and working highly customizable automation kinda like in distant world but better. And plenty of way to get feedback and info like EU ledgers. Plus some Viki.

>>160465107
I agree with that other anon. This scale of detail would not work in a space 4x. You would reach a point where trying to manage all your colonies would become a hindrance

>>160465107
Unnnnf.

Yes, definitely stackable pops, and tile improvements (cities, habitat domes, ect) that increase the amount of pops that you can fit on a tile.

Military units are also just specialized pops. Any pop can engage in combat, work a tile, or build improvements, with varying degrees of efficiency. Some civilizations might not distinguish between soldiers and citizens, while others could have a highly specialized caste system.

>tfw no warhammer 4x

>>160465820
That's what automation is for.

Also, it could be like CK2, where you might play as a planetary governor or fleet admiral who is part of a larger galactic empire.

>>160466167
But if you're going to rely on automation wouldn't it be easier to represent all that with a set of parametes? It would also wouldn't be as resource expensive and the AI would have less room to fuck everything up.
Also, it would allow for greater depth without turning the management of multiple planets into a burocratic clusterfuck

>>160466604
Because it's fun to be able to open the box and watch the little people walking around inside.

We need more games like the sims or Dwarf Fortress.

I have +20 relations with a civ, and they still don't want to declare friendship. WTF.

How do I into cultists? I can understand building in a 2 thick line but I'm unsure about tech priorities and the like.

>>160466786
That would be like trying to combine the gameplays of sim city and stellaris. Unless you want to share control of your empire with an AI you would need to simplify one of the two elements.

One way to do it would be to only give you administrative control of your capital world and then have all your colonies be managed by governors, kind of like the sector system.

Is Endless Legend/Endless Space worth getting?

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>>160467578
Endless space is well polished really nice looking game. Its also sterile and boring.
Endless legend is again nice looking and well done game. Just I don't like it.
Pirate it. I preorder Endless space and barely played it.
If so you should get Distant World. Its ugly game with ugly UI and look more like excel sheet than game but its actually pretty decent.
Still combo Master of Orion&SMAC rule.

>>160466604
Actually yes.
I would choose it if it has some good system. But also must present itself well.

>>160467521
I was thinking more like the Primary/Vassal holdings system in CK2, which I assume the sector system was originally going to be like, until they started to run into deadlines and decided they could just fix it with DLC like they always do.

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help

>>160469595
>Warrior on same side of river not on hill
cmon step it up

>>160443068
The good news is, you don't have to be Collectivist to purge xenos -- you can already do that with Xenophobe.

I suggest investing in Militarist. The Virtual Combat Arena not only makes your armies more powerful, it provides a happiness and ethic divergence bonus.

Am I a heretic for liking Terra Nova better than Baba Yetu?

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An attempt was made.

I have regrets.

Would do better if there was more Vodyani stuff and if I could find that damn gold necklace in the stamps.

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>>160471129
Huh, it broke. Lets try this.

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>>160470639
I mean, Baba Yetu is literally the Lord's Prayer in Swahili so yes, you are by technical definition a heretic

But I liked Terra Nova as well, so I see where you're coming from and will make sure your burning is quick

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The only part of this fucking map that was islands was my start. Jesus christ.

>>160450246
Yes.

I think so, anyway.

>>160466786
>Dwarf Fortress.

Was Clockwork Empires any good?

>>160471604
Wow, that looks uncannily like the actual UK on its side, except you've settled in Scotland.

Also I've never seen "Continent: none" before but that's potentially broken with England's bonuses if it works the way I'm imagining. Or does coast and sea always say that and I just haven't noticed?

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>>160472206
The coast. Also I suppose, but UK only has mountains in Scotland right?

>>160471604
I would dig the shader if it was limited to terrain. How can you stand everything being grainy and brown?

>>160472364
Mountains in Wales too, but they'd still be on the wrong side anyway - also, I'm pretty sure the Shetland isles aren't known for their mercury production. But still, England spawning on a rare island seems like pottery to me.

>>160469595

Easy. Just fortify warrior on hill across the river, place slinger behind.

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>>160472817
If you think this is bad. I also use f.lux, so my screen is super super brown/washed out. It's not that I necessarily prefer it but I think it looks better than the vanilla look.

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2GB CIV VI path NOW not a drill

>>160464628
The fact that you didn't buy it on telease means you should wait. If you've waited this long, you should wait until they fix it/polish it a bit.

>>160472983
Pretty sure flaseflags are reportable.

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>>160472983
>He's not lying

Post some of your best starts in Civ VI. Obviously on standard and no cheaty shit.

>>160463773
I just want a functioning aurora. Like an aurora that is more game than is a autistic manchildren excel simulator. Like with gameplay and UI, less bugs etc. Maybe some graphix. Or a more in depth distant worlds. With PHYSIKS and POPULATIONS

>>160473150
Oh my it is true. I take back my rude claim.

>>160472916
>never heard of f.lux before a friend told me about it today and I installed it
>immediately someone on /civ4xg/ is talking about it
I'm getting Baader-Meinhof'd hard here

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>>160473398
Sorry lad. I am real, as far as I am aware. Also f.lux is fucking fantastic.

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>Units may no longer be deleted when they are damaged.
>Deleting a unit no longer provides gold.
>Units may no longer remove features from tiles that are not owned by that player.

CHEATERS BLOWN OUT. "I-ITS A MECHANIC GUYS"

>>160473150
>>160473282
http://steamcommunity.com/games/289070/announcements/detail/646658987742411203

>DX12 Support
>Added additional Hotkey support
>Added the ability to rename cities.
>Reduced the effectiveness of cavalry production policies.
>Reduced Warmonger penalties in most instances...
>Units may no longer be deleted when they are damaged.
>Deleting a unit no longer provides gold.
>Units may no longer remove features from tiles that are not owned by that player.
... etc. etc.

>>160473398
>>160473484
Third Anon here. I heard about it and installed it yesterday. W-what's going on here?

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>>160473484
>turn it on
>definitely feel less alert
>but it's 2:30am anyway
welp

>>160473678
Does features include forests/jungle? If so that's pretty shit.
>captcah has a Montezuma street sign
Neat.

>>160474098
Why is that shit? Its stupid and was never intended to be done.

>>160473678
>• Buildings on snow will now have snow on them.
>• Added an Industrial Barbarian Encampment.
>• Added a ranger tower to National Parks.

>• When loading a game, the era blurb will be the current era of the saved game, rather than the starting era of the game.

neat

>• Observation Balloon range bonus was being incorrectly applied when stacked.

aww

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>>160473678
>Units may no longer be deleted when they are damaged.
>Deleting a unit no longer provides gold.
What's the point of making units undeletable if they're damaged... if deleting them yields nothing anyway?

It feels like the game moves from one extreme to another.

>>160474228
To get rid of things that inhibit sight mostly. I didn't mean to be able to get the yields from it.

>>160473668
has civ vi been patched?

>>160474794
literally 1 post below the one you quoted

>>160474738
You have a point there I suppose. I'd like to be able to remove neutral tiles for no profit still, but then I guess you could abuse it by removing yields from terrain that another civ is about to grow into with their city.

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THANK YOU FIRAXIS

>>160474928
I don't really see how that'd be unfair. You have the trade off of having to use worker charges to clear tiles before they could settle it.

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>still no Earth map

>have 150 hours on civ vi because I didn't thought a patch was coming anytime soon and mods fixed the most glaring issues
>patch came in three weeks
so, were you guys patient?

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>DX12

I'd sure love to see the graphics comparison!

Also if there's no fucking restart button in this patch I will SHIT

MY

FUCKING

PANTS

>there were voice recordings for the different eas left out from the initial release

wattttt

>>160475550
They played if you created a game in an advanced era, but 99% of players start in Ancient Era so no one ever heard them

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>>160473678
>Increased the number of Great Works of Writing slots in the Amphitheater to 2.
fucking finally

>still no restart button with same settings but different seed
>still no teams for multiplayer
>still have 12 barbarian horsemen showing up on turn 8

I haven't checked yet but did they fix the glaring combat strength disparities between things like war carts/knights/horsemen and everything else? Are war carts and scythia things still an uncounterable shitshow?
Is it still better as scythia to continually produce light cavalry units and sell them?

>>160476828
>Is it still better as scythia to continually produce light cavalry units and sell them?
This is impossible now, you can't earn gold from selling units.

>>160476727
>Have to start a new game for it to take effect
FUCK

>>160476828
Well if you read the patch notes instead of writing this post ti complain you'd fucking know

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>trying to found religion on Immortal or higher

>can't delete injured units
what's the point of this if you don't get gold nymore?

>>160475141
>150 hours on civ vi
jesus christ I couldn't even get through a second game the game is so shit.

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>>160477176
i just got stonehenge on immortal two games in a row with harald

>>160477201
save on maintenance

>>160476973
>>160476973
Well fuck. But now culture victories are going to be even easier.

>>160477254
Harald? I'm shit with names. What civ? And how? They found stonehenge before I even research mysticism.

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HOW DO YOU WANT YOUR GAME PATCHED

Have they added anything in the UI saying where your traders or spies were going last?
Just about the last thing I had a problem with.

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It's alright, I didn't want any civs in my game anyway.

>>160477378
JUST GIVE ME MY SDK ALREADY

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P5qbcRAXVk

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Significant fucking improvement right here.

>>160477201
Say for whatever reason you're running a gold deficit. If on next turn you would be bankrupt, the game usually auto-sells something in your empire (building or unit) to keep you above water. By selling manually you can control what gets removed instead of a dice roll determining things.

>>160474704
Denying enemy xp?

>>160477775
That's fucking hot.

>no gold from deleting units

so great writers are literally useless now. great.

>>160478621
Amphitheaters now hold 2 great written works, instead of 1

I'm retarded, where's the team option for single player?

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Such a comfy seeming start until you remember districts

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>no restart button
>update breaks restart button mod

>>160480353
>restarting
>so much that you need a restart button
>not just playing the hand you're dealt
lmao

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>>160480578
>dealing with things

>>160480886
>We still can't delete districts.

>>160469595
Is there a game play reason for barbarian camps to never stop respawning?
>Invade another continent
>Nuke it to hell then raze most of the cities
>Barbarians begin showing up on a continent that got rid of the barbs hundreds of years ago
>Mech. Inf Barbarians
>I just pretend they're the shattered resistance fighters/remnant armies from the cities I leveled

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>YOU CAN FIND RELICS FROM VILLAGES

Rad

districts were a mistake

>>160482428
The only thing I dont like about 6 so far are barbs.

Why would a civ hate me for having a "weak" military? Just because I don't have a shit ton of swordsman in the information era doesn't mean my military is weak.....

>>160481724
Barbarians imo should have different unit tree.
Like guerilla and Toyota trucks in modern era.
Highly mobile and with bonus in hard terrain but not so strong in open.

Pigs, I am fond of
Of Pigs, I am fond
Fond of Pigs, I am

>letting my wife's son make the quotes was a mistake

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bravo

>>160478621
>>160478764
still worth it to pick them up and delete, just to deny other civs getting them. also can be used as blockers or explorers

but yeah, GWAM need a secondary ability pronto. either a culture pop or a border pop would be good

>>160483220
what am i looking at? is it the grass dune?

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Did I not get the patch? I still see the old civ select screen.

>>160483617
main menu should have version/build number

>>160483696

1.0.0.38 (235603)

>>160483751
pretty sure release was 1.0.0.26 so looks like you got it

>>160483469
I believe anon is referencing the tile above London that's half dune and half grassland. So yes.

>>160481724
just scatter scouts to reveal the fog of war. boom no more barbs

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>>160473398
That shit happens to me all the goddamn time. I was just fiddling with Flux just now before I saw this post.

So not only are you talking about some obscure thing I was just paying attention to, but you're pointing it out.

Someone's having a fucking laugh with me right now.

Top Tier
>Tomyris
>Gilgamesh
>Frederick

Strong tier
>Peter
>Qin Shi Huang
>Saladin
>Trajan

Decent tier
>Montezuma
>Mvemba
>Gorgo
>Cleopatra
>Pericles
>Victoria

Tier 4
>Ghandi
>Tokimune
>Pedro
>Catherine

Tier 5
>Teddy
>Phillip
>Harald

>>160485123
Sup filthy

>>160485123
Yes anon, we all saw Filthy's tier video.

>>160485123
>tier list
>after a patch just dropped
yea no

>>160485342

Do you agree with it? I think Gilgamesh could go down a tier.

>>160485412
Patch didnt change anything balance wise for the civs themselves.

>>160483428
It boggles my mind why haven't firaxis gave them ability to pop golden age. Considering the game lacks golden age mechanic and in 4 you had to use great people to pop golden age. Maybe in 5 too, I don't quite remember.

>>160485123
>tier 4
>Tokimune

I don't really understand. The district bonus shit is insane for a casual player like me who barely plans his districts, I can only imagine how good it is for autists.

>>160485449
If early-game aggression wasn't so guilt-free and War Carts weren't so overpowering in the early game, I'd believe you. As it stands, the idea that you can eliminate a neighbor very early into the game is too sweet to ignore.

>>160485449
Gilgamesh might not have anything going for him except warcarts, but their existence means more cities (enemy cities) which basically gives you a bonus to everything.

>>160486116
Keep in mind the author of that tier list based it primarily on his experience in multiplayer and on Pangaea.

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>be relaxing in my empire just researching and chill
>suddenly fanatical purifiers declare war on me
>defend myself and protect my galaxy by wiping them out
>somehow I'M the bad guy

>>160483469
>>160484249
That and the farm tiles.

>>160480578
Until they fix the world script to stop half the map being tundra and half the map being desert you're damn fucking right I'm going to restart every time.

>>160486116
it's only for shit tier districts

>>160486407
>not leaving them in shambles and declaring yourself the good guy through the history books

smdh family

>>160486407
I feel for you.
>committing mass genocide of all disgusting primitive alien filth near me, creating a safe habitat for my peoples
>suddenly declare war on nasty xenos that had the gall to spawn next to me, enslaving them to replace my previous slaves that i purged because they had worse genetic traits
>somehow I'M the bad guy

I swear this AI gets so pissy over the smallest things.

Any patch for pirates around?

>>160440427
most things can be kept on automate while you learn the game

>Increased Counterspy operation time

This is nice but why not just make them infinite unless told otherwise like in Civ 5?

>>160488263
Probably some nonsense about encouraging players to do more than let spies just idle in the same spot at all times, even if players and AIs always send them to the same spots.

>>160469595
question, i just notice they put an update out, it mention about:"Added a visual cue for Barbarian Scouts that are alerted to your city."
so dose that mean barbarian spwan scout is to find and raid players units?

Is Civ VI worth getting if I think Civ V is pretty neat?

>>160489110
Anon...
That it is the whole glorious mechanic.
>camp spawn scout
>scout find city
>go back to camp
>camp spawn invasion force
Prevent scout from seeing your city or kill him when he is going back and suddenly barbarians are less of the problem.

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>>160489161
Yes but wait until more patches and DLC and expansions.

>>160489161
Many of the systems in Civ V have been carried over to Civ VI. There's even a tutorial setting that will only chime in when there's a change in the systems from Civ V.

The latest patch fixes a bunch of issues, and it remains to be seen if it is a significant enough tweak to warrant getting the game now and not later.

If you're still on the fence, I would wait until January 19th. That's when the Aztecs will unlock for all players who didn't get the digital deluxe edition.

>>160489161
Civ 6 is worth "getting", but if you want to buy it you should wait for a few patches.

>>160489432
>>160489512
>>160489541
I was planning on waiting for a sale anyway, I never buy games at release retail price anymore. Seems like it's definitely worth a buy though, will put it on my wish list.

>>160485665
golden age seems to have been replaced by effects of amenity surplus. from the manual:
>1 Amenity is required for
each 2 Population, starting at a Population of 3 . A content city will not have any modifier
applied to it, but a happy city will have a 10% growth increase and a 5% yield increase .
Furthermore, an Ecstatic city will have a 20% growth increase and 10% yield increase .

So, what does the DX12 version add?

>>160489316
thanks, too dumb to realize it, i was curious the whole time about why they let barbarian spwan scout in civ6 but never think it work that way till saw the patch note and your respond.

now i know why i always get raid by over 2-3 horseman around turn 10. :x

>>160490497
A reason to justify your win10 purchase.

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>>160490542
Warriors have an advantage against spearmen. So the moment you scout out your first Barbarian camp, run your warrior over and give them the business.

>>160489110
>>160490542
Why do you type like a retard?

Is there a reason to not spam cities in Civilization VI?

>>160491514
Yes. You stop when there's no more luxury resources available to steal.

>>160491838
t. Monty

>>160491881
Who?

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>>160491996
The Tlatoani nigga.

Ay can I not do Cannons ands Cavawhatevers in single player? It's still only showing Standard Ruleset.

>>160492143
Oh that Monty

Monte "If you get that wine, your ass is on the line" zuma
Monte "If you farm that cotton, you'll be found rotten" zuma
Monte "If you kill that Fox, I'll put you in a box" zuma

Does Civilization VI multiplayer have a "start together" option, mod or some other such hack to ensure that the two human players start near each other for a good old comp stomp?
I hated having to restart a few times in Civ5 before me and my buddy started near enough for it to be a co-op game and not just two singleplayer game splayed simultaneously.

>>160492424
Balanced start and pray.

>>160477176
>>160477254

>Anguish over delaying Stonehenge 1 turn to finish Trader
>Japan finishes it the exact turn before me.
>Load Autosave and start it instead of finishing Trader
>Japan finishes it the exact turn before me.

FUCK


Also when the hell are they going to add an option for the resource yields to be shown by default?

>>160492482
Good to see that 20 years later Firaxis still can't make the simplest script.

>>160491416
english is not my mother language mate, sorry if the post hurt your eye.

>>160493885
That's not an excuse for being lazy.

Buy me a beer and a hot meal as an apology.
Please, I'm starving here.

>>160493973
ignore this request

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Bruhs. Brohs. Brehs. How's the new civ6 patch? Is the AI less retarded and less likely to have a standing army of 40 warriors in the 1800s?

>Updated Island Plates map to have more hills and mountains.

best change

>>160496630
They made the AI prioritize upgrading more but they'll still be out of luck if they don't get a strategic resource.

>>160496630
The patch hasn't had a day to process yet.

With how long individual games can take, you at least need a full day for the collective civ autism to process it.

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>>160493973
>>160491238
bloody hell, i chased that bugger but failed to get him, my warrior manage to kill 2 horseman, the camp....it just keep spwaning it after i kill one, and there was 2 scouts, one escap with intel headed east.

I yield, take the beer and food mister.

Is torrent up yet

>>160497339
yes torrent up

>>160496861

Sir I'll have you know that if I was still firing on full civ-autism cylinders I would have gotten deep into a game if not finished one already. I was just slow on the uptake since I've been playing Tranny and didn't even realize the patch hit until just now.

>>160497416
Where?

Should I play more Civ V while waiting on a sale for VI, or finally get round to playing Beyond Earth?

>>160497463
I'm not talking about one person on civ autism, I'm talking the community. Greater sum of it's parts and all that.

>>160497547
internet

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>>160497673

>>160497671
Better way of putting it:

Any civ autist can finish a game and it might not be much.

A thousand civ autists finishing a game might mean you've found the new meta.

>Firaxis didn't fix the Production Overflow exploit because it was discovered and rationalized literally yesterday on Filthy's stream

Time to bully some MP nerds with my magnificent, self-increasing production

If you ever had doubts that the CIV VI release wasn't early access then after this patch it's pretty fucking obvious they released an unfinished game, and are now finishing up the features the game was going to have from the start.

I used to be glad about attracting bird aliens who thrive in arid worlds, but now they outbred my founder species and it makes me irrationally angry.

>>160499293
Looks like you got outfucked.

Also, is talking to curators about mysteries of the universe end conversation for everyone, or just me? I expected some exposition.

So, I'm a beginner in stellaris and I have no idea wtf to do with sectors

Do I make sectors to feed me energy credits and minerals, while I focus my 5 planets on research or do I focus on energy and minerals and make sectors do research?

>>160499674
Research is the one thing you get full benefits from sectors. Although I don't usually bother to specialize my cores.

>>160499674
Simply put, develop your planets first, AND THEN put them in sectors.
The AI in charge of sectors is as dumb as a Trump supporter.

>>160497567

If you've got Rising Tide I'd vote BERT. I only took the briefest look at it with the expansion but it seemed to un-fuck Beyond Earth a decent amount. I've been considering playing a game or two of it while 6 gets patched up just because I'm curious exactly how much RT fixed.

If you haven't got RT then 5 all the way though.

>>160499793
Nice try, libcuck.

>>160499957
Why liberalism in american is a word used by and to retards meaning something completely different than what it means of the rest of the world? Is this what happens when more than 1 person in a country takes Ayn Rand seriously?

>>160499235

As someone who actually remembers the release of V I would hardly call VI "early access", at least it has enough content out of the box instead of selling basic game mechanics post-release.

>>160499235
The game is a mess. Civ V was missing whole pieces.Those are different things.
If
>the big and medium bugs get patched
>they hire someone that does not have fetal alcohol syndrome to do a new UI
>fix the lol so funnhy wiki!
>improve the AI a tad
>rework the research trees
Then the game will be at least good and much more than 5 was. Even rivaling CivV+ expansions

>>160500029
>I can't have an opinion which can offend anyone so I'd pretend I am above it all

>>160499771
>>160499793
So I would get more benefit from research sectors than energy/mineral ones I guess?

What about slaves?

I enslaved some cucked birds and I made their whole empire into a sector, what to do with them?

>>160500168
Liberalism means little government dummy. Not whatever you redditors are raging against thesedays

>>160500205
EXTERMINATE
EXTERMINATE
EXTERMINATE

>>160500205
>I enslaved some cucked birds and I made their whole empire into a sector, what to do with them?
Make them work farms and mines. They can't work power plants and labs (Well, they can, but poorly) so either free those or make everything into mines)

>>160497864
kek, I dont even know what torrent you want mate

>>160500226
Semantics is what typical libcucks resort to. It doesn't matter what it means, what matters is the people who call themselves liberals act like complete retards. So your remark about "Trump supporters" doesn't hold any weight and that's why you resorted to "above it all" tactics.
By your logic, Trump isn't a true white nazi KKK supremacist either, since he made GOP (who are white nazi KKK supremacists according to libcuck lore) completely buttdevastated during primaries.

>>160500648
>/r/The_donald the post

>>160500648

>"Hurr durr doesn't matter libs are retards here's my strawman do you like it ?"

/pol/ is the other way. We've just dropped a new patch, I'd rather discuss than rather than shitpost

>>160499293
It should make you irrationally hungry.

>>160500226
>redditors
Literally everything you posted sounds like something ripped straight from r/politics though, mr. contrarian

>>160500795
>I surely will win if I call him reddit
>>160500998
>strawman
I bet libs chimping out in California is also a strawman for you.

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Please tell me my third city and Rome both are going to receive the factory bonus from the third and the second industrial districts

>>160500047
>>160500165
I'm not saying it has few features, I'm saying the ones that are there aren't finished. The game feels like they needed more time but didn't want to delay it. Unless your character declaring war on oyurself when joint war is declared with an unknown civ is how they planned it from the start? Or that shittyass loading where it just tells you "Unique Building"

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>>160501239
wrong screenshot

>>160501401

Industrial adjacency is 6 tiles from industrial tile to city center tile both included with power plant

9 tiles if Toronto is in the game

How's the new civ vi patch?

>>160501861
Making a patch means admitting something's wrong with the game.
Why are you a hater? Are you a cuck who started playing Civ games with the fifth one?

>>160501861
Pretty good

>>160501861

It fixed a bunch of shit, but there's still a bunch of shit to be fixed

It also had very limited impact on fixing the balance and meta, outside of very specifically nerfing the Maneuver card

They need to patch in a way to see current active and previous trades, when they ended etc. Or is it in game somewhere and I can't see it?

>>160499793
>AI in charge of sectors is as dumb as a Trump supporter
So it's anti-war, wants to unfuck foreign policy in the middle east, and hates corruption, plutocracy, and pay-to-play politics? Sounds pretty good, actually.

>>160502908
It's stupid, believes everything it reads on the internet, and hate Mexicans because his daughter got fucked by one.

>>160503575
>believes everything it reads on the internet
It must burn that your media no longer has the influence it once had. Outreach onto the internet this cycle was too little, too late, but I'm sure your side will have it more under control for the next election, or the one after. I'm actually curious to see how your guys are planning on trying to achieve it in 2020 or 24.

>>160501861
Quality of life/UI has been improved, bug fixes are plentiful and relevant and the little bit of policy balancing seems decent (double cav production Sid you madman).

Overall I'm happy. It seems like they are actually looking at the player feedback.

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>AI sends missionaries
>kill them with Apostles
>religious pressure drop makes AI city swap to my religion
>[AI] is denouncing you! (You converted one of their cities)
fucking
lmao

>>160498784
What exploit?

>>160503914

All overflowing production is affected by production modifiers, and then gets re-modified when it is applied on the next project by the next production modifier

So, if you build a ton of units with the production cards plugged in, you can get insane amounts of production out of nowhere

Why is there no Food district?

>>160502908
good thing all of that is relevant for managing internal infrastructure

>>160504515
Ability to make better choices seems useful.

>ESC now closes the Tech, Civic, and Eureka popups.

thank fuck

>>160504717
hope it also closes the unit promote screen. shit is aggravating when it bugs out and you try to escape and it only opens the game menu instead.

>>160504717
yeah, hearing one of the bad quotes, then hearing it again after pressing escape is infuriating

>>160504880
IT'S THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION

>Added a setup option "No Duplicate Leaders" that is enabled by default. This option prevents multiple players from selecting the same leader.
CIV VI IS FIXED
I REPEAT
IT IS GOOD NOW

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>So, I hate robots and I love deserts
>I think I migrate to robot-populated tomb world

>>160487063
This, I force vassalize an empire, integrate it, than give each individual planet independence. This splits the empire into five or so micronations that are still vassalized

>>160504428
not much ancient stuff to put there. mills and markets already exist elsewhere. you get feudal triangle farms and similar stuff instead

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>>160505813
GIB RIGHTS

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>[AI TUNING]

Is it fixed yet?
Can I play now?

Please say yes, fug, I wanna play so bad.
I bought it but haven't played mainly because I heard the ai was retarded. Did this fix it or at least improve it?

>>160504092
So for example I can get a boost for a wonder if I spam Jaguars while the 50% bonus for ancient units is active?

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Wait, what? Those are different things now?

The patch fucked up the change to let tool tips appear faster. Now the change to the LUA file and the other one don't do anything.

>>160503841
>religious civ
>expecting them to be pleased when you won't accept their superior faith

>>160507742
yes, because now you can change it in the options menu

>>160507929
Oh that's handy, thanks

So does the Civ6 patch makes the game somewhat playable and fun now? Anyone tried and can comment/bitch/moan?

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>>160508517
This change is nice

Never played civ in my life, should I pirate it?

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And they put a little blinking ! on scouts you have to kill to avoid having your anus destroyed by barbs

>>160473678
>No gold for selling units
Now that's stupid.

>>160505813
same here, few times i tried to make a robot-only planet to support production, those moving pop always ruine my work like that pic, to me migrate system in this game is a total bollocks due to those stupid choice, but i think i might be can call it "realistic" somehow.

btw synthetic rebellion event are kind of making me sad, i always give them citizen rights but it still happened few times, is there any event about some synthetic stand out and help defending the riot during rebellion?

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to those who haven't been playing because of retarded ai
playing on deity and i can confirm the ai has improved and most glaring issues have been adressed
there is still a lot of work to be done but at least they are listening
let's hope for balance changes soon because having to ban scythia and sumeria in mp games is ghey

Maybe a stupid Civ 6 question here

I'm having a hard time figuring out why you'd want to attack a city state. The only real circumstance I can think of when you should do it is when another civ has controlling envoys in it and you want to take it to deny them the bonus. Other than that, why would you ever want to attack one? Is there a benefit I'm not seeing?

>>160508946
dumbest question i ever seen

what reason is there not to pirate something

fucking retard

>>160509482

If you discover that they're sitting on an important strategic resource which you need and you can't become their suzerain.

>>160509464
How has it been improved?

>>160509482
>deny suzeiran to enemy
>deny trade routes to enemy
>deny luxury/strategic resources to enemy
>gain strategic/luxury resources for yourself (by taking it)
>gain strategic geographic location (by taking it)
etc

>>160508779
Why is it just a solid color though? You have no idea what's there.

Is trading with AIs still broken?

>>160508517
the game has been playable and fun to me since it was released. i think people have wildly different expectations about what the game should be and what they want it to be. with that in mind i think its something you have to judge for yourself by playing the game.

>>160509664
>allies won't attack you
>ai actually upgrades units (when they can)
>easier to befriend ai when your agendas align
>no instant dow when you meet a new civ
>no retarded fwd settling (as far as i have seen)
i'll go into more detail after supper

>>160509825
God damn, all those things sound great

>>160509825

Don't forget

>AI actually prioritises space now

I've won a Deity game because the leading science civ didn't give a shit about space, no more hopefully.

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>mfw an ai near me went broke upgrading all their shit
>mfw i took the opportunity to go to war with them and crippled them by sacking all their trade routes
>mfw i slowly took over all their cities and wiped them out

So is the AI more likely to trade their duplicate luxury resources now?

>>160510240
yes
doesn't mean they still won't try and jew you, though

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Aw, hell.

How are Unbidden in the Heinline/Leviothan version?

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I'm going to try and play Banished!

>>160506476

Please respond.
Is the ai ok now?
Is diplomacy still fucked?

>inb4 why don't you play it yourself and find out faggot

Because this takes some hours to see and would rather not spoil myself and play it while it's still shit.

>>160511123
it's better
not perfect, by any means
but playable without facepalming

>>160486930
Districts get +1 from nearby districts no matter.

>>160505813
People do that fucking constantly in real life

>I hate white people and white culture
>lemme just move to a white country

>>160507301
They've always been different.

Can we just revert diplomacy to how it was? I feel like I have almost no control over city states. I wanna go back to throwing money at them.

>>160509482
suzerainty > neutral city-state with six envoys > annexation > enemy annexation > enemy suzerainty
basically you assault them when they have far too much enemy envoys for you to compete

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how do I patch on pirate?

>>160511971
get fucked

civ v city states were a mess

>>160511991
retard

>>160511836
Yeah, niggers definitively came here out of their own volition. -5/10 I don't know why I replied.

>>160512173
Hurr durrr I'm stupid - you

How's the new patch for civ6? Is it good?

>>160511991
you wait for a patch to be uploaded on pirate sites, retard. who let summerfags in here.

>>160512173

You should get out more.

>>160512173
They're not in much of a hurry to go back to africa

>>160511602

Good enough, thank you.

It's weird that they didn't try to rebalance civs though, I heard some people complain about them but oh well. At least they actually patched the game, that shows that at least they care. I was afraid they would say "fuck it, all those 9/10 reviews we paid for are good enough" and run with the money.

>>160512250
maybe read the fucking last 20 replies and get your answer, fucktard

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>>160512243
>>160512279
>>160512281
>/r/The_donald, the post
This is /civ4xg/ stormwinies.

>>160512313
i assume balance patch will be next
it takes time and testing to get it right

>>160512281
And you're not in much of a hurry to go back to England, yet you've all been American the same length of time.