/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

First for not posting threads early you Lucifer wannabe

>>160237474
I read it as 765 instead of 705

I feel bad.

Why do I have this urge to play DaS2? The game sucks.

>>160237691
After all these years you've finally developed good taste

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SAY SOMETHING NICE ABOUT DARK SOULS 2 OR I'M TELLING MOM YOU TOOK THE LAST COOKIE

>>160238170
It was not dark souls3

>>160238170
Best build variety of any game thanks to the infusion system.

>>160238170
Best magic schools

>>160238170

It was better than Dark Souls III

It had bonfire ascetics

It had the best pvp

It had the most viable builds

It had the best magic

It had weapons with unique movesets, instead of generic WAs

>>160238170

Every time I think of something good to say about DaS2 I'm reminded of all the stupid shit it introduced. I'll say this though, the best thing about DaS2 is that it actually tried to bring something new to the series. If the game was called something else than Dark Souls, I would have probably enjoyed it more.

>>160238793
>It had weapons with unique movesets
There are entire weapon classes that have the same moveset in Dark Souls 2.
I ain't saying DaS3's approach of "if this were any other game this sick attack would be an r2 but we're gonna make you two hand the weapon and tie it to a meter to use it" is any better but come on man.

>>160239397
>There are entire weapon classes that have the same moveset in Dark Souls 2.
And in DS3 that's the rule, not the exception.

>>160237007
>no pcfcgf

>>160239615
A real depressing feel.

One I know well

>>160239613
Honestly it's about even with DaS2 in terms of this issue. At the very least all the Black Knight weapons have their proper movesets in full as well as unique weapon arts, they should have been the model for the rest of the weapons, really.
Hell thrusting swords have the exact same problem between the games, where all but 2 have the same R2s, it's fucking dumb.

>Dark Souls 3 didn't make it so your two-handed L1 is an attack and not a shitty little block
imagine how far this would go to correct problems with lack of weapon variety. Thats a whole new button to work with.

Has anyone beaten Friede with a heavy weapon (GS, UGS, GA etc.)?

>>160240175
My blind run was with a Claymore and it was piss easy

>>160240175
I beat her around my 7th tome with a gs and my 3rd time another run using a millwood ace and great axe

>>160240175
BKGS.

>>160240175
Zwei on my 27-40 quality

>>160240175
Claymore was ez

>>160240251
>>160240407
>>160240442
>>160240480
So why do I see people in other places whine about how the fight is impossible without a fast weapon?

>>160240529
They probably lack any game sense that isn't hand held for them like how hyper armor isnt properly explained

>>160240175
Beat her with a pickaxe, went okay

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>playing DS2 online for the first time
>messages and bloodstains everywhere. Constant stream of phantoms. Can see soapstone signs even at a really low level
>DS2 is significantly more active than DS1
I was meme'd. Why didnt you guys tell me?

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HYYYYYAAAAA !

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>>160240879

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>>160238170
Zullie and Alva is qt

>>160240251
Greatswords are literally 3-4 frames slower then longswords post-DLC anon.

>>160237007
>t.claire
>the guy who says he'll start up his N64
>the shitty scythe ornstein
>black flame spam
>pcfcbf references

this image is spot fucking on, I love /dsg/

>>160241098
>tfw i started most of those memes

they make the threads seem more lively at least

>>160238170
The Desert Sorceresses satisfy my masked women fetish very well.

>>160237691
>>160238170

DS2 is the best game in the series

>>160241098
What's even the joke with Ornstein and the scythes?

Why does he have them and also a cape?

>>160240175
66 yhorms, shat on her.

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How did we go from this?

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>>160238793
>Most viable builds

Ring of Dexfag Supremacy and literal infinite combos alone invalidate this, unless you're actual going to argue that:

>CAESTUS USED DEX/STR AND THEREFORE WAS QUALITY WHEN IT INFINITE COMBO'D YOU
>THIS GREATSWORD USED MOSTLY STR THEREFORE WAS A STR BUILD WHEN IT INFINITE COMBO'D YOU

Is build variety then you are retarded. I've seen more actual builds (Miracle/Lightning characters, INT soulmass spammers, Pyromancers, STR and DEXfags, shield/spear pokers and Ultra hyperarmor users) in 3s arena than I EVER FUCKING DID in 2s arena. And that is a fact, not your shitty opinion. I haven't even mentioned SM which alone obliterates your argument.

Best PvP and Dark Souls 2 should never even be in the same fucking sentence.

kys

>>160241463
I assume it refers to the guy in AW body armor with the Ornstein head who CE'd the scythes in for the first FC after the pre-AoA patch went out who just R1 spammed the L2 stance.

And he still does it. In almost every FC. It's deeply annoying to play against. I'm at least assuming it's him, anyway.

>>160240175
Beat her with the Propane GS. Took me a good few hours to do.

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>>160241551
To this?

So how well do the dlc sorceries work? I'm trying to create a frost build.

>>160241658
snap freeze is great, frozen weapon blows because it doesn't add AR.

Why do people harp on DaS2's Earthen Peak -> Iron Keep disconnect but praise BB's Astral Clocktower behind Ludwig's church when it's not visible at all from outside the church? Also climbing up a tower and leading to a gulf of an ocean?? Helllo?

>>160241736
bbfags

>>160241685
Interesting, does it tell you how much frost it adds? Is it just 33/34 or is it more?

>>160240175
I have a friend that beat her ng+7 with Yorm's. I called bullshit on NG+6, so he rushed back to her, summoned me, and made me watch.

>>160241736
Feel free to post this again when Earthen Peak and Iron Keep are both set in an actual nightmare realm where nothing makes sense at all on purpose.

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One day... One day I'll fucking get the stupid black knight greatsword on the build where I actually want it.

>>160241736
Because rather than being a band aid for cut content they establish two things: 1. The nightmare/dream worlds in BB are unstable and don't make much physical sense and 2. They hint at the Hamlet being above the Hunter's Nightmare early on, on the way to get the Whirligig a snail-woman falls to her death in front of you with no place for her to come from above you.

The Earthen Peak -> Iron Keep disconnect was just cut content. Look at the CGI DaS2 trailer. You can see a grey, volcanic wasteland where the pro tag guy is fighting Manakinfags, with the mountain off in the distance. THIS was supposed to be how you reach Iron Keep, but was cut because DaS2 experienced some kind of dev hell.

>>160241736
I-IT'S A NIGHTMARE ANYTHING GOES!!!

>>160241857
>are both set in an actual nightmare realm where nothing makes sense at all on purpose.
I thought that's what Drangleic was supposed to be

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>>160241736
Because shitting on ds2 is the "cool" thing to do even though many aspects of it are better than the other games.

>>160241891
>ShitSoulsTwo niggers being this deluded

>>160241902
Drangelic is just a shitty cursed place, exactly like Lordran.

The only reason anyone could even get this impression is because of retarded shit like Iron Keep.

>>160241951
>Miyazacucks drowning in this much jap cum

>>160241959
>Drangelic is just a shitty cursed place, exactly like Lordran.
Lordran, where time and space are fucked because of the breakdown of the first flame?

>>160241857
Drangelic is like Lothric where it's amalgamation of worlds passed. It's not suppose to be like Lordran which is an intact world.

>>160241959
Time is convoluted only works if it's a miyazaki game, then?

>>160241996
>Lordran, where time and space are fucked because of the breakdown of the first flame?

Yes, Lordran. The place where you can clearly see Dukes Archives from Anor Londo. Where you can see the forest from the Taurus Demon bridge.

Or, like Drangelic. Where you can see the massive statue above the Forest of Giants from most places on the map, or where you can see Heide's Tower of Flame from Majula.

Its almost like the Earthen Peak ---> Iron Keep fuckup was a mistake, and not in line with the rest of the games in the series? Its almost like the only reason people actually take time out of their day to defend it is to be contrarian Imagine that.

>>160242136
It's almost like DS2 was better at having its environment sell the idea that time and space was broken.

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it was actually pretty fun

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>He doesn't weaponskill greatshield + caestus now that it has fast as shit one handed speed

poising kick attempts and punching niggas with shield turtle bullying included

they can't even spam your greatshield for fear of sudden poise punch, anyone who tries to suddenly mash R1 gets deleted

>poor lil greatsword boi

top kek like I give a fuck shit nigga I have REAL POISE

>>160238170

The sheer amount of variety and freedom makes building characters so much fun despite its massive flaws.

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>>160242181
You mean like in DaS3, where you actually saw the world warping and morphing towards the end? When characters in-game even started to mention it?

Or like in DaS2, where it happened once, was never talked about again, and no one acknowledges it happens almost like a mista-

Oh.

:^)

>>160242321
>Or like in DaS2, where it happened once, was never talked about again, and no one acknowledges it happens almost like a mista-
That's hardly the only disconnect in the game man. There's several places where you walk through a door or tunnel and seem to have teleported twenty miles.

>>160242321
>once
Shrine of Winter is a bright sunny day
Walk under the bridge to Drangelic castle and it's a stormy night.

But tell go ahead and raise the goal post and ask for another example.

>das3 world warping and morphing
when and where buddy?

>>160242321
>You mean like in DaS3, where you actually saw the world warping and morphing towards the end?
I'm a retard, but, what? When? Where?

>>160242460
>>160242454
it turned orange and big goatse in sky!!!! also the eyes ludleth plot plot

>>160242460
>>160242454
Not him but the area before you fight, where the dark Firelink and single bonfire is, and where you fight the Soul of Cinder, so pre-arena, have backdrops which are buildings and terrain mashed together. I'll go take a screenie.

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>>160242520
>>160242460
>>160242454
Here. I'm surprised you guys didn't know, it was a huge thing back when the game came out since it was the first time the whole "The world is getting fucked up" became actually palpable.

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>running into pickaxe guys
>laugh at them
>get deleted in 2 hits

>immediately try it out on my str build
>black flame onyx guys are suddenly ezmode

The pickaxe if you do it right is more OP than all the greatswords, 1 week from now every cunt is going to be using it after orofaggot makes a video as per fucking usual

look at this fucking shit

With the new poise changes in the latest patch, how much poise do you need for a Great Hammer to poise through all 2H Greatsword attacks?

>He invades

>>160242720

Works fine in DS2 on PC desu.

>>160242606
>>160242520
>>160242460
>>160242454
>>160242408
>DaS2fags haven't even beaten DaS3 and didn't see this

I'm in fucking tears holy shit

It explains so much

>The only people who like DaS2 are the ones who never beat DaS3 or probably DaS1

You know what? They probably never even beat DaS2 either, its the only way they could even enjoy that god awful fucking game

>>160242662
>he doesn't know

>>160242781
>I'm in fucking tears holy shit
Yeah we can tell.

>>160242720
I try, but these lazy gooks won't fix Dark Souls' multiplayer on steam and DSCM doesn't really carry the weight

>>160242781
There's no need to be rude anon I prefer 3 to 2
I'd just not noticed it

>>160242781
There is a different between a zone disconnect and an area made up of broken buildings and rubble.

DaS3's only example is the very last area of the game which spans 5 minutes of the total game.

>>160242858
And DaS2's only example is a fucking elevator which feels and looks like a big old "Oh fuck I forgot to connect these two levels" mistake by some lazy jap retards.

If I had to compare these two side by side i'd say DaS3 did it better.

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how the fuck am I supposed to kill the 2 sullyvahn beasts at the aldritch faithful bonfire?
I know they are weak to bleed but they keep 1 shotting me before I can get them down to half health. even pulling 1 to do 1v1 its still impossible to kill because all it takes is a single lightning fast bite and im 1HKO

>>160242927
>And DaS2's only example
There's tons of examples and more than one have been pointed out to you.

>>160242935
Why did Lautrec like to kill Firekeepers?

>>160242927

koopa castle elevator is better than DS3's fucking "oops we forgot to have a transition from starting area to lothric castle, better just have the player teleport there" lamo

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....I have never been so happy for a stupid drop in a game.

>>160242927
Earthen Peak -> Iron Keep
Shrine -> Drangelic Castle
Betwixt - > Majula
Majula -> Copse
Aldia's Keep -> Archdragon Peak
Drangelic Castle -> Shrine of Amana

>>160241584

>Ring of Dexfag Supremacy and literal infinite combos

Did you only play Dark Souls II in 2014 you stupid IIIcuck? Infinity combos are impossible now. Should I go around and judge the (still)awful pvp of III by how it was at release?

> I've seen more actual builds (Miracle/Lightning characters, INT soulmass spammers, Pyromancers, STR and DEXfags, shield/spear pokers and Ultra hyperarmor users) in 3s arena than I EVER FUCKING DID in 2s arena

Not only are you wrong(because what I see is CCS, Black Onyx, Valorheart and metashit), but the arena in II had way more variety.

It is amazing how much dissonance III fans can muster up.

Flynn's ring is only useful at lower levels, when you start getting into NG+ levels, armor absorption combined with vitality means that a low %load Flynn's build will be gimped in comparison to the competition.

>>160242935
Get good, faggot.
Yes, Pontiff Beasts are ridiculous. Their hitbox is fucking bullshit, being underneath them they'll interrupt everything you do.
Sword and board it and get a good sequence of attacks, then get lucky twice.
If you wear Slumbering Dragoncrest you can pull one at a time. If you kill just one it still won't come back, which makes it a lot easier.
You can bait them to the ladder and drop attack on them for a quarter of their health.

>>160243170
Dark Souls 3 has the most disgusting meta weapons of all the games with Gargoyle Flame Spear and Red Hilted Halberd.

>>160242190
Are you controlling aldrich?

>>160243129
>Earthen Peak -> Iron Keep
Could technically be categorized as distortion if you're reaching. Likely just a stupid design choice.
>Shrine -> Drangelic Castle
Hardly. The weather changes.
>Betwixt - > Majula
Clear physical connection, time of day changes and that's it.
>Majula -> Copse
I don't even remember this one.
>Aldia's Keep -> Archdragon Peak
Archdragon Peak isn't even in DS2. If you mean DRAGON AERIE then still bullshit because there's a fucking bridge connecting them.
>Drangelic Castle -> Shrine of Amana
How?

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>>160243129
>Lists day/night time changes as the distortion of the world

>>160243170
>Lists infinite combos as a "release problem" with DaS2

W
R
O
N
G

>>160243258
>Red Hilted

Are you literally complaining about a weapon that has the frightening upside of...pokes with good tracking? As a disgusting weapon? When DaS2 had 5hit GS combos? And the retarded Joker/Turtle chestpieces? I thought people ITT said DaS3s backstabs were too weak? What about DaS2 literally nullifying them?

What buffable halberds are good in both pve/pvp? Spears are also acceptable.

>>160243370

Gower's got nerfed, meanwhile DSIII combat is literally

*unzip parrying tool*
*hornet ring riposte*

*fish for a backstab*
*hornet ring backstab*

Critical modifying items are a mistake.

>>160243450
*unzip parrying tool*
*hornet ring riposte*

*fish for a backstab*
*hornet ring backstab*

1. Backstabs in 3 are not nearly good enough to pull off on anyone that isn't parry fishing

2. Parryfishing is invalidated by one of the many weapons that is unparriable. Unlike, say, a 5hit combo that relies only on where the tip of your fucking sword is.

>>160243050
Congratulations

Remember this post as you stomp, pancake and throw people into the air

>playing as a blue, get summoned
>find red, host nowhere to be soon
>red keeps emoting and walking up to me not attacking
>play along, he keeps showing his back to me and emoting
>figure he wants me to backstab him
>do it until he has 60 health
>he whips out a bloodlust and seppukus in front of me
RIP

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Well hello there !

>>160242707
ultra weapons were nerfed further, there is no reason to use them now, their hyper armor starts so late that no amount of poise matters because anyone can stagger you right before the HA frames start

if you use an ultra anything you're going to lose to everyone but absolute, fresh out of high wall novices

>>160243028
Because he was a waifufag and obsessed with Fina
Like most Souls stuff it isn't really explained but he likely did it because her existence offended Fina in some way (or at least that's what he assumed)

Combat: Bloodborne is best
PvP: DaS2 is best
World Design: DaS1 is best, even with it's sub-par second half
OST: DaS3 is best (literally only thing good about the game 2bh)
Story: DaS2 is best
Lore: DeS is best.

What buffable halberds are good in both pve/pvp? Spears are also acceptable.

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LF coop PC

DLC wolf

pw : dsg

at bonfire :3

>>160243752

All of them desu

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>>160243028

Most fools have more humanity than they know what to do with. Now, who do you imagine will make the best use of it, hmm?

>>160243748
>Story: DaS2 is best

hold up nigga, DeS has the best story, and the best overall writing in general.

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Those fucking fools on the outside

>>160243816
I'm a sucker for "everything you do is pointless and won't ever matter" story that DaS2 had.

>>160243789

Please summon me.

>mfw coming back to play the dlc after having a breaks for months

goddam I am going to have to start a new character I have forgotten everything about this game. Doesn't help I respecced my main to be a glass cannon either. It was for the sole purpose of invading before yorn, using the obscuring ring and casting soul stream down the narrow hallway to one shot the whole group at once.

>>160243789
Wolf Status: Bleeding

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>>160243858

I dont know if it was you I summoned but the wolf is dead :3

Also thank you for the help!

>>160243998
it wasn't me
im worthless
not even random anon on dsg will summon me
why do i bother with such pitiful meaningless existence

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What is a good light-weight weapon for pyros that isnt Onyx?

>>160244086
I G N O R A N T

S
L
A
V
E

>>160244106

>using weapons as pyro

I mean you could just get good.

Still though witchs locks are choice.

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>>160243998

It wasn't me but this isn't me either >>160244086 (he's not wrong though)

>>160241736
Because 99% of the people in this general are from reddit and they try really hard to agree with memes to fit in so they can post about it on reddit for upboats.

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>>160244153
>>160244086
wait

if you werent summone

and i wasnt summone

who was phonetom?

im spooked holy fugk

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>>160244131
HOW QUICKLY YOU FORGET

>>160244242
>the reaction image
okay

Did someone really just say that Backstabs were more nerfed in DaS2 than 3? Scrub detected, can you even roll catch someone rolling away from you with a backstab in DaS3? I don't think so. In fact being able to backstab someone rolling away from you might fix the fact that you can spam roll without any serious punishment in DaS3

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heheheh

source: some chinese guy

>>160244357
*puts on jester suit
*laughs

>>160244423

It's a shame that his persona couldn't kill Havel

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>mfw hidden body in brawls
This arena is made for it, its so fucking gray people actually don't notice me at times

>>160244483
>This arena is made for it, its so fucking gay people actually don't notice me at times

fixed that for you, bb~

>host gets stuck inside a tree at Anor Londo
>lol that's pretty funny
>well, okay, enough already
>attack
>two Aldrichs fucking rape me
>reinvade
>invade the exact same person, they're clearing out enemies
>so they killed me and then killed the host, like how fucking dare I
I'm at 27 of 39 vertebrae. I'm fucking screaming.

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>>160244539
thanks bb

>>160244632
>39
Sorry, 29.

I've been holding off on playing DS3 for awhile.

Trying to play on PC now and getting crashes every so often.

Is there any way to identify whats causing the crash?

>invade lothric at SL12
>host has a pickaxe

nah fuck you

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>>160244825
Just don't get hit mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_GHD4cPEsQ

>>160245090
I would praise that sun.

>>160245090
>That head
Could actually be a FromSoft design

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LF coop dragonslayer armor im waiting at fog fate

pw : dsg

:3

>>160245090
source?

>>160245591
ds1

Did Knight Lautrec get killed by the Chosen Undead, or did he disembowel himself after killing Ornstein and Smough, meeting Gwyndolin and realizing that Anor Londo was empty?

>>160245163

I cant even identify where the hell that is, or what the skip would accomplish. That is not explained.

>>160245743

It skips the screaming crows after the ice slide.

>>160240894
your silvers and fabrics clash please kys

>>160245632
thanks

>>160243853
but that's literally the story of every single Souls game. Aldia is almost like one of the writers decided to be cheeky and pointed out what a fucking cop out the cycle is but could only go with an equally stupid "durr explore beyond light and dark".

Also DS1 had the best music. I can't remember shit from 3 besides maybe Undead Legion and Betrayal and only Majula from 2.
Some of the most basic ass vaguely orchestra action shit around. Like their final boss is literally just ripping the clean piano from Gwyn and making sure some bitch goes "OOOAOOAHAHAHH" over it.

DS1 had that, but also really distinct shit like fucking Nito. Now that's how you use chanting.

>>160245456

Ill grab my NDS

What should my attunemet and intelligence levels be at for an int build?

>>160245770

Its a good speedrun skip, thats kinda cool. But id prefer to take the normal run through and grab the soul after the Corvian Knight than take the minute of time saver.

>>160246068

I was thinking of it as something to use on invasions. Like all those trickjumps in Darkroot.

>>160245931
>I can't remember shit from 3 besides maybe Undead Legion and Betrayal

I know what you mean, but don't tell me this shit didn't give you chills the first time.

https://youtu.be/TmccPPaRb3w

>dat stage 2 moment

>>160245668
Judging by where you find the body I'd guess the latter, if you killed him outright during the invasion he'd be in the main hall, or succumbed to his wounds next to a bonfire like Kirk did, instead he's up in the rafters slumped in a corner.
The CU stopping him before he could try to offer up the Firekeeper's soul probably didn't help though, crushed his poor little dreams of world domination right before the payoff.

>>160246060

10/40

spells suck

>>160245456
Ill start up my Atari

>>160246013
>>160246276

He probably killed the boss already thanks to his secret co-op bf.

>>160245931
>I can't remember shit from 3

I remember Pontiff's theme, as well as first phase and some of second phase NK's, Vordts, Dancers, and Angry Revolver Dad. 3 had MUCH better music than 2. 2 is the one where I can't remember dick except Pursuer's theme.

1s was shit though. Aside from O&S and Seathe the music was ass. And don't go full reddit/YT comment section and tell me Gwyns theme is anything utter than fucking trash, it was trash when they bought it back in SoC fight too.

BB had the best music. It was 10/10 because it was an actual fucking orchestra. You can easily tell when they're synthesizing this shit and when they aren't, DeS was also synth'd but at least it was much more thematic and calm as opposed to muh grandiose chanting garbage.

Fuck, that is 4 times in a row I had aldrich at about a 16th of his health left and he fucked me...

Anyone wanna help?

Sl 20 w/ +3
Outside fog gate
Ps4
Pass: dsghalp

>>160245931

I loved the Abyss Watchers theme, i enjoyed the play for Soul of Cinder and my honest favorite for 3, and one of my highest rated ones is the fucking Gravetender. Wolf intro makes my dick hard

>>160246608

I shall assist my friend! Be there in a sec

>>160246750
Thanks.
I'm there waiting

>Beat the game for the first time.
>Link the fire.
>My guy pokes the sword.
>Hand catches on fire.
>Just kind of stares at it.
>Sits down.
>Camera pans out.
>Credits roll.
I feel accomplished.

>>160246885
>he's actually trying to link the Fire when game constantly hints that the fucking thing went completely hollow and it's time to stop trying to revive it and either reset it or go with a hollowed flame and world of undeads

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"Bonfires were a mistake" - Unkindled One

Anybody on PS4 want to help me transfer like 2 things?

I dont want to waste a re-spec just for 10 int.

>>160246560
>muh grandiose chanting garbage
>remembers 3, grandiose chantings greatest hits
>picks another chanting song out of DS2 and praises two in DS1
>praise DeS for being calm and thematic
>hates Gwyn theme
>le reddit :^) XD kill yourself

You're so fucking contrarian you contradict yourself

>>160238170
Dark Souls 2 had a legit good NG+ system and if Dark Souls 3 had had any of that, it would've been more interesting to play.

The whole thing about being able to get drenched in water and have fire defense go up but lightning defense go down was also interesting and gave areas a little character.

>>160247250

Can do boss, where do ya need me!

>>160247328
High wall!!

Pass is rings.

I'll be there in 2 minutes, got invaded

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>>160246885

>>160246750
Awesome, thank you!

Funny, I killed dancer on my 3rd try and dragonslayer armor on my first, but that prock just keeps taking me out for sone reason...

>>160247326

torches were neato

shitty implementation but neato

same with pharris stones
yore was just shitty

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>>160247253
Vordts theme had a fast enough pace to justify it, Dancer's was slow as fuck and far from grand, NKs also had chanting but at least had the visuals to justify it, Pursuer's theme was much more than just chanting, it was almost akin to the Jaws theme music, it fit what the Pursuer was absolutely perfect.

And DeS WAS calm and thematic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxiYftRbtj4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBYLtyaGXP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaZWK0RaPFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQw1rPMn95E

>hates gwyn theme

Yeah, I do, Gerhman's theme blows it out of the fucking water even if it DOES have chanting near the end.

Now present some arguments before you go off like a cuck or stay mad, kid.

>>160247361

Well 5 arrows killed me. I counted the controller vibrations. The pain is real. If you need more help, shout out, im happy to help my fellow Ps4 people

>>160242460
>intro cutscene
>emma tells you
>Undead Settlement has huge crevices from the land shifting
>Cathedral of the Deep being clearly ripped out of it's location and placed where it is now
>the lore on the High Wall banner says that the High Wall just appeared one day

>>160247210
I don't recall any hinting and I was trying to pay attention to any plot. I remember the prince saying that it was futile but I figured he was just being a bitch and trying to dissuade me from offing him. The Keeper told me to link it, Ludleth told me to link it, Pyromancer guy said to be afraid of it, and Yuria said to seize it but also seemed to be using/manipulating me.

That said I wasn't being sarcastic. I did genuinely feel pretty sated with that ending.

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>friend tries out Dark Souls 1
>have to tell him how to manage his inventory and how to beat the Asylum Demon
>still takes him about 2 hours to beat him
>doesn't know where to go from Firelink and quits

>lend him Dark Souls 2
>quits because he can't reach the forest of the fallen giants
>tells me he has too few Estus, can't do it
>quits

>lend him Dark Souls 3
>guide him a little
>was stuck on Abyss Watchers for days
>tell him to explore the swamp water area and find another path to a different boss
>can't find it and quits

>watch friend play Bloodborne
>keeps asking me where to go
>gets pissed when I don't tell him
>quits at Gascoigne

Keep in mind I didn't force him to play the games. He saw me play and asked if he could borrow them because they look like fun

>>160247328
On my way.

>>160247594

So my signs down with the pass, that all good?

>>160247648
pass is rings

Cant see your sign

>>160247486
Yeah, low level runs are killer.
I think the twin princes will likely 1 shot me with most of their attacks.
Not looking forward to it...

>>160247517
also the actual road into Irithyll is buried, we're basically using a back entrance that wasn't initially supposed to even be there

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>>160247573

>owns a console
>has friends

>>160241658
They're both supposed to be super low investment options, since they don't scale and have low requirements. In PvE some of the bleed immune mobs are vulnerable to frost, so it's kind of like a Rouge alternative.

Won't accomplish much in PvP.

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>>160244106
every kinda light weapon with lowish requirements. Longsword, Claymore, Winged Spear, Falchion, Handaxe, etc. Just infuse them with dark and you are good to go.

>>160247745
>be a non-NEET human
>have friends

Does this seem odd to you?

I have a mage pure build with 60 magic, 13 strenght adn 16 dex. what melee weapons are a good compliment to this?

>>160241959
It's nearly 2017 and people still don't understand that every single zone transition in DS2 is deliberately fucked up.

Because you only noticed the problem with the Iron Keep transition right? The game has a running theme of your memories melting away, maybe they did too good a job of it.

>>160243816
>Demons has the best story
The story in Demon's Souls is literally "Boletaria has been kidnapped by Demons. Are you bad enough dude to kill the Demons?"

Dark Souls 1 / BB had the best story, Demon's Souls' story barely is anything past justification for combat.

>>160247648
Still there my dude?

I will put my sign down. Check if you see it.

>>160247820
>Implying frogposters are human.

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>>160247820

>he isn't a NEET

>>160247863
Almost all interesting content of DS1's story was removed prior to the release like antagonism between you and Oscar. It only created the universe, DS3 is much better in terms of actual story as it both shows the evolution of setting and gives you endings that define the future of the setting.

>>160247863
>comparing dark souls to BB

dark souls is still very generic at its core. BB however is probably one of the frshest narratives in videogames of both this gen adn the last. the game flips from a beast hunt in the streets to a cosmic journey for infinite knowledge. it is insane and FROM managed to keep the whole thing under wraps, even though it wasn't a twist secret anyway.

>>160247898

Yeah, i tried switching to a higher level character and ive put down my red sign instead. Thisll carry through better than a summon
I wont be able to see your sign unless it red to, my dude

>>160243282
Yes

>>160242662
It's just a direct counter to thoughtless 2HR2s with a GS, because your HA beats theirs and you out trade them with the same attack speed. Decent players will exploit your completely garbage range.

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>>160247859
>It's nearly 2017 and people still don't understand that every single zone transition in DS2 is deliberately fucked up.

Really? Even like...say...dropping down into the Gutter?

Oh

Hold on

No, that one made sense! It doesn't count! W-What about

>Every single zone

No no its not what you meant, only SOME zones!

>Ruins ---> Pharros ----> Cove also made perfect sense

OH NO

COULD IT BE?

THAT YOU'RE justifying a rushed, development-hell'd game? There was supposed to, intentionally, be a way straight into Iron Keep from Earthen Peak that would make sense thematically. It was cut. Not for story reasons. It was 100% cut content that left something behind that didn't make sense. I'm sorry, bud. You're wrong.

:(

>>160247976
FORGOT THE FUCKING RINGS

FUCK

Dropping my sign again with the stuff this time

>>160244357
That's differences in the roll though, not differences in the backstab. DS2's more vulnerable recovery times and weaker roll were better for PvP. The backstab was still slower than DS3's, but it worked for the game.

>>160248158
The picture I posted, before you ignore it like the low-iq retard you are, is what the area was supposed to be. You can even see a castle near the top right of the image. Iron Keep. Near the top of a mountain. Not a single elevator in sight.

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>>160247210
>not fulfilling the suicidal duty you were burdened with to prove to the dying world that a nameless accursed undead unfit even to be cinder can indeed become cincer if he choses so
> not wanting to be done with it
>implying it ultimately matters if the fire gets linked one last time if it will die either way

>>160248249
>"proving" some retarded point when you could rule the Undeads while having your personal harem blessed with infinite purging stones

>>160247976
Thanks mate!!

Btw, when I switched to that UGS, I couldn't even wield it properly because I am pure STR, so dont think I was salty lol.

Thanks for the help.

Drop your sign for the next character if you dont mind.

>>160248158
This.

You can also see Heide's Tower of Flame from Majula and its visible location is WAY off compared when you actually walk there.

>>160248364

Nah we were only joshing mate
Also may have been due to the fact my Iron debilitation was still in effect.

Signs down, red by the bonfire

>>160248351
>wanting to be the lord of another age that will eventually end and where you or your successor pull similiar shit to gwyn and panick over the unevitable end

na nigga

>>160248365
>Drangleic Castle changes its position after you go through the tunnel

>>160248351
Hi Yuria.

>>160247573

I would unfriend him irl

>>160248432
Thanks for the help mate.

Anything you need?

>>160248435
>implying there will be another age after you absorb the hollowed flame and become basically the last god in the setting probably able to shift gravity and space like the Flame itself can
If anyone will try to do something to you in the state of Lord of Hollows you will probably be able to just go full Made in Heaven on his ass

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>>160248158
>Ruins ---> Pharros ----> Cove also made perfect sense
Are these the ruins that are located literally inside Aldia's Keep because all of the geometry leading out of the forked road overlaps ontop of itself into an impossible mess?

>>160248535

Im all good man, thanks for the offer. Enjoy your stuff and happy to help

>>160248550
true, could be fun while it lasts but wont the flame fade inside you eventually too?

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>>160248463
Jokes on you, i'm more interested in Liliane.
Shame From was too lazy to give Yuria a proper face though, all sisters are probably as cute as Friede.

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Is Sotfs still a decently active game? I watched videos on DaS3, and it doesn't looks all that great to me (for a value price of $59.99, not to mention DLC.).

Not willing to dump money (that I don't have) on something like that.

>>160248579
Fair enough, but my other point still stands. The trailer is the Achilles heel of the whole argument because it shows you that there WAS a plan to avoid the elevator entirely and they just cut it along with mannequin masks and whatever else got gutted from this game and instead settled for god awful transitions that aren't even justified by a bunch of fat autists sperging out over how its "so smart because its lore! you just didnt see it cuz it was subtle! ;)"

DaS2 was unfinished. Tons of stuff got cut. The areas that would otherwise serve as transitions were probably a part of this cut content, and would have spread out the map, therefore avoiding shit like Hiede's being 1000x close than it looks or the castles swapping positions

>>160248624
Anon, Flame already faded and became hollow yet it still keeps its space/time powers. It seems it cannot die unless Firekeeper specifically destroys it.

>>160248660
The PVE of DS2 is amazing, the PVP is complete shit, but more variety.

DS3 is the most populated due to being new.

DS1 is full meta

>>160248762

>The PVE of DS2 is amazing, the PVP is complete shit

>>160248724
As I understood it the flame is on the verge of going out, I wouldnt say that it can hollow. And if it goes out the age of ancients would return with ancient dragons, archtrees and hollows. We can already see hollows turning into trees so thats something.

>>160243050
Best ugs because of moveset.

>>160248673
It was unfinished, stuff was cut, Tanimura had to make something out of a load of half finished assets which didn't necessarily fit together.
He decided to create an impossible dreamscape and roll with an intro about fading memories.

There were other options, it wouldn't have taken any significant effort to just stick a nest on the balcony of Earthen Peak and re-use the eagle transition. You could have had the lift go down. You could have used any completely random unexplained blackout into teleport sequence, ala Dancer in DS3, but he didn't. He decided to do something which very obviously makes no sense, unless it wasn't trying to make sense.

Say what you like about DS2's dodgy production, but I don't think anybody at Fromsoft is incompetent enough to accidentally stick a lake of lava and a castle in the sky.

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hi hi, can someone on PC help me transfer some rings? scholar's, sun's first born, and sage +2
I'm gonna need to replace my save in the middle of it anyways so you'll be able to back up yours to keep them too if you want I guess, I don't know if there's much else I could give you but feel free to ask!

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>>160248907
>but I don't think anybody at Fromsoft is incompetent enough to accidentally stick a lake of lava and a castle in the sky.

They were incompetent enough to think SM was a good idea. Let me remind you that while Miyazaki is a hack in my mind, this is how the SM conversation went down when he was throwing out more garbage ideas for PvP

>Early in development
>Hey Miyahacki should we add in Soul Memory?
>"Whats Soul Memory?"
>"A system where how many souls you earned determines who you are matched with or against!"

And then he laughed very fucking hard and never brought it up again.

Anything is possible with Jap devs. They will either shit gold in the outhouse or mine garbage in the shafts.

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>>160238170
>Ascetics to respawn bosses
>Able to use a weapons full moveset in the left hand
>Powerstance
>Upgrading shields improved their stats, not just the stability
>Depleting your stamina caused your character to breathe heavily
>You didn't lose your momentum from falling down 2 feet
>Poise wasn't as retarded as in 1 or as useless as in 3
>Fun NPC invaders that didn't act like just another enemy
>Interacting with the environment unlocked secrets, like lighting all the scones in The Gutter
>Other secrets like the pig and pickaxe
>Lockstones and Fragrant Branches manipulated the environment
>Getting wet reduced your characters lightning RES while boosting your fire RES
>NG+ added new enemies and items
>rolling in poison made your poison build up continue even on dry land because you were still covered in it
>rolling in snow/poison/water covered you in it and it slowly disappeared
>You could activate several pools of blood at once, resulting in hilarity
>You could be invaded even while hollow and if the boss was dead, but at a lower chance
>You could burn an effigy to block invaders, but you blocked summons as well
>Poison builds were not only viable, they were useful
>You could roll in more directions when locked on
>Hexes were fleshed out
>White phantoms couldn't Estus with an invader in the world
>Small soapstones if you wanted help with the area before a boss, without having to BC to solo the boss
>Drinking Estus in a fight was a gamble thanks to the slow speed
>Twinblades
>Lances
>Fists were viable
>Corrosive urns, so you didn't need pyro to break equipment
>Chests could be broken, making hitting them to see if it's a mimic risky
>Trapped chests
>Attacking with no stamina made the swing slow, making stamina management more important

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Undead Crypt used to be located near Earthen Peak and was much bigger, much much bigger.

This is one area that was possibly in between Earthen Peak and Iron Keep.

PvE is good as in ds1. But most of us playing it for PvP (i think). Everybody knows all annoying PvP issues - phantoms can heal, overall poor fighting system compared to ds2, covenant problems etc etc. I decided to install it and play for a bit (2 days). I have 50 sl and invading people at low irytill. Yeah i'm invading first time players but i know limits. I was acting good to people who are alone and dont attack me immediately like i'm some PvE enemy. But most of the time i have to ambush people because they have 2 phantoms and most likely will run and heal. Then run and summon more people. I could act more cool and make fights more pleasing for all but mechanics of this game wont let me. People can heal and summon countless times and they do it. Duels on sl 80 or 120 might be fun untill it turn into meta garbage.
Summary: I wont play this game ever again. I still interested in it and in other souls games but i dont expect good games from these guys. I'm interested in any medieval fighting game like For Honor and Mount & Blade. I think someday someone will make game like dark souls with all things that people would love to see. If not then i will try to make it but much later.

>>160247357
What the fuck is wrong with Hawkwood's cape

>>160249018
SM was a fine system for what they were trying to accomplish, which was to provide good matchmaking for random plebs progressing their way through the single player and occasionally engaging in PvP. The whole fightclub and meta level PvP thing is a wierd niche group that FS aren't trying to cater to, their priority was always the average player on their first playthrough near launch.

I didn't like SM any more than you did, and DS3's system is a better compromise, but I understand the thought process behind it.

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>>160249147
Also the icon for Earthen Peak has a mountain in the skybox that isn't in the final game.

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>>160249084
>heavy breathing is a plus to you
>the fucking PICKAXE RETARDATION is a good thing to you
>Powerstancing AKA "We could add dual weapons but its too much effort so have some static weapon-class based movesets" is a good thing to you
>Getting wet is such a positive you put it on par with actual NPC invader AI
>You listed FALL DAMAGE: ONE OF THE WORST ASPECTS OF 2 as a positive
>You listed twinblades, one of the most retarded, edgy, and overall dull weapon classes as a positive
>You listed infinitecombo fist weapons as a positive (demon fists weren't good enough I guess)
>You listed Corrosive Urns, an item used almost exclusively by cheaters, as a positive
>You listed some garbage snow particle effects as a positive on par with something good like blocked phantom healing
>listed activating multiple blood pools, something no one does past the first playthrough or maybe out of boredom, as a positive

And last but not least

>YOU LISTED FRAGRANT BRANCHES AS
>A
>FUCKING
>POSITIVE

WERE YOU NOT EXPECTING SOMEONE TO READ THROUGH THIS HACK-FRAUD OF A LIST?

Kill yourself AlbinoLama I know its you.

>>160249084
BRADLEY IS CUTE

>>160249273
SM just needed to go by souls spent on non-consumables (so, levels and upgrades), not all souls accumulated.

>>160249330
Different anon, you're garbage and you have no clue what you're talking about and I don't think you even "get" the series

>>160249330
>he wants to spam R1 until his stamina bar hits the negatives
>he hates secrets in video games
>he thinks inflexible dedicated paired weapons are a better form of dual wielding than powerstancing
>judging the value of an item by the existence of cheaters

t. Jap

>>160249273
>SM was a fine system for what they were trying to accomplish

No it wasn't. Actually, it worked against it. No one likes the idea of eventually having to retire a PvP character because he amassed too many souls, which is why the Agape Ring was added.

>>160249431
>No one likes the idea of eventually having to retire a PvP character
95% of the people who purchased the game have never thought of creating "a PvP character". Your perspective is warped because you're in a small community echo chamber.

>>160249430
>he thinks inflexible dedicated paired weapons are a better form of dual wielding than powerstancing

They objectively are. Powerstancing can be looked at as a few new moves per certain weapon classes and nothing more whereas dual weapons are an actual moveset tied to the R1s of a weapon class. I wish we could use the weapon arts w/r1s of the weapon on our offhand in 3, but Powerstancing was absolute shit, I only ever used it to powerstance clubs in a speedrun.

>he hates secrets in video games

Except I never said this, read the list again retard.

>judging the value of an item by the existence of cheaters

You mean like how people complain about Siegbräu? Yeah.

>he wants to spam R1 until his stamina bar hits the negatives

Never said that either, unless you think the heavy breathing effect has anything to do with r1 spam, which I know you think it does since you're mentally challenged.

Learn to read.

>>160249571
99% of the audience retained after the first few weeks of release are speedrunners and PvP people. And I guarantee you that there are more PvP people than speedrun people.

>>160249571
You realize that is PRECISELY the case against soul memory? It ONLY affects the people who PvP, casual players are completely unaffected. The only people who got shafted were those who like low level PvP.

>>160249703

The purpose of SM was to keep low level characters from getting ganked by twinks

Are you purposefully being retarded or is it not an act?

>>160249653
https://steamcommunity.com/stats/236430/achievements/

Well since nearly 70% of players have never even discovered the Brotherhood of Blood covenant on any of their characters, you can't be talking about a particularly large number of people.

>>160241625
Damnit thats what i was going to try. 40 VIT 30 STR masochism incoming

>>160249794
My argument wasn't for the amount of players, it was for what those players are doing. You missed the point. Good job.

>>160249782
So why not limit it, instead, to weapon upgrades like DaS3 did? DaS3 still has "twinking" but it requires they beat a fuckton of bosses while never going above +2 to be optimal, otherwise they just have a raw weapon and no health, and 90% of the time are up against 3 phantoms.

>>160249782
>The purpose of SM was to keep low level characters from getting ganked by twinks

Effigies literally allow this. SM was a mistake even with the game mechanics it was designed with.

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>great weapons

when will they learn

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>>160249330
>Heavy breathing is a neat touch and can be used to gauge your opponents stamina in pvp
>Pickaxe was a neat easter egg
>Powerstancing was neat compared to paired weapons because the variety was huge
>Getting wet and having defenses change added depth. Nowhere did i put it on par with anything else
>I didn't say anything about fall damage
>Twinblades were neat because it added variety
>There's no infinite combo
>Just because cheaters also use things does not make them negative. Guess what, cheaters use weapons too, does that make it negative?
>Getting covered in snow was neat, and nowhere did i put it on par with anything else
>Blood pools are funny to me, like that lemmings.webm, and i do it whenever i see a lot of them
>Branches added to exploration and gave you an excuse to go back to areas. I agree they could've been better

TL;DR: Subjective.
Nah, you kill yourself, if you really want to.

>>160249862
>My argument wasn't for the amount of players, it was for what those players are doing.
For someone who's trying to argue that Fromsoft should design systems around your wishes, you're not doing a very good job of convincing anybody that you're important. Game production is driven by sales.

>>160238170
Can someone tell me what the fuck is happening in the demon's souls part. I know thats a cursed dragon bone smasher but whats the other?

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>ds2 casters were good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0xMJE9tAIc

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>>160250027
neat

>>160250146
Obviously it's a Crescent Falchion, the worst item placement decision in all of Soulsborne.

>>160250208
>>160250146
I always thought it was 2kat

>>160250208
Why would they use the crescent falchion? It has shit damage and the mp regen isnt that useful. I think its better to use blueblood instead

>>160250248
Ahhhh, well if you count Pure Bladestone as item placement then I guess that wins.

>>160250027
>Considering swings and rolling consume static amounts of stamina? You could very well already know that if you weren't retarded.
>Pickaxe was contrived, retarded shit hiding a joke weapon that few people actually used.
>Powerstancing had no variety, you got about 3-4 new "moves" that were completely static if you used two similar weapons. And the most famous thing Powerstancing shit out was fucking Havelynns and helicopters (useless build)
>Twinblades were a low range, low damage weapon that had the only upside of being flashy. If you disagree you didn't play the same game I did.
>There were MANY stunlock builds, one even involved a fucking shortbow, lad.
>Cheaters were infamous for using rapidfire corrosive urns and nothing you say will undo the fact that it was useful ONLY to them and useless to everyone else unless you found out they were wearing one of the 10 durability rings. Even WITH rapidfire corrosive it still took cheaters ages to break items.
>Branches added to exploration

I can't even finish that last one. Branches were an insufferable gating mechanic that only got worse with the SotfS patch. I find it hilarious that people praise DaS2 for its "FREEDOM OF EXPLORATION" when they gate half of your paths with statueniggers

>>160238170
What is going on in BB?

And what is going on in DaS3?

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>sit down with Mugenmonkey and the wiki
>try to plan a DS3 faith build
>mfw

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>>160250027
>Twinblades were neat because it added variety

I say this as someone who used twinblades. Constantly. They were shit. You can tell just by using them that whoever designed them put no thought into them. Man, come ON, the best fucking TWINBLADE WASN'T EVEN A TWINBLADE

IT WAS A BROKEN

FUCKING

SPEAR

>>160250296
Look at the gif again mate, it's not about item placements

>>160250324
in the gif? arcane rifle spear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI3aRB5LADk

DaS3 is probably supposed to show retarded curved sword fagging

>>160250324
>BB
Arc Rifle Spear. Old glitch where if you put specific gems into the Rifle Spear, it would do a shitton of damage on its gunshots.

>Ds3
Rolling R1?

>>160250380
>IT WAS A BROKEN
>FUCKING
>SPEAR

my sides are leaving orbit

>>160250267
Comedy gifs are more about what people perceive as most used, not about the actual strongest PvP options. The Crescent Falchion on the ground at the start of 4-1 was so much better than everything else as an early game weapon pickup that everybody was sick to death of using the thing.

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Remember the scrapped concept for a hidden entrance to the catacombs behind the statue in Firelink Shrine in DS1?

Well it turns out it might not have led to the catacombs at all. Someone found this removed entrance in the Lordvessel room. If you ever wondered why it looked like you could walk in the area around where Frampt drops you off, well now you know why.

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i don't know if people defending ds2 at this point are serious or just fishing for ez replies
nobody in his right mind will ever want to defend that turd of a game unless they have a terminal stage of Stockholm syndrome

Yo how am I supposed to find out in-game where to go to start AotA?

>my main builds for games is str faith
>currently have 4 builds in my save files, all different str faith builds
>Normally only need 2 but the shittiness of both of these types has caused me to keep trying for better
>they only get worse

Im not even kidding, this is making me quit. The balance of this is just stupid and i cant sit down and do it. I dont mind struggling and gimping a build, but you cant save this properly

>>160250507
The easiest way to tell is if they are going into details about why they like it and giving justifications, or if they are just giving generic blanket statements. If it is generic statements then they are just fishing for replies.

>>160250568
If you know it sucks why do you keep trying? Why not try something else? Also why keep remaking characters instead of respecing?

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>There are no infinite combos in DaS2

Just wanted to step into this shitshow to say this:

You're technically right but you're being a cunt. If the combo leaves you unable to do anything until you die, regardless of whether or not they _can_ run out of stamina? It is an infinite combo. And yes, they did exist in DaS2. Some of them existed for a long time.

>>160250380
I used the vanilla Twinblade loads and I disagree, they had one of the most interesting movesets in Souls. The interesting part being the way the 2HR1 can be manually wiggled to land 3 hits per R1, giving it very high damage and poise damage output, but requiring you to stand at point blank range.

It's a weapon that can do high damage stunlocks from close up, can stagger in a wide area for low damage from further out and can cancel into sped-up R2s to step forward for slower long range damage. Every attack had a niche, so it was actually super versatile.

Unfortunately the base damage was so awful it didn't become usable until late in the game when you could stack flat AR bonuses, so people wrote it off as unusable without giving it a proper go.

>>160250568
This, believe me I've tried too.

Every build I try end up as melee/pyromancers anyway, from sorcerers to str/fth builds.

Dark Souls 3's gameplay is simply not structured for build variety anymore. Every build essentially have to do the same things, or just be shit.

>>160250630
Who would win if all the Ds3 bosses went fisticuffs on each other?

>>160250632
>There are no infinite combos in DaS2
>they did exist in DaS2. Some of them existed for a long time.
>they did exist
>did

>>160250631

Because i want it to be good. Its what ive loved in all the souls games and for it to be so shit in this one? It hurts.
I have other builds, Pyro, Dex, Int, and Dex/Int
Ive respecced on the builds a few times now individually, some builds required class changes is all, some i didnt want to abandon.
Ive purged one of my str/fai builds atm and im building a low level invasion dickass thief for some fuckery to try and force some fun on me. Dunno how itll go

>>160250814
It has never been particularly good, though.

>>160250723
Don't know about other bosses, but Aldrich AI defeats Pontiff's AI.

>>160250814
Faith requires at least 40 points to come close to being effective in PvP.

Strength will also require some Vit and End points, which will make the build way too spread out in the end.

Fth/Dex is a better option because of the low weight, and even though I don't like it, due to the fact the game is fucking designed to be played with fast weapons.

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>>160250814
I think my jew run was str/faith. It only got fun near the end, anon.

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>the colossal 'fuck you' that is medium shield parries
Bonus points if you parry some caestus retard that's been mashing L2 on your first parry.

>>160250801
One thing that DS2 deserves a lot of credit for is making a real effort to fix things like broken weapons and PvP stunlocks. The game changed significantly for the better over a period of several patches and the experience of improving things in DS2 is probably the reason that DS3 wasn't a complete mess on launch.

Because Miyazaki gave no fucks about this sort of thing back in DS1, you were just really lucky toggle escapes happened to exist. DS2 can be credited with the 2-hit stunlock balancing that made its way into the 3rd game. Were it not for Tanimura, DS3 would probably be one-touch death with no toggles.

>>160250887

>Because i want it to be good. Its what ive loved in all the souls games and for it to be so shit in this one? It hurts.

Doesnt mean i havent loved doing it in other games
Demons had its faith fuckery
Dark 1 required gimicks and gave me Grant, my all time favorite weapon, but was still usable.
Dark 2 was the most competent its ever been, simple storm warrior was fun as hell
Faith was Arcane (although also int) and was incredibly funny, had the best of times
Dark 3's only gimick is lightning bolts to the face, and theres no str required. Mornes is ass, only good for the occasional meme

Its just the fact that i dont even have the option for it to be close to good. At least before str weapons and faith could blend somewhat well, and be good enough. But that went out the window with 3, only way to faith is tank hits and hope they die

>>160250814
You've tried just sticking Lightning Blade on a raw Dragonslayer's Axe right?

>>160250465

Neato

>>160251085

But you dont need str for that friendo. Just enough to wield the weapon Yes its fun as hell

How do you beat pontiff? I've been stuck on him for so long

>>160250995
wheres your serpent rings and rusted coins??

>>160251048
It was good in DeS. That's the only time it has been good in the entire series.

It was shit in 1, the grant was usuable garbage. DaS2 was a joke in and of itself.

>>160251280
You should do damage to him, and try to not get damaged yourself (you can use rolling, for example).
Good luck!

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>Go to sleep
>Dream about walking endlessly through a dark place
>Enter a house
>Start talking to someone
>Someone starts rubbing my back
>It's fucking gwyndolin
>Dream turns into fucking really quickly
>Wake up
>Literally the most cum i've ever seen in my life, everywhere

WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU ALL DONE TO ME

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

>>160251519

Ill never forget my Grant days, friend. Some of the best memories
Nothing like baiting people into chase, switching to grant and nuking them from around a corner
Nothing like throwing the R1s into people and then baiting into a nuke.

Youre seeming against having fun. Pain hours a necessary, but you have fun.
Nah man, being the king of storms was funny as all hell in arena, ill never forget cornering people and throwing lightning storm at em and then throwing spears as they run
Thats the problem with 3, the reward of fun is not consistent with the pain you put in.

>>160251642
Fighting it is probably a bad idea

:^)

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>>160251642
You rike?

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>>160248949
p-please respond
but respond by saying yes

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>>160251642
>>14962600

Good taste famalam

>>160251687
>Nothing like baiting people into chase, switching to grant and nuking them from around a corner
Don't get me wrong, I had fun doing that too, but that doesn't make the weapon good. Good = fun or vice versa. They are both independent variables. Something can be fun and not good, fun and good, not fun and not good, or not fun but good.

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Ashen One... *nervous laugh*

>>160251785
>>160251642
Oops
>>>/r/14962600

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>>160251828
>Gracious. Passing fine ash thou'st given.
And awfully warm, at that.

You better watch your fucking mouth you dry hag

>>160251797

Thats a good point. Far from a meta weapon, but i still bought it to fight clubs, and still won a few matches. Great clubs a great club after all.
I just miss being able to happily do a str/faith build i guess. I used to be able to do it, even if it was trash and still redeem it with being good enough to do so. But in this, its just...not. Lightining blade a weapon and swing and when theyre low, Unfaltering a sunlight spear in their face is the only viable offensive

>>160251841
>>160251785
>>160251746
>>160251720
god please no

i felt so fucking dirty

ive never even cum before without jacking off, a few months in this fucking shithole and suddenly im having wetdreams about a ladyboy in game i beat once

>>160251828
>>160251962
>Give ashes literally covered in shit
>"Gracious. Passing fine ash thou'st given"

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>>160252108

Guess you've beat her twice, eh anon?

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>>160252108
There's literally nothing wrong with it.

Embrace it.

One of us! One of us!

>>160252020
>still won a few matches
So did I. I remember rushing around a pillar and casting replenishment to condition someone into expecting that during a duel, then when they rushed me, Grant's WoG to the face. It was hilarious because as they ran around the corner you could see the realization of what just happened dawning on them, but it was too late for them to properly respond.

The build was always bad; it's still bad. You could have fun with it despite that if you wanted to, and that hasn't changed.

>>160251828
SOTP FUCKING LAUGHING

WHAT'S SO FUCKING FUNNY?

>>160248660
I just got it and am shocked at how active it still is. More active than DS1 PC.

>>160252207
>her

>>160252278
Kill yourself tranny.

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man I was really hoping DaS3 would have a black sludge abyss mode or something. BB's beastmode and milkweed/kosm mode were fun as hell.

You guys think the next DLC will add something cool like that?

There's been something confusing me ever since I started ds3 and maybe you guys can help out a bit.

In ds2 hexes scaled on both int and faith as you know, but in ds3 it seems to imply that it's purely based on spell buff.

If for example in this scenario I wanted to use dark blade, now as it does dark damage I'd imagine it scaled on both int and faith, so am I right in thinking that if, theoretically, I used priests chime with a spell buff of 310 (obviously made up numbers) to cast it'd be better than a caithas at 280 correct?

>>160250723
ancient dragon