/fog/ - Fallout General

>>159534537
>Ye olde
that doesn't say pre-war....

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Keep clean and kill mutants.

third for pls respond >>159530287

do you think small bertha would suck nora's girlcock if you helped her clear the lumber mill out?

>>159534937
Very yes.

>>159534906
kys

Do y'all know how to fix the F04 esp break? All my esp based mods are selected and are listed in the plugins.txt file but for whatever reason the game refuses to load any of the content into the game world. I made changed to the .ini files as I was supposed to and I set the plugins.txt to read only and they still don't load. Have you guys figured out how to fix it?

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I've been contemplating doing a Super Mutant mod. I've always been a bit bothered how the Super Mutants were handled in Fallout 4.

They had good potential, with being flawed Institute recreations this time around, but that never amounted to anything. So I want to do a mod to fix some of it.

So three questions from an absolute newbie to the GECK:

First, I wanna start small. Adding a lot of terminal entries to the Institute about the FEV research, having a few terminals in Mutant hideouts where they (crudely of course) leave a few notes, maybe an unmarked quest to find where new Super Mutants are coming from since the Institute has stopped producing them.

Second: I'm a dirty dirty pirate. Will that affect my ability to work with the GECK?

Third: If it goes well and I familiarize with the GECK, where would I go to find voice actors? Is there like a modding actor community or some shit? Or am I pretty much left with whatever random jonhs I can find amongst my friends?

Should we make a pastebin of things FO4 doesn't tell you that you can do? Stuff like using cover or swapping weapon mods when you don't have the appropriate perk(s).

I bet nora used to go out and prowl around the schools, looking for unsuspecting children to molest

>>159320676
what armor mod is this?

>>159535203
modding isn't fun and you're going to give up at the first road bump.

sorry bud

>>159488802

Would you be willing to help me?

I've always been slow to learn but once I get into I'm really good.

Please?

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>>159535164
blease resbond D:

>>159535164
>>159537727
There has to be a * in front of each mod in the plugins.txt.

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>get to human error quest
>wear my nice dress over at the compound
>red speech check
>sure, come on in
>let the doctor kill the synth
>idiot savant triggers for 1200 exp
What a nice day.

>>159538172
Fucking seriously? That's it?

I thought Settlements can only reach 16 people, but I'm getting more and more

I installed Homemaker when I started, is this the problem?

>>159539383
Why is it a problem? Turn off your beacon.
>>159535203
Nobody would use your mod unless its compatible with Super Mutant Redux anyway.

>>159539383
it's 10 + your max charisma

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>>159539610
>Why is it a problem? Turn off your beacon.
Right

Is there a way to get a specific work bench to a settlement if it's not there already and you don't have local leader?

>>159539610
It was SPR that inspired me in the first place. Such good super mutant changes wasted on a shitty story.

I wanna know how hard this'd be, as in how many hours would an average person would take for these three steps if they started learning:

1 - Notes and Terminal entries
2 - Small quest with 1 character
3 - Friendly Super Mutant Settlement

I know 3 would be the kind of shit that takes weeks/months, but how much time would a newbie have to invest to do 1/2?

Is there a flavor of the month ENB/Reshade preset?

Doesn't seem to be a gazillion like for Skyrim, are most people just using vanilla?

>>159539693
Actually 10+current charisma.

>>159539891
No.

>>159535203
>Adding a lot of terminal entries to the Institute about the FEV research
Those already exist
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/FEV_research_notes
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Institute_terminal_entries#FEV_lab_terminal

> having a few terminals in Mutant hideouts where they (crudely of course) leave a few notes
Super Mutants can't use terminals because the FEV destroys their fine motor skills, and their hands are too big. Virgil even notes hes starting to lose the ability to do so in his terminal.

>maybe an unmarked quest to find where new Super Mutants are coming from since the Institute has stopped producing them.
New Super Mutants aren't coming from anywhere.

The Institute only stopped making them a few months before the game begins.

In short, everything is already explained.

>>159539114
That's it.
* means "activated".
No * means "in your mod list but not activated".

>the sorry state of Nexus right now

For all those dollarydoos you'd think they would have decent servers now.

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159525395


see, the thing about merge plugins is if you do it mid save you have to re do everything and re aquire everything because all of the items get a new form ID or at least the first 2 numbers. meaning your shit is gone.


you can get around this the 1st time after merging if you want to add something by deleting the old merged plugin, going through the process again with the added mod, and then naming the new merged plugin the same name as the original one.

>>159541287
>Those already exist

I know of their existence, but they're crude and minimalistic, not even explaining WHY the Institute has a FEV strain, or what they hope to accomplish from creating Super Mutants.

>Can't use terminals

They'd be few and far inbetween, and things like Fawkes' terminal entry after his transformation, or Speech-to-Text style entries. I just want to establish a baseline for the possibility of a quest to find a peaceful Super Mutant hideout and to make Mutants more relevant and connected to the story.

>Stopped making them a few months

Which doesn't explain why they're so prevalent on the Wasteland. This isn't like Fallout 3 where the Muties were kidnapping people and dipping entire groups into vats of FEV. This is Institute experimentation, and from what we see inside the Institute each experiment involves only a few individuals at a time. We fight enough Super Mutants throughout the game to make armies that can compete with the Master's in size. I got an idea on why, but again, that's why I want to mod.
Furthermore, why would the Institute even release mutants into the world? Synths I can understand, keeping the population in check and destabilizing the region with precise careful strikes when necessary. But even in their early experiments Super Mutants are actively hostile and uncontrollable, and in fact pose a threat to all assets the Institute have on the surface.
The Muties will attack Synths in sight and in general just serve as buffed Raiders.
To add, you can't even say "well, it was part of a Pre-synth initiative" exactly because they only shut down the FEV project a few months ago. Meaning whatever the Super Mutant releases were meant for coincided with the Synth initiatives they were undergoing.

>>159542859
>or what they hope to accomplish from creating Super Mutants.
Pay closer attention.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/FEV_research_notes

Year 2178

Uhh... This is Doctor Elliott, with the official report for the Directorate from BioScience. The date is, umm, August 2178. I'm pleased to report that, as has been the case during my tenure, crop yields exceed expectations. In point of fact, everything down here is fine... with... one notable exception. Doctor Frederick has informed me that the Directorate has pre-approved research on samples of the FEV virus, which he already has in his possession. Now, I'm not one to question the Directorate... you all know that. I don't even want to know where this came from. But... well, this is troubling. Dangerous, possibly. I will do my best to make sure risks are minimized, but I really do hope that the consequences are understood.

Year 2224

This is Doctor Elliott, reporting for the BioScience division. March 2224. We just received another batch of... subjects... but as my previous report stated, we're at an impasse here. More of the same won't help. The two most promising strains of FEV have been adapted to an ideal state, but... we're still missing something. I am officially echoing the team's position: the most likely progress for our research on synthetic organics requires new avenues of exploration. Additional Commonwealth subjects will not help. It's the same problem across the board: exposure to too much radiation. We need something... someone new. There's a proposal we'll be putting forward... I am not entirely comfortable with it, but it seems the best course.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

2227 - Shaun is kidnapped by The Institute

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Shaun%27s_dialogue

The program was ultimately a success; my DNA was fused with a modified virus to create the organic material from which our new synths are made.

>>159542859
>. This is Institute experimentation, and from what we see inside the Institute each experiment involves only a few individuals at a time.
you forget, they have been doing this for over 100 years at this point.

>>159535203
Can't help you with the GECK part, but any mod that deals with the Institute's retardness helps


Hey, personal fanwank of mine, maybe you'll like it and it'll help you


As I see it, the Institute had an original purpose with most assigned experiments. However, secrecy followed by the original Director's death lead to a very confused state of affairs, meaning no one really knows why they're doing the experiments or things they do, they just go on their day-to-day job doing whatever they're assigned.

Each Lead Scientist has their own theory on what the Institute's purpose is, but no one knows for sure, and even Director Shaun is pretty much following the directives of the previous Director, who's following the Director before him and so-so so-so.

>>159543114
And unless they released 100 years worth of mutants as a giant clown fiesta, it still makes no sense the dominion the Muties have over the Commonwealth.

If each time they experimented they disposed of the subjects by sending them to the surface, then Muties wouldn't have time to grow as warbands as we see. Contrary to raiders, they can't pass as normal citizens, can't reproduce, are so alien to normal humans most people have a Kill-on-Sight policy against them and are so dumb they'll attack anyone in their way.

And if the Institute was just pilling Mutants, where were they keeping them, and what were their purpose? Doubt the amount of Supers we see in the Commonwealth would be needed if they were merely to enhance the Gen-3 Synth experiments.

anybody had that bug that makes impossible to use workbenches or chairs/beds?
basically when pressing e the visual goes to third person and nothing happens.

So Shaun died an Oedipal virgin, right? They really should have had Shaun make a Synth Shaun and a Synth spouse for the player as a token apology for the Institute ruining their life.

>>159543739
Are they too close to a wall and/or backwards?

>>159542997
So, they combine FEV with a strain from Shaun's DNA and this helps them create Gen-3 Synths, yes.

Why are more Mutants needed after that? They clearly aren't because the project's termination didn't put a dent in Gen-3 Synth production, but apparently they kept pumping those Supers for 50 year.

It's not like the Mutants are needed for much longer. After they have enough tissue and organic material they can just clone that on and on.

And on top of all that, still no mention how or why the Institute would have FEV samples. There was already a research station investigating FEV (Mariposa) and they aren't a private company that can strong-arm the government into giving them some (Vault-Tec) so what's their purpose with it? Different strain? Secondary testing grounds?
I'm not saying it's stupid they have it, it's actually quite clever how Bethesda keeps finding ways to rehash the same old enemies, but it's the type of stuff that shouldn't be left up in the air.

>>159543932
the "vanilla" one have the same problem, ie the chairs at the noodle restaurant in diamond city, not only the one i made.

>>159543521
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but you're putting more thought into it than Bethesda did.
You're not supposed to think about it.
Turn your brain off and enjoy a decent open world shooter.

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Found some nice melons to harvest at abernathy farms

>>159544479
Found a nice repost from the previous thread.

Does any clothing besides power armor help at all in survival mode when you take so much damage or is it just about fashion and that point?

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>>159534537
>Try to download mod
>"You need an account to download mods larger than 2 MBs"
>Fine, whatever fuck you
>Go to make an account on the forums
>I have to fucking buy membership
>To download mods
Is this some kind of a sick joke? Who the hell would pay for community content?

>>159544854
wtf are you even talking about?

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>>159544854
Nevermind, I'm retarded and they put a tiny as fuck option for free membership at the bottom.

Still man, fuck you I shouldn't need an account to download shit.

>>159544008
>Why are more Mutants needed after that?
To see if any possible improvements could be made to the FEV strains to make synths better.

>And on top of all that, still no mention how or why the Institute would have FEV samples.
They got it post war from V87 most likely. It was not something The Institute had before hand, as indicated from the above quoted FEV research notes.

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>find legendary cryo sniper
>having a fuckin blast
>step on a mine
>survival
>last save was an hour ago

fucking end my life

Hey guys, I just played FO4 a few days ago and I'm a bit confused about the backlash back when it first came out.

The only actual problem I see with the game are the poor dialogue options for the main character. That was imo, a serious step backwards, but every other part of the game is far better than FO3 at the very least. Even the main quest, while not amazing is the best Bethesda has made in recent memory.

I get that the game might be dissapointing coming from New Vegas, but anyone expecting something of that quality were fooling themselves. Anyway that's how I feel about it, all things considered I think it's a pretty solid game.

Also I'm curious about what factions you guys stuck with. I ended up joining the Institute

>>159543521
>And unless they released 100 years worth of mutants as a giant clown fiesta, it still makes no sense the dominion the Muties have over the Commonwealth.

Within two years of starting the FEV program, The Institute had created enough super mutants, and sent them to the surface, that they were able to rally together and attack Diamond city, which was only prevented by the arrival of the Minutemen.

The Institute captured people in the dozens, if not hundreds.

>>159545609
>Not finding a bed the second you find a weapon you like

>>159544387
Anon-kun, I know I'm not supposed to think about it, but I want to make a mod exactly so I can get this shit out of my mind


Here's my idea so you can shred it to bits:
The Institute's government orders were to modify FEV samples as to allow for new specimens to grow without the need for more FEV. Combining different strains of fungal DNA caused a resounding success. When a super mutant its biomatter would decompose rapidly, and if its corpse was on ground would cause a fungal growth. Supplying this area with biological material (IE corpses and gore) would allow for a new Super Mutant to be born [IE pretty much ripping off 40k Orks]. Super Mutants created by this particular strain would feel compelled to search and kill humans and gore them, as to feed the growing areas which allowed more mutants to be born. These dumbass mutants are predisposed to follow Smart supermutants (Mariposas).
The purpose would be simple: Even after a failed battle, an army could be renewed from the corpses of both sides, and long after a fight the enemy would still have their backs crippled by re-emerging forces.
When Vault-TEC strong-armed the gov' into giving them a strain, they were given failed batches of the Institute strain. Mutants created by this strain still felt the biological need to hunt, kill and gore humans, but it had no pratical purpose.
After the War, when the Institute realized they could use FEV for the purpose of furthering their Synthetic Life Project, they started kidnapping people and creating as many mutants as possible. When they saw they weren't getting any results, the Institute released the Muties onto the Wasteland, hoping that the batches formed by their "reproduction process" would help in some way. When that failed too, then they theorized a non-irradiated source of human DNA was needed, so they kickstarted the events of the game

All I'm asking is how hard/time-consuming it is to mod notes/terminal entries

>>159545485
The quotes don't say they hadn't beforehand, only that they didn't research it until 2178.

>>159546281
>The Institute's government orders were to modify FEV samples
First problem is right here.

The Institute, or more specifically CiT, did not have FEV before the war.

As Doctor Elliott mentions in the first log here
>>159542997
He has no idea where the FEV came from, which suggests they did not have it before 2178


The Institute only got FEV after the war, likely from Vault 87 given the similarities in the strains, sch as how they make Behemoths, while the Mariposa strain does not.

IIRC, theres even a conversation between two super mutants in V87 in Fallout 3 where they talk about how Fawkes warned them that men will come to take the green stuff, which may have resulted from The Institute raiding V87 for FEV in the past.

>>159545728
Which again, is completely unsustainable considering the population of the setting.

I can buy that in two years they captured dozens/hundreds of people and made Muties out of them. Keeping this up for 98 more years would be almost impossible, at least 50% of the Mutant attacking force was probably wiped out and we fight through dozens of Mutants on a single Mutant Enclave alone, so that excuse doesn't really stick

>>159546425
Are you dyslexic? serious question.

>>159542997
>Now, I'm not one to question the Directorate... you all know that. I don't even want to know where this came from.

> I don't even want to know where this came from.

If they had it before the war, he wouldn't be making this statement, as he would already know where it came from.

>>159546650
>Which again, is completely unsustainable considering the population of the setting.
Not really.

Unless you are one of those idiots that forgets that the games are drastically scaled down in size and population.

Diamond City alone is easily a location of 1,000+ people.

Not to mention places like Goodneighbor, Quincy, Salem, University Point, all the failed settlements of the past.

tons of places to kidnap people

>>159541679
So what's the deal then? Is the new patch automatically disabling plugins at launch or something? Also thank you for your help, /vg/ is always far more kind than those assholes over at /v/

>>159546636
>First Problem right here

Like I said, Elliot's quote only means the Institute only approved of the research at 2187, and that the Director had samples at the moment of approval. Considering the timespan, they could have been working on it Pre-War, stopped after the war when it became clear Superhuman Troops wouldn't be necessary, and restarted work after it became of need for the Synth project.

As for Elliot not knowing where it came from, the Institute is a need-to-know-basis kind of organization. There isn't any need to inform him of this. And it's merely implications, not facts. Any scientist born Pre-War is dead, so nowhere in the game can tell where FEV came from.

>Conversations between Vault 87 Mutants

That's more likely than not a reference to the Brotherhood of Steel, who's trying to find the Super Mutant source. Fawkes is clever and upon hearing of them probably realized this.

It's very unlikely the Institute would even know of Vault-Tec's deal with the government. On meta terms it's even more unlikely Bethesda would set up this so early in advance.

>>159545609
Cryo sniper?

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i have no dlcs for FO4 yet. are they all worth the 60 bucks for the whole thing?

>>159547407
>It's very unlikely the Institute would even know of Vault-Tec's deal with the government.
Remember, as Shaun states

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Shaun%27s_dialogue
>Ours was a unique situation. Vault-Tec records were easily accessible to the Institute, and they were looking for as young a specimen as possible.

> On meta terms it's even more unlikely Bethesda would set up this so early in advance.
Bethesda set up the Red Year that restored Morrowind up a decade before it happened.

They do this kind of shit all the time

>>159546776
Again, assuming all scientists in the Institute know all the things that are happening or happened all the time.

He doesn't know of FEV. Could mean they recently acquired the samples, or could mean that the samples have been stored and the Directorade only approved for their research in 2178, which isn't unlikely.
FEV is an attempt at creating Super Soldiers, and there's no use for Super Soldiers when the war and the world is over. They probably only started the research once they saw it could be of use to the Synth project

>>159547707
Its very unlikely that the Institute had FEV since before the war, if Bethesda wanted them too, they would have said or suggested so.

You can headcanon anything you want, but the writing, as it is in the holotape in-game, does not support it.

>>159547913
It also doesn't make sense why a robotic college would be given access to a genetic weapon.

>>159547613
Not buying that Generation 2 Synths could travel 440 miles without being seen/killed by anyone, go in a Vault filled to the brim with Mutants, take enough samples to allow for viable experimentation, then travel back loaded with the stuff.
It's much more likely they just had it stored in a stash in the Institute that only the Directorade has knowledge/access.

>>159548124
>Not buying that Generation 2 Synths could travel 440 miles without being seen/killed by anyone
Zimmer, a near 80 year old man, along with one singular courser, managed to walk from Boston to D.C. without getting killed.

Its not that dangerous of a trip. We know theres established trade routes going all the way from Boston to the Broken Banks south of D.C., on both land and sea

>>159547313
>So what's the deal then? Is the new patch automatically disabling plugins at launch or something?
It shouldn't. Not anymore. That was a bug shortly after Survival released, and after some beta patches you could try out via Steam.
Hence there also shouldn't be the need to set plugins.txt as read-only anymore.

The *-deal is just about managing your load order without any mod manager.

>>159548054
The Institute is much more than robotics. Synths alone require massive knowledge of biology and anatomy (both human and animal, if the gorillas and [possibly] cats are of any indication), plus they dabble hard on agricultural studies.

The Institute is the East Coast's Big MT, a conglomerate of geniuses from different fields.

>>159547913
The holotape supports and disproves nothing, that's the point. Elliot doesn't know, and that's it. Even after becoming Director you have no idea where the Institute got the FEV.


Again, the Institute is a need-to-know-basis type of group. A scientist assigned to a project not knowing they had a stash of FEV samples from a Pre-War experience that got discontinued when the bombs dropped isn't unlikely, especially since the lead scientist in the affair was clearly born post-War

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So are there any good quest mods? Or should I try out nuka world?

>>159548571
>The Institute is much more than robotics.
And the Institute is not CiT

The Institute is a post war organization founded 30+ years after the war occurred.

CiT was just a robotics college.

i know its a pretty generic topic but what are your favourite fo4 mods right now? i'm pretty new to it, and whilst it seems pretty underwhelming, i hope it will just be a late bloomer. i actually really like the commonwealth as a base to work on, forgetting the sole survivor endgame.

>>159535203
>>159540526

speaking of SMRedux, i just installed it but i haven't been out fighting any mutants yet. i got it because i think the same person did a raider overhaul mod, and it's pretty much the best little mod i've found. the most fun in the game right now is fighting raiders thanks to that. its just a much more varied spawn/package list, but they use food, meds and grenades much more aggressively and rock some pretty cool tank girl / mad max outfits, i really recommend it and would love to see a mod that did this for the entire game and all enemy types.

on the opposite side of wasteland fun, is singing settlers. its a bit buggy but it let me turn starlight sanctuary into a big convert venue, and my bars have karaoke, which companions love to indulge in. there's also CWSS redux(?) for "working" bathhouses (also a bit buggy).

>>159548620
Just play Trainwiz's Maxwell's World.

>>159548363
It's not about getting killed.

First, Zimmer had a Courser. Fallout's easiness aside, the Courser is stated to be one of the deadliest battlefield "weapons".
Second, a Courser can pass as a human. Easily. Generation 2 Synths would have to make a trip completely alone. Zimmer could hire protection to get to Rivet City, or come with the aforementioned trade routes. Gen2s could never stop to resupply, would have to travel almost exclusively at night to avoid been spotted and would be vulnerable to the things all robots traveling without humans are: being attacked by raiders for parts, like ED-E.
Third, Zimmer's mission was merely diplomatic in nature: go there, find a Synth, say a code, get out. The Gen 2 Synths would have to fight through a Vault of Mutants and have enough of them survive to get out with enough samples.


So it's not about how dangerous a trip is. Moriarty and Tenpenny came from freaking Europe and that crazy Quantum chick casually traveled to Nuka World. What did they all have in common? Being human, and as such not having a gigantic Neon Sign saying "FEAR AND ATTACK ME" strapped to their backs. They also traveled alone or in small groups, which wouldn't attract as much attention as a Synth force that had to be equipped to fight a Vault of mutants would.

>>159548620

nuka world is best enjoyed by pretending it's a jet-induced fever dream that only exists in your distant subconscious.

>>159549041
The below ground research zone connected to Commonwealth Institute of Technology existed pre-War. The Institute itself as an organization didn't, but the structure that allowed for them to undergo all those projects completely unrelated to technology had to be there before the war.

If nothing else, it's clear the CiT in Fallout's universe is not directly matched to the CiT in real life, and it being a robotics college doesn't change the fact its underground facilities had to research much more than just robotics considering the things they're packing in there.

I like everything about this body but how it looks, but MUH REALISM is too important.
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/19516/?

>>159549048
SMRedux is pretty good. New enemy types, good textures, and makes mutants fun to fight at all levels. Not sure if they have new AI behavior, but they're a much bigger bitch to fight after installing the mod so they must have had.

OT: My favorite mods have mostly to do with settlements. Homemaker, Alternate, OCDecorator. It's easy to just have the main story fuck right off and play it as someone trying to rebuild civilization, plus mods like Raiders Overhaul and SMR to give the world some life.

I heavily recommend Xander's Aid, Maxwell's World, Shuddersome Subways and the 3DNPC's mods. They're better expansion packs than that piece of shit Nuka World.

>>159549879
>The below ground research zone connected to Commonwealth Institute of Technology existed pre-War.
Wrong, people in The Institute themselves tell you that they built The Institute structure itself after the war by digging out form the basement.

The only part of The Institute that was there before the war was the "old robotics" section you pass through in the BoS/Minutemen/Railraod quest line.

>>159549901
autism

>>159550458
K... Somehow skipped that.


That's a more stupid and imbecilic option than the alternative, so I'll just have Bethesda fuck right off and not try my hand at polishing a brown turd.

>>159550834
>That's a more stupid and imbecilic option than the alternative
How exactly?

What on earth gave you the notion that CiT would have built The Institute before the war?

That shit is Enclave level technology, theres no way they would get away with having it.

All this Super Mutant talk got me thinking how dissapointed I was in Strong.


Supposedly he wants to learn more about the human way, but every time you do something "the human way" he just dislikes it and the only things he consistently likes is you being a Super Mutant.


What wasted potential. Would be cool having a companion you could shape. Being a good person would slowly create a new Fawkes, while being an asshole would make him stronger and meaner.


How can Obsidian make deeper companions and companion interactions/developments in six months that Bethesda in years?

>>159551460
Obsidian create deeply complex, varied characters with believable personalities and interesting backstories that tie into relevant events within the world.

Bethesda come up with a funny idea in a brainstorming meeting, turn it into a character and call it a day.

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>>159551460
>How can Obsidian make deeper companions and companion interactions/developments in six months that Bethesda in years?

putting passion ahead of profits.

>>159551157
My notion was that the Institute was a government-funded research center. I thought they had Enclave level technology because they were working with/for the pre-War "Enclave", so to speak.

Instead a bunch of robotic scientists managed to build an Enclave-level research center filled with possibly the most advanced technology in the Post-War world after the nukes dropped. That's retarded on many levels.

>>159551460
>Supposedly he wants to learn more about the human way
No he doesn't. Strong wants to find the "milk of human kindness" which he thinks is an actual drink, because he believes it will give him and other super mutants the power needed to finally crush mankind.

The irony being that "the milk of human kindness" Shakespeare talks about is actually being able to be friends with people, and Strong finds it by becoming friends with a human like you, without even realizing it.

>How can Obsidian make deeper companions and companion interactions/developments in six months that Bethesda in years?
Because
A. They didn't.
B. They do nothing but copy the most tired and overused character archetypes that require no effort to come up with

Boone is
>MUH WAR CANT LET GO!
Raul is
>IM OLD AND USELESS!
Arcade is
>WOULD MUH DAD BE WANT ME TO DO WHAT HE DID?

Its tired and overused cliches you can find in any bad drama series played 100% stright.

Its literally copy-paste writing

>>159551746
>>159551780

What annoys me the most is that the ideas and framework of Fallout 4 are for the most part really good.
But Bethesda decided to leave it bare-bones instead of developing.

Fallout 4 is the Bethesda game that better demonstrates their bad side. Shallow as fuck game where everything that exists is meant as an excuse to play around a playground.

If Fallout was Disney, New Vegas (and arguably 3 it wasn't as bad in this regard as 4) would be the movies and 4 would be fucking Disneyworld.

>>159547542
You should wait, as good as Far Harbor and Automatron are its only really worth it if you like the settlement mode since thats what most of it is

>>159552732
>since thats what most of it is
>out of 70 dollars in content, only 15 of it is settlement stuff
15/70 is only 20%.

Far Harbor alone has more content in it then all the workshop DLCs combined, as does Nuka World, even ignroing the additions to settlements they added via raiders.

The workshop DLcs suck, but this idea they make up most of the content is patently untrue, and a /v/ tier meme

>>159549901
Looks like shit lmao

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>>159549901
>no wrist seams and soon no neck seams
how?
what new devilry is this

>>159553367
>no wrist seams and soon no neck seams
Uhhh, Skyrim got rid of those ages ago.

The only place it was a problem was in Oblivion/Fo3/NV because the game threw different lighting on heads then bodies, while then ewer games don't.

>>159552095
I fucking know Strong thinks the milk of human kindness is a damned drink, but to get the milk he has to work with humans and learn their secrets. Hard to do that if you bitch and moan all the way through it. Plus, that "search" never goes anywhere as well.
After joining Strong acts as your bitch, following you from place to place disliking almost everything you do along the way unless you only bring him along to kill things. He doesn't try to search for it, ask you or anyone about it, nothing ever comes of it. His motivation could easily be switched with "I feel like it" or "you smell good" and it would mean the exact fucking same on the long run.
And Obsidian characters can start as stereotypes because SURPRISE, SURPRISE!, people LOOK like stereotypes if you don't get to know them. Getting to know your companions will result in some actual development.


Stick around with Boone and he can potentially let go. He also has good reasons to join you (pretty much wants to die and you're clearly a crazy motherfucker that is fighting and going into dangerous zones all the time one way or another) and good reasons to stick around after his quest's done.

Raul CAN STOP being "old and useless" and develop.

Arcade CAN choose his own path or allow you to choose for him.
With Strong, and in fact almost ALL companions in Fallout 4, you have little reason to care after you learn of them because they never develop, never change. No matter their supposed goals or reasons for joining you, they remain static meatshields all game.

I'm tired of the notion perpetuated by retards that only original things are good. You know what you also find in almost all dramas before Romeo and Juliet? A tale of estranged lovers. Citizen Kane tells the story of a grump near-dead fuck regretting his life, something as old as Greek theatre. Obsidian takes the concepts and actually goes somewhere, Bethesda just throws toys in the table and lets us play with them.

>>159552095
Anon you are so stupid it hurts.


I don't know what type of piece of shit would prefer a well developed story based on an old trope than a new concept that doesn't do shit with itself.

Probably the same type of morons that give tons of money to Transformers and Battleship.

>>159553612
> but to get the milk he has to work with humans and learn their secrets
No, he has to watch them. He can hate what they do the whole time.

>Plus, that "search" never goes anywhere as well.
OFc it doesn't, thats the whole point. He find the milk without realizing it.

>With Strong, and in fact almost ALL companions in Fallout 4, you have little reason to care after you learn of them because they never develop, never change
Which is a good thing.

The problem with NV's companions is that they are totally mindless robots, with no agency of their own.

They claim to have all these major life problems, but chose to do nothing about it, and just stand around with their thumb up their ass until you the special snowflake PC comes along and drags them to do it, and even then, they are so mindless, and unable to form an opinion of their own, that they need you to tell them how to feel about what happened.

The thing that makes Fallout 4's companions enjoyable is that they DON'T do that

Cait for example realizes she has a drug problem, tries to get it cured by doctors, then, when that doesn't work, she does the research and ifnds out where a cure might be found on her own, and just needs you to help her reach it since a bunch of Gunners are in the way.

She doesn't need you to tell her she has a problem, she doesn't need you to tell her she needs to get cured or she will die, she doesn't need you to do the reseach for her, she doesn't need you to tell her how to feel about it afterward.

Cait actually acts like a thinking, feeling, adult, with actual agency, which makes her, despite being one of the worse companions in the game, more enjoyable then anyone in NV, who act like nothing but retarded adult babies who need you to ead them by the hand to do even basic stuff like take a shit.

What you described is exactly whats WRONG about companions in RPGs in general.

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>>159548435
Ah I see, I was using NMM because I had a limited amount of time to dick with it and couldn't find my FOMOD exe. Take my rarest spurdo as a token of my gratitude.

>>159554352
You're ignoring the fact that if he hates it enough he leaves

Meaning that he wants to get the milk, but if you do things that he knows are associated with this milk thingie he leaves.


And you got it all backwards. The reason most of NV's companions are even companions is because of the way they deal with their problems, not the other way around.


Boone, as far as he cares, is done for. He already killed his wife to stop her from being a sex-slave or worse, and now dedicates his life to killing Legionaires. He follows you because you kill Legionaires. He already has the "solution" to his problem in his mind. In his quest you either validate his approach or you find a different way.

Arcade is perfectly content in helping people as a doctor. He has dealt with his past. Him traveling with you is what brings about doubts if he has done the right thing.

Lily just thinks you need help and follows you because she's nice and you've been nice to her. One of the solutions for her quest, and for a lot of people the best, is just not interfering and letting her keep doing what she's already doing it.

Cass only becomes a companion because you offered to help her.

Raul becomes your companion because you saved him, and the experiences you share together make him doubt.


You see the theme here?

MOST OF THEM DON'T "CLAIM" TO HAVE ANYTHING. They think they have it figured it out. You're the one who proves them wrong (or god forbid, agrees with their way of doing things) during your travels. They don't NEED you to tell them what to do, they ask for your opinion BECAUSE YOU WERE THE ONE THAT MADE THEM REALIZE THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE.


Boone pretty much has to have info pried out of him with a crane, Veronica deflects almost every attempt of yours to know her better. You're the one who takes the initiative to get in their lives.


>What's wrong with companions in RPGs in general

Man, Cait of all people is your example of a better alternative?

>>159554352
Are you retarded? Like, genuinely retarded?

The search goes nowhere. Even if you're "friends" with him he doesn't change based on that. You have no influence on him. Your actions have no purpose. He's the same flat board no matter what you do, only sometimes the board has a frowny face and others a happy face.

And I love the term special snowflake PC. The story centers around them because they're special, asswipe, not the other way around. Of course the Courier who shaped the Mojave is special, if you want to play as a random dipshit with no influence on anyone get a mod that lets you be a random NCR soldier or some shit like that.


"Cait acts like a thinking, feeling adult with agency".
Wish I'd read this idiocy before starting to write the response. Would have realized you really are retarded and there's no point discussing you

>>159555679
>You're ignoring the fact that if he hates it enough he leaves
OFC he does. Strong is a super mutant, and literally retarded.

>And you got it all backwards. The reason most of NV's companions are even companions is because of the way they deal with their problems
Totally wrong.

Companions in RPGs only exist because its expected, and because its anther easy way of shoving more quests in the player's direction.

They have no other reason to exist, as none of them tell, or make any sort of point that hasn't been made a million times already.

>BECAUSE YOU WERE THE ONE THAT MADE THEM REALIZE THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Which is another part of the problem. Companions, who are supposed to be functional adults, being too stupid to realize something even an idiot could see was a problem.

>Man, Cait of all people is your example of a better alternative?
Hancock is an even better example.

As you learn about his backstory you learn hes the brother of the mayor of Diamond City, that when his brother kicked out all the ghouls he went into a depression, and got hooked on drugs, because he couldn't stand to see what his brother had become. He eventually found his way too Goodneighbor, which was then ruled by an asshole who beat up drifters for shits and giggles. After seeing one drifter get the shit kicked out of him, he got really high, blacked out, woke up next to John Hancock's clothes, which inspired him to rally some people, get some guns, and overthrow the asshole, to make Goodneighbor a better place to live.

Hancock basically did, what in any other shitty RPG, be his companion quest, by himself, long before you even came around.

If Hancock was a companion in a game like New Vegas, he would still be sitting in Goodneighbor, high on drugs as a drifter, and would need you to come around and tell him "hey, maybe you should do something about all your friends getting beat up" with some dumb response like "YOU THINK SO?

>>159552238
They did some really good stuff with the gameplay in 4. Settlements and Power Armor are pretty fucking cool.

The SPECIAL system getting gutted not so much.

If they gave Obsidian a chance and let them do a "New Vegas" for 4, that would probably be a pretty fucking good game.

>>159535291
Yes. Spoonfeed me.

>>159556781
The perk system was at worst a sidegrade that needed expanding for further specialization by the player, but SPECIAL itself became far more important in Fo4.

>>159557105
>The perk system was at worst a sidegrade
^This

Fallout 4's perk system was nothing but taking the 1-100 skill system from Fo3/NV, which didn't work worth a shit, and changing the way it was presented into something more accurate to how it actually played out.

Things like lockpicking may have been a 1-100 skill in fo3/NV, but only ranks 25/50/75/100 actually mattered, since those were the only ranks that actually unlocked higher level locks.

Changing it into a 5 ranked perk, where the first 4 ranks represent 25/50/75/100, and the 5th rank being a bonus power, is nothing but presenting it in the way it actually was the whole time.

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how do i create a mod to just have this as a mask without the armor?

>>159558428
>cut it up in a 3d modeling program
>weight it in one of those programs
>load model into the data folder
>create item in the CK
>add to the world space or leveled lists

>>159556603
Alright, so why does Cait, Hancock, or any companion other than Codsworth, Preston or debatably Strong follow you into nonstop neardeath scenarios?

Cait and Hancock have no reason to be out with you saving the world. Again, you got it backwards. It's not a coincidence all companions in New Vegas have some kind of deep personal issue they're unable to deal with themselves (and you're a real imbecile if you think psychological trauma is something you can just shrug off), they're companions because of it, because only a special kind of maniac would continue following a person that constantly puts themselves and others in mortal danger and sees fit to try and make the wasteland his/her own personal playground.


Raul is a "seen-it-all" type who wants to make himself useful before he dies, Boone follows you exactly because he thinks you'll be his death, Gannon is a sour idealist who wants to do something grand to the point he constantly risks his life for the greater good, Cass is grateful to you for what you did for her and is your friend after you finish her recruitment/companion quest, Lily thinks you need protection and is a Nightkin so it's not like she's particularly afraid of death, and Veronica is such a mess of rebellious angst and depression that she'd probably follow anyone influencial enough to hell and back just to try to escape her life.


They're following you exactly because they have these issues, not despite them. You're surronded by people who have nothing else to live for, exactly because people with a purpose in life don't just follow a guy who fistfights entire raider camps for fun just because he did something nice for them.

Cait and Hancock don't even start as your friend. Danse is a Paladin of the Brotherhood of Steel and technically your boss. Piper has an entire career and little sister to take care of, and Deacon has no right being with you unless you're doing Railroad quests (Continued)

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>Try and login to NMM
>Login errors over and over again
Anyone else? Should I panic?

>>159558882
SSE is still adding a lot of strain to the servers. Just dl your shit manually and add through the add from file thing.

>>159558882
>>159559068
you'd think they'd have prepared for this shit.

don't tell me they can't afford a few extra servers or whatever

fucking lazy skinflint jews

>>159558845
(Continued)
And the feasle amount of caps don't make up for you making a personal bitch out of MacCready
The only companions that it makes sense following you into certain death are the dog, the robot manservant, the other robot manservant, the OTHER robot manservant and the suicidal maniac last of his order. Valentine is also pretty good, you recruit him to help find your son and he becomes your friend after that.
My point being, the antics you're pulling aren't the type of thing that inspires sane people to follow you.
Fallout 4's "human" companions are some of the worst piece of shit writing I've seen in companions in any game and no amount of fanwankery in your part will change that.

People with interesting lives and actual reasons to do anything other than following you become your slaves at a whim, apparently ready to die for you at any time you decide a Super Mutant filled hideout with no relevance to both your goals WHATSOEVER is the best place to have a rave.

>>159559219
He wouldn't have this problem if everyone bought premium accounts for the next 6 months.

In all seriousness, how long until he puts a banner on the site asking everyone to try get premium for a month to "try it out and support the site"

>>159558589
so a program like nifskope? or blender?

>>159558845
>Alright, so why does Cait, Hancock, or any companion other than Codsworth, Preston or debatably Strong follow you into nonstop neardeath scenarios?
-Danse is a BoS solider who is assigned to watch over you and judge your worthiness in being a BoS solider, after that, your a BoS solider, and hes still assigned to work with you.

-Piper is a reporter who normally goes out and puts herself in life or death situations to learn about the shit going on in the world. She even mentions shes fought super mutants, and almost gotten killed by Atom cultists doing her job.

-Deacon is assigned to you as part of the Railroad, and, as he himself mentions, his job is to get Intel about whats going on in The Commonwealth. something he can do while following you.

-X6-88 is assigned to you by the Institute to be a bodyguard. Its literally his job to follow and protect you.

-Mccready follows you because he is a merc, and you hire him to follow you.

-Cait follows you because she is literally owned by the guy who runs the Combat Zone, and he orders her to go with you in the hopes you can get her the help she needs.

-Nick follows you because of your connection to The Institute, and his past with said group.

-Dogmeat is a freaking dog.

> Hancock have no reason to be out with you saving the world
Except he does.

Hancock himself even tells you why he is following you.

The whole point of being ruler of Goodneighbor is to make sure the strong can't oppress the weak, but he saw with the Bobbi situation how hes starting to become like the thing he hates, so hes taking al eave of absence from his post to get back out in the world for a bit.

He also implies hes done this a few times before.

>>159558845
> It's not a coincidence all companions in New Vegas have some kind of deep personal issue they're unable to deal with themselves
OFc its not,

they are all given one so the devs can design a quest around it and shove it down your throat as per RPG standards.

>>159559550
the more someone asks for my money, the less likely i become to give it to them

of course, the likelihood always starts at zero anyways, but still

I have a novel idea for the guy. How about he gets a job?

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>If Ashur spread westward, or the MWBoS spread eastward, we could have trade routes going from one side of the country to the other
so close to reunifying America

Does anyone know how to either force movement, or deactivate gravity on a mob with a script?

>>159559737
There's a reason you don't have members of the 1st Recon, or Lucius, or Rhonda, or Marcus, or Ringo, or Sunny Smiles... (you get the point) follow you and become your companions after befriending them and doing their quests.

Because sane people don't follow you around and forsake their identity to serve a jackass that keeps finding new and inventive ways of almost dying.

Which is why all New Vegas companions who aren't dogs or robots are various degrees of bugfuck insane


>>159559602
See above, and for your points:

Danse is your boss, you're a member of the Brotherhood of Steel, he has no reason to be following you around, taking orders from you and doing things that have absolutely nothing to do with the Brotherhood

Deacon would be much more effective at getting intel alone, as seen by his multiple disguises and inflitrations. Fallout 4 has no option for the player to be subtle in almost anything.

X6-88 is the one of the robot manservants I mentioned.

The caps you pay MacCready don't justify the antics you pull, and the eagerness of a Merc who's supposedly looking for a cure for his son to not be doing a more profitable and less life-threatening job.

Nick I mentioned as a good example, and so did I for Dogmeat, learn to fucking read.

Cait is "owned" by him while they got guns pointed at her, there's no reason for the junkie not to get the hell out of dodge the moment you start fucking around Raider nests like they're full of candy, or taking on the Institute with a bunch of dipshits with Laser Muskets.

Piper follows you around no matter what you're doing. Your point would actually mean something if she either A) only followed you in main or sidequests and after that fucked off or B) didn't have a sister to feed. Doubt "SOME DUDE CLEARED YET ANOTHER RAIDER NEST" makes for good papers.

And Hancock. He's getting back in the world. There are ways to do it that don't involve getting into a slaughterfest fiesta with a person he barely knows.

>>159562283
>Danse is your boss,
No he isn't. He is your sponsor. Your boss is Maxson and Kelles, who are also Danse's bosses.

>Deacon would be much more effective at getting intel alone
Not really. He points your your nack for getting into odd situation, and how, since you are the leader, attention is taken off of him.

>The caps you pay MacCready don't justify the antics you pull
Yes they do, its standard merc work in The Commonwealth and Capital Wasteland.

Mccready was a Gunner, and Gunners do the same shit.

>Cait is "owned" by him while they got guns pointed at her,
100% false, Cait had a contract with the ghoul running the place before the raiders showed up. He still holds her contract after you kill them. Play the game.

>Piper follows you around no matter what you're doing.
OFC she does, since she reports on everything.

>B) didn't have a sister to feed.
NAt operates the paper when Piper is gone, and can handle herself given its Diamond City, the most secure place in the wealth.

>And Hancock. He's getting back in the world. There are ways to do it that don't involve getting into a slaughterfest fiesta with a person he barely knows.
Have you been in The Commonwealth m8? everywhere is a slaughter fest. Its literally day to day for the region.

>Nick I mentioned as a good example, and so did I for Dogmeat, learn to fucking read.
I didn't see the second part of your post twit.

>Because sane people don't follow you around and forsake their identity to serve a jackass that keeps finding new and inventive ways of almost dying.
Except thats exactly what groups like First Recon do.

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>OP has no 1/2/3/NV links

shamefur

>>159563918
Fallout 1/2/NV are in /cfog/ now.

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>finally mod in some decent haircuts
>all the ones i want clip into the ncr ranger coat

>>159564530
/fog/ is for all Fallout games
/cfog/ is for safespaces

>>159564807
Sure, and I'm not going to be using /cfog/ any time soon, but as far as links go, those are over there now.

>>159558882
>NMM
:^)

>>159563217
>First Recon

So to you
An entire nation = One (singular) random jackass


Good to know. Also good to know singlehandely clearing raider dens is standard merc work in the commonwealth (and that paying for a merc means you get a slave for life you never have to pay for again)

Also good to know that even when you read you lack reading comprehension. The Ghoul that owns her owns her through a piece of paper, nothing else. She has no reason not to jump ship when you start pulling the things a protagonist in a Fallout game pulls. Piper also has no reason to follow you when you're doing mundane shit. You'd actually have a point AGAIN if she'd follow you only during quests (like you had a radio or something and would call her when you started a quest), not when you spend 5 hours building your new home. Also good to know you're/will be a shitty parent that lets a child operate a newspaper by herself while you're out with some guy/girl.

Danse is your SUPERIOR OFFICER. He literally tells you that if he gives an order, you follow him. HE IS EFFECTIVELY YOUR BOSS. HE HAS IN THEORY DIRECT AUTHORITY OVER YOU. This is not fucking debatable, he says so right after you accept joining the brotherhood, and before, and during it, and ALL THE TIME BEFORE HIS QUEST THAT MAKES HIM LEAVE THE BROTHERHOOD.

And again, Deacon is debatable, but I still think the kind of shit you pull on a day to day basis goes completely against his objective and his responsibilities as one of the top agents of the Railroad.

>>159565165
Not him, but wouldn't it make sense to put them here as well? Newcomers to the series are going to want to play all the games, even if they were introduced with 4.
Except BoS, of course

>>159565724
this
also whatever faggot OP keeps forgetting Prewar thread and Edition, Edition needs to be shot

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>>159565724
But everybody has to play BoS sooner or later. It's our own Mario is Missing.

>>159565724
I don't make these OPs, though I have for other generals. The post limit gets filled pretty quick, but even if it didn't, just look at the current one and look at how large the post already is. You don't want it getting too large.

Linking to a single pastebin that has the entire /cfog/ OP or linking to /cfog/ would be my suggested compromise.

>>159566540
>getting too large

That's not going to happen with 1/2/3/Tactics.
New Vegas can have a reccomended mods list and that's about it since /cfog/ is nothing but NV.

Guys I just got New Vegas , anything I should know?

>>159566801
Don't try to get to Vegas right away. You'll regret it quickly. Also factions really matter in NV, so think carefully as to who you want to side with as it's going to lock you out of stuff from the other faction(s).
Other than that, the game is pretty linear until you get to New Vegas. Then things open up.

>>159565283
>An entire nation = One (singular) random jackass
Nice straw man

Holy hell.

>The Ghoul that owns her owns her through a piece of paper, nothing else. She has no reason not to jump ship when you start pulling the things a protagonist in a Fallout game pulls.
By that logic neither does Charon, what is mental conditioning.

>Piper also has no reason to follow you when you're doing mundane shit.
Sure she does, because newspapers are not all just PAGE 1 HEADLINES!

>Danse is your SUPERIOR OFFICER. He literally tells you that if he gives an order, you follow him. HE IS EFFECTIVELY YOUR BOSS. HE HAS IN THEORY DIRECT AUTHORITY OVER YOU. This is not fucking debatable, he says so right after you accept joining the brotherhood, and before, and during it, and ALL THE TIME BEFORE HIS QUEST THAT MAKES HIM LEAVE THE BROTHERHOOD.
Except he says no such thing.

He says hes your boss when you first join because Maxson hasn't arrived in the Prydwen, which makes him the superior officer at the time.

After the Prydwen Arrives, he does like every good military officer does, and tells you to talk to the commanding officer, which is Maxson, below Maxson is Kelles, and below him are the Proctors.

>And again, Deacon is debatable, but I still think the kind of shit you pull on a day to day basis goes completely against his objective and his responsibilities as one of the top agents of the Railroad.
His job is to get intel on everything going on, your always interacting with someone during your travels, which means its always helpful.

>>159566801
Be wary of what direction you get, and listen to what NPCs idly mention. That quarry that's been overrun? It's been closed off for a reason. You see certain people carrying Antivenom? That's in the game for a reason. Be wary of how much you wander off the road, since you're totally free to, but you're also totally free to get mauled by Cazadores and Bark Scorpions.

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>>159567113
Wait if its so linear do I really have a choice on whether or not I go there directly?
I think I'm going to go for NCR because Caesars Legion reminds me of the Imperials in Skyrim and I hated the Imperials
I'm guessing the best build is high Luck, high Agility sneaky sniper?

>>159567415
How am I supposed to know if they have Antivenom without pickpocketing them?
Are the cowboy guns any good?

>>159567431
The short way to New Vegas is filled with Deathclaws and Cazadors. The long way has story-related missions and definitely has a "you're supposed to go this way" feeling.
Legion and Imperials are nothing alike. Legion are essentially Disney villains, depth wise. NCR has flaws, but at least they have decent writing.

High luck is NV makes the casinos piss easy and also fun as hell. You can also pay for each SPECIAL to be upgraded once, so never put anything at 10.

>>159567609
>Are the cowboy guns any good?
if you take the appropriate perks like Cowboy and Gunslinger/Rifleman

>>159567431
The game is linear only in that there is an expected path for you to travel towards going off NPC dialogue, the existing roads, and the quests you get. From the initial Goodsprings starting point, they expect you to do the quests there, travel south through Primm, then the southwest NCR Outpost, hook east towards Novac, etc. That's sort of the expected path if you're going through the story and not exploring, simply going "forward". You're totally free to say 'fuck that' and go wander, though.

>>159567609
I only mention Antivenom because you'll realize that there being an Antivenom item implies the existing of venomous enemies, and that'll be an issue if you're not careful. You'll undoubtedly find them lying around here and there as you play FNV. As far as the cowboy guns go, yeah, I enjoyed the revolvers and lever-action rifles.

>>159566801
Check /cfog/ for recommended mods.
Enhanced Shaders is still the best ENB
None of the body mods are particularly great but T6M is the top of the shit heap.
Get Yukichigai unofficial patch and cut content mods
Remember to edit the INI file and get NVAC to help with crashes
NV generally tries to make all builds viable. Don't just go for high luck stealth sniper. Explore your options and look at perks as they have a few gimmicks like Shotgun surgeon and And Stay Back! to keep shotguns relevant.
DR/DT is fucked so wear what you want(mostly light armor) unless you patch it.
There are loads of unique items, sometimes in the unlikeliest of places.
Fusion batteries are good for caps unless you're a tech character with energy weapons then you can refill drained ammo.

Have fun.

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>>159567974
>You're totally free to say 'fuck that' and go wander, though.

It would be extremely painful.

Also what kind of scorpions are Fallout scorpions based off again? Emperor?

>>159568451
emperor and bark

not 100% on the classic ones but probably some ultragiganigga ones in the southwest

>>159567431
>hating the Imperials in Skyrim
>indirectly implying you like the stormlcloacas, who are only not the worst choice for skyrim as letting the civil war continue is a thing that you can do.
>thinking that the Legion and the Imperials are remotely similar aside being not!roman

>>159568303
don't forget 4gb

>>159567123
Like hoooly shit you're dumb


I'm not even the guy you're having a bitching competition with but I'm triggered


Danse is your superior officer. When Maxson is not giving orders you're supposed to follow his orders. That's how military ranking works. But whatever kid, both of you continue your retarded discussion. Fallout 4 companions are too shitty for me to waste time arguing about them.

>>159568658
All radscropions except the bark ones are emperor scorpions that could be found in every pet shop in America before the bombs fell.

>>159568692
This. Ulfric is seen as a Thalmor asset because him making an Independent Skyrim or at least fueling the civil war plays massively into their hand. He's a dumbass constantly chided by other characters for going about things the wrong way and even in Sovngarde he admits he fucked up.

>>159571318
Alduin did nothing wrong
take it to /tesg/, though

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What should my SPECIAL look like if I want to get into energy weapons? Or does it not matter?

About to play Fallout 4 for the first time.

Due to time constraints, I only plan on doing one playthrough and would like to maximize my experience.

What are some essential mods to do this? I only plan on getting the mod that makes the nights darker so far.

>>159571972
Need INT so you can actually make the mods for them.

>meme retards and frogposters festering both generals

you can stop pretending and come forwards you cross-posting frog fuckers

so how does purified water production work? do you produce less with the more settlers you get? and is there any drawbacks to putting multple purifiers in a settlement besides more risk of a raid?

>>159574104
It's a very simple system. Water production - Number of Settlers = Bottles of Purified Water. They produce every day and have a limit (I think it's 20 or 30) of how much water you can have at once. The more resources you have, the more likely you are of being attacked.


Dunno the math for the attack percentage doe.

>>159567123
>except he says no such thing


>Player Default: What would be expected of me if I joined?

>You'd be under my command, and I'd expect you to follow orders.


Kill yourself you idiotic piece of human garbage

I'm roleplaying a trippy hippy for my next playthrough but don't want to be a junkie. What are the real world equilvilents of Fallout drugs? I know med-x is morphine.

>>159574104
>>159574458
There's also an arbitrarly small cap on how much water will be stored in your workshop, which includes stuff you stick in yourself.

For best results, get a mod that removes that cap.

anyone know how to change a weapons range in fo4edit?

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So I'm getting frustated with NMM. Always used NMM until fallout 4 came out because it easy to use until now. I want to install some mods into my fallout 4, and it works fine, but sometimes it tells me "long loading times, erase everything after sResourceDataDirsFinal=". So I do. Then I keep installing with no issue. Then i close NMM. I open NMM and half my mods are not activated. I know that those mods are installed, and I activated them, but as soon as i close NMM, they deactivate and im getting frustated because i cant figure out whats wrong.

Yes, i do have bInvalidateOlderFiles=1 in my .ini.

Yes, its real copy of fallout 4.

Does anyone have a solution to my problem, or should i say goodbye to NMM and try using those mod managers created by mod makers(if so, which one should i use?)?

Is it possible to replace aiming in with a grenade launcher attachment or is that not possible with the GECK?

>>159574623
Read the rest of the post
>He says hes your boss when you first join because Maxson hasn't arrived in the Prydwen, which makes him the superior officer at the time.

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>>159574664
daddy-o and day tripper fit the hippy theme.

>Popular with beatniks and intellectuals before the Great War, Daddy-O raises Intelligence and Perception, but lowers Charisma, for a limited period of time.

>A pre-war chem favored by those looking for a "happy escape," Daytripper raises both Charisma and Luck, but lowers Strength, for a limited period of time.

Do you have to take the Dog with you? I don't see an option to tell him to get lost, just to "Stay".

>>159577963
You can drop him. Pretty sure one of the first things you can do is call him a mutt, isn't it? He even becomes essential for a story quest later (that makes absolutely no sense), but I don't think you have to have him as your follower, he'll just join as a tertiary companion and leave.

>>159577963
not at the beginning no

you will eventually for a really dumb scripted segment

>>159578486
> (that makes absolutely no sense),
Not him but, how so?

>>159579163
Been a while since I played it, but my comment was two-fold: 1) absurd that they'd force a companion on you for the story, although it is the story so I can give a pass on that, 2) that a random ass dog you found at a gas station is connected to not only Mama Murphy and co., but also Nick Valentine, and then comes sprinting off towards you when you start that questline. I just found it incredibly stupid when I played the story, but maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

>>159579443
Well, Nick does say that hes going to call Dogmeat by using a high frequency signal. Like how most dog whistles work.

Its not like dogmeat just knew to be there at that moment

>>159579142
You can actually skip the majority of that by first getting the fort as a fast-travel target, then going there once you have to follow dogmeat.

>>159577136
He's still your superior officer after Maxson gets.

He is a Paladin. You are an Initiate/Knight. You take orders from him.

Do you want me to repeat? I'm sorry I can't speak retardese

Anyone know where a nigger can score a laser pistol early in the game? I'm only level 5 and can't stand this pipe weapon bullshit.

>>159576342

Are there any weapons in the game that have 2 different firing parts?

Maybe with the melee key? But instead of melee your gun shoots out a grenade. And then remap melee key to something else so it feels more natural?

>>159583646
so what youre trying to do is one of those tacticool under barrel grenade launchers for the minigun

>>159583769
I'm thinking more alt fire like Soldier 76's assault rifle in Overwatch

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>>159583769

Wait, what? EX and I are just making the CZ57 Avenger.

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>>159583259
Guys. Pls.

>>159584681
>>159583259
gunners

they're all over too

if you really want to make a trek you can go to vault 95, if you are low level you might be able to get one to spawn with a laser pistol

or you know just help danse then turn the one he gives you into a pistol

>>159584681
Just do console commands.

>>159583259
Just run to the police station and do the arcjet quest with danse, it rewards a unique laser rifle and killing all the synths will give a shit ton of cells.

>>159584389
You wouldn't happen to know much about NV scripting, would you?

>>159584857
Gunners will probably slap my shit. All I have are schlocky pipe weapons and a laser musket. That deathclaw nearly murdered me.

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>>159585079

No

I neither mod NV nor do I know much about scripting. I prefer to work with models.

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Alright, So I got the back part red and I have been expirementing to give it a dirty look to match the engine. Or I could clean up the engine

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>>159585589

That looks awesome dude!

We're gonna get featured on blogs for sure with this weapon mod

>>159585013
Is that the quest with the distress signal radio thing? I had that signal pop-up but I haven't done it.

>>159585259
Ah well, the quest continues.

>>159585763
>>159585259
>>159585589
Why don't you two stop modding FO4 and mod NV? It is the better game.

>>159586118
I've gotten too used to the system in fallout 4 for textures, and not to toot my own horn but I know more about pbr textures than like 90% of modders, I like the system more.

>>159586421
More crazy weapons please? Especially from S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

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>>159586118
Back to your containment board with you.

>>159586747
His Girl Friday?

>>159586574
No promises man. I'm pretty sure buff has a few projects to do first, but I'll put it on the list of things to consider in my work folder.

>>159586747
Not him, but he is right. I don't think FO4 is a bad game, but New Vegas is superior to it in every way except the gun handling.

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>>159586118

Its not as easy as it sounds, I'd have to learn a lot of shit all over again for NV.

OS can probably work with NV but I don't know if I'll bother desu. NV looked dated even back in 2010, and FO4's still fresh...I also think FO4 is more fun as an actual video game, even if NV has it licked story wise and immersion-wise.

>>159587407
>OS can probably work with NV
it does, kinda

I was trying to convert some armors to a semi unsupported body type but when I extracted the new nif the meatcap parts were now visible in live people and there was a ton of clipping

>>159587378
Not the guy you were responding to, but NV is by no means better in every way, or even most ways.

-SPECIAL means far less
-The 1-100 skill system is garbage
-Weapon modding is nowhere near as developed
-PA is nowhere near as good as Fo4
-The general world map sucks, with there being almost nothing of interest to explore
-The facts are all unlikable, and come of as almost one dimensional caricatures of what they are supposed to represent
-The game tries to shoehorn everyone and their grandmother into the MQ, creating tons of plotholes and logical failings
-The DLC, outside of OWB, is far worse then either FH or NW

>>159587974
nice b8

>>159588165
>differing opinions are b8
Back to /cfog/

who did you side with in far harbor? i cant really decide, i dont really know if any ending would be better than any other for my character

>>159588416
he's right, though
and I fucking love NV

>>159588829
Always take a third option. Look for mods for it.

>>159589181
That's like telling someone to download futa mods when they ask about Imperial vs Stormcloaks.

>>159557403
>>159557105

It allowed for far more character customisation and building. And the way that it worked with dialogues was amazing, different quest solutions and dialogue based on if your character is good at bartering or science or survival. All lost in Fallout 4, with the only extra dialogue (which is invariably just asking for more caps) linked to one perk.

>>159589503
Aren't there mods where you can be your own damn faction?

>>159589615
There are mods like that for Skyrim, not FO4

>>159589536
>different quest solutions and dialogue based on if your character is good at bartering or science or survival.
The problem is that none of that actually mattered in the game itself, and only really changed post game slideshows that mean nothing.

NV also had a massive problem of offering so many ways to pass a speech check that it became effectively impossible not too, meaning every character could pass it, which in turn meant your skill selection did nothing really to change how the game played, all it did was change which of the 6 checks you use to pass the check and get the same ending.

It was literally illusionary choice, and illusionary character diversity.

>>159590019
6 checks are better than 1 check

>>159590019
So I can do fun things even if I've got 1 charisma, because I know how guns work?

>>159590002
Well shiet, yo.

>>159590424
6 doors all leading to the same ending is no different then one door leading to the same ending

>>159590535
except it is -by definition- different

>>159585809
Not the first anon, but yes that is the quest.

Also pick up the enemy weapons so you can get the ammo loaded into them.

Given that the south is the last part of post-war America we haven't seen yet, what do you suspect has been going on down there.

>>159589536
You have almost the same amount of character customization and building actually. Hell you can already be more specialized in Fo4 due to various crafting skills being split up so hackers aren't good at making energy weapons or crafting chems.

Also the dialogue thing is a failure of the quest designers, not of the new perk and SPECIAL system.

>>159591391
Beer and incest.
So absolutely nothing has changed.

>>159591391
Incest, moonshine making, gun ownership, eating weird shit you shot and/or ran over, and racism.

Which means it's indsitnguishable from the modern day south aside from the beeping on your giger counter and your ability to find structurally sound buildings.

>>159591697
>>159591887
If you had to pick any three cities in the south to set Fallout games, where would you?

And by "the south" I mean everything from Texas/Oklahoma all the way to the Carolinas/Florida

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>>159591498
>hackers wont be good at crafting energy weapons and chems
>hacker, science and chemistry are all in the intelligence category

>>159592293
>He keeps responding to the bait
It's your own fault

>>159592293
Having int for the perks does not mean you take all the perks. Unlike NV, where putting skill points
into trying to be a better hack automaticaly makes you a better energy weapons modder and chemist.

>>159592504
In both settings you're fulfilling prerequisites to get them as you still need perks minus hacking

>>159592504
>where putting skill points
>into trying to be a better hack automaticaly makes you a better energy weapons modder and chemist.
no it doesn't

that only works for science affecting hacking and the ability to make chems

it doesn't raise energy weapon skill and raising energy weapons doesn't raise hacking and chem making

>>159592397
I'm just chiming in lad. NV is better than fo4 but fo4 is more fun to play

>>159592951
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Science#Fallout:_New_Vegas

I never said science made you use energy weapons better. Only that it let you mod them better. Which it does by letting you craft better ammo types for energy eapons.

Learn to goddamn read.

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>Crow wings are too dark
>Look too gothic
>Look way too Sephiroth-y
>I'll make them brown and white, like a bird of prey, such as an Eagle or a Condor

Yes, I like this outcome

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>>159594282
Those wings aren't animated. It looks dumb. If you cant animate them, remove them.

>manually adding an item to an npc and the plugin is very last and they STILL fucking load with their default gear

>>159595156
Don't be entitled

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>>159594282
reminds me of the Cazaclaws, i miss them.

>>159595995
Don't expect people to be satisfied with a subpar mod

>>159596316
Not him, but have you seen how many simply godawful mods get thousands of endorsements on nexus?

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was playing frost and unlocked oberland station
3 hours later i accidentally made my favourite settlement by far

your thoughts?

>>159596558
Where did you get all that extra shit senpai?

>>159596558
i fucking like it, good job anon.

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>>159595156

I'm trying to rig them to the arms or something so they'll move a little bit more.

They're rigged to clavicle so they'll move some, but not much. They won't flap or anything but I'm trying to get away around that. I just wanted this deathclaw to be unique, and I think the massive wings make him a bit more threatening.

>>159596558
High quality work, what are you using to make those shop stalls?

>>159597120
if you can add wing, why not make a 4 armed death claw?

>>159597225
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/16207/?
Essential for junktowns and/or bartertowns.
adds new furniture, the "shop walls" you pointed out, and a whole new structure type (as in, can create buildings shaped completely different than the default blocky buildings)

>About to disarm a trap on a door
>Dogmeat walks by and the door flings open

This fucking dog...

Is there a way to change the console key?

>>159596976
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/16207/?
as i said in reply to >>159597225, its essential for junktowns and/or bartertowns.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/9710/?
good ol northland diggers for those butcher stalls and and other resources generators.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/7393/?
then some good ol snap n build for my capsule house.

What unlimited companion mods do you use? The two on the nexus are buggy as hell and aren't supported.

Outdated: http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3605/?

Can't dismiss automatrons: http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/11829/?

>>159597120
It looks Indian with the wings.

>Buff playing Fallout 4

What makes you think you have a right to even do that shit anymore? You're abandoning us but you still play the game? We made you who you are. Your identity in the game belongs to us and, henceforth, so does you playing it because now you have an image. Oh you didn't ask for an image? Fuck off. You took it and ran with it and now you're trying to pretend you never had it. Who the fuck do you think you are you traitor?

See you in Fallout 4 SE I guess you fickle bitch.

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>>159599635

Wat

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>Try Fallout4 for the first time
>Love what I see, good set up, interesting ideas, well designed gun-play. Feels like a good evolution of Fallout3
>Notice the difficulty, see survival. It actually penalizes you for not eating, drinking, or sleeping, and makes saves happen at beds only.
>This appeals to me, and I try it out
>Get through about 2 hours of gameplay, cannot find a fuck bed ANYWHERE.
>Keep soldiering on. Find a power suit. Am doing okay. A dog monster appears and one shots me
>It puts me back at the begging
>Try 6 more times, each time getting insta gibbed in a way I can't possibly react to, and still cannot just fucking find a single bed
Why the fuck wouldn't they just put a bed in your house at the beginning? Why the hell is a place to sleep so impossibly fucking hard to find? I want to survival, but you gotta throw me one fucking bone here game.
inb4 hurr durr just look up a walkthrough bro XD

>>159600057
Theres beds everywhere, you don't even have to look for them.

>>159600016
Can you rig the middle of the wings to the pectoral region, and the outer part to the upper arm?

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Okay, anyway

I rigged his beautiful eagle wings a little bit differently. Now they're a little bit more lively.

If only he could flap em and fly around, but I'd need an animator and possibly Trainwiz's help on that!

>>159599635
lolwut

>>159600195

I rigged them to clavicle and upper arms. I was quite thrilled to see the end result actually.

I might even release them as modders resources (along with the mod) for other modders to experiment with

I also bet a TON of FF7 fanbois will ask me to make Sephiroth

Are either of the alternate start mods worthwhile? Another Life looks like it hands out gamebreaking bonuses like candy but Infinite Answer looks pretty reasonable.

>>159600208
This looks really good now, compared to the stiff wings we saw in screenshots.

>>159600208
Congratulations

>>159600057
it's best to build a bed in Sanctuary or Red Rocket, then work your way out from there.

if you want to save without actually sleeping, choose to sleep for 1 hour, then cancel it once the screen turns black. it will save your game without passing any time. note that it will still decrease your Adrenaline rank as if you had actually slept for an hour.

>>159600208
That doesn't look like a mutant creature anymore, it looks like one of Satan's minions.

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>>159600851
I can't speak for either of those, but here's a simpler one that you might be interested in.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/18946/

>>159600208
Why does it have bird wings to begin with?

>>159601073
That looks perfect, thank you.

>>159601232

FEV

Got into FEV, grew huge muscle mass and began to grow wings, but can't fly because it weighs 6000 pounds. The wings help balance it a little, and help it attract mates I guess, and also look really fuckin' cool.

>>159601638
You know buff, I am waiting for someone to try to say but FEV shouldn't work on deathclaws because deathclaws are already FEV mutants, because I know how people think that load of horse shit

>>159601638
That's nice.
Now make an Albino Cazaclaw.

>>159601779
But isn't that exactly what happened in FO1?

>>159601779
Wasn't that last thread?

My game keeps crashing, persistently. It's a new game, and it's always in the exact same location. I'm on Xbox One. I spawned in the Lonely Chapel and after going through the bunker, I step outside and it crashes.
>inb4 consolefag
Here's my load order:
>Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch
>True Storms
>NCR Veteran Ranger Armor
>Eli's Tweaks and Fixes All-In-One
>Fresh Game Play Overhaul
>XB1 Survival ReBalance
>Pistol Reanimation Pack
>Right-Handed Hunting Rifle Replacer
>Insignificant Object Remover
>Survival Options
>Unlimited Building
>Realistic Sounds
>Reduced Grass Density
>Disable Lens Flare
>Disable God Rays
>Ish's Respec Mod
>Bullet Time
>Realistic Ragdoll Force
>Blacksmith's Crafting Expansion
>Real Nights with Real Lights
>Dot Crosshair
>Realistic Roads Black Asphalt
>Dave's Poses
>Hunting Overhaul
>NGA No Guns Allowed
>Fast Travel Cars
>M16 Service Rifle
>Remington Model 1858
>DKS 501 Sniper Rifle
>Conquest
>Mute Player Voice
>Glock P80
>Busty (Not EV Replacer)
>Vault Booty
>Crossbows of the Commonwealth
>Full Dialogue Interface
>Alternate Start Infinite Answers
Help would be appreciated.

>>159601779

Okay, different strain of FEV mutated them even further

>>159601947
no

is nora an /ss/, /d/, or /ll/ kinda girl?


or some sorta combination?

>>159603631
/ss/
http://hatenewspapers.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=228

Are deathclaws cute?

>>159604015
Buffscale, why did you do this to us.

>>159603631
/ss/ and post orgasm torture

>>159605023

That Booru is mostly dead

I just put stuff there whenever I felt like it, but eh...nothing really good as far as sex mods yet.

Is there a fix for my game crashing every 10 mins? I'm running it in compatibility and in borderless windowed mode

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/19812/?

Remember my little pony? It seems there are still bronies.

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>finally get around to doing nuka whorl
>literal fucking graboids

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>>159605894
>tfw no Burmecian race

>>159586421

Your current texture looks awesome dude, now this is beginning to look like some heavy duty equipment.

>>159605083
>>159604015
I feel nora is the kinda girl that fuck put a wig on robo-shaun and anally annihilate him in the on the bar in the middle of diamond city with her girthy girlcock while everyone watches

then she probably just lets anybody else use robo-shaun's body

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>>159606459

>>159605894
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/660/?
Kill all Bronies.

>>159607647
what am I lookin at here

>>159606459
>>tfw no Burmecian race
Just because you make mods doesn't mean your allowed to bring your fetishes in here. This is your first warning.

>>159607916
it's a bit too late for that anon

on a related note, how big do you think nora's dick is?

>>159607860
problem.png

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>>159605894
>>159606667
autism, autism never changes.

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>>159608042
very

>>159606635
>>159606459
Am I the only one that is completely unimpressed with this weapon mod?

Is 4chan kill

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I don't know how to attach my custom barrel to my unique model ;_;

But its now standalone...most of the hurdles already over with.

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>>159612456

It also won't be moddable: All the parts are better than the shit you've already got anyway

But it will work with that legendary mod if you just wanna decimate everything

>>159612456
>>159612569
So, it was working when you were just modifying the regular Minigun, but now that you've tried to make it its own item, it doesn't work?

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God damn cocktease.

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>>159613001

Replacing the Accelerated barrel made the barrel show up.

When I copied the Minigun to make a unique one, its only using the default barrel. I have very little experience with how this works, the art and sound folder only shows the mesh for the minigun itself, but no barrels.

I'll probably figure it out later, I can guarantee you that Niero knows, but I don't know where he is.

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WHY THE FUCK DOES MY GAME KEEP CRASHING ON STARTUP WITH NO MODS? EVEN WHEN I THINK I FOUND THE FIX AND GET IT TO START, IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO CRASHING ON THE NEXT STARTUP. I'M SO MAD RIGHT NOW.

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What's the advantage of the long barrel over the sniper barrel on the laser rifle? Is it just ammo capacity or does the sniper barrel actually need those three little lights to charge up to deal max damage?

Is it a good idea to move to workbench or will it result in an extremely buggy game?

>>159614210
sniper>long for damage
long>sniper for ammo capacity

the sniper does need to charge but its broken in game and theres a mod that fixes it

>>159614214
>that background
Are you the guy who posts his bald PC in photoshoots with Piper and her kid sister? Are you that autist? Please leave.

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>>159614382
nope thats not me

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>>159614382
I'm pretty sure that is the asian mod showcase blog thing in the white room mod.

>>159614720
The Jap blog does some really good showcasing. Videos can use some work, but the photos are usually done real well.

Never thought about it, maybe the guy I'm thinking of used their white room, since they gave a download for it.

>>159545053
It's bullshit, and the site is slow as sin with all those ads.

Fuck you, i'm not gonna turn off adblock, your ads are making it so that I can't even browse the site.

>>159615681
Have you also had video ads worse than the wiki on the nexus?

>>159615785
way, way worse.

At least on the wikis, I can scroll through pages without feeling like i'm on my grandma's Dell XP with a gb of ram
I ruined that computer by installing too many toolbars.

Is there a way to enable the console in survival? Im stuck on a quest and want to finish it

That one anon finally got his wish if he even still browses
http://fallout4.blog.jp/archives/66991076.html

>>159614210
>>159614349
sniper barrel needs all 3 lit up to do listed damage. the least damage it can do is 50%, and it takes 3 seconds for all 3 lights to come on. if you want to spam shots you don't want to use the sniper barrel.

>>159616320
there's a mod that turns it back on. and mods that add a device you can hotkey to autosave too.

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>find gun with cool mod
>take it to workbench and downgrade it for cheap
>mod is not stored
>bring up gun you want to mod
>new mod can be attached for free
Is that how it works? You only have to use materials for downgrading?

>>159620580
*now stored

>>159620580
Don't think you need resources for completely removing the mod or swapping it for the most basic version.

Can I get a recommendation for a mod that cleans the shit off my settler's faces?

Seriously. I have water purifiers up the wazoo. I'm certain they could afford to bathe.

>>159620580
Yes, if you are patient you don't need any of the gun nut perks to get the weapon modifications you want... you just need it to drop.

Does take patience though.