/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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>>159355865
I'm posting bote until toady adds botes in the game and we can have real fishing in the game.

>>159356271
We talking small boats or big galleons like mobile forts?

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>>159356369
All botes. Toady said he WILL add boates and they'll be small and big, some behaving like fortresses.
Bote mode when

>>159356423
Now this I want. imagine how much faeces will be on every dwarf if you don't have a shower in a choke point.

>>159356271
Didn't you completely miss the last thread?

>>159357083
that's why it was good

Do you guys stick to one kind of weapon or do you have multiple squads with different types? What kinds do you prefer? I partial to hammers myself.

>>159360601
I generally stick to two groups, one with hammers and one with battleaxes.

I try to work in x-bow dorfs, but it never works. Maybe i should throw in a spear dorf squad.

>>159358335
not as good as your mother

got dammut where did everybody go?

>>159356423
>>159356790
Are coins back in yet? As in, every dwarf carrying his own wealth with him? I miss those throwing competitions with coins as lethal flying objects.

>>159360601
Warhammers and Picks
everything else (except crossbows) is a mistake.

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Damn DePlatino for making such appealingly clean text.

>>159356369
Yes.

>>159362179
The economy isn't active yet, no.

ight so first fort on the go, on year 4. plenty of food and drink, shrooms and berries being farmed. few questions

what do i do with figurines, how do I know the squad members have equipped the weapon i told them to. does each dwarf have an inventory I can see?

Ive dug down to layer 136? just touched the top of a cavern. What do I do now, i have a variety of gems cut and stored and all I can do is encrust furniture whats that worth.

also quite a bit of copper and silver, do i make metal weapons? the fuck do i fight with them

>>159307997
>wearing an amulet as an earring

>>159352615
>>159353160
The default keybind is ctrl+shift+z, you can change it in dfhack.init

>>159365246
Assign a [n]oble to the position of [m]anager, then open the [u]nits screen and then the [j]obs list to find the [m]anager interface.

Through there you can set orders to produce various things, do various jobs, etc.

A suit of armor should be at least a helm, mail shirt, gauntlets, and high boots. Ideally with a hood and cloak for facial features.

Copper armor and weapons aren't ideal, if you come across hematite, magnetite, or limonite you can make iron, if you come across uh, shit, bismuthinite I think, you can go after bronze, which is better, unless you have flux stone like marble, dolomite, chalk, and the like which can be used to make steel.

Copper edged weapons are ok for a start, but silver blunt weapons kick ass, silver war hammers and maces are a good start for a military, copper shields are heavy for bashing and less fragile than wooden shields which can get damaged now.

To see the inventory you can loo[k] at a unit, or [v]iew them.

To line up jobs directly besides the manager you can [q]uery buildings and oors and such and start jobs or tasks or toggle states like locking doors, ordering levers pulled, or deconstruction.

Is Elkposter ever going to finish our quest for pussy?

>>159366228
alright i have some silver, guess ill make some hammers at the metalwork forge? or is it the craft workshop.

i have all the doors i need, what do i do though just keep digging until i hit some subterranean creature and let it wipe me out or what. the only action ive seen are kobolds.

again though, how do i make sure my squads have actually equipped the stuff.

>>159366847
there is no real goal to DF, its an old school sim like simcity. up to you what you want to do.

>>159366847
read the military tutorial.

military is actually a bitch to figure out, its almost too hard to explain without figuring it out for yourself.

>>159366847
Like the others said, decide what you want to see if you can do, and see if you can do it.

As you start making more stuff and getting more dorfs you'll begin getting attention from more interesting visitors.

They can show up in the caverns too, in unpredictable and often horribly deadly forms, so be careful there too.

hundreds and hundreds of hours of this shit and I'd hadn't encountered pus until now. had to look it up to see if it was a new feature

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>>159368009
my entire fort is built in dirt and its starting to grow grass inside im gonna regen in a proper mountain and make a decent palace.

>>159368180
i figure it has something to do with this armor rack but thanks.

>>159357083
N-n-no I didn't shut up

>>159366228
copper and tin make bronze. Bismuthinite can make bismuth bronze, which is identical to bronze in material quality but is more valuable and always worth the cost of making if you were already making bronze.

If you're using copper the only edged weapon you should make are spears. If I had only silver and copper, I would use silver warhammers squads and crossbow squads, personally.

>>159368180
I don't understand how toady couldn't make a consistent UI? I've learned everything now but seriously.

>>159369893
well, since everything is in ASCII instead of using sprites, he has to use Hotkeys for all the commands instead of icons, like a normal game.

>>159368868
that normal, grass is good cause you can feed your grazers.

If you don't like it you can build floors over it so it won't grow. You can also build walls while you're at, it increases the value of the rooms and doesn't requiring (or allow) smoothing or engraving like natural stone.

>>159369730
Tin is what I was derping on, I have only had a chance to actually set up a bronze industry without access to steel overriding it like once, but it had bismuthinite there too, thank ya.

>>159366228
Bronze isn't better than iron in any way except for it's marginally higher density making it marginally better for blunt attacks.
k doesn't allow you to see a creature's inventory.

>>159368868
Having dirt for the first few z levels of an embark isn't unusual, and is desirable in many cases. You just dig deeper before you start settling. That's a tiny fort, and you could redig it a zlevel or 3 down in minutes, no need for a new embark.

>>159373378
Cassiterite is the ore of tin. That's usually where people stumble in memory.

Cassiterite is focused in alluvial layers, which means areas of erosion from water and near/buried in sedimentary layers. That means it's actually quite rare to get all the pieces of bronze without getting at least iron, if not steel.

>>159374654
You get a lot more cassiterite in granite, which is a very common layer stone and can exist throughout the entirety of an embark. Alluvial layers are much less common by comparison, and can only exist in a small zone near the top of an embark. It's not unusual at all to get tons of cassiterite without a single component of steel.

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>>159374617
It isn't quite that simple, and I am too used to thinking about adventure mode loo[k] I guess.

Looks like the yield values are higher for bronze, but fracture is lower, and it's denser. They're pretty close though.

>>159374654
Yeah, I've only had one fort which was a 2x2 with one forest tile and three mountain tiles, had a good amount of a flux as I recall, but only silver/copper/tin and then I hit a seam of bismuthinite up in the highest parts of the mountain... with the cassiterite under the forest part.

>only way get a dog/animal companion is to create an interaction that gives [INTELLIGENT]

>>159377610

Yeah, but then it'll cause the dog/animal to speak.

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>>159376563
Had a stonesense shot of it but can't remember where, though I know this was from it because I had carved the living area/bedrooms around a drained volcano and all the dorfs spent time plinking bolts into cavern wildlife that tried to come up.

>>159376563
>It isn't quite that simple
You're right, it isn't quite that simple. It's pretty damn close to that simple, though. The raws you posted add up to "iron is better if you're doing anything other than making blunt weapons."

I have a shit ton of lead, what should I do with it?

>>159377965
build water pumps
make pewter figurines and carefully arrange chess sets or wargame boards

>>159377887
Well, higher impact/compressive/tensile/shear/bending yield with the higher impact/tensile strain at yield means it's better at shrugging off blunt weapons I think, but the lower fracture values means it isn't as good at stopping blades.

Toady uses weird values there though, so it's pretty confusing, but aside from something using exclusively edged attacks bronze should come out better as armor.

do traps still block caravans?

>>159377887
iron and bronze are almost identical, bronze is only marginally inferior to iron.

You're better off saving your iron for steel.

>>159380404
It's not exclusively inferior, like I said, it'll shrug off blunt impacts better if I'm reading the raws properly.

>>159380896
I don't debate that, what i'm saying is that its only slightly inferior, barely noticeable in other regards in comparison to iron.

>>159380896
it's heavier, which means it will slow down your dwarves' attacks.

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Is there any good way to make sure my woodcutters don't cut trees in such a way that the logs fall into ponds? I'd rather not have to drain a pond every time I want some willow logs.

Build floors over the ponds

>>159381829
Until they get their armor skill up, at which point it doesn't matter anymore, and they'll barely notice the difference between bronze and iron, it's far less than the bronze/copper one after all.

>>159381047
Well, it's better against stuff like fists, hammers, misc object wielders and the like which can't strike at the lower edged resistance easily.

>>159382678
If you wanted to paint a burrow that overlapped the side you need it cut from perhaps?

How long do you let your worldgen run? I set it to 250 years because I'm impatient.

>>159378679
Some of those values aren't used by the game at all except for wrestling, and aren't applicable to armor or weapon calculations at all (bending and torsion), and compressive values are only used for pinching. Nothing that can pinch through iron will fail to pinch through bronze. Strain at yield and shear yield are entirely neglible at nearly any value, but especially at such small differences. Lower impact yield is better for blunt defense (although they're close enough for the two that the difference rarely matters in iron's favor).
Density is the really the only thing bronze has going for it in the defensive column too, but iron is close enough in density that there's only a tiny sweet spot of blunt attack momenta that bronze is going to deflect but iron won't. Small differences in shear fracture are relevant more often, as there are something like twice as many edged melee weapons in the game, and shear fracture ratios receives a hefty multiplier in the calc to determine penetration that magnifies differences between the armor and weapon.
Or put more simply, iron armor and bronze armor have a very similar likelihood to deflect a blunt attack from either a bronze or iron weapon. But iron is a good deal more likely than bronze to stop an edged attack from an iron weapon, and a much more likely to stop an edged attack from a bronze weapon.

>>159383410
Around 100 years seems to be the agreed upon sweet spot for everything that isn't a world full of necromancers. It's enough time for wars to start and develop without too many civs fizzling out.

>>159384243
Hmmm, I'm not as sure that the bending and torsion aren't important with armor damage and such now, and I thought compressive applied to force transfer but testing didn't really hit on those values and was before the transfer/damage changes anyways.

Mostly I just meant that stuff swinging copper/silver/flesh is going to prefer an iron covered target over bronze.

It's weird because bronze shouldn't really be that much heavier on a weapon to weapon comparison, and the flexibility of bronze isn't represented in game at all. Iron is a lot more brittle than the values in the raws suggest.

http://www.bronze-age-swords.com/intro.htm

It's easier to work with, doesn't rust the instant you look away, and only lost out due to the rarity of tin. It wasn't until steel that we obsoleted bronze.

>>159355865
any game breaking bugs about the latest version? anything i should know about i have not played since tavern arc

>>159386842
I don't know about game breaking, but it's certainly very annoying: traveling armies in adventure mode will pretty much always be asleep forever, so there's basically no actual conflict between civs past world gen. Armies can still reach you in fort mode, but if you try to intercept any as an adventurer you'll find that there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. It's so bad that you can sometimes find whole armies in tents in the middle of rivers which will drown when you pass them by.

Actually it feels like world activation in general is just a buggy mess. It still doesn't feel like the world changes much after world gen because half the shit that changes stuff is completely broken.

Can I use DFhack to find an NPC in adventure mode? I can't find them in the game itself and I'm unable to ask about them.

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>>159373134
>Building a fort in dirt is normal

>>159389084
Rock is just large dirt.
Dirt is tiny microscopic rock.

do you always have to build two stairs next to eachother? it wont like "acknowledge" my designation if I dont have two.

>>159387524
I have been incredibly incensed about this when I first noticed it.

Do y'all think it will be fixed by the next update?

>>159390208
What the fuck are you even talking about.
Are you making sure your designations are accessible?

>>159386082
Ah, you know I didn't even consider the new(ish) force translation mechanics. I was mostly expounding on ancient material property research. That's a fair point, and I don't know what values are used by those calcs, or even which layers and objects have the calcs applied to them. If any research has been done on the subject I haven't seen it, but that certainly looks like a place that Toady would apply some of the underused material properties.

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>>159387524
They don't respond right when you're around them but they siege towns and ruin shit and impale bodies on pikes. I've seen sites founded, conquered, sacked, and more all while playing adventurer mode and building campsites.

>>159392730
Well that's a relief.

Still damn annoying when all I want to be is a roaming mercenary jumping into pre-existing conflicts.

>>159390481
like select build down stair, press enter. nothing happens. select build stair, press enter then press up then enter again, and it builds them.

second question, my hunter ran out of ammo but isnt using any of the 12 stacks i have sitting on the top floor what gives

>>159393730
How do i stop my dwarves from auto-filling a stone stock pile from shit theyve mined way in the depths. if its full they leave it, but its not.

>>159395102
By not making a stone stockpile. They're pointless wastes of dwarfpower.

>>159396557
>>159395102
this, if you want stone concentrated in a single area
>set single tile dump zone
>designate stones for dumping
>all the stone is piled in a single tile and you can deactivate it without deleting it

>>159395102
>>159396557
Or you can set it to accept from links only. You could also set it not to accept the types of stone which are being mined way in the depths, but I find fiddling with that annoying.

>>159366364
I hope so anon, I hope so.

>>159380896
>2 * w_size * wIY > A * a_density
>If this test fails the blunt attack will be deflected. But, impact yields are typically at least 10 times larger than density values for the actual metals available, so this step is routinely passed by most weapons regardless of relative materials.

Armor is all about turning edged attacks into blunt attacks, which strongly relies upon the weapon material and armor material in which Adamantine > Steel > Iron > Bronze > Copper > Silver > Everything else holds true, and then its second job of being rigid armor ie. the choice of Breastplates and not just chain shirts, to absorb the force of blunt attacks.

Also, it's a disadvantage to fight in armor when you're poorly trained in armor because of the speed penalties.

>>159399324
Hmmm, I can't recall the armor yield not mattering, I'll have to check through the thread later.

I embarked on a cold biome and the river hasn't unfrozen even though its summer.

Is there anyway to fix this using dfhack? does it get warmer in autumn?

>>159400369
seems like you fell for the "turn off temperature" meme

if you turn temperature off, ice will NEVER thaw

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>manager conditions can check the amount of aardvark blood you have but not sweetpods

>>159399619
Armor yield matters down the line in checks.

>>159400369
try, uh, making the squares in-doors? It's been a long time since I've messed with temp of objects and the ways you could change them. How far below 0 C is the ice?

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>>159403341
:giggle:

I'll tell you how but only if you post more marcille

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>>159403752
commence the spoonfeeding

>>159403798
item type: Plants
Material type: Dwarven syrup

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>>159403861

Thanks, never would have figured that out in a million years

How fucked am I? I embarked on a volcano but I haven't found anything metal wise except for Cassiterite and Gold. Only weapons and armor is stuff I got from caravans and obsidian short swords. I'm also about to be at war with the elves because of course I am.

>>159404685
Volcanoes will do that. They rarely if ever have serviceable metals.

Use magma for defense. (Traps, etc. are okay too) It's the only way until you can get some goblinite or better trade from caravans.

>>159403535
>try, uh, making the squares in-doors?
I think it's aboveground/subterranean that determines whether a tile has the fixed underground temp or the ambient biome temp. I'm not certain of that, but I do know that simply building a roof over ice won't cause it to melt.

>>159403535
its 1 degree below.

Its weird, its raining but the tempature is still below freezing. Tempature is definitely on btw.

>>159400369
If the biome is cold enough, ice will simply never melt. Dig down and try to find water in the caverns.
Or dig down and build a 150-level pump stack to bring magma to the surface to heat up the river. That works too.

>>159405827
I'm not going to do that.

The biome read cold, not freezing, so it should thaw. If its not that means something is wrong.

>>159404685
Elves have wooden armor and weapons, so that shouldn't be much of an issue equipment wise. Just keep buying weapons and armor, and ask the liaison to bring more of them. The quality will be poor, but they should still serve. That gold means you can buy as much stuff as you want. Once you start getting goblin sieges, melt down the metal gear they have.

>>159404979
>They rarely if ever have serviceable metals.
That's not true. Hematite can be in igneous extrusive layers. Igneous intrusive layers almost always have tetrahedrite, and granite (the most common igneous intrusive) can have cassiterite, which gets you bronze. Both often have galena if you want silver for blunt weapons.
You stand a better chance of finding iron and steel fixins in sedimentary layers, but military-grade metals aren't very rare in other kinds of stone layer except metamorphic, which can only have galena.

>>159405960
I have had rivers that unfroze one year, then remained frozen for several years, and then froze again.

My favorite was actually a waterfall of 10 z-levels, and the low-ground river would freeze during the winter. This ice would cause a build up of water as a natural dam, expanding the ice wall until a lake would form between the mountain said and the large ice dam for 7 months of the year. One year came and after the initial low-ground freeze, the entire river froze, and nothing unfroze until years later.

Another time I embarked upon a glacier. I dug down into the ice to build my fort and find some rock. Two summers in, suddenly the whole glacier melts, slicing my standing rectangular fortress into two, diagonally from the two farthest corners. The falling dwarves and buildings crashed into the water below. Most died instantly, everybody else drowned later. In the lowest levels I had a food stockpile in the rock, a lone dwarf remained trapped beneath the freezing waters. With food and drink and a single cat, but no pick, no stone, and no escape, I left wondering what to do.

Sorry it wasn't supposed to be story time. Basically what I'm saying is that temperature changes can happen suddenly and I've had experience where they change from year to year.

>>159406142
you are extremely lucky if you find the components for steel on the same embark as a volcano.

>>159406602
You didn't say steel, you said serviceable metals.
Regardless, hematite in obsidian, rhyolite or andesite layers isn't terribly uncommon, and I can't remember the last time I saw an embark thay didn't have at least some marble. All you're missing is coal, which can be replaced by wood. You're not going to be tripping over iron ores on most volcanos like you would on many sedimentary embarks, but it's certainly not rare to find enough for a modest steel industry.

>>159393730
Nigga
First off, try not to mix terminology. [b]uild and [d]esignate operate on different rules.
All designations work on a two-point rectangle method.
You double tap enter because you need to set both corners of the rectangle. Do you not remember setting mining designations for a hallway or room? It's in the same menu. It works the same way.

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>>159406142
If I'm not mistaken, malachite, which is a copper ore, can be found in marble, which is a metamorphic stone.

>>159378458
I like these ideas. I will try and hopefully not flood my fort

Is there any reason why my haulers have 'No Job' when there's a shitton of stone, clothes, dead bodies and wood lying in my fort?

>>159409021
Are your current stockpiles full? Try dumping what you want moved then reclaim it.

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Idea:

Every time a creature walks over a prone creature, there should be a risk that the prone creature gets trampled. The damage caused should depend on the size of both creatures. For example, if the prone creature is larger than the standing creature, there will be less damage, or even no damage at all. If the prone creature is smaller, the damage will be greater.

This will encourage players to dig out wider corridors and assign multiple temples and taverns, in order to prevent deadly stampedes.

I will also encourage players to separate livestock from gatherings of people, and possibly also keep people out of livestock enclosures, unless they have business there.

>>159409349
Most of them are full, but I have one big stockpile that allows pretty much everything that serves as a buffer and it's almost empty. They are dumping the items, but they aren't hauling them once I reclaim them.

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>>159406142
>metamorphic
Marble can have malachite.

>>159409359
Not a bad idea, actually. It would certainly give our doctors some training or at least avoid rust.

>>159409989
check the settings of the stockpile. it might be set to only take things from certain locations rather than anywhere.

>>159409989
this is the most common kind of question and honestly there are a ton of reasons why they aren't.
>Labor enabled
>[O]rders settings
>burrow restrictions
>forbidden items
>stockpile settings, tons and tons of things here
>pathing, both to the item and to the stockpile

and more, those are just off the top of my head. I've been playing for years and just recently I couldn't understand why my dwarves were ignoring everything but the meat from my butcher shop, no matter what kind of bone stockpile I had they just wouldn't store the bones for the inevitable moody dwarf.

turns out I had forgotten about the [o]rders [r]efuse [o]"dwarves ignore refuse from outside", I had channeled a 1 tile skylight over the butchershop much earlier to prevent miasma if the butchershop was ever overloaded.

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>>159410451
Here's my stockpile settings and some other shit.

>>159410562
The labors are enabled, everything seems in order (heh), there are no restrictions set, no forbidden items, the stockpile accepts everything except for refuse and corpses, pathing seems fine, because SOME haulers actually do their job.


Everything worked just fine until some titan attacked and killed half of my population. But all of the haulers feel fine and it's been like a year now since that happened.

Thanks for the help tho.

>>159410290
That's my new rockfu

>>159411771
it's a mineral

>>159410891
>w: Max wheelbarrow - 1
there's your problem. I told you there are a ton of reasons why this stuff happens.

Once that number is not 0, the stockpile will only collect via a wheelbarrow haul job(different from a normal haul job in that he'll have a plan to pick up the wheelbarrow, then pick up multiple items, then return, instead of just going to an item and bringing it to the stockpile by hand), limited by the number of wheelbarrows assigned.

Therefore, with only 1 wheelbarrow, there's only 1 dwarf performing a stockpile collection haul for that stockpile at a time, each time with a wheelbarrow.

btw herbleglerble is improving, slowly, only had a little bit of time to play.

>>159410891
have you tried making a fortress that doesn't have retarded stockpile systems

>>159411875
Thanks man, that's probably it.

>>159411954
pls

>>159360601
I usually allow them to use whatever. I haven't really had much trouble with sieges in the newest version, so I like the fact that they choose their own weapons. Adds flavor.

>>159411954
hay man, don't knock
well managed stockpiles are good stuff, specifically for controlling workshop material usage.
EX: I want dimple dye from my dimple cups but I don't want to mill my cave wheat into dwarven wheat flour, I want that turned into beer only. There's no way to assign material modifiers on MILL PLANT jobs, but by creating a dimple cup stockpile and a cloth bag stockpile and link them to give to the quern, I can make it happen.

If I didn't always abuse quantum stockpiles, minecarts, and the fact that workshops hold a ton of stuff without the need of bins/barrels in a 3x3 area and that works perfectly well enough with high throughput, I'd be using a stockpile system just like his, probably.

>>159412147
this game has dyes and flour??? why would you ever need them anyway? does it make furnace operators melt shit faster? or maybe increases armorsmith's chance to craft masterwork items? why the fuck would you need them??

>mead has beverage value of 1, the lowest next to sewer brew and swamp whiskey
>mead arguably takes the most work

well mead does suck, but still

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>>159412356
>not going full dwarven masterchef
>making the most fantastic meals out of everything and anything

>>159412356
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Dye

Purely aesthetic. Can you tolerate that the game has features not directly involved in making the metal industry's output as effective as possible? Calm down, it's okay to have comfy things that just look good.

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>>159412356
>he doesn't dye cloth

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>>159412619
I don't even use kitchens, I just buy leaves from the caravans and feed them directly. dwarves don't care.
>>159412646
this is what my fort looks like. do you think I care about useless aesthetics?
>>159412747
why does italian language sound like a guy who's trying to lure someone into a van and rape him?

>>159412356
I enjoy having tens of thousands worth of dwarf bucks being worn just in non-adamantine clothing. Masterfully died anything adds 240 dwarfbucks.

>>159412863
playing DF must feel so rewarding for you

plump

>>159413569
this is what happens when you realize that nothing in dwarf fortress matters except making steel armor

>>159409359
problem of this is that space in tiles will get reworked eventually. Its the same as the guy that wanted a details menu on kitchens, when they are just a placeholder for future updates
I actually like it, dont get me wrong, it syncs really good with the whole mountainering and tumbling that two anons posted a while back
It would be really good to trip over stuff in the ground too, but it must be well thought in general for it to work

>>159414002
>Urist, what is best in life?
>To smelt your iron ores, see the flux stone before you, and hear the lamentations of the elven.

>>159414364
>irons ores
>flux stone
I think you mean the steel leggings and giant axe blades.

>>159412560
>mead does suck
end yourself, you tasteless mofo
>>159412356
Placeholder for future actual cooking
>>159412863
Cant you really answer yourself about the italians?

>>159414450
(It didn't work with the quote as well, I needed to match the cadence of "enemies" and "them driven", hence "iron ores" and "the flux stone" with the implication that the elves lament is due to lots of charcoal production)

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>>159355865
I just started one game in adventure mod as human and whole hamlet started massacring goblin/dorf/elf bards that were present there. Is it normal interaction between humans and other races?

>>159415068
also just noticed that soldiers started to hunt down all bards(regardless of race) that escaped hamlet and finishing them off

>>159415068
Placeholder for future actual-prejuice-based racism
Theres a fixed chance that each race will start pogroms against other races each year, you just happened to face one

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>>159412356
Dyeing clothes does technically make most working dwarves work faster and the like because it boosts the value of the item which boosts the mood of the dwarf and higher morale results in higher productivity. Flour and syrup and such are mostly only good for trade or as something else to toss into kitchen foods because prepared meals also give huge morale boosts. Yes, raw leaves and plump helmets aren't going to hurt morale, but they're not going to boost it.
Function without form is becoming of ogres and trolls, form without function is becoming of elves, a balance of form and function is worthy of being called dwarven. Humans and goblins envy what is dwarven-made because they too value form and function, but aren't nearly as gifted at accomplishing the balance. From the sounds of things, you're more suited to caring for ogres than taskmaster of dwarves.

>>159415869
I'd be glad to play as a race of actually intelligent creatures who don't run away in fear when they see a fucking parrot

>>159418178
What is Yare Yare Daze?

>go to save game
>as soon as I press save the game crashes
>lose 30 minutes of intensive work, not idling

Fuck this shit, I'm gonna go play Rimworld.

>>159418313
Anime reference that only cool kids will understand.

>>159418178
some things characters say during battle are really anime tier banter

real time dialogues were a success

>>159418313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWDAw2nsIjw

>>159418947
Sorry I don't watch mangas.

>>159418737
eh, they are pretty good, but I would like that you could talk and do stuff at the same time
But I mean the same about doing multi-atacks at the same time, so I dunno
You know, yo choose what you wanna say, and while you atack, you automatically comment.
That's why you cant talk in most close-combat fights

>>159415869
Inaccurate.
Wearing a valuable item only boosts a dwarf's mood once when they put it on the first time, and then only for dwarves who personally value extravagance. Afterwards there's no mood effect from worn items until they start to become XXworn itemsXX.
Food only gives a happy thought if it's a preferred food, no matter its value. Otherwise it gives no thought at all until a dwarf has gone too long without a preferred food, after which they get an effectively permanent negative focus modifier and recurring negative thoughts.

>>159420997
I agree. This seems to be the case for the NPCs. They always seem to move/attack and talk at the same time. It's pretty strange that the PC can't do it.

>>159420997
>doing multi-atacks at the same time
You actually can do that, although it hurts your hit chance.

>>159418316
for whatever reason, I can never "quit" my game. I can save and go to menu, but when I quit out of the client, it freezes and I have to force close it.

This game is a solo project by a turbo autist. It's going to have issues

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How can the humans possibly have built the monumental outdoor tombs, when they themselves live in earthern floored wood houses?

>>159421335
Yeah, all the actions time needs a rehaul
When the conversation/psychology arc hits, I want to be able to maintain a deep conversation with a chick while we walk around the beach, and thats pretty hard to my roleplay If I have to stop and say a complete phrase each time I wanna say something
If you want a less gay example, Imagine giving orthers to your brother in arms while you both ride horses, escaping from some bandits. If you want to talk and you are sprinting, you stay completely still to say so, which is stupid
>>159424523
The gods will it

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Two questions for the lot of you:

>Which are your three favourite tilesets?

>Which three tilesets do you hate the most?

>>159426581
I have only used Obsidian since I started playing DF

>>159424523
Not sure if serious...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques

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>>159428134
>believing the j****h lies

>>159426581
taffer without pissfilter

>>159426581
Obsidian and Spacefox

Phobeus and Ironhand.

>>159426581
I don't use tile sets because I'm not casual filth

>>159429907
You're a big guy

>>159426581
>Favorite
>Taffer
>Wanderlust
>Spacefox

Don't remember the ones I hate

>>159429907
Damn I wish I was that cool.

>>159429907
r u a linux user

Because, IIRC, that's the only way to play in text mode. Otherwise, you're using a tileset.

>>159431063
Nah, you can use a terminal emulator on just about any OS. Maybe not on mobile OSs (I don't know how that would even work), but I haven't looked.

>>159426581
Taffer, Myne, Duerer

Phoebus, Ironhand, Spacefox
Also, special mention for Meph's new indecipherable shitshow

>>159426581
Dungeon, Spacefox

Obsidian, Ironhand

>>159426581
>not using the original ASCII you scrub

>>159433129
>calls others scrub
>doesn't use correct terminology

>>159433398
>not knowing what ASCII is

>>159433902
>not knowing that it's not ASCII but IBM CP437

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>>159433902
>>159433129

>>159426581
Phoebus

I've only used Phoebus

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note: putting a well in a training room is not a good idea

>>159426581
>Which are your three favourite tilesets?
Any with square ASCII
Which three tilesets do you hate the most?
Rectangular ASCII

How does an artifact copper warhammer compare to, say, a silver one of medium quality?

>>159435034
I ask this as someone who never bitches about nor derides others for their cosmetic choices:
Why in Armok's name would you use that optical abortion of a tileset? What tileset is that, even? I mean, fuck, I've seen some ugly graphics, but that one really takes the *cat tallow biscuit*.

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>>159435816
>Which three tilesets do you hate the most?
>Rectangular ASCII
I want to punch your lights out, squarefag.

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I dont see the option to carve bones in adventure mode i have a large copper dagger in my left hand and horse bones in my right how do i carve

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I dont see the option to carve bones in adventure mode i have a large copper dagger in my left hand and horse bones in my right how do i carve. Is there a button i need to press from this screen?

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>>159433129
>using the original curses instead of the hq ones like a newfag
It's like you hate your eyes.

>>159439363
first clean your monitor

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Why aren't you fags playing an objectively superior game?

>>159441158
I know this is bait but
>no adventure mode
>no history gen
>superior

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>>159441158
>no world simulation
>2d world
>no adv mode
>no 4chan general

When can we be expected to actually fight armies in adventure mode?

>>159441158
Rimworld does a lot of things better, including the user interface and arguably combat but at the core it's nothing but a Sims simulation in which you have to manage a bunch of retarded drama-queens.

It feels like playing Tamagochi for grown-ups.


At least Dwarfs aren't gigantic needy faggots.

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Haven't played since 2014, do all the utilities/tilesets in the starter pack work with the newest version of the game?

>>159443119
the most current version is 43.05, but the latest LNP is 43.03

>>159442458
>dwarves aren't needy

>>159443293
Dwarfs don't go insane because they sleep in a 10C room with a wool parka on.

Dwarfs don't go outside during a cold snap night stripping themselves because they keep they're fags who keep hitting on a straight dude.

etc etc etc

>>159430960
You could be, just stop using tilesets and read the matrix

Does anyone ITT use workflow? Does anyone know the amount of limits I can have queued before my game crashes?

I'm on 43.03 and installed the 4gb client patch but it hasn't helped for crashing

>>159443848
But my mom doesn't let me

>>159442458
>you have to manage a bunch of retarded drama-queens.

This is what made me stop playing. I don't play DF for the mood micro management.

And fuck the lack of means to produce or farm something as essential as steel. Everything in the game revolves around Steel and Components and the only way to get enough is to wait for the RNG drops and RNG merchants. It's really frustrating.

>>159443854
bump for halp

Why do wars never seem to happen after the first 20 years of playing a world?

>>159441158
I've played it for two hours. There's no reason to continue playing as I've already experienced all it has to offer

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>embark!
>giant kea drags 4/7 dwarves into the trees
fuck birds for life

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>>159448434
>giant keas
When the multitile creature and moving fortress parts update hits, we'll see them steal entire buildings.

>>159449174
stairs won't get me out of that jam

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>>159448434
Forget giant elephants, GCS, FBs, and clowns, these little assholes are literally the worst creature in the game.

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>>159449174
we need to think bigger

>>159450223
Well, the myth release has confirmed giant creatures that turn into continents when they die. Maybe some distant release arc actually adds entire continents made up by living creatures.

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>This is the third bone weapon artifact made at my fort.

F*ck the sheriff!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBdvRCkCNfo

>>159452204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HypeAxE3s_o
>that part where they kick the bottles

>>159435864
It's worse because quality doesn't matter for blunt attacks and warhammers have exclusively blunt attacks.

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>>159451035
delete your bones

>>159446562
Use the latest version of DF. It has a new manager system similar to workflow and it is 64bit so no 4gb patch required.

How can I use DFhack to find the specific location of someone in a site, if that's possible? They aren't showing up in the list of people I can ask about, even though my character has heard their name multiple times.

>>159456025
thanks

Animal caretakers when.

>>159273154

i totally missed that reply from the last thread! it was an interesting talk about fps.

anyway, i'm not trying to argue that hundres of dwarves aren't an fps hit, i just think thousands of items with varying lists of information associated are the bigger problem. i actually always thought that because dwarf fortress' fps scale with pretty much only memory speed it was a clear indicator of that, but there's actually no reason why pathing wouldn't use a lot of memory too. i remember toady said there are a lot of huge optimizations needed/possible for pathfinding that he hasn't done yet, and also that there are a bunch of optimizations are already in place, and one of them seems to be some sort of caching of pathfinding calculations, which i guess isn't surprising at all, but it hadn't occured to me that pathfinding could hammer fps. i've only read about it in vague forum posts so i can't adequately describe it, but basically df saves routes instead of continously calculating them anew, which i guess isn't surprising at all, but it does explain a few things like the old bug about fps dropping drastically when you channel out the ground level of your embark, or the huge fps drop with the clowncar, or migrants having to path in. i don't have good understanding how dwarf fortress was built at all, but it's been conveyed to me that df's design naturally leads to it accessing the cache pretty much constantly, that being the bottle neck, and the way it utilizes hardware seems to support that. i guess i actually assumed it was a piece of actual community information, like something checked it out with a debugger or something, but i don't see why it wouldn't be true.

>>159441970
2/4 m8

>>159450223
I even asked Toady about multi-tile creatures in the FoF thread of this month, but he remained a bit reticent
he even told me '' we are not aiming for modeling in the game'' when I asked him if big enough normal creatures would ocupy various tiles, with a single body part being separated in several tiles
>>159459309
You have better chances to be happy if you wish for boats instead

>>159460334
the thing all the fps-death-forts seem to have in common isn't a large population, it's just a long lifespan with lots of trading and items of things. i feel like having 500 dwarves with a central 3x3 staircase through all open caverns with >10fps directly clashes with the pathfinding meme, like it just comes from the initial uncached pathing as well as large designations eating fps. i had very stable fps after the last migrants arrived, even after mining out and revealing a whole lot more tiles, but while the designations where in place it was super slow, much much slower than the equivalent in hauling jobs or station orders. but i don't conceptually understand how a few more units walking known paths/routes could ever impact fps more than a constantly-referenced list of items exceeding the size of cpu cache and memory registers, but i'd like to know more.

When will Golem Crafting be introduced?

seems rather dorfish and stoney

>>159461175
Masterwork has it I think.

are toads vermin? i have a lot of giant toads and i want to tame and pasture them among the waterfalls of my fortress, where all the dwarves walk through. are they gonna be disgusted by all the giant vermin or wiill they be cool with it?

>>159461279

No way

Guess im trying MW for the first time then

>>159461780
Yeah you use this to get one I think. Never tried it myself but I know they're in there.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Masterwork:Temple_of_Armok

>>159461610

Would you be happy walking past a waterfall filled with giant man eating toads that can jump 20 feet and swallow a man whole

trained by a self declared beast trainer who spend the majority of his time getting drunk and moody

>Masterwork adds a weapon called the Javelin Thrower.
>Its basically a crossbow but for spears.

It'll probably be really OP but I want one.

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Using Obsidian. Which one of these is male?

>>159466073
amulet is female, bag is male. If you forget it again in the future, check out
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Tilesets

and search for male/female, then check what other meanings those tiles have.
Or enable True Type with F12

>>159462072
>masterwork has it's own articles on the wiki
what the fuck is this bullshit?

>>159467515
Pretty much every major mod does.

do livestock still inbreed?

>>159468162
I hope so

>>159461175
It more human-like considering it's Jew folklore and the its made out of clay. That'd be a cool feature though.

Maybe with the magic update?

>>159355865

How hard is it to get into this? Downloading right now because I heard that mothers may randomly beat their children to death and that got me curious as to how much shit you can do in this game.

What's the gameplay even like?

Why can't I save templates for adventurer creation?

T o a d y w h e n

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>all 4 of my companions cripple each other in a drunken brawl instead of helping me build my sweet desert tavern

>>159472903
u control dorfs

u make fort

or

u are adventurer

u adventure

>>159473689
How do you even make booze/food in adventure mode?

>>159475149

Instructions unclear, got dick stuck in own ass.

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>>159472903
If you're stupid or lazy then it's pretty hard to ert into. If you're even moderately clever and read the wiki it's easy. I haven't seen a mother beat her own baby to death in years, things like that were usually the result of a buggy unintentional loss condition.
There are two playable game modes. One is primarily a city building/resource management game, the other is primarily a roguelike exploration game. Those descriptions are both gross oversimplifications, but you'll figure it out.

Pic related is kinda true, but mostly a meme. Unless you're dumb and lazy.

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>>159472903
>>159476036
Oh, and the UI will make you want to shoot yourself in the mouth. Twice. It's not so bad once you get used to it, though. Ignore anyone who insists that you need 3rd party utilities to play, they're suggesting that you hobble yourself before you've even learned to walk. There's nothing wrong with using labor managers and such, but if you're going to you should at least know why you're using them, and be able to play without them so that you aren't lagging behind updates.

>>159472903
It's not playable if you just download the vanilla game and launch it.

This is the video you need to watch first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSwxQYrSB0

It should be in the OP to be honest.

Has anyone else encountered that bug where creatures with [NOEXERT] get tired while training in Fortress mode and can never not be tired from that moment forward? Or did I just fuck something up in the raws?

>>159476036
>tfw dumb and lazy
>tfw I'll never play fortress mode

>>159477530
please leave this thread and then kill yourself immediately

>>159477530
>I am a retard, please fuck my mouth
LNP is a bad, bad meme.

>>159478519
>>159479093
Wow you guys are so cool and hardcore, I wish I was part of that secret club of hardcore gamers.

>>159479342
Ignore them, they're faggots

>>159479342
no you're just straight up retarded

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>it's an "arguing about tilesets" episode

>>159476775

Having a blast, spawned in with my demigod goblin, saw a human dancer, stabbed him in the neck and head, then made him a triple paraplegic before he bled to death.

So, will the local law enforcement kick my ass now or can I hide the body?

>>159472051
Tolkien dwarves are literally based on Jews, so of course the golems should be for dwarves.

>>159479342
step 1: download the latest version on Bay12
step 2: click Dwarf Fortress.exe

Wow, if only there was a simple 2 step process to join that secret club of harcore gamers.

>>159480093
Unless they saw it, no.

>>159481932

Nice, he dropped some gold, silver and copper coins, but I could only pocket the copper ones, he insists on holding the gold and silver in one hand each, I have room in my inventory for it. But how do I make him put it in his inventory?

>>159480093
Soldiers loyal to the ruling faction of wherever you spawned MIGHT identify you as a criminal and start a fight, but they usually won't. You can hide the body, a corpse is an item like anything else. If no one sees it and you don't tell anyone you killed the dancer, then rumors related to it won't spread and you won't gain a reputation as a murderer. How much information npcs get from seeing a corpse is kind of fuzzy; just seeing might let them know that you were the killer, or at least enable them to tell stories about the event that will spread the information that you were the killer even if they didn't know that before they told the story. Information transfer, faction hostility, and reputation are all works in progress and behave oddly sometimes.

/dfg/ has a regular poster usually called tileset anon (on account of the distinctive self-made tileset he plays with) who plays adv mode almost exclusively and is as close as we have to an expert on the minutiae of reputation and information exchange. Hopefully he'll see these posts and give a better answer to your questions.

>>159482746
>plays adv mode almost exclusively

I was wondering if other people did this.

>>159482110
(p)ut it in a container. Use this:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Adventure_mode_quick_reference

>>159476775
What third party programs are you talking about? I understand that for some games relying on 3rd party stuff will lead to some people never learning the fundamentals, but I can't think of anything like that for dwarf fortress.

>>159483289
Really just dwarf the rapist/manipulator. I guess legends viewer kind of counts too, but not being able to navigate legends isn't likely to be much of a barrier the way being unable to manage your dwarves' labors is.

>>159483064

Thanks, this game is a lot of fun, intense fights and everything, I might like it!

>>159483715
therapist would lead to 5 seconds of google to figure out vpl.

>>159483921
And yet after each update we're inundated with days, weeks, or months of "THERAPIST WHEN" posts and people lamenting that they can't play without it. Every other thread there's an autistic shitfit of people arguing about whether it's necessary to play with more than x number of dwarves, or whether an anon whose never played without should have recommended it to a new player, etc. There are people in this thread right now who refuse to update DF until the rapist is updated.

>>159484871
There's a difference between not knowing how and not wanting to play the game with the shitty default labor interface. This is like saying you should sleep under a bridge because once you sleep in a house you won't want to go back to being homeless.

>>159483715
Dwarf labors aren't hard to learn, they're just fucking tedious to go through.

>>159485172
Sure there's a difference. I'm mostly talking about people of the former variety, though people of the latter variety are scrubs who should improve.

>>159485172
There is a dfhack version functional enough to use the manipulator interface which is in-game and doesn't have stupid sideways text.

>>159486627
That's what I use, it's also updated to the current version. However, I wouldn't bother updating until one of those did too unless it was a truly significant update.
>>159486546
>having self esteem issues

>>159486546
Eh, roughing it is fun from time to time but having an enclosed home is quite nice when the weather is bad.

>>159484871
DF is unplayable without therapist. It should be part of the game.

Can I spawn a backback with DFhack?

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>>159488432
Don't be the meme, anon.

>>159408643
Post progress.

elkposter, finish the quest.
I've been edging for like 3 days now.

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>mod adds 30+ creatures
>no documentation or just lists the names so you have to open up the raws every time you see a new creature to asses it's threat level
fucking shit is it so hard to tell people what your shitty mod does?

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Does a temple have to be dedicated to a particular god for toppling statues in it to do anything?

I'm almost done with the first year of my fort.

I have 20 dorfs, 10 full suits of steel mail, 5 steel axes and 5 silver hammers, an airlock, trade depot, 2 wells, a reservoir, 5 farms, and 20 beds and a ton of food and drinks.

who wants to play my fort in legacy?

Can you only become a hearthperson once you earn a title?

>>159498674
The two things aren't related.

Does anyone here actually catch wild animals with cage traps?

>>159498970
Oh, huh. For some reason the option to be a "lieutenant" doesn't show up for me, but it has before.

>>159499556
Not personally, but someone last thread talked about catching crundles and elkbirds.

>>159500651
>"lieutenant"
That's just for bandits.

So I disabled autolabor because I needed (my starting 7) dwarves to do more work, but now I get console spammed about my animals being too injured to fish. What the hell is wrong?

>>159503765
dunno

I actually use the newest dfhack's Labormanager for the first year. I noticed it performs better at getting jobs down quickly. I switch to autolaborer later because it allows me to isolate certain industries with quality craftsmanship as skilled dwarves and room for excess starts to emerge. In the end I eventually bunker up dwarves to their own sector with burrows until nothing but a small group of hauler dwarves are left to autolabor.

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>>159499556
Yeah.

>>159504170
how do you know which one square theyre gonna step on? Do you place a giant line of traps or something?

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>>159504170
More than I can dispose of in any reasonable manner.

>>159503438
Must have been a bug then. Odd.

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>>159504301
But I've done a whole lot worse.

>>159504245
Just use natural chokepoints (tree lines, water features, etc). Pay attention to where creatures enter the map and where they're likely to wander, and use rows instead of single traps. For caverns that's even easier because there are tons of natural choke points, and you can catch a lot of creatures just by cage trapping your cavern entrance. You can use cheap furniture to bait building destroyers.

>>159504245
Not him, but more or less. Making chokepoints with walls helps the odds, but you can still get the frustrating times where the first cave dragon you've seen in years wanders around the edge of the map for the better part of an in-game year before wandering away again.

My legacy fort thread is up and running on Bay12 Forums

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161410.msg7251036#msg7251036

>>159504860
It's called a succession fort, not a legacy fort.

>>159506329
I'll call it whatever I damn well please.

>>159506484
Everyone is laughing at you.

>>159506853
Everyone except your mom, whos too busy choking on my dick.

>>159507017
Sick burn brah. Tell her I said hello.

>>159507629
shes too busy being spitroasted by neegaroni

All right so the ruler of my town just made me a lieutenant, which doesn't make sense since that's a bandit ranking. So I guess this town is ruled by an organized mafia then? Or its a bug.

>>159509136
Means there are criminals in charge of the town, yes.

>>159509173
Oh geeze I guess I stumbled into quite the predicament then.

>>159509282

Fortunately, there's an easy way to get out of it: kill'em all!

>>159510136
But I already like killed several people because I thought they were the bandits and they told me too. I think I'm too far in to back out now plus it'd be impolite.

>>159510442

So, you just have to kill a whole lotta bandits for the good townsfolk to forgive you ...

Go forth, my son, and enjoy the righteous slaughter of the wicked and immoral, for the greater glory of our lord and saviour, Armok.

Two questions:
1. How do I prioritize butchering a forgotten beast?
2. Is there a way to let dwarves automatically resume suspended tasks once the problem why it was suspended is resolved? I'm trying to build a large tower and it's getting kinda annoying to manually un-suspend every second floor tile or wall.

>>159511256
for forgotten beasts I just build a new butcher workshop next to the corpse, they can be very heavy and bleed syndromes.

Man, farming zombies (in Necromancer Towers) for experience is FUN! (once you get the basics, anyway)

Just built my first tavern.Now the dwarves can't stop bullshiting around. Are there any advantages to taverns except for keeping dwarves occupied?

>>159512267
Mercenaries and shit will show up and attempt to join your fort.

>>159512267
If you have a bunch of dwarves fucking off in your tavern it's your fault. All of those green tavern activities you see in the units list are dwarves who don't have another job. If you didn't have a tavern/temple/library they would just be idle. As soon as you give them something to do they'll stop fucking off in the tavern and get to work.
Any purple jobs are dwarves satisfying their personality-based needs. Those happen when a dwarf has gone so long without doing a given activity that they've become unfocused or distracted. If a lot of your dwarves immediately took purple tavern activities then you waited way too long to make a tavern. Becoming unfocused or distracted causes dwarves to perform their jobs more poorly and become unhappy.
That's the befit of taverns, temples and libraries; they allow your dwarves to participate in activities that will improve the efficiency of your workforce and the value of your fort. They can also attract useful visitors who may petition for residence or citizenship.

>>159511769

Update: after killing over 300 human & elf zombies (including various hacked-off parts), I'm now (and for the past 1/2 an hour) locked in a legendary combat with 3 unkillable heads.

Help?
Anyone?

(inb4 just walk away)

>>159513978
Did you try pulping them? Grab yourself a silver maul and smash some pumpkins.

>>159500651
>>159503438
>>159504536
Actually, liutentant is a position used by nomadic groups in the wilderness, as well as city criminals.

The nomadic groups can be ordinary bandits, but it's also possible for a site owning entity to lose its site and thereby also be reduced to a nomadic group. This nomadic group will retain its affiliation to the civ to which it belongs, meaning that an adventurer from that civ will be able to start as a member of that group. If you do, you have the option to become a liutenant. It's NOT a bug.

>>159488432
>>159488660
Actually, it would be pretty sweet if Manipulator became part of the vanilla game. It wouldn't be out of place.

>>159514719

Welp, that'll be the option for next time - since this Tower got cleared.
I just had to walk away, and come back - they dropped like flies.

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>>159512267
>Now the dwarves can't stop bullshiting around
No you mong

Unless their activities are purple, they're only there because you didn't give them any work. Dwarves with green activities will abandon the tavern immediately when a job comes up.

Where the fuck did this meme come from?

Is there any reason to deny petitions of residence in your tavern? I've lost count of how many I've accepted and I stopped reading them for a while because there were so many. The tavern is rammed full of human bards/poets and the library is full of humans discussing muscles. I seem to have several human and goblin bowman hanging around too in my military.

>>159516903
I'm very jealous. I never get visitors. My tavern has a 6x8 dance area, 10 instruments worth over 2000 dwarfbucks apiece, the whole thing is made out of engraved silver and clear glass windows decorated with silver and gems and all the meals are steak beer and cheese. And there's a watefall at the entrance just for extra kick.

I really don't get what it takes to draw anybody in.

>that feel when your ambush room works perfectly and your pick dwarves and hammerlords bring down a bronze colossus in the third year

It's a large square room lined with windows. Each dwarven squad trains behind the windows. There is a winding 1 tile path through a series of statues in the room. The squads see anything that comes through the room through the windows and rush out to face the enemy, coming down from ramps all throughout the winding path, entrapping the enemy.

>>159517670
>no screenshot
Come on!

ok, writing a suggestion based on relationships between sentients but Im stuck
Would you say that any relationship can be grounded in:

>General opinion
>Trust
>Respect
>Fondness(emotional implication)
>Atraction(desire)

Am I missing something? All relationships, from lovers to mother and son, to death swron enemies enter this in this division, right?
pls respond, or Im gonna stop be inspired to write

2H weapons are still broken?

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>>159517289
I have no idea how I've managed to get visitors, my fort isn't particularly wealthy but I seem to get them regularly.

Maybe its to do with the worldgen/no of civs etc?

>>159517289
You should get visitors. Check if all visitors allowed to come, that should help. And dont set visitor cap too high, 10 or so will do, or youll end with hundreds of useless assholes just standing there doing nothing, killing your fps and not leaving even if you switch the tavern off an delete the area.

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>>159517753
whoops sorry

>>159362882
Warhammer if I have silver, Battle axes if I have steel or iron.

I train my hammerdwarves to also be axe dwarves in case a creature made of steel appears.

>>159522120
That's nice, I like it.

>>159518245
It's not that simple. First of all, you could say that trust, respect, etc are all components of the abstract "general opinion" as you wrote.
You're also disregarding how similar/close (genetically, culturally, geographically) two sentients are, which certainly plays its part in a relationship. In fact, I would consider that the base, with the others being modifiers of that.
Fondness, again, could be said to not be a independent factor, but instead be intermingled with respect and trust. Attraction and Fondness also influence each other, and the similarity mentioned above plays a role with both (remember also incest, which is too much similarity has a repulsive effect).

Another factor then, are cultural "roles" like father/mother/elder brother and (Jungian) archetypes which can be attributed to individuals and influence a relationship ("never had a father growing up and meets a father figure later"; "relationship with someone is strained because it reminds them of their abusive mother", etc).


In the end, the important questions are

>how does including or excluding one of these factors influence gameplay?
i.e. is it really necessary to include? Does it need to be a 1:1 implementation of reality, or does the game benefit from abstraction? And how much abstraction then?
>how does it complement existing structures?
That is to say, would your model require another complete personality rewrite with minimal improvements, or woudl just adding one value and three calculations increase gameplay depth massively?

>>159501875
This is the shit that sometimes makes me think dwarf fortress is a poorly designed game.

But it's good enough that I can see past it

>>159526464
Its more of the second type you said
I'll explain my model to you, and the reasons I came with it so you may understand better

Some weeks ago, I decided I wanted a lot more psychological depth to the game
Not because I dont think Toady opines differently, but because I feel that's the natural direction of the game, altering all new mechanics from it
I started to think of a system that would be
>easy(relatively speaking of course) to understand
>Made sense
>Didnt need to completely rewrite the game

I just felt that, while playing an adventurer, you never really get any different experience from playing one guy to another, apart from the needs system
That grew to a lot of other things, and I've been writing about it since then
I'll worry about the techical difficulties to implement this in the future

So I came with this system of ''relationship points and relationship properties'', which is used to ground all different types of relationship between sentients and sentients, or sentients and groups, etc.
I choosed this system partly because he actual relations system is really bad, and could use a lot of bettering (fixed rates of bad thoughts when somebody dies, you cant not get along with family)
With this system, when two sentients reach certain minimum in each category, they are oficially called, friends, family, or lovers, or enemies
Family gets to that minimums of trust, fondness and opinion instantaneously, abstracting being raised, but can decrease if the two family members dont get along

In my mind, each factor is independant from each other, but go close together, allowing normal and rare relationship types to exist
(You can get along with someone, but not trust him in the slightest, but in a normal relationship, both factors would grow together)

That way, general opinion gets harder to
change as you know better the person, and all factors are independant from each other and serve as pillar points for different behaviour

1/2

Recommend me some good mods for the current version, fuckbois

>>159526464
I chosed general opinion as a different factor from others because it really is just that, an average from all the others, an easy way for people to have an opinion about you without having to be emotionally implied with you

In other ways, general opinion serves as a practical number to sumarize a relationship between two people, without them needing to be 'close'(having rel. points)
Its a way of saying:''Hey, you are cool, but I wouldnt really care if you died''

Each other factor Is important in their own way, and cant really be substituted for another, thats why I choosed them
Also, I tried to minimize the number of factors for the sake of practicality
Fondness may be badly worded, this Is not my first language. But I think between every person that likes each-other, or atleast have known each other for some type, they have some bond uniting them

Anyway, modifiers based on opinions (father never there, so I hate fathers) is still planed, as well as different needs, exclusive for each age is considered

If I could work longer on this, I think I could really create something that could benefit the gamein incredible ways

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>We take personal requests for either reward as well, he he he.
What did he mean by this?

>>159531109
When will Threetoe upload all the porn stories he has written

>>159531553
Or toadys lewd crayon drawings

>>159531553
IIRC Toady said that there was a pretty big upcoming Threetoe story around the corner.

>>159512367
>>159512756
>>159515823
I redid the tavern and its working as you guys said. Cheers

>>159537364
>not The Rapist

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>>159356271
It has finally happened.

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>>159538354
It's made out of:
>charcoal for the black parts
>chestnut wood for the floor
>kaolinite blocks for the red parts
>porcelain bricks for the white parts

>>159538513
>>159538354
what a time to be alive
Im sure bote-anon will love this

>>159538354

I'm new.
Is there 3D DF?


Also, completely unrelated, I just got the title "The bejeweled sack of shame" out of nowhere.

>>159540050
>Is there 3D DF?
Yes. It's called Minecraft

>>159540050
>>159540367
DF is 3D though.

>>159540050
It's a visualizer. You make the stuff in normal DF but can then view it in 3D.

Does anyone know what the status is on DFhack? Seems like it's been quite a while.

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>>159540050
>I just got the title "The bejeweled sack of shame" out of nowhere

>>159540050
Congratulations

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>>159541620
>amin laughing at the holocaust
Uganda is my favourite meme country.

what would happen if i assigned a troll to a metal chain?

I have a male and female troll in separate cages just now...