/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

the quality of this general has really gone down hill tbqh

>>159185437
the quality of u has stayed at a consistent low though

Age of Wonders III is on sale, but the expansions are on a much shittier sale.

How is it vanilla?

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Welp I just got fucking rekt by an iltary isolationist fallen empire 50 years into my game. Time to start again.

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>>159185964
>How is it vanilla?
I had fun playing through the commonwealth campaign.
Not sure why but I never got into skirmish. Late tier units seemed a bit too dominant. Can't swarm them easily due to the small stacks.
The other campaign turned me off since I liked the previous games so honorable noble orcs didn't work for me.

>>159185841
this seems like it'd be pretty neat if the ai ever fucking built ships

I am fond of vicky

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Oh great a fallen empire right next to my borders.

Cleopatra denounced your small dick.

>Turn 65 on ebic
>Barbarians razing resources
>Have killed 4 horse archers
>7 horsemen
>its all coming from one camp

BUILD WALL.

>>159186912
Let's see how small she thinks it is when I shove it up her asp.

>>159186912
I am fond of Cleo.

>>159186912
Cleo must have had a billion STDs so I can live with this.

>>159186912

She always wars me within 3 turns of finding her.

>>159186912
>have the 3rd highest military rating
>higher than Cleo
>UR WEAK XD

>>159187097
civ 6 would've been the perfect game to reuse the Great Wall wonder ability from civ 4.

>>159187349
She managed to denounce me for being weak while I was highest in military score. I think her algorithm for that agenda counts separate units, not combined military power.

>>159186589
if they aren't isolationists then it's good. Mean they will defend your back as no one can go through

>>159187432

I mean, this is starting to get dumb. Because its horsemen, I can't even slip my settler over there to gobble up their camp to disappear it. They are literally rekting everything I have and my two warriors+archer are overwhelmed. Need to get walls for my new city I am trying to get up if it gets attacked, so Spearmen are still a distant possibility 20 turns down the line.

but right now, barbarian scum waves need to go.

>>159187637
So do you think if you massed troops at her borders she would compliment you on your giant corps before asking you to move move?

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>>159188240
Not if she gets the complete opposite of her original agenda as her secondary one :^)

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>>159186589
at least you are not like this guy over here

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Australian DLC with John Howard as a playable leader WHEN

>>159188180
They just need to tone down the barbarian spawnrate for slower games. On Standard/Quick you just build a few spearmen and the problem goes away.

>>159190373
how shitty do you have to be for barbs to be a problem

>>159190373

I am literally getting drowned in horsemen because the barbarian camp is so nearby. The scout can walk to my border and retreat back to the camp.

There should be internal CD on horde spawning.

>>159186589
>>159189084
This happens more often then it should desu.

Fallen empires should always spawn away from players.

>>159161516
What, I don't remember powerhubs having adjacency bonus

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hi, is Civ Vi good? Don't really trust big site rewievs. I really hate the artstyle, but it's Civ so gameplay >>>> all

basically should I wait 2 years for expansions?

>>159191414
you'll be dead by then so just play it now

>>159191414
>basically should I wait 2 years for expansions?
No but a patch or two and some mods would be wise. Only viable way to play 6 now is MP, and even that is plagued by balance and UI problems.

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>>159191528
why did you say that

How do I into slavery for Stellaris? Is it viable? Do I enslave every pop working food and minerals? And what do I do about the factions, the influence cost to suppress them seems pretty strong.

>>159189419
>Not Whitlam

>>159191741
slavery is fucked. all your pops fucking hate it and rebel. It's a pain in the ass.

Fucking, two leviathans hogging two systems where I want to expand, one of which instagibbed my science ship, and as if that wasn't enough I started next to an empire who was slightly advanced and bumrushed my first colony. I mean, I got it back, but still.

Patch when?

>>159193000
Well, that's fairly normal, i'd be worried if they enjoyed forced manual labor. But, is it viable overall, or to much of a pain in the ass to manage?

>>159193417
no I mean even your pops that aren't enslaved hate it, and yes, I've found it's too much of a pain to manage. You might be making a little bit more food and minerals but at the cost of global happiness which then lowers your energy and research output, plus the influence cost to manage is way too much.

What are the settings and playstyle to have the most fun with Stellaris?

Because I'm sure not finding it with anything I've tried.

How the fuck do I get rid of war weariness

It took me like 3 eras to get everyone to make peace and now Dehli has been stuck at -8 for at least 10 turns now

>>159190835
it depends on the spawning
like >>159190847 said, if you end up in a situation where a camp can see your borders they will spawn a horseman/horse archer every two turns

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>sending my patrol fleet around crushing pirates/enemas before science ships come across them
>fleet was maybe 50k strong
>come across this guy
>deal 0 damage
>had to emergency ftl
>heal up
>throw combined assault/patrol/defence fleet at it
>300k all up
>still no damage
What the fuck is this guy made of?


>>159194870
what have you tried?
I had some good fun using the separate human races mod and making all ai other human nations that after we all were forced to leave earth due to whatever event, roamed the stars in different directions to settle elsewhere, fast forward a bit and we're back to fuck each other up again on a galactic scale

So, I've heard some people say that Hyperspace Lanes have been nerfed. I've never used them -- I've been using Wormholes, but I'm getting tired of the micromanagement. Does this mean that Hyperspace Lanes aren't worth using, and I should switch over to Warp?

>>159194870
Small galaxy for comfy and preventing end game lag if you get a war in heaven with maxed AI but no advanced starts.

Fanatic spiritualist xenophobe. Use the theocratic republic and laugh as domestic problems become something other people have to deal with while you purge their filthy unclean races from the galaxy.

I currently have a -782 relations modifier with humans because I purged some of their planets out of spite, most of the galaxy hates me for said purging, and my people live in an idyllic post scarcity utopia protected by the mightiest fleet in the galaxy.

>>159195580
Yes, hyperlanes used to have the advantage of being the only FTL you could engage in a systems gravity well, they nerfed that and now it's just shit slower warp that gets fucked in the ass by random choke points.

>>159195354
Any Barbarian camp falls to a couple archers, and if they're that close, it's easy to get Archers in a defensive position near the city.

The answer to any early game aggression is always to just get more Archers. If you want to expand and horse archers are being cunts, you'll probably need a spearman or two, but if you can expand and therefore don't need production to bring out more archers, you're pretty much good to go anyway.

As a general rule, should I go out of my way to get tech boosts, or just not worry about it?

>>159196016
>but if you can expand and therefore don't need production to bring out more archers
that was a really fucking stupid sentence

>>159196210
As a generall rule - it's stupid not to, unless you a rushing a tech for this or that reason. If you are playing on lover difficulties it's not mandatory, but higher you go more important it get,s

>>159196210
You should plan around the ones you want. But pretty much everything you do will boost something, also, you can research things and stop at 60% to not waste the boost.

Some parts of the trees are literal dead-ends so you can ignore them completely.

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So in my very first Stellaris game, all of a sudden (maybe after the research of some tech or some event) a bunch of habitable planets popped up in system that I had already surveyed, and the habitability of my own planets went up to 100% from 60.

This completely flew right past my head while I was busy with other stuff, so I was wondering:

What tech or event caused this?

Covert Infiltration vs Technological Enlightenment on primitive civilizations? They appear to be Spiritualist and Militaristic, while I am Materialistic. Can I make them Materialistic?

>>159196232
Just a misplaced comma and a repeated word, really
Or you could bracket it

"but if you can expand (and therefore don't need more production to bring out more archers) you're..."

>>159195565
>300k

Did you add a zero in there or is your game just completely broken? Cus' it took me like 30-35k, max-upgraded lasers to kill it. It'll take a while, and it regenerates health, but you can definitely do it.

>>159196656
Probably a mix of passive habitability increases and/or you have a new species in your empire that prefers those planets.

>>159191414
I played two games to completion and I have no desire to play again until the game has been fixed, right now the AI is not just retarded but also insane, on top of that the UI is obnoxious and the game is hiding too much information from the player. Also Sumeria is OP. It's just hard to go from Civ v which is great, specially with mods, to Civ vi, which is not awful, it's just not great.

TLDR;
Wait until it's been patched.

>>159195794
So I should use Warp, then, if I'm tired of dealing with Wormholes?

>>159197263
Yep, hyperlanes are functionally identical to warp now except they have to follow extremely rigid paths. There's no upside to them anymore whatsoever.

>>159193000
there's no longer 100% tolerance for alien slavery under certain governments and ethos?

>>159197379
They still don't have travel time like warp does, do they?

what's good income for a planet in stellaris? i had a 124 mineral income planet, wondering if i should've screencapped it?
it wasn't even maxed out

Does anybody have some pro tips for building ships and fleets in Stellaris? Specifically which components/weapons to use. All of the guides I've found are very much outdated and obsolete.

>>159197145
Oh, nevermind. It's because it was counting robots.

Next question: how good are robots?

>>159196656
Check immigrations, mabe some illegal aliens snuck into your borders

>>159197560
robots are slaves without emotions
don't they give 80% or something additional mineral income?
put them on your mineral planets

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>tfw you just want to make space great again but the bugs are coming

Is "Integrate Subject" a guaranteed trade deal, or are there any asterisks?

Because I invested in some Fungoid-friendos and enlightened them, and now it says in about 10 years I can integrate them

Does that mean all of their stuff is 100% mine?

>>159197379
I haven't played Stellaris in ages, what did they do to my Hyperdrives?

Can you still be a complete cunt, bombarding planets all over an empire and then skedaddle as soon as a fleet shows up?

Is Stellaris a better game than Civ 6?

>>159197867
hyperlanes were so good for that shit
>the instant the enemy enters the sector you teleport out, they literally cannot reach you in time
or under times of duress
>send a sacrificial lamb to occupy the enemy while the rest of your forces finish flying away

>>159197959
Are apples better than oranges?

>>159197379
Thanks, man.

That's a shame, based on what >>159197867 is saying, it sounds like Hyperlanes were a ton of fun.

Hopefully the next patch restores what made them unique.

>>159197959
they're both pretty bad
they both have an awful/non-existent diplomacy system
they both have garbage ai that can only beat you by having vast statistical boosts
they both have ai that forces you to spec military
they're both laughably easy to win singleplayer against the ai
civ6 is more polished though

>>159197432
That's kind of mitigated by warp being able to do 1 jump instead of 8 though.

>>159197542
Would you forgive me if I linked you to some Reddit pages?

>>159197959
kek, no. Even with the broken shit that will be patched civ 6 is still better

>>159197542
lasers > all

>>159197041
>is your game just completely broken?
could be that, i'm using the starwars turbolasers mod to go with the empire ships, could be they just do no damage to it for whatever reason

>>159198249
Yeah, that's fine, unless it's the outdated Reddit one that shows up as the first result on Google.

ES2 or Stellaris?

>>159197985
>Were

Paradox, why.

>>159198457
I don't believe so.

It was written for 1.3, but I don't believe 1.3.1 did anything to ships or weaponry, did it?

>>159198489
Give your money to The Frogs for absolute haram

>>159198621
Nah, the one I'm thinking of was written back in like march and had a bunch of weird slot rules that don't apply to 1.3, so link away.

>>159198518
>>159197985
They have to change it back.

There's no reason to use Hyperlanes right now.

>>159198716
Great, here you go.

It's been helping me quite a bit, and encouraged me to focus more on Kinetics, which I'd always ignored before.

Weapons: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/591i5m/my_detailed_feedback_on_13_weapon_types_and/

Ships: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/5954ve/13_ship_roles_load_outs_and_configurations/?st=iuz6hhqb&sh=cadf159f

>>159197542
6M plasma cruisers with a destroyer screen for PD for generic purposes, for fallen empires or unbidden you're better off using massed kinetic artillery due to heavy shield tank, add a MASSIVE PD screen vs the fallen empire because they fucking love strike craft or just add a hanger on your ships with fighters it it.
Your A slots should be exclusively shield regen modules and avoid XL slots, they sound cool but they're pretty undertuned right now and lose out to the multiple L slots that they replace.

>start new game of stellaris
>do really well in the early game
>by 2300 i am the biggest empire in the galaxy
>only empires that are capable of fighting me are fallens
>everyone else is pathetic compared to me
>no desire to play this run anymore
back to being comfy small

>>159199896
the worst part is that you can't even blob because you can only take two or three planets at a time

>>159199896
basically every paradox game

I'm actually so tired of fallen empires

I think I'll just turn them off from now on

I just destroyed a pirate station in stellaris and it said I recovered their strong room module but I can't seem to install it or find it anywhere.
Google or the wiki doesn't even seem to think it exists so I guess it was added in the last patch.

>>159200532
it just gives you some energy and minerals m8, that's all it is

>>159200532
>I recovered their strong room module
yeah, you get a lump sum of minerals/ energy. it's not an actual module you can install on a station or anything senpai

I've mostly been shoving all my trade routes internally for that glorious production boost in all my cities. Is there any good reason to get international ones?

>>159200665
>>159200725
That's kind of lame.

civ 6 ai is fucking atrocious. forcing myself to try and have fun.

>>159201080

More money, more faith. Some civics give bonuses for international routes.

>>159197542
>>159198313
based kinetic artillery is top tier now and torps are still very good, add some PD and armor and you're pretty good. If you know your enemies are using lasers, eg the unbidden, then put shields on

>>159201080
Trading with other civs is good for culture victory or if you need more cash.

>>159200526
> turning off the one vague source of temporary challenge in the game
That's some nice casual you got there.

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>"a unit needs orders" glitch
>far into the game so no idea where the offending unit is

T-thanks Sid

>>159201226
I just think they're poorly handled

>war in heaven starts
>"finally, I get to have a big war with my enormous federation!"
>join the league of non-aligned nations
>get excited to duke it out with the two fallen empires
>it turns out my federation completely split between the two empires
>the only nations in the entire league is just me and one weak fringe nation that was in my federation
>I have absolutely no chance at any victory

yeah how fun

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>never played a Civ game except for a demo for the first but considering getting VI due to all the Civ popularity and my old love of AoE
>really shouldn't with the money I have now but the temptation
How long until this supposed patch arrives approximately? I'm just watching let's plays of it right now.

>>159201501
>being so weak you can't oppose a fallen empire yourself
federationfags are pathetic

>>159201505
Just pirate it and see if you like it if you've never played a civ game.

>don't even bother using spies because i don't want to have to renew them every 8 turns

>>159201625
I had shitty tech rolls for weapons desu

I had nothing but projectiles until like 2300, I saw Mega Cannons before I saw lasers

also I only had like 400 naval capacity, but whatever

>>159201701
thinking bout it

are there any mods for stellaris that add in a 'sort planets by system' kinda thing in the overview tab on the right?
I'm basically just a tall empire at this point but my shits all out of order when scrolling down and it's triggering my ocd to no end

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>Spain landlocks me with his borders on a Pangea map
>he denounces me for some retarded reason
>can't open borders with him
>declare war just so I get caravels out to scout

I hate this smug bastard

>>159202206
it triggers me too tbqh but I haven't found a mod or anything to fix it.

Also they removed the sort empires by distance option which has also triggered me

>I am France's only ally in the entire game
>she still has resting bitch face whenever we make trade deals

you're lucky I have a grandma fetish you dumb broad

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Is sparse or low resources always been like this in civ games or is it unique to BE? I put sparse arid hot on because I want a super inhospitable planet but it was still bountiful wonderland. Was this the biggest issue with BE? The alien planets not being all that hard?

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I mean the influence is nice but come on.

>>159203241
civ6 is like that too

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>>159203241
I think the oceans were a lot more empty in vanilla BE at least.


I do remember wanting a dune like world in vanilla and still ended up on lush floodplains.

After my first game where I was just stomping the hardest AI with ics trade routes I wanted to make a comfy occ game in the desert and use terrascapes.

>>159203321
this game needs more:

star names
alien names
anomaly types
map types

Is Hyperlane Only the only way to play Stellaris?

Yes or Yes

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>>159203409

>>159203241
It's just BE, it generates a jillion resources whatever you do.

Although in fairness most of the resources are complete shit. Because in BE you need tech to unlock stuff like "Algae gives +1 food". Unlike Civ, where floodplains-wheat is a bonanza from turn 1, in BE you need like 5 obscure technologies to soup those resources up to even being mildly useful.

So to an extent this "bonanza" of yours isn't really a bonanza, mechanically speaking. It just LOOKS like a bonanza because you're used to resources actually being worthwile.

>>159203475
Warp is fine.

If you're materialist it's probably better to go wormhole since it's hard to get psi jump drives.

>>159203409
>>159203516
This is what I want from the game. Desolate wasteland planets that I slowly convert into a paradise.

>>159203554
Also improvements have higher yields in BE iirc, and they replace the resources, so fairly often you're better off using a standard improvement over the resource.

Desert(not floodplains) is op though.

How does Beyond Earth compare to Alpha Centauri? I really, really liked how flavourful SMAC was, and how each faction had their own agenda and their own optimal playstyle. Deirdre's endgame was fungus and mindworms errywhere, while Yang turned the map into a giant, borehole-laden literal human hive and Zakharov was always good for bullying tech out of.

Is Beyond Earth a worthy successor, or is it just le civ5 in spaec :))

Is it me or are there really no clear cut civs that have a strong science trait like Korea?

>>159203826
It's honestly pretty shitty. Not mechanically perse, but the balance is fucking terrible. Like four virtues into the industry tree energy (money) no longer matters. The only reason I am even playing it is because I want to play something future based and that's not ancient.

>>159203321
Should've picked the spiritualist/materialist ethos senpai

That event gives you stuff if you have one of those two.

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>>159203909
Play Alpha Centauri.

>>159203953
>not ancient

>>159203826
>Is Beyond Earth a worthy successor, or is it just le civ5 in spaec :))
civ5 in spess and every city is venice

>>159203929
I have fanatic materialist...

>>159204140
It amazes me how terrible Civ 2 looks compared to 3

>>159204468
huh, guess it's a 50/50 chance to see if your scientists actually discover the truth about the pot

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Yeeeaaah

Yeeeaaah

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this is what happens when you declare a surprise war on me BITCH

>>159203826
BE compares very unfavourably.
None of the factions have any personality, the game is horribly balanced, and the nonlinear tech web means there's no real sense of "eras" - unlike SMAC where you got real quantum leaps with Fusion Power, Genejack Factories, and Mag Tubes.

SMAC is better in every way other than graphics.

>>159204571
What is the truth?
What is truth?

how do sieges work?

>>159204747
magnets

>>159204747
mustard gas

>builder costs just keep going up and up
this is fucking bullshit

>>159197542
It depends on what you're fighting.
Other Empires: Fucking whatever you want
Fallen Empires: Kinetics. Giga cannon's range is very good to start off the engagement.
Prethoryn: Plasma+Lances and plenty of flak for their strikecraft
Unbidden: Shit ton of Battleships with arc emitters. I used my fleet decked out with kinetics that just beat an awakened FE only to get stomped by the unbidden's evasion rate. My guns had 8-12% accuracy with kinetics, but arc emitters are guaranteed hits even if their damage is random. With 300k fleet power and around 125 battleships+screen fleet, it was able to take on 1 million power unbidden fleets.

>>159204739
It's a 4D object sent by a benevolent entity as a way to help your empire, it gives some research bonuses.

Turns out your empire is too dumb to figure it out oh well :^)

>settle 20th city
>takes a billions years to build something

>>159205037
Utilize the builder policies. Theres like three. One that gives +2 uses and another that bumps up the prod rate 30%.

Oh the third is literally the two combined.

>>159205283
Not that Anon but still bullshit when working on increasing your gpt.
It's a literal slap in the face to anyone spending time on commercial hubs.

Guys, am I overdoing my Happiness bonuses?

>Individualist (Hyper-Entertainment Forum, +15% Happiness).
>Militarist (Virtual Combat Arena, +5% Happiness).
>Direct Democracy/Subconscious Consensus (+5%/+10% Happiness).
>Communal (+5% Happiness).

Max Happiness bonus: +35% Happiness, not counting a bonus from Edicts or Leaders.

>>159205883
I forgot the Militarist +10% wartime Happiness bonus, but that's incidental.

>>159205883
You're not overdoing it until you go over 100%

>>159205986
Well, on my homeworld I've hit 100% Happiness and my organic pops are more productive than my Droids.

>>159205883
that sound comfy
would live on planet/10

>>159205883
So, the base is 50. On my chosen world type, habitability is capped at 80% without buildings.

With my bonuses, I reach 85% Happiness on my chosen worlds, 95% when we're at war, not counting Edicts and leadership bonuses.

>>159206065
sounds good to me desu

incidentally what are the requirements for direct democracy

I just realized my individualist/xenophile empire didn't have access to it

>>159206227
Individualist/Materialist.

I'm playing Individualist/Materialist/Militarist.

>>159205883
Sounds good, but the virtual arena is probably not worth it.
A building slot is probably not worth a 2% increase in output.

I'd skip it and try to go to war as much as possible.

So you'll stay at +40 happiness.
50 once you have a Teldar Plant.

What's your ethics?

Mil+Ind?
Fan of one of them or do you have a 3rd?

So beat my first game of civ 6. Was on prince and it was piss easy. Is there a recommended difficulty for maximum enjoyment or do I just go diety and git guf?

>>159206293
Please refer to the post above, here: >>159206291.

I have to have

>>159206293
>Mil+Ind?
>Fan of one of them or do you have a 3rd?
Oh right materialist for the gov, nvm.

Has anybody ever seen Fanatical Befrienders or Peaceful Traders in Stellaris?

>>159206065
I forgot to say, there's a strategic resourced called Riggan Spice you can get from a trader enclave that gives 5% happiness

Am I the only person who is constantly spawned next to fucking desert? In every god damn Civ game. I don't want to spawn next to desert. STOP

>>159205883
When you genemod a presentient race so they think your politicians are gods, then slaughter all your original pops and let the adoring uplifts inherit your worlds, then and only then *might* you be overdoing it.

>>159206425
Same thing but I'm stuck near Tundra.

>>159206386
>I have to have

Materialist for the Government.

Sorry about that, I had auto-post active.

>>159185841
Is there a reason why you would ever build Destroyers? Seems like AEGIS Cruisers do everything they do but better.

>>159206571
AEGIS cruisers?

>>159206462
That's a thing?

>>159205153
B-but.. I have the intelligent trait!
It's because we're xenophobes isn't it!

That fucking 4D bastard just proved us right.

>>159206727

fucking newfag

>>159206903
Hey, be nice.

>>159206832
>being a xenophobe

is there even a practical reason for this

I suppose the Monument to Purity is good

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>>159206405
Ugly sloth things.

>>159206968
That and +10% border excursion.

>>159206571
Not really.

They're cheaper to produce, but they can pretty much only take out submarines, scout and transports.


They come a lot earlier in tech so there's that.
They have 6 movement while AEGIS Cruisers have 5 movement.

The bigger your fleet is you may accept adding some just for scouting.

>>159203241
>>159203394
>>159203409
>>159203554
i'm pretty sure the setting only affects strategic resources (in civ6 and civbe) which is why there's still shitload of normal ones

>>159206968
If you want to be individualist, and still purge.

If you want eat titanic lifeforms.

>>159206903
>>159207153
Oh, you guys are talking about Civ 6?

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>>159207232
>If you want to be individualist, and still purge.
only aliens though, but that's a valid point

>If you want eat titanic lifeforms.
that sounds rad as fuck desu

>>159207232
Don't individualists get -5% happiness per population you purge?
It makes clearing out 25 pop worlds a bitch as it takes 5 or so years for the modifier to go away.

>>159206828
Uplifted Presentients have a triat that gives them +20% happiness if they live in the empire that uplifted them.

Find earthbound presentients and add thrifty communal to them as you uplift them for the perfect energy workers.

If you find several Earthbound species you can add Very Strong to one as you uplift them for the perfect warriors.

It is important to not modify them after the intial uplifting, if you do that you lose happiness bonus.


Proles can be made into the perfect mineral workers with Industrious+Strong.

Intelligent+Natural Socioligists on Natural Intellectuals for the perfect society researches.

Intelligent+Natural X on any but proles makes them into very efficienct researches.

>>159207394
>that sounds rad as fuck desu
I think it gives the titanic life planet a +100% food modifier by event choice for xenophobes.

>>159204502
not that guy but for me it's complete opposite, civ3 looks like a complete mess, possibly worst of all civs while civ2 has extremely clean look to it and everything on the map is immediately recognizable. especially compared to 5/6/be which look great but when you actually want to see what's happening it's a disaster

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>Just fuck my shit up senpai

which civ game is the best?

>>159187760
I've spawned next to an isolationist FE once. They demanded I abandon a colony, which turned out to be my homeworld. Reloading an earlier save I chose the alternative, which is going to war and having your leader assassinated after they blow up every last one of your offworld assets.

In another game, I spawned slightly farther away from an isolationist awoken empire, that declared war on my federation mates. The second time this happened I Pussied out and became their thrall. This turned out to be a good thing because I had already expanded as big as I could get, and the Unbidden showed up shortly after. With all their forces tied up holding back the Unbidden, I got strong enough to eventually go to war with them and win my independence. Now I'm actually the third strongest empire in the game after the Unbidden, and another AE on the other side of the galaxy.

I put that game on hold however because I'm having trouble figuring out what to do next. I want to conquer my previous masters, gain their special economic buildings, and then use those to defeat the Unbidden, after which I will be able to muscle my way into reclaiming the quarter of the galaxy which they have scourged. But I'm a pacifist empire, and I have trouble keeping my economy afloat when I mobilize my fleet.

Any tips?

>>159207959
BE

>>159208007
this desu senpai

>>159207959
Civ 5, and Civ 6 will be once it get some DLC/polish.

>>159207697
RIP. Unless they like you.

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These are some weird shit they expect achievement hunters to do.

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>>159207998
>Any tips?

>>159208147
>Clear nuclear contamination with a Roman Legion
Wait a minute, I thought you couldn't clear fallout anymore. Did they change that for release?

>>159208164
And I thought I was a pussy for abandoning my federation mates.

>>159208101
Militant Isolationist

I just restarted, no point in even trying there

>>159207959
2 > smac > 6 if they fix it > be=5=6 right now > 3/4

>>159207959
Sid Memer's Civilization VI

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I have such a boner for customizing my government in games. Civ 5 bummed me out with this system but I'm just happy to have it in BE. Civ 6 was a welcome change.

Is there a 4x game that gets really indepth with this, or no.

>>159208450
I feel like I should insult you but I just can't find the correct words

>>159208554
i seriously hope you don't consider civ5 or 6 at current state to be the best civ

>>159208450
2 > smac > 6 if they fix it > 5=6 right now > be > 4 >3

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Placeholder dev notes made it into the game

Those fuckers

>>159208840
>this is a breath taking ""plain"" which appear as a mountain but is not and doesn't have wifi

>>159208840
I think when it says "it appears as a Mountain", it means that for the sake of district bonuses, wonder placement etc. it counts as a normal mountain

My fleets keep going to my captil if I order them to repair or return to the nearest spaceport, even if they pass two closer planets with ports.
Is this a bug with the new rally system?

>>159208840
That's not a dev note though. All natural wonders have that.

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what do i do with us guys
i'm militarist xenophobic materialist so my guys are fine with any negative option

>>159209006
AFAIK you don't get any district bonuses from them and can't use aqueducts on them, so no it doesn't count as a normal mountain

the great pigs of the stone age

>>159209071
enslave us obviously

So, anyone here returning to Civ V + mods?
It's much better than Div VI in it's current state tb(h).

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Hahaha how can ethics divergence even be real hahahaha nigga just mind control laser the enter galaxy hahaha like nigga just brainwash them with your religion haha.

0 Internal strife is the best, I love spiritualist. I've even managed to convert humanity from xenophile pacifist materialists to xenophobic fanatic spiritualists.

>>159209071
befriend

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>>159209071
There's only one solution as xenophobe militarists anon.

>>159209649
he's not fanatic xenophobe

>>159209476
i vassalised us and plan on integrating us into my empire to keep earth safe, befriending isnt really an option

>>159209649
>>159209324
i am really leaning towards purging us from all other planets except earth and to keep earth as a humans only planet

>>159209470
do you have a multiracial empire of xenophobes

>>159209374

Already playing IV senpai. IV is a mess so far.

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Who else Distant Worlds right now?

>>159210324
Really makes you think

>tfw I really like the Pacifist government types but it would mean having to play Pacifist

maybe it won't be as bad as I think it would

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>Assimilate
>Enslave
>Exterminate

You decide their fate

>>159210502
>good engineers
>good soldiers
seems like assimilate to me

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Everyone and their dog has declared war on me and gotten their shit kicked in. Now they're denouncing me for being a warmonger? BLAME THE BROWN CUNTS STARTING WARS WITH EVERYONE

>>159210537
Enslaving has the same effect though

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>>159210249
Yes, here's earth.

>>159210838
It's the same AI from Civ 5...

>>159211126
haha
thanks doc

>>159196656
You built a robot pop. This is a bug in 1.3 that only got fixed in the hotfix, you dirty pirate.

>>159211631
>you dirty pirate
Don't lump us clean 1.3.1 playing pirates in with the casual over there.

What 4x games have portable versions?
I'm at work and I'm tired of being shit at freeciv, what should I play?

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>pop up
>Refugees please help
>take them in
>destroy their ships to further my science
>take their colony ship
>disgusting bug people
>put them on lava planet and enslave them
>they rebel

Wow ungrateful fucks time to put the hurt on

>>159211990
Don't make me want to play this game. I cannot waste 6 hours.

>>159212150
What would you play as

>>159184970
Suppose, for some reason or another, a Stellaris events mod made by /civ4xg/ is made. What events would be in it?

>>159212237
DON'T TEMPT ME

>>159184970
>does you own race revolt if you enslave them, and you only have one point in collectivism? do you need two points to prevent that?

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>>159212475

>>159212594
Must... think... about... sensible haircuts.
Not space ships, or massive amount of brouzoufs, or space pirates...

>>159212667
Think about your legs.
Your legs are fine.

You gain Brouzouf.

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>>159212667
All this autism could be yours

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>>159212718
I fucking hated that game so much. All the respawning enemies, constantly respawning, all the time...

>>159212734
I MUST ESCAPE

So how much tourism does any wonder give in Civ 6? I know it was big in 5 because most wonders didn't have an innate tourism output, but the way wonders culture applied was that culture from wonders themselves being turned to tourism with later buildings, but I don't see any buildings like that this time.

Do all wonders just have a blind value? I didn't see any so I tried a culture game focusing not so hard on wonders to try and go wide and get tourism through multiple cities and the Film Studios (playing as America) but Cleopatra on her other continent with 4 cities had double my tourism before the massive +100% boost of the film studios. I matched her after I built studips in all my cities, but if I was playing any other civ she would have double my tourism for going hard on wonders. Do you NEED to focus on wonders or not for culture victory? I thought just the essentials and a few extra for other benefits would help, but it looked like her small empire schooled me

>>159212973
They give a bonus from the start, so yes getting some do wonders for your tourism. You should probably look at which ones are the most advantageous for you and focus on those, or try to quickly grab whatever you can by chopping woods and getting some wonder building policy in your government.
You can also go destroy Cleo's anus with your thick throbbing military and keep her cities to make sick culture gains while you're at it.

>>159212571
All slaves revolt, regardless of how collectivist they are.
Collectivism serves only to stop your NON-slave pops from crying about the poor folks in da cobben fielbs :(((

>>159213549
:-(
but i wanna play my enslaving blob of fungoids that spreads all over the galaxy

>>159213665
Literally all you have to do is tick the box on the faction screen to dump one influence a month into suppressing the Malcontent Slaves.
Do that and you can forget about factions for the entire rest of the game.

>>159213767
do I need collectivism at all then?
If no, whats the purpose of that trait anyways? Seems like every other trait is much better

>>159213909
you need collectivist or xenophobic to enslave in the first place

>>159184970
An encampment should give you a separate slot for training soldiers, meaning that the city can build other things WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY training units

>>159213909
Collectivism stops your non-slaves from getting uppity when you use slavery.
Managing the malcontent faction stops your actual slaves from getting uppity when you use slavery.
And also as >>159213937 says you physically can't enslave your own d00ds at all without collectivism.

>>159209374
Most definitely, the AI in VI is beyond stupid and I thought V was bad. Though what pisses me off the most is how VI basically forces you to go wide all the time. I like my small, medium sized empires and dislike how they made going wide the only way to survive in higher difficulties.

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So some of my best childhood friends all play Civ, usually having Skype sessions and having a good time. Issue is i've never played a strategy game before so i'm not sure if I should take the plunge and buy it.

1. Is Civ 6 difficult as far as strategy games go?

2. Is the learning curve really high? Especially for someone like me?

3. Will looking at gameplay on YouTube give me a good idea what I may be in for?

>>159214873
>2. Is the learning curve really high? Especially for someone like me?
If you've never played a Civ game before, yeah. That isn't to say you can't learn, of course. Ask your friends to teach you.

>>159212734
wait wtf, is that aurora? when did it get all that GUI shit?

>start new game
>early space age species inside the influence of my homeworld

>>159211891
Age of Empires II for ds

>>159214873
If you play with friends they can give you pointers. Civ isn't that hard to learn, many things are kept clear and simple, and it's turn based so you can think about your next move. Also I'm jelly you got best childhood friends. Or childhood friends. Just friends at all.

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>>159215045

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> thought I was some sort of big shot
> thought a Fanatic Xenophobe Awakened Empire ain't got nothin' on me
> DoW with a 250K fleet that's stomped the rest of the galaxy
> They show up with 517K

Plz no rape
Plz
No

>>159215385
>for ds
Wait what? That fucking exists?

Anyway I mean portable like PortableApps package or just running off external drive and not leaving direct evidence throughout the windows registry.

>>159215562

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvhqUwokTUs

you about to get loved tenderly my dude

Does Civ VI run better or worse than Civ V?

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>>159215624
> try to run
> get caught at the heliopause
> try not to cry

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>>159215562

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Damn these niggas really like their little nigletts

>spawn next to saladin on our own continent with a few city-states
>he plops down san'a 4 tiles from my capital
>he conquers all 3 city-states
>I settle tundra tiles since there's no more space to expand
>"don't settle close to my lands" message
>denounces then DoWs me 5-10 turns later
I wish I could say I won

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DUDE
WEED
LMAO

>>159215876
>>159215965
>those swarms of fighters and bombers racing into battle
I hope you've got some flak, PDs and fighters of your own son.

Is there the congress thing in Civilization 6 ? I liked it in Civ V.

>>159216190
Will be in expansion no doubt.

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WHY THE FUCK IS IT PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO CREATE A NATIONAL PARK?

REEEE

>>159216273
Oh fuck them for fuck sake.
I'm sick and tired of having to wait for expension when the main game is already 60€ and Civ 5 was like five years ago.

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>Tomyris trying to overtake a citystate
>denounce and DoW turns later to save poor Brussels
>suddenly everyone is denouncing
>even the bitches that overtook other civs already
What the literally fuck. Out of the 5 that denounced me, 3 of them have overtaken civs and the rest have DoW'ed multiples time. This is my first DoW and I'm a warmonger?

Who the hell designed this AI because it's frustrating.

ayo
http://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/improved-tech-tree.603703/
Also why don't they use the Nexus? It's far better.

>>159216307
I'm not sure you fulfill any of the conditions to make on your screenshot.

>>159215562
>giant doomstack fleet
Is this really the most efficient way to play?
I hate how it looks and usually split it up into 3-5 equal fleets, used to surround the enemy. Sure it uses up more leaders but I'd like to think it's more efficient as the enemy can only swarm one fleet at a time while the others can support at range.

>>159216449
Yeah I've given up on anything other than total war or turtling.

>>159216307
It has to be a _vertical_ diamond shape, didn't the civilopaedia make that clear? ;^)

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>>159216091
Nope.
Got rekt.
Retreated to fleetbase to rekit, luckily they don't seem to have the appetite to follow me.

What's a good defensive build against their weaponry. Looked like they were kinetics only. Just cover my ships in neutronium armor?

>>159216698
If you have a swarm fleet of smaller ships with a gale force admiral and a large gun fleet with a cautious admiral hanging back to strike from a distance it could help.

>>159208535
Bump

Any list of recommended mods for Stellaris -compatible with the last DLC- ?

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>>159216698
It's certainly more efficient to play split up when you're doing what I was doing *before* I took on the FE - that is, picking on people much smaller than me. I split my fleet up into 8 task forces, because for every war other than this one since 2400 1/8th of my fleet could take out an entire other empire.

But I think a hueg fleet is most effective if you're fighting someone of equal power.
Then again, I just got my teeth kicked in, so what do I know.

>>159216781
Just isolate their individual 200k fleets and eliminate them. Also abuse their jump cooldown time for a free 10 days of damage (you should have jump drives by now to head them off)

>2204
>385 fleet power pirates jump to capital
>blow up my wormhole station
>leave
what a bunch of memers

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>>159216998
See, this was my plan before they caught me in the first system.
I'll give it a try.

>>159216718
Honestly I'm just going back to Civ5 until this gets fixed or the first expansion drops.

I'm only waiting for mod tools for naked leaders mods desu

>>159207959
IV with all expansions is still the best at the moment. VI might top it after some patches to fix the AI, interface, balance, and some expansions.

>>159215580
It does, it's turned based and it feels like a medieval based Civ game.

>>159196016
This is wrong on epic and marathon because it takes 10 turns every slinger vs. a horseman every turn.

>draft titanic life into my army
>laugh my ass off as l watch primitives and emerging empires try to fight off Space Godzilla

Too bad you can only build a few of them tho

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There's no way they're gonna fall for this, they're a millions-year-old hyperpower, masters of material plane

>>159216720
The pedia is a compilation of bbt tier jokes and no info or history.

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>>159218090
K E K
E
K

will the AI EVER declare war after ancient era?

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>>159218178
TOO LATE NOW YOU SHITS

>>159218184
lol

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>>159218253
One down, two to go
> Alas poor weedman

>>159218339
Can't bleed the weed.

Hi guys, I've been thinking about getting civ 6, I've never played any civ game so maybe I don't miss civ 5 features as many players seem to, should I get it?

>>159218580
Just pirate it.

>>159218580
Pirate and find out.

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important planet for every thread

>>159216720
>Pantanal natural wonder has 4 tiles in diamond shape
>but it's not vertical
also parks are featureless and hard to see so nothing of value was lost tbqh

Is civ6 balanced yet?

>>159218854
Holy shit.

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>>159218854
I'd stick my mining drill into that

>>159218958
Yeah, without patches or anything the game balances itself.

>>159218887
>can't build park around fucking natural wonder
>90% of parks are just grass or snow
(╯°Д°)╯︵┴┴

>>159218854
Isn't there suppose to be a space dragon that defends it?

>>159219042
Oh fuck I didn't expect it to actually go through

>>159218854
LONDON
O
N
D
O
N

>>159219042
I'm sure you can build parks around natural wonders, I remember doing that to that 4 tile marsh one

>>159218987
who is this semen demon

>>159219163
The dragon's bitch

>>159219054
yes, and he's ded

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>>159219284
is this where she lives?

>>159219498
what hte fuck

>>159219498
Ayy
Do girls actually get off on this?

>>159218090
>>159218178
>>159218253
I don't understand what you are implying here. I tried looking at your previous images but I don't get it.

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>>159219648
>girls

>>159184970
That's one ugly fucking OP desu.

>>159219648
No. They get off on holding hads with other girls

>>159219730
Faggots out

holy shit civ vi is fucking boring

how can I change the architecture style of civs? Back in V it was in "Civilizations" file but now it just have a ethnicity field that doesn't change it

>>159201505
>>159201871
Exactly the same here, anon. What have you done? Any advice?

>>159219841
I think it's comfy :3

>>159219841
I've been playing the same game for 3 days on normal speed and I'm bored as fuck

FROM THE FIRST STIRRINGS OF LIFE BENEATH WATER

>>159219841
Agree. It's most likely the worst launch in series.

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>>159219667
It was suggested >>159216998 that I isolate their fleets.
So I built a flimsy snare station at the opposite end of the system to where they would naturally enter it from.
Their first fleet warped in on top of the snare station and immediatly ripped it to shreds, meaning it didn't affect the second and third fleets that blipped in seconds later. So with one fleet isolated on the opposite side of the system to the others, I could easily destroy it with my ambush, then run away, before their reinforcements could cross to the other side of the star.

>>159220146
t. someone who didn't play civ 4 and 5 on launch

>>159219667
He did the old bait n switch but with 250 thousand starships and half a million men.

>>159220169
Stellaris looks pretty fun desu

>>159220276
different anon here, it's a guilty pleasure for me

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>>159220276
It's really fun for the first few games.
Doesn't really have legs tho.

>>159220021
I am fond of stirrings.

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>>159219498
>dat fucking mold

>Duel map
>Pangaea
>4 Civs
>Domination only

Anyone found a more F U N way to play?