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"If I have to keep making the threads you're going to keep getting potatofaces" Edition.

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Previous Thread >>158752828
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Potatoface > moeblob
tbqhwyf
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I don't like potatoes but I'll tolerate them as long as I don't have to do anything
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xth for rip /wowsg/s
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xth for getting worse with time

Someone scuttle me please.
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Just played a battle with IkeJM and he was acting like a faggot for no reason.

Who is he?
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>Arpeggio of Blue Steel ending in december
>we gon get a arp takao wich is a copy of atagoy
>old missions will also be re enabled
>hopefully something else, but no word on it as well
>H A I F U R I starting soon!
>5.14 PTS will have clans
>likely RN CL nerf, no healpot till tier 7
>Eu and NA have agreeded on [BOTES] as their clan tags
>ranked ending in 13 days! you can do it anon! it wont be disgraceful at all!
>no real word on what will the next collab be, or if we will actualy get a collab
its only a matter of time until WG implements waifus in game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbcWJLLDLq8
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i just want to see little people running around on my deck and putting out fires and stuff
and ragdolling off the side of the boat when a shell hits near them, catching on fire etc
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I got Confederate so I didn't exactly do nothing but I still feel like I had no impact on the battle. I haven't really felt like I make an impact in any of the T6 cruisers, or T5 cruisers when they switched to -1/+2 MM.
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>>158899908
>>likely RN CL nerf, no healpot till tier 7
Is there more than one 'source' for this? I can't see ships like Danae or Emerald performing well enough to justify this. The heal pot is a placebo on them, of course. They tend to get citadel'd to death within seconds more often than not.
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>get stuck on the blueline like a retard with a Kaiser and New York behind you
>die like you deserve
>call your team cunts while they were busy doing work on other parts of the map

i dunno if he was talkin to me or somethin, cause i was setting fires on everyone within a 12km vicinity of me.
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>got the Danae

whats she like
when does the suffering end
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>>158900650
hakuma matata
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>>158900650
>heihu

moar leik literallywho roflmao
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>>158900656
neptune
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>>158900775
you right

>>158900780
http://heihu.org.cn/
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>>158900867
>Neptune

Just gave a NepNep a napnap in my Dank Meme earlier, not seeing how it's "good"
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>>158901036
its got decent guns, torpedoes, and AA. so get out there and seize the day slugger.
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Wasn't Arkansas supposed to get upgraded with some AA guns in wows at one point? What happened to that?
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>>158900102
These botes are pure and have no seamen and its going to stay that way.
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>>158901174
>WG is obliged to implement everything opium addicted chinamen spew out
No
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why are we so ded tonight?
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>>158902616
Fuck if I know. I was about to step out to go get something to eat.
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>tfw no bote gf
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>>158903076
fraternization is against the rules in most armed forces.
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>tfw konig 10 game losing streak
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>tfw no qt hotel gf
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>>158903246
Are they still part of that armed force when they been struck from the naval registry on account of having sunk?
Although I guess it doesn't matter if the navy they served no longer exists anyway.
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>>158903672
Jesus, man, I normally call it after 3 or 4 and either quit or switch ships for a bit.
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why do people recommend USN DD's for gunboteing when VMF DD's seem to be just as capable?
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>>158903923
I can empathize with him. When I start losing hard I get pissed and lose more until I get at least one win.
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>>158903672
I hit 14 in bayern, my stats still haven't recovered ;^)
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>>158903782
>tfw never a qt hotel gf
;_;
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>>158904212
But that's the worst possible condition to be playing anything in.

Take a break nigga.
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>>158904212
>going on tilt
>ever

i bet people love playing cards with you
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>>158904370
It is. But when emotions are boiling you make poor decisions. It's the "If I win this game I can still rescue my stats" feeling.
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>>158904472
Nah, you quit because it means you're in the middle of a lose streak that'll force 50 your stats. Quit while you're ahead.
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>>158901159
Why would I spam AP only 152s when I can spam 203s with HE. Sure that's not the baltimore, but I already have DM.
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>tfw no B-65
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>>158904861
My heart can only take so much anon.
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>>158904828
youre the one that picked RN cruisers, not me
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>>158904861
ugly as fuck
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>>158905089
Fuck off mako
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>>158905089
You're ugly nerd.
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>>158904989
you're right, but I just wanted someone to talk to and discuss botes with ;_;
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>>158905270
don't we all ;_;
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>>158904410
>going on tilt
What
I mean, I assume from the context it means getting pissed off or something but still, What
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>>158905396
it's the feedback loop where continuing bad results makes you play continuously worse and worse
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Hmmmmmmmm....
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>>158905396
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_(poker)
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>>158905510
>rotate ships to clear dailies
>win first game with Fletcher
>win with Konig
>get stock bayern, win with it
>win with Shchors
>lose with Myoko
>win with Caledon
>lose with Myoko
>fuck it, play Shchors again
>win with Shchors
>lose with Myoko
>41% wr with Myoko
>meanwhile ARP Myoko, Haguro, Nachi and Ashigara have above 60% winrates

explain this
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post boteing musik lads
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>>158904082
Because VMF DD's are not as stealthy and manoeuvrable, so they don't do typical close-range DD work as well as USN DDs do. Raw USN dmg/min is higher, but this advantage falls off at range.
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>>158905994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z80INXp9J5g
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>>158905942
power of the anime
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>>158905994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQuOhch9NE0
only botespinning now
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SEND HELP
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Why is she so perfect?
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Did the KMS even matter after the Normandy landings? With the Allies on the mainland I can't see how a German Navy would matter at that point.
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>>158907116
fuck off jingles
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>>158907273
Some of the cruisers shelled the Russians near Danzig in '45.

Thats about it.
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>>158907273
>Did the KMS even matter
no
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>>158907273
they stopped mattering after sonar and CVs were invented
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Here you are heihu
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>>158907273
why arent they wearing pants
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>give a bong CL a full broadside from a Wyoming at 6k
>overpen x6))))
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>>158907895
don't be silly anon ships don't wear pants
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>>158907879
many thanks
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>>158907273
Germany still controlled the Baltic, from which their forces on the Eastern Front were supplied.
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>>158907273
while the Tirpitz and Scharnhorst-class ships continued to exist the Royal Navy were for the most part afraid to even so much as set foot in the Baltic with their ships I think.

Also U-botes were getting hella tonnage all throughout WW2.
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>>158907273
The U-Boats that were off the coast of USA.
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>enemy team masses one flank
>they turn into a ball of fuck you and crave through your team like butter
>your team tries this, they all yolo or are picked apart one by one.
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>>158909391
>their death ball heads straight for your cap
>your death ball is busy chasing the CA and BB fleeing to the edge of the map
Obviously this is on Two Brothers.
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>>158909697

>your team can't stop hitting each other and the enemy cvnt is all over it
>your cvnt is trying to torp the yoloing bottom teir BB on the other side of the map.
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>swing wildly between god of war driving my enemies before me
>and not even managing to get above 20k damage done
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>>158907895
The German botes are drawn by Fumikane, i.e. the Strike Witches dude, so they are Winning The War On Pants in kANcOLLE, too.
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>Strait
>on the side with the most allied ships this time
>the DD fucks off to B and a faggot cruiser goes with him
>the top team abandons A or dies yoloing
>Can't do shit at C since their DDs weren't pussy ass faggots and they actually have cruiser support
>the fuckers that took B get sandwiched and die like the faggots they are
>only thing I can do is punish the ones that overextend and end up alone as I wait for the inevitable
And of course, Shards any fucking time I play it
>Team blobs up to A or C
>Doesn't actually enter A/C and just circles around it while I die at B alone/solo cap B/support the DD at B and end up with half a team circlejerking in the corner
If I hadn't spent way too damn much money on a garbage slav free to play game I'd quit and play a single player boat game
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>tfw you spend all of your credits on a T10 and just don't ever play it
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>ina Wyoming
>stock
>pushing toward the closest cap with two cruisers and a DD because lol 18kn
>cruisers and DD turn and run off after the first enemy is sighted on the other side of the map.
>try to push into cap, meet half the enemy team.
>try my best to hold them off, do so for five minutes before dying.
>"lol noob Wyoming"
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>>158907273
Who is the cutie on the right?
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>you will never be scuttled
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Why are Brit AP shells such a fucking joke? They don't do fuck all to destroyers.
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>>158900295

I don't see what fucking use the health potion is on the Danae or Emerald. It's like one shell worth of damage at best.

Giving them a smokescreen instead might make them actually fucking useful.
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>>158901159

>you are now aware that the Des Moines vs. Minoturd matchup is the hardest hardcounter in the game
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>>158911878

one shell's worth of hp might buy them just enough time to finish off a BB or make a torpedo run.
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>>158912121
Honestly, in Danae I find myself having to rely on hail mary torpedo runs much more often than I'm comfortable with if I want to do good damage. I just don't feel as if a cruiser line should rely on torpedo suicide runs as much as the low-tier british cruisers.
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:(
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>>158911729
Graf Zeppelin?
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>weymouth in t4

Fuck you.
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>>158913069
>fail diving
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>>158911887
Cant Mino just go bow on and then they just spam HE at one an-

>Mino has no HE

ah

AH
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Summoning chain_chomp
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I hate that bong CLs are actually not awful at killing DDs because of that bullshit AP ammo
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Will the midway ever be relevant again?
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>>158914243

>killing DDs
>hard

>being good at killing a ship that makes up at most like three of the enemy team

The British cruisers are just absolute dogshit. Fucking Somalian pirates have more effective light cruisers.
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>>158914582
Well yes but I play DDs and bong CLs are one of the few things I even need to register as a threat to me
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>>158914712

Literally turn around, wait 5 seconds for one of your BBs or CAs to oneshot them, and then keep doing whatever you were doing.

They're as threatening as a DD that can't hide.
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>>158914881
>Turning around
Please I have more important shit to do

The enemy is in front of me and I need to deal damage, not get paltry XP for spotting
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>>158914980

Then pop smoke and fucking gun the bonger down, it's not even difficult.
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>>158903782
You can always try and build models of her to fill a part of the void.
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I like watching Notser, but if he talks anything like he streams, he'd be pretty weird in real life.
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>>158914516

Will CVs in general ever be relevant again?
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>>158914582
>The British cruisers are just absolute dogshit. Fucking Somalian pirates have more effective light cruisers.

Try playing something other than tier 4

>fourth best tier 6
>second best tier 7
>best tier 8
>best tier 9
>fifth best tier 10
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>>158914582
I literally just rush them with US DDs all the way to T7. After that they are fucking scary, their faster fire rate became sizable threat.
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>>158915207
That's what I'm doing, and she even looks like Hotel now.
If she wasn't still only held together by masking tape I could even hug her.
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>>158915781

>fourth best tier 6

wow its fucking nothing

Having a great 7+ doesn't excuse the majority of the line being trash
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Well that solves my issues with silver for a while.
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>Finally got AFT on my Slav DDs

Unf, having the option to just fire non stop is great
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>>158916187

>4/18 is nothing

>Having a great 7+ doesn't excuse the majority of the line being trash

I guess this is true if you're some casual trash that plays 10 games every month, but most of us get to tier 6 pretty quickly.
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>my gf put her perfectly purple painted toenails and barefeet an inch away from my screen and said if i won my next game, i'd get both of her holes if i wanted

>if I lose, she's putting me in our bed ties and is going to"enjoy my one hole as if it were 2 holes"...................................

i have every 6-10 US/Nazi BB, please tell me what to pick tonight to make sure i fucking win, please, im not trolling
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How the fuck does a team lose when the enemy has two AFKs? Why does the flank with the most ships crumble while me and two DDs can take D then almost reach A before the enemy's score reached 1000? There wasanother BB that was doing the usual sniping thing I guess but the rest of the team went to B and died somehow
13 battles and only 4 wins these teams are fucking bullshit. How the fuck do I always go the flank with the least number of teammates and live longer than everyone who went the other way?
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>>158917818
Ur botefu will never be real tho, so whatchu afraid of?
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Very neat
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>>158918498

im serious non, im going the battle in like 10 mins, thinking of going with the trusty Bismarck
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>>158917818
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>>158917818
Abrach pls. Hotel will never be real. No matter how much you crave for it, she will never penetrate your boipussy with her 18" main gun.
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>>158900656
I do pretty well on Danae, i get 3 kills per game usually.
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>>158918850
>not literally making your botefu real again
look at this pleb
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Hey guys, whats going on in th- >>158917818
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Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy
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>>158919767
O-oh
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>>158919901
>tfw got 5m silver instead

It's not that much, but still useful
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should i buy the fujin or not :3
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>>158920087
nope
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>>158920087
>he doesn't have Kamikaze R

pleb
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WHO /nevergottenanythinggoodinsupercontainers/ here?
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>>158909697
>last one alive
>winning by points on two brothers
>enemy team doesn't bother capping because they're busy chasing your Myoko's ass.
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>>158920635
I got a Nikolai

no screenies because i was legit retarded
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>>158920160
>>158920135
so i have to wait till kamikaze R is for sale again :^( i want to throw some money at wg cause i think the containers and the event are great
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>tfw fighting a Kamikaze, Fujin, Minekaze, and Isokaze all at once
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>>158920801
I don't think the Kamikaze R is for sale, last time it was available through an event only.

You can get the Kamikaze though. Maybe.

If you don't have a money earner at t5, Fujin should be ok.
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>>158918498
>>158918708
>>158918850
>>158919502

I went with my 20 captain skilled NC in a ranked battle and won.

BASED NC

no matter how much she tried to distract me with her barefeet as she knows I have a crazy foot fetish, and she wore 3 toerings and 2 anklet(which she never wears more than one of either type)

> i'm not at an ass man at all, so im just going to make sure the strap on we occasionally play with if firmly secure and deep inside her and I make it last a long as possible for her as I know if I lost, she would have had me in a chastity cage an made it last forever for me too : P

>been with her 4 years and she never gets less "marriage material"
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>>158920987
i never bought something from wg. wt i never did because i did not want to support the premium ammunition. wows feels good, i can't see much pay to win just the consumables and the camo. but they added the event and containers so you can get both with some luck and time on your own. i like that and want to support it. so i am looking for a premium.
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>Play Konig
>Team is full of mouth breathers, can't contest caps because 4 DDs per side and all of ours died within 2 minutes
>Inevitably lose
>Get chat banned when I call them out for being retarded mouthbreathers

Can't win
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>>158917818


i love knowing im im not the know shipfag that's into /femalefeet/


hard not to be desu, girls really really make their feet look sexy these days

>low impeact exercises that keep them fit but keep their feet soft
>cheap pro pedicures
>youtubes to teach you or a friend to give you a near pro pedi
>awesome lotions

what a time to be alive as a footfag, i kinda feel bad for non-footfags. they're missing out big time.
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>>158921794
Scharnhorst before it leaves the shop.
Other than that, Warspite's the only one I'd recommend off the shop. The Tier 8s are good but pricey. I think the Molotov is alright but I haven't played it myself. Fujin and Kamikaze/R are literally the same thing so if you don't have on I guess it's an alright purchase.


>>158922242
>>158921553
Can you please keep /v/ shit on /v/?
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>>158922439
>>158921794
Fujin is fun if you like the low tier DD style, Scharn is probably the most fun you can get for your dosh though.
Also can confirm that the Molotov is fun so long as you're decent at playing no-armor cruisers.
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>>158922439
>>158922680
Forgot to mention, Texas is good but its relatively short range and slow speed really limit what you can do in T7 matches, so I don't recommend it as strongly as I once did since that'll be the majority of your games.
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>>158921553
>>158917818
Fucking normies
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>>158921794

Warspite, Atago, Kutuzov are the best in the shop permanently.

Scharnhorst, Lo Yang, and Arizona are good if you can get them. Belfast has been getting good reviews so far and will probably be in the NA shop after the Scharnhorst is out.

Get the one that shares a crew with your favorite nation/T10.
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>>158922965

I'll add that the Kutuzov, Atago, and Lo Yang are considered top tier for tier 8 ranked battles right now, so they get some extra mileage there.
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Where can I get a pink New York?
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>>158923412
looks like it's just the spooky red camo, but with odd lighting
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>>158922439
>>158922680
>>158922965
thanks for your advices anons i bought the scharnhorst.
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Is that it?
Did Wargaming put that much effort into a shitty little Halloween event you'll only play once because it is way too easy to be enjoyable?
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>>158925618
>easy
I only played it twice and lost both times.
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>>158925720
I played it once with randoms and nothing even threatened us? We just steamrolled through.
Everything just died super fast and did no damage.
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>>158925618
>only play once
i just farm the camos
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god does freddy good sexy with its custom camo

>dem black gun turrets
>dat atlantic camo

about to set off on my first voyage, i didn't wana play it until i got full upgrades first via freen exp
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>>158926632
What does Freddy have over Bismarck? From the looks it just looks like a bigger Bismarck.
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Why are you so bad at videogames?
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>tempted to buy the goy chest
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>>158927071
Shit at life

Shit at vidya
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>>158927606
Why would you ever use that module over the main battery RoF one? Please don't ever be on my team.
>>
>be in Des Meme
>cant do shit at long range, gotta be all tacticool and shit until I reach firing range
>get rewarded with literally everyone panicking at the mere thought of being in range with you
>BBs burning and cant counter because you're lobbing shells over islands
>cruisers melting under the combined HE/AP spam because they can't keep up
>DDs caught with their pants down in radar and just giving up

>be Minoturd
>cant do shit at long range, gotta be all tacticool and shit until I reach firing range
>be rewarded with literally nothing
>DDs still get shrekt but
>get shredded by opposing cruisers who pen and burn through the paper armor
>literally do pisspoor damage against BBs because AP-only 152mm
>get relegated to DD huntan duties only
>friendly Benson/Fletcher has already done that

What is the Minotaur even good at?
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>>158926968

imagine the bismarck with this mod

>pic

>>158927698
it fucks with your traverse speed, i tried it on iowa and hated it,

im no expect, but why wouldnt you want to max your 2nds in a bismarck or freddy?
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>>158927837
You obviously have not looked at her traverse speed then.
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Tell us Movac
Why are you hiding your IGN?
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>>158928178
Man clearly wants to remain anonymous, what's wrong with that on an anonymous messageboard?
Besides, have you seen what you do to people who are open with their IGNs? Anumati, Raptor, Chain, Mako, Trump, the list goes on. I don't blame him for wanting to keep it quiet.
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>>158927778
>What is the Minotaur even good at?
AA, :^)
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>>158928178
Maybe he's a little shy :3
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>>158928627
Des Moines' does AA better though.
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>>158928296
Is this bait? The first person in your list is the one doing all of this shit.
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>>158929163
With Defensive fire, sure, but MInotaur loses less by speccing for AA, has longer-range large-caliber AA and can shoot down planes before being detected by them.
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>>158929526
When does DM not have DF tho
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>>158929323
Anumati is my friend and he doesn't do the shit you accuse him of.
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>>158929910
Quite often actually, I've seen quite a few of them removed by carriers, especially offpeak, because they didnt have DF.
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>>158929967
Lurk more newfag.
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>>158928296
>posters want to remain "anonymous"
>puts screenshots bragging about own achievements, drawing attention to oneself

There's nothing wrong with admitting you are socially awkward or have aspergers.
>>
jesus i have to wait up to 9 day to recieve my premium ship :3
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>>158931281
What ship and why wait?
>>
I hate this tier 8 slump. I want all these ships like Khab and Yamato and I'm on Amagi and Tashkent but fuck, those tiers aren't fun and the grind is so long. I don't know how I got my Montana and Gearing.
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http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/101498-need-more-cruisers-to-citadel-world-of-bb-and-dd-is-not-fun/#topmost

WTF?
WHERE ARE ALL THE CRUISERS?
WHEN NO ONE PLAYS CRUISERS I CANT FARM FREE DAMAGE OFF THEM AND KILL THEM IN ONE SALVO IN MY BATTLESHIP!
WHY IS NO ONE PLAYING CRUISERS???????????????????
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>>158926968
Every single german ship looks the same but bigger.
Bismarck is a bigger Bayern/Gneisenau
Freddy is a bigger Bismarck
Curry is an even bigger Bismarck.

Same goes for their cruisers
Königsberg
Königsberg 2.0
Yorck
Better looking Yorck aka Hipper aka small Bismarck
Bigger Hipper (or a Königsberg 3.0 desu)
An even bigger Hipper

It's the same fucking ship over and over again. I wonder why krauts couldn't build a formidable surface navy if they were stuck with an outdated project from a previous war. At least you can see progress in US and nip designs.
RN with their outdated navy wasn't much better than nazis tbaqhwyfam
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>>158931349
scharnhorst. they need to take the money from my bank account and they will do it on 04.11. (the email says) so i guess i will recieve the ship after.
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>>158931574
What's wrong with having fodders for you to statpad? BBs should go through the armor and one shot a cruiser as well.
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>>158931574
OP is a troll and cruiser main.
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>>158931574
Simple answer, WARGAMING BROKE GAME BALANCE FOR CRUISERS, ESPECIALLY UK CRUISERS.
CONS TO UK CRUISERS

- UK ARE SLOW TURNING BUCKETS OF CITADEL

- UK CRUISERS DO NOT HAVE HE SHELLS AND CANNOT SET FIRES

- UK CRUISERS HAVE HUGE VISIBILITY RANGE
WHY THE HELL WOULD I DRIVE A BIGGER SLOWER CRAPPIER DD, WHEN I CAN DRIVE A REAL DD WITH HALF THE DETECTED RANGE, HALF THE SHIP SIZE TO HIT AND MORE TORPEDOES PLUS ACTUAL HE SHELLS THAT START FIRES ON BB ??
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>>158932027
While you're at it, make all cruisers have no HE shells. BBs shouldn't be damaged by puny cruiser shells.
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>>158932421
Chill dude, UK BBs will be HE only :^)
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>tfw people always shit on cruisers but they're still your favorite class by far to play, especially at the top tiers
And it's not like I like it for the botes despite the gameplay, all my favorite botes are BBs but I just love playing cruisers so much more.
I know they have a buttload of issues, just like every class, but I don't think they're as useless and unusable as people say.
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>>158932614
>give britbong cruisers AP only
>britbongs whine about lack of HE
>give britbong BBs HE only in response
>britbongs will still whine

can nothing please these shitters? bongers haven't been relevant since forever.
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>it's a "your team has 3 man BB div, but they're fucking pussies hiding behind islands"
>its'a "guys in colorados and new mexicos take the longest possible route"
>it's a "playing solo" episode
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>>158933221
>brit dds will be torp only
pottery
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>>158933542
5km only, right?
>>
Is there a more useless teammate than jap DD?
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>>158933902
No smoke but better nitro of peculiar for torp drive by))))
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>>158933964
>70 knots
>5km
Fast and effective))))))))))))))
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Man, I forgot this anime even existed.
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>>158933291
>IT'S AN "EVERYONE LEAVES YOU WHILE ENEMY BB HAS A WOLFPACK OF DDS AROUND HIM"

>brawling
Should I just give up and start blue lining? Every time I try to make a breakthrough my team pussies out the moment they start taking damage. It's so fucking frustrating.
I can punish broadsiding enemy BB for 3/4 his HP, but it doesn't fucking matter as there's nobody to finish him off and by the time I reload I already have 4 fires on me and 30 torpedoes to dodge.because all my cruisers are too far away to be actually threatening to DDs, and enemy cruisers focus on me because lol dmg pinata.
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>>158928296
First one is a stalker and the rest are literal attention whores. Here's (You), you sad little deluded shitposter.
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>>158934685
Find div anon
Trust me anon, div'ing saved this game and BBs especially for me, even just a small amount of teamwork makes a pretty big difference in random battles
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>>158934527
The ending was literally FUCK YOU. Still salty.

>>158931620
I think calling Nurn "Königsberg 2.0" is giving it too much credit. It's more like "Königsberg 1.2" or something.
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>>158934057
have heard of many player complaining of DD smoke and HE
so igor makings of new meta
use commonwealth specialty of single fire torbedo so u can of new meta
smoke and shooting torps :^))))))))
>>
DE or SE on USN DDs?
Also why does it feel like Mahan's turrets traverse slower than Faget's?
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>>158935395
SE
You'll be brawling against other DDs and that extra health on high tiers will make all the difference.
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Is the fugitive deluxe or sharnhorst fully loaded option better?

I'm gonna buy something
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>wake up
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>>158935982
At least you didn't see the Lagafag samefagging on /a/.
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>>158935918
here's a option

buy the bote only then with whatever spare get some doooblooons
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>>158933907
a rn cl
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>start playing this game expecting to have fun with big battleship guns
>actually have the most fun playing a puny gunbote
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>>158920087
>>158920801
If you like Minekaze as she currently is you should buy Fujin (unless you have one of the other clones of course).

>>158922920
>18.1 km
>short
Some people grind out Amagi with that range.

>>158923064
Lo Yang is not top tier. She's just not as lethal as a Benson and getting good use out of hydro is pretty situational.

>>158925618
>>158925818
>easy
NA WR for the event is 10%

>>158929910
>TX carriers a rarity
>DDs in every match
I wonder why someone would spec hydro instead of DF…

>>158931620
>At least you can see progress in US and nip designs.

Furutaka
Furutaka with shitty torp angles
Mogami with a pyramid
Mogami
Mogami that shoots further

Tell me more

>>158935918
Make a copy of this doc and fill in the doubloon sheet with NA values, then you can use the calculator to figure it out :^)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JapnvYHgTRn1ndUlLD9eFiRMfeEc6Ufqf7RHVy4HEzk/edit?usp=sharing

The bundles are better value than buying separately, but if it's stuff that you wouldn't buy anyway, you're spending more than you otherwise would.
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>EU on suicide watch
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>>158937995
Benis.
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>>158937506
BB dispersion sucks dick
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>>158937995
>discord
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>Tier 7 Premium camouflage
>Added: -5% post-battle repair fee.
>Other attributes unchanged.

>Tier 8 Premium camouflage
>Now is -10% post-battle repair fee(previously -5%)
>Other attributes unchanged.

>Tier 9 Premium camouflage
>Now is -20% post-battle repair fee(previously -10%)
>Other attributes unchanged.

>Tier 10 premium camo
>Added: +100% experience earned in the battle
>Added: +20% credit earned in the battle
>Other attributes unchanged [-50% repair cost, regular camo benefits]
>Price: increased to 5000 dubloon(previous is 4000).

From:
https://sea-group.org/?p=1551&lang=en

Additional T10 benefits were previously mentioned by Sub_Octavian as something they were planning.
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>>158938775
>t10
>increased xp
for what pvrpose
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>>158938827
So that they can justify increasing the doubloon cost from 4000 to 5000.

>see tovarisch? you earn more XP at tier 10 now. please convert more free XP ))))))))))))))
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>>158938827
More captain XP
Or for good goys to covert to free XP
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>>158938775
Might buy this for my Benson desu.
Should've done it when they announced Ranked was T8.
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>tfw played through t1-9 us dd by blowing off steam in coop.
>afraid to shit up matches in regular as dd now.
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>>158935395
Using DE all the way to the Benson, sure SE is good but your total damage output will fall drastically on BBs and CAs as fire is easily 40-50% of the damage to those ships at T6-8.

For the Fletcher/Gearing SE is a must, the torpedos are decent so you can rely more on them for the big fish and the extra health helps when CVs have nothing else to kill but DDs at those tier.
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>>158933907
Plenty, and I meet once of those fuckers every day:

- USN DD that don't ever use her guns and try to torp from distance, bonus points if out of torp range too
- IJN DD that keeps trying to kill the 352HP DD with torps
- That massive cunt BB still with full health, behind an island in the furthest corner of the map when more than half you team is ded already, bonus points if he complain in chat about the team.
- A Bismark that have 1+ underage ships surrounding it but still focus his secondary fire on another BB
- Strike loadout USN CV, ALL OF THEM fucking useless piece of shit.
- That cunt in the New Orleans that never use radar and help the DDs even when they smoke him a nice path for the cap
- assholes that goes to a cap and nobody actually get the cap because a single INJ dd was spotted then, then the enemy just blitzkrieg over you spawn and you lose.
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>>158939270
You grinded to Fletcher in co-op? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>158939270
this shouldn't be possible

if we were talking about a event it almost makes sense but co-op is literally too dull and unprofitable for that
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>>158940546
>hat cunt in the New Orleans that never use radar and help the DDs even when they smoke him a nice path for the cap
Bonus points if he doesn't even have radar equipped.
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>>158938775
now I can run zao with all premium consumables even if I don't use them!
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>>158938775
>CVnts further nerf
yay? why not remove CAsual and CVnts flat out?
>>
>its a "your carrier leaves his fighters orbiting himself so he doesn't have to control them" episode
>you get bombed and torped for 15 minutes while you beg for help

should actually be bannable
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>>158941164
Why remove cruisers? Nobody likes carriers.
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>>158940870
My favourites are the ones who get to t8 and haven't used a consumable once
>never uses DF
>never uses hydro
>never uses radar
>never uses fighter/spotting plane to spot over islands
But then there are guys in Yamatos with sub 30% WR. Some people just won't learn how to play even after 3k+ battles
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>>158941264
How do you think the enemy team feels about their USN CV who doesn't get any fighters in the first place?
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>>158941719
still workable tho

no dork would get to high cv tiers without a clue that hes either gimped or how to do well on a crippled loadout
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>>158941264
IJN fighters are fucking worthless

>can't duel properly
>can't strafe properly
>will always lose

I just put them on auto on some random BB.
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>>158941719
Rather see that, than someone who refuses to give orders to something he has
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>>158941903
Here's your you

and it was a Friendly Hiryu versus a 0/1/3 Ranger, literally free plane kills
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>>158941881
Nice retarded mindset.
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>>158942016
Well, nevermind then. Thats dumb.

>tfw in Haku and you might as well be 0/3/3 because Midway will eat your planes for days
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what is the most accurate battleship, anons?
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>>158942104
The T4 beast, the kaiser.
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>>158942104
Yamato
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>>158942104
To-Ma-Tooooooooo
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>>158942104
Friedrich der Grosse, of course.

ON A WHOLLY COMPLETELY TOTALLY UNRELATED NOTE
Spot the top-tier BB (Friedrich der Grosse).
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>>158942104
T3 American BB, the St Louis
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>>158942218
You don't use increased range on Baltimore?
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>>158942332
Of course I do. The mod there is a static icon that doesn't take the module into account.
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>>158942171
>>158942219
dont meme me.
>>158942198
>>158942203
i believe you, time to be broke from t10 economy.
>>158942218
i'm on bismarck, does the dispersion get better?
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>>158942218
also spot the shitty Baltimore caught out in the open and isolated with no support
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>>158942198
>>158942203

No it's not you retarded weeaboo.
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>>158942456
I was playing delaying tactics with disappearing in and out while staying at range and about to play "B cap reset". Survived and got a kill, too, but nice try.
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WHEN???????????
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>>158942218
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>>158942553
Yes it is, you retard.
IJN BB are simply more accurate than USN/KM. And Yamato has biggest sigma of them all 2.1
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>>158942843
thats a useful position

it should be the bb on utmost east
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>>158942606
Oh please, you were out of position, stuck alone with literally 0 support and just as far away from the main group like the Freddy but sure, push the blame on everyone else but you.
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>>158942218
meanwhile Neptune has 3 kills and all you have is 60k damage done

nepnep is balans?
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>>158942953
Are you seriously comparing cruiser gameplay with BB gameplay? I fought a fighting retreat against 3 ships all the way back from A and delayed them from capping B for a few minutes because I can do that in a cruiser. Training/kiting people is part of the cruiser role.

Hiding behind a rock at max range and sniping at ships with your scout plane up is definitely playing BBs wrong.

>push the blame on everyone else but you.
I didn't even mention myself until you brought it up. All I said was "spot the top-tier BB".
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>>158943346
where do you think you are?

we are not just autistic in here

we are also elitist

you must be light blue and above to shitpost here. unicums get a free stalker too.
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>>158943337
Not as good as Atlanta, though, clearly.

>>158943412
>you must be light blue and above to shitpost here.
I guess I'll stay, then. :^)
>>
http://worldofwarships.asia/en/news/announcements/public-test-0514-patch-notes/

HAHA TIME FOR ANTIALIASING
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>>158943830
ARE YOU READY????
to kill your GPU with "quality")))))) WG coding
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>>158943830
hory shitto
it's a bullshot isn't it?
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>>158944027
Even if it looks only 1/2 as good as this it is still better.
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>>158944027
>>158943830
Holy shit this actually looks great.

Can't wait to play the early USN BBs again. Based lattice masts.
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>>158943830
clans on beta nothing on team battles.

rn CLits didn't got nerfed! but not fixed either
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>>158944641
Abrach, why do you love lattice masts so much?
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Good morning /wowsg/~

May you have a nice, antialiased, week!
>>
>switch to BBs from CAs
>wew, fires really are annoying
but then
>eat two citadels and three torps
>it's fucking nothing
>bow on and continue to tank dmg
>have less than half HP and I'm still dangerous
>in a CA I'd be wasding like a madman at that point and still get lazily clicked by some BB
So what's the cruiser role now? USN DDs are better DD hunters anyway and BBs don't need AA cover anymore.
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>>158944785
Why don't YOU love lattice masts?
Here, take a look at this and tell me she isn't CLASSY AF.
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>>158944832
useless ship
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OH SNAP WE SPOOKY NOW
>>
What are the keepers in the RU DD line?
>>
SPOOKY AS SHIT
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>>158945150
Maybe: Gnevny, Ognevoi, Udaloi
Definitely: Kiev, Khaba

Anything below T5 is not that amazing.
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>>158944832
Yamato was violated by planes like a slut, she's old, busted and ded
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>>158945269
thanks
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>>158945269
Izyaslav is a fine DD. It's not really representative of the 'national flavour' but it fits its tier well.

I would put Kiev in the 'maybe' list too. Her HP pool is a real handicap.
>>
>>158945502
Honestly, Kiev is fast enough and is in such a nice MM bracket that it really feels like a keeper.

If you go for the SE/DE/AFT build, then the health problem also isn't an issue.
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>>158944832
Will you buy premium camo for Hotel ingame?
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>>158940609
>>158940845

Pretty easy desu.

>premie acct
>run cv
>run sharnhorst
>run dd x2

Repeat. Grind 10k xp per line on an average day
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>>158945065
>tfwno Kongou gf
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>>158945551
The problem is you have to take AFT first, so you're waiting until 14 points to get SE. Personally, I found the fragility quite a shock after Ognevoi.
>>
>>158946083
Well, having AFT already unlocked by the time you get Kiev is probably a very good idea. It really helps if you can stay 13+ km away from anything that can fire at you.
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>>158946041
Arlios pls leaf.
>>
Sorry jeruk, my internet crapped out on me. Tell me if we won tho :^/

t.juju
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>>158946146
?
14 points is a lot to make a T7 work.
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>>158946385
Just use a dragon flag or two, it's worth it.
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>>158945269
Gnevny's rekt hard now that it can't bully low tiers anymore. You're looking at ine of the worst performing T5 in weekly stats.
>>
>>158944878

Only reason to play CAs is having a personal interest in them, or you enjoya playing on hard mode.

Both of which are valid,
>>
So is there actually any point, outside of having 1 of each for divisions, to owning and playing t9 and 10s?

I feel my t10s , like in tanks, would be hangar...or dock queens
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>>158943830
>The current Port will now be automatically changed to the Premium Port after Premium Account time is purchased.
For what purpose?
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>>158943830
>Nagato: Excessive 100 mm from barbettes inside the citadels on the aft turret have been deleted for the top hull.
Rape apologists BTFO
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>>158945619
No, I don't like the green camo on BBs.

And after all, lewd Hotel is best Hotel.
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>>158947234
what a sloot
>>
>Prinz Eugen and Admiral Hipper: The 1st and 4th main turret armor thickness has been increased from 60 mm to 90 mm.

This is going to fix everything!
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Don't die on me, fellow spooks
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>>158949254
>Everyone out doing exciting things on Hallowe'en
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>>158946819
>Nagato now has very soft insides
It only makes my penis harder.
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>>158949254
>>158949781
I ate one fun-size candy and its time for a nap
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Hm. With 50% reduction in cost and 20% increase in credits, will you be able to use T10 ships as credit grinders?
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Do you think those dead sailors trapped inside warship are already skeleton?
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>>158950280
they might be preserved under the briny water
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>>158950280
Probably a little less than that, at this point.
Apart from the ones that may have just suffocated in airtight bulkheads, those guys might still have their skeletons and a little more.
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>>158950280
Within a few weeks
Sea life is notoriously good at making people skelleymans
>>
Is this how /wowsg/ ends? Not with a thunder, but with a boo!
>>
>>158950280
Sea critters will eat the fleshy bits pretty fast. And then the bones will be dissolved by salt water within a few years.

They are less than skelly.
>>
This theme is quite comfy desu
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>Jingles owns that Hotel fig
Neat. I wonder who the other animugrills next to her are. They look like they are pantsless.
>>
Which ship name sounds the most menacing for you?
Izumo
>>
>>158947234
But with 50% cost reduction you can use Hotel like a cheap boat_
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>>158952164
I disabled it.
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>>158952331
As a buyf/a/g even I can't tell
Picture's too grainy, though odds are good it's more kancolle considering how he arranges the rest of his stuff
>>
>>158937968
>NA WR for the event is 10%
Source? I thought the event won't be reflected on a player's stats.
>>
>>158952382
Baltimore
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>>158952579
It came from a WG community leader dude guy.
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>>158952579
>>
>shards
>bottom spawn
>everyone goes A
way to make yourself as useless as possible fucktards
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>>158952331
>Jingles has that one Hotel figure
>Jingles is cool and comfy

>Abrach has that one Hotel figure
>Abrach is cool and comfy

I'm noticing a correlation here.
Are Hotel owners just the coolest, comfiest captains?
>>
>>158952851
>Jingles is shit@botes
>Abrach is shit@botes
You might be on to something there.
>>
>>158952734
Uh wow, that's pretty bad. Does this mean Asia has the best teamwork out of all the servers?
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>K-ON!
Huh. That's surprising.
>Mio
Acceptab-
>Yui
Unacceptable.

Who are those two above the K-ONs? Almost looks like Fafner characters.

>>158952851
Your Abrachboner is showing, Khanate.
>>
>>158952965
>Jingles
>Averagely good. Calls out baBBies and teaches them how to not get wrecked by torpedoes
>Shit

>Abrach
>top 3 /wowsg/
>Shit

????
>>
>>158953170
wowsg is shit, there are even people here who are dumb enough to fall for wavecuck propaganda
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>>158953030
>Implying I'm Khanate
>Implying I'm cute

>Implying I'll ever div with based Abrach
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>>158952382
Invincible
>>
>>158953236
Post stats kid. Show us what you got.
>>
>>158952382
Johnston
>>
>>158952382
>not Dreadnought

real OG
>>
How are the guns on stock hull Nicholas?
I just looked at the velocity and it seemed pretty crazy.
>>
>>158952382
Senjo

Too bad it was too nationalistic and caused massive butt leakage in chinese shills
>>
>>158953575
Second only to Moskva.
>>
>>158953575
They're good, basically Russian/Tier 7+ Japanese arcs. Still, their ROF is low, and gun engagements at that tier will be at ranges where shell arc is less important than ROF, so you're going to want to move on to the upgraded guns.
>>
>>158953453
Sorry pops, I don't division all the time so there's nothing to compare.
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>Haruna nendo
>Hiei nendo
>Hotel nendo
>???? nendo
>no Kirishima
Your botefu is very disappointed in you, Jingles.
>>
>>158953794
You know that Warships.today lets you look at solo stats, right?
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>playing Strike bogue with a langley
>go against a cancer bogue with a hosho
>even though he has two fighters groups fully upgraded against the cancer bogue I still manage to land 7 torpedoes, cause 3 floodings, land 12 bombs, start 9 fires, and kill a DD, a CL, and a BB
>post this in all chat
>his team turns on him and tells him to kill himself for being worthless cancer
>his team loses horribly
>he says "I did my job clearing the skies stfu scrubs"
>he killed 18 aircraft
>thinks he's a credit to his team

I sure hope none of you play AS.
>>
>>158953575
>>158953749
Adding to that, the 5" /38s you get with the upgraded guns will stay with through the rest of the line, so you might as well get used to it a T5 rather than T6.

Also, while the shell ballistics stay consistent throughout the line, you get better reload and lightning fast train rate once you reach Benson.
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>endless boteshit
jongles pls
>>
I HATE RADARS
t. a DD
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I love bong CLs

>Deleted 2 Danaes in a row
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Not bad

Now if I had gotten 250 of these in a super container we'd be talking
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>>158952331
>>158952851
>tfw that's the exact one I want but I'm too poor to get it
WG has tricked me for the last time.
>>
>>158955119
If you want signals, just pick the signals and camo container. I get ten signals on average from them.
>>
>>158955762
Well I don't want signals

I get enough of them already, I put them on almost every ship and I still have over 150 of each except for the solo warrior one
>>
>>158953930
That's actually not a Hotel nendo. It's a Hotel Medicchu
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>>158952851
Also yes, Hotelfags are the best dudes around who are nice and totally not crap at botes and everyone wants to be their friend
t.totally not a Hotelfag
>>
Ducky > Hotel
>>
>>158956806
did ducky ever kill one plane lmao?
>>
>>158954813
>>158952331

jingles confirmed for BASED
>>
>>158904861
B-65 should replace the totally fictional Zao as IJN T10 CA.

All USN CAs should drop 1 tier and Alaska as the new T10 to balance against Hotel Jr, while Cleveland gets moved over to a new CL line.
>>
>>158957457
>31cm guns on a cruiser
>>
Are gunbotes the easymode or am I just shit at playing other classes?
>>
>>158957538
Sure, why not? B-65 WAS a cruiser design. Alaska WAS a cruiser. And they wouldn't be railguns like Moskva's 220mm.
>>
>>158957457
>>158957814
If WG did that they'd also replace Moskva with Stalingrad for maximum Stalinium.
>>
>>158957814
BATTLECRUISER LINES RIGHT FUCKING NAO
MAKE CRUISERS GREAT AGAIN
>>
>>158957457
I'd rather have B-65 and Alaska added as T7/8s. Would be more fun to have more Scharnhorst-like ships at those tiers.
>>
>>158957957
not enough for a full line for Alaska anyway. It'd basically be Lexington, Alaska and that's really it.

inb4 Nelsonfag say something about Iowa and NorCal being battlecruisers.
>>
>>158957814
Pretty sure they were never really supposed to be the same as standard heavy cruisers though, they were kind of supposed to replace the Kongos in the fast battleship role.
They'd be better off as a Jap version of a Scharnshorst in a Battlecruiser line.
>>
>>158958062
There'd be the 14" gun and 16" gun versions of Lexington, but yeah.

Royal Navy is the only one that could get battlecruisers all the way from T3 to T10.
>>
>Chester
>St. Louis
>Phoenix
>Omaha
>Cleveland
>Pensacola
>New Orleans
>Baltimore
>Des Moines
Which one is your favorite cruiser out of these?

Which one is your favorite city out of these?
>>
>>158958221
St. Louis
Nawlins
t. never been to bugerland
>>
>>158958062
There were a shit ton of battlecruiser designs done by the US between the wars. Enough for 2-3 lines of nothing but battlecruiser concepts if WG really tried.
>>
>>158958314

last thing we need are more paper ships
>>
>>158958221
Pensacola (before German BB of course)
I really should start grinding Baltimore
>>
>>158958062
They could just make a split at some tier, they don't have to fill the entire line.
There are dead end lines and lines beginning at mid tier in WoT, why not here?
>>
>>158958181
T7 premium then, I guess. They'd be more fragile than Scharnhorst but faster and harder hitting. Same for Alaska as a USN premium, which would have monster AA if anybody still played CVs at mid to high tiers.
>>
>>158958221
Fireland
not a burger, Phoenix sounds cool
>>
>>158958413
I don't really mind the paper ships so long as they're not totally made up, and aren't put in before actual ships. If they get in a decent spread of lines in important nations in I'd really like to see an IJN and USN Battlecruiser line, even if they're not full lines
>>
>>158958413
No the last thing we need are fictional ships like Hindenburg and Grosser Kurfurst.
>>
>>158958413
Don't you want USN ships with absurd stats based on some engineer's wishes instead of actual performance :^)
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Alaska when?
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>>158958434
I'd say it should be T6 premium if it's going to be considered a BB, since it has much more in common with Dunkerque than it does with the Scharnhorst. It lacks its durability and torps, just compensating with slightly more alpha damage (500 damage more per shell, if South Carolina's 12-inch guns are any indication.) Dunkek's guns do even more damage, but it's clearly still outclassed by Scharn.
>>
>>158915781
>have an edinburgh firing at me in my slightly angled iowa for one minuite while Im busy with a bismark
>barely does any damage during that 1 minute of him constantly firing at me

They are complete shit. If they just gave them HE rounds they would be fine
>>
>South Carolina
>Wyoming
>Arkansas
>New York
>Texas
>New Mexico
>Arizona
>Colorado
>North Carolina
>Iowa
>Montana
Which is your favorite battleship of these?

Which is your favorite state of these?

>>158958842
in b4 Mako
>>
>>158958719
>that feminine bow
>those round cute asscheeks
>that slim figure
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>>158958719
>tfw no tiny Iowa
>tfw no tiny Hotel
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>>158958975
>>158958980
>>
>>158958965
>Iowa
>Colorado
>>
>>158958965
New Mexico
Iowa

Not a burger, but the name Iowa sounds real friendly. Though not as friendly as Ohio~
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>played since 2011 as a free account
>insufferable grinding, never any credits
>finally buy t7 premie ship and 1 month premium
>I've seen the light
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>>158959061
>>
>>158958980
Alaska's are basically just giant Baltimore's really.

Same hull shape, same secondary layout, same machinery subdivision and armor profile.

Just bigger.
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>>158958980
>we will never get a Moetel
>not even as a premium
Feel with me bros
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>>158958541
Plus there were lots of interesting paper ships from the 1920s that would've been real if not for the Washington Treaty.

Like this monster.
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>>158958980
>>158959061
>USN preserved Iowa-Class BBs
>Meanwhile motel is at the bottom of the ocean
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>>158959202
>that fat southerner stern
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>>158959343
Independent turrets when?
>>
>>158959343
>meanwhile the USN Scrapped the real hero of the war
>>
>>158959474
Maybe we should start with something less confusing, like the ability to lock your turrets in position you start battle.
>>
>>158959376
ALA BA MA SIR
>>
>>158959578
Meh, CVs are not as cool as BBs.
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>>158959474
They won't even let us lock turrets fore and aft, so probably never.

inb4 'too complicated for playerbase ))))'
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>>158959578
She ran out of luck
>>
>>158959376
Oh hey, it's the Indianapolis. :^)
>>
>>158959578
If she was such a hero she wouldn't have gotten scrapped.
How about you get your facts right. The Iowas were the real heroes of the war.
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>>158959945
>>
why does the test server patch so much slower REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>
>>158959578
It's just a glorified runway though. You don't call all the airbases where USAAF bomber raids set off from heros now, do you?

:^)
>>
>>158960153
>implying Henderson Field wasn't a hero
>>
>>158959376
>tfw no Alabama shipgirl

drawfags get on it
>>
Why are Hotelfags the nicest players around?
Is it because they have the best taste in botefus?
>>
>>158960330
>drawing a shipgirl that'll probably get its own shipgirl in kancolle
Don't want to risk getting attached to it like November did to his chinkshit.
>>
>>158960330
she had better have a big, round stern
>>
>>158960662
Its probably literally going to be years before Alabama would ever get put in.

We need an interim design, probably based off of Iowa.

but shorter and much more thicc
>>
>>158960153
I'd call a certain base on Tinian heroic ;^)
>>
>test server isn't up yet
FUCK
>>
http://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/kicksomearsnova/
>>
>>158961060
>100k base XP
so the same as the mission we just had for the camos basically?
ezpz
>>
>>158961060
>EU cucked again
JUST
>>
>>158960331
I'm nice and I'm not a brothelcuck you fucking shit
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>Boot up computer
>Launch browser immediately
>wtf is wrong with my monitor's colors
>Oh it's just 4chan being gay
>Go to quick reply box in lower right to blog

O*TUGEF*)$O&^OP$(#(*#HF*PJ($E(C)FUCK
>>
>>158959474
That would confuse new player))))
>>
>>158961410
Doesn't sound like it from that post.
>>
Takao is an Atagoy with out the premium income?
>>
Can Minotaur fire all three turrets forward at long ranges?
>>
>>158961621
and with no captain training ability
but yeah the bote is the same
>>
>>158961680
Why is everyone hyping a cruiser?
>>
>>158961782
Because the Atago is fun and one of the best T8s.
>inb4 cruisers are useless because i keep getting deleted in them
>>
>>158961680
It still gets the heal pot?
>>
>>158961970
Yes
>>
will i be able to get the ARP Takao (tier 8) with a tier 7 ship?
>>
>>158962060
>Must use a ship tier VI or higher
>>
>>158961676
maybe
Ibuki with range upgrade can
>>
>>158958221
Pensacola
I want to like New Orleans, but she just doesn't have that special something.

New Orleans is the only city of those ten I could tell you anything about, so I guess that makes it my favourite.

>>158958965
North Carolina

Colorado - it has the best flag of any US state by some margin.

>>158959474
The ability to send obscured turrets to the opposite end of their traverse would achieve 90% as much with 5% of the effort.

>>158962060
On EU, not likely.
>>
>>158962060
On NA yes. If you're a eurocuck, then you'll probably need a t8 for that
>>
>>158960331
Because only nice people would like the nicest girl.
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>>158962168
>New Orleans is the only city of those ten I could tell you anything about, so I guess that makes it my favourite.
Like that it's less seaworthy than the ship named for it?
>>
>Plan to progress 2-3 stars a day
>Rank 3, new PB
>Hyped AF
I really want to rush ahead now. Good idea, bad idea?
>>
>>158962168
>but she just doesn't have that special something
And what's pensacola's special something? Having higher detection range than a battleship?
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>>158961429
2spooky4u?
>>
>>158958221
which city is the whitest in all of those?
>>
>>158962168
>>158962230
fuck i am on EU, it is not even announced on the wows EU homepage.
>>
Middle East server when?
>>
>>158962317
>tfw don't give two shits about ranked but feel naked when everyone except for me has a shiny star on the scoreboard
>>
>>158962624
but EU is already here?
>>
>>158958221
It's a tie between benisgola and New Orleans. They're both comfy, though New Orleans is what Pensacola should be, just a tier higher.

All those cities are shit, though.
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>>158962427
Im going to have a fucking heart attack before the day is out
>>
>>158962525
Better rush to that t8 then.
Also, on EU it probably won't be piss ez "get X amount of XP". We'll most likely get some bullshit as the stages progress like "get X dmg; get X dmg in a single match; get X dmg, sink Y ships AND win the match; get X dmg, Y xp, get Kraken, Confederate and High Caliber and win the match twice in a row"
>>
>>158962823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj5AmLAZoXc
>>
>>158962823
>>158961429
ohgod I hadn't refreshed the thread
>>
>>158961410
This, brothelfags are worst cucks, their botefu is the most lewded by far
>>
>>158959202
>Montana
>how many: 0 (goddamn carriers)
kek
>>
>>158962906
You forgot that we'll have 2 days to finish all of that.
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>>158962921
nope
>>
>>158943830
>Permenant camo
>-50% to Service Cost
>+20% to Credits earned in a battle
>+100% for EXP earned in a battle
>mfw
>>
>>158959202
so-dak is so damn tiny
>>
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>>158962946
>the most lewded by far
Wrong boteslut
>>
>>158963103
She's compact; travel sized!
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>>158962946
Wow rude.
She is pure and cute and not that fun to play anymore ohgod WG please give me maneuverability I'll do anything you can even take my damage
>>
>>158963138
a man can't be slut
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>>158963103
>>158963203

:^ )
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Britbong cruisers:

yes because I would love to play the fucking Russian CA's again but this time with even less protection some-fucking-how
>>
>>158962525
>01 November - 01 January: LAST HURRAH OF THE ARP
>Our year with Arpeggio of Blue Steel is comingto an end
>To that end we are unpacking the highest tier ARP ship we are going to have - The Takao
>At the same time, we want to give you a chance to catch up with ARP ships in case you missed some during the year

I found this in the forums.
>>
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>>158963345
I need a shipgirl that's a good Texas Gal
>>
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>>158963313
wow check your privilege
>>
>>158963291
Yamato's armor is unmatches, but the japs giving it shitty angles on the athwartship and sides render it utterly useless.
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>>158963345
good god no
>>
>>158963345
w-what?
>>
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>>158963063
>>158962823
>>158961429
Open up your browser inspector and just delete the "spooky.662.css" line. Just don't press F5 for the rest of the day and keep using the [Update] link.
>>
>>158963576
>tfw people try to tell you to angle her
>>
>>158962416
Gunpower, twerkability and always being top-tier.

>>158962906
>>158963054
>Every ARP mission in the last 6 months has just been 'Stage 1: do X damage' 'Stage 2: do X hits'
>Mission duration: 1-2 months
?
>>
Should I have dedicated captains for my premiums or just leave them empty when I'm not using them?

>>158963613
Thanks bud
>>
>>158963412
>highest tier ARP ship we are going to have
I guess we're never getting ARP Yamato or ARP Lexington.
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Chinkolle has a good South Dakota.
>>
>>158963613
thanks senpai you saved me
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>>158963845
>ARP missions
Gee bill, how come Wargaming lets you have five Myokos
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T10 might not be amazing, but I did forget how much fun it is to play not-Senjo and spread my cleansing fire all over the enemy team

>>158963863
Leave them empty unless it's something like the Dunkek, you're literally always better off just slapping in a captain so they can get free captain XP
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>>158963412
no lexington, no yamato, no zuiho.

well, i guess atagoy already existed adn was a P2W ship so why not
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Have a Mo'
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>>158963863
>>158963895
You are welcome
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>>158963098
With the -50% service cost, Yamato's maintenance becomes 90k, putting her somewhere in between Amagi (75k) and Izumo (120k).

Add to that the +20% to credits (which stacks with the It's Just a Flesh Wound flag) and it basically makes a Tier 10 the equivalent of a Tier 8 to run.

It'll never be a money printer, but for the price of a Leningrad you'll be able to run a Tier 10 and consistently make at a small profit without a premium account, if you're a reasonably good player.
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>>158963412
>till 01 Januray
doubt we will have 1 month more for the same mission as NA. well i just hope a tier 6-7 ship will be enough to complete the mission.
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>>158964104
That doesn't look like Mogami, if you ask me
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>>158964163
It's a shame the Yamato camo is still the same godawful green puke as all the other IJN camos.
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>>158964163
You could already make a profit as it is (not a very good one but still), I'd probably get this because you'd get some pretty decent cash off playing her now, but it's 5k gold and looks like puke so I guess not.
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>>158964163
I've resorted to only playing my North Carolina in ranked games, rarely do I ever lose money in ranked games, and the xp is great too. plus guaranteed tier 8 mm is nice
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>>158959474
Confus((((((((((
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>>158952331
>>158952851
>decide to check out the prices for this because I might as well just give up and go full weeb
>seems to be either sold out everywhere or like 200+ kangaroodollars
what the fuck man
why does my currency have to be so shit
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>>158964104
I'd muddy her mo if you know what I mean
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>>158963863
>Dedicated captain when you're not using them
>Dedicated captain never gets used
Genius!
I'd only consider a dedicated captain if you were planning on using the ship for Ranked, aside from the obvious case where you're not grinding anything from the same nation.

>>158964307
You take that back.
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>>158964334
Honestly, the ship that will benefit from this the most is probably going to be Hakuryuu (and possible Midway), since its profit-damage ratio is much worse than the other classes and it doesn't really benefit from the new ways of earning money (potential damage being the most obvious) added in the economy patch.
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Finally got Amagi

She's pretty comfy, and love the guns
All three t8 BBs are pretty top tier
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>>158958221
cleveland

ive only ever been to new orleans and pensacola but the rest of those cities are shit if my observations are correct. especially cleveland.
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>>158964759
She's overall rather expensive no matter the currency.
The light version now costs 20% more than the original run.
The heavy version now goes for about double its original price.
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>>158965632
I originally wanted the heavy version but the first few prices I saw ranged from $500-700 so light version it is.
Guess it's time to stop buying so many premium botes so I can join the comfy Hotel club.
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>>158966160
why not buy a model of the actual ship instead of a silly anime representation
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>>158964759
>buying figs

Glad I got out of that ages ago.

All my kancolle figs are still in their boxes.
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>>158966251
I already have. She's just not anywhere near finished yet.
But you can never have enough QT Hotels.
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>>158963863
>Should I have dedicated captains for my premiums or just leave them empty when I'm not using them?
Depends on whether the premium needs different captain skills than the non-premiums from its line. For example Demo Expert is the only 4-point skill worth taking for Belfast but no RN ship has any use for it. But most premiums can share a captain with a non-premium.
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>>158966729
oh, aight then
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>T10 permacamo so Hotel can be a slightly better port slut oh god the jap green camo is growing on me please send help
>antialiasing that might actually work for a change
>ARP Takao finally coming to NA and the mission is easy as fuck
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>>158966729
What a beautiful fattie.
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I miss the killsteal missions.
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is it silly to have more than 1 captain on a ship you like? you know, like 2 captains that specialize in 2 different play styles.
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>>158964759
https://www.amazon.com/Max-Factory-Kancolle-Armament-Version/dp/B00N3FY41K

>made in China
Is this the right one?
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>>158911878
Emerald already has smokescreen. What it needs is better torps to make all those launchers actually usable. Or to just be replaced by Arethusa.

(It looks like a mini-Leander because that's exactly what it is.)
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Just got the ARP Hiei (my first t5, started playing 2 weeks ago)
What commander skills/upgrades should I get for her?
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>>158967423
no, why would it be?

At the very most it would involve training up twice as many captains at half the speed, meaning you have a half assed captain for longer.
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>NA events calendar
>ctrl+f belfast
>0 of 0
I AM GOING TO INJECT OPIUM INTO MY PENIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW WHAT THEFUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>158899908
>>we gon get a arp takao wich is a copy of atagoy
Best shipfu has arrived
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>>158968117
BoS, EM, SI, AFT
After those four you can take Vig, HA and MFCfAAA
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>>158968337
it's own pack is expected after hatehost is over

I'm still not certain if i should buy it. I'm on Bayern and the thing is suffering with its low speed
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>>158968640
The Scharn?
She's really fun, goes pretty quick, has nice guns. 10/10 would raid with again.
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>>158967783
I think so.
Only problem is it doesn't ship down here. One of the problems with not being a burger.
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>>158968640
>I'm on Bayern and the thing is suffering with its low speed
>I'm on this ship that is nothing like the rest of the line after it and I'm uncertain whether I should buy this almost completely different ship

???????????????????
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>>158968469
Ok, got it
Which upgrades should I get?
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>>158899908
>[BOTES]
Yes hello this is the true shadow leader of the clans NTR PLSGO GuP PZMOE AND BULBA, tioga060. I do not approve of this name, and forbid any members of clans under my shadow leadership from joining. Thank you.
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>>158969019
see I don't have a taste of what gnasal or hatehost should play as

so I duno if I would like them

I had a blast with German BBs up to the tier 6. it has been suffering so far.
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>>158969150
timestamp that banana and I'll consider it
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Is the nassau worth keeping?

Is it worth it to free xp to hakuryu?
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>>158968640
>Bayern
>low speed
>is actually the fastest t6 BB
I mean, I knew the NA players were bad but this is just sad.
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>yfw you see a yamato with SE
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>>158969286
>Is it worth it to free xp to hakuryu?
Yes
You should do it right now.
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>>158969314
>they're your only T10 BB
>they have the spotter plane
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>>158969312
>is actually the fastest t6 BB
????
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>>158969337
>free xp to hakuryu?
>Yes
>You should do it right now.
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>>158969312
>fastest T6 BB

pretty sure that goes to the dunkerque. anyhow its only faster than the fuso by a knot.
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>>158969476
>>158969523
>dunkerque
>BB
battlecruisers pls go and stay go
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>>158969286
its a very fun seal clubber, i believe it to be the best T3 BB by far.

no
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>>158968982
>Spec Main Battery Mod 2
>Forget you have torps
>Stay at range (get AFT as soon as you can)
>pew pew
You don't want to be the spearhead of the initial DD move. Let the USN DDs move in first and back them up with your longer ranged fire. Harass bigger ships from range.

Use your range and speed to avoid damage
>Fire
>full rudder
>half rudder to let your turrets catch up
>Fire
Do it right and you don't lose any dmg/s

Once you've got the BBs on fire, use AP if they show broadside.

>>158969130
Main Armament Mod 1
Aiming Systems 1
Damage Control 1

>>158969286
>Is the nassau worth keeping?
If you enjoy it, sure. You won't regret keeping it over any other T3 BB

>Is it worth it to free xp to hakuryu?
Considering a huge amount of XP is required to get all of Hak's modules, my guess is no.
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>>158969487
Goyim please stop trying to sway this anon from such a great deal.
There is nothing wrong with free XPing all the way to a T10 CV.
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>>158969312
Fastest in its tier doesn't mean it's actually "fast." Konig Albert's the fastest Tier 3 battleship, but nobody is going to argue that 21 knots is fast by any measure.
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>>158969487
>>158969337
That's like 25k gold. Is a hakuryu really worth $100?
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>the spoopy skeleton in the bottom corner stopped dancing
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>>158969614
WG calls it a BB, so while we play their game its gonna be a BB.
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>>158969614
Dunkerque was explicitly accepted under the Washington Naval Treaty as a battleship. You don't arbitrarily get to come up with your own definition of battlecruiser to cover your ass.
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>>158969337
It's never worth free exp-ing ships. People who do that shit are just enabling WG's shekelmaster management team.

Free exp is for skipping shit modules and stock hulls.
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>>158969314
>>158969456
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>>158969150
>GUP
Anyone here from GUP1, 2, or 3?
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>>158969314
>T7 in T9 game with mostly T7s
>only T9 on each team is an Iowa
>our Iowa is completely stock
>starting to lose hope
>first enemy ship spotted
>it's their fully upgraded Iowa almost on the blueline
>he has SE
>he's shooting with spotter plane
>we steamroll them
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>>158969907
probably. most of the people here are of subhuman intelligence. And or furfags like luger or holmes.
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>>158967282
She's a big girl
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if you are in a USN DD and you know theres an IJN DD sitting in a puff of smoke, is there anything wrong with just driving up to the smoke and slapping their shit? assuming you avoid their torps easy peasy.
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>>158971095
depends on if they have any friends nearby, but yeah usually your best course is to dive in there.

Most smart IJN captains will use it to drop spot and keep running because they know if they stop they're dead

luckily the amount of smart IJN dd captains is quite low
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>>158958867
Alaska's 12" guns had comparable ballistics to the NM's 14".
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>>158969314
nub question but what is SE
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>>158960330
?
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>>158971710
what in the utter fuck
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>>158971627
Even more reason to keep it T6 then. It still has 3 less guns than NM, and a worse frontal broadside than Dunk.
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>>158971704
Survival Expert
Gives +400 HP per tier, meaning at T10 it gives 4000HP. Compared to the ~100k base health T10 BBs get as well as all the effective health they get from heals it's a really bad idea to take for them, and when you see one with SE you can assume they don't know what they're doing.
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>>158971858
>Keep a ship with AA comparable to North Carolina or Baltimore in T6
>And larger guns than scharnhorst at T7

Brilliant idea. You've really thought this through.
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>>158971710
Is this where those fucking turret reaction images have been coming from?
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>>158972012
oh that, Didn't know what the abbreviation for it is
yeah if you have that on a BB you're goddamn retarded
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>>158969873
>free xp is for skipping shit modules and stock hulls
>Implying the entire CV line isnt shit
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>>158972020
>And larger guns than scharnhorst at T7
The Mikasa has larger guns than the Scharn at T2.
It's almost like there's more to the gun balance than just the caliber.
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>>158972020
>Keep a ship with AA comparable to North Carolina or Baltimore in T6
It has the exact same amount of DP guns as Cleveland, and the lower-caliber AA guns can also easily be handwaved like on Cleveland.
>And larger guns than scharnhorst at T7
every fucking BB from tiers 5-7 has larger guns than Scharnhorst, you stupid fuck. Are you going to complain that South Carolina has larger guns at tier 3 than scharnhorst at Tier 7 next?
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>>158969873
>just enabling WG's shekelmaster management team.

oh no. how terrible. what can we do to stop this horrible travesty?
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>>158972540
I wish there was a historically proven way to get rid of people who display such merchant-like behaviour.
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>>158971710
The hell am I looking at?
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>>158972465
>>158972514
I didn't realise you fucks were so dumb I had to explicitly point out that Alaska's larger guns were also better performing than Scharn's. My apologies, fucking dumbasses. They also have an insanely high rate of fire. It doesn't matter that they perform similarly to NM when she can shit out so many of them so quickly.

>same amount of DPs as Clevel
Wowee, that's also true of Baltimore and Des Moines. Let's just totally ignore the quad bofors all over the place on Alaska.
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>>158972937
basura
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>>158972514
Comparing shell diameter alone is dumb, since the Alaska's 12" would've performed on par with the older 14" guns found on the NM.

WG could easily pull things out of its ass to place the Alaska at T7 in order to charge more shekels for it.
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>>158973018
>pull things out of its ass to place the Alaska at T7
Like what? It has high mobility, good, fast firing guns, AA that puts Colorado and New Orleans to shame, and decent deck armor. Turning that into a viable ship in T7 doesn't require any ass pulls.
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>>158973018
>WG could easily pull things out of its ass to place the Alaska at T7 in order to charge more shekels for it

they don't even need to pull anything out of their ass

depending on implementation, Alaska, Stalingrad, and B65 can all be either T6 or T7 without real issue

but being T7 means they can charge more for it, and also makes it more attractive for players due to better moneymaking and matchmaking
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>>158972357
>IJN CV line
>Shit
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>>158973369
>CV's
>not shit
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>>158972943
>I didn't realise you fucks were so dumb I had to explicitly point out that Alaska's larger guns were also better performing than Scharn's.
So are the Dunkerque's, and yet it's a tier lower, you stupid fuck.
>They also have an insanely high rate of fire.
>http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_12-50_mk8.php
>2.4 - 3.0 rounds per minute
So you can balance that to a 25 second reload with 2.4 rpm, which is 4 seconds faster than Dunkerque, whose guns have a higher alpha and flatter arcs, and 5 seconds slower than Scharnhorst, which also has low-arc, high-velocity guns and also torps.
>Let's just totally ignore the quad bofors all over the place on Alaska.
And this would be the first time Wargaming have deliberately refused to add historical AA armament onto the ships for balance reasons, right? Do you think Iowa or Cleveland perform up to their historical abilities or have their historical mounts?

>>158973018
Yes, I agree. But even with performance akin to the NM, Alaska will still have one less turret. Also, WG does model alpha damage based on shell diameter, at least, which does matter especially when comparing broadsides (i.e. Alaska's 9 12-inch guns
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>>158973481
*(i.e. Alaska's 9 12-inch guns vs. Dunkerque's 8 13-inch guns and Scharnhorst's 9 11-inch guns).
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>>158973369
>USN fighters outclass IJN ones
>Not shit

If you don't get your strafe off, his fighters win and your TBs and DBs are at serious risk, gg wp no re
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>>158973247
>It has high mobility
So do Dunkerque and Scharnhorst. And it's not like WG actually cares about historical turn radius or diameter, otherwise Yamato would turn on a dime and Iowa would stop in seconds.
>good, fast firing guns
A little faster than Dunkerque, whose guns are slightly more powerful, and a little slower than Scharnhorst, whose guns are slightly less powerful. Seems balanced.
>AA that puts Colorado and New Orleans to shame
Easily nerfed.
>and decent deck armor.
Its armor is quite unexceptional if it's considered a BB, on par with Dunkerque's. Its deck armor is stronger than Scharnhorst, but its belt is much weaker (looking at 228mm vs Scharnrhost's 350mm)
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>>158973481
>So are the Dunkerque's, and yet it's a tier lower, you stupid fuck.
Wowee. Dunk doesn't have any fucking AA. It also doesn't blitz around at 33kt.
>So you can balance that to a 25 second reload with 2.4 rpm, which is 4 seconds faster than Dunkerque, whose guns have a higher alpha and flatter arcs, and 5 seconds slower than Scharnhorst, which also has low-arc, high-velocity guns and also torps.
>MUH FLAT ARCS
Alaska's super heavy shells are far fucking better than Scharn's pussy light weight shells. Meanwhile, they're only slightly lighter than Dunk's and trade speed for far better deck penetration. So they'd actually fucking do damage and penetrate shit unlike Schar, and they'd fire faster than Dunks. I don't see the issue here in regards to performing in T7.
>And this would be the first time Wargaming have deliberately refused to add historical AA armament onto the ships for balance reasons, right? Do you think Iowa or Cleveland perform up to their historical abilities or have their historical mounts?
Where the fuck have you been? Both NC and Iowa have their historical AA arrangements. They got them fucking ages ago.
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they call me king kongo
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>>158973754
What tier are we talking here? Because from tier VII you can literally just click your two squads onto his one and watch them die.

>>158973414
Taiho and Hakuryu really aren't though. The lower tier ones struggle when attacking higher tier BBs because muh AA but you can still do well if you're not lobbing your drops into NCs at short range.
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>>158974435
Tier 4-6

Basically the IJN CVs you'd want to skip anyway

If skipping them wouldn't leave you lacking a decent commander and the knowledge of how to even CV
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>>158974001
>So do Dunkerque and Scharnhorst.
And it has a far better powerplant than both of those relics.
>A little faster than Dunkerque
Dunk historically topped out at 2RPM. Alaska could achieve as high as 3 rounds per minute. Hmm. I dont know what kind of retard considers that to be "a little faster"
>Its armor is quite unexceptional if it's considered a BB, on par with Dunkerque's. Its deck armor is stronger than Scharnhorst, but its belt is much weaker (looking at 228mm vs Scharnrhost's 350mm)
Angling makes that belt armor plenty effective, it's not a problem In fact, the obsession with belt armor is retarded. It's far less likely to be hit than the deck. And at 4", that's most definitely good armor. Amagi makes do with less deck armor and only marginally more belt armor a tier higher.
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>>158974141
>Wowee. Dunk doesn't have any fucking AA.
You were talking about guns, but good job moving the goalposts. Again, AA can be nerfed.
>It also doesn't blitz around at 33kt.
It also has better and more guns.
>Meanwhile, they're only slightly lighter than Dunk's and trade speed for far better deck penetration.
Wowee, because plunging fire at a good angle is such a huge fucking issue in Tier 6-7? Hell, it's barely an issue in Tier 10 and wouldn't be if not for overmatch mechanics. Alaska's 12-inch guns aren't going to overmatch shit, and at standard engagement ranges you're not going to be hitting the deck at anything more than steep angles.
>So they'd actually fucking do damage and penetrate shit unlike Schar, and they'd fire faster than Dunks.
Yes, and they would fire slower than Schar and they wouldn't hit as hard as Dunk's. I don't see the issue here in regards to performing in Tier 6.
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>>158974141
>>158974001
To be honest I think it would be best balanced as a tier X heavy cruiser, kinda like Moskva but with slower RoF and better alpha.
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>>158961060
>not a 16 pts captain

Into the trash.
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>>158974719
>good job moving the goalposts
But his entire stance has been around Alaska's AA making it unsuitable to T6.
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Holy shit the desperate ameriboo straw grasping in this thread is so pathetic. Letterally can't stop laughing lol
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>>158974919
Yeah, you can easily see how desperate they're becoming these days.
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>>158974621
>And it has a far better powerplant than both of those relics.
Scharnhorst:
>3 Germania/Brown, Boveri & Co geared turbines
>151,893 PS (149,815 ihp; 111,717 kW)
Alaska:
>4-shaft General Electric steam turbines, double-reduction gearing,[5] 8 Babcock & Wilcox boilers[6]
>150,000 shp (110,000 kW)[4]
Wowweee, so much better.
>muh displacement
their displacement is also almost the same.
>Hmm. I dont know what kind of retard considers that to be "a little faster"
Not every ship fires at their maximum RPM. Fubuki historically could do 10 RPM, but even the upcoming buffed Akatsuki only manages 8 RPM. And based on
>http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_12-50_mk8.php
2.4 rpm would put its ROF less than Scharnhorst's 3 and Dunk's 2.
>It's far less likely to be hit than the deck.
In real life, not in this game and its low engagement ranges.
>And at 4", that's most definitely good armor.
It's good for a cruiser, but again, it's the same thing Dunkerque has and only marginally better than Scharnhorst's 95mm max.
>but muh splinter deck
WG doesn't model that.
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>>158952851
We don't care, Khanate. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>158974903
Yes, but that exchange was about guns.
>I didn't realise you fucks were so dumb I had to explicitly point out that Alaska's larger guns were also better performing than Scharn's.
>So are the Dunkerque's, and yet it's a tier lower, you stupid fuck.
And then suddenly he starts complaining about AA.
>Wowee. Dunk doesn't have any fucking AA. It also doesn't blitz around at 33kt.

But again, AA can be ahistorically nerfed. Cleveland underpeforms in terms of AA for balans))))), nothing says the same can't be done with Alaska's.
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The last time WoWSG talked about where to put Alaska they unanimously said T7 because of the AA. What happened?
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>>158975249
Carriers ceased to exist at mid tiers.
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>>158975249
>>158975313
and no more 2v2 cv matchups
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>>158952851
>tfw no decent Fusou figurines
>tfw no Fusou figurines in general
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>>158975249
Look at it this way. Who has ever bought a BB from the premium shop on the basis that "it's got great AA" in this day and age? Sure, it's a factor, but nobody's going to buy Anti-aircraft battleship Jean Bart with a single quad 340mm gun, 34 DP guns and a grand total of 80 Bofors.

At a time where carriers are a bigger worry for DDs and most cruisers than it is for Battleships, other issues come into play, and it boils down to the relative strength of its guns, armor and maneuverability.
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>>158975719
I'd buy that, 34 DP guns sounds hilarious with a secondary spec
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>>158953346
>based
>only plays with anons if they gift a premium ship

I invite him everyday and he never accepts.
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>>158975106
Fubukis max sustained RoF was 6-8. The shell hoists were too slow to keep up beyond that point.
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>>158976093
To be fair, that does look like a lot of secondary memes.
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>>158969845
>WG calls it a BB
WG also calls kongo a 'BB', which is just as wrong.

Functionally, Dunkerque is a battlecruiser, no matter what anybody chooses to call it.

>>158969846
>Dunkerque was explicitly accepted under the Washington Naval Treaty as a battleship
The naval treaties made no distinciton between battlecrusiers and battleships, both were simply considered 'capital ships'.
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Caved and bought a scharnhorst.

Premium stats aside, probably the most fun ship I've played.
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>>158976197
Sure, but I don't think that Alaska's gun crews could have sustained its 3 RPM rate of fire either.
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>>158976212
ill call it a battlecruiser in-game once WG makes a battlecruiser category and puts the dunk in it.
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>>158976484
Raider-chan is possibly the most fun ships in the game, especially for people that like cruisers and BBs.
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>>158976652
>hunt cruisers as they bounce
>hunt bb with torpedoes
>great fun
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>>158976212
>WG also calls kongo a 'BB', which is just as wrong.
Fully upgraded Kongo reflects upgrades in armor co-requisite to its designation as a fast battleship, and I defer to the classification of the class' creators (well, the creator of 75% of the class) than to you. Amagi would have been a better argument to use.

>Functionally, Dunkerque is a battlecruiser,
By what logic? It's not like the battlecruiser's roles (turning the enemy battle line, chasing pursuing fleeing ships and defending from commerce raiders) are particularly well-defined in World of Warships.
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>>158976212
Wasn't post refit Kongo actually just a fast BB though?
She'd be pretty up-armored by that point.
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>>158976130
Fuck off tioga
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>>158976547
12" guns had been able to make 3 RPM in nineteen fucking twelve. I'm fairly sure they could in 1945.

>>158977079

Kongo still only had an 8" belt at its thickest.
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>>158977162
3 RPM sustained. I imagine the 2.4 rpm part of the listed 2.4 - 3 RPM for the 12 inch mark 8 was written for shits and giggles.
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>>158977162
Japs still classed her as a fast BB though, and that has to count for something.
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I don't understand anymore, what are you people arguing about? About Alaska being too good for T7? Or about it being too bad for T7?

Alaska makes far more sense at T7 than at T10. Roughly equal to Scharnhorst, and whatever advantages it has can be worked around by BALANS. And WG gets to make shekels out of her by releasing Guam as a prem T7, with Alaska coming up as part of a future battlecruiser line, years in the future.
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>>158977292
Wouldn't those extra few seconds between 2.4 and 3 RPM be down to errors in drill more than anything else?
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>>158977416
I don't think anybody seriously argued that it should be at T10, though. It was more whether that it was a T6 (on account of its low shell damage relative to Dunkerque and the relative squishiness/lack of torps compared to Scharnhorst) or T7 (on account of its gun performance, speed and AA advantages over Scharnhorst and Dunkerque).
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>>158977162
>12" guns had been able to make 3 RPM in nineteen fucking twelve. I'm fairly sure they could in 1945.
What is the US navy?
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>>158977781
>What is the US navy?

????
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>>158977579
It's not stated, so who knows. But according to navweaps Scharnhorst should have a 3.5 rpm, so proportionally, I doubt Alaska, if added, would have its full 3 RPM either, whether it be in T6 or T7, especially if its shell performance is as superior to the Scharnhorst's as argued here.
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>>158977416
Seems like it's basically around whether she should be a BB at T6 or T7.
There's basically agreement on the fact that she (along with the Scharn and B65) wouldn't really fit at the end of a cruiser line, and it would just come down to a mid tier BB which takes a playstyle that's closer to cruisers like the Scharn is currently.

Although if anything, between this and the popularity of the Scharnhorst it seems like people genuinely like/are interested in BBs that aren't totally slow lumbering turds, and even with a bit less potent guns a ship with some maneuverability is fun. I just wish WG would maybe do something similar for high tier BBs, because I don't think there's anything in this game that I want more than a Hotel that's a bit more maneuverable and zippy, even with weaker firepower. Maybe I'd have more fun in her again like that.
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>>158977781
The United States Navy (USN) is the naval warfare service branch of the United States Armed Forces and one of the seven uniformed services of the United States. The U.S. Navy is the largest, most capable navy in the world, with the highest combined battle fleet tonnage. The U.S. Navy has the world's largest aircraft carrier fleet, with ten in service, two in the reserve fleet, and three new carriers under construction. The service has 328,194 personnel on active duty and 101,199 in the Navy Reserve. It has 272 deployable combat vessels and more than 3,700 aircraft in active service as of February 2016.

The U.S. Navy traces its origins to the Continental Navy, which was established during the American Revolutionary War and was effectively disbanded as a separate entity shortly thereafter. It played a major role in the American Civil War by blockading the Confederacy and seizing control of its rivers. It played the central role in the World War II defeat of Imperial Japan. The 21st century U.S. Navy maintains a sizable global presence, deploying in such areas as East Asia, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East. It is a blue-water navy with the ability to project force onto the littoral regions of the world, engage in forward areas during peacetime, and rapidly respond to regional crises, making it an active player in U.S. foreign and defense policy.
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>>158977970
Scharnhorsts "supposed" RoF of 3.5 wasn't even quoted by the manufacturers of the gun as being possible. That's the mechanical limit of how fast the design could cycle in a perfect test environment. 3.0 was the sought after, and achieved maximum rate of fire.
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>>158977016
>By what logic?
By its intended role, and the enemy ships it was built to counter, namely the German panzerschiffe.

Those were, functionally, cruisers, and the role of the battlecruiser is to counter those cruisers by being as fast or faster, more heavily armored and armed.

So while these ships were called a great many things, they were functionally battlecruisers.
>It's not like the battlecruiser's roles (turning the enemy battle line, chasing pursuing fleeing ships and defending from commerce raiders) are particularly well-defined in World of Warships.
Fun fact: Of the things you listed, BCs were only ever capable of the latter, and marginally capable of the second under favorable circumstances.

Any contact with the enemy line (to surround it, or to push away the enemy screen), even when used as the vanguard of a massively superior force deplayoed in a superior tactical position,resulted in desaster.
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>>158978386
God dammit panzer.
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>>158978302
>http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_11-545_skc34.php
Well it says 3.5 RPM, so between the sources cited there and what you're saying I don't know what to think.
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>>158978386
Are you doing this unironically?
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>>158978687
Aye
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>>158978516
There are videos of Scharnhorsts and Gneisenaus engagement of Glorious and her destroyer escorts. The firing cycle of the guns in those videos is never less than 20 seconds, and sometimes nearly as long as 35 seconds.
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>>158978386
>that smug
based
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>>158978754
>schanhorsts and gneisenaus
but its just the scharnhorst and the gneisenau, of the same class.
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>>158978754
Any vids of Alaska's guns firing in ship to ship combat?
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>>158978896
>>158978754
nevermind i just realized i have a poor grasp of english
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>>158979054
Considering they never fought an enemy ship because the entire IJN was on the bottom of the ocean by the time they entered service, no.
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>>158978386
>Smugface
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>>158978386
not leggy enough
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>>158978435
>Those were, functionally, cruisers, and the role of the battlecruiser is to counter those cruisers by being as fast or faster, more heavily armored and armed.
Would you argue that the Scharnhorst class, designed partially as a response to the Dunkerque, a battlecruiser, then? They certainly fill the same niche as Dunkerque in-game.
>Fun fact: Of the things you listed, BCs were only ever capable of the latter, and marginally capable of the second under favorable circumstances.
Yes, but these were the intents of the designers of the battlecruiser, at least in Britain. By your previous argument (i.e. intended role, intended counters) intent is what determines a ship's classification.
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>>158979417
Did they shoot some allies? Burgers tend to do that when they get bored.
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>think about playing ships all day
>come home
>dont play ships and just post in the thread

does anybody else know this feel?
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>>158980321
yes
except half the time I haven't left the house to begin with
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>$25 for a tier 5 premium ship
Does Fujin make more money and xp than the other tier 5 premium botes or why is she so expensive?
In b4 because goyim buy anything WG throws at them
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>>158980321
I've been doing straight out the opposite
>think about not playing ships and instead go watch tv, sleep and catch up on other hobbies
>come home
>play ships and grind for crates

Please help
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>>158980321
I can kinda relate. All day long at work I wish I was at home playing boats, yet when i get home I can't be arsed to play boats or anything else for that matter.
Is this what they call "becoming adult"? Because if it is, I want to stop.
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>>158980275
We'll liberate the shit out of you, though.
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>>158966729
>you will never have an IRL Hotel in your life
;_;
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>Fuck yeah, a super container
>It's 50 nazi pajamas camos
Thanks wargaming
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>>158980560
Still better than living under krauts desu
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Fucked that up.
>>158979919
>>158978435
Actually, it doesn't matter, I don't think your categorization of Dunkerque and post-remodel Kongo as battlecruisers based on intended role is correct.

If you say that Scharnhorst is rendered a battlecruiser by its intention to outspeed and outfight the Dunkerque, then surely the Italian Littorio-class also constitutes battlecruisers, built to outspeed, outgun and outarmor the Dunkerques. By association, we must also consider the Richelieu-class, intended to counter the Littorio, also as Battlecruisers, and we come to the conclusion that Italy and France have not built a single battleship since the first world war. This is obviously false, overbroad at best.

If you say that Scharnhorst is excluded due to not being designed to counter a cruiser/commerce raider, I would bring up the Lexington-class battlecruisers, which fill none of your roles other than to challenge fellow battlecruisers, the Kongo. By a narrow definition of what a battlecruiser entails, Lexington is not in fact a battlecruiser, in spite of the explicit designation by the United States Navy otherwise.

Either way, I can only come to the conclusion that your definition of battlecruiser based on intended role is ill-defined, because it either excludes what are most definitely battlecruisers, or includes ships that were clearly fast battleships (which you refuse to consider Dunkerque and post-refit Kongo as). If their intended roles are either insufficient or way too broad for sufficient categorization, the only remaining way we can determine whether a capital ship constitutes a battlecruiser in any unified fashion is the classification by its creators, and both Dunkerque and post-refit Kongo were considered battleships. Hence, final hull Kongo and Dunkerque are both Battleships by name and role.
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>>158980489
What kind of hobbies anon?
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>Prinz Eugen player complains the game is shit and doesn't have enough content, while wishing it got more updates like warplanes did
Spooky shit happens on Halloween.
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>>158980485
Because Minekaze is about to be nerfed and WG doesn't nerf Premiums
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>>158983109
Warplanes gets updates? They still haven't given up?
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>>158983109
Is this player supposed to represent some sort of retardation singularity?
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>should probably play at least five games tonight to get the event win bonus
>no will to play

fug
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>Play BB
>Sit back but move behind team playing it safe
>Get yelled at by team and reported for sniping
>Move with team but up front tanking
>Die by HE and torps
>Get yelled at by team and reported
What am I doing wrong?
One guy even brought up the Japanese BB Doctrine but I shot that down.
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>>158984201
tank but dodge torps
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>>158984201
What you're doing wrong is listening to them. Adults only listen to the people who agree with them.
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>>158984201
>listening to random shitters
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>>158984201
Don't listen to randoms.
You do have to push, but there's no point in doing that if you're just gonna get killed.
You don't push into a blob of enemies. You exchange shots and wait them out at max-mid range until their numbers have dwindled, either from losing ships or going somewhere else, enough to allow you to push with a big enough numbers/quality advantage to ensure you won't get killed easily and/or gratuitously.

Also, div up with fellow /wowsg/s. It's easier to get the timing and support for a push when you have reliable players working with you.
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watch OJ right now

Delicious tears, he's losing it right now.
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>>158985120
>>158984487
>>158984414
I don't listen to them, but it's funny how nothing works when you solo queue. There's always that one dumbass that thinks he knows everything and you're the shitter fucking over the team. Playerbase is toxic.
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>>158985439
Record it
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>>158968640
Scharnhorst is great fun. But then I loved Dunkerque, so obviously a ship that's just as fast but has actual armor would click with me.
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GONE NUCLEAR
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>>158985731
imagine being payed to stream a dead game about boats
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Sorry Balki, game crashed and something came up IRL.
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>>158985731
IM WILD
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What do the T8 USN CA and New Orleans, USA have in common?

They both spend most of their time underwater!
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Someone shoop Phantom Snake on him
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>>158985441
>Playerbase is toxic.

This is pretty much every f2p playerbase though. Some minor differences here and there of course, but pretty much every one is a cesspool.

What's even more depressing is that WG games aren't even as bad as many of the other ones. Since they're generally aimed at a slightly older demographic, you're more likely to get some dumbfuck who thinks they're the reincarnation of Halsey rather than an eleven year old who thinks he's some sort of esports god.
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>>158985731
>>158986271
No one should give a shit, and I don't think they do except you, Raptor.
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>>158986224
he he
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Thirteen minutes into the match and your dead teammate slams you with this steel trap of a logical argument. How do you respond?
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>>158985532
https://streamable.com/l9ng
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>>158986456
Is that it?
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>>158974141
>>158973481

This IMHO
>>158974751

You can tell just by looking at the AA gun arrangement on the Alaska that its more cruiser than battleship, they are arranged in the same way they are on other USN cruisers like the Celeveland and Des moines

Once they more cleveland into the CL line they can move all USN cruisers down a tier and add the Alaska as the T10
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>>158986327
Not me famalam, only time I watch OJ is when people tell me he's bitching or if we find him in game.
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>>158986440
i am more useful alive than dead
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>>158986440
Vague pronoun and out of context. He could be referring to the enemy team, the enemy team's DDs, or as you seem to imply, his teammates.

I like to think it's not that last one.
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>tfw successful torpedo drive-by.
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>>158987014
Oh hey you didn't die.
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>>158986931
>I like to think it's not that last one.
Here's a hint, all the enemy DDs were dead in the initial cap rush.
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>>158982125
I agree that this point can be argued, but hear me out:

Post-refit Kongo is a fast battleship, by intended role and by use, though I do have to point out that the Kongos were hopelessly outmatched even post refit, and the IJN knew this. They served as meatshields for the cruisers in the decisive battle, and the IJN accepted that the fast battleships would attack together with the cruisers, and possibly be destroyed.

Now, the Dunkerques.
There are two things that make me consider them as battlecruisers.

The first, and more important one, is that they were built to counter cruisers. They were built as a direct response to the German panzerschiffe, which of course defy the rigid Washignton cruiser definition, but since they do what crusiers do, and are as big as crusiers are (and were eventually called that by mst navies) I think can be called cruisers.
The second characteristic is their armor. They are armored specifically to make the guns on their intended (cruiser) prey inefective, but by far not armored enough to survive against any of the existing battleships with their 14", 15" or 16" guns.

This is exactly the battlecruiser as defined by Fisher in the 1910s.

Anyway, I didn't want to be contrarian or post clever ruses.
Have another not-a-battlecruiser.
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>>158986629
Since when was a ship's class decided by its AA setup?

Either way, I think that putting at Tier 10 does the Alaska a big disservice. At that tier, 12-inch guns really don't mean all that much. It can pen Iowa at close range, but practically every cruiser currently in-game can do that. Its DPM would be terrible.

At (let's be generous, 10,500 AP damage, equal to the New Mexico's 14-inch guns), 9 of them at the maximum possible 3 RPM brings you to 283.5k maximum DPM. To compare, Hindenberg has 424.8k. Moskva has 302.76k. Des Memes has 450k. Even Zao has 285k, and its specialty is HE.

Similarly, assuming a 5000 damage HE shell, your theoretical maximum is 135k. That's compared to 179.5k on Zao, 252k on DM, 180k on Hindenberg and 160k on Moskva. the 12-inch Fire chance for the South Carolina and Wyoming is 23% at most, compared to 19% on Zao, so it's not a huge improvement. Add this to the fact that you're throwing a lot fewer shells, so you're rolling the dice way less than the worst of them, and that means you're going not going to have a significant advantage in getting fires going.

I'd like to see Alaska get added, but in its current state the DPM is laughable, its advantages in penetration insignificant, and its maneuverability unexceptional. the only thing really going for it would be its armor.
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>>158988278
DELET THIS
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>>158988301
Well say they give it 10k detection and the same agility as Moskva, plus 20k main gun range?

Sounds pretty comfy to me.
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>>158988379
>German and British girls had a slightly rough game in the North Sea
This is perfectly normal and healthy.
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>>158988653
And I bet you call the Bongs' foul play of sinking the German fleet a case of "overzealous celebration".
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>Be RN, his majesty cruiser Danae, serving the king and country
>Stoicly sailing towards the enemy, spot jew killer Battleship
>Never fear, Britannia rules the waves
>Nazi cunt opens fire
>All the shells connect, ship blows up in an instant

Somehow this game got one thing right
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>>158988278
>Post-refit Kongo is a fast battleship, by intended role and by use
>They served as meatshields for the cruisers in the decisive battle
While they did do this in real life, I would argue that the absence of a full gun battle with battle lines does not preclude their categorization as a battleship, given they (unwisely) chose to slug it out with American Fast Battleships fulfilling the exact same role.

>The first, and more important one, is that they were built to counter cruisers.
But I think this goes back to the question of Scharnhorst, which was built not to counter cruisers (though it could and did play the role) but to be able to fight the Dunkerques on open grounds, and the ensuing questions about what a cruiser entails.

>This is exactly the battlecruiser as defined by Fisher in the 1910s.
But I think this is playing into my arguments, that battlecruiser definitions and roles are not the same across nations, even if they had a similar concept. The Kaiserliche Marine had a far stronger emphasis on survivability than the British, leading to the differences in performance at Jutland. The Americans designed the Lexingtons primarily to worries of enemy battlecruisers turning their battleline, and their emphasis was entirely on countering enemy battlecruisers rather than cruisers. When the very definition of Battlecruiser differs by nation, I think that we should default to the judgement of the designing nation when it comes to what they categorized and consider a battlecruiser for that reason.

I mean, this isn't a concept I'm going to fight tooth or nail over, but I think there's enough ambiguity in the Kongo and Dunkerque classes that you can't exclusively categorize them as a battlecruiser or battleship.
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>>158988987
Don't fight BBs unless they're fighting something else.
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>>158988942
>the Bongs' foul play
What foul play?

>sinking the German fleet
As usual, the German ships only scuttled themselves, what are you talking about?
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>>158989220
Easy, when half the ships are BBs and you die the second they stare at you.
Is Leander decent at least?
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>>158989295
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>>158989440
Leander is okay if the enemy is stupid enough to show you their sides. If they're smart enough no to, the ship gets bullied even by DDs.
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>>158988301
>Since when was a ship's class decided by its AA setup?
Since when was a ship's AA setup not one of several factors used in determining its tiering?

Unless WG wants to go full ham in trying to squeeze it into T6 as a BB by totally gutting it's AA, it would be essentially untouchable by any T7 CV and a handful for T8 CVs, not to mention the poor saps in T5.

Also, WG has explicitly said cruiser guns cap out at 22cm. 12"/30.5cm is totally out of the question for a cruiser. It ain't happenin and ain't worth talkin about.
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>>158989086
>the absence of a full gun battle with battle lines does not preclude their categorization as a battleship
No argument here, the IJN knew that the 'pure' BC that Fisher had imagined was not a workable concept, which is why the rebuilt the Kongos. But like I said, no amount of rebuilding can get them up to a level where they could face 1930s fat battleships and live. In the decisive battle, their role would have been to buy time for the cruisers.

>But I think this goes back to the question of Scharnhorst, which was built not to counter cruisers (though it could and did play the role) but to be able to fight the Dunkerques on open grounds, and the ensuing questions about what a cruiser entails.
Here's the thing: Scharnhorst is essentialy in the same spot the German WW1 'battlecruisers' were.

The HSFs Scouting Group were built to counter battlecruisers, but ended up as . . .well, 'fast dreadnoughts', sort of. They fought the British BCs, but were never meant to go out and hunt down enemy cruisers.

OK, yes, Scharnhorst (and Bismarck, and 'H') were all meant to not actually fight enemy battleships unless tehy had to and mainly kill merchantmen, or kill merchantment with their fuckhuge secondaries while they were fighting off enemy warships with their main guns, so we could now go and say that they're all just the world's biggest commerce raiders that were incidentally armored and armed to drive off enemy BBs that might be escortign the convoy. . .

Which would drag us into a classification nightmare, so let's not do this.

What I mean to say here is that intended role can only take us so far, actual role often ends up being a meaningless factor (Iowas escorting carriers, Dunkerque doing njthing, Tirpitz getting bombed for a couple of years, etc.) nd we have to look at the construction of the ship.

Which is what makes me consider Scharnhorst a Fast Battleship, because the armor protection is meant to offer a some protectio from 15" (or thereabouts) shells.
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>Go look at the new permanent camos for tier X ships
>US, Nazi and Slavshit ones look pretty nice
>Yamato's is another green abomination just as bad as the regular ones

REEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>158990425
How can you ever call a ship with tiny guns like scharnhorst a battleship? You kinda need to have big guns to be a battleship, not just armor.

Scharnhorst is a special snowflake of a warship.
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>>158988545
>But like I said, no amount of rebuilding can get them up to a level where they could face 1930s fat battleships and live.
To be fair, I don't think this is because they were battlecruisers, but that they were built in the early 1910s. I don't think Fuso, Bretagne, New York or Iron Duke would have fared much better in Kirishima's unenviable situation fighting South Dakota at extremely close range.

>Which would drag us into a classification nightmare, so let's not do this.
Fair enough. I think we both agree that Battlecruiser is a very questionable and open term at any rate.
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>>158990793
Scharnhorst is a beautiful masterpiece
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>>158990425
(cont)
°The armament was initially more in the BC camp, but it was planned from the very start to have the option of up-gunning them to 38 cm, which makes them fast BBs rather than BCs

But:
>>158989086
>I think there's enough ambiguity in the Kongo and Dunkerque classes that you can't exclusively categorize them as a battlecruiser or battleship.
This, and I have to ultimately agree.

The IJN were the first to realize that the BC was not a good idea and that the line needed to be fast. Iif you look at the Amagis you clearly see this, and the Kiis were essentially the first fast battleships, even though they never made it past the drawing board.

All in all, I'd advise against using each nation's individual classification system, mostly becuase this ends up as a terrible mess.

I still stand by the original point, the Dunkerques were rather lightly armed and armored, and most certainly fall more on the battlecruiser end of the spectrum.
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>>158990395
>Since when was a ship's AA setup not one of several factors used in determining its tiering?
Since Cleveland was added.
>Unless WG wants to go full ham in trying to squeeze it into T6 as a BB by totally gutting it's AA
See above.
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>>158990793
see
>>158991272

I ran out of room, because Mr nintendo only lets us have 2k characters.
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>>158991004
>South Dakota
I mean a South Dakota class, of course.
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>>158990538
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Iowa is for fuckin homo's tbqh
https://my.mixtape.moe/xkhvwr.mp4
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>>158992182
>masculine bow
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>>158992182
what does a feminine bow look like?
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>>158992182
Neck yourself Mako.
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>people still respond to the nelsonfag
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>>158992887
>>158993160
>>158993452
>feminine bow
>sleek and stoic non-cluttered muricam tower
>3 xs 3 16in guns
>chaste
>14.7in belt because not a slut
>refined and elegant smoke stack
LITTERAL PERFECTION
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>>158993642
i think this is the most bland ship ive ever seen in my life, it looks like a shitty art piece.
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>>158993754
This art might be more your speed you poor uneducated cuck :^)
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>>158991004
>>158991406
>I don't think this is because they were battlecruisers, but that they were built in the early 1910s.
>Bretagne, New York or Iron Duke would not have fared much better in Kirishima's unenviable situation
Yeah, though I have to say that the IJN had some rather questionable design choices going on there (internal subdivisions, or rather the lack thereof), and they had a chance to fix some of those deficiencies, but simply did not becuase they didn't listne to their fuckign research department.

If we ever get enough processing power to casually run physically correct simulations of such complex scenarios, I'd really like to know how a number of Bayerns would have fared in that situation, or maybe the 1st Scouting Group.

Sorry, I know this is really fucking nerdy shit.

> Battlecruiser is a very questionable and open term at any rate.
Hell yes. Dreadnought, battlecruiser, superdreadnought, fast battleship, and no clear definition in sight.
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>>158993797
no thanks, this is more my speed.

good to know youre as dull as your tastes are though.
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Ships with beautiful towers?
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>>158993642
I'll be generous here and grant you the tower and give you a barely passing grade on the stack.

The guns are nothing special, the protection as a whole questionable at best, and being chaste with those looks is pretty understandable, not wanting to be mean here, but c'mon.

But the bow?
Sorry m8, I realize you love the D, but everyone else here can keep those genders apart, and you got them ass backwards.
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o-okay
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>>158994098
>>158994261
Your gay my kid. very uneducated and gay at that my dude. I mean you like a shitty arab cosplaying as a roman which the small penised germanbloods immortalized ffs. Should probably neck yourselves now tbqh
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what the fuck is a masculine or feminine bow
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>>158994127
Best Pagoda
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>>158994503
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>>158994127
Why did they turn the #3 turret around for Fuso but not Yamashiro?

>>158994348
That's a great signal for DDs.
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>>158994474
>saint george
>arab

what did he mean by this?
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>>158991285
Where's the part where AA isn't one of several factors?
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>>158994581
>tfw you will never get to ride in that pagoda
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>Iowa bow
>Wide at top
>Thin in middle
>Wide at bottom

>Masculine
the fuck kinda man is this
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>>158994849
The part where they squeezed a cruiser whose AA went far beyond tier 6 into tier 6 and then consistently and ahistorically nerfed its AA in order to fit the tier, rather than

Sure, it's a factor, but a minor one and one that they've openly admitted they are willing to subvert for tier balance compared to anything else.

Point being, if WG wants to squeeze Alaska with its amazing AA into tier 6 and/or tier 7, it would certainly have precedent for doing so.
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>>158994503
straight = masculine
curved or inclined = feminine

tl;dr there are a number of very unfortunate British ships that look like shit
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>>158995353
They'd only do that if it was going to be a tree ship, which is incredibly doubtful given how niche Alaska is.
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>>158995718
Where do you recommend they put Alaska, then? Unless it's a Clam Wars reward ship, they're not going to add a Tier 10 premium. And moving it one tier up to Tier 7 spares the Zuihos but still allows it to shred everything its tier and one above.
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Why is Bisko so easy?
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>>158996854
What is this, a UI for ants?
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>>158997052
Soontm
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>>158996854
>3840x2160

I didnt even know that was thing. Are you playing in a fucking cinema or something?
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>>158996406
Why do people keep mentioning T10? 22cm is the upper limit for cruiser guns, and it's not exactly on par with even NC.

T7 lets it keep its monster AA gimmick, not totally have its armor negated, and like Scharn lets it make use of having a smaller-than-normal main gun caliber gimmick. Those 12" guns are good fucking guns compared to Scharn's lightweight high velocity meme.

Toss in some other "balancing", such as in the maneuverability department, or a gimmick like giving it AA barrage, and it makes for a perfectly solid T7 premium.

GIMMICKS
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>>158997483
If we add something with this much aa to T7 we might as well give them the option to redirect all cvs in the game to some gay porn side for the duration of the game
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>>158996854
How can you read anything?
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>>158997645
It's not like WG has ever had less AA on a ship than it had historically at all.
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>>158996854
Furfags like flamu refused to criticize how over pwered it is?
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>>158994650
>the fucking Zumwalt

AShM killed aesthetics
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>>158994650
in the snow here it actually looks kind of neat
in a bond villain's personal ship kind of way
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>>158998327
>>158998479
germans are figuratively subhuman
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>>158998539
>german
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>>158998573
>triggherd
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>>158997483
Okay, let's compare Scharn with Alaska then.

Scharnhorst has undoubtedly better armor. Plunging fire is rarely a concern at Tier 7, and anything that will actually plunge onto either's decks is going to penetrate. A 41cm shell that is going to go through Scharnhorst's 95mm isn't going to be stopped by Alaska's 4 inches. In terms of armor otherwise, Alaska is practically Dunkerque. Scharnhorst has it easily beat. Scharnhorst also has torpedo tubes for CQC protection. Alaska doesn't.

In terms of guns, there's no way Alaska's 12-inchers are going to get the same ROF. I'm guessing it'll be the listed 2.4 RPM vs. Scharn's 3. Alaska's guns fire super-heavy shells, which will provide an advantage in penetration. But it also means rainbow arcs, meaning good luck ever hitting DDs or Cruisers at mid-long range.

In terms of AA, yeah, Alaska will be a monster, but Scharnhorst is no slouch either.

Outside of AA (which isn't a huge issue with the current CV meta, i.e. murdering DDs and cruisers), Alaska doesn't really bring any advantages oves Scharnhorst while having significant disadvantages.
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>>158997134
>>158997814
Special magnifying glasses lenses.)))
>>158997283
>What is 4k
>>
>>158991285
Cleveland has been massively nerfed to fit at T6. An un-nerfed Cleveland would be T8.
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>>158998803
I really wish libcuck americans weren't so horrible at ship design. fucking scharnhorst beat the shit out of their overpriced,overbudget,behindschedule large cruiser alaska lmao
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>>158999045
no it wouldn't thing has no armor no torps and it's guns are as bad arc wise as bong t9+ cl's and has horrible fire rate. the Clevelands are massively overrated
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>>158998807
>>What is 4k

I honestly dont know.

t.Toasterowner
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>>158999185
Aside from the no torps part, that's due to WG nerifing it down to T6. Those nerfs would be removed when it gets moved to T8 in the USN 2nd cruiser line. Which we all fucking know will happen.
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>>158999053
It's more that the game doesn't handle American advantages well. It doesn't model internal bulkheads which provide additional protection (i.e. most American BB and Alaska's decks, Kongo's internal side bulkheads); engagement ranges are low, so plunging fire (and the superheavy shells intended to maximize its power) doesn't work very well; FCS is based on visual acquisition, so America's advantages in radar FCS don't matter, etc.

IRL Alaska would have wanted to engage Scharnhorst at far longer ranges where it could plunge through Scharn's decks, while Scharnhorst would want to close in, where its high-velocity low-arc shells could go through Alaska's belt.
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>>158997645
>One ship
>Ruin it for everything
No
>>158998803
She has plenty enough armor to not get totally memed on. She has plenty enough firepower to meme the fuck out of the tier. There is no reason to assume her RoF will be lowballed, but regardless it will fire fairly fast and actually deal damage instead of harmlessly ricocheting off into oblivion.
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>>158999483
not really the turret traverse fire rate and especially the arcs are realistic with it's measly velocity and shell weight. Cleveland was trash
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>>158999528
>She has plenty enough armor to not get totally memed on.
Dunkek gets memed on by 15 and 16-inchers all the time, and its armor is similar. Now you're throwing that same armor against Goober Freddies?
>She has plenty enough firepower to meme the fuck out of the tier.
Maybe, but they'll still be much less suited for taking out CAs and DDs not much better against BBs.
>and actually deal damage instead of harmlessly ricocheting off into oblivion.
Or miss because the target will see them rainbowing down from a mile out.
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>>158999669
Clevelands fired at 10 RPM, were covered in quadruple Bofors, and could rotate their turrets 180 degrees in 18 seconds.
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Akizuki
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>>159000294
How did she do? Be sure to account for
>supertesters
>good
in your assessment.
>>
>>159000104
nah. even the shitty worchester with it's autoloaded 6in guns could barely make 10 rpm. try 8 rpm for the garbo clievlands. thing litteraly just a shitty schros at best
>>
>>159000724
:^ )
>>
>can't decide if I want the Hatehost
>two days left on sale

[SCREAMS INTERNALLY]
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Oregon City when?
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>>159000982
I don't regret my purchase but just know, to maximize damage output you need to lose in with it which is very dangerous bc torpedos
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>>159000986
Brooklyn Class when?
>No Tovarisch is not 155 Mogami yes)))))) but same 5x3 guns and also of long range balans like old Mogami just 10k shekels goy)))))
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>>159000590
1150 base exp on a win. Basically sailed to empty flank and capped, then capped mid. So I don't think they really did much gun wise. Enemy had a Midway and they shot down 5 planes.
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>Asia server gets 3 months to get 110,000 XP for ARP Takao
>NA server has 1 month to get 100,000 XP

NA BTFO
>>
>>159001571
It's not going to be a problem for anyone who shitposts here enough to actually consistently play.
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>>159001571
>100,000 XP
I can do that in a weekend.
>>
>>159001286
t9 USN CL
t. sombody who totally didn't have access to WG's long-term brainstorming and planning minutes
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>>159001714
But it's the predecessor to the Cleveland.
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>>159001571
That's like 100 games. You can pound that out in 3 days or so.
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Looking pretty phallic there France.
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>>158999053
its because the game heavily favors ships with turtleback armor. Plunging fire is not very effective in game in comparison to real lif,e and ships are firing and much closer range in comparison to real life, where turtleback armor is the most effective
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>>159001571
>Asia server patchnotes state that the minimap will get ship names
>NA, EU and RU server patchnotes don't, and instead state that the tactical map when you press M gets ship names

Ship names on minimap confirmed for Asia server exclusive feature. Why haven't you moved to the best server yet, both in terms of skills and features?
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>>159002085
We're not moving to your shithole Benis.
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>>159001696
>>159001830
Base XP though, without daily, flag, camo, special event or premium modifiers.
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>>159002016
plunging fire was never effective. ever. bongs destroyed the most battleships with battleships. ever. and they did most of it with 14in guns at sub 10km ranges
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How does the Yamot do against the GerbentrĂĽckung Kurfurst? Is it able to easily penetrate through its turtleback armor and citadel it?
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>>159002160
I'm not that Chinese guy. I come from Malaysia
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>>159002269
see
>>158999489
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>>159002291
>Is it able to easily penetrate through its turtleback armor and citadel it?
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_FAkI1cvDo
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>>159002357
good luck hitting nothing with your horrible american't optical fcs. radar of the period was garbo. plunging fire was never a valid tactic as it was never used because it's retarded educate yourself
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>>159002540
ironic shitposting is still shitposting
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>>159002291
Yamato can't pen GK's turtleback. Also, most of GK's bow is covered in 60mm armor plating that no gun in the game can overmatch.

Best thing Yamato can hope for is decent full penetrations at mid range. Plunging fire occasionally works at longer ranges but plunging fire is a shit meme anyway.

At close range GK will shit all over Yamato.
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>>159002291
it's possible, but it's kind of a bitch to citpen
better off just hoping for big regular pens
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>>159002726
I'm glad you have provided me will all these examples of when plunging fire was effective lmao. the reality is ameruicnts are were and still are pussies who are afraid to close distance. git gud, aspie
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NEW THREAD
NEW THREAD
>>159002848
>>159002848
>>159002848
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>>159002921
We still destroyed other battleships with our battleships, and none of our BB's sunk :^)
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>>159003016
nah. every single bb sunk by the usn was by naval air power. stay delusional lol
>>
>Playing German BB
>Need to close to deal respectable damage
>In games with 4 destroyers and 2 CVs on the enemy side, without fail
>Team gets pissy when I don't yolo into the cap when I KNOW there are DDs waiting to fuck up a BB with torp walls
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>>159001797
t8 with 12 guns means that t7 can't have 15 guns

too many new player confusings((((((((((((((((((
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>>159003412
how the fuck are you not autowinning 80% of your games in kraut bb's are you fucking braindead. the things are latteral easy mode
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