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[ROAR] edition

Shadowverse is a class-based collectible card game akin to Hearthstone. The first expansion pack, Darkness Evolved, launched on September 30th. The Steam version launched on October 28th.

Reminder to participate in this poll so we can get a gauge of our community skill: http://www.strawpoll.me/11431912 (embed)

Platforms: iOS, Android, Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/app/453480/)

To play on PC, simply use Steam and enjoy 60fps.

Official Website:
https://shadowverse.com/

Card Database / Deck Editor:
https://shadowverse-portal.com/

Intro Guide/FAQ:
http://pastebin.com/xNmQuDzR (embed) (read this if you're new)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ibw62rcFMrkvWl_KPKUuRC_0f7LbvwE27ubQ-EJo0oQ/edit?usp=sharing

Take 2 Card Rankings:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k55fDS9LpX66H-pm5EgGouqwQSCF-sje-o5UwrXUwdI/htmlview#

Friend list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DKn9RybTNTQ3a8cm-68KvDOHCFBRK8VDD2JVO8HTUWg/edit?usp=sharing


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https://mega.nz/#!tl1mGaIQ

Decryption key: !tsu910nR6lT_xTQAx9QUNI_96DLJ0mvgIwwThp5lPS4
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First for Otohime-sama! I want to be part of her harem!
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>tfw finally got the game run perfectly on linux
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>>158828497
Is page 7 your favorite page? Stop it.
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>>158828594
Only cute girl officers are allowed in Otohime's harem
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>>158828661
I'll be a cute girl for her if she wants!
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>>158828538
Ive only seen webm's of it

Ive never read or watched the actual show .

If I want to jerk it I'll load up Sadpanda not watch some stupid 15 minute anime parody.
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>>158828497
What the fuck, man. Include /svg/ in the title and link the previous thread at least, faggot.
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>>158828702
Are you saying this does not arouse you anon?
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How did you noobs struggle with Urias? He was probably the easiest elite AI out of the 7
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>>158828706
But then he wouldn't have been first anon
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I FUCKING HATE CRYSTALIA BITCH
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>>158828553
mid range sounds right up my alley for sure. I also am a big fan of control decks in general so which craft is best suited for this? i'm still tossing up whether i want to keep my current roll so nothing is off the table yet.
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Is Sword or Haven stronger for midrange decks? I tend to prefer those slightly over control.
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Is this good enough to start with?
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Remember do spam emotes and take as long as possible before defeating a haven player. It's the only way to stop them from playing cancer
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Let's solve this once and for all.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11535683
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>>158828853
Seems fine.
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>>158828853
Unless you had a certain deck in mind and want to go full autism, it's a pretty good roll. I'd keep it.
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>>158828835
The go to control decks right now are Control Sword, which is expensive as fuck, and Elana Haven, which is not so bad, they both focus on stalling so they can drop fatties later
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>>158828853
It's a very powerful neutral role, 2x Olivia and Lucifer is about as good as it gets.
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>>158828702
Keijo's action sequences are better animated than your favorite series probably.

they're better animated than my favorite series too desu
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>>158828871
What a pointless poll.
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>>158828969
literally no ass
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>>158828780
literally no it doesn't.

And really it shouldn't arouse you unless your like >17 or something. I bet your the kind of guy who still finds Jigglygirls and Legoman arousing aren't you?

I found that as you grow youll start to develop more...."""advanced"" taste.
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>>158828893
>>158828902
>>158828952
Thanks. I had this, too, but I think the other one seems better.
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>>158829045
Yeah, the other one is FAR better.
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>>158829041
not him, but you got that > pointed the wrong way buddy, unless you're admitting to being underage b&

this is probably bait, but keijo is actually a good series, I don't even find it that fappable unlike flip flappers
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>>158829041
>he prefers droopy tits and potbellies
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>>158829041
Be cool anon, let other people enjoy what they want, no need to tell them what should or shouldn't make them diamonds
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>>158829041
man I was just makin a fuckin joke chill the fuck out.

You got that > pointed the wrong way anyway
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DING-DONG DING DOOOONG
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>FASTER SERVANT!
>TIME TO SPEED THINGS UP!
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>>158829175
but my taste IS SUPERIOR and he needs to know!

>>158829146
good save. I still think hentai and anime tits are the layman's fetish though

>>158829148
completely depends on the situation actually

>>158829207
frick off you dumb frogposter!

>>158829261
*banishes violently*
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>>158829041
>pretentious black and white "artsy" nudes

Do you need a crane to get on your high horse, little man?
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>>158829261
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>>158829261
I want to DONG her DING
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>play my very first ranked match
>it's against some fuckin nigga with a japanese, golden-ass card back

how fucked am i
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>>158829404
Depends. I eat nips for breakfast in this game.
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>>158829358
ya gotta find the good stuff
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>getting raped by Bloodcraft
How do I stop this? Using a poor man's Mid-Range Swordcraft, for some reason this is the only deck that is buttfucking me. Does the Elite AI cheat?
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>>158829404
are you talking about the rage of bahamut card sleeve? it's just a cosmetic
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>Cerberus looks dumb
>Best Shadowcraft Legendary by a mile
>Apprentice Necromancer is adorable
>Kind of average, maybe even mediocre.
It's not fair
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Wasn't Seraph considered good for a short while, what happened?
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>Steamshits complaining about the entertaining English adaption instead of changing language settings to Japanese
>Steamshits complaining about the game being censored
>Steamshits complaining about the game not being censored

IT'S SUCH AN EYESORE
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>>158829362
that was just a random image macro that I had. Although I totally could jerk it to a statue especially if it had some sort of petrification curse involved that would lock you in eternal coitus

>>158829498
rush them down faster
get better cards

>>158829404
most nips I play against aren't even that good and only tend to luck out with ridiculous curves
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>>158829479
>>158829510
>>158829624
i shit on him hard with a basic deck so i dont know what i was worried about
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>>158829606
It still is but it's run for reach in Elana instead of being run as a dedicated control set now.
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>>158829606
it's still good it's just not a primary win condition. Now you focus on a different deck but keep a seraph in there just so you have a free win if your original plan doesn't work out
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>>158828871
>no gauntlet nurse or whatever
shit pol
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>>158829624
>hentai is "layman's" fetish
>literally tons of petrification shit with that exact scenario
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I've heard bad things about the English websites, what are the Japanese ones people use?
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>>158829739
My brother.
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>Beast Dominator flavor text
http://wiki.rageofbahamut.com/Beast_Dominator
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>>158829730
Kind of stretching reality here, the deck's an hybrid. You still run amulet popping cards you wouldn't otherwise run, you just have an alternate win condition in Elana beatdown.
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>>158829824
It's in the OP document.

There's also another one that looks like rainbow vomit but I didn't bookmark it because it hurts my eyes.
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Earth Rites is L O V E
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>>158828871
I can't really call it an ass, but Tsubaki has a really cute butt.
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>>158829885
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>>158829885
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>>158830070
>good girl stuck in a shit show
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Git ready for some Atomeme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REAWZfbHt2c
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>>158829885
>No 6ft big titty gf that puts a collar on you

why even live
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>>158829498
No, Elite Ai is a joke. Not sure why people are struggling
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What do I spend my rupes on, I hate take two cause its RNG. What packs should I be buying, DE or standards?
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>>158829817

childhood is thinking Eastern art is the best

adulthood is realizing western is :^))
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So is swordcraft just really good in arena or something?

I keep getting fucking rolled by it.
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>>158830230
When I was clearing Elite Urias, he kept dropping Revelations and/or multiple Temptresses until I just switched to a faster deck and rushed him down. They all lose to aggro pretty easily.
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sorry about the dupe thread, I made one since I didn't see it since svg wasn't in the title.
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>>158830348
swordcraft is extremely straightforward and very aggro therefore yes
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>>158830184
I really want to build Atomeme someday, but I can't justify spending vials on it.
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I really don't think I should play arena. I feel like the rewards are so paltry I don't want to risk getting a bad draft when the best reward I can get is 2 packs and like 80g. Additionally so far, with my tickets I have just had terrible luck. Getting boardwiped by Fafnir, getting my big lifesaving taunt wrecked by Odin, getting out tempo'd by someone with with Olivia wantonly evolving to win the board, any time someone drops Leonidas, getting ultimately outvalued by Mordecai and phoenix roost into Satan. Not to mention I feel like I am at a severe disadvantage just for going first.
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>>158830348
It has a lot of great lower cost followers which makes for great curving which is king in Arena, so yes.
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You just evolved your minion and killed a 1/1 before this guy showed up and slapped your minions ass

what do you do?
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>>158830335
that literally had nothing to do with what I was talking about but ok buddy
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>>158828871
I want Midnight Vampire to sit on my face!
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>>158830495
try not to cry

cry a lot
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>>158830534
No, she's going to sit on MY face!
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how many super important cards even exist in DE other than Garuda?
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>>158830624
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Did 3 rerolls and never got past 2 legendaries. Is this normal?
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>>158830495
post in /svg/ about using him because he's my husbando
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>>158830267
Standard. If you buy DE buy them at a 2:1 ratio in favor of standard.
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>>158830693
You opened 30 packs and never got more than 2 legos?
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>>158830479
I find it really hard to get less than 3 wins. Olivia is frustrating sometimes but isn't an auto-win. Won a game earlier today going first against a turn 9 Olivia. I also lost happened to lose a game in that same run in that same scenario, but it's just not an auto-win.
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>>158830741
The 15 standard and 20 shadow expac ones yah. 3 times now and not more than 2 legendary each time.
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>>158830479
If you don't like Arena don't play it. Kinda simple.

>>158830495
what 1/1 does dragoncraft have

>>158830693
No, it's pretty shit. Legendaries are 12% per pack.
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>tfw your cardfu is bad and has no place in any playable deck
What's her name, /svg/?
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>>158830479
i usually get 4 wins. sometimes 5, rarely 3. I get really shit drafts sometimes too, one of my shadow drafts were fucking terrible - didn't save a picture, but there no good golds/leggos, barely any aggression, and my only lategame was a single andras, but I went 5 with it.

you just gotta git gud at it because people play really fucking terribly in arena and you can farm the shit out of it for free packs.
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>>158830739
So every 2 packs of standard, I buy a DE pack?
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I'm stupid and forgot my image, what should I liquify if anything?
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>I PROTECT OTOHIME
>Otohime is always the first to die
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>>158830624
Vampy and Fortress, Elana, Seraph, Pascale and maybe Olivia.

In hindsight this expansion was fucking loaded for Haven.
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>>158830817
Your Mother.
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>>158830846
Maybe one day the game will powercreep hard enough that the guards will get ward.
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Fuckin laugh out loud, so looking into the censorship stuff, are you serious, is it literally just "Satan" got changed and they added that one small bit of cloth to the dumb titty mage's outfit? Is that really all that some people on forums and stuff are sperging out about so hard? Another inane "Muh censorship" crusade against the smallest of dumb details.
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>Get handed a shitload of packs when I first start playing
>Legendaries are dupe rose queens and a Bloody Mary

Welp. Any tips for making a meme forestcraft deck with dual rose queens?
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>>158830845
liquify Cerberus and Forte to make more Jeannes
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I'm really starting to hate the evolve mechanic here going first seems like the biggest fuck you on this game.
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Is there something more statisfying than wrecking Haven on turn 6?
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>>158830845
Fairy Princess and Rose Queen unless you feel like holding onto them to make a spicy meme deck.

I usually want to hold onto legos until the last possible moment to make stuff for a deck, though. But that's just me.
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>>158829551
Apprentice is actually a solid 3-drop, the problem is that 3-drops are like half of Shadow's cards for some reason.
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>>158830829
I'm not really sure what I could be doing wrong, I played a lot of hearthstone arena and would average around 5-6 wins. I've been trying my best to rack up nice value, aggression, stickiness and removal in my decks all the while trying my best to save my evolves for the most pivotal cards, but I still cant make any traction in a lot of matches.
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>>158830950

I don't feel like I have much really at all to make a cheap competitive deck.
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>>158830846
that's what you get when you refuse to hire bodyguards bigger than you
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>>158830927
You'd be better off building Blood Aggro. Your choice between a single copy of Bloody Mary or Vampire Queen is all the legendaries you need.
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>>158830917
I bet you're straw-manning, there's no way people really give that much of a shit apart from "why would they even bother" reactions.
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>>158830839
yes
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>>158830845
fairy princess, jeanne and rose queen are ass
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>I AM YOUR CONQUEROR

>CHARGE
>CHARGE
>CHARGE
>CHARGE
>CHARGE
>CHARGE
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>just started on steam
>get animated forte and dupe Dark Angel Olivia and Cerb
>no idea what to liquefy
>want a fun rushdown swordcraft deck or control shadowcraft

help
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>>158831013
I'm doing story mode first so I'm running the forestcraft gril's story.
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>>158830943
It's about a 3% win rate difference.

Unfortunate but probably better than the scenario where we remove one of the second turn advantages.
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>rushed down a storm haven
>I'm dshift rune, didn't draw a single dshift
I'm not sure what happened here.
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>>158830845
>>158830978
Liquefy bad silvers first, followed by bad commons. Try not to liquefy legendaries or golds ever. If you really need a competitive deck, build banner sword.
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>>158831025
Why? Are DE cards shit?
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>>158830943
The problem is they also get first evolution. They evolve first then you counter evolve then they counter evolve then you counter evolve then they counter evolve. So they end up with the first and last evolution on the field.

They keep all momentum from the very start of the evolution chain and you have to play their game.
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>>158830948
Kek, nice try.
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Post yfw
>Rhinoceroach lethal
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>>158831097
If those legends are all you have, none of the,, they're all good.
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>>158831127

Is there like a list of bard cards worth liquefying?
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>>158830693
4th time and this is the most I've gotten. Is this okay cuz I'm about done with this shit.
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>>158831131
It's more sensible to start with a core/basic set. It has way more cards needed for 90% of the decks out there than DE. But you don't wanna be locked out of bronze/silver DE cards and have to craft them, so 2:1 is sensible. 3:1 is possible too, but with most rewards being standard card tickets over DE tickets 2:1 is fine.
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>>158830846
>I protect otohime
>guards don't have wards
>guards don't kill themselves if Otohime dies
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>>158830968
you might wanna practice take2 with a buddy then. I can't tell you what you're doing wrong unless I'm watching or someshit, but I can guarantee you that there's a lot of ways to fuck up in this game since evolution gives you a lot of plays/options per turn.

I watched someone play earlier and they misused their evos a lot for example, sometimes potentially costing them the game. I understood their reasoning for doing what they did but my point is it's really easy not to make the optimal play every turn especially if you're not as familiar with the game.
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>>158831173
Not really, most people try to avoid melting anything they don't have excess of to begin with.
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>>158831097
>animated forte
>not immediately building face dragon

what the fuck are you doing
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>>158830846
>The sea's nothing without us!
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>>158831096
>clearly reptoid snake guy
>giggalo slave boy
>Prophet Muhammad
>literal skeleton man
>guy with stupid hat
>leader is a neckbeard

what the fuck sort of pic is this?
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>>158831127
> Try not to liquefy legendaries or golds ever.

This is kind of mediocre advice, the majority of gold cards in the game are pretty ass. Also many legendaries are simply too far removed from playability

>>158830943
It is. Between an extra card, first evolve and 3 points it's too much. One of these need to be rebalanced.

>>158831123
Depends on the deck. It's ALWAYS 2nd favored, and it can be as high as a 10% difference in certain match-ups. That's enormous.
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>>158831096
>mfw drawing into Alexander secured me 3 games of Take Two in my recent 5-0
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>>158831020
Feel free to look at the 50+ reply thread on the steam forums my dude, also I know, the place is a trash heap in general and I shouldn't be surprised, but ho god are there some people losing their shit in there.
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>>158831247
Presumably he wants to build a deck that requires some thought process to play and doesn't involve just throwing your shit out and praying for topdeck lethals.
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>>158831310
>Depends on the deck. It's ALWAYS 2nd favored, and it can be as high as a 10% difference in certain match-ups.
holy shit, how many times do we have to go through this.

the so called 10% difference matchups are for games with pitifully small sample sizes with like a few hundred games played at most.

http://shadowlog.com/trend/

you look at the overall total games played for the decks and none of them deviate past 2-3%, sometimes a tad over 3%.
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>>158831334
How about we talk about the stuff that actually matters like

ACHIEVMENTS,BACKGROUNDS AND TRADING CARDS WHEN?
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>>158831310
>It's ALWAYS 2nd favored

Aggro Blood actually drops going second a few percent because it relies on being the fastest aggro deck in the game and going first just makes it even faster. Stuff like Banner barely changes if I remember right, too.

Conversely, I think some top tier Control decks have a bigger difference in win percentage than 3%, hovering around 5-7% instead. Never 10% though, that's only a petdeck thing.
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>>158831370
we dont topdeck lethal.

we topdeck the card that summons the card that lethals
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Is there an easy to tell if cards are base set or darkness evolved?
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Trying to play runecraft control/tempo without merlin or dimensiona shift. In general, I'm doing pretty well but most my victories are very narrow if I'm forced to operate in the late game. Are there any reliable finishers I could add or adjust?
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.3.61O4A.61O4A.61O4A.5-gkQ.5-gkQ.5-gkQ.5-f_Y.5-f_Y.5-f_Y.66NA2.5-gka.5-gka.5-gka.5-gkk.5-gkk.5-gkk.5-gku.5-gku.5-gku.62UtQ.62UtQ.65CDA.65CDA.65CDA.62Way.66IIA.66IIA.5-gl2.5-glC.5-glC.62Uta.62Uta.62Uta.66Nv4.62bTc.5-glM.5-glM.5-iRo.5-iRo.5-iRo#_=_
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>>158829903
It turns out that's actually a female Goblin.
http://wiki.rageofbahamut.com/Goblin_Archmage

Pic related is a goblin princess as well.
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>>158831392
If I'm reading this correctly, not only is 2nd favored in all of the classes, but in 4 of them is 4% and in one of them it's 6%.

That's really huge for a game, dude. A deviation of more than 2 percent is already bad enough, but it can at least be remedied if certain decks favor going first. If every single deck is favored second it's simply broken, period. The percentages are just the cherry on top.
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>>158831186
5th time. Am I being memed? How are people getting so many to start?
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>>158831538
>this is a japanese goblin
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>>158831545
No idea but you do not want to keep that. At all.
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>getting my shit pushed in by a gorillion fairies
>he Pixie Mischiefs and bounces the Blood Wolf leaving me with 4 bats in play
>topdeck Wind God
>trade a bat and summon Blood Wolf
>Wind God lets me deal exactly 9 damage for lethal

WHAT A RUSH
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>>158831545
About 1 lego per 10 packs is the average if we're talking pure statistics. People just get lucky and/or reroll enough times that they get more.
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>>158831529
dimension shift
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>>158831545
topultramegalel
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Sasuga Luna-chan. Also first 5-0 of the day, feels good.
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>>158831623
I fucking hate aggroniggers
But I hate memeforests more so
Oh my god just fuck this game altogether
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>>158831404
>Trading cards
>in a mobile/computer card game

This your first one? Companies would rather fuck everyone than let a few shitters with alt accounts build the decks they want.

Surprisingly Squeenix is the only exception to this rule that I've seen.
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>>158831545
Just got to reroll a lot man, eventually you will get 8-10+ like the rest of us
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>>158831454
>http://shadowlog.com/trend/
>>158831392

A deck with 8.3k sample size which makes it about 10th place there has a 13% win rate difference... Two above it with 12k has an 8% difference. Above that with 18k a 7% difference. Another at 18k has 5% difference...

Are you people serious? This is just laughably huge.
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>>158831540
there's a couple of standout decks that seem to benefit abnormally much from going 2nd, but they're the minority. if you look at the upper table, each craft doesn't see a winrate increase of higher than 3%~ for going 2nd.

There definitely are decks that do benefit from going 2nd more than others (Tempo Elf is probably the most major example, since they can curve Princess Elf Mage into Tia going 2nd but can't do that going 1st) but these are clearly the exceptions and not the rule when you look at the overall rates per craft.
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The guy that posted this is rank 47 master and got a 5 win streak with it.
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>>158831705
How do we save aggroverse?
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>>158831719
Pokemon Trading Card Game Online
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>>158831676
>4 packs for the price of one and a half
fuck I wish i wasn't so bad and could run flawless arena runs
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>>158831748
Storm is awful. Replace like half the Storm cards in the game with Rush and buff them accordingly.
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>>158831748
>1 aggro deck in tier 1
>aggroverse
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Is there a list of best cards to liquefy?

I need to make 2400 to finish off my deck completely.
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Why is "Path to Purgatory" a neutral card? Shadowcraft is the only class that can amass shadows. It's completely worthless in every other deck class.
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>>158831735
6th time and my most yet. Is it any good?
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This is all my free roll, i'm playing on steam so no reroll for me.
So who should i keep, the rest is viral, of course
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>>158831908
Every time.
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>>158831746
>Dupe Rose Queen meme deck
>My first legendaries are dupe rose queens

Pardon me, copying the fuck out of this deck.
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>>158831808
may as well just crown forest the only viable class in the game
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>>158831908
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>>158831745
>there's a couple of standout decks that seem to benefit abnormally much from going 2nd, but they're the minority. if you look at the upper table, each craft doesn't see a winrate increase of higher than 3%~ for going 2nd.

Either I'm missing something or you are. Pic related. There are more classes with a >3% difference than there are at 3%/under, so why are you repeating this 3% meme? No, 4% isn't "~3%", it's a big difference when we're talking about such small numbers.

It's big. Especially when EVERY class benefits from 2nd - this is extremely improbable in a card game with various playstyles, as certain decks (like aggro) should naturally benefit from going first, while others (like control) naturally benefit from going second.


Like you guys can sugarcoat this all you want, but it's a big issue for a 1vs1 game. I don't doubt it will be patched.
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>>158829551
>Cerberus looks dumb
Fuck you.
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>>158831981
Every control/combo deck remains untouched lmao, it's literally only a nerf for degenerate aggro.
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Forest feels like Patron of old, where it's clearly the best deck but I'm too stupid to play it.
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>>158832074
if you nerf aggro control gets out of control
balancing 101
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Vengeance has to be the shittiest mechanic in the world. No wonder aggro is the only good version of bat, staying on 10< health for multiple turns is asking to die.
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>>158832056
No one denies she's the perfect fucktoy, anon, she just doesn't look very bright
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Is there anything more satisfying than a dual Vampiric Fortress finisher?

Also, I did it lads. 3 weeks in and going strong.
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>>158831192
Fuck it, ill spend all my rupees on standard packs. I liquefied, roughly 50% of my collection just to build a Dshift rune deck
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>>158832094
dragon ends up in the same situation. You either focus on winning fast and completely ignore your class mechanic or you try to play the long game as intended and lose because other classes have better late game win conditions
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>>158831538

In RoB female gobs are super rare and treated like queens by male gobs.

Makes you wonder how they breed.
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>>158831097
>or control shadowcraft
Dont do it. Its shit.
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After a week or so of non-stop arena'ing I've come to some conclusions regarding classes:

Sword - easiest to get the most broken deck, and otherwise you always get a balanced good deck. S tier.
Dragon - slightly harder to get the good deck but still. A tier.
Haven - may be very well above-S tier if you get the right cards but luck is not always on your side with it. So also A tier.
Shadow - solid but building somewhat OP deck takes quite a luck. But average decks are pretty good so B+ tier.
Blood - must build aggro to win and, well, it's arena - you don't always get what you want. C tier.
Runecraft - gets an extremely low chance to get a good deck if stars align well. C- tier.
Forest - with your given cards it's very hard to overpower your opponents. Honestly, I don't remember a single forest I've lost to. D tier.
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>>158832056
Have a better quality version.
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Sea queen or Tsubaki for memesword ?
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I meant steam related cards. And steam relatedprofile backgrounds. I want a vania /forte/DING DONG wallpaper already
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>>158832313
Tsubaki for Banners

Both or Otohime for anything else
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>>158832092
Are you an idiot? That's not the rock paper scissors. Aggro loses to control. Control loses to combo.
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>>158832354
>Aggro loses to control.
Not in this game nerd.
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>>158832017
>none of the differences are 10% despite you claiming 10% from the start
the crafts you listed are the exceptions, all Elf benefits heavily from going 2nd because of Tia, and Royal does too because Whole Souled Swing often negates any tempo loss on turn 2 they might have had had. Witch only has one viable deck, DShift, which benefits from evolving another merlin/extra draw to search their combo.

I'll be honest and say I have no idea what's up with necro but it has the lowest playrate so I don't know if it's something to account for.

Most of the crafts that are heavily advantaged all got specific cards that upset the balance for them - for everyone else, the difference isn't any higher than 3% like I said because the actual inherent advantage to going 2nd right now isn't that significant, it's just certain cards that were printed.

And even for the main offenders, it's certainly nowhere near 10% like you claimed >>158831310

Nobody also said that going 2nd isn't favored right now or that nothing is going to be done about it, of course it is and something is going to be done, any dumbass could tell that, but most of the "changes" suggested in this thread based on the supposed 10% winrate difference would just break it the other way because it was the opposite situation pre-DE, except far worse and that's why they added the extra draw to begin with.
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whats the best site for netdecking ?
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Shadowverse story in a nutshell

Arisa
>muh Losaria

Erika
>muh princess

Isabelle
>my Kyle

Rowen
>muh family

Luna
>muh parents

Urias
>muh rival

Eris
>muh liberation
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>>158832427
Not him, but Elana and Control tend to be favored against aggro decks.
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>tfw had my best arena run so far with forest

Is forestcraft really that shit or am I just getting lucky. I can see how cards like tao lin might not do well but forest midrange seems pretty good.
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>>158832467
>netdecking
https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/decks
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I want to make a deck of nothing but wards and just outlasting the opponent. Which class is best for that?
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>>158832469
It's the first part of a glorified tutorial in a game where you do the story once and then never pay attention to it again, so I don't mind that it's pretty whatever.
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>>158832469
>expecting good story in a fucking card game
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>>158832467
game-ai, http://xn--shadowverse-e63t796khk9bk11e.com/
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This is getting silly
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>>158832469
Is Urias gay for balthazar?
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>>158832074
>only 1 aggro deck in tier 1
>theres fuckin tons of forests, elana havens and mid/cswords in AA+
>MOM NERF AGGRO THEYRE BULLYING IN MY D0
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>>158830917
Because censorship violates artistic integrity and completely de-values the game. That's not even to speak of the fucktarded "translation" (aka complete rewrite) and the disgusting English voice acting which can't be disabled without basically doing something clearly unintended.

I will never support this developer because of how awful all this shit is. It's all the shit I hate in video games
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>>158832438
also, I want to add that the fact that certain crafts do have cards that make them benefit heavily from going 2nd skews the winrates even in other classes that don't have those cards.

If Elf benefits heavily from going 2nd because of Tia, then Bishop is going to see a slight winrate increase in going 2nd because that means their opponent, possibly an Elf, is not going 2nd.
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>>158832601
Eveyone is gay for Balthazar. Did you even look at his beard?
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>>158832534
Haven used to do that but playing that way is actually the worst way to play that class now. Earth Rite Rune is probably the closest you'll get.
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Does this ever get story events like Granblue?

Or it's just vs forever after doing story once?
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>>158832601
He just wants a good rival.

He wouldn't mind having Erika as an eternal rival if she didn't job so much.
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>>158832504
>Elana
Dies turn 6 to Aggro bat.
>Control
I don't think I've ever played against Sword Control so far (just arrived in A0), but I'd probably could rush them down. Shadow control would probably be tough.
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>>158832427
You're deluded if you think aggro can beat Control Sword/Elana/Seraph reliably
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>>158832595
It's D rank. I didn't lose a single game at D rank while using slightly modified default decks. You should honestly consider going on a concede spree, so dailies will stay easy to complete with classes you have no cards for. I regret ranking up to B so much.
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>>158832534
this is literally the goal of Control Sword. the deck runs a million wards because they have no healing.

>>158832674
Elana is extremely favored against Aggro Blood, since apparently you didn't bother reading the chart.
>just arrived in A0
maybe you shouldn't talk about balance then buddy.
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>>158832534
Control Sword.
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>>158832674
>my personal anecdote trumps data amassed over tens of thousands of games

ok.

why do you people even post here? back to /hsg/
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>>158832534
earth rite is nothing but guardian golems
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>>158832614
>anime tiddies: the tcg
>artistic integrity

I mean I get the principle but come on
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>>158832504
what deck is "transcendental witch" supposed to be?
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>>158832774
dshift

you know, the only deck they can play that isn't bad
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>>158832601
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>>158831929
Beast is a joke
Flute is bade
Bloody may is good but you won't see play because blood need more cards
Tsubaki is a good sword lego bannermemes use it

desu you only have 1 good lego and 2 meme this is way below of average 3/10 would re roll

But depending of you golds maybe you have lucky
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>>158832695
>Elana/Seraph
Have you ever played aggro bat?

>>158832717
>Elana is extremely favored against Aggro Blood, since apparently you didn't bother reading the chart.
Must be an outdated chard, since Elana never gave me much trouble.
>maybe you shouldn't talk about balance then buddy.
Everybody has been using netdecks since C0 nigger.
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>It's dragonfag ignore my Mary on turn5 and proceed to face forte
>lmao@ double dire bonds plus 4hp per turn
Average dragonfag everyone
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Concede for me please.
Room ID: 47610
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>>158832695
Aggro decks beats Elana and Seraph all the time. Banner is actually the easiest way to deal with Heal because they have to choose between healing and getting rid of followers and getting rid of followers hardly matters because of storm.
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>>158832674
>rushing down million wards.dec
>rushing down a Elana that actually gets elana turn 3
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how pay to win is this?

can steam players play with mobile players?
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Where is the Beast Dominator porn @

>that flavor text
>Here's your reward for being such a good boy. There you go... lick it all up!
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Good idea to keep this roll? I tried making the deck that uses this legendary and can make 20/40 with it. 4/5 legendaries for a deck is pretty good for a roll right?
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Is blonde Cerberus kosher?
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>>158832817
>I'm a A0 baby but let me talk about the meta
Until you get to Masters your opinion isn't worth shit.
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>>158832817
have you ever considered you've been playing against shitty players having just gotten to A0

you can literally take any deck to A0 and have a positive winrate, are we gonna claim earth rite is a decent deck now too?

>>158832830
Banner is good against Elana yeah and matchup data indicates that, but that's an exception, not the rule

it's just like how Control Sword does well against most aggro except Aggro Blood because a lot of their burn goes through wards, and Sword relies on them since no healing.
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How do I link my account to whatever for that mission that nets you 3 tickets?
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>>158832781
the cutest
thanks anon
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>>158832781

what is she doing
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>>158832908
Master is nothing but meme decks. They know shit about the current meta.
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>>158832850
>elana turn 3
And what's that gonna do? You minions are low HP and die in one hit anyway, he'll be to worried about his face to go after yours.
You just ignore him and go face. He's not gonna to outheal you if he's dead at turn 6.
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>get opponent to 2 HP right as I'm about to run out of cards
>he suddenly pulls every ward/storm card he has right out of his ass to keep my board perma-cleared

Why does this happen every goddamn time
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>>158832850
>implying ward saves you from burn
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>>158832781

And then he got raped to death.
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>>158832883
>pascale runcefrat
If you are aiming for it go for, but this deck is B tier depending of you golds ou should keep since you will have more options
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>>158832908
>Until you get to Masters your opinion isn't worth shit.
What's the difference? People are using the same decks, just more efficiently.

Also yeah, I will. Like I said I just started playing not too long ago.
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>Control sword
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>>158832957
you fags are never convinced by anything except whatever anecdote you have about when you fought that one guy in c0
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>>158832869
You get 40 packs for free that you can repeatedly reroll using an android emulator so it's possible to create a top tier deck from the very start.

And everyone in the world plays on the same server
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>>158832656

Aw dang really? I've been enjoying Haven and I thought it would be cool to build a deck about that.

Oh well, I'll think of something else.
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Does anyone created a bot for farming re roll?

>>158832921
more>device link
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>>158833018
Your personal experience isn't worth shit.
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>>158832830
Sword is an exception as the other guy said, because Elana has no wards. It loses to control sword though on the other hand.

>>158832817
I can't even begin to comprehend the fucking smugness on you.
>this data taken from tens of thousands of games is probably wrong because in my two days of playing the game I felt otherwise

maybe you're just playing against shitters in this literal bottom of the ladder, and you win 80% of your games anyway like most of us did until AA?
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waiting to unbox more Forte is suffering
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post yfw you tech in a card and actually manage to blow someone out with it

>mfw angelic barrage vs bat and fairy

I'm so used to my tech cards being in the bottom of my deck it's a nice change.
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>>158832919
>have you ever considered you've been playing against shitty players having just gotten to A0
I guess, although Elana's doesn't leave this much room for choice when playing it.

Unless the players tech their Elena's with specific cards at masters, I don't see how it will go differently.
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>>158833018
>just more efficiently.

That's the entire difference, idiot. Of course they're going to lose abnormally with a deck that requires more care/thought in the bracket where they are less skilled.

Dumb faggot. Exactly what I picture an average Bloodcraft player to be like.
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>>158833060
Sounds good, does that mean I should stop downloading the steam client and go get it for android? Can I link the account with steam later?
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Just got this dude, how strong is an Apocalypse deck exactly?
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>>158833123
But shadowlog said otherwise you fucking liar
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>>158832760
It's all on principle. I don't give a shit how artistically barren you believe it is; the fact is that the original artist's vision is being tampered with, and for what? So some pansy in America doesn't get offended.
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>>158833189
really edgy
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so how much money did you guys already waste on this game ? be honest
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>>158833187
Yes you can link them
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Is Gabriel used in any decks?
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>>158832817
Dude i had a 40 winstreak with a discard dragon when i start this shit
>>158833189
too slow f or the meta but is pretty fun
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>>158833173
>I guess, although Elana's doesn't leave this much room for choice when playing it.

PFFT okay bro. Seriously, why is a two days player here trying to act like he knows his shit? Dumb.
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>>158833220
I bought the one-time deal crystal pack to support the game.
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Guys how do I complete the "link shadowverse with another service" mission if I don't have a smartphone?
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>>158833162
Literally everyone teches in Angelic Barrage.l
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>>158832963

>mfw I just lost to a guy because I got too greedy and didn't bother taking out Unicorn because I thought he wouldn't pull any shit in the next turn
>pulls out billions of wards out of his ass
>he survived by 2HP

i just

i want to die
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>>158832828
I got the same daily, we can help eachother if the offer is still up
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AUF DER HEIDE BLÜHT EIN KLEINES BLÜMELEIN

UND DAS HEISST

EEEERIKA
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>>158833189
it has 5 mana 13/13s and 10 mana set your opponents health to 1 cards

so pretty gud

Slow as hell though
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>C2
>ptpelf, ptpelf, ptpelf, ptpelf, healhaven, ptpelf, ptpelf, ptpelf

brb, crafting ptp forest
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>>158833220
this >>158833253
I was planning to spend more money, but i doubt it. I already built the best deck suited to my playstyle
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>>158833234
I suppose it's like olivia, you can use her in whatever game
Why is gabriel a girl when the name is of a male?
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>>158833307
those are the weakest cards of the apocalypse deck though
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>>158832614
The "complete rewrite" meme is fake, phampai. They changed the flow to work better in English and threw a few jokey lines in cause... that's what most gamers actually want. What happens in the scenes is the same, it's just not a Final Fantasy tier literal shitslation.
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NOW THIS IS SANDBAGGING
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Any kind anons willing to provide with SV statistics such as most played class and something similar?
Curious as to where we are now. Thanks.
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>Defeating the AI for the first time on Elite gives you 200 rupies each per leader

Gonna buy me that Vania leader.
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>>158833182
Skill doesn't make a difference before turn 6, because there is no fucking decision making in Elana's at that point.
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>>158832883
It's very mediocre to keep and the deck you can make using those 3 are mediocre B tier
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HOW ? TELL ME YOU FUCKS I WANT TO HAVE MY WAIFU AS MY SLEEVE
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>>158830943
>>158831132
>>158831310

I actually think that bunch of people don't know how to make a correct play against turn4 evolve.

For example, enemy use evolved Dragon Warrior kill your 2/2 and 2/3 on turn 4, leaves a 4/3 on board.

Most people I see in the game will just evolve whatever they have in hand to counter them because they're too afraid of losing board control, which is not always the right play.

Sometimes you can just put down a 3/3 to contest if you got better play with evolve points in the following turns.

Some people will just evolve the 3/3 into 5/5, trade, become 5/1 and then die to enemy's Fire Lizard.

People aren't just memeing about evolve mechanic having depth.
It's about what cards you have in hand, what's your win condition, what answer the other player could possibily have.
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what the FUCK beats forest
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>purg forest mirror match

I don't know what the fuck is going on but somehow one of us won
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>>158833347
Why is Kamille a boy when the name is of a female?
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>>158833449
4k score points I think
should be doable if you got a decent deck because it resets on nov1 and then it might be gone forever
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>>158833220
I've been playing since about release and spent about $50. Bought the 1200 crystal pack twice and the welcome pack too. I don't really mind since I've probably played this game more than anything else since it came out and I can play just about every deck except for expensive ones for Vampire and Necro.
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>>158833378
No, it's not just the flow. Yes, the general gist of it is still roughly accurate, but there's entire scenes where the meaning is completely changed. Not that it even matters; I want a direct translation. If you even know as much Japanese as a 1-year-old kid you can clearly tell that it's completely fucking wrong.

Seriously, show this translation to someone who knows Japanese and see what they say about it. They're just going to laugh
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>>158833173
evolution alone makes people misplay the fuck out of this game even with simple decks desu.

face it, you're fighting the literal bottom of the ladder for a couple of days and the data is compiled across tons of games in the higher tiers, you really think they're all just wrong and are misplaying the matchup and you beating those guys in c0 means anything?
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>>158833465
Forest, Aggro Bat.
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>>158833507
Literally have 2 fucking days to get it
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>>158833245
M8, I have an Elana's deck, there's not much you do in early turns except playing stuff on curve.
The point where you actually have enough PP for actually getting some choice in what to play in what order comes later.

Stop overestimating the complexity of your childrens card game.
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>>158833389
havencraft
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>>158833529
>Aggro Bat
nah
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>>158833449
>Reddit
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is there ever a need for two fairy princess in a deck?
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So which missions are a good target for rerolls?
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>>158833465
What forest? Mid, ptp or hybrid?
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12276

I need a concede. If you stick around i'll assume you need the quest too and i'll concede.
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>>158833465
Tempo Elf doesn't have any particularly bad matchups which is why it's the best deck in the game. So the only choice is actually to git gud.
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>>158833489
Actually kamille / camille is unisex
Gabriel does have a female variant, but "Gabriel" is a male name
Gabriel is a Semen Angel (male)
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>>158833282
Borrow a smartphone from anyone

>>158833623
20g
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>>158833465
swordcraft has a good winrate against it iirc
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>>158833552
have you ever actually watched a novice play?

people start misplaying starting turn 4 because that's when they start evolving stupid shit and make stupid trades when they have better options in hand that you don't see normally facing them.

that's the kind of people you were playing.

>>158833465
control sword beats tempo harder than any other deck. you get fucked hard by ptp though. like, really hard. people talk about dshift but that's still a winnable matchup, ptp is probably the worst one.
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>>158833450
Cute. Now let me tell you how it works in the real world:

That guy has board control and 2 points. You pass your turn giving him back priority with 2 points. Your "contesting play" is to let his floater trade into another one of your cards; in the WORST CASE for him he just trades his dragon, getting himself a 3 for 1 value at that point from that dragon, and then places a new board which YOU have to respond to - without having lost a single resource (dragon trades 1:1, evolve remains intact).

That's the worst case. In better cases he can kill your 3/3 that "contests" his dragon freely and play an additional threat.

It's simply too much.
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>ranks don't restart over a month
>winning a few games ranks you up faster than ranking down if you literally conceded for a straight hour
The fact that the score reward system is so fucking backwards is the fucking cherry on top of the shit cake we called ranked.
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>still no lewds for healslut

why live?
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>>158832663
There haven't really been any temporary events yet, but they added new story chapters once already, not everything we have now was there at launch and it says to be continued at the end so there will be more story.
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>>158833529
Aggro Bat loses to Elf Child May and all the fairy trade ins. If it's a PTP build it runs Fairy Beast as well which as soon as dropped means GG for you. Oh and Ancient Elf obviously.

>>158833465
Runecraft D-Shift beats PTP 70% of the time if not more.
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>>158833727
ranked is fine, but the score reward system isn't
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>>158833717
>have you ever actually watched a novice play?
Well maybe I'm just expecting too much out of the people I play against.
But I'll start this discussion again once I hit Masters.
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>>158833654
thank you!
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>>158833552
>M8, I have an Elana's deck, there's not much you do in early turns except playing stuff on curve.


An idiotic statement. You could say that about any deck. The fact remains that you have to make big decisions in your mulligan and the choice between setting up (amulets) versus playing big threats. That's for the first early turns. Then you have to manage your removal correctly.

No, it's not fucking chess, but it's a hell of a lot more thought than an aggro deck, hence newbies are prone to making mistakes with it and lose based on one mistake in lower brackets.

P.S "having a deck" doesn't make you an authority else I'd be able to tell you all about every deck in the game.
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>>158833796
PtP vs. DS is probably about even. DS is going to lose if it doesn't draw DS early and PtP can win off roaches. If it's a hybrid it can win off fairies too.
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>>158833208
Has it ever occurred to you that the artist has a voice of their own and could voice their own concern without you white knighting?

Just admit you're angry about assembly line drawn anime tits without trying to push that onto someone else.
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>>158833189
8/8 storm 6 mana for maximum edge
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>>158833796
>Runecraft D-Shift beats PTP 70%
?????
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>Just recently started playing cause I needed something new and I like TCG stuff
>Cracking open packs with my starter tickets
>Mfw my friend blows up when I ask about this

Is it really as good as he's making a big deal about, or is it just overreacting cause MUH .17% ?
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>>158833849
>But I'll start this discussion again once I hit Masters.

If you're going to attempt to rile up this thread with anecdotal nonsense at least have the decency to keep track of your data and post it.

>>158833910
It's traditionally considered favorable for DShift. You're not going to Roach them reliably for lethal before turn 9 which is about when you will get rekt by combo. Every damage you eat along the way is permanent save a lucky (and tempo ruining) Fairy Beast. It's quite difficult to get fairies to stick against Missiles, Kaleidoscope, Barrage/Fire Chain and Angelic. It's certainly not a 50-50 match-up.
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>>158833723

You didn't read everything, aren't you?

What if I got better vaule/tempo play on turn 6/7/8 by keeping my evolve points?

Sure, his Dragon did a one for 3, but every deck has their strong swing cards.
If the game is decided simply becuase he played a turn 4 Dragon Warrior, people going second will win all the time.
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>>158833994
You will never PTP them before they combo you, so that win condition is out of the question. It forces you into playing like a tempo deck, which, unless you are an hybrid build, you won't be able to do to apply sufficient pressure.

You get ruined by Fire Chain/Barrage and utterly blocked by the Ice Golem.

Seriously, do you people even ladder?
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>>158833920
not him, but artists don't have much power when it comes to mobile games. they're barely paid anything in the first place iirc

for myself, I won't lie that I'm mad when shit I enjoy gets censored for no good reason, principle or not. It's only natural isn't it?
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>>158833884
>No, it's not fucking chess, but it's a hell of a lot more thought than an aggro deck
Eh, I know this is a popular notion, but there's acutally plenty to differentiate a good aggro player and a bad aggro player.
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>>158834021
>what is recycling
>what is ancient elf
>what is nature guidance

Sure thing m8
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>>158834021
It's certainly not 7-3 either.
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>>158834002
It's not good at all. You can run it in a meme runecraft deck but that's it.
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>>158834002
It's a decent card but doesn't fit into DShift Rune so it's not really played in constructed

Really unpacking any single legendary isn't that much to get excited about when most decks run 3x of at least one leggo.
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What sort of retard made the thread and did not put /svg/ in the subject?
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>>158834117
I don't know about now with all the DE cards, but Dshift rose to tier 1 briefly before DE simply because it countered PtP at the time

idk if Tia and the other new cards like Liza especially changed that though.
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>>158834054
>What if I got better vaule/tempo play on turn 6/7/8 by keeping my evolve points?

You're still playing from BEHIND ON TEMPO while being EVEN ON RESOURCES.

Do you get this? You have no way to have advantage post turn 4 without committing an evolve point, and that's without your opponent losing out on resources.


Nobody's saying it's a 100% loss for 1st player you dense idiot, but you can't disprove that the 2nd player has a clear advantage with your argument. By your argument the 2nd player still has tempo AND is even on resources (at least).
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>>158834021
>keep track of your data and post it
Seems autistic, I think I'll just do the former.
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>>158834002
>eathshit
>good
Annoying. Slow. Braindead. But not good.
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>tfw have to try and keep my rank down so I can finish all these "win 5 ranked games with X" for classes I don't have decks for
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>>158833684
Thanks anon, keeping an eye out for those 20gs
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>>158834117
What an idiotic theoretical argument, seriously. You're not going to have a roach stick on board, so any recycling you do will have to be on the same turn. Now tell me how many of these recycling plays you can do by turn 9 AND do enough damage with your roach during those attacks?

That's ASSUMING you draw enough of your bouncers to even do that play.

Laughable. If you could end games turn 9 with Roach consistently nobody would even bother with other win conditions.

>>158834163
These people are disconnected from reality, it's widely known and felt that PTP loses to DShift.
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>>158834246
What rank are you? I'm in rank C0 and afraid of going any further since I'm starting to notice more netdecks.
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DShift is definitely the only deck I played that's fun to play against Forest.
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>>158834174
not him, but it might be better to wait simply because if they evolve something to trade into the 3/3, then you can 2for1 them back with your own Dragon Warrior or Cudgel or whatever.

I see players sometimes evolve Cudgel into a single follower to banish it and it's sometimes a mistake, sometimes not.

for me, sometimes I don't try to wrench control back immediately if I think I can swing harder on the next turn with Whole Souled Swing or White Paladin the following turn.
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>>158830352
This is pretty much what happened every time. Every time I got a setup, that shit dropped and wiped the bored.
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>>158834334
I hate playing against PTP, only because I always have a shit draw. I can probably beat it but i have yet to win against PTP
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How many legos should I aim for when rerolling? Got 6 but they were all kinda shit I think
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>>158834347
>I see players sometimes evolve Cudgel into a single follower to banish it and it's sometimes a mistake, sometimes not.


What sort of a line of argument are you guys pulling here anyway?

Yes, your opponent can make mistakes or bad plays and throw away his advantage. Doesn't change the fact that said advantage irrefutably exists there, as I've explained the theory twice now.

Your only advantage as 1st player is up to turn 4, period. Hence why only aggro decks can really benefit from it.
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>>158834286
And I could have said same thing about Dshift too. But thing is Dshift is likely to get fucked literally like 90% of time by bad draws, bad hands, have to made unfavorable trade, too.
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>>158834432
Quality of quantity and the golds need to worth something tho
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>>158833510
I know some nip and literally the first 10 seconds of dialogue pretty much confirm what you said.

This is gonna be annoying to go through if you can't repeat voice playback since I can't always catch everything first time I hear it
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>>158834432
Try to get at least 4 good ones.
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>>158834432
Quality over quantity. A quality legendary which you will use in a deck is worth 3.5 legos you won't use.

>>158834471
But the DShift doesn't aim for a particular draw like you do. It only needs one combo piece and a draw card in the first few turns to start it rolling. You're aiming for a Roach AND about 3 bounce backs to get lethal before he does.
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What's with the translation in this game? It seems a lot different from what's actually being said.
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>>158833510
Actually it tends to be people with just a smattering of Japanese ability who are complaining. The examples of "butchered translation" are always based on comparing two single lines instead of looking at the progression of the whole story.

At any rate, if you want a weebified fanslation, you can easily make your own and distribute it as a steam patch.
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>>158834456
I don't know what you guys are talking about now, I wasn't the first anon but I thought you were talking about it not always being the correct choice to evolve and trade to take the board back in certain scenarios (play a 3/3 and you have a choice to evolve and trade it into a 4/3 or leave it as a 3/3 right?). as I said, the cudgel play I mentioned isn't inherently bad, it depends on the situation and waiting sometimes can give you a bigger tempo swing, but the point is people can easily misplay their evo points.

if you guys are arguing about that first player/second player shit then I'm out, tired of that argument.
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>>158834174

I'll give you a specific example.

It's dragon mirror. The 2/2 and 2/3 mentioned above already brings enemy down to 14, and I get two forte on my hand.

Do I use the evolve point on my 3/3 for board or save it and set up a potential two turn lethal?

If you only consider the tempo/value aspect, sure going second have advantange on paper.
In the end of day, things aren't that simple.

What I'm arguing is that bad players going first get baited into doing evolve war too easily, which brings down the winrate of going first.
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>>158832614
>>158833208
It's literally one stupid looking pair of cleavage and a single name. The tits look better post-change even to me and before you play that faggoty game, no, not in america.
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>>158834419
*board
My brain hurts from all the memes that happened in Take-Two tonight.

>win a 1-20
>get meme'd upon by the same Swordcraft twice
>almost throwing a game against a Bloodcraft
>beat the shit out of some Havencraft

Forestcraft is interesting to say the least.
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Does Face Dragon have any drastically different matchups compared to other aggro decks like Bat and Banner Sword?
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>>158834617
>dragon
Dropped.
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>>158834625
>stupid looking pair of cleavage and a single name
What name got changed?
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Forte is mai waifu. Is she any fun in this game?
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>>158832614
>can't be disabled without doing something basically unintended

Unless you are fluent in Japanese why would you switch it to Japanese, it's not like there's going to be subtitles. Do people prefer gibberish to English?
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>>158834563
I'm not gonna claim I know much JP at all or that I really care about the localization, but I'm pretty sure Luna's personality did get butchered.

"Hmph I'm leaving!"
vs something like "Even though I lost, it was fun."

is the difference between her losing lines if I'm not wrong, that's a 180 change in personality.
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>>158834672
?
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>>158834617
>If you only consider the tempo/value aspect, sure going second have advantange on paper.

You're not disproving it. In your scenario, what the fuck do you have OVER the 2nd player? He trades his dragon, keeps his two points, and it's HIS TURN to play shit on board. He still has clear advantage over you, and in fact can drop his Fortes before you.

I'll repeat: you're not disproving the 2nd player advantage. You're just telling me why they can sometimes lose, which obviously they can - in about 47% of cases, give or take. But any given situation you give me later than turn 3, the 2nd player is at an advantage, it's a mathematical fact.
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12955
Private game, please respond.
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>wake up in the middle of the night
>let's check /svg/!
>no /svg/ in title post, ugly ass shade as the OP image
>waifu posting low
>it's just people berating each other over dumb shit
>people getting butt hurt over things others do in a casual card game even though none of it affects them

Is this what happens when yurops wake up?
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>>158834739
nigga he wasn't talking about going 1st vs going 2nd, read his first post, he's talking about misplaying evos.
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>>158834712
It's definitely a fun card to play. You just put her out, evolve her and hit face for one third of your opponents health and then he might not even be able to get rid of her.

The face dragon deck is also focused entirely around her.
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>>158834739
Just read the last line again.
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>>158834735
>face dragon """player"""
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>>158834761
Thanks anon, have an insect maid.
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>>158834661
It does a little better against Tempo Elf than both and it does way better against Aggro and Midrange Royal decks because it has followers that can't be attacked directly. The only way Midrange Royal can win is if it gets a lot of wards early including Aurelia.
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>>158834771
Welcome to post-steam release /svg/.
It brought in a wave of retards.
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>>158834795
>>158834827
To begin with, the post he was replying to was a post discussing the 2nd player evolve advantage. If all you have to say about this is that sometimes people sometimes missplay because they sometimes evolve badly, there's no line of discussion to pursue here.

As long as we agree with the initial point (and we do) that going 2nd is clearly at an advantage, we can wrap this up.
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>>158834771
It's okay anon. Maybe when the steam hype dies down this thread will be nice again.
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For the anons that recommended me to build Face dragon:
This shit is fast and brutal. I can't stop. Halp.
Though there are some bad MUs here and there, but still it's fucking sick.
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This is the first CCG that i care about animated,gold stuff
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>>158834771
>>158834907
>>158834898
I really hate how /svg/ discusses the game now, I hope we can go back to the days of 1 post per 5 minutes with a picture of an anime girl, member that?

>>158834923
I always wonder who the type of people to enjoy dull linear trash like this are desu.
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Next expansion when.
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>>158834935
Forget to post, how do you create a webm of the cards?
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Oh shit, peak happening.
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Honestly not sure I would've kept my 5 dragon leggos off the reroll if it turned out the best way to play the class was to make a face deck

Too deep down the hole now though.
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>>158834970
People were even trying to bully out waifuposters a few threads back. It's a sad, sorry state the thread is in now. Just the same arguments being repeated every thread with zero variation.

>2nd turn advantage
>control isn't viable
>nerf haven

I have to wonder how people don't get bored of this.
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Started with Steam release and just beat elite ai, should i spend this on regular or darkness packs?
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Can I get a quick concede?
92102
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Is this a decent pull? Beast doninator and odin are animated
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Wew lad, always love it when this happens.
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>>158834970
>make midrange, control and combo decks 2-4x as expensive as aggro decks
>WAAAAH why are you playing those shit decks?
Gee anon, I don't know.
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>>158834970
>I always wonder who the type of people to enjoy dull linear trash like this are desu.
Hey, I had no choice. I'm not that high resource at the time and the cheapest deck out there that includes 3 Fortes is face dragon.
What's a man gotta do, huh?
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>>158834970
>discussing the game
>70% of posts are about rerolling or questions from people who can't read the OP

I'd take the old and slow threads over this every time.
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>>158835106
You spend it on doing arena if you want to be cost-efficient.
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>>158835124
It's great. You can liquify the Beast
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>>158835106
depends on which pack's cards you need more for your deck duh
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>>158835168
At least we aren't as bad as /hsg/ where 90% of posts are just shitty OC cards.
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>>158835123
Thank you anon.
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>>158835106
Standard. Foundation cards to build a deck are mostly there. DE packs are for icing later on.
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Once I move up from D to C, do I never rank down?

I kind of want to stay at D since I figured itd' be easier to do the daily 'win x amount of ranked games' at D than if I were to advance all the way to A or something
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>>158835106
Standard is the basic set if you have a small collection buy it first or buy Vania portrait
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>>158835141
Didn't ask why you play, asked why you ENJOY playing them.

I can grind with an aggro as much as the next guy, but to like it?

For that matter though, a deck that requires like, 3 legendaries at least is not a cheap one lmao you dumb cuck
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>>158835124
beast and flute are bad, the rest are good
with mary and queen vampire you could be on the way to a bloodcraft deck
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Wait... you're telling me... that the game gives me over 50 packs, for free???
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I'm really close to building the ptp forest deck except for the 3 ancient elves
what should I replace them with?
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>>158835145
Honestly most dragon decks should run 3 Forte
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>>158835245
>50 packs

Huh?
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>>158835139
You'd be absolutely diamonds if you played during Double rewards anon
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>>158835232
>move up from D to C, do I never rank down?
never , when reset you will stilll in the same rank
>>158835245
Yes and if you still want more you can use your mobile or a emulator you can re roll a account and start with a good deck
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>>158835245
40 packs for finishing the tutorial, yeah. And then gives you some more for finishing the story missions
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>>158835141
>>158835145
Maybe, you know... build a budget deck?
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>>158835245
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>>158835241
Why shouldn't he enjoy it? Because it's simple and not deep and thought provoking like your control/combo nonsense? Because chaining Altered Fates into PtP or Roach number counting isn't exactly what I'd call deep.
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>>158835283
>except for the 3 ancient elves
Doesn't sound very close to me.
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>>158835283
The deck is sincerely not worth playing without 2 at least. No idea why you crafted Tias before them.

>>158835329
You don't get packs for story missions.

You do however get 1400 gold, or 14 packs, from beating the elite A.I
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>>158834906
Slightly.
I still thinks that you're be able to play your key cards first is still an advantage for people going first, even after turn 4.

Like before DE, people going first can simply evolve a Mount Goblin on an empty board and the second player ends up using two evovle point to take back the board control in the following turns.

There are cards having more value than two evolve points, simply because you play them first.
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>>158835241
>tfw the only viable deck of your main is aggro
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The fuck is happening? This thread is somehow the only one going and I can't post in or open threads anywhere else on 4chan.
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>>158835301
Only started a month ago sadly.
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>>158835283
Any decent forest deck will always be built around 3 Ancient Elves and 3 roaches unless they get nerfed.
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>>158835232
You never rank down, and your unranked matches keep pace with your rank.
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>>158835370
>Why shouldn't he enjoy it? Because it's simple and not deep and thought provoking like your control/combo nonsense? Because chaining Altered Fates into PtP or Roach number counting isn't exactly what I'd call deep.

A fundamental misunderstanding of the skill gap between aggro and control. What makes them more skilled aside from the usage of the cards is the long term planning and options. A deck like face Dragoncraft which just puts itself at topdecking situations turn 6 has only 5 turns of thinking required, as opposed to the 10+ you get from a control/combo deck.
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>>158835241
>Didn't ask why you play, asked why you ENJOY playing them.
I'm not the guy you originally replied to.
I'm more of a control, combo player myself, but I can't deny that aggro bat for example gives you a certain bloodrush.
>For that matter though, a deck that requires like, 3 legendaries at least is not a cheap one lmao you dumb cuck
Because it's easier to roll for 3 specific legendaries than it is for 6+, you fucking dumbass.
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Does this game do end of season rewards like HS?
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Also, the legendaries here are easy as fuck to get, right? I'm getting a shitton of rainbows
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>>158835331
The problem with these retards is that they come in and ask for a cheap tier 1 netdeck so they can start stomping everything on their first day.
What happened to having fun? When I started I didn't reroll and I spent at least 2 weeks in the shitter ranks with my shitter deck learning the game the way it's meant to be.
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>>158835426
>trapped in the mobage
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>>158835006
Use a video capturing software of your choice (if you're on Win 10, the Xbox app has a convenient capture feature), then convert it to webm with a video conversion program. I use https://github.com/WebMBro/WebMConverter for that.
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>>158835286
As much as I want to run others like Ramp, they're fat mor expensive than face from the looks of it.
When I have more resource you best believe I'll play decks other than face. But for now, gonna slam some dragon cunts on people's faces.

>>158835331
But face dragon IS my budget deck. Or do you really want me to run banner sword?
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>>158835243
>>158835194
Guess ill keep it then. Thanks.
Those are the gold cards I got. Anything good in there?
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>>158835472
You can build about 5 different mid-range/combo decks that don't require more than 3 legendaries you absolute autist. Also rolling specifically for 3 Fortres is LAUGHABLY improbable, you'd have to craft at least one.
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>>158835331
And spend hours conceding yourself down just so you can do daily quests?
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>>158835469
Bruh, I don't feel very enlightened while playing CSword, Rune or PtPtreehuggers.
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>>158835106
BUY THE LEADER PACK, NOW
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>>158835492
Yeah. You shouldn't keep an initial roll with less than 6 or 8
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>>158831642
Shit, guess I've got to save up vials.
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>>158835482
The rewards are claimed during the ladder when the season ends this just reset every point
>>158835492
yes and is 8 cards per pack
>>158835525
thanks
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>>158835331
>>158835552
Honestly you can't blame people for the shit daily quest designs.
This has the same problem as Hearthstone/Duelyst. It's always "WIN x games as y" instead of "PLAY x games as y".
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>>158835525
You could tune down the bitrate a bit. 3MB for a 5 second clip is a bit excessive.
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Holy shit Luna is sexy.
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>>158835626
Hearthstone just added a bunch of new quests that arent win x games with x class
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>>158835560
A very robust retort, you sure showed me.
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>>158835514
What if I just wanna win a whole bunch so I get the ladder rewards so I can get closer to building the decks I actually wanna play like Seraph Haven
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>>158834689
Satan got changed out if I remember right, even then Lucifer is still there so you could argue that's possibly not even a ~muh censorship~ thing and just swapping a name for better clarity.
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>>158835626
>It's always "WIN x games as y" instead of "PLAY x games as y".
Wait, if you think about it, isn't the "PLAY x games as y" more absurd than "Win x games as y"? People would just insta-concede as soon as they get on.
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>>158835742
>face dragon """player"""
>build something that cant go to the face
Sure.
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It's losaria right? new story when ???
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Should I keep this? First timer here.

Vania is cute
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>>158835245
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>>158835783
Hearthstone solved this by having "play X minions/class cards quests" just last week.
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>>158835546
>You can build about 5 different mid-range/combo decks that don't require more than 3 legendaries you absolute autist.
And most of them will suck. I have a budget mid range dragon and the best he can do is getting a bunch of wins for daily quests, if I take enough time to factor in the losses.

A real midrange dragoncraft would be FUCKING 36,5K VIALS. HOLY SHIT.
>Also rolling specifically for 3 Fortres is LAUGHABLY improbable, you'd have to craft at least one.
And?
It's possible to get two and you craft the third by vialing a bunch of useless stuff. You don't have to take me that literally.
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>>158835807
I'm not even that guy, I built an aggro bat deck.
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How to reroll on steam version?
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>>158835694
Yeah, I bet she would look super cute if she were pregnant, too.
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>>158835882
You can't, get an emulator if you want to do that.
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>>158835469
>control decks
>skill
>LUL MOM LOOK I SPAM REMOVALS AND WARDS UNTIL I CAN PLAY FAT LEGGOS AND OLIVIAS
>skill
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>>158835738
Funfact: He did.
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>>158835835
>2 Garuda 1 themis 2 seraph
A lot of useful things if you want to play haven go for it
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>>158834717
>Do people prefer gibberish to English?

The weeb answer is going to be yes, because it's a super frequent occurrence that you'll hear people say like "Heh the NATIVE LANGUAGE is soooo much better" and then they'll flat out tell you they don't even speak it, they just want to say it's better so they can suck off a script they don't actually understand. It gets even funnier when you watch the original and the JP voices are actually shit for one reason or another and even a bad or meh dub sounds like it has more effort.
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>>158835872
>A real midrange dragoncraft
Isnt playable in current meta.
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>>158835783
That's why you make concede's not count you dunce.
You think I'm going to complain about shit quest design and then replace it with more shit quest design?
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do you ever feel bad about winning games

sometimes i do
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>>158835958
No way i can do bloodcraft?
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>>158836017
>ptp
you better
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>>158836017
I dunno how you can feel bad beating sword.
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>>158836057
You could, since the only viable deck doesn't run any legendaries.
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>>158836017
Yeah, I didn't start playing ranked until I finished tempo forest. Playing that deck in D rank felt pretty dirty.
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>>158836057
The only bloodcraft deck good for now is aggr and you will need more vania and fortress.
desu i would keep it play with have nand with time make a blood deck
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>>158836057
Aggro Blood doesn't need any legendaries but you'd need 2 more Vampys and 2 Vampiric Fortresses.
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>>158836017
I once beat a Dragon player as Sword by using Angelic Barrage when my board was empty and his board was absolutely stacked with wards and stuff but he was on 1 HP.
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>>158836017
No.
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>>158836073
It wasn't even active lmao I just saved it on the tiny chance I would topdeck rhinoceroach for the bullshit victory
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>>158835402
>>158835402


Oh, I came up with a more univeral example.

Bane minion.

If I put down a Bane minion first, even you get one more evolve points, you can't regain board with evolve.
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>>158835990
It's like they're projecting their frustration at their inability to speak Japanese by tearing down the actual qualified translators
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>>158835214
90% of posts are just bitching about "Muh class" or mid-range Shaman.*

Fixed that for you.
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Haven't checked /svg/ for a while and now look at this thread.
>People are now triggered that others are playing a certain deck
>People are now triggered that others are enjoying a certain deck
What happened, /svg/? Sure there was whining back then but not nearly as cancer-inducing as this one. Did we change? Or did others change us?
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R I N
G O N
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>>158836295
Steam happened
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>>158836295
it's the old /hsg/ "muh honorabru patrician deck" shit

thanks steam
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Reminder that you CANNOT post a picture of any girl from this game with ANYTHING LESS THAN A B CUP or you are a pedophile.
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>>158836295
Look around some more, there are retards actually defending the dub, the censorship and the shitty meme localization.
Steam release really did bring in a lot of shitters.
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Demonic storm is such a strong card I love it.
Especially against forest. It feels so good when It kills 5 turn Tia cancer.
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newbie here, is this normal?
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>>158836370
no
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>>158836370
Getting rainbow cards isn't normal.
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>crafts a 25k midrange sword deck
>it literally does worse than meme bats
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>>158835652
Eh, it's not like I'm making these to use as reaction pics, so I'd like the quality to stay as high as possible.
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>>158836370
Define normal.
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>>158835694
>Luna is sexy
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>>158836419
>not even on model
fucking die steam scum
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>>158836237
Yes, because it's impossible to learn Japanese for a native English speaker. That's how no one can tell that entire scenes in the story mode, like Arisa meeting Luna, were basically rewrites.
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So I have a friend whose sole purpose in card games is to get the one perfect deck that let's you steal the shit out of your opponent. In HS he just loved priest and in Yu-Gi-Oh! he had a really wacky steal your shit deck with synchros. I usually play with him when I get into new card games, is there a deck like that here?
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>>158836364
"""""Censorship"""""

One name.
One dumb cleavage shot.

Ooooooh the fuckin humanity anon. Also the only meme is the spergs believing this is some Vento Aureo level translation shit.
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>>158836295
You forgot preDE threads when everyone bithching about muh ptp/shadow/sprint dragon?
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Half the fucking cards called Dragon in this game aren't in the Dragoncraft deck
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>>158836482
No.
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>YOU'LL NEVER HURT OTOHIME
>YOU'LL NEVER HURT OTOHIME
>YOU'LL NEVER HURT OTOHIME
>YOU'LL NEVER HURT OTOHIME
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>>158836482
No, and even if there was it'd be useless a lot of the time because of class exclusive abilities like vengence or or commanders
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>>158836510
I don't give a fuck if it were a single pixel on Urias' nipple.
The fact that something got changed for no reason remains.
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>>158836520
well... he really liked aromages in yu-gi-oh so maybe he can make a loli deck
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>>158836517
I won't deny that there was bitching back then, but to me it's pretty tame compared to now.
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>>158836464
Most weebs will learn like a few phrases and some janky ass conversational understanding maybe then pretend to be educated from there.
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>>158836510
I doubt anyone is getting annoyed with what was censored, more the decision to do it in the first place. It was dumb of them to bother when there was no real reason to do it.

>>158836606
Basically this.
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>Animated Atomeme

Should I vial him?
>>
>I'M COMING FOR YOU
>I'M COMING FOR YOU
>I'M COMING FOR YOU
>I'M COMING FOR YOU
>I'M COMING FOR YOU
>DESPICABLE
>DESPICABLE
>DESPICABLE
>DESPICABLE
>DESPICABLE
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>>158836561
>No Ward.
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>>158836648
FUCK meant to link >>158836603
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>>158836689
Wheres sounds of evolve and coco with mimi???
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>>158836670
I never vial any animated cards desu, they're just too cute to destroy
But then again I may have autism so go ahead
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>>158836689
>Ghost will never cum for you
>Why live?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COhSan3UMw8

Cute CUTE
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Should i reroll?
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>>158836603
You're a massive joke along with pretty much everyone else who cries foul over shit this stupid. Every time I see people like you or the other clowns having meltdowns over the travesty that is one cleavage shot being partway more covered, all I can think is that you're all full of shit about anything actually pertaining to "censorship" past easy little bitch gripes like this. Please do feel free to go and campaign and support initiatives against real censorship such as oppressive policies against ethnic minorities across the world, political prisoners being taken, blatantly unlawful information being withheld and only found out through whistleblowers and major security leaks. But strangely enough people like you are never there for that, whatever happens to all these brave internet souls that are so steadfastly against censorship when it's not a mindless little whinge over some anime titties or a hot spring scene, I wonder anon.
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>>158836169
>>158836136


>>158836165
I'll do just that thanks fampaitachi
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>Humph! I'm leaving!
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>>158836765
Well I'm also not in the habit of liquefying animated cards but his only use is comboing with phantom howl and if I can't use him it's just 2500 vials sitting there.
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>people just spam quotes from the game now
>there's no discussion
>people just bitch endlessly about decks even if they had a good match-up on them
>people try to talk exclusively about "memes"
>waifuposting at an all time low
>"I'm too stupid to decide if I want to keep this roll or not" central
Thanks Steam.
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>>158836845
yeah
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>>158836823
It ALMOST works, but that neck/head position is fucked too badly.
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>>158836845
Depending of the golds
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>>158836823
I bet Luna sells herself to old men
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So I started on Steam and people tell me to reroll using Bluestacks, but I've noticed that you get 6 fewer boosters on the phone version. I got 6 Legendaries, is that a good enough roll?
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>>158836913
>Dead old men
fixed that for you.
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>>158836872
I want to pull on that t-back.
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>>158836342
>"muh honorabru patrician deck"
None of the steamshitters can afford those, if anything that would be the "old" community being cancerous.
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>>158836858
>worse things happen so this is okay
Fallacy of relative privation
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>>158836913
so would you if you knew the pleasure of being cummed inside
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>>158836894
Just remember, you wanted this.
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>>158836912
>>
Whats the cheap competitive viable deck of shadowverse?
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>>158836858
>Rogue anonymous gets real as fuck

Jesus famiglia
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>>158836937
depends on the legendaries
when you get a good roll on an emulator (leapdroid is better) you can transfer that save to steam and then you get those 6 extra packs on top
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>>158836937
it would be slower if you re roll on steam.

>6legos
is good since 3,5 is average but quantity over quality
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>>158837065
>quantity over quality
don't give him stupid advice
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>>158837036

This is what I got.
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>>158837114
all over the place, reroll
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>>158836962
I never said "This is okay", I said the reaction to it in places is really stupid and I get tired of people blabbing that they're "against censorship all the way" etc. when all it ever amounts to is nagging about videogames on message boards.
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>>158837114
Animated Erasmus is so fucking swag.
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>>158837020
re roll desu
>>158837095
misstiped here sorry
>>158837065
*Quality over quantity
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>>158837065
>>158837095
>>158837136

What exactly am I looking for? Multiples of a single Legendary? And which one? Tia?
>>
>Tam Lin is a guy
O-oh no....
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>>158837065
How you you re roll on steam?
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>>158837185
https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/rerolling-guide
>>
Anyone else fucking hate Lucifer

Every time that card gets played it drags out the fight for another five minutes
>>
https://www.twitch
.tv/japanesports

whose ready for esports
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>>158837185
depends on what you want to play really
I'd do the first mission of every character (they're quick) to see which class you like the most and then decide on a deck and then you'll know which legendaries to go for also >>158837258
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>>158836419
>Those piercings
>Faceless undefined mudmen

0/10
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>>158837271
RIP that rune player
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>>158837235
creating a new account
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>>158837271
i just started watching that
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>it's the Elana's Prayer stops Aggro Bat meme
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>>158837271
>we esports nao
Wait, THIS fast? WTF were the nips thinking?
>>
Do I need to do the campaigns to get the basic cards for the respective decks like in Hearthstone?
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>>158837268
Why should i care about t8 card?
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>>158836937
Depends on the legendaries.
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>>158837362
you get cards on mission 1 and 6 each
>>
So what will they """"nerf"""" about Forest this time? When will they fucking realize that nothing will happen if roach and Ancient Elf remain as is? Tia, Cynthia, and Liza aren't even that good, if they didn't have Roach to end the game from any situation, or Ancient Elf to stall and bounce at any point in game.

Are they gonna give Haven the Fores treatment too, and """nerf"""" it, without touching Aria or Garuda?
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>>158837362
yes, story missions 1 and 6 give you the cards
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>>158837359
SV has been e-sports in Japan for awhile.
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>tfw you will never dance with her
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PtP vs DShift is in DShift's advantage but if the PtP player draws really well it seems impossible for DShift.

Also the tech by this tourney stream showing the hand of the opponent like that.
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>>158837339
WTF DUDE? Elana is so much op literally nothing can stop her since the early game is strong sarcams
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>>158837362
You unlock only 2 cards for each class through the story, but they're pretty powerful ones when you're starting out.
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Why is heavencraft players so stupid?
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Holy fucking shit

Got Oracle and Forte against a Haven player trying to play amulets and won on turn 5

Now I see why Dragon is fun
>>
just started playing and want to use my tickets. Do i buy standard card packs or darkness evolved?
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>>158837478
>they're pretty powerful ones when you're starting out.
you mean 3-offs in every deck of the class until the end of ime
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>>158836643

Yep. I really can't understand the mindset where the quality of a translation is evaluated based on whether it would get a good grade in high school Japanese class instead of whether it's actually entertaining.

If what you want is the Japanese version, then just go play it. Or at least do a detailed side-by-side evaluation of English and Japanese and discuss the merits like Mato does, rather than just shitting on the English without even considering what the localizers were trying to do with it.

The Japanese voices in this game are no-one-gave-a-shit generic anime characters, while the English ones are full of personality. Sure there are a few stinkers, but the vast majority of English cards are great.

As for the leader dub, does "Even though I lost, it was fun" sound like something a little kid would actually say to these people? That is just obviously shitty writing.
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>>158837498
You can't chose
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>>158837339
>not evolving the bat
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>>158837339
>>158837339
Elana Haven does well against Bat but you don't drop Elana on curve
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>>158837471
Anyone who's not a retard knows Elana is perfectly balanced. It doesn't auto win against fast aggro like Banner or bats, and it actually struggles against other control decks if it doesn't tech in Seraph/Satan/Odin/Olivia, and of course, it auto loses to D.Shift. Storm Haven is the problem in the class, specifically le birdman of 3 face damage. They fucking nerfed Cursed Soldier when he was a worse, conditional Garuda, and yet they let this bullshit run rampant.
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>>158837480
>2x mordecais and lotf on arena
>mom i won!
K
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ooooooooohhhhhhhhhh, this dirty jap
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>>158837480
>heavencraft

yea, they're the stupid ones.
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>>158837339
>playing aggro bat without Vania skin
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>>158837498
Tickets are locked to packs

But once you've used them up you still want to go for standard.
It's better to craft Darkness stuff as there's a lower ratio of good stuff in the packs and Standard cards are more important to decks
>>
>>158837519
>Rose Gardener
>Demonflame Mage
>Wardrobe Raider
I don't know if Dragon Warrior is played in Face Dragon, but people were dropping it from lists before DE
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>>158837541
"I am the arbiter of how characters should express themselves regardless of the author's intent and I do not like the fact that they gave her a mischievous yet mature personality so I think they should just completely rewrite it"
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NO-ONE POST LUNA IN THIS THREAD
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>tfw cockblocked by Ancient Elf
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>>158837621
I don't get it.What happened?
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>Rune vs Dragon
Rip dragon? >>158837271
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>>158837498
>tried one of each
>darkness evolved gave me archangel reina

shes shiny as fuck. did i get lucky?
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>>158837785
Right as I was dealing the killing blow he ALT+F4'd his client.
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>>158837759
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>>158837621
sometimes it's a legit dc/altf4 and you get the win after a few secs
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>>158837564
>not drawing attention away from the bat due to synergy
Git gud.

>>158837645
>not being the biggest, baddest Vampire with a loli harem
>self-inserting into little girls
Lmao, get a load of this fag.
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>>158837828
>implying loli vampires arent stronger than old dudes

there is a reason why Alucard had a female girl form you know.
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isabelle's removals are fucking cancer
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>>158837519
Only Cudgel/Floral are guaranteed a permanent spot in the class. Playful Necro is honestly not that good, and is only played for the lack of better options. It will go the way of Wardrobe Raider, which was also "not bad", but simply isn't even remotely as good as Cudgel or Floral. Dragon Warrior is the one that can match up to those 2, and even he gets dropped from some lists, because he's not aggro friendly.

We don't discuss trash like Demonflame, or Gardner, they don't even exist, and aren't even worth playing in basic decks. For the best I suppose, Forest doesn't need more broken shit, and solitaire won't play anything on 4 that isn't Merlin levels of broken. Earthrite got Remi Rami so they got their 4 PP good evo.
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>>158837271
did that guy just kill his lucifer for no reason

that's not very esports
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Anyone want to help out with a private win daily? stick around if you have one too
41061
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>>158837770
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>>158837885
>there is a reason why Alucard had a female girl form you know.
Yeah, because when if you are all-powerful you don't give a shit and might as well just troll a bit.
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>>158837828
I like to play with Vania thinking that she is siting in my lap cheering and playing with me.

Like iny my pic
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Luna lewd dakimakura when?
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Reminder to remove Elf whenever encountered.
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Japs are streaming some tournament again

https://www.twitch
.tv/japanesports
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>>158837770
Most broken legendary in the game. Free huge early game dominating minion that also protects face and lets you reuse your resources, and is a combo piece late game, and is literally never bad in any situation. Who thought this fucking trash was alright? Imagine if Blood got a 3 mana ward Soul Dealer that enabled Veng and got +1/+1 for each HP point it took off. Forest's class mechanic isn't "combo", it's having the most overtuned card.
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>Just watched someone play their Crystalia Tia with 4 followers already out.

They immediately DC'd.
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>>158836858
Are you that stupid? We're here to discuss a certain topic (this game) so of course you'll see relevant censorship complaints here. If you want to go and see ethnic minorities complain go to a board that discusses that.
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>>158838091
>it's having the most overtuned cards.
fixed
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>>158838072
>That fucking Angel Snipe topdeck
Fuck, my sides.
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>>158838072
So the game does have a spectator mode where the cards of both players are visible?
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>>158838156
This has to be new because the recent rage tournament with 1k players did not have this.
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>>158837710
負けちゃったけど楽しかった isn't especially an especially mature thing to say in Japanese, but it is something that sounds like what a kid would say. The Japanese authors were, I think, prioritizing that childlike tone over the actual content of the words. The tone, however, totally shifts when you translate it literally, which is probably why they changed the English.

Again, you're prioritizing high school translation techniques and refusing to actually interact with the the translation as a creative work. If you want the unmediated original, then go play it.
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>>158838072
Tuned in just in time to see snipe meme, thanks for the link.
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>>158836430
What memebat deck are you running?
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>>158838156
The spectator mode has been in for a while but when I last saw it on a stream it didn't have the visible cards, maybe it came with the steam patch or something.
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>Urd isn't run in Dragon stop talking
>First thing I see in stream is guy running Urd in Dragon

Yea, go fuck yourself /svg/.
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The only complaint about this game that I have is that I can't fucking read my cards when turns are being ended or followers are being evolved, it's really frustrating. I'd just rather just hover over a card to see what they do whenever I want to.
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>>158837541
"B-buh muh literal word for word translation"

Never got it and don't think I really can. Like you said, that's also the case in a lot of anime where people will do nothing but cry about the dub when they can't understand the original.

>Go watch raws of X or Y
>Everyone just does that par for the course animu acting of the guys are broody low voiced edgemeisters or sadsacks, the girls are either bubbly but similarly downtrodden or they're epib crazygirl voiced
>The dubs while they might obviously have some lower lows, can at least be entertaining even with the shittiest examples in them and then the good performances are just that

There's a whole, whole lot of horribly mediocre acting even in super popular anime, but as if weebs will even entertain the idea that muh original untainted version could be worse than baka gaijin localization.

But before anyone blows too many blood vessels here, I'm not saying every dub is somehow better than the original, not even close to that, just that it's laughable how buttblasted some people are to even entertain the idea of ANY of them being better.
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>>158838316
>guy sacrifices his evolved luci into iceform

These are the kind of retards that run TURD.
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>>158838316
>pick urd
>lose
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>>158838316
Why wouldn't you run Urd in face dragon to get double forte attacks?
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>>158838316
If you actually checked the links at the top of the thread you'd beable to find good decks and see that they actually have urd in
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>>158838316
Is this your first card game? Ladder and tournaments are entirely different beasts.
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>>158838350
Yeah but at least that's going to become less of an issue once you know all the cards anyway.
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>>158838008
But the truth sucks.
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>>158838316
>Urd isn't run in Dragon
???
She was always in dragon decks.
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Erika is a slut. SLUT!
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>>158838392
>>158838393
>>158838409
>>158838440
I said to the guy ITT that you run it and he told me to stop posting, retards gonna retard I guess.
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>>158838459
DELETE THIS
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>>15883782
>tfw I literally refused to play blood until I have enough gold to buy her skin
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>>158838459
Erika in her natural habitat.
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>>158838459
>>
Rate the story modes for each or just your own top 3.

Just finished Forest and i didn't care for it. Going in order left to right Erika's is much better.
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>>158838459
>Nipple

mods pls
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>>158838459
Is that a nipple
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>>158838492
>Hating on based Urias
Sure, he's no Vampy, but Blood is the only class with 2 good leaders. I can't imagine playing Dragon without Forte, and Rune/Forest has 2 shit/boring leaders.
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>>158838492
Are u slav or amerifat?
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>>158838459
>GOBBIE'S FEELING HUNGRY
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>>158838604
It's covered.
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>>158838459
Erika is Princess-sexual only
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>>158838459
YOU MUST DIE
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>>158838621
>the only class with 2 good
>he dont like based mordecai
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>>158838650
>dub
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>>158838726
AFTER ME, SOLDIERS
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>>158838459
This would be hotter if Erika's face didn't look so bad.
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This actually looks pretty nice. Good job, cygames.
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>>158835575
what do you get for it
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How good is this game's story? I don't like to play games without a good plot.
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lel

The Forest cards I had meant I could get loads of Fairies but couldn't combo off of them

So I just beat a Haven player by always having enough fairies on the board to remove their followers. I had nothing but control
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>>158838706
Mordecai's JP voice is too serious to be likable, and Luna's English voice is cringe as fuck. Mordecai is only fucking thing I'd rather have in English, because he becomes fucking Matador, instead of le generic spoopy swordsman. What I'm saying is, just give me a fucking Cerb leader already.
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>>158838468
I assume you're talking about the guy that was explaining why the anon didn't run Urd in his face dragon deck?
If so, he's still kinda correct. Granted there are many face dragon variations out there, most of them don't even run +5 drop cards except Forte. Adding other 5+ drops would defeat the purpose of guaranteed Forte when you have emissary.
But in your defense, the other anon was retarded for denying that a variant where Urd is used exists somewhere.
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>>158838778
>actually having a working spectator mode for tournaments

They have the technology!
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>>158838492
>turbo-bara vampire
>not better than generic loli vampire

You must be joking
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>>158838783
What story?
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>>158838726
B-but if you don't play the dub, then how do you know this is from the dub?
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how this
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>>158838778
Funny that it looks much better than Hearthstone's spectator mode.
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>>158838783
>card game

what do you think retard
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>>158838621
>le skies only belong to BLACKED dragons
>good
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>>158838778
>elf on elf action
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>>158838913
Good

Golem and Flute are shit depending of you golds you can keep it
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>>158838928
What does HS look like for comparison?
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>>158838935
Do you think Forte has her dragonewt pussy massively gaped and distended by huge dragon cocks on an hourly or just daily basis?
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>>158838934
>>158838904
Oh, too bad. I was told this game had a rich story mode. Guess it's another brainless exercise in motor "skill"instead of being an evocative, intellectual art, like a proper work of art should be.
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>>158838701
She can suffocate me with her labia.
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>>158838861
I don't remember the exact topic at hand, I think he was just generally talking about Urd being a useless card and I said that I'd seen it used in Dragon a few times.
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>>158838913
Dealer, Flute and Golem are pretty bad
Pascale is core to earth rite rune but the deck itself is not very good atm
Tia, Aurelia, Otohime and Odin are great
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>>158838971
opening two clients and having part of one client turned 180° and overlying the first client
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>>158838992
Forte is a Doraf not a dragonewt.
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>>158839014
It has a story, but you'll only get it if you played other CyGames games and know japanese to avoid translation
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How can I see the nips' chat in twitch?
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Tempo or PtP elf? I have 2 Tia's and 3 Elfs, which is more fun to play?
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>>158839027
It's useless in Face Dragon. Everyone acknowledges it's useful in Storm and Midrange Dragon.
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>>158838820
>Luna's English voice is cringe as fuck
And thats great.
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Um my opponent instantly conceded in arena

Thanks retards!
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I'm going on a dusting spree to make a proper deck, any of these worth keeping

>Legendary
Jeanne D'Arc, Gabriel (I have 3), Soul Dealer, Zirnitra, Fairy Princess, Mythril Golem

>Gold
Incandescent Dragon, Archangel Reina, Petal Dancer, Madame Lich,Phantom Dragon, Ceridwen, Kaguya, Chorus of Prayer
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>>158839084
They aren't chatting on twitch.

https://www.openrec.tv/live/v_Z9x_SLSY0
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>>158839014
Good lord you sound like a twat anon.
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>>158839119
Golem and Jeanne are shit just vial this just
>>158839119
Tbh Kaguya is shit
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>この領域は絶対不可侵。立ち去りなさい!!
>我は氷晶の剣なり
>この領域は絶対不可侵。立ち去りなさい!!
>我は氷晶の剣なり
>この領域は絶対不可侵。立ち去りなさい!!
>我は氷晶の剣なり
>この領域は絶対不可侵。立ち去りなさい!!
>我は氷晶の剣なり

Typical Elf mirror.
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>>158839119
keep Jeanne, Zirnitra and 2 Gabriels

keep Ceridwen and Kaguya
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>>158839119
>Keep
Jeanne
Gabriel (at least 1, 2 to be safe)
Soul Dealer (unless you're never playing Blood)
Fairy Princess (unless you're never playing meme Rose Queen combo)

Rest is easy dust.
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Out of 20 rerolls this is the best account
Fug
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>>158839119
It kind of depends man, what do you intend on playing? Like Jeanne is fringe viable or could easily be viable in future decks - the effect is strong, just not needed right now. Soul Dealer is used in certain Blood decks. Probably no deck ever will need 3 Gabriels.

If you want only what is used in the meta right now and don't care about accommodating some weaker decks then you can dust Jeanne, all Gabriels, Soul Dealer, Fairy Princess and Mithril Golem.
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>SV took less time to get a spec mode for tournaments than HS did

Blizzard is a small indie developer
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>>158839230
yea yea shut up weeb
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Remove Forestcraft from the game.
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>>158838964
>>158839045
these are the golds
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>>158839272
Depending of the golds
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>>158839298
I'm pretty sure cygames has more money than Blizzard.
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>>158839272
>20
Buckle down son, you're just getting started. I had rerolls with literally 0 golds and legendaries back when I started, and we only had 20 free packs. That's a decent reroll though.
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>>158839130
Thanks
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Anyone have the main menu background art?
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>>158839360
With the backing of Activision? I wouldn't doubt it though due to the whales in GBF
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>>158839360
There's no such thing as Blizzard, ActiBlizz has more money than Cygames.
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>>158839343
A LOT of useful things you should keep it but you won't have a TOP S deck rightway

>>158839298
I'm pretty sure blizzard developer don't do a shit and pay for japanese programmers to make they game half budget
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>>158839360
Have you seen Blizzards marketing? No fucking way in hell
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That guy is such a creepy pedo.
>>
Do I just go and blow all these pack tickets as soon as I get them or is there some kind of dumb trick to using them or what.
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>>158839068
Pay no heed to the weeb. The story is self contained and the translation is good.
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>>158836017
I felt bad about grinding out ranks in D when I can tell 80% of my opponents are completely new to card games
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>>158839435
Have you seen CyGames jp marketing? Because, as usual, foreigners are a secondary market.
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>>158839479
You purchase them and then put your dick on your phone and swipe across the cards for better luck.
Haven't worked out how to do it on steam yet.
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>>158839279
I'm not sure what class I like to be honest they're all pretty fun. I've basically gone through the entire tier list on shadowverse.gamepress.gg and filtered out Golds/Legos that I owned that weren't on there.

Meta stuff I do have are:
>Legendaries
2x Aurelia, Queen Vampire, Sun Oracle, Sea Queen Otohime, Lucifer, Princess of Darker
>Golds
Rhinoceroach, Dragonewt Scholar, Rogue's Creed, Foul Tempest, Strategem, Phantom Howl, Conjuring Force, Erinyes, Timeworn Mage Levi, Vania, Ancient Alchemist, 3x Diabolic Drain, 2x Angel Crusher, Temptress Vampire, 3x Dimension Shift, Archangel Reina, Genesis Dragon

Does my collection push me closer towards certain classes?

>>158839258
>>158839246
>>158839215
I'll think more about dusting those
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>>158839479
Always wait until you have 11/x1 tickets.
After opening 10 packs, the lonely 1 ticked pack has a higher chance for golds, but lower chance for legendaries.
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Are the Rage of Bahamut leaders limited? Or can I slowly farm enough rupees to get the whole pack some day?
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>>158839473
>Pedo
Fairies aren't children though, they'll forever be that size and sound that squeeky. Only Arisa and May are not adults.
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>>158839517
Activision-Blizzard has more money than God, anon.
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>>158839615
>Underestimating Nintendo.
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>>158839429
Yeah kinda figured as much but I'm not really bothered
Thanks
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>>158839550
3x D shift 1 levi

You can make a budget Dshift deck or a Sword

>>158839473
http://gelbooru.com//images/76/e3/76e3ae3960166a2a6bd329d8ce9f03d3.webm
You don't know what a fairy can do
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>>158839364
>>158839357
Actually I just opened some more free
packs so the account looks like this
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Are Isabella's art assets the only one censored?
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>>158839608
They've been there for months.

>>158839517
Nigger, Cygames only market is their tiny island nation. ActiBlizz's market is global. Hell, the US market alone will make 10 times the JP market.
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Oh baby, I just got another Joan of Arc. Getting dupe legendaries feels so good in this game, I get a hard on for consistency.
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>>158839692
>Global
That's an overestimation, really.
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BEST GIRL
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>>158839298
>>158839360
idk whether or not they have more money, but CyGames runs Granblue AND Starlight Stage, which are both top 5/10 apps for raking in cash. I don't know about GB, but SS tops the charts when a big gacha goes out, I'm sure it's the same with GB.

>>158839692
You heavily underestimate JP gacha's.
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>>158839680
That's some good shit son, literally all those legendaries are ones you'll be crafting sooner or later other than meme dominator. You have a good start for control Sword, Blood, PtP/tempo Forest, solitaire, and aggro Dragon.
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>>158839119
Keep 1 Gabriel, Zimitra and that's about it

Fuck the rest
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>>158839680
Keep, also liquify the Homecoming because it gives 800 vials right now.
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>>158839780
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>>158839550
Swordcraft and Runecraft are easily your best choices
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>>158838598
Stories are all trash. VA-wise, Urias is the best. Gameplay-wise, Haven and Dragon were probably the most challenging.
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>>158839780
Too bad she's hard gay. Maybe urias will make her straight (and vice versa)
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>>158839746
Jeanne's top qt. I wish she was easier to fit in a Haven deck.
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>>158839298
Pretty sure Blizzard doesn't care as much for HS as much as Cygames cares about SV. HS only has a 5 man dev team for crying out loud.
>>
>>158839861
>>158839668
I think I'll make a proper Runecraft deck since its a lot cheaper than Midrange Swordcraft, thanks
>>
>>158839897
Buddy, I got some bad news for you about Urias.
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>>158839819
>You heavily underestimate JP gacha's.
If every resident of Japan was a gambling addict they would still have a smaller customer base than ActiBlizzard's.

>>158839775
Now you're just being retarded on purpose. If WoW, Hearthstone, and Call of Duty aren't global franchises, nothing is. Cygames isn't fucking Tencent, stop acting like it is.
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>>158840000
>and vice versa
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>>158839668
>http://gelbooru.com//images/76/e3/76e3ae3960166a2a6bd329d8ce9f03d3.webm
Anon please can you post the right link, I'm mildly interested in fairy anatomy
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>>158839897
>The elderly homosexual Vampire, who's also gay for royalty himself will make her straight
>>
>Decide to run winter's caprice/3x barrage
>That feel when board is snowmen, but only you have conjuring force.
>>158840015
>CoD
That's like taking FGO and saying that its the biggest thing ever, because Sony.
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Are two Mordecais in T2 over the top or should I roll with it?
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how usual are balance patches?

only facing havenshit is getting boring after a while
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>>158839996
Runecraft has no good waifu cards
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>guy bounces tia up and down and gets her off a bunch
>your husbando arrives and saves you from elven child molesters
Is there a better one?
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>>158840169
>two Mordecais
Dude, it's infinite value times two
>>
>>158840093
Maybe Urias will enjoy fighting Erika so much he falls in love with her
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>>158840221
Get out of the beginner and every opponent will be elf.
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>>158838003
you dont see other vampires trolling around in male forms do you?
>>
Very first pack I opened, I got one silver glowy Forest Giant, two gold glowy cards one a 'Devourer of Heavens' and the other 'Love's Gospel', then one with a rainbow-y sunshine kind of effect called 'Kaleidoscopic Glow'. Are things looking good?
>>
>>158840270
But how will they have children if he's undead and she's a lesbian?
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>>158840068
I already tried to search for the sauce but looks like a solo work

>>158840169
Mordcai is OP
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>>158840276
i just hit B1 and 8/10 opponents have been haven so far
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>>158840325
That never stopped his lust for Baltazar
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>>158840221
>haven

literally what even, the meta is nothing but knife eared fucked right now
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>>158840112
>That's like taking FGO and saying that its the biggest thing ever, because Sony.
Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. CoD is the most popular shooter of all time, WoW is the most popular MMO of all time, HS is as popular in SA and China as it is in NA and EU. If this isn't "global" what exactly is? Granblue? RoB? Come on now.
>>
>>158840169
Bear in mind for 2 Mordecais you have to take Phantom Dragon.
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>>158840313
Post the golds and legenderies when you are done. Silver and Bronze are really cheap to make
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Man I don't know how serious some of y'all are with this lusting over some 10 year olds feet shit and I hope it's just memeing
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>>158840338
No I meant posting the good booru link, yours gives a 403
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>>158840313
In HS terms, assuming you've played that, you got a rare, 2 epics, and a golden bronze.

So not really.

Devourer of Heavens and Love's Gospel are also awful for their rarity.
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>>158840227
Delete this immediately
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What the shitting fuck

My arena opponent has 3 legendaries
I have none
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>>158840448
Fuck off retard.
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>>158840379
the most popular deck is haven, that's just statistical data.
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>>158840417
>implying dragon is bad
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Whoever makes the next thread, please fix the OP.
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>>158837920
I'd say that you could consider Remi&Rami and Elf Princess of 0 cost fairies honorary class 4 drops, Merlin is a 4 drop but she's a leggo. Would be nice if Wardrobe drained 3 and Playful Necro made 3 ghosts but dunno whetever that'd be a good idea.
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>>158840410
>WoW being anywhere as popular as Dungeon Fighter
>HS and CoD being more popular than MtG and CS
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>>158840356
My point.
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>>158840505
congrats, you now realize arena is 90% luck
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>>158840452
It doesn't for me. Go check your settings.
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>>158840532
Phantom Dragon is terrible in Take Two. Midnight Haunt isn't great either ofc, and as a 1-of Pluto is worse than Mordecai but Pluto is also a fast card and answer where Mordecai isn't, so with 1 Mordecai already I might pick Pluto.

Phantom Dragon is maybe worth considering because you have no 4s and your curve after 4 is pretty bad too though.
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>>158839027
Face Dragon doesn't have the time to play Urd, and anyways your only storm cards in face are Forte and a 2 drop with conditional storm.
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There isn't any difference to skipping the packs and opening them one by one right? Because I swear, I've been opening 10 at a time and using the skip function and I'm just getting the worst fucking rolls. Like 0 legendary rolls.
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>>158840594
I must be really lucky to have a 4 win average ;^)
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>>158838392
Because you won't get to turn 9/10 with Face dragon.
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>>158840684
Skipping has lower odds, actually. Individual opening is x1.5 as bountiful for gold/lego. Check the website for more info.
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>>158840505
>>158840594
Tbh you guys need to git gud after the stream of yesterday i realize how i was shit doing decisions and improved a lot with anons in twitch.

Read guides about tempo,value even mtg guides will help you.
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>>158840782
Holy shit really? WHY would you do this.
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Steam was a mistake
I want a return to the comfy thread
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Fucking elf mirrors.
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>>158840684
Why wouldn't you want to open them 1 by 1. The suspense should kill you every time for each pack
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>>158840782

Wait seriously? Where the fuck is this?
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>>158840743
Nah man, it's because you're such a good player. You pick a class that's good for Arena, you draft cards that are good for Arena. and you play those cards on curve. What a legend you are.

>>158840820
Lmao senpai who are you preaching to here, I'm ex-pro in Yugioh, legend in HS and played Magic at a decent level. I'm just not deluded; draft formats are pretty much just pure luck at the higher level. I'm assuming you're drafting optimally and playing optimally since it's pretty much an easy to fulfill pre-requisite.
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>>158840859
For the same reason you want to rip off a band-aid quickly.
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>>158840853
>being a filthy elf player
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Just got Erasmus

Is he any good?
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>>158840848
me too, I miss dead threads with spam of the same anime art
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>>158841009
He's fun, but not really good
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>>158840918
I hate people who act like draft is a lower tier of ability. It's an attitude common in MtG babbies but it's not true even in MtG. Three legendaries isn't even a big deal in arena, and yet you drop to the 'card rarity/luck' argument on that announcement (or at least agree with it).

The Take Two format in Shadowverse means there are very few cards that will completely win an arena, and it's very hard to draft a deck that will not win any arena.
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>>158841009
Not really, but he's fun and he's fucking Gandalf
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>>158841009
no
which sucks, I like old man rag
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>>158840826
>>158840884
>gullible anons get tricked.mpeg
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>>158841058
>>158841070

Well I'll use him maybe in about four months when I have some other Runecraft cards then
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>AA scrub winning
lol ranking is just a letter
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>>158841097

Goddamn right I'm gullible. I'm about to get involved in another fucking pay2win korean japanese gacha grindfest. All for cute anime girls.
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>>158841205
>Fucking pay2win korean japanese gacha grindfest
This isn't the granblue thread.
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Guess what time it is
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>>158841296
14:45:18
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>>158841068
>I hate people who act like draft is a lower tier of ability.

And I hate people who are seriously deluded enough to think it isn't so. When you can't actually have a real meta to play around, when everything is borderline completely random then there isn't much skill in it. It's like playing chess against randomized pieces with fog of war, if you'll forgive the cliche chess comparison.


I think deck building in a format where there's an actual consistent meta and cards to expect and to tackle is infinitely more skilled than Arena. The actual games themselves are, needless to say, significantly more skilled than just dropping curve followers and trading favorably.


Draft is just nonsense. Once you get over the laughably low "entry barrier" (what to pick, how to play curve/trade) it's pure luck.

It's part of the reason the only interesting drafts are at sneak peeks and such, when there's a new set and the actual drafting takes some skill.
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>>158841296
loli butt time?
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>>158841296
It's High Noon
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1-5 - Urias
6-0 - Priestess bitch
Dubs - Take two

Letz roll.
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What shadowcraft deck can i make with these cards?
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>>158841296
14:46:35 right now.
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How does arena work here? How many times can you lose and how much do you have to win to go infinite?
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>>158841009
Erasmus is what keeps the enemy board clear unless they draw removal, allowing earth to win the game easier, but that rarely happens .
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>>158841369
A meme-range one.
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>>158840848

I can stand people complain about meta, but I hate to see people come in here saying Japanese VA or anime srt style are generic.
Wtf, I love both of these things and the gameplay.
Almost feels like I'm one of the few who can appreciate nice things.

More players is always good though.
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>>158841370
You mean 16:48?
>>
Vampy's leader animations are fucking great compared to the vanilla leaders. How are Mordecai's?
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>>158841459
>Wonderful
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>>158841406
You play 5 games period.
5 wins = 200 gold + pack + random, 150 of which go to a new run.
You have to lose 5 times in a row to get REALLY shit stuff.
Much more forgiving that Hearthstone Arena and gives better rewards for less work, but playing decently at HS arena does pay off more than being a decent SV arena player.
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>>158841406
You play 5 games, however many you win determines your rewards.

4 wins doesnt quite cover the cost, but 5 more than does. If you can average 4 and get a 5 every once in a while you're essentially infinite.
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>>158841296
It's high moon
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>>158841526
5 losses (or rather 0 wins) is one pack ticket. So you stand to lose 50 gold at worst, and gain about 200 at best. It's really not worth the effort unless you like Arena or are a cash hungry trash eater.
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>>158841421
Tell me,what cards do i need to make a meme-range ones
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>>158841336
The argument completely falls apart when you look at e.g. the recently released arena stats for Hearthstone and see how few people perform consistently at the highest level, and that they do perform consistently.

You have your elitist view point, fair enough. I don't feel that any serious analysis of players who draft supports it. It's the way you feel, because of how you play constructed and draft - nothing more than that. I mean, the notion you do not/cannot play around cards in arena and there is no consistent meta in arena/draft formats is flat-out wrong. It's wrong for every game you mentioned there: MtG, Hearthstone and Shadowverse.
>>
Is Forest or Rune the better combo deck?
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>>158841369
Midrange, craft phantom howls and death's breaths as soon as you can though since those are your highest value spells, 3 cerbs 3 Phantom Howls and 3 Death's Breaths are your core, Foul Tempest is your Fairy/Bat/Knight delete button so run like 2 of it. For now just jam cerbs, wight kings, the foul tempest and 2 gabes in and run the staple bronzes and silvers.
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>>158841596
https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/deck/mid-range-shadowcraft

this probably isn't too up to date, the deck is really quite mediocre. just play this and fill the missing high
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I will make a new thread
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>>158841584
>pretty much guaranteed value for gold
>it's not really worth it
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>>158841596
Dont do it. Mid-shadow is shit.
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>>158841656
Forest is better because its not split into two separate archetypes of combo.
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>>158841812
>>158841812
>>158841812
>>158841812
New thread.
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>>158841596
Don't trust any english resource for this, google translate jp sites like
http://game-ai.jp/category/shadowverse/leader-feature/necromancer-deck/
for netdecks.
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>>158841632
>The argument completely falls apart when you look at e.g. the recently released arena stats for Hearthstone and see how few people perform consistently at the highest level, and that they do perform consistently.

You pretty much didn't read my post, did you?

Those people are over the entry barrier. They are going to get 6+ wins guaranteed because they'll feed on those who didn't cross that barrier, I.E the majority, because the majority aren't dedicated Arena player and don't know the basics well enough.

But put your best Arena player in HS (Krip?) in a first to 20 draft against an Arena player that's a tier below him (I.E someone who can consistently get good runs, but not quite as good as Kripp's) and you have absolutely no guarantee he'd win, whereas I can guarantee you without a doubt that Lifecoach or whoever would smash a player that's a tier below him around 15-5 or so.

That's the skill disparity. Basically, low skill ceiling.

> I mean, the notion you do not/cannot play around cards in arena

You can do it. You're just taking gigantic gambles... in other word, luck.

Playing around cards your opponent might have in Arena is a joke - on top of the standard card draw RNG you're taking a HUGE gamble on whether he drafted them, and how many amounts. This MAYBE works for common cards like Hearthstone's Flamestrike, but it pretty much ends there.

But yeah, your attitude isn't new to me. In every game draftfags try to earn some validation, but the proof is in the pudding - nobody cares to properly develop that game mode because there's no competitive potential in it.
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>4/5 games in Take Two are verus the same Erica deck that always has stupid synergy despite """"random""""" draft
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I cant ever seem to get more than 6 Legendaries. This one seems to be my best one yet.
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>>158841904
>(Krip?)
kek
>Playing around cards your opponent might have in Arena is a joke - on top of the standard card draw RNG you're taking a HUGE gamble on whether he drafted them, and how many amounts. This MAYBE works for common cards like Hearthstone's Flamestrike, but it pretty much ends there.
kek

OK dude.
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>>158842058
A terrific rebuttal. Draftfags in a nutshell.
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>>158841696
include /svg/
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>>158842086
This isn't going anywhere man. You're speaking with authority but not only do you evidently lack personal experience, you lack basic information too.

Have fun!
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>>158842146
I'm not retarded.
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<3
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>>158841913
Don't re roll. One more Forte and you'll be hitting the face
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>>158841913
Good roll.
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Should i reroll?
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Should I keep 2x Dark angel Olivia on a Shadowcraft aggro deck?
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>>158844321
>"""aggro"""
>2 9 drops
This nigga.
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>>158835027
7.5k now
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>>158837693
I honest to god forget about demonflame mage. I thought spectral wizard was the 4 drop because that would make so much more sense with the class
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>>158839116
Maybe they didnt wanna bother playing and just wanted the pack
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